Your elusive creative genius | Elizabeth Gilbert

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Prevoditelj: Irena Krčelić Recezent: Nenad Maljković
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I am a writer.
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Spisateljica sam.
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Writing books is my profession but it's more than that, of course.
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Pisanje knjiga moj je poziv i puno više od toga, naravno.
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It is also my great lifelong love and fascination.
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Ujedno je velika, doživotna ljubav i strast.
00:22
And I don't expect that that's ever going to change.
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Ne vjerujem da će se to ikada promijeniti.
00:25
But, that said, something kind of peculiar has happened recently
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No nedavno se dogodilo nešto neobično
00:30
in my life and in my career,
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u mom životu i karijeri,
00:32
which has caused me to have to recalibrate my whole relationship with this work.
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zbog čega sam iznova morala procijeniti odnos prema svom radu.
00:37
And the peculiar thing is that I recently wrote this book,
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Ne tako davno napisala sam knjigu,
00:40
this memoir called "Eat, Pray, Love"
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memoare pod naslovom "Jedi, moli, voli".
00:42
which, decidedly unlike any of my previous books,
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Za razliku od svih mojih prijašnjih knjiga
00:47
went out in the world for some reason, and became this big,
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ova je iz nekog razloga po izlasku postala veliki hit,
00:50
mega-sensation, international bestseller thing.
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mega senzacija i međunarodni bestseler.
00:53
The result of which is that everywhere I go now,
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Kamo god sada pođem gledaju me
00:57
people treat me like I'm doomed.
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kao da sam osuđena na propast.
00:59
Seriously -- doomed, doomed!
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Ozbiljno! Kao da mi se sprema slom.
01:02
Like, they come up to me now, all worried, and they say,
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Ljudi mi prilaze vrlo zabrinuti i kažu:
"Zar te nije strah da nećeš to moći nadmašiti?
01:05
"Aren't you afraid you're never going to be able to top that?
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01:09
Aren't you afraid you're going to keep writing for your whole life
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Ne bojiš li se da ćeš pisati do kraja života
01:12
and you're never again going to create a book
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a da nikada više nećeš napisati knjigu
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that anybody in the world cares about at all,
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do koje će ljudima biti stalo...
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ever again?"
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ikada... više?"
01:19
So that's reassuring, you know.
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To je zbilja ohrabrujuće.
01:22
But it would be worse, except for that I happen to remember
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Ali moglo bi biti i gore, jer sjećam se da kada sam
01:25
that over 20 years ago, when I was a teenager,
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prije 20 godina kao tinejdžerica prvi puta pričala
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when I first started telling people that I wanted to be a writer,
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da želim biti spisateljica,
susretala sam se s istom reakcijom, zasnovanom na strahu.
01:31
I was met with this same sort of fear-based reaction.
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Znali bi mi reći: "Zar te nije strah da nećeš uspjeti?
01:34
And people would say, "Aren't you afraid you're never going to have any success?
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01:37
Aren't you afraid the humiliation of rejection will kill you?
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Ne bojiš li se da će te poniženje i odbijanje ubiti?
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Aren't you afraid that you're going to work your whole life at this craft
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Ne plašiš li se da ćeš uložiti cijeli svoj život u to umijeće
i da od njega neće biti ništa
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and nothing's ever going to come of it
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pa ćeš umrijeti srca slomljena neostvarenim snovima
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and you're going to die on a scrap heap of broken dreams
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i usta punih gorkog pepela neuspjeha?"
01:48
with your mouth filled with bitter ash of failure?"
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(Smijeh)
01:51
(Laughter)
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01:52
Like that, you know.
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Tako nešto.
01:54
The answer -- the short answer to all those questions is, "Yes."
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Kratak odgovor na sva ta pitanja je "Da".
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Yes, I'm afraid of all those things.
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Da, sve me to plaši.
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And I always have been.
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I oduvijek me plašilo.
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And I'm afraid of many, many more things besides
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Bojim se i mnogih drugih stvari
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that people can't even guess at,
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koje ne možete ni naslutiti,
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like seaweed and other things that are scary.
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poput morskih trava i drugih grozota.
02:11
But, when it comes to writing,
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Što se tiče pisanja
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the thing that I've been sort of thinking about lately, and wondering about lately,
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u zadnje vrijeme razmišljam i pitam se - pa zašto?
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is why?
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Ima li to ikakvog smisla?
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You know, is it rational?
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Je li logično da bi se od bilo koga trebalo očekivati
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Is it logical that anybody should be expected
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to be afraid of the work that they feel they were put on this Earth to do.
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da se boji rada za koji osjeća da je stvoren?
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And what is it specifically about creative ventures
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Što nas to u kreativnim poduhvatima tjera
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that seems to make us really nervous about each other's mental health
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da nervozno propitkujemo svoje i tuđe mentalno zdravlje
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in a way that other careers kind of don't do, you know?
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dok ljudi drugih profesija to ne čine?
02:37
Like my dad, for example, was a chemical engineer
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Na primjer, moja tata je inženjer kemije.
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and I don't recall once in his 40 years of chemical engineering
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Ne sjećam se da ga je itko u njegovih 40 godina karijere
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anybody asking him if he was afraid to be a chemical engineer, you know?
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upitao boji li se biti inženjerom kemije.
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"That chemical-engineering block, John, how's it going?"
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Ta strašna kemičarska blokada... pa, John, kako ti ide?
02:54
It just didn't come up like that, you know?
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Toga jednostavno nema.
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But to be fair, chemical engineers as a group
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Ali, ako ćemo pravo, inženjeri kemije
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haven't really earned a reputation over the centuries
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nisu tijekom stoljeća zaradili reputaciju
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for being alcoholic manic-depressives.
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maničnih depresivaca i alkoholičara.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:07
We writers, we kind of do have that reputation,
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Nas pisce bije taj glas.
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and not just writers, but creative people across all genres,
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Ne samo pisce, već kreativce općenito.
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it seems, have this reputation for being enormously mentally unstable.
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Čini se da nas gledaju kao mentalno izrazito nestabilne.
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And all you have to do is look at the very grim death count
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Pogledajte samo tu tužnu statistiku
03:22
in the 20th century alone, of really magnificent creative minds
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dvadesetog stoljeća. Koliko je izvanrednih kreativnih umova
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who died young and often at their own hands, you know?
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umrlo prerano, često i od svoje ruke.
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And even the ones who didn't literally commit suicide
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Čak i one koji nisu doslovno počinili samoubojstvo
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seem to be really undone by their gifts, you know.
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kao da je dotukao vlastiti dar.
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Norman Mailer, just before he died, last interview, he said,
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Norman Mailer, u svom posljednjem intervjuu, tik prije smrti, rekao je:
03:39
"Every one of my books has killed me a little more."
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"Svaka moja nova knjiga pomalo me ubila."
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An extraordinary statement to make about your life's work.
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Kakva nevjerojatna izjava! Tako se izraziti o svom životnom djelu...
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But we don't even blink when we hear somebody say this,
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No, čak ni ne trepnemo kad čujemo takvu izjavu
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because we've heard that kind of stuff for so long
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jer smo toliko često čuli,
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and somehow we've completely internalized and accepted collectively
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u potpunosti usvojili i kolektivno prihvatili ideju
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this notion that creativity and suffering are somehow inherently linked
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da su kreativnost i patnja nerazdvojno povezani
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and that artistry, in the end, will always ultimately lead to anguish.
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i da će nas umjetnički put nedvojbeno dovesti do stradanja i propasti.
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And the question that I want to ask everybody here today
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Pitanje koje danas svima vama želim postaviti
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is are you guys all cool with that idea?
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jest... je li vama to stvarno prihvatljiva ideja?
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Are you comfortable with that?
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Je li vam to skroz u redu?
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Because you look at it even from an inch away and, you know --
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Jer kad se makar malo odmaknete od nje...
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I'm not at all comfortable with that assumption.
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Ja uopće nisam zadovoljna tom pretpostavkom.
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I think it's odious.
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Ja mislim da je grozna!
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And I also think it's dangerous,
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I još k tome opasna.
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and I don't want to see it perpetuated into the next century.
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Ne želim da se ponavlja i u narednom stoljeću.
Mislim da je bolje izvanredne, kreativne umove ohrabrivati da žive.
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I think it's better if we encourage our great creative minds to live.
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04:29
And I definitely know that, in my case -- in my situation --
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Sa sigurnošću mogu reći, u mojoj bi situaciji
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it would be very dangerous for me to start sort of leaking down that dark path
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bilo vrlo opasno da krenem padati niz mračnu stazu
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of assumption,
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te pretpostavke, osobito u ovom razdoblju
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particularly given the circumstance that I'm in right now in my career.
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moje karijere.
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Which is -- you know, like check it out,
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Pogledajte me...
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I'm pretty young, I'm only about 40 years old.
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još sam prilično mlada, tek mi je četrdesetak.
Predamnom je možda još 4 desetljeća rada.
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I still have maybe another four decades of work left in me.
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04:54
And it's exceedingly likely that anything I write from this point forward
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I vrlo je vjerojatno da će što god da napišem, od ovog trenutka na dalje,
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is going to be judged by the world as the work that came after
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biti ocijenjeno kao djelo nastalo nakon
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the freakish success of my last book, right?
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zastrašujućeg uspjeha moje prošle knjige.
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I should just put it bluntly, because we're all sort of friends here now --
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Reći ću to izravno, jer smo svi ovdje više-manje prijatelji,
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it's exceedingly likely that my greatest success is behind me.
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prilično je vjerojatno da je moj najveći uspjeh iza mene.
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So Jesus, what a thought!
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Zaboga, kakva pomisao!
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That's the kind of thought that could lead a person
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To je baš ona vrsta misli koja vas može dovesti do toga
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to start drinking gin at nine o'clock in the morning,
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da počnete piti džin u devet sati ujutro.
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and I don't want to go there.
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A ja ne bih tim putem.
05:23
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:24
I would prefer to keep doing this work that I love.
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Radije bih nastavila s poslom koji volim.
Što dovodi do pitanja - kako?
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And so, the question becomes, how?
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05:30
And so, it seems to me, upon a lot of reflection,
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Nakon mnogo razmišljanja, čini mi se da
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that the way that I have to work now, in order to continue writing,
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kako bih nastavila pisati
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is that I have to create some sort of protective psychological construct, right?
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moram osmisliti neku vrstu psihološke zaštite.
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I have to sort of find some way to have a safe distance
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Pronaći neku vrstu distance koja će me štititi
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between me, as I am writing, and my very natural anxiety
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i koju ću, dok pišem, postaviti između mene i moje prirodne tjeskobe
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about what the reaction to that writing is going to be, from now on.
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koja brine o reakciji na moj budući rad.
05:52
And, as I've been looking, over the last year,
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Prošle sam godine tražila uzore prema kojima bih to učinila.
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for models for how to do that,
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05:57
I've been sort of looking across time,
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Kao da sam pretraživala povijest
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and I've been trying to find other societies
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i pokušavala pronaći drukčija društva
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to see if they might have had better and saner ideas than we have
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koja su možda imala bolje i zdravije zamisli od onih koje mi imamo
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about how to help creative people
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o tome kako pomoći kreativcima da se nose
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sort of manage the inherent emotional risks of creativity.
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s neizbježnim emotivnim rizicima kreativnosti.
06:11
And that search has led me to ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
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Potraga me dovela u antičko doba: u Grčku i Rim.
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So stay with me, because it does circle around and back.
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Pratite me, jer priča ide u širinu i napravit će puni krug.
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But, ancient Greece and ancient Rome --
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Dakle... u antičko doba
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people did not happen to believe that creativity
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ljudi nisu vjerovali da kreativnost
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came from human beings back then, OK?
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dolazi od ljudskih bića.
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People believed that creativity was this divine attendant spirit
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Vjerovali su da je kreativnost božanski, zaštitnički duh
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that came to human beings from some distant and unknowable source,
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koji je ljudskom biću prišao iz dalekog i nespoznatljivog izvorišta,
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for distant and unknowable reasons.
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zbog dalekih i nespoznatljivih razloga.
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The Greeks famously called these divine attendant spirits of creativity "daemons."
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Stari Grci ta su božanska bića, zaštitnike kreativnosti nazivali "demonima".
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Socrates, famously, believed that he had a daemon
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Sokrat je bio poznat po tome što je vjerovao da ima demona
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who spoke wisdom to him from afar.
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koji mu je šaptao mudrost u uho iz daljina.
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The Romans had the same idea,
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Stari Rimljani dijelili su istu ideju,
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but they called that sort of disembodied creative spirit a genius.
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no oni su te bestjelesne duhove kreativnosti nazivali "genijima".
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Which is great, because the Romans did not actually think
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To je odličan primjer, jer Rimljani zapravo nisu vjerovali
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that a genius was a particularly clever individual.
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da je genij neka osobito pametna osoba.
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They believed that a genius was this, sort of magical divine entity,
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Vjerovali su da je genij neko magično božansko biće
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who was believed to literally live in the walls of an artist's studio,
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koje doslovno živi u zidovima
umjetnikovog studija, poput kućnog vilenjaka,
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kind of like Dobby the house elf,
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and who would come out
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koje izlazi van, nevidljivo pomaže umjetniku pri poslu
07:12
and sort of invisibly assist the artist with their work
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i tako oblikuje krajnji ishod djela.
07:15
and would shape the outcome of that work.
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07:17
So brilliant -- there it is, right there, that distance that I'm talking about --
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I eto, odlično! To je upravo ta distanca o kojoj govorim,
07:21
that psychological construct to protect you from the results of your work.
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ta psihološka barijera koja nas štiti od rezultata našeg rada.
07:25
And everyone knew that this is how it functioned, right?
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I svi su znali da to tako funkcionira.
07:29
So the ancient artist was protected from certain things,
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Pa je antički umjetnik bio zaštićen od,
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like, for example, too much narcissism, right?
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primjerice, previše narcizma.
07:34
If your work was brilliant, you couldn't take all the credit for it,
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Ako bi tvoje djelo bilo izvrsno, ne bi mogao sve zasluge pripisati sebi.
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everybody knew that you had this disembodied genius who had helped you.
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Svi su znali da imaš bestjelesnog genija koji ti je pomagao.
07:41
If your work bombed, not entirely your fault, you know?
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A ako ti je djelo bilo bez veze to nije bila samo tvoja greška.
07:44
Everyone knew your genius was kind of lame.
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Svi su znali da je tvoj genij ispao bezveznjak.
07:47
(Laughter)
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Dugo su vremena i ljudi Zapada o kreativnosti promišljali na taj način.
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And this is how people thought about creativity in the West
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for a really long time.
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Onda je stigla renesansa i sve se promijenilo.
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And then the Renaissance came and everything changed,
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07:55
and we had this big idea, and the big idea was,
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Dobili smo veliku ideju. A ona glasi:
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let's put the individual human being at the center of the universe
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"Haj'mo staviti ljudsku osobu u središte svemira,
ponad svih bogova i misterija". Pa više nije bilo mjesta
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above all gods and mysteries,
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08:02
and there's no more room for mystical creatures
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za mistična bića koja prenose božanski diktat.
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who take dictation from the divine.
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08:06
And it's the beginning of rational humanism,
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Bio je to početak racionalizma
08:08
and people started to believe that creativity
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i ljudi su počeli vjerovati da kreativnost
u potpunosti proizlazi iz osobnosti ljudskog bića.
08:11
came completely from the self of the individual.
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08:13
And for the first time in history,
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Po prvi puta u pisanoj povijesti
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you start to hear people referring to this or that artist as being a genius,
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mogli ste čuti da o se nekom umjetniku govori kao da jest genij,
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rather than having a genius.
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umjesto da neki umjetnik ima genija uza sebe.
08:22
And I got to tell you, I think that was a huge error.
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Iskreno, mislim da je to bila velika greška.
08:25
You know, I think that allowing somebody, one mere person
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Dopustiti nekome, jednoj običnoj osobi
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to believe that he or she is like, the vessel,
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da vjeruje da je posuda,
08:32
you know, like the font and the essence and the source
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i izvorište, i srž, i izvor sveprisutne
božanske, stvaralačke, nespoznatljive, vječne misterije...
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of all divine, creative, unknowable, eternal mystery
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is just a smidge too much responsibility to put on one fragile, human psyche.
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To kao da je mrvicu prevelika odgovornost za krhku ljudsku psihu.
08:44
It's like asking somebody to swallow the sun.
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Otprilike kao da nekoga tražite da proguta sunce.
08:48
It just completely warps and distorts egos,
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To sasvim iskrivljuje i izobličuje ego
08:50
and it creates all these unmanageable expectations about performance.
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i stvara sva ta nebulozna očekivanja rezultata.
08:54
And I think the pressure of that
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Smatram da je taj strašan pritisak
08:56
has been killing off our artists for the last 500 years.
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ubijao naše umjetnike posljednih 500 godina.
08:59
And, if this is true,
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Ako je to točno,
09:02
and I think it is true,
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a ja mislim da jest,
09:03
the question becomes, what now?
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postavlja se pitanje - što sad?
09:06
Can we do this differently?
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Možemo li što promijeniti?
09:08
Maybe go back to some more ancient understanding
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Možda bismo se mogli vratiti drevnom shvaćanju
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about the relationship between humans and the creative mystery.
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odnosa između ljudskih bića i stvaralačke misterije.
09:16
Maybe not.
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A možda i ne.
09:17
Maybe we can't just erase 500 years of rational humanistic thought
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Možda ne možemo obrisati 500 godina racionalističke filozofije
09:21
in one 18 minute speech.
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u jednom 18-minutnom govoru.
09:23
And there's probably people in this audience
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U publici se zasigurno nalaze ljudi
09:26
who would raise really legitimate scientific suspicions
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koji će, znanstveno sasvim legitimno,
09:30
about the notion of, basically, fairies
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podići obrvu na spomen vila i vilenjaka
09:33
who follow people around rubbing fairy juice on their projects and stuff.
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koji naokolo slijede ljude posipajući im čarobni prah po projektima.
09:38
I'm not, probably, going to bring you all along with me on this.
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Najvjerojatnije neću uspjeti baš sve vas zainteresirati za tu ideju.
09:42
But the question that I kind of want to pose is --
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No, pitanje koje bih rado postavila je...
09:45
you know, why not?
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Zašto da ne?
09:47
Why not think about it this way?
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Zašto ne bismo o tome razmišljali na taj način?
09:49
Because it makes as much sense as anything else I have ever heard
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Jer ima jednako smisla kao i sva ostala objašnjenja koja sam čula
09:53
in terms of explaining the utter maddening capriciousness
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za krajnje izluđujuću hirovitost
09:57
of the creative process.
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kreativnog procesa.
09:58
A process which, as anybody who has ever tried to make something --
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Procesa koji se, kao što znaju svi koji su probali nešto stvoriti
- a rekla bih da su to svi ovdje prisutni -
10:02
which is to say basically everyone here ---
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knows does not always behave rationally.
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ne ponaša uvijek predvidljivo i racionalno.
10:07
And, in fact, can sometimes feel downright paranormal.
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Ponekad je to skoro pa paranormalno iskustvo.
10:11
I had this encounter recently
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Nedavno sam imala priliku sresti izvanrednu američku pjesnikinju Ruth Stone.
10:13
where I met the extraordinary American poet Ruth Stone,
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10:17
who's now in her 90s, but she's been a poet her entire life
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Ušla je u devedesete i cijeloga je života pjesnikinja.
10:20
and she told me that when she was growing up in rural Virginia,
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Ispričala mi je kako je odrastajući u ruralnom dijelu Virginije
10:23
she would be out working in the fields,
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često radila u polju.
10:25
and she said she would feel and hear a poem
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Osjetila bi i čula pjesmu
10:28
coming at her from over the landscape.
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kako joj dolazi u susret s druge strane horizonta.
10:30
And she said it was like a thunderous train of air.
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Kaže da je to bilo poput gromkog zračnog vala
10:33
And it would come barreling down at her over the landscape.
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koji bi se stuštio preko polja prema njoj.
Po podrhtavanju tla znala je da pjesma stiže.
10:36
And she felt it coming, because it would shake the earth under her feet.
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10:39
She knew that she had only one thing to do at that point,
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Znala je da u takvim trenucima jedino što može jest,
10:42
and that was to, in her words, "run like hell."
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prema njenim riječima, "pojuriti kao da ju vrag goni".
10:44
And she would run like hell to the house
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I tako bi mahnito trčala prema kući
10:46
and she would be getting chased by this poem,
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dok ju je pjesma gonila
jer valjalo je zgrabiti papir i olovku dovoljno brzo
10:48
and the whole deal was that she had to get to a piece of paper and a pencil
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da stigne uhvatiti pjesmu dok tutnji kroz nju,
10:52
fast enough so that when it thundered through her, she could collect it
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da bi je prenijela na papir.
Znalo se događati da ne uspije trčati dovoljno brzo
10:56
and grab it on the page.
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10:57
And other times she wouldn't be fast enough,
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iako je davala sve od sebe jureći niz polja. Kad ne bi stigla na vrijeme do kuće,
10:59
so she'd be running and running, and she wouldn't get to the house
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pjesma bi samo projurila kroz nju, neuhvaćena.
11:02
and the poem would barrel through her and she would miss it
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Tada bi se nastavila kotrljati niz polja
11:05
and she said it would continue on across the landscape,
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tražeći, kako Ruth kaže, "nekog drugog pjesnika".
11:08
looking, as she put it "for another poet."
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A ponekad bi
11:10
And then there were these times --
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this is the piece I never forgot --
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- ovaj dio priče neću nikada zaboraviti -
11:13
she said that there were moments where she would almost miss it, right?
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ponekad bi se dogodilo da ju skoro ne uhvati.
11:17
So, she's running to the house and she's looking for the paper
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Dok bi trčala kući, tražeći komad papira
a pjesma bi kroz nju tutnjala,
11:20
and the poem passes through her,
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11:21
and she grabs a pencil just as it's going through her,
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ugrabila bi olovku baš u trenutku kad bi pjesma kroz nju prošla
11:24
and then she said, it was like she would reach out with her other hand
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i ona bi pružila drugu ruku i posegnula za njom
da ju uhvati.
11:27
and she would catch it.
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Tako bi uhvatila pjesmu za rep
11:29
She would catch the poem by its tail,
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i povukla je natraške u svoje tijelo
11:31
and she would pull it backwards into her body
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11:33
as she was transcribing on the page.
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dok bi ju zapisivala na stranicu.
11:35
And in these instances, the poem would come up on the page perfect and intact
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U tim slučajevima, pjesma bi se pojavila na papiru, savršena i neoštećena
11:40
but backwards, from the last word to the first.
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no zapisana natraške, od posljednje riječi prema prvoj.
11:43
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:45
So when I heard that I was like -- that's uncanny,
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Kad sam to čula... ma nevjerojatno!
11:50
that's exactly what my creative process is like.
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Baš tako izgleda i moj kreativni proces.
11:52
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:56
That's not at all what my creative process is -- I'm not the pipeline!
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Ma ne. Moje stvaralaštvo nije takvo - ja nisam cjevovod!
11:59
I'm a mule, and the way that I have to work
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Ja sam mazga. Moj način rada zahtijeva
12:01
is I have to get up at the same time every day,
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da ustajem u isto vrijeme svako jutro
znojim se i napinjem i probijam se na kojekakve nezgodne načine.
12:04
and sweat and labor and barrel through it really awkwardly.
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No, pa čak i ja, u svojoj mazgovitosti,
12:06
But even I, in my mulishness,
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12:08
even I have brushed up against that thing, at times.
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čak sam i ja to dotakla, ponekad.
12:12
And I would imagine that a lot of you have too.
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Vjerujem da ste i vi to iskusili.
12:14
You know, even I have had work or ideas come through me from a source
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Čak su i meni djela i ideje stizale s izvora
12:18
that I honestly cannot identify.
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kojeg, iskreno, ne mogu razabrati.
12:20
And what is that thing?
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Što je to?
12:22
And how are we to relate to it in a way that will not make us lose our minds,
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I kako se prema tome možemo odnositi tako da ne izgubimo razum,
12:26
but, in fact, might actually keep us sane?
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već, dapače, da nam pomogne kako bismo ostali bistre glave?
12:29
And for me, the best contemporary example that I have of how to do that
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Najbolji suvremeni primjer na kojeg sam naišla
12:33
is the musician Tom Waits,
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je glazbenik Tom Waits.
12:35
who I got to interview several years ago on a magazine assignment.
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Intervjuirala sam ga prije nekoliko godina za jedan časopis.
12:39
And we were talking about this,
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I tako smo razgovarali o tome, a znate da je
12:41
and you know, Tom, for most of his life, he was pretty much the embodiment
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Tom cijeloga života bio pravo utjelovljenje
12:44
of the tormented contemporary modern artist,
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izmučenog suvremenog umjetnika
koji pokušava upravljati, kontrolirati i dominirati
12:47
trying to control and manage and dominate
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12:49
these sort of uncontrollable creative impulses
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tim neukrotivim kreativnim impulsima
12:51
that were totally internalized.
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koji su mu potpuno iznutra.
12:53
But then he got older, he got calmer,
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S vremenom, s godinama, postajao je sve smireniji
12:55
and one day he was driving down the freeway in Los Angeles,
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i jednog dana vozio je auto cestom kroz Los Angeles, kaže,
12:58
and this is when it all changed for him.
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i tada se sve promijenilo.
13:00
And he's speeding along, and all of a sudden
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Dok je stiskao gas, iznenada
13:02
he hears this little fragment of melody,
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začuje djelić melodije koja mu se pojavila u umu,
13:06
that comes into his head as inspiration often comes, elusive and tantalizing,
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kako to inspiracija često dođe, nedostižna i nadražujuća
13:10
and he wants it, it's gorgeous,
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i on ju želi, predivna je,
13:12
and he longs for it, but he has no way to get it.
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čezne za njom, ali nema je kako uhvatiti.
13:14
He doesn't have a piece of paper, or a pencil, or a tape recorder.
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Nema komad papira, nema olovku,
nema diktafon.
13:17
So he starts to feel all of that old anxiety start to rise in him
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Osjeti kako ga preplavljuje dobro mu poznata tjeskoba
nešto u stilu: "Dođavola, izgubit ću ju
13:21
like, "I'm going to lose this thing,
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13:22
and I'll be be haunted by this song forever.
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i onda će me ta pjesma zauvijek progoniti.
13:24
I'm not good enough, and I can't do it."
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I sve drugo što napišem, neće biti dovoljno dobro."
13:26
And instead of panicking, he just stopped.
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Umjesto da se prepusti navali panike, zaustavio se.
13:28
He just stopped that whole mental process and he did something completely novel.
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Prekinuo je cijeli taj mentalni slijed u svojoj glavi
i napravio nešto sasvim drugačije. Nešto novo.
13:32
He just looked up at the sky, and he said,
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Pogledao je prema nebu i rekao:
13:35
"Excuse me, can you not see that I'm driving?"
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"Oprosti, zar ne vidiš da vozim?"
13:38
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
13:42
"Do I look like I can write down a song right now?
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"Da li ti izgledam kao da sad mogu zapisati melodiju?
13:44
If you really want to exist, come back at a more opportune moment
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Ako doista želiš postojati, vrati se u nekom prikladnijem trenutku
13:48
when I can take care of you.
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kad se mogu pobrinuti za tebe.
13:50
Otherwise, go bother somebody else today.
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Ako baš moraš danas, odi gnjaviti nekog drugog.
13:53
Go bother Leonard Cohen."
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Idi gnjavi... Leonarda Cohena."
13:56
And his whole work process changed after that.
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Nakon tog događaja njegov se kreativni proces promijenio.
13:59
Not the work, the work was still oftentimes as dark as ever.
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Ne njegov rad, djela su mu često mračna kao i inače,
14:03
But the process, and the heavy anxiety around it
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već kreativni proces. Grozna tjeskoba koja ga je pratila
14:06
was released when he took the genie, the genius out of him
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nestala je kada je duh genija izvadio iz samog sebe,
14:09
where it was causing nothing but trouble, and released it back where it came from,
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gdje je samo stvarao probleme, i vratio ga tamo odakle je stigao
shvativši da stvaralaštvo ne mora biti unutarnji, mučenički proces.
14:13
and realized that this didn't have to be this internalized, tormented thing.
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Zašto ne bi radije bilo čudnovata, čudesna, neuobičajena suradnja?
14:17
It could be this peculiar, wondrous, bizarre collaboration,
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14:20
kind of conversation between Tom and the strange, external thing
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Neka vrsta razgovora između Toma i nepoznate, izvanjske sile
14:24
that was not quite Tom.
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koja nije u potpunosti Tom.
14:26
When I heard that story, it started to shift a little bit
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Kad sam čula tu priču, i sama sam napravila pomak
14:29
the way that I worked too, and this idea already saved me once.
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u načinu na koji sam stvarala i to me već jednom spasilo.
14:32
It saved me when I was in the middle of writing "Eat, Pray, Love,"
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Ta zamisao me spasila usred pisanja "Jedi, moli, voli".
14:35
and I fell into one of those sort of pits of despair
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Pala sam u jednu od onih provalija očajanja
14:38
that we all fall into when we're working on something and it's not coming
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u koji svi upadamo kad radimo na nečemu, a nikako da nam krene
14:41
and you start to think this is going to be a disaster, the worst book ever written.
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pa počnemo misliti: "To će biti prava katastrofa."
Najgora knjiga ikad napisana.
14:45
Not just bad, but the worst book ever written.
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Ne samo loša, već najgora knjiga svih vremena!
Kad sam počela razmišljati trebam li odustati,
14:48
And I started to think I should just dump this project.
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14:51
But then I remembered Tom talking to the open air
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sjetila sam se Toma kako priča zraku
14:54
and I tried it.
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i odlučila pokušati isto.
14:56
So I just lifted my face up from the manuscript
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Podigla sam pogled s rukopisa
14:59
and I directed my comments to an empty corner of the room.
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i izravno se obratila praznom kutu sobe.
15:02
And I said aloud, "Listen you, thing,
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Rekla sam na glas: "Slušaj ti... nešto,
15:05
you and I both know that if this book isn't brilliant
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ti i ja vrlo dobro znamo da ukoliko knjiga ne ispadne sjajno
15:08
that is not entirely my fault, right?
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to neće biti sasvim moja greška.
15:10
Because you can see that I am putting everything I have into this,
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I sam možeš vidjeti da dajem sve od sebe.
15:13
I don't have any more than this.
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Više od toga nemam.
15:15
If you want it to be better, you've got to show up and do your part of the deal.
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Pa ako želiš da knjiga bude bolja, izvoli se pojaviti i napraviti svoj dio posla.
U redu? Ali ako nećeš, nema veze.
15:19
But if you don't do that, you know what, the hell with it.
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Ja ću nastaviti pisati jer to je moj posao.
15:22
I'm going to keep writing anyway because that's my job.
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15:24
And I would please like the record to reflect today
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I molim neka uđe u zapisnik da sam se danas
uredno pojavila i odradila svoj dio.
15:27
that I showed up for my part of the job."
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(Smijeh)
15:29
(Laughter)
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15:32
Because --
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Jer...
15:34
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
15:36
Because in the end it's like this, OK --
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na kraju krajeva, to je ovako...
15:38
centuries ago in the deserts of North Africa,
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Prije nekoliko stoljeća, u pustinjama sjeverne Afrike
15:41
people used to gather for these moonlight dances of sacred dance and music
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ljudi su se okupljali i plesali svete plesove pod mjesečinom
15:45
that would go on for hours and hours, until dawn.
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plesali su satima i satima, sve do zore.
15:48
They were always magnificent, because the dancers were professionals
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Uvijek su bili prekrasni! Plesači su bili profesionalci.
15:51
and they were terrific, right?
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Plesali su izvanredno.
Tu i tamo, ne baš često, dogodilo bi se nešto neobično
15:53
But every once in a while, very rarely, something would happen,
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15:56
and one of these performers would actually become transcendent.
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i jedan od izvođača nadišao bi sebe.
15:59
And I know you know what I'm talking about,
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Znate o čemu govorim, jer svi ste
16:02
because I know you've all seen, at some point in your life,
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u nekom trenutku svog života vidjeli takvu izvedbu.
16:05
a performance like this.
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16:06
It was like time would stop,
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Vrijeme kao da stane
16:08
and the dancer would sort of step through some kind of portal
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a plesač kao da zakorači kroz neki tajni prolaz
i čini sve isto kao što je činio već tisuću puta prije
16:11
and he wasn't doing anything different
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16:13
than he had ever done, 1,000 nights before,
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16:15
but everything would align.
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no, sada se sve povezalo.
16:16
And all of a sudden, he would no longer appear to be merely human.
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I najednom, skoro pa da ne izgleda kao čovjek.
Kao da iz njega zrači svjetlost, iznutra i izvana.
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He would be lit from within, and lit from below
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and all lit up on fire with divinity.
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Obasjan je svjetlošću božanskoga.
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And when this happened, back then,
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Kada bi se to dogodilo, u ono drevno vrijeme
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people knew it for what it was, you know, they called it by its name.
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ljudi su znali što se zbiva. Imali su ime za to.
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They would put their hands together and they would start to chant,
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Spojili bi ruke i počeli zazivati:
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"Allah, Allah, Allah, God, God, God."
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"Allah, Allah, Allah! Bog, Bog, Bog!"
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That's God, you know.
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To je Bog!
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Curious historical footnote:
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Zanimljiva povijesna fusnota...
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when the Moors invaded southern Spain, they took this custom with them
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kad su Mauri okupirali južnu Španjolsku, donijeli su sa sobom i taj običaj.
16:50
and the pronunciation changed over the centuries
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Izgovor se tijekom stoljeća promijenio
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from "Allah, Allah, Allah," to "Olé, olé, olé,"
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iz :"Allah, Allah, Allah!" u "Olé, Olé, Olé!", što i danas
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which you still hear in bullfights and in flamenco dances.
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čujete na borbama bikova i pri plesanju flamenka.
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In Spain, when a performer has done something impossible and magic,
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U Španjolskoj, kad izvođač napravi nešto nemoguće i čudesno, čuje se
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"Allah, olé, olé, Allah, magnificent, bravo,"
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"Allah, Olé, Olé, Allah, veličanstveno, bravo,
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incomprehensible, there it is -- a glimpse of God.
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nespoznatljivo, evo ga - tračak samog Boga."
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Which is great, because we need that.
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To je predivno. Svima nam to treba.
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But, the tricky bit comes the next morning,
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Nezgodno postaje jutro poslije,
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for the dancer himself, when he wakes up and discovers
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za samog plesača. Kad se probudi
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that it's Tuesday at 11 a.m., and he's no longer a glimpse of God.
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i shvati da je danas utorak, 11 sati ujutro, i da on više nije tračak Boga.
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He's just an aging mortal with really bad knees,
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Već smrtnik koji stari i bole ga koljena
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and maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again.
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i možda nikad više neće doseći te vrhunce.
17:29
And maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins,
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Možda nikad nitko više neće zazivati Boga dok on pleše.
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and what is he then to do with the rest of his life?
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I što da sad radi s ostatkom života?
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This is hard.
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Teško je to.
17:37
This is one of the most painful reconciliations to make
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To je nešto najbolnije s čime se trebamo pomiriti
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in a creative life.
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u svom životu stvaratelja.
17:42
But maybe it doesn't have to be quite so full of anguish
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No možda to ne bi bilo tako zahtjevno i tjeskobno
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if you never happened to believe, in the first place,
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kada ne bismo, za početak, vjerovali
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that the most extraordinary aspects of your being came from you.
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da najizvrsniji dijelovi našeg bića dolaze od nas samih.
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But maybe if you just believed that they were on loan to you
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Zašto ne bismo vjerovali da ih samo posuđujemo
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from some unimaginable source for some exquisite portion of your life
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od nekog nezamislivog izvora, tijekom veličanstvenog dijela svog života
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to be passed along when you're finished,
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a kad završimo, onda ih proslijedimo dalje, nekom drugom.
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with somebody else.
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And, you know, if we think about it this way, it starts to change everything.
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Kada bismo počeli tako razmišljati, to bi promijenilo sve.
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This is how I've started to think,
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Tako sam ja počela razmišljati,
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and this is certainly how I've been thinking in the last few months
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pogotovo zadnjih nekoliko mjeseci
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as I've been working on the book that will soon be published,
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dok sam radila na knjizi koja će uskoro ugledati svjetlo dana
18:15
as the dangerously, frighteningly over-anticipated follow up
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kao zastrašujući, totalno preočekivani nastavak
18:19
to my freakish success.
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mog jezovitog uspjeha.
18:22
And what I have to sort of keep telling myself
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Moram si to govoriti i dalje
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when I get really psyched out about that is don't be afraid.
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kad izludim od svega.
"Ne boj se."
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Don't be daunted. Just do your job.
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"Ne plaši se."
"Samo radi svoj posao."
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Continue to show up for your piece of it, whatever that might be.
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Samo nastavi redovito dolaziti. Odradi svoj dio posla, ma kakav bio.
18:35
If your job is to dance, do your dance.
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Ako je tvoje da plešeš, pleši.
18:38
If the divine, cockeyed genius assigned to your case
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Ako božanski, prevrtljivi genij dodijeljen tvom slučaju
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decides to let some sort of wonderment be glimpsed, for just one moment
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odluči da se na trenutak tračak božanstvenosti nazre
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through your efforts, then "Olé!"
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baš kroz tvoj trud, tada "Olé!"
Ako ne, samo nastavi plesati.
18:50
And if not, do your dance anyhow.
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And "Olé!" to you, nonetheless.
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I "Olé!" tebi, bez obzira.
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I believe this and I feel that we must teach it.
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Vjerujem to. Osjećam da to moramo podučavati.
"Olé!" tebi, bez obzira.
18:57
"Olé!" to you, nonetheless,
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18:58
just for having the sheer human love and stubbornness
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Zbog čiste ljudske ljubavi i tvrdoglavosti
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to keep showing up.
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da se pojaviš.
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Thank you.
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Hvala.
19:05
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
19:07
Thank you.
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Hvala.
19:09
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
19:12
June Cohen: Olé!
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June Cohen: "Olé!"
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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