Your elusive creative genius | Elizabeth Gilbert

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Translator: Raimonds Jaks Reviewer: Ilze Garda
Es esmu rakstniece.
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I am a writer.
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Writing books is my profession but it's more than that, of course.
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Grāmatu rakstīšana ir mana profesija, bet tas, protams, ir kas vairāk.
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It is also my great lifelong love and fascination.
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Tā ir arī mana lielā mūža mīlestība un aizraušanās.
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And I don't expect that that's ever going to change.
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Un es nedomāju, ka tas jelkad mainīsies.
Tomēr nesen ir noticis kaut kas nedaudz īpatnējs
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But, that said, something kind of peculiar has happened recently
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in my life and in my career,
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manā dzīvē un karjerā,
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which has caused me to have to recalibrate my whole relationship with this work.
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kas ir licis man pārdomāt visas savas attiecības ar šo darbu.
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And the peculiar thing is that I recently wrote this book,
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Un šis īpatnējais ir tas, ka es nesen sarakstīju grāmatu,
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this memoir called "Eat, Pray, Love"
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šo memuāru, kas saucas "Ēd, lūdzies, mīli",
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which, decidedly unlike any of my previous books,
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kas pavisam droši, atšķirībā no visām manām iepriekšējām grāmatām,
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went out in the world for some reason, and became this big,
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kaut kāda iemesla dēļ izgāja pasaulē
un kļuva par milzīgu megasensāciju, starptautisku bestselleru.
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mega-sensation, international bestseller thing.
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The result of which is that everywhere I go now,
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Tā rezultātā visur, kur tagad parādos,
pret mani izturas kā pret nolemto.
00:57
people treat me like I'm doomed.
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Seriously -- doomed, doomed!
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Nopietni – nolemto, nolemto!
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Like, they come up to me now, all worried, and they say,
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Tagad man nāk klāt un ar rūpjpilnu izteiksmi jautā:
"Vai jūs nebaidāties, ka nekad to nespēsiet pārspēt?
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"Aren't you afraid you're never going to be able to top that?
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Aren't you afraid you're going to keep writing for your whole life
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Vai nebaidāties, ka visu mūžu turpināsiet rakstīt
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and you're never again going to create a book
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un nekad vairs neuzrakstīsiet tādu grāmatu,
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that anybody in the world cares about at all,
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kas kādam pasaulē šķistu svarīga?
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ever again?"
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Nu, nekad vairs?"
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So that's reassuring, you know.
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Tas iedrošina, ziniet.
Bet mēdz būt vēl ļaunāk, izņemot to, ka es kaut kā atceros,
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But it would be worse, except for that I happen to remember
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ka pirms 20 gadiem, pusaudža gados, kad sāku apkārtējiem stāstīt,
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that over 20 years ago, when I was a teenager,
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when I first started telling people that I wanted to be a writer,
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ka vēlos kļūt par rakstnieci,
es sastapos ar to pašu bailēs sakņoto reakciju.
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I was met with this same sort of fear-based reaction.
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Un man mēdza teikt: "Vai tu nebaidies, ka nekad negūsi panākumus?
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And people would say, "Aren't you afraid you're never going to have any success?
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Vai nebaidies, ka nevarēsi izturēt atteikuma pazemojumu?
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Aren't you afraid the humiliation of rejection will kill you?
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Vai nebaidies, ka strādāsi šajā arodā visu mūžu
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Aren't you afraid that you're going to work your whole life at this craft
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un no tā nekas neiznāks, un tu nomirsi uz sabrukušu sapņu drupu kaudzes
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and nothing's ever going to come of it
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and you're going to die on a scrap heap of broken dreams
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ar zaudējuma pelnu rūgto garšu mutē?"
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with your mouth filled with bitter ash of failure?"
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(Smiekli)
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(Laughter)
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Like that, you know.
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Apmēram tā.
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The answer -- the short answer to all those questions is, "Yes."
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Atbilde, īsā atbilde, uz šiem jautājumiem ir: "Jā."
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Yes, I'm afraid of all those things.
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Jā, es no tā visa baidos un vienmēr esmu baidījusies.
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And I always have been.
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Es arī baidos no daudzām citām lietām,
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And I'm afraid of many, many more things besides
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that people can't even guess at,
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ko citi pat nevar iedomāties,
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like seaweed and other things that are scary.
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piemēram, ūdenszālēm un citām biedējošām lietām.
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But, when it comes to writing,
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Bet, ja runā par rakstīšanu,
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the thing that I've been sort of thinking about lately, and wondering about lately,
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tas, par ko pēdējā laikā esmu domājusi un prātojusi, ir:
kāpēc?
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is why?
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Vai tas ir racionāli?
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You know, is it rational?
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Vai tas ir loģiski, ka kādam būtu jābaidās no darba,
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Is it logical that anybody should be expected
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to be afraid of the work that they feel they were put on this Earth to do.
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ko jūt kā savu sūtību šajā pasaulē?
Un kas tieši radošajos darbos ir tas,
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And what is it specifically about creative ventures
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that seems to make us really nervous about each other's mental health
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kas liek uztraukties par mūsu garīgo veselību?
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in a way that other careers kind of don't do, you know?
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Jo citās karjerās tā īsti nav.
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Like my dad, for example, was a chemical engineer
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Mans tēvs, piemēram, bija ķīmijas inženieris,
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and I don't recall once in his 40 years of chemical engineering
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un es neatceros, ka jelkad viņa 40 gadu ilgajā ķīmijas inženiera karjerā
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anybody asking him if he was afraid to be a chemical engineer, you know?
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kāds viņam būtu prasījis, vai viņam ir bail būt ķīmijas inženierim.
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"That chemical-engineering block, John, how's it going?"
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"Kā veicas, Džon, ar to ķīmiskās inženierijas bloku?"
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It just didn't come up like that, you know?
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Šādu jautājumu vienkārši nekad neuzdeva.
Bet, godīgi sakot, ķīmijas inženieri kopumā
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But to be fair, chemical engineers as a group
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haven't really earned a reputation over the centuries
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nav gadsimtu garumā izpelnījušies ar depresiju apsēstu alkoholiķu slavu.
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for being alcoholic manic-depressives.
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(Smiekli)
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(Laughter)
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We writers, we kind of do have that reputation,
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Mums, rakstniekiem, šķiet, šāda slava piemīt,
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and not just writers, but creative people across all genres,
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un ne tikai rakstniekiem, bet gan visu žanru radošajiem cilvēkiem
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it seems, have this reputation for being enormously mentally unstable.
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mēdz būt garīgi ārkārtīgi nestabilu ļaužu reputācija.
Atliek tikai palūkoties uz lielo skaitu nelāgā nāvē mirušo,
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And all you have to do is look at the very grim death count
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in the 20th century alone, of really magnificent creative minds
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patiešām apbrīnojamo radošo prātu 20. gadsimtā vien,
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who died young and often at their own hands, you know?
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kas miruši jauni un bieži vien pašnāvībā.
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And even the ones who didn't literally commit suicide
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Un pat tos, kas nav izdarījuši pašnāvību burtiski,
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seem to be really undone by their gifts, you know.
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šķiet, ir pieveicis pašu talants.
Normans Meilers īsi pirms nāves pēdējā intervijā teica:
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Norman Mailer, just before he died, last interview, he said,
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"Katra mana grāmata ir mani mazliet nogalinājusi."
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"Every one of my books has killed me a little more."
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Neparasta atziņa par savas dzīves darbu.
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An extraordinary statement to make about your life's work.
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But we don't even blink when we hear somebody say this,
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Bet mēs pat nepamirkšķinām ne acu, kad dzirdam kādu tā sakām,
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because we've heard that kind of stuff for so long
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jo esam tādas lietas dzirdējuši pārāk ilgi
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and somehow we've completely internalized and accepted collectively
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un kolektīvi kaut kā pilnībā pieņēmuši
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this notion that creativity and suffering are somehow inherently linked
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šo uzskatu, ka radošums un ciešanas ir kaut kā nenovēršami saistīti
un ka mākslinieciskums galu galā vienmēr noved pie mokām.
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and that artistry, in the end, will always ultimately lead to anguish.
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Jautājums, ko es visiem gribu šodien uzdot, ir:
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And the question that I want to ask everybody here today
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is are you guys all cool with that idea?
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vai jūs ar šo domu esat mierā?
Vai jūs tas apmierina?
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Are you comfortable with that?
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04:13
Because you look at it even from an inch away and, you know --
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Jo, ja uz to paskatās pat no sprīža attāluma,
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I'm not at all comfortable with that assumption.
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mani šis pieņēmums neapmierina nemaz.
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I think it's odious.
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Es domāju, ka tas ir riebīgs un arī bīstams,
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And I also think it's dangerous,
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un es negribu, ka tas tā turpinās arī nākamajā gadsimtā.
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and I don't want to see it perpetuated into the next century.
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Es domāju, ka ir labāk, ja mēs iedrošinām savus lieliskos radošos prātus dzīvot.
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I think it's better if we encourage our great creative minds to live.
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And I definitely know that, in my case -- in my situation --
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Un es noteikti zinu, ka manā gadījumā, manā situācijā,
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it would be very dangerous for me to start sort of leaking down that dark path
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būtu ļoti bīstami sākt soli pa solītim doties pa šo tumšo pieņēmumu taku,
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of assumption,
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particularly given the circumstance that I'm in right now in my career.
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sevišķi ņemot vērā manas karjeras pašreizējos apstākļus.
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Which is -- you know, like check it out,
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Tas ir, es esmu diezgan jauna, man ir tikai ap 40 gadu,
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I'm pretty young, I'm only about 40 years old.
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man priekšā ir, iespējams, vēl 40 darba gadu,
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I still have maybe another four decades of work left in me.
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And it's exceedingly likely that anything I write from this point forward
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un arvien ticamāk šķiet, ka visu, ko nākotnē uzrakstīšu,
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is going to be judged by the world as the work that came after
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pasaule uzlūkos kā darbu
pēc manas pēdējās grāmatas nenormālajiem panākumiem, vai ne?
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the freakish success of my last book, right?
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I should just put it bluntly, because we're all sort of friends here now --
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Man tas jāpasaka skaidri un gaiši, jo mēs te visi esam kā draugi.
Arvien ticamāk šķiet, ka mani lielākie panākumi ir man aiz muguras.
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it's exceedingly likely that my greatest success is behind me.
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So Jesus, what a thought!
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Jēziņ! Kas par domu!
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That's the kind of thought that could lead a person
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Tādas domas var novest cilvēku pie džina dzeršanas deviņos no rīta,
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to start drinking gin at nine o'clock in the morning,
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and I don't want to go there.
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(Smiekli)
un es nevēlos pie tā nonākt.
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(Laughter)
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Es vēlētos turpināt darīt šo darbu, kas man patīk,
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I would prefer to keep doing this work that I love.
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tāpēc rodas jautājums: kā?
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And so, the question becomes, how?
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And so, it seems to me, upon a lot of reflection,
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Pēc ilgām pārdomām man šķiet,
ka veids, kā man tagad jāstrādā, lai turpinātu rakstīt,
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that the way that I have to work now, in order to continue writing,
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is that I have to create some sort of protective psychological construct, right?
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ir kaut kāda psiholoģiskās aizsardzības mehānisma radīšana, vai ne?
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I have to sort of find some way to have a safe distance
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Man jāatrod kaut kāda droša distance
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between me, as I am writing, and my very natural anxiety
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starp manu rakstīšanu
un dabisko nemieru par to, kā uz manis rakstīto nākotnē reaģēs.
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about what the reaction to that writing is going to be, from now on.
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And, as I've been looking, over the last year,
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Pēdējā gada laikā meklējot veidus, kā to paveikt,
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for models for how to do that,
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I've been sort of looking across time,
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esmu pārskatījusi dažādus laikmetus
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and I've been trying to find other societies
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un mēģinājusi atrast citas sabiedrības,
kas varētu sniegt par mūsējām labākas un saprātīgākas idejas,
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to see if they might have had better and saner ideas than we have
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kā palīdzēt radošiem cilvēkiem
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about how to help creative people
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tikt galā ar radošumam raksturīgajiem emocionālajiem riskiem.
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sort of manage the inherent emotional risks of creativity.
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Un šie meklējumi mani noveda antīkajā Grieķijā un Romā.
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And that search has led me to ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
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Sekojiet manai domai, jo tā šaudīsies šurpu turpu.
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So stay with me, because it does circle around and back.
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But, ancient Greece and ancient Rome --
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Antīkajā Grieķijā un Romā
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people did not happen to believe that creativity
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cilvēki neuzskatīja, ka radošums
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came from human beings back then, OK?
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nāk no pašiem cilvēkiem.
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People believed that creativity was this divine attendant spirit
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Ļaudis ticēja, ka radošums ir dievišķs pavadošais gars,
kas pie cilvēkiem atnāk no kādas tālas un nezināmas vietas,
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that came to human beings from some distant and unknowable source,
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tālu un nezināmu iemeslu vadīts.
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for distant and unknowable reasons.
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The Greeks famously called these divine attendant spirits of creativity "daemons."
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Grieķi šos radošumu pavadošos garus sauca labi zināmajā vārdā par "dēmoniem".
Sokrāts, kā zināms, ticēja, ka viņam piemita dēmons,
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Socrates, famously, believed that he had a daemon
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kas viņu mācīja no tālienes.
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who spoke wisdom to him from afar.
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The Romans had the same idea,
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Romiešiem bija tāda pati doma,
bet viņi šo bezķermenisko radošo garu dēvēja par ģēniju,
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but they called that sort of disembodied creative spirit a genius.
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Which is great, because the Romans did not actually think
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kas ir lieliski, jo romieši patiesībā neuzskatīja,
ka ģēnijs ir kāds sevišķi gudrs cilvēks.
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that a genius was a particularly clever individual.
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Viņi ticēja, ka ģēnijs ir tāda kā maģiska dievišķa būtne,
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They believed that a genius was this, sort of magical divine entity,
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who was believed to literally live in the walls of an artist's studio,
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kas, viņuprāt, burtiski dzīvoja mākslinieka darbnīcas sienās
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kind of like Dobby the house elf,
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kā tāds Dobijs, mājas elfs,
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and who would come out
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un kas nāk ārā un neredzami palīdz māksliniekam viņa darbā,
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and sort of invisibly assist the artist with their work
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un ietekmē šī darba rezultātu.
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and would shape the outcome of that work.
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So brilliant -- there it is, right there, that distance that I'm talking about --
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Brīnišķīgi! Te nu tas ir!
Tieši tā distance, par ko es runāju,
tas psiholoģiskais mehānisms, kas aizsargā no darba iznākuma.
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that psychological construct to protect you from the results of your work.
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And everyone knew that this is how it functioned, right?
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Un visi zināja, ka tas tā ir.
Tāpēc antīkais mākslinieks bija pasargāts no noteiktām lietām,
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So the ancient artist was protected from certain things,
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like, for example, too much narcissism, right?
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piemēram, pārāk liela narcisisma.
Ja darbs bija lielisks, jūs nevarējāt piesavināties visus nopelnus,
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If your work was brilliant, you couldn't take all the credit for it,
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everybody knew that you had this disembodied genius who had helped you.
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jo visi zināja, ka jums ir šis gaisīgais ģēnijs, kas jums palīdzējis.
Ja darbs nekam neder, tā nav tikai jūsu vaina.
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If your work bombed, not entirely your fault, you know?
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Everyone knew your genius was kind of lame.
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Visi zināja, ka jūsu ģēnijs bijis drusku neveikls.
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(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
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And this is how people thought about creativity in the West
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Un tā ļaudis Rietumos domāja par radošumu ļoti ilgu laiku.
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for a really long time.
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Tad nāca renesanse, un viss mainījās,
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And then the Renaissance came and everything changed,
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un mums radās varena doma, un varenā domā bija:
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and we had this big idea, and the big idea was,
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let's put the individual human being at the center of the universe
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noliksim cilvēku Visuma centrā, pāri visiem dieviem un mistērijām,
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above all gods and mysteries,
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and there's no more room for mystical creatures
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un mistiskiem, dievišķā vadītiem radījumiem vairs nebija vietas.
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who take dictation from the divine.
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And it's the beginning of rational humanism,
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Tas bija racionālā humānisma sākums,
08:08
and people started to believe that creativity
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un cilvēki sāka ticēt, ka radošums pilnībā nāk no paša cilvēka,
08:11
came completely from the self of the individual.
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08:13
And for the first time in history,
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un pirmo reizi vēsturē
08:15
you start to hear people referring to this or that artist as being a genius,
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sāka dēvēt to vai citu mākslinieku par ģēniju,
08:20
rather than having a genius.
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nevis kādu, kam ir ģēnijs.
08:22
And I got to tell you, I think that was a huge error.
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Jāsaka, ka, manuprāt, tā bija milzīga kļūda.
08:25
You know, I think that allowing somebody, one mere person
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Es domāju, ka atļaut kādam, vienam cilvēkam,
08:29
to believe that he or she is like, the vessel,
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ticēt, ka viņš vai viņa ir kā trauks,
08:32
you know, like the font and the essence and the source
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kā avots un esence, un pirmsākums
visai dievišķajai, radošajai, nezināmajai, mūžīgajai mistērijai,
08:35
of all divine, creative, unknowable, eternal mystery
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08:38
is just a smidge too much responsibility to put on one fragile, human psyche.
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nozīmē uzlikt mazliet par daudz atbildības trauslajai cilvēka psihei.
08:44
It's like asking somebody to swallow the sun.
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Tas ir kā likt kādam aprīt sauli.
Tas pilnībā pārvērš un izkropļo ego,
08:48
It just completely warps and distorts egos,
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08:50
and it creates all these unmanageable expectations about performance.
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un rada visas šīs nepiepildāmās cerības uz panākumiem.
08:54
And I think the pressure of that
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Es domāju, ka šis spiediens
08:56
has been killing off our artists for the last 500 years.
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ir nāvējis mūsu māksliniekus pēdējo 500 gadu garumā.
08:59
And, if this is true,
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Ja tas tā ir,
– un es domāju, ka tā ir –,
09:02
and I think it is true,
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09:03
the question becomes, what now?
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rodas jautājums: ko darīt?
09:06
Can we do this differently?
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Vai mēs varam kaut ko mainīt?
09:08
Maybe go back to some more ancient understanding
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Varbūt atgriezties pie kādas senākas saprašanas
par attiecībām starp cilvēkiem un radošo mistēriju.
09:12
about the relationship between humans and the creative mystery.
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09:16
Maybe not.
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Varbūt ne.
09:17
Maybe we can't just erase 500 years of rational humanistic thought
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Varbūt nevaram vienkārši izdzēst 500 racionālā humānisma gadus
09:21
in one 18 minute speech.
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ar 18 minūšu garu runu.
09:23
And there's probably people in this audience
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Un šajā auditorijā droši vien ir cilvēki,
09:26
who would raise really legitimate scientific suspicions
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kas izteiktu zinātniski ļoti pamatotas aizdomas
09:30
about the notion of, basically, fairies
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par tādām idejām kā fejas, kas visur seko cilvēkam
09:33
who follow people around rubbing fairy juice on their projects and stuff.
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un iesmērē tā projektus un ieceres ar savu brīnumziedi.
Es droši vien nevarēšu līdz galam par to pārliecināt.
09:38
I'm not, probably, going to bring you all along with me on this.
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09:42
But the question that I kind of want to pose is --
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Bet jautājums, ko es vēlos uzdot, ir:
ziniet, kāpēc gan ne?
09:45
you know, why not?
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Kāpēc to neuztvert šādi?
09:47
Why not think about it this way?
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Jo tas ir tikpat saprotami kā jebkas cits, ko jelkad esmu dzirdējusi
09:49
Because it makes as much sense as anything else I have ever heard
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09:53
in terms of explaining the utter maddening capriciousness
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kā skaidrojumu absolūti tracinošajai radošā procesa kaprizitātei.
09:57
of the creative process.
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09:58
A process which, as anybody who has ever tried to make something --
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Šī procesa, kas, kā ikviens, kas jelkad mēģinājis kaut ko radīt,
– principā visi klātesošie –, zina,
10:02
which is to say basically everyone here ---
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knows does not always behave rationally.
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ne vienmēr ir racionāls.
Un patiesībā tas dažreiz liekas gluži vai paranormāls.
10:07
And, in fact, can sometimes feel downright paranormal.
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10:11
I had this encounter recently
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Nesen es tikos ar neparasto amerikāņu dzejnieci Rutu Stounu,
10:13
where I met the extraordinary American poet Ruth Stone,
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10:17
who's now in her 90s, but she's been a poet her entire life
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kas nu ir vairāk nekā 90 gadu veca, bet visu dzīvi bijusi dzejniece,
10:20
and she told me that when she was growing up in rural Virginia,
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un viņa man teica, ka, augot Virdžīnijas lauku apvidū,
10:23
she would be out working in the fields,
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dažreiz strādājot uz lauka,
viņa jutusi un dzirdējusi dzejoli
10:25
and she said she would feel and hear a poem
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nākam pie viņas pār laukiem.
10:28
coming at her from over the landscape.
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Viņa teica, ka tas tuvojies kā pērkona negaiss.
10:30
And she said it was like a thunderous train of air.
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10:33
And it would come barreling down at her over the landscape.
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Tas brāzies pār laukiem viņai pretim.
Un, jūtot to nākam, – jo zeme zem kājām drebējusi –,
10:36
And she felt it coming, because it would shake the earth under her feet.
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viņa zinājusi, ka tobrīd viņai atliek tikai viens,
10:39
She knew that she had only one thing to do at that point,
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un tas, viņas vārdiem, bijis "skriet, ko kājas nes."
10:42
and that was to, in her words, "run like hell."
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10:44
And she would run like hell to the house
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Viņa skrējusi, ko kājas nes, uz mājām, un dzejolis viņai dzinies pa pēdām,
10:46
and she would be getting chased by this poem,
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un viss, kas viņai bijis jādara, bija jādabū papīrs un zīmulis,
10:48
and the whole deal was that she had to get to a piece of paper and a pencil
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lai paspētu to savākt kopā un pierakstīt, kad tas dārdēs viņai cauri.
10:52
fast enough so that when it thundered through her, she could collect it
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Dažreiz viņa nebijusi gana ātra,
10:56
and grab it on the page.
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10:57
And other times she wouldn't be fast enough,
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viņa skrējusi un skrējusi, bet nepaspējusi uz mājām,
10:59
so she'd be running and running, and she wouldn't get to the house
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un dzejolis izdārdējis caur viņu, un viņa to palaidusi garām.
11:02
and the poem would barrel through her and she would miss it
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Viņa teica, ka tas aizgājis tālāk pāri laukiem,
11:05
and she said it would continue on across the landscape,
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viņas vārdiem, "meklēt citu dzejnieku".
11:08
looking, as she put it "for another poet."
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Un dažreiz esot bijis tā, – šo vietu es nekad neaizmirsīšu –,
11:10
And then there were these times --
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11:11
this is the piece I never forgot --
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11:13
she said that there were moments where she would almost miss it, right?
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viņa teica, ka dažreiz viņa gandrīz to palaidusi garām.
Viņa skrējusi uz mājām un meklējusi papīru,
11:17
So, she's running to the house and she's looking for the paper
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un dzejolis gājis viņai cauri,
11:20
and the poem passes through her,
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11:21
and she grabs a pencil just as it's going through her,
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un viņa tvērusi zīmuli tieši tobrīd, kad tas gājis caur viņu.
11:24
and then she said, it was like she would reach out with her other hand
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Tas bijis tā, it kā viņa pasniegtos ar otru roku un noķertu to.
11:27
and she would catch it.
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Viņa noķērusi dzejoli aiz astes
11:29
She would catch the poem by its tail,
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un vilkusi to atpakaļ sevī,
11:31
and she would pull it backwards into her body
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11:33
as she was transcribing on the page.
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pierakstīdama uz papīra.
11:35
And in these instances, the poem would come up on the page perfect and intact
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Un šādās reizēs uzrakstīts dzejolis izdevies perfekts un nevainojams,
11:40
but backwards, from the last word to the first.
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bet no otras puses, lasot no pēdējā vārda uz sākumu.
11:43
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
11:45
So when I heard that I was like -- that's uncanny,
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To dzirdot, es nodomāju:
"Tas ir baismīgi, tas ir tieši tā, kā notiek mans radošais process."
11:50
that's exactly what my creative process is like.
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11:52
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
Tas it nemaz nelīdzinās manam procesam, es neesmu tāda caurule.
11:56
That's not at all what my creative process is -- I'm not the pipeline!
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11:59
I'm a mule, and the way that I have to work
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Es esmu darba zirgs, un man jāstrādā tā,
12:01
is I have to get up at the same time every day,
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ka jāceļas katru rītu vienā laikā
un jāsvīst, un jāstrādā, un jānopūlas grūtā darbā.
12:04
and sweat and labor and barrel through it really awkwardly.
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Bet pat es, ar savu darba zirga dabu,
12:06
But even I, in my mulishness,
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12:08
even I have brushed up against that thing, at times.
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pat es esmu ar to dažreiz sadūrusies
12:12
And I would imagine that a lot of you have too.
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un domāju, ka daudzi no jums arī.
12:14
You know, even I have had work or ideas come through me from a source
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Pat man ir bijuši darbi vai domas, kas iet man cauri no kāda avota,
ko es, godīgi sakot, nespēju noteikt.
12:18
that I honestly cannot identify.
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12:20
And what is that thing?
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Un kas tas īsti ir?
Un kā lai mēs pret to attiecamies tā, lai nesajuktu prātā,
12:22
And how are we to relate to it in a way that will not make us lose our minds,
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12:26
but, in fact, might actually keep us sane?
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bet gan gluži otrādi paliktu pieskaitāmi?
Manā skatījumā labākais mūsdienu piemērs, kā to paveikt,
12:29
And for me, the best contemporary example that I have of how to do that
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ir mūziķis Toms Veitss,
12:33
is the musician Tom Waits,
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12:35
who I got to interview several years ago on a magazine assignment.
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ko intervēju pirms dažiem gadiem kāda žurnāla uzdevumā.
12:39
And we were talking about this,
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Mēs par to runājām,
12:41
and you know, Tom, for most of his life, he was pretty much the embodiment
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un, ziniet, Toms lielāko daļu savas dzīves
ir bijis gluži vai iedvesmas plosīta mūsdienu mākslinieka iemiesojums,
12:44
of the tormented contemporary modern artist,
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kas mēģina kontrolēt, vadīt un pārvaldīt
12:47
trying to control and manage and dominate
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12:49
these sort of uncontrollable creative impulses
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šos it kā nekontrolējamos radošos impulsus,
12:51
that were totally internalized.
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kas ir pilnībā saplūduši ar viņu.
12:53
But then he got older, he got calmer,
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Bet tad viņš kļuva vecāks, rāmāks,
12:55
and one day he was driving down the freeway in Los Angeles,
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un kādu dienu, braucot pa Losandželosas lielceļu,
12:58
and this is when it all changed for him.
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viss viņā mainījās.
13:00
And he's speeding along, and all of a sudden
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Viņš traucas uz priekšu
un pēkšņi dzird īsu melodijas fragmentu,
13:02
he hears this little fragment of melody,
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kas iešaujas viņa prātā, kā to bieži dara iedvesma,
13:06
that comes into his head as inspiration often comes, elusive and tantalizing,
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nenotverami un mokoši.
Viņš to grib, tā ir lieliska,
13:10
and he wants it, it's gorgeous,
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13:12
and he longs for it, but he has no way to get it.
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un viņš pēc tās tīko, bet nekādi nevar to dabūt.
13:14
He doesn't have a piece of paper, or a pencil, or a tape recorder.
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Viņam nav ne papīra, ne zīmuļa, ne diktofona.
13:17
So he starts to feel all of that old anxiety start to rise in him
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Tā nu viņš sajūt atkal sakāpjam veco nemieru:
13:21
like, "I'm going to lose this thing,
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"Es to pazaudēšu, un šī dziesma mani vajās mūžīgi.
13:22
and I'll be be haunted by this song forever.
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13:24
I'm not good enough, and I can't do it."
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Es neesmu pietiekoši labs, es to nespēju."
13:26
And instead of panicking, he just stopped.
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Un tā vietā, lai kristu panikā, viņš apstājās.
13:28
He just stopped that whole mental process and he did something completely novel.
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Viņš apturēja visu šo prāta procesu un izdarīja kaut ko pilnīgi jaunu.
13:32
He just looked up at the sky, and he said,
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Viņš vienkārši paraudzījās debesīs un teica:
13:35
"Excuse me, can you not see that I'm driving?"
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"Atvaino, vai neredzi, ka es esmu pie stūres?"
13:38
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
"Vai tad izskatās, ka es tagad varu pierakstīt dziesmu?
13:42
"Do I look like I can write down a song right now?
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13:44
If you really want to exist, come back at a more opportune moment
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Ja tu tiešām vēlies eksistēt, atnāc kādā piemērotākā brīdī,
13:48
when I can take care of you.
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kad es varu par tevi parūpēties.
13:50
Otherwise, go bother somebody else today.
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Ja ne, tad ej un uzmācies kādam citam!
13:53
Go bother Leonard Cohen."
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Ej, uzmācies Leonardam Koenam!"
(Smiekli)
13:56
And his whole work process changed after that.
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Un viss viņa darba process kopš tā brīža mainījās.
13:59
Not the work, the work was still oftentimes as dark as ever.
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Ne pats darbs – pats darbs bieži vien arvien bija tikpat tumšs kā iepriekš.
14:03
But the process, and the heavy anxiety around it
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Bet process un ar to saistītais smagnējais nemiers bija atbrīvots,
14:06
was released when he took the genie, the genius out of him
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kad viņš šo džinu, ģēniju bija izlaidis no sevis, kur tas tikai traucēja,
14:09
where it was causing nothing but trouble, and released it back where it came from,
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un palaidis to atpakaļ, no kurienes tas nācis,
un sapratis, ka tam nav jāmīt viņā iekšā un jāmoka.
14:13
and realized that this didn't have to be this internalized, tormented thing.
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Tā var būt šī savādā, brīnumainā, dīvainā sadarbība,
14:17
It could be this peculiar, wondrous, bizarre collaboration,
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it kā saruna starp Tomu un svešo, ārējo,
14:20
kind of conversation between Tom and the strange, external thing
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14:24
that was not quite Tom.
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kas nav gluži Toms.
14:26
When I heard that story, it started to shift a little bit
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Kad dzirdēju šo stāstu, tas sāka mazliet mainīt arī to,
kā es pati strādāju, un reiz šī doma mani paglāba.
14:29
the way that I worked too, and this idea already saved me once.
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14:32
It saved me when I was in the middle of writing "Eat, Pray, Love,"
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Tā mani paglāba, kad biju pusē ar "Ēd, lūdzies, mīli"
14:35
and I fell into one of those sort of pits of despair
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un iekritu vienā no tām izmisuma bedrēm,
kur mēs visi iekrītam, kad pie kaut kā strādājam un tas nepadodas,
14:38
that we all fall into when we're working on something and it's not coming
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14:41
and you start to think this is going to be a disaster, the worst book ever written.
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un tu sāc domāt, ka tas būs šausmīgi, tā būs sliktākā jebkad uzrakstītā grāmata.
Ne tikai slikta, bet pati sliktākā jebkad uzrakstītā grāmata.
14:45
Not just bad, but the worst book ever written.
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Es sāku domāt, ka man jāatmet šis projekts.
14:48
And I started to think I should just dump this project.
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14:51
But then I remembered Tom talking to the open air
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Bet tad es atcerējos Tomu, kas runāja uz debesīm,
14:54
and I tried it.
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un es pamēģināju to.
14:56
So I just lifted my face up from the manuscript
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Es vienkārši pacēlu galvu no manuskripta
un uzrunāju tukšu istabas kaktu.
14:59
and I directed my comments to an empty corner of the room.
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Es skaļi teicu: "Klau, tu, kaut kas,
15:02
And I said aloud, "Listen you, thing,
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15:05
you and I both know that if this book isn't brilliant
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mēs abi zinām, ja šī grāmata nebūs lieliska,
15:08
that is not entirely my fault, right?
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tad tā nebūs tikai mana vaina.
15:10
Because you can see that I am putting everything I have into this,
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Jo tu redzi, ka es tajā ieguldu visu, kas man ir,
15:13
I don't have any more than this.
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man nav nekā vairāk.
Ja gribi, lai tā būtu labāka, tev jāierodas un jādara savs darbs.
15:15
If you want it to be better, you've got to show up and do your part of the deal.
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Bet, ja tu to nedarīsi, zini ko, pie velna to visu!
15:19
But if you don't do that, you know what, the hell with it.
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Es turpināšu rakstīt tik un tā, jo tas ir mans darbs.
15:22
I'm going to keep writing anyway because that's my job.
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15:24
And I would please like the record to reflect today
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Un es gribētu, lūdzu, atzīmēt,
ka es savu darba daļu šodien esmu izdarījusi."
15:27
that I showed up for my part of the job."
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(Smiekli)
15:29
(Laughter)
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15:32
Because --
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Jo...
(Aplausi)
15:34
(Applause)
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15:36
Because in the end it's like this, OK --
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Jo galu galā tas ir tā...
15:38
centuries ago in the deserts of North Africa,
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pirms vairākiem gadsimtiem Ziemeļāfrikas tuksnešos
cilvēki mēdza sanākt uz mēnesnīcas dejām, kas bija rituālas dejas un mūzika.
15:41
people used to gather for these moonlight dances of sacred dance and music
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that would go on for hours and hours, until dawn.
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Tās ilga stundām ilgi līdz rītausmai.
15:48
They were always magnificent, because the dancers were professionals
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Tās vienmēr bija krāšņas, jo dejotāji bija profesionāļi
15:51
and they were terrific, right?
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un viņi bija lieliski.
Bet šad tad, ļoti reti, kaut kas notika,
15:53
But every once in a while, very rarely, something would happen,
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15:56
and one of these performers would actually become transcendent.
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un kāds no šiem māksliniekiem kļuva patiešām neparasti izcils.
15:59
And I know you know what I'm talking about,
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Es zinu, ka jūs zināt, par ko es runāju,
jo zinu, ka jūs visi savā mūžā esat redzējuši šādu uzstāšanos.
16:02
because I know you've all seen, at some point in your life,
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a performance like this.
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Tas bija tā, it kā laiks apstātos
16:06
It was like time would stop,
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un dejotājs izkāptu caur kādu portālu,
16:08
and the dancer would sort of step through some kind of portal
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un viņš nedarīja neko citādāk,
16:11
and he wasn't doing anything different
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kā vienmēr bija darījis, tūkstošiem nakšu,
16:13
than he had ever done, 1,000 nights before,
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bet viss nostājās savās vietās.
16:15
but everything would align.
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16:16
And all of a sudden, he would no longer appear to be merely human.
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Pēkšņi viņš vairs nebija cilvēks vien.
Viņš iekšēji staroja un bija zemes apstarots,
16:20
He would be lit from within, and lit from below
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16:22
and all lit up on fire with divinity.
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un viss staroja dievišķā gaismā.
Un, kad tas notika, toreiz,
16:26
And when this happened, back then,
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people knew it for what it was, you know, they called it by its name.
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ļaudis zināja, kā to dēvēt, tam bija vārds.
16:32
They would put their hands together and they would start to chant,
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Tie sadevās rokās un skandēja:
16:35
"Allah, Allah, Allah, God, God, God."
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"Allāh, Allāh, Allāh." Dievs, Dievs, Dievs.
16:39
That's God, you know.
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Tas ir Dievs.
16:42
Curious historical footnote:
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Interesanta vēsturiska piezīme:
kad mauri iekaroja Dienvidspāniju, viņi atveda šo paražu sev līdzi,
16:45
when the Moors invaded southern Spain, they took this custom with them
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un izruna gadsimtu gaitā mainījās
16:50
and the pronunciation changed over the centuries
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no "Allāh, Allāh, Allāh," uz "Olē, olē, olē!",
16:52
from "Allah, Allah, Allah," to "Olé, olé, olé,"
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ko vēl arvien var dzirdēt vēršu cīņās un flamenko dejās.
16:55
which you still hear in bullfights and in flamenco dances.
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Spānijā, kad mākslinieks paveicis kaut ko neiespējamu un maģisku:
16:58
In Spain, when a performer has done something impossible and magic,
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17:01
"Allah, olé, olé, Allah, magnificent, bravo,"
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"Allāh, olē, olē, Allāh, brīnišķīgi, bravo!"
Neaptverami, re, kur tas ir: dievišķais mirklis.
17:05
incomprehensible, there it is -- a glimpse of God.
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17:08
Which is great, because we need that.
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Tas ir lieliski, jo mums tas ir vajadzīgs.
17:10
But, the tricky bit comes the next morning,
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Bet pašam dejotājam grūtākais brīdis ir nākamais rīts,
17:14
for the dancer himself, when he wakes up and discovers
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kad viņš pamostas un atklāj,
17:17
that it's Tuesday at 11 a.m., and he's no longer a glimpse of God.
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ka ir otrdiena, pulksten 11, un viņš vairs nav dievišķais mirklis.
17:21
He's just an aging mortal with really bad knees,
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Viņš ir vienkāršs, novecojošs mirstīgais ar sāpošiem ceļgaliem
17:24
and maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again.
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un varbūt nekad vairs nesasniegs tādas virsotnes.
Un varbūt neviens vairs nekad neskandēs Dieva vārdu, viņam dejojot,
17:29
And maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins,
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17:32
and what is he then to do with the rest of his life?
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un ko gan viņam atliek darīt visu atlikušo mūžu?
17:35
This is hard.
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Tas ir grūti.
Tā ir ļoti sāpīga samierināšanās radošajā dzīvē.
17:37
This is one of the most painful reconciliations to make
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17:39
in a creative life.
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Bet varbūt tai nav jābūt gluži tik mokošai,
17:42
But maybe it doesn't have to be quite so full of anguish
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ja jau no paša sākuma neesi ticējis,
17:45
if you never happened to believe, in the first place,
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17:48
that the most extraordinary aspects of your being came from you.
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ka pašas neparastākās tavas būtības šķautnes nāk no tevis paša.
17:52
But maybe if you just believed that they were on loan to you
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Bet varbūt, ja tu ticētu, ka tās tev bija aizdotas
17:55
from some unimaginable source for some exquisite portion of your life
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no kāda neiedomājama avota uz kādu spožu tavas dzīves brīdi,
lai tās nodotu tālāk kādam citam, kad darbs pabeigts,
17:59
to be passed along when you're finished,
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18:01
with somebody else.
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18:02
And, you know, if we think about it this way, it starts to change everything.
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Un, ziniet, ja mēs tā to uztveram, tas visu sāk mainīt.
18:07
This is how I've started to think,
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Tā es esmu sākusi domāt,
un tā es noteikti esmu domājusi šos pēdējos mēnešus,
18:09
and this is certainly how I've been thinking in the last few months
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18:12
as I've been working on the book that will soon be published,
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strādājot pie grāmatas, kas drīz nāks klajā,
18:15
as the dangerously, frighteningly over-anticipated follow up
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kas ir bīstami un biedējoši lielām cerībām apkrauts sekotājs
18:19
to my freakish success.
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maniem nenormālajiem panākumiem.
18:22
And what I have to sort of keep telling myself
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Un man sev nemitīgi jāatgādina
brīžos, kad es no tā krītu izmisumā: nebaidies!
18:25
when I get really psyched out about that is don't be afraid.
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Neļaujies iebiedēties! Dari savu darbu!
18:29
Don't be daunted. Just do your job.
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18:32
Continue to show up for your piece of it, whatever that might be.
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Turpini darīt savu darba daļu, lai kāda tā arī būtu!
18:35
If your job is to dance, do your dance.
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Ja tavs darbs ir dejot, tad dejo.
18:38
If the divine, cockeyed genius assigned to your case
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Ja dievišķais šķelmis ģēnijs, kas nozīmēts tavam darbam,
18:42
decides to let some sort of wonderment be glimpsed, for just one moment
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nolemj uz mirklīti piešķirt kādu brīnuma daļiņu
18:47
through your efforts, then "Olé!"
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caur taviem pūliņiem, tad "Olē!"
Bet, ja ne, dejo tik un tā!
18:50
And if not, do your dance anyhow.
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Un "Olē!" tev par tavu darbu.
18:53
And "Olé!" to you, nonetheless.
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18:54
I believe this and I feel that we must teach it.
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Es tam ticu un jūtu, ka mums tas jāmāca.
"Olē!" jums par jūsu darbu,
18:57
"Olé!" to you, nonetheless,
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18:58
just for having the sheer human love and stubbornness
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vienkārši par jūsu cilvēcisko mīlestību un spītu,
19:01
to keep showing up.
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ka darat savu darba daļu.
19:03
Thank you.
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Paldies.
(Aplausi)
19:05
(Applause)
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19:07
Thank you.
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Paldies.
(Aplausi)
19:09
(Applause)
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Džūna Koena: Olē!
19:12
June Cohen: Olé!
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19:13
(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
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