Your elusive creative genius | Elizabeth Gilbert

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Avigail Burstein ืžื‘ืงืจ: Shlomo Adam
00:13
I am a writer.
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ืื ื™ ืกื•ืคืจืช.
00:14
Writing books is my profession but it's more than that, of course.
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ื›ืชื™ื‘ืช ืกืคืจื™ื ื”ื™ื ืžืงืฆื•ืขื™, ืืš ื”ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื–ื”, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ.
00:18
It is also my great lifelong love and fascination.
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ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืื”ื‘ืช ื—ื™ื™ ื•ืžื•ืฉื ืชืฉื•ืงืชื™.
00:22
And I don't expect that that's ever going to change.
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ื•ืื™ื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—ื” ืฉื–ื” ืขืชื™ื“ ืœื”ืฉืชื ื•ืช.
00:25
But, that said, something kind of peculiar has happened recently
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ืื‘ืœ, ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื–ื”, ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื•ื–ืจ ืงืจื” ืœืื—ืจื•ื ื”
00:30
in my life and in my career,
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ื‘ื—ื™ื™ ื•ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™,
00:32
which has caused me to have to recalibrate my whole relationship with this work.
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ืฉื’ืจื ืœื™ ืœืืจื’ืŸ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžืขืจื›ืช ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืขื ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื™.
00:37
And the peculiar thing is that I recently wrote this book,
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ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืžืฉื•ื ื” ื”ื•ื ืฉืœืื—ืจื•ื ื” ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื”,
00:40
this memoir called "Eat, Pray, Love"
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ืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืฉืžื• "ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ, ืœืื”ื•ื‘"
00:42
which, decidedly unlike any of my previous books,
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ืืฉืจ, ื‘ืฉื•ื ื” ืžื›ืœ ื”ืกืคืจื™ื ื”ืงื•ื“ืžื™ื ืฉืœื™,
00:47
went out in the world for some reason, and became this big,
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ื™ืฆื ืœืขื•ืœื ืžืกื™ื‘ื” ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžืช, ื”ื›ื” ื’ืœื™ื,
00:50
mega-sensation, international bestseller thing.
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ื•ื”ืคืš ืœืจื‘-ืžื›ืจ ื”ื™ืกื˜ืจื™ ื•ื‘ื™ื ืœืื•ืžื™ ืฉื›ื–ื”.
00:53
The result of which is that everywhere I go now,
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ื•ื›ืชื•ืฆืื” ืžื›ืš, ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ืฉืืœื™ื• ืื ื™ ืžื’ื™ืขื” ื”ื™ื•ื,
00:57
people treat me like I'm doomed.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชื™ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืืœื™ ื›ืื™ืœื• ื ื—ืจืฅ ื’ื•ืจืœื™.
00:59
Seriously -- doomed, doomed!
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ื‘ื—ื™ื™ - ืžืžืฉ ื”ืกื•ืฃ ืฉืœื™!
01:02
Like, they come up to me now, all worried, and they say,
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ื”ื ื ื™ื’ืฉื™ื ืืœื™ ื‘ื“ืื’ื” ื•ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื™,
"ืื™ื ืš ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืชืฆืœื™ื—ื™ ืœื”ืชืขืœื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ื™ืฉื’ ื–ื”?
01:05
"Aren't you afraid you're never going to be able to top that?
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01:09
Aren't you afraid you're going to keep writing for your whole life
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ืื™ื ืš ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉืชืžืฉื™ื›ื™ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ื›ืœ ื—ื™ื™ืš
01:12
and you're never again going to create a book
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ื•ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืชื•ืฆื™ืื™ ืกืคืจ
01:14
that anybody in the world cares about at all,
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ืฉื™ืขื•ืจืจ ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื•ืœื• ื‘ืื“ื ืื—ื“,
01:17
ever again?"
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ืœืขื•ืœื?"
01:19
So that's reassuring, you know.
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ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžืจื’ื™ืข, ื›ืžื• ืฉืืชื ืžืชืืจื™ื ืœืขืฆืžื›ื.
01:22
But it would be worse, except for that I happen to remember
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืขืœื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข ืื™ืœื•ืœื ื–ื›ืจืชื™ ื‘ืžืงืจื”
01:25
that over 20 years ago, when I was a teenager,
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ืฉืœืคื ื™ 20 ืฉื ื”, ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื, ื›ื ืขืจื”,
01:28
when I first started telling people that I wanted to be a writer,
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ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืกื•ืคืจืช,
ื ืชืงืœืชื™ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ื—ืฉืฉื ื™ืช.
01:31
I was met with this same sort of fear-based reaction.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื™ "ืื™ื ืš ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืชืฆืœื™ื—ื™?
01:34
And people would say, "Aren't you afraid you're never going to have any success?
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01:37
Aren't you afraid the humiliation of rejection will kill you?
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ืื™ื ืš ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉื”ื”ืฉืคืœื” ืžื”ื“ื—ื™ื™ื” ืชื”ืจื•ื’ ืื•ืชืš?
01:40
Aren't you afraid that you're going to work your whole life at this craft
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ืื™ื ืš ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉืชืขื‘ื“ื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื—ื™ื™ืš,
ื•ืœื ื™ื™ืฆื ืžื–ื” ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ,
01:44
and nothing's ever going to come of it
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ื•ืชืžื•ืชื™ ืขืœ ืขืจื™ืžืช ืจืกื™ืกื™ ื—ืœื•ืžื•ืช ืžื ื•ืคืฆื™ื
01:46
and you're going to die on a scrap heap of broken dreams
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ื‘ืคื” ืžืœื ื‘ืืคืจ ื”ื›ืฉืœื•ืŸ ื”ืžืจ?"
01:48
with your mouth filled with bitter ash of failure?"
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:51
(Laughter)
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01:52
Like that, you know.
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ืžืžืฉ ื›ื›ื”.
01:54
The answer -- the short answer to all those questions is, "Yes."
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ื”ืชืฉื•ื‘ื”- ื”ืชืฉื•ื‘ื” ื”ืงืฆืจื” ืœื›ืœ ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ื”ื™ื, "ื›ืŸ."
01:59
Yes, I'm afraid of all those things.
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ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืžื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื•.
02:01
And I always have been.
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ืชืžื™ื“ ืคื—ื“ืชื™.
02:03
And I'm afraid of many, many more things besides
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ื•ืื ื™ ืคื•ื—ื“ืช ืžื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื–ื”,
02:05
that people can't even guess at,
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืžืกื•ื’ืœื™ื ืœื ื—ืฉ.
02:07
like seaweed and other things that are scary.
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ืืฆื•ืช ืœืžืฉืœ, ื•ืขื•ื“ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืžืคื—ื™ื“ื™ื.
02:11
But, when it comes to writing,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื ื•ื’ืข ืœื›ืชื™ื‘ื”
02:13
the thing that I've been sort of thinking about lately, and wondering about lately,
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ื•ืชื•ื”ื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ: ืœืžื”?
02:17
is why?
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ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ื•ืŸ?
02:18
You know, is it rational?
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ื”ืื ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ ืœืฆืคื•ืช ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื•
02:20
Is it logical that anybody should be expected
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02:22
to be afraid of the work that they feel they were put on this Earth to do.
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ืœื—ืฉื•ืฉ ืžื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื“ืขืชื• ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“ ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
02:27
And what is it specifically about creative ventures
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ื•ืœืžื” ื“ื•ื•ืงื ื™ื•ื–ืžื•ืช ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช
02:31
that seems to make us really nervous about each other's mental health
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ื”ืŸ ืฉื˜ื•ืจื“ื•ืช ืืช ืžื ื•ื—ืชื ื• ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืœืฉืคื™ื•ืชื ืฉืœ ื”ืกื•ื‘ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื•
02:34
in a way that other careers kind of don't do, you know?
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ื‘ืขื•ื“ ืฉืงืจื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช ืœื ื’ื•ืจืžื•ืช ืœื›ืš?
02:37
Like my dad, for example, was a chemical engineer
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ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ื ื“ืก ื›ื™ืžื™ื”
02:41
and I don't recall once in his 40 years of chemical engineering
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ื•ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉืื™-ืคืขื ื‘-40 ืฉื ื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื•
02:45
anybody asking him if he was afraid to be a chemical engineer, you know?
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื• ืื ื”ื•ื ื—ื•ืฉืฉ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื”ื ื“ืก ื›ื™ืžื™ื”.
02:49
"That chemical-engineering block, John, how's it going?"
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ืœื ืฉืืœื•: ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ืžื—ืกื•ื ืฉืœ ืžื”ื ื“ืกื™ ื›ื™ืžื™ื”, ื’'ื•ืŸ, ืื™ืš ื”ื•ืœืš?
02:54
It just didn't come up like that, you know?
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ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื ืขืœื” ื‘ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœื•.
02:57
But to be fair, chemical engineers as a group
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ืื‘ืœ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื”ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉื›ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ืžื”ื ื“ืกื™ ื”ื›ื™ืžื™ื”
03:00
haven't really earned a reputation over the centuries
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ืœื ืจื›ืฉื• ืœืขืฆืžื ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื ืžื•ื ื™ื˜ื™ืŸ
03:03
for being alcoholic manic-depressives.
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ืฉืœ ืืœื›ื•ื”ื•ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ื ืžืื ื™ื™ื-ื“ืคืจืกื™ื‘ื™ื™ื.
03:06
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:07
We writers, we kind of do have that reputation,
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ืœื ื• ื”ืกื•ืคืจื™ื ื“ื•ื•ืงื ื™ืฆื ืฉื ื›ื–ื”,
03:10
and not just writers, but creative people across all genres,
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ื•ืœื ืจืง ืœืกื•ืคืจื™ื, ืืœื ื“ื•ืžื” ืฉืœื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื–'ืื ืจ,
03:14
it seems, have this reputation for being enormously mentally unstable.
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ื™ืฆื ืฉื ืฉืœ ืžืื“ ืœื-ื™ืฆื™ื‘ื™ื ื ืคืฉื™ืช.
03:19
And all you have to do is look at the very grim death count
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ื•ืฆืจื™ืš ืจืง ืœื”ืชื‘ื•ื ืŸ ื‘ืฉื™ืขื•ืจ ื”ืชืžื•ืชื” ื”ืขื’ื•ื
03:22
in the 20th century alone, of really magnificent creative minds
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ื‘ืžืื” ื”-20 ืœื‘ื“ื”, ืฉืœ ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ื ืคืœืื™ื ื‘ืืžืช ื•ื‘ืชืžื™ื,
03:26
who died young and often at their own hands, you know?
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ืฉืžืชื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืžืฉื•ื ืฉืฉืœื—ื• ื™ื“ ื‘ื ืคืฉื.
03:29
And even the ones who didn't literally commit suicide
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ื•ื ื“ืžื” ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืืœื” ืฉืœื ื”ืชืื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ
03:32
seem to be really undone by their gifts, you know.
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ื—ื•ืกืœื• ื‘ืขืฆื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื›ืฉืจื•ื ื.
03:36
Norman Mailer, just before he died, last interview, he said,
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ื‘ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœืคื ื™ ืžื•ืชื• ืืžืจ ื ื•ืจืžืŸ ืžื™ืœืจ
03:39
"Every one of my books has killed me a little more."
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"ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžืกืคืจื™ ื”ืจื’ ืื•ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืงืฆืช."
03:43
An extraordinary statement to make about your life's work.
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ื”ืชื‘ื˜ืื•ืช ื™ื•ืฆืืช ื“ื•ืคืŸ ืขืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื—ื™ื™ืš, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจืช.
03:46
But we don't even blink when we hear somebody say this,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื• ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืžืžืฆืžืฆื™ื ืœืฉืžืข ืืžื™ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช,
03:49
because we've heard that kind of stuff for so long
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืฉืžืขื ื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคืขืžื™ื,
03:52
and somehow we've completely internalized and accepted collectively
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ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื”ืคื ืžื ื• ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื•
03:56
this notion that creativity and suffering are somehow inherently linked
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ืืช ื”ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ืฉื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช ื•ืกื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจื™ื ื–ื” ืœื–ื” ืžื˜ื‘ืขื
04:01
and that artistry, in the end, will always ultimately lead to anguish.
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ื•ืฉื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ื›ืฉืจื•ืŸ ืืžื ื•ืชื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื’ืจื•ืจ ืกื‘ืœ.
04:06
And the question that I want to ask everybody here today
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ื•ื”ืฉืืœื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉื ืžืฆื ื›ืืŸ ื”ื™ื•ื
04:08
is are you guys all cool with that idea?
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ื”ื™ื: ืื™ืŸ ืœื›ื ืฉื•ื ื‘ืขื™ื” ืขื ื”ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”?
04:11
Are you comfortable with that?
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ืืชื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ื‘ื ื•ื— ืขื ื–ื” -
04:13
Because you look at it even from an inch away and, you know --
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ื›ื™ ื’ื ืื ืื ื™ ื‘ื•ื—ื ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืžืžืฉ ืžืงืจื•ื‘ -
04:16
I'm not at all comfortable with that assumption.
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ืื ื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื—ืฉื” ื‘ื ื•ื— ืขื ื”ื”ื ื—ื” ื”ื–ืืช.
04:19
I think it's odious.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื”ื™ื ื“ื•ื—ื”.
04:21
And I also think it's dangerous,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื”ื™ื ืžืกื•ื›ื ืช,
04:23
and I don't want to see it perpetuated into the next century.
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ื•ืื™ื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืจืื•ืชื” ืžื•ื ืฆื—ืช ื’ื ื‘ืžืื” ื”ื‘ืื”.
ืœื“ืขืชื™ ืขื“ื™ืฃ ืœืขื•ื“ื“ ืืช ื”ืžื•ื—ื•ืช ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื™ื ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ืฉื‘ื™ื ื™ื ื• ืœื—ื™ื•ืช.
04:26
I think it's better if we encourage our great creative minds to live.
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04:29
And I definitely know that, in my case -- in my situation --
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ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืœืœื ืกืคืง ืฉื‘ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœื™ - ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ืฉืœื™ -
04:35
it would be very dangerous for me to start sort of leaking down that dark path
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ืขืœื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืื“ ืžืกื•ื›ืŸ ืื ืืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ื™ื“ืจื“ืจ ื‘ืžื•ืจื“ ื”ืืคืœ
04:40
of assumption,
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ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื ื—ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ื‘ื™ื™ื—ื•ื“ ื‘ื”ืชื—ืฉื‘ ื‘ื ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช
04:42
particularly given the circumstance that I'm in right now in my career.
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ื”ืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื•ื.
04:46
Which is -- you know, like check it out,
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ื›ื™ - ื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ื›ื›ื”:
04:48
I'm pretty young, I'm only about 40 years old.
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ืื ื™ ื“ื™ ืฆืขื™ืจื”, ืื ื™ ืจืง ื‘ืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื‘ืขืจืš.
ื™ืฉ ืœืคื ื™ ื‘ืขืจืš ืขื•ื“ ืืจื‘ืขื” ืขืฉื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
04:51
I still have maybe another four decades of work left in me.
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04:54
And it's exceedingly likely that anything I write from this point forward
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ื•ืกื‘ื™ืจ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื›ืชื•ื‘ ืžื”ื™ื•ื ื•ื”ืœืื”
04:58
is going to be judged by the world as the work that came after
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ื™ื™ืฉืคื˜ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ื›ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉื ืขืฉืชื” ืื—ืจื™
05:01
the freakish success of my last book, right?
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ื”ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื”ืžืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
05:05
I should just put it bluntly, because we're all sort of friends here now --
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ื›ื“ืื™ ืฉืื“ื‘ืจ ื’ืœื•ื™ื•ืช, ื›ื™ ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื›ืืŸ ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื‘ืžื™ื“ื” ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช-
05:09
it's exceedingly likely that my greatest success is behind me.
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ืกื‘ื™ืจ ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืฉื”ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™.
05:13
So Jesus, what a thought!
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ืื–, ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืื™ื–ื• ืžื—ืฉื‘ื”!
05:15
That's the kind of thought that could lead a person
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ื–ืืช ืžื—ืฉื‘ื” ืžื”ืกื•ื’ ืฉืขืœื•ืœ ืœื’ืจื•ื ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื•
05:17
to start drinking gin at nine o'clock in the morning,
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ืœื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืฉืชื•ืช ื’'ื™ืŸ ื‘ืชืฉืข ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ,
05:20
and I don't want to go there.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื›ืš.
05:23
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
05:24
I would prefer to keep doing this work that I love.
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ืื ื™ ืžืขื“ื™ืคื” ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ืช.
ืื– ื”ืฉืืœื” ื”ืžืชื‘ืงืฉืช ื”ื™ื: ืื™ืš?
05:27
And so, the question becomes, how?
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05:30
And so, it seems to me, upon a lot of reflection,
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ื•ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™, ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื—ืฉื‘ื”,
05:33
that the way that I have to work now, in order to continue writing,
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ืฉืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื•ืœื›ืชื•ื‘,
05:36
is that I have to create some sort of protective psychological construct, right?
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ื–ื” ืœื™ื™ืฆืจ ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ื”ื’ื ื” ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ืช, ื›ืŸ?
05:40
I have to sort of find some way to have a safe distance
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ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืœื”ืฆื™ื‘ ืžืจื—ืง ื‘ื˜ื•ื—
05:43
between me, as I am writing, and my very natural anxiety
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ื‘ื™ื ื™, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื•ืชื‘ืช, ื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื—ืจื“ื” ื”ื˜ื‘ืขื™ืช ืฉืœื™
05:48
about what the reaction to that writing is going to be, from now on.
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ืžืŸ ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืชื”ื™ื™ื ื” ืœื›ืชื™ื‘ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืžื”ื™ื•ื ื•ื”ืœืื”.
05:52
And, as I've been looking, over the last year,
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ืื– ื›ืฉื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืžื•ื“ืœื™ื ืื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช,
05:55
for models for how to do that,
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05:57
I've been sort of looking across time,
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ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืœืื•ืจืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื,
05:59
and I've been trying to find other societies
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ื•ื‘ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช,
06:01
to see if they might have had better and saner ideas than we have
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืœื”ืŸ ืชืคื™ืกื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื•ืฉืคื•ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ
06:05
about how to help creative people
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ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื”ื“ืจื›ื™ื ืœืกื™ื™ืข ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ื›ืื™ืœื• ืœื ื”ืœ
06:07
sort of manage the inherent emotional risks of creativity.
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ืืช ื”ืกื™ื›ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืจื’ืฉื™ื™ื ื”ื˜ื‘ื•ืขื™ื ื‘ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช.
06:11
And that search has led me to ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
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ื•ื”ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœ ืื•ืชื™ ืœื™ื•ื•ืŸ ื”ืขืชื™ืงื” ื•ืœืจื•ืžื ื”ืขืชื™ืงื”.
06:16
So stay with me, because it does circle around and back.
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ืชืขืงื‘ื• ืื—ืจื™, ื›ื™ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื–ื” ื—ื•ื–ืจ ืœื›ืืŸ.
06:18
But, ancient Greece and ancient Rome --
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ื‘ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ื”ืขืชื™ืงื” ื•ื‘ืจื•ืžื ื”ืขืชื™ืงื” -
06:20
people did not happen to believe that creativity
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื ื”ืืžื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช
06:23
came from human beings back then, OK?
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ืžืงื•ืจื” ื‘ื‘ื ื™ ื”ืื“ื, ืื•ืงื™ื™?
06:25
People believed that creativity was this divine attendant spirit
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืžื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ื ืื™ื–ื• ืจื•ื— ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ืช
06:30
that came to human beings from some distant and unknowable source,
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ืฉืžื’ื™ืขื” ืืœ ื‘ื ื™ ื”ืื“ื ืžืžืงื•ืจ ืจื—ื•ืง ื•ืขืœื•ื ื›ืœืฉื”ื•,
06:34
for distant and unknowable reasons.
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ื•ืžืกื™ื‘ื•ืช ืจื—ื•ืงื•ืช ื•ืขืœื•ืžื•ืช.
06:36
The Greeks famously called these divine attendant spirits of creativity "daemons."
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ื›ื™ื“ื•ืข ืงืจืื• ื”ื™ื•ื•ื ื™ื ืœืจื•ื—ื•ืช ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช ื”ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• "ืฉื“ื™ื".
06:42
Socrates, famously, believed that he had a daemon
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ืื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืกื•ืงืจื˜ืก ื”ืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื• ืฉื“
06:45
who spoke wisdom to him from afar.
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ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจ ืืœื™ื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ ื—ื•ื›ืžื” ืžืจื—ื•ืง.
06:47
The Romans had the same idea,
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ื”ืจื•ืžืื™ื ื”ืืžื™ื ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ,
06:49
but they called that sort of disembodied creative spirit a genius.
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ืืš ื”ื ื›ื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื” ืจื•ื— ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ืช ื•ื—ืกืจืช-ื’ื•ืฃ: ื’ืื•ื ื•ืช.
06:53
Which is great, because the Romans did not actually think
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ื•ื–ื” ื ืคืœื, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื•ืžืื™ื ืœื ื‘ืืžืช ื”ืืžื™ื ื•
06:56
that a genius was a particularly clever individual.
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ืฉื’ืื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืื“ื ื ื‘ื•ืŸ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“.
06:59
They believed that a genius was this, sort of magical divine entity,
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ื”ื ื”ืืžื™ื ื• ืฉื’ืื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื™ื ืžื™ืŸ ื™ืฉื•ืช ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ืช ืงืกื•ืžื”,
07:03
who was believed to literally live in the walls of an artist's studio,
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ืฉื—ื™ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ื• ื›ืžืฉืžืขื• ื‘ืงื™ืจื•ืช
ื”ืกื˜ื•ื“ื™ื• ืฉืœ ื”ืืžืŸ, ืงืฆืช ื›ืžื• "ื“ื•ื‘ื™" ืฉื“ื•ืŸ ื”ื‘ื™ืช,
07:08
kind of like Dobby the house elf,
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07:10
and who would come out
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ื•ื™ื•ืฆืืช ื•ืžืกื™ื™ืขืช ื‘ืื™ืŸ ืจื•ืื™ื ืœืืžืŸ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื•
07:12
and sort of invisibly assist the artist with their work
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ื•ืžืขืฆื‘ืช ืืช ืชื•ืฆืื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชื•.
07:15
and would shape the outcome of that work.
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07:17
So brilliant -- there it is, right there, that distance that I'm talking about --
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ืžื‘ืจื™ืง - ื”ื ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ืžืจื—ืง ื”ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœื™ื• -
07:21
that psychological construct to protect you from the results of your work.
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ื”ืžื‘ื ื” ื”ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ ืฉื™ื’ืŸ ืขืœื™ืš ืžืคื ื™ ืชื•ืฆืื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืชืš.
07:25
And everyone knew that this is how it functioned, right?
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ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ืฉื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ืคื•ืขืœ, ื›ืŸ?
07:29
So the ancient artist was protected from certain things,
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ืื– ื”ืืžื ื™ื ื”ืงื“ื•ืžื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื•ื’ื ื™ื ืžืคื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžื™ื,
07:31
like, for example, too much narcissism, right?
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ื›ืžื• ืขื•ื“ืฃ ื ืจืงื™ืกื™ื–ื, ื›ืŸ?
07:34
If your work was brilliant, you couldn't take all the credit for it,
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ืื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ืชื” ืžื‘ืจื™ืงื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœื–ืงื•ืฃ ื”ื›ืœ ืœื–ื›ื•ืชืš,
07:37
everybody knew that you had this disembodied genius who had helped you.
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ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ืฉื”ื’ืื•ื ื•ืช ื—ืกืจืช-ื”ื’ื•ืฃ ืขื–ืจื” ืœืš,
07:41
If your work bombed, not entirely your fault, you know?
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ืื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ืชื” ืžื–ื•ืคืชืช ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ื‘ืืฉืžืชืš, ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื?
07:44
Everyone knew your genius was kind of lame.
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ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื‘ื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื’ืื•ืŸ ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื” ื“ื™ ืขืœื•ื‘
07:47
(Laughter)
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ื•ื›ืš ื—ืฉื‘ื• ื‘ืžืขืจื‘ ืขืœ ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ ื‘ืžืฉืš ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ืžืื“.
07:48
And this is how people thought about creativity in the West
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07:51
for a really long time.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ืจื ืกืื ืก ื•ื”ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืชื ื”,
07:53
And then the Renaissance came and everything changed,
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07:55
and we had this big idea, and the big idea was,
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ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ,
07:57
let's put the individual human being at the center of the universe
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ื‘ื•ื ื ืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ืื“ื ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ื”ื™ืงื•ื
ืžืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืืœื™ื ื•ื”ืžืกืชื•ืจื™ืŸ, ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ืื™ืŸ ืžืงื•ื
08:01
above all gods and mysteries,
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08:02
and there's no more room for mystical creatures
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ืœื™ืฆื•ืจื™ื ืžืกืชื•ืจื™ื™ื ืฉืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืชื›ืชื™ื‘ื™ื ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ื™ื.
08:05
who take dictation from the divine.
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08:06
And it's the beginning of rational humanism,
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ื•ื–ื• ืชื—ื™ืœืชื• ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื•ืžื ื™ื–ื ื”ืจืฆื™ื•ื ืœื™,
08:08
and people started to believe that creativity
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ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื—ืœื• ืœื”ืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช
ื ื•ื‘ืขืช ื›ื•ืœื” ืžืชื•ืš ืขืฆืžื™ื•ืชื• ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“.
08:11
came completely from the self of the individual.
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08:13
And for the first time in history,
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ื•ืœืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื”,
08:15
you start to hear people referring to this or that artist as being a genius,
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ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชื™ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืœืืžืŸ ื–ื” ืื• ืื—ืจ ื›ื’ืื•ืŸ
08:20
rather than having a genius.
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ื•ืœื ื›ืžื™ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื• ื’ืื•ื ื•ืช.
08:22
And I got to tell you, I think that was a huge error.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื‘ืขื™ื ื™ ื–ืืช ื”ื™ืชื” ื˜ืขื•ืช ืขื ืงื™ืช.
08:25
You know, I think that allowing somebody, one mere person
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ืœื“ืขืชื™, ืœืืคืฉืจ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ืกืชื ื‘ืŸ ืื“ื,
08:29
to believe that he or she is like, the vessel,
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ืœื”ืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ืื• ื”ื™ื ื”ื ื›ืœื™ ื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืœ
08:32
you know, like the font and the essence and the source
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ื”ืžืขื™ื™ืŸ ื•ื”ืžื”ื•ืช ื•ื”ืžืงื•ืจ
ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืกืชื•ืจื™ืŸ ื”ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™, ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™, ื”ืขืœื•ื ื•ื”ื ืฆื—ื™
08:35
of all divine, creative, unknowable, eternal mystery
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08:38
is just a smidge too much responsibility to put on one fragile, human psyche.
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ื–ื” ื˜ื™ืคื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื“ื™ ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช ืœื›ืชืคื™ื” ืฉืœ ื ืคืฉ ืื ื•ืฉื™ืช ืฉื‘ืจื™ืจื™ืช.
08:44
It's like asking somebody to swallow the sun.
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ื–ื” ื›ืžื• ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืœื‘ืœื•ืข ืืช ื”ืฉืžืฉ.
08:48
It just completely warps and distorts egos,
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ื–ื” ืžืฉืชืœื˜ ื•ืžืขื•ื•ืช ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืืช ื”ืื’ื•,
08:50
and it creates all these unmanageable expectations about performance.
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ื•ื™ื•ืฆืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ืื•ืชืŸ ืฆื™ืคื™ื•ืช ื‘ืœืชื™-ืืคืฉืจื™ื•ืช ืœืžื™ืžื•ืฉ.
08:54
And I think the pressure of that
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื›ืœ ื”ืœื—ืฅ ื”ื–ื”
08:56
has been killing off our artists for the last 500 years.
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ื”ื•ืจื’ ืืช ื”ืืžื ื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ื‘-500 ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื•ืช.
08:59
And, if this is true,
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ื•ืื ื–ื” ืื›ืŸ ื›ืš,
09:02
and I think it is true,
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ื•ืœื“ืขืชื™ ื–ื” ืื›ืŸ ื›ืš,
09:03
the question becomes, what now?
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ืขื•ืœื” ื”ืฉืืœื”: ืžื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
09:06
Can we do this differently?
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ื”ืื ืืคืฉืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช ืื—ืจืช?
09:08
Maybe go back to some more ancient understanding
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ื”ืื ืืคืฉืจ ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืชืคื™ืกื” ืขืชื™ืงื” ื™ื•ืชืจ
09:12
about the relationship between humans and the creative mystery.
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ืฉืœ ืžืขืจื›ืช ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘ื ื™ ื”ืื“ื ื•ืžืกืชืจื™ ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื•ืช.
09:16
Maybe not.
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ืื•ืœื™ ืœื.
09:17
Maybe we can't just erase 500 years of rational humanistic thought
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ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ื ื™ืชืŸ ืœืžื—ื•ืง ืกืชื ื›ืš 500 ืฉื ื•ืช ืžื—ืฉื‘ื” ื”ื•ืžื ื™ืกื˜ื™ืช ืจืฆื™ื•ื ืœื™ืช
09:21
in one 18 minute speech.
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ื‘ื ืื•ื ืฉืœ 18 ื“ืงื•ืช.
09:23
And there's probably people in this audience
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ื•ืžืŸ ื”ืกืชื ื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืงื”ืœ
09:26
who would raise really legitimate scientific suspicions
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ื›ืืœื• ืฉื™ืขืœื• ื—ืฉื“ื•ืช ืžื“ืขื™ื™ื ืœื’ื™ื˜ื™ืžื™ื
09:30
about the notion of, basically, fairies
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ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืœืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ืคื™ื•ืช
09:33
who follow people around rubbing fairy juice on their projects and stuff.
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ืฉืขื•ืงื‘ื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ื•ืžื•ืจื—ื•ืช ืžื™ืฅ ืคื™ื•ืช ืขืœ ื™ืฆื™ืจื•ืชื™ื”ื ื•ื›ื“ื•ืžื”.
09:38
I'm not, probably, going to bring you all along with me on this.
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ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืœื ืืฆืœื™ื— ืœืกื—ื•ืฃ ืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื›ื•ืœื›ื ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื–ื”.
09:42
But the question that I kind of want to pose is --
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืฉืืœื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืฆื™ื’ ื”ื™ื,
09:45
you know, why not?
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ื‘ืขืฆื, ืœืžื” ืœื?
09:47
Why not think about it this way?
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ืœืžื” ืœื ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื›ื›ื”?
09:49
Because it makes as much sense as anything else I have ever heard
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ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ืžื• ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจ ืฉืฉืžืขืชื™,
09:53
in terms of explaining the utter maddening capriciousness
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ื•ืฉืžื ืกื” ืœื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื˜ื™ืจื•ืฃ ื”ื’ื—ืžื ื™ ื”ืžื•ื—ืœื˜
09:57
of the creative process.
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ืฉืœ ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจื”.
09:58
A process which, as anybody who has ever tried to make something --
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ืชื”ืœื™ืš ืฉื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉื”ืชื ืกื” ื‘ื• ืื™ ืคืขื -
ืื• ื‘ืžื™ืœื™ื ืื—ืจื•ืช, ื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉื ืžืฆื ื›ืืŸ -
10:02
which is to say basically everyone here ---
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10:04
knows does not always behave rationally.
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ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื ื”ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืจืฆื™ื•ื ืœื™.
10:07
And, in fact, can sometimes feel downright paranormal.
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ื•ืœืžืขืŸ ื”ืืžืช, ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืืคื™ืœื• ืžื•ืจื’ืฉ ืขืœ-ื˜ื‘ืขื™.
10:11
I had this encounter recently
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ืœื ืžื–ืžืŸ ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžืฉื•ืจืจืช ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ืช ื”ื ืคืœืื” ืจื•ืช ืกื˜ื•ืŸ,
10:13
where I met the extraordinary American poet Ruth Stone,
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10:17
who's now in her 90s, but she's been a poet her entire life
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ืฉื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”-90 ืœื—ื™ื™ื”, ืืš ื”ื™ืชื” ืžืฉื•ืจืจืช ื›ืœ ื—ื™ื™ื”
10:20
and she told me that when she was growing up in rural Virginia,
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืกื™ืคืจื” ืœื™ ืฉื›ืืฉืจ ื’ื“ืœื” ื‘ื•ื•ื™ืจื’'ื™ื ื™ื” ื”ื›ืคืจื™ืช,
10:23
she would be out working in the fields,
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ื”ื™ืชื” ื™ื•ืฆืืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช,
10:25
and she said she would feel and hear a poem
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ื•ืœื“ื‘ืจื™ื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื” ื•ืฉื•ืžืขืช ืฉื™ืจ
10:28
coming at her from over the landscape.
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ืžื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื” ืžืชื•ืš ื”ื ื•ืฃ
10:30
And she said it was like a thunderous train of air.
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ื•ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ืจื›ื‘ืช ืื•ื•ื™ืจ ืจื•ืขืžืช.
10:33
And it would come barreling down at her over the landscape.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืชืขืจ ืขืœื™ื” ืžืชื•ืš ื”ื ื•ืฃ.
ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื” ืฉื–ื” ืžื’ื™ืข ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ืจืขื™ื“ ืืช ื”ืื“ืžื” ืžืชื—ืช ืœืจื’ืœื™ื”.
10:36
And she felt it coming, because it would shake the earth under her feet.
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10:39
She knew that she had only one thing to do at that point,
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ื”ื™ื ื™ื“ืขื” ืฉื‘ืื•ืชื• ืจื’ืข ื”ื™ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืจืง ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ื“,
10:42
and that was to, in her words, "run like hell."
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ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื‘ืžืœื™ื ืฉืœื”, "ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ื‘ื˜ื™ืจื•ืฃ."
10:44
And she would run like hell to the house
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ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ื•ืจื—ืช ื‘ื˜ื™ืจื•ืฃ ืœืชื•ืš ื”ื‘ื™ืช
10:46
and she would be getting chased by this poem,
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ื›ืฉื”ืฉื™ืจ ืจื•ื“ืฃ ืื—ืจื™ื”,
ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื ื™ื™ืจ ื•ืขืคืจื•ืŸ
10:48
and the whole deal was that she had to get to a piece of paper and a pencil
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ืžื”ืจ ืžืกืคื™ืง ื›ื“ื™ ืœืืกื•ืฃ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ืจ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืจื•ืขื ื“ืจื›ื”,
10:52
fast enough so that when it thundered through her, she could collect it
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ื•ืœืœื›ื•ื“ ืื•ืชื• ืขืœ ื”ื ื™ื™ืจ.
ื•ื”ื™ื• ืคืขืžื™ื ืฉื‘ื”ืŸ ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืžืกืคื™ืง ืžื”ื™ืจื”,
10:56
and grab it on the page.
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10:57
And other times she wouldn't be fast enough,
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ืชื” ืจืฆื” ื•ืจืฆื” ื•ืจืฆื” ื•ืœื ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช
10:59
so she'd be running and running, and she wouldn't get to the house
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ื•ื”ืฉื™ืจ ื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ืœืฃ ื“ืจื›ื” ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ืชื” ืžื—ืžื™ืฆื” ืื•ืชื•,
11:02
and the poem would barrel through her and she would miss it
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืžืกืคืจืช ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉื™ืš ืœื—ืœื•ืฃ ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ื”ื ื•ืฃ,
11:05
and she said it would continue on across the landscape,
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ื•ืœื—ืคืฉ, ื›ื“ื‘ืจื™ื”, "ืื—ืจื™ ืžืฉื•ืจืจ ืื—ืจ."
11:08
looking, as she put it "for another poet."
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ื•ื‘ืžืงืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื -
11:10
And then there were these times --
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11:11
this is the piece I never forgot --
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ื–ื” ื”ืงื˜ืข ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื— -
11:13
she said that there were moments where she would almost miss it, right?
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืจื’ืขื™ื ืฉื‘ื”ื ื›ืžืขื˜ ื”ื—ืžื™ืฆื” ืื•ืชื•, ื›ืŸ?
11:17
So, she's running to the house and she's looking for the paper
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ืื– ื”ื™ื ืจืฆื” ืœื‘ื™ืช ื•ืžื—ืคืฉืช ื ื™ื™ืจ
ื•ื”ืฉื™ืจ ื—ื•ืœืฃ ื“ืจื›ื”,
11:20
and the poem passes through her,
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11:21
and she grabs a pencil just as it's going through her,
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืชื•ืคืกืช ืขืคืจื•ืŸ ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื•ื‘ืจ ื‘ืชื•ื›ื”,
11:24
and then she said, it was like she would reach out with her other hand
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ื•ืื–, ื”ื™ื ืžืกืคืจืช, ื”ื™ืชื” ื›ืžื• ืฉื•ืœื—ืช ืืช ื”ื™ื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ื”
ื•ืชื•ืคืกืช ืื•ืชื•.
11:27
and she would catch it.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ืชื” ืชื•ืคืกืช ืืช ื”ืฉื™ืจ ื‘ื–ื ื‘ื•,
11:29
She would catch the poem by its tail,
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ื•ืžื•ืฉื›ืช ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืชื•ืš ื’ื•ืคื”
11:31
and she would pull it backwards into her body
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11:33
as she was transcribing on the page.
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ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืชื™ื‘ืชื• ืขืœ ื”ื“ืฃ.
11:35
And in these instances, the poem would come up on the page perfect and intact
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ื•ื‘ืžืงืจื™ื ืืœื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฉื™ืจ ื ื›ืชื‘ ืขืœ ื”ื“ืฃ ืžื•ืฉืœื ื•ืœืœื ืจื‘ื‘
11:40
but backwards, from the last word to the first.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื—ื•ืจื”, ืžื”ืžื™ืœื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืืœ ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”.
11:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:45
So when I heard that I was like -- that's uncanny,
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ื›ืฉืฉืžืขืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ - ื›ืžื” ืžื•ื–ืจ,
11:50
that's exactly what my creative process is like.
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ื›ื–ื”ื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™.
11:52
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:56
That's not at all what my creative process is -- I'm not the pipeline!
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ืœื ื›ืœ ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ื›ื–ื” - ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ืฆื™ื ื•ืจ!
11:59
I'm a mule, and the way that I have to work
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ืื ื™ ืคืจื“, ื•ื”ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื‘ื• ืขืœื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“
12:01
is I have to get up at the same time every day,
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ื”ื•ื ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืงื•ื ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฉืขื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื,
ืœื”ื–ื™ืข ื•ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืคืจืš ื•ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื’ื•ืœืžื ื•ืช
12:04
and sweat and labor and barrel through it really awkwardly.
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ืื‘ืœ ืืคื™ืœื• ืื ื™, ื‘ืคืจื“ื•ืชื™
12:06
But even I, in my mulishness,
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12:08
even I have brushed up against that thing, at times.
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ืืคื™ืœื• ืื ื™ ื–ื›ื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืชื—ื›ืš ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื‘ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”.
12:12
And I would imagine that a lot of you have too.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืชืืจืช ืœืขืฆืžื™ ืฉื›ืš ื’ื ืจื‘ื™ื ืžื›ื.
12:14
You know, even I have had work or ideas come through me from a source
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ืืคื™ืœื• ืื ื™ ื–ื›ื™ืชื™ ืœื™ืฆื™ืจื” ืื• ืœืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช ืžืžืงื•ืจ
12:18
that I honestly cannot identify.
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ืฉื‘ื›ื ื•ืช, ืื™ื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื–ื”ื•ืช.
12:20
And what is that thing?
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ื•ืžื” ื”ื•ื ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”?
12:22
And how are we to relate to it in a way that will not make us lose our minds,
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ื•ืื™ืš ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืก ืืœื™ื• ื‘ื“ืจืš ืฉืœื ืชื˜ืจื™ืฃ ืืช ื“ืขืชื ื•,
12:26
but, in fact, might actually keep us sane?
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ืืœื, ื ื”ืคื•ืš ื”ื•ื, ืชืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ืฉืคื™ื•ืชื ื•?
12:29
And for me, the best contemporary example that I have of how to do that
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ืขื‘ื•ืจื™, ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื ื”ื ื•ื›ื—ื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆืœื—ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช
12:33
is the musician Tom Waits,
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืžื•ื–ื™ืงืื™ ื˜ื•ื ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืก,
12:35
who I got to interview several years ago on a magazine assignment.
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ืจืื™ื™ื ืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื ื™ื ืื—ื“ื•ืช ืœืžื’ื–ื™ืŸ.
12:39
And we were talking about this,
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ื•ื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ืขืœ ื–ื”,
12:41
and you know, Tom, for most of his life, he was pretty much the embodiment
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ื•ืžืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉื˜ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจื•ื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื• ื”ืชื’ืœืžื•ืช
12:44
of the tormented contemporary modern artist,
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ื”ืืžืŸ ื”ืžื•ื“ืจื ื™ ื”ืžื™ื•ืกืจ,
ืฉืžื ืกื” ืœืคืงื—, ืœื ื”ืœ ื•ืœืฉืœื•ื˜
12:47
trying to control and manage and dominate
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12:49
these sort of uncontrollable creative impulses
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ื‘ืื•ืชื ื“ื—ืคื™ื ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™ื™ื ื‘ืœืชื™-ื ืฉืœื˜ื™ื
12:51
that were totally internalized.
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ื“ื—ืคื™ื ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื ืœื’ืžืจื™.
12:53
But then he got older, he got calmer,
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ืืš ื›ื›ืœ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ื•ื”ื–ื“ืงืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื ืจื’ืข,
12:55
and one day he was driving down the freeway in Los Angeles,
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ื•ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื ืกืข ื‘ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ ื”ืžื”ื™ืจ ื‘ืœื•ืก ืื ื’'ืœืก, ื›ืš ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™,
12:58
and this is when it all changed for him.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืชื ื” ืขื‘ื•ืจื•.
13:00
And he's speeding along, and all of a sudden
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ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืกืข ื‘ืžื”ื™ืจื•ืช, ื•ืคืชืื•ื
13:02
he hears this little fragment of melody,
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ื”ื•ื ืฉื•ืžืข ืฉื‘ืจื™ืจ ืžืœื•ื“ื™ื”,
13:06
that comes into his head as inspiration often comes, elusive and tantalizing,
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ืฉื ื›ื ืก ืœืจืืฉื•, ื›ืคื™ ืฉืงื•ืจื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืจื’ืขื™ ื”ืฉืจืื”, ื—ืžืงืžืง ื•ืžืชื’ืจื”,
13:10
and he wants it, it's gorgeous,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืื•ืชื•, ืืชื ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื, ื–ื” ื ื”ื“ืจ,
13:12
and he longs for it, but he has no way to get it.
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ื”ื•ื ืžืฉืชื•ืงืง ืืœื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ืŸ ืœื• ืฉื•ื ื“ืจืš ืœื”ืฉื™ื’ ืื•ืชื•.
13:14
He doesn't have a piece of paper, or a pencil, or a tape recorder.
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ืื™ืŸ ืœื• ืคื™ืกืช ื ื™ื™ืจ, ืื™ืŸ ืœื• ืขื™ืคืจื•ืŸ,
ืื™ืŸ ืœื• ืจืฉืžืงื•ืœ.
13:17
So he starts to feel all of that old anxiety start to rise in him
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืื•ืชื” ื—ืจื“ื” ื ื•ืฉื ื” ืžืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœืขืœื•ืช ื‘ื•,
ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืื‘ื“ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”,
13:21
like, "I'm going to lose this thing,
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13:22
and I'll be be haunted by this song forever.
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ื•ื–ื” ื™ืจื“ื•ืฃ ืื•ืชื™ ืœื ืฆื—.
13:24
I'm not good enough, and I can't do it."
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ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืกืคื™ืง ื˜ื•ื‘ ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”."
13:26
And instead of panicking, he just stopped.
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ื•ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื”ื™ืชืคืก ืœื‘ื”ืœื” ื”ื•ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืขืฆืจ.
13:28
He just stopped that whole mental process and he did something completely novel.
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ื”ื•ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืขืฆืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ืžื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ื”ื–ื”
ื•ืขืฉื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื—ื“ืฉ ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ.
13:32
He just looked up at the sky, and he said,
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ ืœืžืขืœื” ืœืฉืžื™ื™ื ื•ืืžืจ,
13:35
"Excuse me, can you not see that I'm driving?"
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"ืชืกืœื— ืœื™, ืืชื” ืœื ืจื•ืื” ืฉืื ื™ ื ื•ื”ื’?"
13:38
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
13:42
"Do I look like I can write down a song right now?
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"ื ืจืื” ืœืš ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืฉื™ืจ ื‘ืจื’ืข ื–ื”?
13:44
If you really want to exist, come back at a more opportune moment
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ืื ืืชื” ื‘ืืžืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืชืงื™ื™ื, ืชื—ื–ื•ืจ ื‘ืจื’ืข ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืชืื™ื
13:48
when I can take care of you.
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ื›ืฉืื•ื›ืœ ืœื˜ืคืœ ื‘ืš.
13:50
Otherwise, go bother somebody else today.
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ืื ืœื, ืœืš ืชืฆื™ืง ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ.
13:53
Go bother Leonard Cohen."
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ืœืš ืชืฆื™ืง ืœืœืื•ื ืจื“ ื›ื”ืŸ."
13:56
And his whole work process changed after that.
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ื•ื›ืœ ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื• ื”ืฉืชื ื” ื‘ืขืงื‘ื•ืช ื–ืืช.
13:59
Not the work, the work was still oftentimes as dark as ever.
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ืœื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืขืฆืžื” ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ืงื•ื“ืจืช ื›ืชืžื™ื“.
14:03
But the process, and the heavy anxiety around it
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš, ื•ื”ื—ืจื“ื” ื”ืขืฆื•ืžื” ืฉืกื‘ื™ื‘ื•
14:06
was released when he took the genie, the genius out of him
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ื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจื” ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื’'ื™ื ื™, ืืช ื”ื’ืื•ื ื•ืช ืžืชื•ื›ื•
14:09
where it was causing nothing but trouble, and released it back where it came from,
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ืฉื ืขืฉื” ืจืง ืฆืจื•ืช, ื•ืฉื—ืจืจ ืื•ืชื• ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืžืงื•ื ืฉืžืžื ื• ื‘ื,
ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืกื‘ืœ ืคื ื™ืžื™.
14:13
and realized that this didn't have to be this internalized, tormented thing.
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ื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื™ืชื•ืฃ ืคืขื•ืœื” ืžื•ื–ืจ, ืžื•ืคืœื ื•ืžืฉื•ื ื”
14:17
It could be this peculiar, wondrous, bizarre collaboration,
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14:20
kind of conversation between Tom and the strange, external thing
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ืžืขื™ืŸ ื“ื™ืืœื•ื’ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื˜ื•ื ื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื—ื™ืฆื•ื ื™ ื•ื”ืžื•ื–ืจ
14:24
that was not quite Tom.
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ืฉืื™ื ื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื˜ื•ื.
14:26
When I heard that story, it started to shift a little bit
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ืื– ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืฉืžืขืชื™ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื”ืฉืชื ื” ืงืฆืช
14:29
the way that I worked too, and this idea already saved me once.
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ื’ื ืื•ืคืŸ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™, ื•ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื™ ืคืขื ืื—ืช.
14:32
It saved me when I was in the middle of writing "Eat, Pray, Love,"
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ื”ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื›ืชื™ื‘ืช "ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ, ืœืื”ื•ื‘"
14:35
and I fell into one of those sort of pits of despair
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ื›ืฉื ืคืœืชื™ ืœืชื•ืš ืื—ื“ ืžืื•ืชื ื‘ื•ืจื•ืช ื™ื™ืื•ืฉ
14:38
that we all fall into when we're working on something and it's not coming
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ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ื ื•ืคืœื™ื ืœืชื•ื›ื ื›ืฉืื ื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืขืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ื•ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื•ืœืš
14:41
and you start to think this is going to be a disaster, the worst book ever written.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืืกื•ืŸ,
ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื’ืจื•ืข ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื ื›ืชื‘ ืื™ ืคืขื.
14:45
Not just bad, but the worst book ever written.
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ืœื ืกืชื ืจืข, ืืœื ื”ื›ื™ ื’ืจื•ืข ืฉื ื›ืชื‘ ืื™ ืคืขื.
ื•ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉืขืœื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื–ืจื•ืง ืืช ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”.
14:48
And I started to think I should just dump this project.
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14:51
But then I remembered Tom talking to the open air
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ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื ื–ื›ืจืชื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจ ืืœ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ
14:54
and I tried it.
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ื•ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”.
14:56
So I just lifted my face up from the manuscript
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ืื– ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืจืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ืคื ื™ื ืžื”ื˜ืงืกื˜
14:59
and I directed my comments to an empty corner of the room.
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ื•ื”ื™ืคื ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ืœืคื™ื ื” ืจื™ืงื” ื‘ื—ื“ืจ.
15:02
And I said aloud, "Listen you, thing,
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ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ื‘ืงื•ืœ ืจื, "ืฉืžืข, ื™ื ื“ื‘ืจ,
15:05
you and I both know that if this book isn't brilliant
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ืืชื” ื•ืื ื™, ืฉื ื™ื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืื ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื” ืœื ืžื‘ืจื™ืง
15:08
that is not entirely my fault, right?
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ื–ื” ืœื ืจืง ื‘ืืฉืžืชื™, ื›ืŸ?
15:10
Because you can see that I am putting everything I have into this,
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ื›ื™ ืืชื” ื”ืจื™ ืจื•ืื” ืฉืื ื™ ื ื•ืชื ืช ื›ืืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™,
15:13
I don't have any more than this.
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ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื” ืœืชืช.
15:15
If you want it to be better, you've got to show up and do your part of the deal.
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ืื– ืื ืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉื–ื” ื™ืฉืชืคืจ, ื‘ื•ื ื•ืชืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ื—ืœืง ืฉืœืš.
ื•ืื ืœื ืชืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื”, ืœืขื–ืื–ืœ ืขื ื–ื”.
15:19
But if you don't do that, you know what, the hell with it.
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ืื ื™ ืืžืฉื™ืš ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงืจื”, ื›ื™ ื–ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™.
15:22
I'm going to keep writing anyway because that's my job.
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15:24
And I would please like the record to reflect today
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžื‘ืงืฉืช ืœืฆื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืคืจื•ื˜ื•ืงื•ืœ
ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ื—ืœืง ืฉืœื™."
15:27
that I showed up for my part of the job."
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
15:29
(Laughter)
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15:32
Because --
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉ -
15:34
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
15:36
Because in the end it's like this, OK --
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ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื–ื” ื”ืžืฆื‘ -
15:38
centuries ago in the deserts of North Africa,
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ืœืคื ื™ ืžืื•ืช ืฉื ื™ื, ื‘ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื•ืช ืฆืคื•ืŸ ืืคืจื™ืงื”,
15:41
people used to gather for these moonlight dances of sacred dance and music
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืชืืกืคื• ืœืื•ืจ ื”ื™ืจื— ืœืžื•ื–ื™ืงื” ื•ืจื™ืงื•ื“ื™ื ืžืงื•ื“ืฉื™ื
15:45
that would go on for hours and hours, until dawn.
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ืฉื ืžืฉื›ื• ืฉืขื•ืช ืืจื•ื›ื•ืช, ืขื“ ืขืœื•ืช ื”ืฉื—ืจ.
15:48
They were always magnificent, because the dancers were professionals
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ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืจื”ื™ื‘ื™ื ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ืจืงื“ื ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืงืฆื•ืขื ื™ื
15:51
and they were terrific, right?
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ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื ื”ื“ืจื™ื, ื›ืŸ?
ืื‘ืœ ืžื“ื™ ืคืขื, ืœืขืชื™ื ื ื“ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืื•ื“, ืงืจื” ืžืฉื”ื•,
15:53
But every once in a while, very rarely, something would happen,
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15:56
and one of these performers would actually become transcendent.
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ื•ืื—ื“ ืžื”ืžื•ืคื™ืขื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ืžืชืขืœื” ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื•.
15:59
And I know you know what I'm talking about,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืขืœ ืžื” ืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช,
16:02
because I know you've all seen, at some point in your life,
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ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉื›ื•ืœื›ื ืจืื™ืชื ืžืชื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ืคืขื” ื›ื–ืืช.
16:05
a performance like this.
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16:06
It was like time would stop,
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขื•ืžื“ ืžืœื›ืช,
16:08
and the dancer would sort of step through some kind of portal
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ื•ื”ืจืงื“ืŸ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืขื•ื‘ืจ ื“ืจืš ืฉืขืจ ื›ืœืฉื”ื•
ื•ืืฃ ืฉืœื ืขืฉื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื•ื ื” ืžืžื” ืฉืขืฉื” ื‘ืืœืฃ ื”ืœื™ืœื•ืช ื”ืงื•ื“ืžื™ื,
16:11
and he wasn't doing anything different
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16:13
than he had ever done, 1,000 nights before,
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16:15
but everything would align.
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ืืš ื”ืคืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื—ืœืงื™ื ื ืคืœื• ืœืžืงื•ืžื.
16:16
And all of a sudden, he would no longer appear to be merely human.
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ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื ืจืื” ื‘ืŸ-ืชืžื•ืชื” ืกืชื.
ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื“ืœืง ื‘ืชื•ื›ื• ื•ืžืชื—ืชื™ื•
16:20
He would be lit from within, and lit from below
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16:22
and all lit up on fire with divinity.
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืขืจ ื‘ืืฉ ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ืช.
16:26
And when this happened, back then,
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ื•ื›ืฉื–ื” ืงืจื”, ื‘ืื•ืชื ื™ืžื™ื,
16:28
people knew it for what it was, you know, they called it by its name.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื™ื“ืขื• ืžื” ื–ื”, ื”ื ืงืจืื• ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉืžื•.
16:32
They would put their hands together and they would start to chant,
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ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉืœื‘ื™ื ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ื•ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœื–ืžืจ,
16:35
"Allah, Allah, Allah, God, God, God."
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"ืืœืœื”, ืืœืœื”, ืืœืœื”, ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืืœื•ื”ื™ื"
16:39
That's God, you know.
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ื–ื” ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืืชื ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื.
16:42
Curious historical footnote:
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ื”ืขืจืช ืฉื•ืœื™ื™ื ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ืช ืžืฉื•ื ื” -
16:45
when the Moors invaded southern Spain, they took this custom with them
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ื›ืฉื”ืžื•ืจื™ื ืคืœืฉื• ืœื“ืจื•ื ืกืคืจื“ ื”ื ืื™ืžืฆื• ืืช ื”ืžื ื”ื’,
16:50
and the pronunciation changed over the centuries
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ื•ื”ื”ื’ื™ื™ื” ื”ืฉืชื ืชื” ืœืื•ืจืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื
16:52
from "Allah, Allah, Allah," to "Olรฉ, olรฉ, olรฉ,"
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ืž-"ืืœืœื”, ืืœืœื”, ืืœืœื”," ืœ-"ืื•ืœื”, ืื•ืœื”, ืื•ืœื”,"
16:55
which you still hear in bullfights and in flamenco dances.
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ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืฉืžื•ืข ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื•ืช ืฉื•ื•ืจื™ื ื•ื‘ืจื™ืงื•ื“ื™ ืคืœืžื ืงื•
16:58
In Spain, when a performer has done something impossible and magic,
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ื‘ืกืคืจื“, ื›ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื‘ืฆืข ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืœืชื™-ืืคืฉืจื™ ื•ืงืกื•ื,
17:01
"Allah, olรฉ, olรฉ, Allah, magnificent, bravo,"
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"ืืœืœื”, ืื•ืœื”, ืื•ืœื”, ืืœืœื”, ื ืคืœื, ื‘ืจืื‘ื•"
17:05
incomprehensible, there it is -- a glimpse of God.
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ื‘ืœืชื™ ื ืชืคืก, ื–ื”ื• ื–ื” - ื ื™ืฆื•ืฅ ืืœื•ื”ื™.
17:08
Which is great, because we need that.
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ื•ื–ื” ื ืคืœื, ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ืœื–ื”.
17:10
But, the tricky bit comes the next morning,
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ืื‘ืœ, ื”ื—ืœืง ื”ื‘ืขื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื’ื™ืข ืœืžื—ืจืช ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ,
17:14
for the dancer himself, when he wakes up and discovers
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ื›ืฉื”ืจืงื“ืŸ ืขืฆืžื• ืžืชืขื•ืจืจ
17:17
that it's Tuesday at 11 a.m., and he's no longer a glimpse of God.
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ื•ืžื’ืœื” ืฉื–ื” ื™ื•ื ื’', 11 ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื ื™ืฆื•ืฅ ืืœื•ื”ื™.
17:21
He's just an aging mortal with really bad knees,
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ื”ื•ื ืจืง ื‘ืŸ-ืชืžื•ืชื” ืžื–ื“ืงืŸ ืขื ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช ื‘ืจื›ื™ื™ื,
17:24
and maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again.
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ื™ืชื ืฉื ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืื•ืชื ื’ื‘ื”ื™ื.
17:29
And maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins,
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ืื™ืฉ ืœื ื™ื–ืžืจ ืฉื•ื‘ ืืช ืฉื ืืœื•ื”ื™ื ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื—ื•ื’,
17:32
and what is he then to do with the rest of his life?
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ืื– ืžื” ืขืœื™ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื ืฉืืจื™ืช ื—ื™ื™ื•?
17:35
This is hard.
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ื–ื” ืงืฉื”.
17:37
This is one of the most painful reconciliations to make
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ื–ืืช ืื—ืช ื”ื”ืชืคื™ื™ืกื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื›ื•ืื‘ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœืขืฉื•ืช
17:39
in a creative life.
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ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ื™ืฆื™ืจื”.
17:42
But maybe it doesn't have to be quite so full of anguish
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ื–ื” ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืกื‘ืœ
17:45
if you never happened to believe, in the first place,
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ืื ืžืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœื ื”ืืžื ืช,
17:48
that the most extraordinary aspects of your being came from you.
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ืฉื”ื”ื™ื‘ื˜ื™ื ื”ืžื•ืคืœืื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืœ ืงื™ื•ืžืš ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืžืชื•ื›ืš.
17:52
But maybe if you just believed that they were on loan to you
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ืืœื ืจืง ื”ืืžื ืช ืฉื”ื ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื•ืฉืืœื• ืœืš
17:55
from some unimaginable source for some exquisite portion of your life
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ืžืืช ืžืงื•ืจ ื‘ืœืชื™ ื ืชืคืก ืœืžืฉืš ื—ืœืง ื ืคืœื ืžื—ื™ื™ืš
17:59
to be passed along when you're finished,
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ื•ื›ืฉืืชื” ืชืกื™ื™ื ื”ื ื™ื•ืขื‘ืจื• ื”ืœืื”, ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ.
18:01
with somebody else.
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18:02
And, you know, if we think about it this way, it starts to change everything.
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ื•ืื ื ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื›ื›ื”, ื–ื” ื™ืฉื ื” ื”ื›ืœ.
18:07
This is how I've started to think,
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ื›ื›ื” ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืื ื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘,
18:09
and this is certainly how I've been thinking in the last few months
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ื•ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื›ืš ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื
18:12
as I've been working on the book that will soon be published,
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ืฉื‘ื”ื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœ ืกืคืจ ืฉื™ืคื•ืจืกื ื‘ืงืจื•ื‘,
18:15
as the dangerously, frighteningly over-anticipated follow up
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ื•ืฉื”ืฆื™ืคื™ื•ืช ื”ืžื•ื’ื–ืžื•ืช ืžืžื ื• ื”ืŸ, ืœืžืจื‘ื” ื”ื—ืจื“ื” ื•ื”ืกื›ื ื”,
18:19
to my freakish success.
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ืฉื™ืžืฉื™ืš ืืช ื”ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื”ืžืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ืงื•ื“ื.
18:22
And what I have to sort of keep telling myself
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ื•ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื•ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืขืฆืžื™
18:25
when I get really psyched out about that is don't be afraid.
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ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ื ื˜ืจืคืช ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื”,
ื”ื•ื: ืืœ ืชืคื—ื“ื™.
18:29
Don't be daunted. Just do your job.
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ืืœ ืชืจืชืขื™.
ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืชืขืฉื™ ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš.
18:32
Continue to show up for your piece of it, whatever that might be.
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ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื™ ืœื‘ื•ื ื•ืœื‘ืฆืข ืืช ื”ื—ืœืง ืฉืœืš, ืžื” ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื™ื”ื™ื”.
18:35
If your job is to dance, do your dance.
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ืื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื ืœืจืงื•ื“, ืชืจืงื“ื™.
18:38
If the divine, cockeyed genius assigned to your case
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ืื ื”ื’ืื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืคื•ื–ืœืช ื•ื”ืฉืžื™ื™ืžื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ืชื” ืœื˜ืคืœ ื‘ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœืš
18:42
decides to let some sort of wonderment be glimpsed, for just one moment
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ืชื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื”ื ื™ื— ืœืื™ื–ื” ืงืกื ืœื”ื‘ื–ื™ืง ืœืจื’ืข
18:47
through your efforts, then "Olรฉ!"
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ืžื‘ืขื“ ืœืžืืžืฆื™ืš, ืื– "ืื•ืœื”!"
ื•ืื ืœื, ืชืขืฉื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืืช ื”ืจื™ืงื•ื“ ืฉืœืš .
18:50
And if not, do your dance anyhow.
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18:53
And "Olรฉ!" to you, nonetheless.
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ื•"ืื•ืœื”!" ืœืš, ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช.
18:54
I believe this and I feel that we must teach it.
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ืื ื™ ืžืืžื™ื ื” ื‘ื›ืš ื•ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœืžื“ ื–ืืช.
"ืื•ืœื”!" ืœืš, ืœืžืจื•ืช ื”ื›ืœ
18:57
"Olรฉ!" to you, nonetheless,
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18:58
just for having the sheer human love and stubbornness
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ืจืง ืขืœ ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ืš ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ื”ืื ื•ืฉื™ืช ื•ื”ืขืงืฉื ื•ืช
19:01
to keep showing up.
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ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื•ืœื‘ื•ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
19:03
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
19:05
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
19:07
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื”.
19:09
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
19:12
June Cohen: Olรฉ!
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ื’'ื•ึผืŸ ื›ื”ืŸ: ืื•ืœื”!
19:13
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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