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翻译人员: Bowen Yang
校对人员: Xu Jiang
那我就这么开始吧:
00:16
So, I'll start with this: a couple
years ago, an event planner called me
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几年前,一个活动策划人打电话给我,
因为我当时要做一个演讲。
00:20
because I was going
to do a speaking event.
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她在电话里说:
00:22
And she called, and she said,
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“我真很苦恼该如何在宣传单上
00:24
"I'm really struggling with how
to write about you on the little flyer."
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介绍你。”
00:27
And I thought,
"Well, what's the struggle?"
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我心想,怎么会苦恼呢?
她继续道:“你看,我听过你的演讲,
00:30
And she said, "Well, I saw you speak,
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我觉得我可以称你为研究者,
00:32
and I'm going to call you
a researcher, I think,
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but I'm afraid if I call you
a researcher, no one will come,
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可我担心的是,如果我这么称呼你,没人会来听,
因为大家普遍认为研究员很无趣而且脱离现实。”
00:37
because they'll think
you're boring and irrelevant."
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(笑声)
00:40
(Laughter)
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好。
00:41
And I was like, "Okay."
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00:42
And she said, "But the thing
I liked about your talk
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然后她说:“但是我喜欢你的演讲,
就跟讲故事一样很吸引人。
00:45
is you're a storyteller.
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00:46
So I think what I'll do
is just call you a storyteller."
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我想来想去,还是觉得称你为讲故事的人比较妥当。”
00:49
And of course, the academic,
insecure part of me
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而那个做学术的,感到不安的我
00:52
was like, "You're going
to call me a what?"
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脱口而出道:“你要叫我什么?”
她说:“我要称你为讲故事的人。"
00:55
And she said, "I'm going
to call you a storyteller."
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00:57
And I was like, "Why not 'magic pixie'?"
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我心想:”为什么不干脆叫魔法小精灵?“
01:00
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:03
I was like, "Let me think
about this for a second."
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我说:”让我考虑一下。“
我试着鼓起勇气。
01:07
I tried to call deep on my courage.
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01:09
And I thought, you know,
I am a storyteller.
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我对自己说,我是一个讲故事的人。
01:12
I'm a qualitative researcher.
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我是一个从事定性研究的科研人员。
01:14
I collect stories; that's what I do.
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我收集故事;这就是我的工作。
01:16
And maybe stories
are just data with a soul.
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或许故事就是有灵魂的数据。
01:19
And maybe I'm just a storyteller.
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或许我就是一个讲故事的人。
01:21
And so I said, "You know what?
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于是我说:”听着,
01:23
Why don't you just say
I'm a researcher-storyteller."
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要不你就称我为做研究兼讲故事的人。“
01:26
And she went, "Ha ha.
There's no such thing."
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她说:”哈哈,没这么个说法呀。“
01:29
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:31
So I'm a researcher-storyteller,
and I'm going to talk to you today --
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所以我是个做研究兼讲故事的人,
我今天想跟大家谈论的--
01:35
we're talking about
expanding perception --
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我们要谈论的话题是关于拓展认知--
01:37
and so I want to talk to you
and tell some stories
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我想给你们讲几个故事
是关于我的一份研究的,
01:40
about a piece of my research
that fundamentally expanded my perception
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这份研究从本质上拓宽了我个人的认知,
01:45
and really actually changed
the way that I live and love
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也确确实实改变了我生活、爱、
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and work and parent.
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工作还有教育孩子的方式。
01:50
And this is where my story starts.
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我的故事从这里开始。
01:52
When I was a young researcher,
doctoral student,
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当我还是个年轻的博士研究生的时候,
01:55
my first year, I had
a research professor who said to us,
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第一年,有位研究教授
对我们说:
01:59
"Here's the thing, if you cannot
measure it, it does not exist."
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”事实是这样的,
如果有一个东西你无法测量,那么它就不存在。“
我心想他只是在哄哄我们这些小孩子吧。
02:05
And I thought he was just
sweet-talking me.
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我说:“真的么?” 他说:“当然。”
02:08
I was like, "Really?"
and he was like, "Absolutely."
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02:10
And so you have to understand
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你得知道
我有一个社会工作的学士文凭,一个社会工作的硕士文凭,
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that I have a bachelor's
and a master's in social work,
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我在读的是一个社会工作的博士文凭,
02:15
and I was getting my Ph.D. in social work,
so my entire academic career
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所以我整个学术生涯
都被人所包围,
02:19
was surrounded by people who kind of
believed in the "life's messy, love it."
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他们大抵相信
生活是一团乱麻,接受它。
02:25
And I'm more of the, "life's messy,
clean it up, organize it
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而我的观点则倾向于,生活是一团乱麻,
解开它,把它整理好,
02:30
and put it into a bento box."
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再归类放入便当盒里。
02:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
我觉得我领悟到了关键,
02:35
And so to think that I had found my way,
to found a career that takes me --
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有能力去创一番事业,让自己--
02:40
really, one of the big sayings
in social work is,
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真的,社会工作的一个重要理念是
02:43
"Lean into the discomfort of the work."
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置身于工作的不适中。
02:46
And I'm like, knock discomfort
upside the head
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我就是要把这不适翻个底朝天
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and move it over and get all A's.
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每科都拿到A。
02:51
That was my mantra.
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这就是我当时的信条。
02:54
So I was very excited about this.
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我当时真的是跃跃欲试。
02:56
And so I thought, you know what,
this is the career for me,
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我想这就是我要的职业生涯,
02:59
because I am interested
in some messy topics.
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因为我对乱成一团,难以处理的课题感兴趣。
03:02
But I want to be able
to make them not messy.
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我想要把它们弄清楚。
我想要理解它们。
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I want to understand them.
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03:06
I want to hack into these things
that I know are important
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我想侵入那些
我知道是重要的东西
03:10
and lay the code out for everyone to see.
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把它们摸透,然后用浅显易懂的方式呈献给每一个人。
03:12
So where I started was with connection.
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所以我的起点是“关系”。
03:15
Because, by the time
you're a social worker for 10 years,
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因为当你从事了10年的社会工作,
你必然会发现
03:19
what you realize is that connection
is why we're here.
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关系是我们活着的原因。
03:23
It's what gives purpose
and meaning to our lives.
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它赋予了我们生命的意义。
就是这么简单。
03:27
This is what it's all about.
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03:28
It doesn't matter whether
you talk to people
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无论你跟谁交流
工作在社会执法领域的也好,负责精神健康、虐待和疏于看管领域的也好
03:31
who work in social justice,
mental health and abuse and neglect,
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我们所知道的是,关系
03:34
what we know is that connection,
the ability to feel connected, is --
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是种感应的能力--
生物神经上,我们是这么被设定的--
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neurobiologically
that's how we're wired --
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03:41
it's why we're here.
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这就是为什么我们在这儿。
03:43
So I thought, you know what,
I'm going to start with connection.
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所以我就从关系开始。
下面这个场景我们再熟悉不过了,
03:47
Well, you know that situation
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03:48
where you get an evaluation
from your boss,
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你的上司给你作工作评估,
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and she tells you 37 things
that you do really awesome,
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她告诉了你37点你做得相当棒的地方,
03:54
and one "opportunity for growth?"
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还有一点--成长的空间?
03:56
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
然后你满脑子都想着那一点成长的空间,不是么。
03:59
And all you can think about
is that opportunity for growth, right?
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04:02
Well, apparently this is the way
my work went as well,
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这也是我研究的一个方面,
04:05
because, when you ask people about love,
they tell you about heartbreak.
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因为当你跟人们谈论爱情,
他们告诉你的是一件让他们心碎的事。
04:10
When you ask people about belonging,
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当你跟人们谈论归属感,
他们告诉你的是最让他们痛心的
04:13
they'll tell you their most excruciating
experiences of being excluded.
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被排斥的经历。
04:17
And when you ask people about connection,
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当你跟人们谈论关系,
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the stories they told me
were about disconnection.
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他们跟我讲的是如何被断绝关系的故事。
所以很快的--在大约开始研究这个课题6周以后--
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So very quickly -- really about six weeks
into this research --
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我遇到了这个前所未闻的东西
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I ran into this unnamed thing
that absolutely unraveled connection
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它揭示了关系
以一种我不理解也从没见过的方式。
04:32
in a way that I didn't understand
or had never seen.
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所以我暂停了原先的研究计划,
04:35
And so I pulled back out of the research
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对自己说,我得弄清楚这到底是什么。
04:37
and thought, I need
to figure out what this is.
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04:39
And it turned out to be shame.
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它最终被鉴定为耻辱感。
耻辱感很容易理解,
04:43
And shame is really easily understood
as the fear of disconnection:
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即害怕被断绝关系。
有没有一些关于我的事
04:47
Is there something about me that,
if other people know it or see it,
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如果别人知道了或看到了,
04:51
that I won't be worthy of connection?
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会认为我不值得交往。
我要告诉你们的是:
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The things I can tell you about it:
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这种现象很普遍;我们都会有(这种想法)。
04:57
It's universal; we all have it.
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04:58
The only people who don't experience shame
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没有体验过耻辱的人
不具有人类的同情或关系。
05:01
have no capacity for human
empathy or connection.
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没人想谈论自己的糗事,
05:03
No one wants to talk about it,
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05:04
and the less you talk about it,
the more you have it.
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你谈论的越少,你越感到可耻。
05:09
What underpinned this shame,
this "I'm not good enough," --
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滋生耻辱感的
是一种“我不够好."的心态--
我们都知道这是个什么滋味:
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which, we all know that feeling:
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05:15
"I'm not blank enough.
I'm not thin enough,
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”我不够什么。我不够苗条,
05:17
rich enough, beautiful enough,
smart enough, promoted enough."
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不够有钱,不够漂亮,不够聪明,
职位不够高。“
05:21
The thing that underpinned this
was excruciating vulnerability.
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而支撑这种心态的
是一种刻骨铭心的脆弱,
05:26
This idea of, in order
for connection to happen,
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关键在于
要想产生关系,
05:30
we have to allow ourselves
to be seen, really seen.
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我们必须让自己被看见,
真真切切地被看见。
你知道我怎么看待脆弱。我恨它。
05:36
And you know how I feel
about vulnerability. I hate vulnerability.
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所以我思考着,这次是轮到我
05:39
And so I thought, this is my chance
to beat it back with my measuring stick.
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用我的标尺击溃它的时候了。
05:43
I'm going in, I'm going
to figure this stuff out,
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我要闯进去,把它弄清楚,
05:46
I'm going to spend a year,
I'm going to totally deconstruct shame,
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我要花一年的时间,彻底瓦解耻辱,
05:49
I'm going to understand
how vulnerability works,
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我要搞清楚脆弱是怎么运作的,
然后我要智取胜过它。
05:52
and I'm going to outsmart it.
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05:54
So I was ready, and I was really excited.
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所以我准备好了,非常兴奋。
跟你预计的一样,事与愿违。
06:00
As you know,
it's not going to turn out well.
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(笑声)
06:02
(Laughter)
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06:04
You know this.
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你知道这个(结果)。
06:06
So, I could tell you a lot about shame,
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我能告诉你关于耻辱的很多东西,
06:08
but I'd have to borrow
everyone else's time.
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但那样我就得占用别人的时间了。
06:10
But here's what I can tell you
that it boils down to --
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但我在这儿可以告诉你,归根到底 --
06:13
and this may be one of the most important
things that I've ever learned
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这也许是我学到的最重要的东西
06:16
in the decade of doing this research.
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在从事研究的数十年中。
我预计的一年
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My one year turned into six years:
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变成了六年,
成千上万的故事,
06:24
Thousands of stories, hundreds
of long interviews, focus groups.
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成百上千个采访,焦点集中。
06:28
At one point, people were
sending me journal pages
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有时人们发给我期刊报道,
发给我他们的故事 --
06:31
and sending me their stories --
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06:33
thousands of pieces of data in six years.
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不计其数的数据,就在这六年中。
我大概掌握了它。
06:37
And I kind of got a handle on it.
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06:38
I kind of understood, this is
what shame is, this is how it works.
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我大概理解了这就是耻辱,
这就是它的运作方式。
我写了本书,
06:43
I wrote a book, I published a theory,
but something was not okay --
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我出版了一个理论,
但总觉得哪里不对劲 --
06:49
and what it was is that, if I roughly
took the people I interviewed
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它其实是,
如果我粗略地把我采访过的人
06:53
and divided them into people who really
have a sense of worthiness --
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分成
具有自我价值感的人 --
说到底就是
07:00
that's what this comes down to,
a sense of worthiness --
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自我价值感 --
07:03
they have a strong sense
of love and belonging --
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他们勇于去爱并且拥有强烈的归属感 --
07:06
and folks who struggle for it,
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另一部分则是为之苦苦挣扎的人,
07:08
and folks who are always wondering
if they're good enough.
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总是怀疑自己是否足够好的人。
区分那些
07:11
There was only one variable that separated
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敢于去爱
07:13
the people who have a strong sense
of love and belonging
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并拥有强烈归属感的人
07:16
and the people who really struggle for it.
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和那些为之而苦苦挣扎的人的变量只有一个。
07:18
And that was, the people who have
a strong sense of love and belonging
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那就是,那些敢于去爱
并拥有强烈归属感的人
07:22
believe they're worthy
of love and belonging.
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相信他们值得被爱,值得享有归属感。
07:25
That's it.
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就这么简单。
07:27
They believe they're worthy.
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他们相信自己的价值。
07:30
And to me, the hard part of the one thing
that keeps us out of connection
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而对于我,
那个阻碍人与人之间关系的最困难的部分
07:36
is our fear that we're not
worthy of connection,
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是我们对于自己不值得享有这种关系的恐惧,
07:39
was something that,
personally and professionally,
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无论从个人,还是职业上
我都觉得我有必要去更深入地了解它。
07:42
I felt like I needed to understand better.
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07:44
So what I did is I took
all of the interviews
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所以接下来
我找出所有的采访记录
07:49
where I saw worthiness,
where I saw people living that way,
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找出那些体现自我价值的,那些持有这种观念的记录,
07:52
and just looked at those.
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集中研究它们。
07:55
What do these people have in common?
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这群人有什么共同之处?
07:57
I have a slight office supply addiction,
but that's another talk.
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我对办公用品有点痴迷,
但这是另一个话题了。
08:02
So I had a manila folder,
and I had a Sharpie,
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我有一个牛皮纸文件夹,还有一个三福极好笔,
08:05
and I was like, what am I going
to call this research?
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我心想,我该怎么给这项研究命名呢?
第一个蹦入我脑子的是
08:08
And the first words that came
to my mind were "whole-hearted."
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全心全意这个词。
08:11
These are whole-hearted people,
living from this deep sense of worthiness.
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这是一群全心全意,靠着一种强烈的自我价值感在生活的人们。
所以我在牛皮纸夹的上端这样写道,
08:15
So I wrote at the top
of the manila folder,
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而后我开始查看数据。
08:18
and I started looking at the data.
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事实上,我开始是
08:20
In fact, I did it first in a four-day,
very intensive data analysis,
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用四天时间
集中分析数据,
08:26
where I went back, pulled the interviews,
the stories, pulled the incidents.
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我从头找出那些采访,找出其中的故事和事件。
08:29
What's the theme? What's the pattern?
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主题是什么?有什么规律?
08:32
My husband left town with the kids
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我丈夫带着孩子离开了小镇,
08:35
because I always go into this
Jackson Pollock crazy thing,
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因为我老是陷入像杰克逊.波洛克(美国近代抽象派画家)似的疯狂状态,
08:38
where I'm just writing
and in my researcher mode.
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我一直在写,
完全沉浸在研究的状态中。
08:43
And so here's what I found.
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下面是我的发现。
这些人的共同之处在于
08:48
What they had in common
was a sense of courage.
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勇气。
08:51
And I want to separate courage
and bravery for you for a minute.
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我想在这里先花一分钟跟大家区分一下勇气和胆量。
08:54
Courage, the original
definition of courage,
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勇气,最初的定义,
当它刚出现在英文里的时候 --
08:57
when it first came
into the English language --
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是从拉丁文cor,意为心,演变过来的 --
08:59
it's from the Latin word "cor,"
meaning "heart" --
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09:01
and the original definition was to tell
the story of who you are
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最初的定义是
真心地叙述一个故事,告诉大家你是谁的。
09:04
with your whole heart.
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所以这些人
09:07
And so these folks had, very simply,
the courage to be imperfect.
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就具有勇气
承认自己不完美。
09:13
They had the compassion to be kind
to themselves first and then to others,
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他们具有同情心,
先是对自己的,再是对他人的,
09:18
because, as it turns out,
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因为,事实是,我们如果不能善待自己,
09:19
we can't practice compassion
with other people
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我们也无法善待他人。
09:22
if we can't treat ourselves kindly.
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09:24
And the last was they had connection,
and -- this was the hard part --
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最后一点,他们都能和他人建立关系,
-- 这是很难做到的--
09:28
as a result of authenticity,
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前提是他们必须坦诚,
09:31
they were willing to let go
of who they thought they should be
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他们愿意放开自己设定的那个理想的自我
09:34
in order to be who they were,
which you have to absolutely do that
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以换取真正的自我,
这是赢得关系的
09:39
for connection.
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必要条件。
09:43
The other thing that they had
in common was this:
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他们还有另外一个共同之处
那就是,
09:50
They fully embraced vulnerability.
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他们全然接受脆弱。
09:55
They believed that what made them
vulnerable made them beautiful.
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他们相信
让他们变得脆弱的东西
也让他们变得美丽。
他们不认为脆弱
10:06
They didn't talk about vulnerability
being comfortable,
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是寻求舒适,
10:09
nor did they really talk
about it being excruciating --
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也不认为脆弱是钻心的疼痛 --
10:12
as I had heard it earlier
in the shame interviewing.
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正如我之前在关于耻辱的采访中听到的。
他们只是简单地认为脆弱是必须的。
10:15
They just talked about it being necessary.
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10:18
They talked about the willingness
to say, "I love you" first ...
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他们会谈到愿意
说出"我爱你",
愿意
10:24
the willingness to do something
where there are no guarantees ...
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做些
没有的事情,
10:31
the willingness to breathe
through waiting for the doctor to call
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愿意
等待医生的电话,
10:35
after your mammogram.
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在做完乳房X光检查之后。
10:38
They're willing to invest
in a relationship
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他们愿意为情感投资,
10:41
that may or may not work out.
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无论有没有结果。
10:44
They thought this was fundamental.
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他们觉得这些都是最根本的。
10:47
I personally thought it was betrayal.
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我当时认为那是背叛。
10:50
I could not believe I had pledged
allegiance to research, where our job --
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我无法相信
我尽然对科研宣誓效忠 --
10:55
you know, the definition of research
is to control and predict,
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研究的定义是
控制(变量)然后预测,去研究现象,
10:59
to study phenomena for the explicit
reason to control and predict.
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为了一个明确的目标,
去控制并预测。
11:04
And now my mission to control and predict
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而我现在的使命
即控制并预测
11:08
had turned up the answer
that the way to live is with vulnerability
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却给出了这样一个结果:要想与脆弱共存
就得停止控制,停止预测
11:12
and to stop controlling and predicting.
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11:14
This led to a little breakdown --
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于是我崩溃了 --
11:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:21
-- which actually looked more like this.
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-- 其实更像是这样。
11:24
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:26
And it did.
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它确实是。
11:28
I call it a breakdown; my therapist
calls it a spiritual awakening.
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我称它为崩溃,我的心理医生称它为灵魂的觉醒。
11:31
(Laughter)
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11:32
A spiritual awakening
sounds better than breakdown,
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灵魂的觉醒当然比精神崩溃要好听很多,
但我跟你说那的确是精神崩溃。
11:35
but I assure you, it was a breakdown.
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然后我不得不暂且把数据放一边,去求助心理医生。
11:37
And I had to put my data away
and go find a therapist.
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让我告诉你:你知道你是谁
11:40
Let me tell you something:
you know who you are
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当你打电话跟你朋友说:“我觉得我需要跟人谈谈。
11:42
when you call your friends and say,
"I think I need to see somebody.
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你有什么好的建议吗?“
11:45
Do you have any recommendations?"
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11:47
Because about five
of my friends were like,
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因为我大约有五个朋友这么回答:
11:49
"Wooo, I wouldn't want
to be your therapist."
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”喔。我可不想当你的心理医生。“
11:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:54
I was like, "What does that mean?"
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我说:”这是什么意思?“
11:56
And they're like,
"I'm just saying, you know.
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他们说:”我只是想说,
11:59
Don't bring your measuring stick."
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别带上你的标尺来见我。“
12:01
(Laughter)
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我说:”行。“
12:04
I was like, "Okay."
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12:06
So I found a therapist.
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就这样我找到了一个心理医生。
12:08
My first meeting with her, Diana --
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我跟她,戴安娜,的第一次见面 --
我带去了一份表单
12:12
I brought in my list of the way
the whole-hearted live, and I sat down.
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上面都是那些全身心投入生活的人的生活方式,然后我坐下了。
12:16
And she said, "How are you?"
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她说:”你好吗?“
12:18
And I said, "I'm great. I'm okay."
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我说:”我很好。还不赖。“
12:21
She said, "What's going on?"
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她说:”发生了什么事?“
12:23
And this is a therapist
who sees therapists,
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这是一个治疗心理医生的心理医生,
12:26
because we have to go to those,
because their B.S. meters are good.
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我们不得不去看这些心理医生,
因为他们的废话测量仪很准(知道你什么时候在说真心话)。
12:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:33
And so I said, "Here's the thing,
I'm struggling."
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所以我说:
“事情是这样的。我很纠结。”
12:37
And she said, "What's the struggle?"
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她说:“你纠结什么?”
我说:”嗯,我跟脆弱过不去。
12:40
And I said, "Well, I have
a vulnerability issue.
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12:42
And I know that vulnerability
is the core of shame and fear
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而且我知道脆弱是
耻辱和恐惧的根源
是我们为自我价值而挣扎的根源,
12:48
and our struggle for worthiness,
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12:49
but it appears that it's also
the birthplace of joy, of creativity,
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但它同时又是
欢乐,创造性,
12:55
of belonging, of love.
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归属感,爱的源泉。
12:57
And I think I have a problem,
and I need some help."
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所以我觉得我有问题,
我需要帮助。“
我补充道:”但是,
13:03
And I said, "But here's the thing:
no family stuff, no childhood shit."
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这跟家庭无关,
跟童年无关。“
13:08
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:10
"I just need some strategies."
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“我只需要一些策略。”
13:13
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:17
(Applause)
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(掌声)
谢谢。
13:21
Thank you.
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13:24
So she goes like this.
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戴安娜的反应是这样的。
13:27
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:29
And then I said, "It's bad, right?"
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我接着说:“这很糟糕,对么?”
13:32
And she said, "It's neither good nor bad."
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她说:“这不算好,也不算坏。”
13:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:37
"It just is what it is."
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“它本身就是这样。”
13:39
And I said, "Oh my God,
this is going to suck."
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我说:“哦,我的天,要悲剧了。”
13:42
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:45
And it did, and it didn't.
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(悲剧)果然发生了,但又没有发生。
13:47
And it took about a year.
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大概有一年的时间。
13:49
And you know how there are people
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你知道的,有些人
13:51
that, when they realize that vulnerability
and tenderness are important,
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当他们发现脆弱和温柔很重要的时候,
他们放下所有戒备,欣然接受。
13:56
that they surrender and walk into it.
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(我要声明)一,这不是我,
13:59
A: that's not me,
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二,我朋友里面也没有这样的人。
14:01
and B: I don't even hang out
with people like that.
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14:03
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:06
For me, it was a yearlong street fight.
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对我来说,那是长达一年的斗争。
14:09
It was a slugfest.
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是场激烈的混战。
14:11
Vulnerability pushed, I pushed back.
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脆弱打我一拳,我又还击它一拳。
14:13
I lost the fight,
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最后我输了,
14:16
but probably won my life back.
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但我或许赢回了我的生活。
14:18
And so then I went back into the research
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然后我再度投入到了我的研究中,
14:20
and spent the next couple of years
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又花了几年时间
14:22
really trying to understand
what they, the whole-hearted,
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真正试图去理解那些全身心投入生活的人,
14:25
what choices they were making,
and what we are doing with vulnerability.
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他们做了怎样的决定,
他们是如何应对
脆弱的。
14:31
Why do we struggle with it so much?
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为什么我们为之痛苦挣扎?
14:33
Am I alone in struggling
with vulnerability?
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我是独自在跟脆弱斗争吗?
不是。
14:37
No.
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14:38
So this is what I learned.
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这是我学到的:
14:41
We numb vulnerability --
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我们麻痹脆弱 --
14:44
when we're waiting for the call.
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(例如)当我们等待(医生)电话的时候。
14:46
It was funny, I sent something out
on Twitter and on Facebook
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好笑的是,我在Twitter微博和Facebook上发布了一条状态,
“你怎样定义脆弱?
14:49
that says, "How would you
define vulnerability?
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什么会让你感到脆弱?“
14:51
What makes you feel vulnerable?"
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在1个半小时内,我收到了150条回复。
14:53
And within an hour and a half,
I had 150 responses.
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14:55
Because I wanted to know what's out there.
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因为我想知道
大家都是怎么想的。
(回复中有)不得不请求丈夫帮忙,
15:01
Having to ask my husband for help
because I'm sick, and we're newly married;
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因为我病了,而且我们刚结婚;
跟丈夫提出要做爱;
15:06
initiating sex with my husband;
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15:08
initiating sex with my wife;
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跟妻子提出要做爱;
被拒绝;约某人出来;
15:11
being turned down; asking someone out;
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等待医生的答复;
15:14
waiting for the doctor to call back;
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被裁员;裁掉别人--
15:16
getting laid off; laying off people.
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15:18
This is the world we live in.
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这就是我们生活的世界。
15:20
We live in a vulnerable world.
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我们活在一个脆弱的世界里。
15:23
And one of the ways we deal
with it is we numb vulnerability.
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我们应对的方法之一
是麻痹脆弱。
15:27
And I think there's evidence --
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我觉得这不是没有依据 --
15:29
and it's not the only reason
this evidence exists,
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这也不是依据存在的唯一理由,
15:31
but I think it's a huge cause --
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我认为我们当代问题的一大部分都可以归咎于它 --
15:33
We are the most in-debt ...
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在美国历史上,我们是欠债最多,
肥胖,
15:38
obese ...
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15:40
addicted and medicated
adult cohort in U.S. history.
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毒瘾、用药最为严重
的一代。
15:48
The problem is -- and I learned this
from the research --
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问题是 -- 我从研究中认识到 --
15:51
that you cannot selectively numb emotion.
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你无法选择性地麻痹感情。
15:55
You can't say, here's the bad stuff.
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你不能说,这些是不好的。
15:58
Here's vulnerability,
here's grief, here's shame,
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这是脆弱,这是悲哀,这是耻辱,
16:00
here's fear, here's disappointment.
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这是恐惧,这是失望,
16:02
I don't want to feel these.
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我不想要这些情感。
16:04
I'm going to have a couple of beers
and a banana nut muffin.
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我要去喝几瓶啤酒,吃个香蕉坚果松饼。
16:07
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
我不想要这些情感。
16:10
I don't want to feel these.
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16:11
And I know that's knowing laughter.
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我知道台下传来的是会意的笑声。
16:13
I hack into your lives for a living.
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别忘了,我是靠“入侵”你们的生活过日子的。
16:16
God.
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天哪。
16:18
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:20
You can't numb those hard feelings
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你无法只麻痹那些痛苦的情感
16:23
without numbing
the other affects, our emotions.
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而不麻痹所有的感官,所有的情感。
你无法有选择性地去麻痹。
16:26
You cannot selectively numb.
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16:27
So when we numb those,
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当我们麻痹那些(消极的情感),
16:30
we numb joy,
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我们也麻痹了欢乐,
麻痹了感恩,
16:33
we numb gratitude,
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16:34
we numb happiness.
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麻痹了幸福。
然后我们会变得痛不欲生,
16:37
And then, we are miserable,
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我们继而寻找生命的意义,
16:40
and we are looking
for purpose and meaning,
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然后我们感到脆弱,
16:42
and then we feel vulnerable,
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16:43
so then we have a couple of beers
and a banana nut muffin.
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然后我们喝几瓶啤酒,吃个香蕉坚果松饼。
16:46
And it becomes this dangerous cycle.
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危险的循环就这样这形成了。
16:51
One of the things that I think
we need to think about
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我们需要思考的一件事是
16:54
is why and how we numb.
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我们是为什么,怎么样麻痹自己的。
16:56
And it doesn't just have to be addiction.
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这不一定是指吸毒。
我们麻痹自己的另一个方式是
17:00
The other thing we do is we make
everything that's uncertain certain.
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把不确定的事变得确定。
17:05
Religion has gone from a belief
in faith and mystery to certainty.
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宗教已经从一种信仰、一种对不可知的相信
变成了确定。
17:10
"I'm right, you're wrong. Shut up."
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我是对的,你是错的。闭嘴。
就是这样。
17:14
That's it.
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只要是确定的就是好的。
17:16
Just certain.
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我们越是害怕,我们就越脆弱,
17:18
The more afraid we are,
the more vulnerable we are,
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然后我们变得愈加害怕。
17:20
the more afraid we are.
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这件就是当今政治的现状。
17:22
This is what politics looks like today.
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探讨已经不复存在。
17:24
There's no discourse anymore.
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17:25
There's no conversation.
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对话已经荡然无存。
17:27
There's just blame.
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有的仅仅是指责。
17:29
You know how blame
is described in the research?
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你知道研究领域是如何描述指责的吗?
17:32
A way to discharge pain and discomfort.
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一种发泄痛苦与不快的方式。
我们追求完美。
17:37
We perfect.
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17:38
If there's anyone who wants their life
to look like this, it would be me,
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如果有人想这样塑造他的生活,那个人就是我,
但这行不通。
17:42
but it doesn't work.
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17:43
Because what we do is we take fat
from our butts and put it in our cheeks.
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因为我们做的只是把屁股上的赘肉
挪到我们的脸上。
17:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
17:50
Which just, I hope in 100 years,
people will look back and go, "Wow."
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这真是,我希望一百年以后,
当人们回过头来会不禁感叹:”哇!“
17:54
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
17:56
And we perfect,
most dangerously, our children.
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我们想要,这是最危险的,
我们的孩子变得完美。
18:00
Let me tell you what we think
about children.
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让我告诉你我们是如何看待孩子的。
18:02
They're hardwired for struggle
when they get here.
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从他们出生的那刻起,他们就注定要挣扎。
18:05
And when you hold those perfect
little babies in your hand,
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当你把这些完美的宝宝抱在怀里的时候,
18:08
our job is not to say,
"Look at her, she's perfect.
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我们的任务不是说:”看看她,她完美的无可挑剔。“
而是确保她保持完美 --
18:11
My job is just to keep her perfect --
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保证她五年级的时候可以进网球队,七年级的时候稳进耶鲁。
18:13
make sure she makes the tennis team
by fifth grade and Yale by seventh."
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那不是我们的任务。
18:16
That's not our job.
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18:17
Our job is to look and say,
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我们的任务是注视着她,对她说,
18:19
"You know what? You're imperfect,
and you're wired for struggle,
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“你知道吗?你并不完美,你注定要奋斗,
18:22
but you are worthy of love and belonging."
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但你值得被爱,值得享有归属感。”
这才是我们的职责。
18:25
That's our job.
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给我看用这种方式培养出来的一代孩子,
18:27
Show me a generation
of kids raised like that,
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我保证我们今天有的问题会得到解决。
18:29
and we'll end the problems,
I think, that we see today.
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18:31
We pretend that what we do
doesn't have an effect on people.
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我们假装我们的行为
不会影响他人。
18:38
We do that in our personal lives.
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不仅在我们个人生活中我们这么做,
18:40
We do that corporate --
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在工作中也一样 --
18:41
whether it's a bailout, an oil spill ...
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无论是紧急救助,石油泄漏,
还是产品召回 --
18:45
a recall.
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18:46
We pretend like what we're doing
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我们假装我们做的事
18:48
doesn't have a huge impact
on other people.
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对他人不会造成什么大影响。
18:51
I would say to companies,
this is not our first rodeo, people.
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我想对这些公司说:嘿,这不是我们第一次牛仔竞技。
18:55
We just need you to be authentic
and real and say ...
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我们只要你坦诚地,真心地
说一句:"对不起,
18:59
"We're sorry. We'll fix it."
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我们会处理这个问题。“
19:05
But there's another way,
and I'll leave you with this.
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但还有一种方法,我把它留给你们。
这是我的心得:
19:08
This is what I have found:
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19:09
To let ourselves be seen,
deeply seen, vulnerably seen ...
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卸下我们的面具,让我们被看见,
深入地被看见,
即便是脆弱的一面;
19:16
to love with our whole hearts,
even though there's no guarantee --
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全心全意地去爱,
尽管没有任何担保 --
这是最困难的,
19:21
and that's really hard,
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19:22
and I can tell you as a parent,
that's excruciatingly difficult --
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我也可以告诉你,作为一名家长,这个非常非常困难 --
带着一颗感恩的心,保持快乐
19:28
to practice gratitude and joy
in those moments of terror,
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哪怕是在最恐惧的时候
19:32
when we're wondering,
"Can I love you this much?
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哪怕我们怀疑:”我能不能爱得这么深?
我能不能如此热情地相信这份感情?
19:35
Can I believe in this this passionately?
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我能不能如此矢志不渝?“
19:37
Can I be this fierce about this?"
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19:39
just to be able to stop and, instead of
catastrophizing what might happen,
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在消极的时候能打住,而不是一味地幻想事情会如何变得更糟,
对自己说:”我已经很感恩了,
19:42
to say, "I'm just so grateful,
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19:44
because to feel this vulnerable
means I'm alive."
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因为能感受到这种脆弱,这意味着我还活着。“
19:48
And the last, which I think
is probably the most important,
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最后,还有最重要的一点,
那就是相信我们已经做得够好了。
19:52
is to believe that we're enough.
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19:54
Because when we work from a place,
I believe, that says, "I'm enough" ...
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因为我相信当我们在一个
让人觉得“我已经足够了”的环境中打拼的时候
20:00
then we stop screaming
and start listening,
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我们会停止抱怨,开始倾听,
20:04
we're kinder and gentler
to the people around us,
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我们会对周围的人会更友善,更温和,
对自己也会更友善,更温和。
20:07
and we're kinder and gentler to ourselves.
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这就是我演讲的全部内容。谢谢大家。
20:10
That's all I have. Thank you.
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20:11
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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