Your Body Language May Shape Who You Are | Amy Cuddy | TED

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Translator: Blaž Koritnik Reviewer: Lenka Tušar
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So I want to start by offering you a free no-tech life hack,
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Za začetek vam želim povedati za
življenski trik, ki ne zahteva denarja ali tehnologije.
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and all it requires of you is this:
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Vse, kar morate storiti je,
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that you change your posture for two minutes.
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da spremenite svojo držo za dve minuti
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But before I give it away, I want to ask you to right now
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Preden pa vam povem več, bi vas zdaj prosila,
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do a little audit of your body and what you're doing with your body.
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da ste pozorni na svoje telo in kaj z njim počnete.
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So how many of you are sort of making yourselves smaller?
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Koliko od vas se dela majhne?
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Maybe you're hunching, crossing your legs, maybe wrapping your ankles.
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Morda ste sključeni, imate prekrižane noge
ali pa se oprijemate svojih gležnjev.
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Sometimes we hold onto our arms like this.
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Včasih se držimo za svoje roke takole.
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Sometimes we spread out. (Laughter)
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Včasih pa jih razširimo. (Smeh)
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I see you.
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Vidim vas. (Smeh)
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So I want you to pay attention to what you're doing right now.
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Želim, da ste pozorni, kaj delate sedaj.
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We're going to come back to that in a few minutes,
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Čez nekaj minut se bomo vrnili k temu in upam,
da če boste malce spremenili držo
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and I'm hoping that if you learn to tweak this a little bit,
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it could significantly change the way your life unfolds.
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bi vam to lahko spremenilo vaš potek življenja.
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So, we're really fascinated with body language,
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Res nas zanima telesna govorica
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and we're particularly interested in other people's body language.
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še posebej pa
telesna govorica drugih ljudi.
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You know, we're interested in, like, you know — (Laughter) —
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Saj veste. Zanima nas... (Smeh)
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an awkward interaction, or a smile,
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čudna komunikacija ali pa nasmeh
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or a contemptuous glance, or maybe a very awkward wink,
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zloben pogled, zelo nenavaden pomežik
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or maybe even something like a handshake.
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ali pa morda celo nekaj takega kot stisk roke.
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Narrator: Here they are arriving at Number 10.
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Prihajata do prostorov na Downing Street 10. Poglejte.
Srečni policist se bo rokoval s predsednikom ZDA.
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This lucky policeman gets to shake hands with the President of the United States.
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Se bo tudi premier rokoval?
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Here comes the Prime Minister -- No. (Laughter) (Applause)
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Ne.
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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(Smeh) (Aplavz)
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Amy Cuddy: So a handshake, or the lack of a handshake,
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Če je nekdo nekomu segel v roko ali ne,
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can have us talking for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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se o tem govori tedne in tedne.
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Even the BBC and The New York Times.
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To je lahko novica na BBC-ju in članek v New York Timesu.
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So obviously when we think about nonverbal behavior,
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Ko pomislimo o nebesednem obnašanju ali govorici telesa;
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or body language -- but we call it nonverbals as social scientists --
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sociologi temu rečemo nebesednost
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it's language, so we think about communication.
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to pomeni jezik in pomislimo na komunikacijo.
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When we think about communication, we think about interactions.
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Ko o tem razmišljamo, razmišljamo o odnosih.
Torej, kaj mi pove tvoja govorica telesa?
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So what is your body language communicating to me?
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What's mine communicating to you?
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Kaj moja pove tebi?
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And there's a lot of reason to believe that this is a valid way to look at this.
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Obstaja veliko razlogov, da je to tehten način gledanja na to.
Sociologi so prebili veliko časa
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So social scientists have spent a lot of time
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ob opazovanju učinkov naše telesne govorice
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looking at the effects of our body language,
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ali telesne govorice drugih na presojanje.
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or other people's body language, on judgments.
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And we make sweeping judgments and inferences from body language.
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Iz tega sledijo pomembne odločitve in sklepi,
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And those judgments can predict really meaningful life outcomes
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ki tlakujejo pot nadaljnjemu življenju, naprimer
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like who we hire or promote, who we ask out on a date.
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koga bomo najeli ali povišali, koga bomo povabili na zmenek.
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For example, Nalini Ambady, a researcher at Tufts University,
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Nalini Ambady, raziskovalec na Univerzi Tufts
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shows that when people watch 30-second soundless clips
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je dokazal, da ko so ljudje gledali 30-sekundne neme videoposnetke,
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of real physician-patient interactions,
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ki so prikazovali odnose med bolnikom in zdravnikom
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their judgments of the physician's niceness
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so njihove presoje, koliko je bil zdravnik prijazen pokazale
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predict whether or not that physician will be sued.
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ali bo dotičnega zdravnika doletela tožba.
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So it doesn't have to do so much
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Tako ni bistvo v tem,
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with whether or not that physician was incompetent,
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ali je zdravnik nesposoben ampak ali nam je oseba všeč
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but do we like that person and how they interacted?
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in kako se je obnašala.
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Even more dramatic, Alex Todorov at Princeton
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Še bolj spektakularno je to, da je Alex Todorov iz Univerze Princeton dokazal,
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has shown us that judgments of political candidates' faces
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da je presoja obrazov političnih kandidatov v eni sekundi
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in just one second predict 70 percent
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pravilno napovedala 70% izidov volitev
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of U.S. Senate and gubernatorial race outcomes,
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za ameriške senatorje in guvernerje.
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and even, let's go digital,
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Če pogledamo v digitalni svet,
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emoticons used well in online negotiations
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smeški, uporabljeni ob pravem času pri pogovoru prek spleta
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can lead you to claim more value from that negotiation.
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vam lahko prinesejo veliko koristi iz njega.
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If you use them poorly, bad idea. Right?
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Če jih nespretno uporabite, je to slabo.
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So when we think of nonverbals, we think of how we judge others,
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Kar se tiče nebesednosti, pomislimo, kako presojamo druge,
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how they judge us and what the outcomes are.
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kako drugi presojajo nas in kakšni so rezultati.
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We tend to forget, though, the other audience
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Ampak radi pozabljamo,
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that's influenced by our nonverbals, and that's ourselves.
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da nebesednost vpliva tudi na nas.
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We are also influenced by our nonverbals,
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Nebesednost vpliva na naše misli,
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our thoughts and our feelings and our physiology.
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čustva in fiziologijo.
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So what nonverbals am I talking about?
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O katerih elementih nebesednosti sploh govorim?
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I'm a social psychologist. I study prejudice,
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Sem socialna psihologinja. Preučujem predsodke
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and I teach at a competitive business school,
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in poučujem v tekmovalni poslovni šoli,
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so it was inevitable that I would become interested in power dynamics.
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zato je bilo neizogibno, da sem se začela zanimati za dinamiko moči.
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I became especially interested in nonverbal expressions
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Še posebej so me pritegnili nebesedni izrazi
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of power and dominance.
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moči in prevlade.
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And what are nonverbal expressions of power and dominance?
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Kateri izrazi so to?
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Well, this is what they are.
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To so tile.
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So in the animal kingdom, they are about expanding.
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V kraljestvu živali je srž razširjanje.
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So you make yourself big, you stretch out,
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Naredite se velike, raztegnite se,
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you take up space, you're basically opening up.
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zavzemate prostor, odpirate se.
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It's about opening up.
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Bistvo je v odpiranju.
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And this is true across the animal kingdom.
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To velja v živalskem kraljestvu in tega ne znajo samo primati.
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It's not just limited to primates.
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Ljudje delamo isto. (Smeh)
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And humans do the same thing. (Laughter)
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So they do this both when they have power sort of chronically,
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To se počne, ko ima nekdo moč dalj časa
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and also when they're feeling powerful in the moment.
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ali samo v danem trenutku.
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And this one is especially interesting because it really shows us
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To je še kako zanimivo, ker nam kaže,
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how universal and old these expressions of power are.
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kako univerzalni in stari so ti izrazi moči.
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This expression, which is known as pride,
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Takle izraz, ki ga poznamo kot ponos,
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Jessica Tracy has studied.
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je bil predmet študije Jessice Tracy.
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She shows that people who are born with sight
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Dokazala je, da tako tisti, ki vidijo
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and people who are congenitally blind do this
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in tisti, ki so se rodili slepi
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when they win at a physical competition.
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naredijo enako gestikulacijo, ko zmagajo na atletskem tekmovanju.
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So when they cross the finish line and they've won,
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Ko prečkajo ciljno črto in zmagajo
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it doesn't matter if they've never seen anyone do it.
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ni važno, če slepi niso videli nikogar drugega, ki bi to naredil.
Še zmeraj storijo to.
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They do this.
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Roke so dvignjene v črko 'V', brada je rahlo privzdignjena.
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So the arms up in the V, the chin is slightly lifted.
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What do we do when we feel powerless?
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Kaj storimo, ko se počutimo brezmočne?
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We do exactly the opposite.
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Storimo nasprotno. Zapremo se kot v klobčič.
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We close up. We wrap ourselves up.
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We make ourselves small.
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Naredimo se majhne. Nočemo trčiti v osebo zraven nas.
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We don't want to bump into the person next to us.
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So again, both animals and humans do the same thing.
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Ponovno, živali in ljudje se obnašajo isto.
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And this is what happens when you put together high and low power.
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To se zgodi, ko sta velika in majhna moč skupaj.
Nagnjeni smo k temu,
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So what we tend to do when it comes to power
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da ko se gre o moči, dopolnjujemo nebesednost drugih.
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is that we complement the other's nonverbals.
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So if someone is being really powerful with us,
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Torej, če nekdo razkazuje moč pred nami
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we tend to make ourselves smaller. We don't mirror them.
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se naredimo majhne. Ne oponašamo jih.
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We do the opposite of them.
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Naredimo ravno nasprotno od njih.
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So I'm watching this behavior in the classroom,
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Opazovala sem obnašanje v razredu in kaj sem zapazila?
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and what do I notice?
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Študenti poslovne administracije
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I notice that MBA students really exhibit the full range of power nonverbals.
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pokažejo poln razpon prikazov moči.
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So you have people who are like caricatures of alphas,
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Tako obstajajo karikature alfa ljudi,
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really coming into the room, they get right into the middle of the room
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ki vstopijo samozavestno in gredo na sredino predavalnice,
pred začetkom ure in hočejo zasesti prostor.
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before class even starts, like they really want to occupy space.
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When they sit down, they're sort of spread out.
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Ko se usedejo, so razpotegnjeni.
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They raise their hands like this.
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Dvigujejo roko takole.
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You have other people who are virtually collapsing
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Na drugi strani imate ljudi, ki se bodo malodane zrušili na tla,
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when they come in. As soon they come in, you see it.
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ko vstopijo v učilnico. Takoj se vidi.
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You see it on their faces and their bodies,
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Pozna se jim na obrazu in telesu.
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and they sit in their chair and they make themselves tiny,
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Sedijo na stolu in se delajo majhne,
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and they go like this when they raise their hand.
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dvigujejo roko takole.
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I notice a couple of things about this.
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Opazila sem par stvari.
Ne boste ravno presenečeni.
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One, you're not going to be surprised.
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It seems to be related to gender.
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Videti je, da se to nanaša na spol.
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So women are much more likely to do this kind of thing than men.
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Ženske pogosteje to počnejo od moških.
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Women feel chronically less powerful than men,
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Kronično se počutijo šibkejše od moških,
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so this is not surprising.
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tako da to ni presenetljivo. Sem pa zapazila še nekaj.
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But the other thing I noticed
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is that it also seemed to be related to the extent
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Zdi se, da obstaja povezava s tem,
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to which the students were participating, and how well they were participating.
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koliko in kako so študenti sodelovali na urah.
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And this is really important in the MBA classroom,
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To je zelo pomembno pri predmetu menedžmenta,
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because participation counts for half the grade.
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kajti sodelovanje prinaša pol ocene.
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So business schools have been struggling with this gender grade gap.
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Poslovne šole se spopadajo s problemom razlik med ocenami obeh spolov.
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You get these equally qualified women and men coming in
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Pred sabo imate enako sposobne ljudi,
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and then you get these differences in grades,
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vidijo se razlike med ocenami
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and it seems to be partly attributable to participation.
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in možno je, da je delni vzrok sodelovanje.
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So I started to wonder, you know, okay,
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Začela sem se spraševati,
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so you have these people coming in like this, and they're participating.
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v redu, imam študente v učilnici, ki sodelujejo.
Je možno, da jih pripravim do tega, da začenjajo hliniti
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Is it possible that we could get people to fake it
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07:00
and would it lead them to participate more?
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in bodo tako bolj sodelovali?
Tako pravi moja glavna sodelavka Dana Carney z Univerze Berkeley.
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So my main collaborator Dana Carney, who's at Berkeley,
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and I really wanted to know, can you fake it till you make it?
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Hotela sem vedeti, ali lahko hliniš, dokler ne uspeš?
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Like, can you do this just for a little while
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Lahko delaš to nekaj časa
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and actually experience a behavioral outcome
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in dejansko izkusiš rezultate obnašanja, ki te dela močnega?
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that makes you seem more powerful?
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So we know that our nonverbals govern how other people
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Vemo, da nebesednost določa, kaj bodo drugi ljudje
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think and feel about us. There's a lot of evidence.
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mislili in čutili do nas. Dokazov je veliko.
Resnično vprašanje, ki se poraja pa je,
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But our question really was,
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do our nonverbals govern how we think and feel about ourselves?
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ali nebesednost določa, kaj mislimo in čutimo do sebe?
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There's some evidence that they do.
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Nekaj dokazov to portrjuje.
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So, for example, we smile when we feel happy,
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Naprimer, ko smo veseli, se nasmejemo.
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but also, when we're forced to smile
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Tudi ko se silimo smejati tako da držimo pero z zobmi
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by holding a pen in our teeth like this, it makes us feel happy.
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nas to dela vesele.
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So it goes both ways.
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Učinek je obojestranski. Ko govorimo o moči, je isto.
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When it comes to power, it also goes both ways.
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Ko se počutite močne,
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So when you feel powerful,
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you're more likely to do this,
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boste nagnjeni večkrat narediti to, toda možno je tudi,
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but it's also possible that when you pretend to be powerful,
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da ko se pretvarjate, da ste močni,
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you are more likely to actually feel powerful.
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boste to tudi občutili.
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So the second question really was, you know,
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Drugo vprašanje je bilo,
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so we know that our minds change our bodies,
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vemo, da naš um spreminja naše telo
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but is it also true that our bodies change our minds?
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toda ali je tudi res, da telo spreminja um?
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And when I say minds, in the case of the powerful,
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Ko mislim um, v primeru močnih,
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what am I talking about?
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o čem pravzaprav govorim?
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So I'm talking about thoughts and feelings
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Govorim o mislih in občutkih
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and the sort of physiological things that make up our thoughts and feelings,
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ter fizioloških stvareh, ki sprožajo misli in občutke.
V mojem primeru so to hormoni. Raziskujem jih.
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and in my case, that's hormones. I look at hormones.
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So what do the minds of the powerful versus the powerless look like?
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Kako izgleda um močne osebe
v primerjavi s šibkejšo?
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So powerful people tend to be, not surprisingly,
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Močnejši ljudje težijo
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more assertive and more confident, more optimistic.
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k jasnejšemu, samozavestnejšemu in bolj optimističnemu obnašanju, kar ni presentljivo.
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They actually feel they're going to win even at games of chance.
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Dejansko čutijo, da bodo zmagali celo pri igrah na srečo.
Bolj so tudi nagnjeni k abstraktnejšemu mišljenju.
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They also tend to be able to think more abstractly.
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08:45
So there are a lot of differences. They take more risks.
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Veliko je razlik. Veliko tvegajo.
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There are a lot of differences between powerful and powerless people.
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Močni in šibki se zelo razlikujejo.
Gledano s psihološkega vidika, obstajajo tudi razlike
08:51
Physiologically, there also are differences
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on two key hormones: testosterone, which is the dominance hormone,
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v dveh ključnih hormonih: testosteronu, hormonu dominance
08:57
and cortisol, which is the stress hormone.
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in kortizolu, stresnemu hormonu.
09:01
So what we find is that high-power alpha males in primate hierarchies
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Kar smo odkrili je,
da imajo močni alfa samci v hiearhiji primatov
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have high testosterone and low cortisol,
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visoko raven testosterona in nizko raven kortizola.
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and powerful and effective leaders
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Tudi močni in učinkoviti voditelji
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also have high testosterone and low cortisol.
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imajo več testosterona kot kortizola.
09:17
So what does that mean? When you think about power,
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Kaj to pomeni? Ko pomislite na moč,
09:20
people tended to think only about testosterone,
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imajo ljudje v mislih testosteron,
09:22
because that was about dominance.
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ker le-ta nakazuje dominanco.
09:24
But really, power is also about how you react to stress.
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Moč se v resnici odraža tudi v tem, kako reagirate na stres.
09:27
So do you want the high-power leader that's dominant,
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Bi hoteli močnega, dominantnega vodjo,
09:30
high on testosterone, but really stress reactive?
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ki poka od testosterona, hkrati pa občutljiv na stres?
09:33
Probably not, right?
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Ne bi, kajne? Hoteli bi osebo,
09:35
You want the person who's powerful and assertive and dominant,
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ki je močna, samozavestna, dominantna
09:38
but not very stress reactive, the person who's laid back.
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in umirjena ter ne preveč občutljiva na stres.
09:41
So we know that in primate hierarchies,
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V hierarhiji primatov,
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if an alpha needs to take over,
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če hoče alfa samec prevzeti pobudo,
09:50
if an individual needs to take over an alpha role sort of suddenly,
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če hoče osebek naenkrat prevzeti vlogo alfe
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within a few days, that individual's testosterone has gone up
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v parih dneh, se raven testosterona občutno zviša,
09:57
significantly and his cortisol has dropped significantly.
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hkrati pa se nivo korizola občutno zmanjša.
10:01
So we have this evidence, both that the body can shape
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Imamo dokaz. Telo lahko oblikuje um,
10:04
the mind, at least at the facial level,
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kar se pozna vsaj na obrazni mimiki
10:06
and also that role changes can shape the mind.
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in da menjave vlog spreminjajo um.
10:10
So what happens, okay, you take a role change,
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Kaj se zgodi ob menjavi vloge,
10:13
what happens if you do that at a really minimal level,
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četudi je sprememba majhna,
10:15
like this tiny manipulation, this tiny intervention?
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kot naprimer malo manipulacije, malo posega?
10:18
"For two minutes," you say, "I want you to stand like this,
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Rečete: "Za dve minuti hočem, da stojite takole
10:21
and it's going to make you feel more powerful."
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in to vas bo napravilo močnejše."
10:23
So this is what we did.
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To smo storili. Odločili smo se,
10:26
We decided to bring people into the lab and run a little experiment,
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da bomo naredili eksperiment in ti ljudje
10:31
and these people adopted, for two minutes,
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so bili v držah dominance ali podrejenosti za dve minuti.
10:34
either high-power poses or low-power poses,
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Pokazala vam bom pet primerov,
10:38
and I'm just going to show you five of the poses,
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čeravno sta bili drži samo dve.
10:40
although they took on only two.
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10:42
So here's one.
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Tu je ena.
Še nekaj.
10:45
A couple more.
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Tej drži so mediji
10:47
This one has been dubbed the "Wonder Woman" by the media.
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nadeli vzdevek "Super ženska".
10:51
Here are a couple more.
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Tukaj jih je še malo.
10:53
So you can be standing or you can be sitting.
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Lahko so stali ali sedeli.
10:55
And here are the low-power poses.
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Tu pa so drže podrejenosti.
10:57
So you're folding up, you're making yourself small.
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Zaprete se, delate se majhne.
11:01
This one is very low-power.
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Ta izraža izredno podrejenost.
11:03
When you're touching your neck, you're really protecting yourself.
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Ko se dotikate svojega vratu,
se zelo ščitite.
11:07
So this is what happens.
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Zgodi se tole.
11:09
They come in, they spit into a vial,
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Vstopijo, pljunejo v stekleničko
11:11
for two minutes, we say, "You need to do this or this."
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in jim rečemo, da morajo za dve minuti početi to in to.
11:14
They don't look at pictures of the poses.
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Niso videli slik drž. Nismo jih hoteli pripraviti na koncept moči.
11:16
We don't want to prime them with a concept of power.
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Hoteli smo, da se čutijo močne.
11:19
We want them to be feeling power.
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Dve minuti so počeli to.
11:21
So two minutes they do this.
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11:22
We then ask them, "How powerful do you feel?" on a series of items,
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Vprašali smo jih, koliko močne so počutijo v več situacijah
11:25
and then we give them an opportunity to gamble,
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in potem smo jim dali možnost, da tvegajo.
11:28
and then we take another saliva sample.
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Še enkrat smo jim vzeli vzorec sline.
11:30
That's it. That's the whole experiment.
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To je bil cel ekspreriment, nič več.
11:32
So this is what we find.
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Ugotovili smo sledeče. Toleranca tveganja, kar je izzivanje sreče, se poveča.
11:34
Risk tolerance, which is the gambling,
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11:36
we find that when you are in the high-power pose condition,
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Ko ste v pozi moči,
86% ljudi bo tvegalo.
11:40
86 percent of you will gamble.
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11:42
When you're in the low-power pose condition,
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Ko ste v pozi podrejenosti,
11:44
only 60 percent, and that's a whopping significant difference.
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pa samo 60%. Velika razlika.
11:48
Here's what we find on testosterone.
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Pri testosteronu smo ugotovili,
11:51
From their baseline when they come in,
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da se pri dominantnih ljudeh
11:53
high-power people experience about a 20-percent increase,
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poveča za 20%,
11:56
and low-power people experience about a 10-percent decrease.
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pri podrejenih pa se zmanjša za 10%.
12:01
So again, two minutes, and you get these changes.
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Ponavljam, to se je zgodilo v roku dveh minut.
12:04
Here's what you get on cortisol.
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Kaj pa kortizol?
12:06
High-power people experience about a 25-percent decrease,
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Pri dominantnih se zniža za 25%,
12:10
and the low-power people experience about a 15-percent increase.
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pri podrejenih pa se zviša za 15%.
12:14
So two minutes lead to these hormonal changes
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Dve minuti sta privedli do teh sprememb pri hormonih,
12:17
that configure your brain
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ki povejo vašim možganom,
12:18
to basically be either assertive, confident and comfortable,
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da ste odločni, samozavestni in prijetnega počutja
12:23
or really stress-reactive, and feeling sort of shut down.
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oziroma zelo občutljivi na stres ter se počutite nekako mrtvo.
Vsi smo imeli take občutke.
12:28
And we've all had the feeling, right?
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12:30
So it seems that our nonverbals do govern how we think and feel about ourselves,
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Zgleda, da nebesedna komunikacija obvladuje
naša mnenja in občutke, ki jih gojimo o sebi.
12:36
so it's not just others, but it's also ourselves.
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To delajo tako drugi ljudje kot tudi mi sami.
12:38
Also, our bodies change our minds.
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Tudi naša telesa oblikujejo naš um.
12:40
But the next question, of course,
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Seveda, naslednje vprašanje pa je
12:43
is, can power posing for a few minutes
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ali se nam lahko obeta pomemben zasuk v življenju,
če smo za nekaj minut v drži dominance?
12:45
really change your life in meaningful ways?
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12:47
This is in the lab, it's this little task, it's just a couple of minutes.
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Bilo je v laboratoriju. Bil je samo kratek eksperiment,
ki je trajal par minut. Kje bi se to dalo uporabiti
12:51
Where can you actually apply this?
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v resničnem življenju? To nas je zanimalo.
12:53
Which we cared about, of course.
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12:55
And so we think where you want to use this is evaluative situations,
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Zdi se nam pomembno, da se to uporablja,
ko ocenjujemo situacije,
13:01
like social threat situations.
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naprimer pri družbenih grožnjah, kjer vas ocenjujejo vaši prijatelji.
13:04
Where are you being evaluated, either by your friends?
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Pri najstnikih se to dogaja v šolski jedilnici.
13:07
For teenagers, it's at the lunchroom table.
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13:09
For some people it's speaking at a school board meeting.
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Za nekatere je to govor
na sestanku šolskega sveta. Lahko pri metanju žoge,
13:13
It might be giving a pitch or giving a talk like this
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govornem nastopu kot je tale
13:17
or doing a job interview.
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ali pri razgovoru za službo.
13:19
We decided that the one that most people could relate to
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Odločili smo se, da bi se večina ljudi lahko poistovetila
13:22
because most people had been through, was the job interview.
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z razgovorom za službo,
ker jih je največ imelo to izkušnjo.
13:25
So we published these findings,
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Javnosti smo predstavili ugotovitve in naleteli smo na velik odziv pri medijih.
13:28
and the media are all over it,
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13:29
and they say, Okay, so this is what you do
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Vprašali so nas: "Takole moramo narediti,
preden gremo na razgovor za službo, kajne?" (Smeh)
13:32
when you go in for the job interview, right?
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13:34
(Laughter)
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Seveda smo bili zaprepadeni in smo rekli:
13:35
You know, so we were of course horrified, and said,
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13:37
Oh my God, no, that's not what we meant at all.
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"O moj Bog, ne! Nismo mislili tega."
13:39
For numerous reasons, no, don't do that.
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Zaradi večih razlogov, tega nikar ne počnite.
13:42
Again, this is not about you talking to other people.
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Ponavljam, ne gre se za pogovor z drugimi.
13:44
It's you talking to yourself.
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Gre se za pogovor s seboj.
13:46
What do you do before you go into a job interview? You do this.
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Kaj naredite, preden greste na razgovor za službo?
13:49
You're sitting down. You're looking at your iPhone --
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Naredite to. Usedete se, ne? Gledate v svoj pametni telefon
da ne bi koga izpustili.
13:52
or your Android, not trying to leave anyone out.
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13:54
You're looking at your notes,
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Gledate svoje zapiske,
13:56
you're hunching up, making yourself small,
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grbančite se, delate se majhne.
13:58
when really what you should be doing maybe is this,
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V resnici bi morali delati drže moči v kopalnici.
14:00
like, in the bathroom, right? Do that. Find two minutes.
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Počnite to. Vzemite si dve minuti.
14:03
So that's what we want to test. Okay?
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To smo hoteli preizkusiti.
14:05
So we bring people into a lab,
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Imeli smo ljudi v laboratoriju,
14:07
and they do either high- or low-power poses again,
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kjer so delali ali dominantne ali podrejene drže
14:10
they go through a very stressful job interview.
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in dali so skozi zelo stresen razgovor za službo.
14:13
It's five minutes long. They are being recorded.
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Bil je pet minut dolg. Bili so snemani.
14:16
They're being judged also,
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Tudi ocenjevali so jih.
14:18
and the judges are trained to give no nonverbal feedback,
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Komisija je bila taka, da niso z nebesedno komunikacijo dali povratnih informacij.
14:23
so they look like this.
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Izgledali so takole.
14:25
Imagine this is the person interviewing you.
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Predstavljajte si, da vas sprašuje taka oseba.
14:27
So for five minutes, nothing, and this is worse than being heckled.
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Trajalo je pet minut in to je huje, kot če bi vas prekinjali.
14:31
People hate this.
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Ljudje to sovražijo. Marrianne LaFrance temu pravi
14:33
It's what Marianne LaFrance calls "standing in social quicksand."
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"stati v družbenem živem pesku."
14:37
So this really spikes your cortisol.
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To poviša raven kortizola.
14:39
So this is the job interview we put them through,
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Ker smo hoteli videti, kaj se zgodi,
smo jih poslali na tak razgovor.
14:41
because we really wanted to see what happened.
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14:43
We then have these coders look at these tapes, four of them.
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Potem smo šifrantom dali štiri posnetke.
14:46
They're blind to the hypothesis. They're blind to the conditions.
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Niso poznali hipoteze in pogojev,
14:49
They have no idea who's been posing in what pose,
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niso vedeli, kdo je stal v kakšni drži.
14:52
and they end up looking at these sets of tapes,
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Pregledovali so posnetke
14:57
and they say, "We want to hire these people,"
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in so rekli, da bi radi najeli nekatere ljudi,
tiste z držami dominance, nekaterih pa ne.
15:00
all the high-power posers.
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15:01
"We don't want to hire these people.
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15:03
We also evaluate these people much more positively overall."
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Prav tako so dominantne na splošno ocenili bolje.
Kaj je merilo? Ni vsebina govora,
15:07
But what's driving it?
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15:08
It's not about the content of the speech.
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15:10
It's about the presence that they're bringing to the speech.
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ampak navzočnost, dodano k njemu.
15:13
Because we rate them on all these variables
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Ocenjujemo jih tudi po večih spremenljivkah,
povezane s kompetenco kot naprimer, kako dobro je govor sestavljen.
15:16
related to competence, like, how well-structured is the speech?
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Kako dober je? Kakšne so sposobnosti kandidatov?
15:19
How good is it? What are their qualifications?
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Ni vpliva na take stvari. Vplivalo pa je na tole.
15:22
No effect on those things. This is what's affected.
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15:24
These kinds of things.
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Ljudje prikažejo svojo pravo sliko.
15:26
People are bringing their true selves, basically.
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15:28
They're bringing themselves.
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Prikažejo same sebe.
Imajo svoje ideje,
15:30
They bring their ideas, but as themselves,
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15:32
with no, you know, residue over them.
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samo podajo jih kot oni sami brez svojih "mask".
15:34
So this is what's driving the effect, or mediating the effect.
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To vodi oziroma posreduje vpliv.
15:39
So when I tell people about this,
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Ko o tem pripovedujem ljudem,
15:42
that our bodies change our minds and our minds can change our behavior,
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da naša telesa spreminjajo naš um in le-ta spreminja naše obnašanje
ter slednje lahko spremeni izide.
15:46
and our behavior can change our outcomes, they say to me,
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Odvrnejo mi: "Zdi se mi lažno."
15:49
"It feels fake." Right?
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15:50
So I said, fake it till you make it.
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Rekla sem, da hlinite dokler vam ne uspe. Ampak to nisem jaz.
15:52
It's not me.
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15:54
I don't want to get there and then still feel like a fraud.
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Nočem iti tja in se počutiti kot nek prevarant.
15:57
I don't want to feel like an impostor.
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Nočem se počutiti kot slepar.
15:59
I don't want to get there only to feel like I'm not supposed to be here.
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Nočem se počutiti kot da ne spadam semkaj.
16:03
And that really resonated with me,
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To mi je resnično veliko pomenilo,
16:05
because I want to tell you a little story about being an impostor
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zato ker bi vam rada povedala zgodbico
o sleparstvu in občutku, da ne spadaš sem.
16:08
and feeling like I'm not supposed to be here.
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16:11
When I was 19, I was in a really bad car accident.
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Ko sem imela 19 let, sem doživela hudo prometno nesrečo.
16:14
I was thrown out of a car, rolled several times.
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Vrglo me je iz avtomobila. Nekajkrat sem se zakotalila.
16:17
I was thrown from the car.
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Zbudila sem se z poškodbami glave na intenzivni negi.
16:19
And I woke up in a head injury rehab ward,
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Izpisali so me iz kolidža
16:22
and I had been withdrawn from college,
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16:24
and I learned that my IQ had dropped by two standard deviations,
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in izvedela sem, da je moj IQ padel za dva standardna odklona,
16:30
which was very traumatic.
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kar je bilo zelo pretresljivo.
16:32
I knew my IQ because I had identified with being smart,
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Vedela sem, kolikšen je moj IQ, ker sem ga enačila s pametjo
16:35
and I had been called gifted as a child.
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in ko sem bila otrok, so me imeli za nadarjeno.
16:37
So I'm taken out of college, I keep trying to go back.
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Bila sem izpisana iz kolidža. Skušala sem se vrniti nazaj.
16:41
They say, "You're not going to finish college.
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Rekli so mi, da ga ne bom mogla dokončati,
da so tudi druge stvari, ki jih lahko počnem,
16:43
Just, you know, there are other things for you to do,
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16:45
but that's not going to work out for you."
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ampak kolidž ni zame.
16:47
So I really struggled with this, and I have to say,
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To je bil hud napor.
16:51
having your identity taken from you, your core identity,
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Moram reči, da je odvzem lastne temeljne identitete,
16:54
and for me it was being smart,
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zame je pomenila to, da sem pametna,
16:56
having that taken from you,
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najhujša stvar, ki te lahko pusti nemočnega.
16:57
there's nothing that leaves you feeling more powerless than that.
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17:00
So I felt entirely powerless.
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V celoti sem se tako počutila. Trudila sem se in trudila,
17:02
I worked and worked, and I got lucky,
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nasmehnila se mi je sreča, se trudila, zopet imela srečo in se trudila.
17:04
and worked, and got lucky, and worked.
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17:06
Eventually I graduated from college.
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Sčasoma sem končala kolidž.
17:08
It took me four years longer than my peers,
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Trajalo je 4 leta več, kolikor so rabili moji vrstniki.
17:10
and I convinced someone, my angel advisor, Susan Fiske,
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Prepričala sem Susan Fiske, mojo prečudovito svetovalko,
17:15
to take me on, and so I ended up at Princeton,
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naj me sprejme, pristala na Princetonu
17:17
and I was like, I am not supposed to be here.
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in počutila sem se, da ne spadam tja.
17:20
I am an impostor.
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Imela sem se za sleparko.
17:22
And the night before my first-year talk,
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Noč pred mojim govorom v prvem letniku.
Morala sem govoriti 20 minut pred 20 ljudmi.
17:24
and the first-year talk at Princeton is a 20-minute talk to 20 people.
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Samo to.
17:27
That's it.
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17:28
I was so afraid of being found out the next day
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Tako sem se bala, da me bodo razkrinkali jutri,
17:31
that I called her and said, "I'm quitting."
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da sem poklicala Susan in ji rekla: "Odnehala bom."
17:34
She was like, "You are not quitting,
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Odvrnila mi je: "Ne, ne boš odnehala,
17:35
because I took a gamble on you, and you're staying.
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ker sem stavila nate.
17:38
You're going to stay, and this is what you're going to do.
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Ostala boš in opravila boš s tem govorom.
Hlinila boš.
17:41
You are going to fake it.
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17:42
You're going to do every talk that you ever get asked to do.
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Opravila boš vsak govorni nastop, ki se zahteva.
17:45
You're just going to do it and do it and do it,
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Imela boš same govore,
četudi boš okamnela od strahu
17:48
even if you're terrified and just paralyzed
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17:50
and having an out-of-body experience,
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in imela izventelesno izkušnjo, dokler ne bo napočil trenutek,
17:52
until you have this moment where you say, 'Oh my gosh, I'm doing it.
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ko boš rekla: 'To dejansko počnem.
17:56
Like, I have become this. I am actually doing this.'"
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Postala sem eno s tem. Dejansko to počnem.' "
17:59
So that's what I did.
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In to sem storila. 5 let sem prebila na podiplomskem študiju,
18:00
Five years in grad school,
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18:01
a few years, you know, I'm at Northwestern,
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potem sem prebila nekaj let na univerzi Northwestern
18:03
I moved to Harvard, I'm at Harvard,
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in nazadnje na Harvardu. Tam več ne mislim na to,
18:05
I'm not really thinking about it anymore, but for a long time I had been thinking,
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prej pa sem dolgo časa,
18:09
"Not supposed to be here."
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da ne spadam tu.
18:11
So at the end of my first year at Harvard,
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Na koncu prvega leta na Harvardu
18:14
a student who had not talked in class the entire semester,
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je študentka, ki ni spregovorila besede med urami cel semester
18:18
who I had said, "Look, you've gotta participate or else you're going to fail,"
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in sem ji rekla, da ne bo naredila predmeta, če ne bo sodelovala,
18:22
came into my office. I really didn't know her at all.
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prišla v moj kabinet. Nisem je poznala.
Videti je bila kot poraženka in je rekla:
18:25
She came in totally defeated, and she said,
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18:28
"I'm not supposed to be here."
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"Ne spadam sem."
To je bil moj trenutek. Zgodili sta se dve stvari.
18:35
And that was the moment for me.
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18:37
Because two things happened.
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18:38
One was that I realized,
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Najprej sem spoznala,
18:40
oh my gosh, I don't feel like that anymore.
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da tega občutka nimam več.
18:43
I don't feel that anymore, but she does, and I get that feeling.
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Tako več ne čutim, ona pa in jo razumem.
18:46
And the second was, she is supposed to be here!
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Druga stvar je bila ta, da je spadala tja.
18:48
Like, she can fake it, she can become it.
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Lahko hlini in lahko postane eno s tistim.
18:50
So I was like, "Yes, you are! You are supposed to be here!
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Rekla sem ji: "Ni res. Spadaš sem!
18:54
And tomorrow you're going to fake it,
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Jutri se boš pretvarjala,
naredila se boš močno
18:56
you're going to make yourself powerful, and, you know --
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18:58
(Applause)
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in boš ... (Aplavz)
(Aplavz)
"Prišla boš v predavalnico
19:04
And you're going to go into the classroom,
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19:08
and you are going to give the best comment ever."
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in izjavila najboljši komentar, kar jih je bilo."
19:10
You know? And she gave the best comment ever,
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To je tudi storila,
19:13
and people turned around and were like,
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ljudje so se ozrli
in imeli reakcijo, kot da so jo prvič opazili, da tam sedi. (Smeh)
19:15
oh my God, I didn't even notice her sitting there. (Laughter)
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Čez nekaj mesecev je zopet prišla k meni
19:18
She comes back to me months later,
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19:20
and I realized that she had not just faked it till she made it,
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in ne samo, da je hlinila, dokler ji ni uspelo
19:23
she had actually faked it till she became it.
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ampak je hlinila, dokler ni postala eno s stvarjo.
19:25
So she had changed.
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Spremenila se je.
19:27
And so I want to say to you, don't fake it till you make it.
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Tako vam hočem povedati, da ne hlinite, dokler vam ne uspe.
19:31
Fake it till you become it.
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Hlinite, dokler ne postanete eno s stvarjo.
19:34
Do it enough until you actually become it and internalize.
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Dovolj časa to počnite, da jo ponotranjite.
19:38
The last thing I'm going to leave you with is this.
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Še zadnja reč.
19:40
Tiny tweaks can lead to big changes.
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Majhni popravki lahko vodijo do velikih reči.
19:45
So, this is two minutes.
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To sta dve minuti.
19:47
Two minutes, two minutes, two minutes.
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Dve minuti, dve minuti, dve minuti.
19:49
Before you go into the next stressful evaluative situation,
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Preden se boste znašli v naslednji stresni ocenjevalni situaciji,
19:52
for two minutes, try doing this, in the elevator,
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poskusite delati to za dve minuti v dvigalu,
19:55
in a bathroom stall, at your desk behind closed doors.
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na stranišču, za zaprtimi vrati za svojo mizo.
19:58
That's what you want to do.
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To hočete početi. Naravnajte svoje možgane,
20:00
Configure your brain to cope the best in that situation.
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da se boste najbolje odrezali v dani situaciji.
20:03
Get your testosterone up. Get your cortisol down.
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Povišajte testosteron, znižajte kortizol.
20:05
Don't leave that situation feeling like, oh, I didn't show them who I am.
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Ne dovolite si občutka, da niste pokazali svoji pravih barv.
20:09
Leave that situation feeling like,
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Bolje bo, če boste imeli občutek,
20:11
I really feel like I got to say who I am and show who I am.
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da ste znali reči, kdo ste in kaj zmorete.
20:14
So I want to ask you first, you know, both to try power posing,
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Rada bi vas najprej prosila,
da poskusite z držami dominance
20:20
and also I want to ask you to share the science, because this is simple.
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prav tako pa bi vas prosila,
da delite to znanje, ker ni težko.
20:25
I don't have ego involved in this. (Laughter)
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Moj ego v to ni vpleten. (Smeh)
20:27
Give it away. Share it with people,
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Povejte naprej, delite z ostalimi,
20:29
because the people who can use it the most
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kajti ravno tisti
20:31
are the ones with no resources and no technology
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brez tehnologije, dobrin,
20:35
and no status and no power.
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statusa in moči to najbolj potrebujejo.
20:37
Give it to them because they can do it in private.
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Povejte jim, zato ker to lahko počnejo na samem.
Rabijo svoje telo, dve minuti in zasebnost.
20:40
They need their bodies, privacy and two minutes,
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20:42
and it can significantly change the outcomes of their life.
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Lahko doživijo drugačne rezultate v svojem življenju.
20:45
Thank you.
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Hvala. (Aplavz)
20:46
(Applause)
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(Aplavz)
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