Your elusive creative genius | Elizabeth Gilbert

エリザベス・ギルバート "創造性をはぐくむには"

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2009-02-09 ・ TED


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Your elusive creative genius | Elizabeth Gilbert

エリザベス・ギルバート "創造性をはぐくむには"

5,171,807 views ・ 2009-02-09

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翻訳: Ai Kamimoto 校正: Yasushi Aoki
00:13
I am a writer.
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私は作家ですが―
00:14
Writing books is my profession but it's more than that, of course.
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書くことは 仕事以上のものです
00:18
It is also my great lifelong love and fascination.
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ずっと 情熱を注いできたし―
00:22
And I don't expect that that's ever going to change.
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今後もそれは 変わりません
00:25
But, that said, something kind of peculiar has happened recently
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と言いつつ 最近変わった体験をしました
00:30
in my life and in my career,
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公私にわたって…
00:32
which has caused me to have to recalibrate my whole relationship with this work.
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仕事への姿勢を 考え直すことになりました
00:37
And the peculiar thing is that I recently wrote this book,
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最近 回顧録を書き上げました 題名は―
00:40
this memoir called "Eat, Pray, Love"
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"食べ祈り愛する(Eat, Pray, Love)"
00:42
which, decidedly unlike any of my previous books,
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明らかに 今までの作品と違います
00:47
went out in the world for some reason, and became this big,
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どういうわけか 各国語に翻訳され―
00:50
mega-sensation, international bestseller thing.
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話題を呼び 世界的ベストセラーになりました
00:53
The result of which is that everywhere I go now,
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その結果として 今ではどこでも―
00:57
people treat me like I'm doomed.
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運が尽きたヒト扱いされます
00:59
Seriously -- doomed, doomed!
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本当に "もう終り" なんです
01:02
Like, they come up to me now, all worried, and they say,
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みんな 心配顔でこう言います
"あれを越えられなかったらと 不安では?"
01:05
"Aren't you afraid you're never going to be able to top that?
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01:09
Aren't you afraid you're going to keep writing for your whole life
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"不安にはならない? "
01:12
and you're never again going to create a book
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"一生書き続けようと―"
01:14
that anybody in the world cares about at all,
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"注目される本が書けないって"
01:17
ever again?"
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"もう 二度と"
01:19
So that's reassuring, you know.
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まあ 勇気づけられますこと
01:22
But it would be worse, except for that I happen to remember
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もっとヒドい経験もあります
01:25
that over 20 years ago, when I was a teenager,
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20年以上前 10代の頃 言ったのです
01:28
when I first started telling people that I wanted to be a writer,
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作家になりたい と
人々は今と同じ 不安顔でした
01:31
I was met with this same sort of fear-based reaction.
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"成功しなかったら?"
01:34
And people would say, "Aren't you afraid you're never going to have any success?
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01:37
Aren't you afraid the humiliation of rejection will kill you?
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"拒否される屈辱に耐えられる?"
01:40
Aren't you afraid that you're going to work your whole life at this craft
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"一生 書き続けて―"
"何も完成しなくて―"
01:44
and nothing's ever going to come of it
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"口は 失敗の苦汁に満たされ―"
01:46
and you're going to die on a scrap heap of broken dreams
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"破れた夢の山なす残骸の上で のたれ死んでも?"
01:48
with your mouth filled with bitter ash of failure?"
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(会場 笑)
01:51
(Laughter)
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01:52
Like that, you know.
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そんな感じでした
01:54
The answer -- the short answer to all those questions is, "Yes."
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これらの答えは 端的には"イエス" です
01:59
Yes, I'm afraid of all those things.
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もちろん不安です
02:01
And I always have been.
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常に不安です
02:03
And I'm afraid of many, many more things besides
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怖いものは山ほどあります
02:05
that people can't even guess at,
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他人が分らないものも…
02:07
like seaweed and other things that are scary.
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海藻など ゾッとします
02:11
But, when it comes to writing,
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でも執筆に関しては―
02:13
the thing that I've been sort of thinking about lately, and wondering about lately,
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最近 ずっと考え続けています
02:17
is why?
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理にかなってるか と
02:18
You know, is it rational?
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天職だと思うことを―
02:20
Is it logical that anybody should be expected
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02:22
to be afraid of the work that they feel they were put on this Earth to do.
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恐れるのが当然と みなされるのが?
02:27
And what is it specifically about creative ventures
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クリエイティブの世界が 他と違うのは―
02:31
that seems to make us really nervous about each other's mental health
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精神を気遣われる ということ
02:34
in a way that other careers kind of don't do, you know?
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他の職業では あまりないでしょう?
02:37
Like my dad, for example, was a chemical engineer
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父は 化学技術者でした
02:41
and I don't recall once in his 40 years of chemical engineering
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私の記憶では 40年勤めた間に―
02:45
anybody asking him if he was afraid to be a chemical engineer, you know?
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仕事が不安か と訊いた人はいません
02:49
"That chemical-engineering block, John, how's it going?"
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"最近 化学技術スランプは大丈夫?"
02:54
It just didn't come up like that, you know?
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ありえないでしょう?
02:57
But to be fair, chemical engineers as a group
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もっとも 化学技術者のほうは―
03:00
haven't really earned a reputation over the centuries
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何世紀も 風評とは無縁です
03:03
for being alcoholic manic-depressives.
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"躁うつの飲んだくれ" という風評とは…
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(Laughter)
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(会場 笑)
03:07
We writers, we kind of do have that reputation,
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作家には つきものです
03:10
and not just writers, but creative people across all genres,
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いえ 全クリエイティブ業界で…
03:14
it seems, have this reputation for being enormously mentally unstable.
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精神不安定で 知られているし―
03:19
And all you have to do is look at the very grim death count
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無残な死者の数を見ても 明らかです
03:22
in the 20th century alone, of really magnificent creative minds
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20世紀だけで 偉大な創作者たちが―
03:26
who died young and often at their own hands, you know?
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どれだけ 早世し自殺しているか
03:29
And even the ones who didn't literally commit suicide
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実際の自殺でなく―
03:32
seem to be really undone by their gifts, you know.
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自分の才能に殺された人もいます
03:36
Norman Mailer, just before he died, last interview, he said,
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ノーマン メイラーは生前 言いました
03:39
"Every one of my books has killed me a little more."
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"作品が ジワジワと私を殺す"
03:43
An extraordinary statement to make about your life's work.
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ライフワークに対し 尋常ではない考え方ですが―
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But we don't even blink when we hear somebody say this,
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誰も驚かないでしょう
03:49
because we've heard that kind of stuff for so long
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長年 聞き慣れた話ですから
03:52
and somehow we've completely internalized and accepted collectively
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当然のことと 捉えられています
03:56
this notion that creativity and suffering are somehow inherently linked
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創造に苦悩はつきものであり―
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and that artistry, in the end, will always ultimately lead to anguish.
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芸術性は 必ず最終的に苦痛をもたらすと…
04:06
And the question that I want to ask everybody here today
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今日の提起は ここです
04:08
is are you guys all cool with that idea?
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これで いいと思います?
04:11
Are you comfortable with that?
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変だと思いません?
04:13
Because you look at it even from an inch away and, you know --
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よく考えてみても…?
04:16
I'm not at all comfortable with that assumption.
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私には 引っかかります
04:19
I think it's odious.
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忌まわしいし―
04:21
And I also think it's dangerous,
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危険な発想でしょう
04:23
and I don't want to see it perpetuated into the next century.
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次世紀に残してほしくない
むしろ生き続けるよう 励ますべきでは?
04:26
I think it's better if we encourage our great creative minds to live.
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04:29
And I definitely know that, in my case -- in my situation --
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自分の状況から見ても 分かります
04:35
it would be very dangerous for me to start sort of leaking down that dark path
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あの暗い前提を 受け入れるのは―
04:40
of assumption,
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危険でしょう ことに私の―
04:42
particularly given the circumstance that I'm in right now in my career.
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今の状況を 考えるなら…
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Which is -- you know, like check it out,
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つまり… この通り―
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I'm pretty young, I'm only about 40 years old.
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まだ若く 40そこそこ
仕事も あと40年続けるかもしれない
04:51
I still have maybe another four decades of work left in me.
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04:54
And it's exceedingly likely that anything I write from this point forward
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今から先 書き上げるものは間違いなく―
04:58
is going to be judged by the world as the work that came after
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この前出版した本と 比較されるんです
05:01
the freakish success of my last book, right?
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信じられないぐらい売れたあの本と…
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I should just put it bluntly, because we're all sort of friends here now --
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ここだけの話 率直に言うと―
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it's exceedingly likely that my greatest success is behind me.
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今後 代表作を書ける見込みは低いんです
05:13
So Jesus, what a thought!
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ああ なんてこと!
05:15
That's the kind of thought that could lead a person
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こんな風に考えて 人は―
05:17
to start drinking gin at nine o'clock in the morning,
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朝9時からジンを飲むようになるんです
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and I don't want to go there.
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それは ごめんです
05:23
(Laughter)
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(会場 笑)
05:24
I would prefer to keep doing this work that I love.
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好きな仕事を続けたい
そこで考えます "どうやって?"
05:27
And so, the question becomes, how?
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05:30
And so, it seems to me, upon a lot of reflection,
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振り返って じっくり考えました
05:33
that the way that I have to work now, in order to continue writing,
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書き続けるために なすべきことは―
05:36
is that I have to create some sort of protective psychological construct, right?
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心理的に守れるものを作ることだろう と
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I have to sort of find some way to have a safe distance
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安全な距離を 保てるようになること
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between me, as I am writing, and my very natural anxiety
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作家としての私と 未来の作品の評価を―
05:48
about what the reaction to that writing is going to be, from now on.
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心配する私の間に…
05:52
And, as I've been looking, over the last year,
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昨年中 手本を探し続けました
05:55
for models for how to do that,
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05:57
I've been sort of looking across time,
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歴史も さかのぼり―
05:59
and I've been trying to find other societies
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様々な社会も 探りました
06:01
to see if they might have had better and saner ideas than we have
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より良く まっとうな見解はないかと
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about how to help creative people
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創作者を助け 創作につきものの―
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sort of manage the inherent emotional risks of creativity.
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精神的リスクを管理できないか…
06:11
And that search has led me to ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
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古代ギリシャとローマにありました
06:16
So stay with me, because it does circle around and back.
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ついて来て下さい じき戻りますから
06:18
But, ancient Greece and ancient Rome --
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古代のギリシャとローマでは―
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people did not happen to believe that creativity
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信じられていませんでした
06:23
came from human beings back then, OK?
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人間に創造性が備わっているとは…
06:25
People believed that creativity was this divine attendant spirit
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創造性は 人に付き添う精霊で―
06:30
that came to human beings from some distant and unknowable source,
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遠く未知のところから来たのです
06:34
for distant and unknowable reasons.
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人間の理解を超えた動機から…
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The Greeks famously called these divine attendant spirits of creativity "daemons."
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古代ギリシャ人は 精霊を"ダイモン"と呼びました
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Socrates, famously, believed that he had a daemon
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ソクラテスは ダイモンがついていると信じていた
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who spoke wisdom to him from afar.
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遠くから叡智を語ってきたと…
06:47
The Romans had the same idea,
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ローマ人も同様でしたが―
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but they called that sort of disembodied creative spirit a genius.
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肉体のない創造の霊を"ジーニアス" と呼びました
06:53
Which is great, because the Romans did not actually think
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彼らは "ジーニアス(天才)" を―
06:56
that a genius was a particularly clever individual.
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能力の秀でた個人とは 考えなかった
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They believed that a genius was this, sort of magical divine entity,
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あの精霊のことだと 考えていました
07:03
who was believed to literally live in the walls of an artist's studio,
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アトリエの壁の中に生き―
ハリーポッターの妖精ドビーのように…
07:08
kind of like Dobby the house elf,
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07:10
and who would come out
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創作活動をこっそり手伝い―
07:12
and sort of invisibly assist the artist with their work
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作品を形作るんです
07:15
and would shape the outcome of that work.
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07:17
So brilliant -- there it is, right there, that distance that I'm talking about --
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素晴らしい! 先ほど話した"距離"が存在します
07:21
that psychological construct to protect you from the results of your work.
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作品の評価から 心理的に守られるものが…
07:25
And everyone knew that this is how it functioned, right?
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そういうものだと 人々は信じていました
07:29
So the ancient artist was protected from certain things,
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古代のアーティストは 守られていたのです
07:31
like, for example, too much narcissism, right?
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たとえば 過剰な自惚れから
07:34
If your work was brilliant, you couldn't take all the credit for it,
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どんなに立派な作品でも 自分だけの功績ではない
07:37
everybody knew that you had this disembodied genius who had helped you.
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霊が助けたと 知られていたからです
07:41
If your work bombed, not entirely your fault, you know?
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失敗しても 自分だけのせいじゃない
07:44
Everyone knew your genius was kind of lame.
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"ジーニアス" が ダメだったんです
07:47
(Laughter)
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この考えは 長らく西洋に浸透していましたが―
07:48
And this is how people thought about creativity in the West
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07:51
for a really long time.
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ルネッサンスが全てを変えました
07:53
And then the Renaissance came and everything changed,
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07:55
and we had this big idea, and the big idea was,
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とてつもない考えが現れた
07:57
let's put the individual human being at the center of the universe
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世界の中心に 人間を置こうではないかと
全ての神と神秘の上に…
08:01
above all gods and mysteries,
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08:02
and there's no more room for mystical creatures
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神の言葉を伝える謎の生き物は 消えた…
08:05
who take dictation from the divine.
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08:06
And it's the beginning of rational humanism,
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合理的人文主義の 誕生です
08:08
and people started to believe that creativity
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人々も信じ始めました
創造性は 個人の内から現れるのだと
08:11
came completely from the self of the individual.
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08:13
And for the first time in history,
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史上初めて―
08:15
you start to hear people referring to this or that artist as being a genius,
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芸術家が "ジーニアス" と呼ばれるようになりました
08:20
rather than having a genius.
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"ジーニアス" が側にいるのではない
08:22
And I got to tell you, I think that was a huge error.
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これは大きな間違いですよ
08:25
You know, I think that allowing somebody, one mere person
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たった一人の人間を―
08:29
to believe that he or she is like, the vessel,
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男でも女でも 一人の人を―
08:32
you know, like the font and the essence and the source
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神聖で創造的な謎の―
本質で源だと 信じさせるなんて
08:35
of all divine, creative, unknowable, eternal mystery
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08:38
is just a smidge too much responsibility to put on one fragile, human psyche.
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繊細な人間の心には 少し重荷では?
08:44
It's like asking somebody to swallow the sun.
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太陽を飲めと 言うようなものです
08:48
It just completely warps and distorts egos,
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歪んだエゴでしょう
08:50
and it creates all these unmanageable expectations about performance.
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それが 作品への過剰な期待を作り―
08:54
And I think the pressure of that
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その期待へのプレッシャーが―
08:56
has been killing off our artists for the last 500 years.
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過去500年 芸術家たちを殺してきたんです
08:59
And, if this is true,
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もしこれが事実なら―
09:02
and I think it is true,
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事実だと思いますが―
09:03
the question becomes, what now?
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問題は 今後です
09:06
Can we do this differently?
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他に道は ないでしょうか?
09:08
Maybe go back to some more ancient understanding
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創造性の謎と 上手に付き合うには―
09:12
about the relationship between humans and the creative mystery.
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昔の考え方に ならえばいい?
09:16
Maybe not.
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恐らく無理でしょう
09:17
Maybe we can't just erase 500 years of rational humanistic thought
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500年に及ぶ 合理的人文思想を消すのは…
09:21
in one 18 minute speech.
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18分のスピーチでは ね
09:23
And there's probably people in this audience
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恐らく この会場にも―
09:26
who would raise really legitimate scientific suspicions
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科学的な正当性を 疑う人がいるでしょう
09:30
about the notion of, basically, fairies
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妖精というアイデアに…
09:33
who follow people around rubbing fairy juice on their projects and stuff.
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彼らが 作品に甘い蜜をかけるなんて?
09:38
I'm not, probably, going to bring you all along with me on this.
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深入りは しませんが―
09:42
But the question that I kind of want to pose is --
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提起したいのは ここです
09:45
you know, why not?
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"いいじゃない?"
09:47
Why not think about it this way?
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"何がいけない?" と
09:49
Because it makes as much sense as anything else I have ever heard
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今まで聞いたどの話より 納得いきます
09:53
in terms of explaining the utter maddening capriciousness
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創作過程の 意味不明な気まぐれが―
09:57
of the creative process.
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説明できます
09:58
A process which, as anybody who has ever tried to make something --
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何か創ろうとした人なら分かる―
つまり皆さん ご存知のあの―
10:02
which is to say basically everyone here ---
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10:04
knows does not always behave rationally.
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非合理な過程です
10:07
And, in fact, can sometimes feel downright paranormal.
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ときに超常現象とさえ感じられる…
10:11
I had this encounter recently
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最近 非凡な詩人 ルース ストーンに会いました
10:13
where I met the extraordinary American poet Ruth Stone,
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10:17
who's now in her 90s, but she's been a poet her entire life
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90を超えても現役の詩人です
10:20
and she told me that when she was growing up in rural Virginia,
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彼女はバージニアの田舎で育ち―
10:23
she would be out working in the fields,
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畑仕事をしていた時に―
10:25
and she said she would feel and hear a poem
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詩の到来を 感じたそうです
10:28
coming at her from over the landscape.
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大地の彼方から やってくるのを…
10:30
And she said it was like a thunderous train of air.
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ものすごい一群の風のようなものが―
10:33
And it would come barreling down at her over the landscape.
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大地を越えて突進してくるのを―
地面の振動を感じて 察したそうです
10:36
And she felt it coming, because it would shake the earth under her feet.
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10:39
She knew that she had only one thing to do at that point,
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なすべきことは ただ一つ
10:42
and that was to, in her words, "run like hell."
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"がむしゃらに走る" こと
10:44
And she would run like hell to the house
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がむしゃらに家へ走り―
10:46
and she would be getting chased by this poem,
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詩に追われながら―
素早く 紙と鉛筆を手に取り―
10:48
and the whole deal was that she had to get to a piece of paper and a pencil
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詩が 身体を通り抜ける時に―
10:52
fast enough so that when it thundered through her, she could collect it
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つかまえ 書き留める
間に合わない時もありました
10:56
and grab it on the page.
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10:57
And other times she wouldn't be fast enough,
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走って走って… 間に合わず―
10:59
so she'd be running and running, and she wouldn't get to the house
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身体から素早く 抜けてしまった
11:02
and the poem would barrel through her and she would miss it
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彼女によると "恐らくそのまま―
11:05
and she said it would continue on across the landscape,
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次の詩人を探しに行った" と
11:08
looking, as she put it "for another poet."
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別の機会には―
11:10
And then there were these times --
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11:11
this is the piece I never forgot --
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これは秀逸ですが―
11:13
she said that there were moments where she would almost miss it, right?
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逃がしそうな時が ありました
11:17
So, she's running to the house and she's looking for the paper
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必死で走り 紙を探し―
詩が身体を通り―
11:20
and the poem passes through her,
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11:21
and she grabs a pencil just as it's going through her,
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抜けようとした瞬間 鉛筆をつかみ―
11:24
and then she said, it was like she would reach out with her other hand
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もう一方の手を伸ばし―
捕まえたそうです
11:27
and she would catch it.
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詩の 尻尾をつかみ―
11:29
She would catch the poem by its tail,
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身体の中に 尻尾の方から取り込み―
11:31
and she would pull it backwards into her body
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11:33
as she was transcribing on the page.
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書き写していったんです
11:35
And in these instances, the poem would come up on the page perfect and intact
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詩は完璧に出来ましたが―
11:40
but backwards, from the last word to the first.
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全て 逆さまでした
11:43
(Laughter)
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(会場 笑)
11:45
So when I heard that I was like -- that's uncanny,
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それを聞いて思ったんです "まさか"と
11:50
that's exactly what my creative process is like.
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私のやり方とソックリだったので
11:52
(Laughter)
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(会場 笑)
11:56
That's not at all what my creative process is -- I'm not the pipeline!
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身体を通る部分じゃないですよ!
11:59
I'm a mule, and the way that I have to work
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私は頑固なので 仕事は―
12:01
is I have to get up at the same time every day,
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毎朝 同じ時間に起き―
苦心してコツコツ書いています
12:04
and sweat and labor and barrel through it really awkwardly.
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そんな私でも―
12:06
But even I, in my mulishness,
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12:08
even I have brushed up against that thing, at times.
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出合う瞬間があります
12:12
And I would imagine that a lot of you have too.
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皆さんも経験あるでしょう
12:14
You know, even I have had work or ideas come through me from a source
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アイデアが降りてくるんです
12:18
that I honestly cannot identify.
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どこからともなく
12:20
And what is that thing?
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これは一体?
12:22
And how are we to relate to it in a way that will not make us lose our minds,
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取り乱さずに どう対処しましょう?
12:26
but, in fact, might actually keep us sane?
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正気を保ちながら?
12:29
And for me, the best contemporary example that I have of how to do that
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対処法の現代における お手本は―
12:33
is the musician Tom Waits,
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ミュージシャンの トム ウェイツです
12:35
who I got to interview several years ago on a magazine assignment.
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数年前 雑誌の取材で会い―
12:39
And we were talking about this,
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この話をしました
12:41
and you know, Tom, for most of his life, he was pretty much the embodiment
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彼の人生は 典型的な―
12:44
of the tormented contemporary modern artist,
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苦悩する現代アーティストでした
扱いにくい創作の衝動を―
12:47
trying to control and manage and dominate
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12:49
these sort of uncontrollable creative impulses
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制しようと苦心していました
12:51
that were totally internalized.
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内面の衝動を…
12:53
But then he got older, he got calmer,
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歳をとり 穏やかになり―
12:55
and one day he was driving down the freeway in Los Angeles,
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ある日 L.A.のフリーウェイを走っていて―
12:58
and this is when it all changed for him.
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全てが変わりました
13:00
And he's speeding along, and all of a sudden
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飛ばしていたら 突然―
13:02
he hears this little fragment of melody,
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頭に 曲の断片が聴こえてきた
13:06
that comes into his head as inspiration often comes, elusive and tantalizing,
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とらえ難くもどかしい 閃きとして…
13:10
and he wants it, it's gorgeous,
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たまりません 素晴らしくて―
13:12
and he longs for it, but he has no way to get it.
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待ち望んだ瞬間なのに―
13:14
He doesn't have a piece of paper, or a pencil, or a tape recorder.
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紙も鉛筆もないんです
テープレコーダーもない
13:17
So he starts to feel all of that old anxiety start to rise in him
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いつもの焦燥に 駆られました
"これを逃して―"
13:21
like, "I'm going to lose this thing,
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13:22
and I'll be be haunted by this song forever.
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"一生悩まされる"
13:24
I'm not good enough, and I can't do it."
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"俺はダメだ 無理だ"
13:26
And instead of panicking, he just stopped.
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慌てる代わりに 止めました
13:28
He just stopped that whole mental process and he did something completely novel.
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思考回路を止め―
斬新な行動に出ました
13:32
He just looked up at the sky, and he said,
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空を見上げ―
13:35
"Excuse me, can you not see that I'm driving?"
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"なあ 運転してるのが分からないのか?"
13:38
(Laughter)
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(会場 笑)
13:42
"Do I look like I can write down a song right now?
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"今 曲が書けるとでも?"
13:44
If you really want to exist, come back at a more opportune moment
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"書いてもらいたきゃ 出直して来いよ"
13:48
when I can take care of you.
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"面倒見てやれる時に"
13:50
Otherwise, go bother somebody else today.
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"でなけりゃ 他所をあたってくれ"
13:53
Go bother Leonard Cohen."
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"レナード コーエンにでも"
13:56
And his whole work process changed after that.
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以降 作曲の姿勢が変わったそうです
13:59
Not the work, the work was still oftentimes as dark as ever.
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作風は変わりないですが―
14:03
But the process, and the heavy anxiety around it
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作曲の姿勢と それに伴う不安は―
14:06
was released when he took the genie, the genius out of him
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"ジーニアス"を出したら 消えたのです
14:09
where it was causing nothing but trouble, and released it back where it came from,
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問題の元を 本来の場所に返し―
葛藤しなくても良いと 気付きました
14:13
and realized that this didn't have to be this internalized, tormented thing.
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奇妙で一風変わった 共同作業です
14:17
It could be this peculiar, wondrous, bizarre collaboration,
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14:20
kind of conversation between Tom and the strange, external thing
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彼と 変わった外部のモノとの対話…
14:24
that was not quite Tom.
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別モノとの対話です
14:26
When I heard that story, it started to shift a little bit
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この話を聞いて 私も少し―
14:29
the way that I worked too, and this idea already saved me once.
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仕事の姿勢を変え 助かったんです
14:32
It saved me when I was in the middle of writing "Eat, Pray, Love,"
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あのベストセラーを執筆中―
14:35
and I fell into one of those sort of pits of despair
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絶望に陥ったとき―
14:38
that we all fall into when we're working on something and it's not coming
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頑張っても 上手く行かず―
14:41
and you start to think this is going to be a disaster, the worst book ever written.
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悲惨な結末を考え始めました
最悪になるわ と
14:45
Not just bad, but the worst book ever written.
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悪いどころか史上最悪!
葬ろうかと思い始めた時に―
14:48
And I started to think I should just dump this project.
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14:51
But then I remembered Tom talking to the open air
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トムの話を思い出し―
14:54
and I tried it.
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やってみました
14:56
So I just lifted my face up from the manuscript
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原稿から顔を上げ―
14:59
and I directed my comments to an empty corner of the room.
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部屋の片隅に話しかけたんです
15:02
And I said aloud, "Listen you, thing,
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"ちょっと" と声に出して
15:05
you and I both know that if this book isn't brilliant
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"仮に この本がイマイチでも―"
15:08
that is not entirely my fault, right?
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"私一人の責任じゃないわよね?"
15:10
Because you can see that I am putting everything I have into this,
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"全力投球なのは分かるでしょ?"
15:13
I don't have any more than this.
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"これ以上は無理"
15:15
If you want it to be better, you've got to show up and do your part of the deal.
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"良くしたければ 役目を果たして"
"その気がないなら いいわよ"
15:19
But if you don't do that, you know what, the hell with it.
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"私は自分の役目を果たすだけ"
15:22
I'm going to keep writing anyway because that's my job.
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15:24
And I would please like the record to reflect today
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"しっかり書いておいてね"
"私は やることやったって"
15:27
that I showed up for my part of the job."
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(会場 笑)
15:29
(Laughter)
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15:32
Because --
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だって―
15:34
(Applause)
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(会場 拍手)
15:36
Because in the end it's like this, OK --
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ご覧の通りじゃないですか?
15:38
centuries ago in the deserts of North Africa,
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昔 北アフリカの砂漠では―
15:41
people used to gather for these moonlight dances of sacred dance and music
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月夜に 踊りと歌の祭典がありました
15:45
that would go on for hours and hours, until dawn.
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明け方まで何時間も
15:48
They were always magnificent, because the dancers were professionals
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見事なものです プロの踊り手は―
15:51
and they were terrific, right?
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素晴らしいです
たまに ごくまれに―
15:53
But every once in a while, very rarely, something would happen,
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15:56
and one of these performers would actually become transcendent.
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踊り手が 一線を越えることがある
15:59
And I know you know what I'm talking about,
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何の話か お分かりですよね
16:02
because I know you've all seen, at some point in your life,
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そんな場面に出合ったことありません?
16:05
a performance like this.
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16:06
It was like time would stop,
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まるで時が止まり―
16:08
and the dancer would sort of step through some kind of portal
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踊り手が ある境界を抜ける…
いつもの踊りと 変わらないはずなのに―
16:11
and he wasn't doing anything different
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16:13
than he had ever done, 1,000 nights before,
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16:15
but everything would align.
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すべてが符合し―
16:16
And all of a sudden, he would no longer appear to be merely human.
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突然 人間には見えなくなる
内から足元から輝き―
16:20
He would be lit from within, and lit from below
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16:22
and all lit up on fire with divinity.
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神々しく燃え上がるんです
16:26
And when this happened, back then,
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当時の人々は そんな時―
16:28
people knew it for what it was, you know, they called it by its name.
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何が起きたか察し その名を呼びます
16:32
They would put their hands together and they would start to chant,
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両手を合わせて 唱え始めます
16:35
"Allah, Allah, Allah, God, God, God."
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"アラー アラー 神よ 神よ"
16:39
That's God, you know.
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"あれは神だ" と
16:42
Curious historical footnote:
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歴史の本によると―
16:45
when the Moors invaded southern Spain, they took this custom with them
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ムーア人は南スペイン侵攻時 その慣習も持ち込みました
16:50
and the pronunciation changed over the centuries
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長年かけて発音も変わり―
16:52
from "Allah, Allah, Allah," to "Olé, olé, olé,"
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"アラー アラー" から "オレー オレー" へ…
16:55
which you still hear in bullfights and in flamenco dances.
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今でも闘牛とフラメンコで耳にします
16:58
In Spain, when a performer has done something impossible and magic,
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スペインでは 演者の驚異的な動きに―
17:01
"Allah, olé, olé, Allah, magnificent, bravo,"
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"アラー オレー" "すごい! ブラボー!"
17:05
incomprehensible, there it is -- a glimpse of God.
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神を垣間見るんです
17:08
Which is great, because we need that.
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素晴らしい まさにこれです
17:10
But, the tricky bit comes the next morning,
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ただし厄介なのは 翌朝です
17:14
for the dancer himself, when he wakes up and discovers
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踊り手が目覚めると―
17:17
that it's Tuesday at 11 a.m., and he's no longer a glimpse of God.
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火曜の朝11時で もう神はいません
17:21
He's just an aging mortal with really bad knees,
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膝の悪い老いた人間が一人…
17:24
and maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again.
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恐らく あの高みに再び上ることも―
17:29
And maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins,
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回転しても 神の名を呼ぶ人もない…
17:32
and what is he then to do with the rest of his life?
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残りの人生は?
17:35
This is hard.
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つらいことです
17:37
This is one of the most painful reconciliations to make
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最も辛い現実です
17:39
in a creative life.
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創造的な人生上で…
17:42
But maybe it doesn't have to be quite so full of anguish
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いえ そこまで酷くないかも…
17:45
if you never happened to believe, in the first place,
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もし初めから 非凡な才能が自分に―
17:48
that the most extraordinary aspects of your being came from you.
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備わっていたと 信じなければ…
17:52
But maybe if you just believed that they were on loan to you
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その力が借り物だと 思い―
17:55
from some unimaginable source for some exquisite portion of your life
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謎の源から 人生に添えられ―
17:59
to be passed along when you're finished,
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終えたら 他へ行くものと思えば…
18:01
with somebody else.
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18:02
And, you know, if we think about it this way, it starts to change everything.
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そう考えれば 全て変わります
18:07
This is how I've started to think,
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私も そう考え始め―
18:09
and this is certainly how I've been thinking in the last few months
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この数ヶ月 考え続けてきました
18:12
as I've been working on the book that will soon be published,
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もうすぐ出る本を 書いている間に…
18:15
as the dangerously, frighteningly over-anticipated follow up
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危険なほど期待された最新作―
18:19
to my freakish success.
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異常な成功の 次の作品です
18:22
And what I have to sort of keep telling myself
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自分に言い聞かせ続けました
18:25
when I get really psyched out about that is don't be afraid.
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のまれそうになった時に―
恐れない
18:29
Don't be daunted. Just do your job.
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ひるまない
やることをやるだけ
18:32
Continue to show up for your piece of it, whatever that might be.
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結果を気にせず 続けよ と
18:35
If your job is to dance, do your dance.
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踊るのが仕事なら 踊るだけ
18:38
If the divine, cockeyed genius assigned to your case
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気まぐれな精霊が 割り当てられ―
18:42
decides to let some sort of wonderment be glimpsed, for just one moment
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あなたの努力に対し 一瞬でも奇跡を―
18:47
through your efforts, then "Olé!"
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見せてくれたら… "オレー!"
見せてくれずとも踊るだけ
18:50
And if not, do your dance anyhow.
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18:53
And "Olé!" to you, nonetheless.
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それでも 自分に"オレー" と
18:54
I believe this and I feel that we must teach it.
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そう信じますし 広めませんか
それでも"オレー" と
18:57
"Olé!" to you, nonetheless,
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18:58
just for having the sheer human love and stubbornness
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真の人間愛と 不屈の精神を―
19:01
to keep showing up.
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持ち続けることに対し…
19:03
Thank you.
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有難うございました
19:05
(Applause)
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(会場 拍手)
19:07
Thank you.
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ありがとう
19:09
(Applause)
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(会場 拍手)
19:12
June Cohen: Olé!
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"オレー!"
19:13
(Applause)
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(会場 拍手)
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