Games with Luke's English Podcast - Advanced Listening Practice

Anna: You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast, a

Anna: Slušate English Like A Native Podcast,

listening resource for intermediate and advanced level English learners.

izvor za slušanje za učenike srednje i napredne razine engleskog jezika.

Today is a very special episode as we are joined by one of my favourite

Danas je vrlo posebna epizoda jer nam se pridružuje jedan od mojih omiljenih

guests, Luke from Luke's English Podcast, which is an incredible podcast

gostiju, Luke iz Luke's English Podcasta, koji je nevjerojatan podcast

that you should all have a listen to.

koji biste svi trebali poslušati.

So in today's podcast, we are going to deep dive into a much

Stoga ćemo u današnjem podcastu duboko zaroniti u omiljenu

loved British pastime, board games.

britansku zabavu, društvene igre.

It's gonna be fun.

Bit će zabavno.

Without further ado, let's roll.

Bez daljnjega, idemo.

What do you do when you are with company, say your family or your friends, and

Što radite kada ste u društvu, recimo s obitelji ili prijateljima, a

the conversation has begun to dry up and you are feeling a little bit bored?

razgovor počne presušivati ​​i pomalo vam je dosadno?

Well, you may decide to rummage around in the cupboard, to dig out and dust

Pa, možda se odlučite preturati po ormaru, iskopati i obrisati prašinu

off a board game to pass the time.

od društvene igre da vam prođe vrijeme.

In the UK, dice rolling, card shuffling, and arguing about who's

U Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu, bacanje kockica, miješanje karata i svađa oko toga tko

cheating is a much loved pastime.

vara vrlo je omiljena zabava.

And here for a second time to discuss the ins and outs, the ups and downs of board

I ovdje po drugi put da razgovaramo o detaljima i nedostacima, usponima i padovima društvenih

games is Luke from Luke's English Podcast.

igara je Luke iz Luke's English Podcasta.

Welcome back Luke.

Dobro došao natrag Luka.

Luke: Hi Anna.

Luka: Bok Anna.

Thanks for having me back.

Hvala što ste me vratili.

Anna: Oh, thank you for returning.

Anna: Oh, hvala ti što si se vratio.

I haven't scared you off that's the important thing.

Nisam te uplašio, to je najvažnije.

Luke: No, this is a great topic.

Luke: Ne, ovo je sjajna tema.

Yeah, I love board games.

Da, volim društvene igre.

Anna: You do.

Anna: Imaš.

You have a big love of Monopoly.

Imate veliku ljubav prema Monopolu.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Dakle, upravo smo dosta dugo razgovarali o Monopoliju u mojoj emisiji, razgovarali smo više od sat vremena

So we just talked about Monopoly at some length on my show, we did over an hour's

worth of conversation only about Monopoly.

samo o Monopoliju.

Anna: Yeah.

Who would've thought there was so much to say about the game?

Anna: Da.

Tko bi rekao da ima toliko toga za reći o igri?

Luke: Well, yeah.

Luke: Pa da.

It is actually a fascinating game, as we've just discussed with all of

To je zapravo fascinantna igra, kao što smo upravo razgovarali sa svim

the different strategies, the sort of statistics, the mathematics, the politics,

različitim strategijama, vrstama statistike, matematike, politike,

the things it says about society and yeah, all the things we are getting

stvarima koje govori o društvu i da, svim stvarima u kojima griješimo

wrong, that everyone gets wrong when they play it, and all those other things.

, da svi pogriješi kad sviraju, i sve te druge stvari.

Anna: A really important strategy that I think we've taken away from

Anna: Stvarno važna strategija za koju mislim da smo je oduzeli iz

that particular episode that anyone who's interested in Monopoly should

te određene epizode da bi svatko tko je zainteresiran za Monopoly

definitely go and listen to the episode just to learn the strategy, if not to

svakako trebao otići i poslušati epizodu samo da bi naučio strategiju, ako ne i da bi

learn lots of fabulous English phrases.

naučio mnogo fantastičnih engleskih fraza.

Luke: Yeah, absolutely.

Luke: Da, apsolutno.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: I'll put a link in the description so everyone can check that out later.

Anna: Stavit ću poveznicu u opis kako bi svi to mogli provjeriti kasnije.

But do you play lots of games?

Ali igrate li puno igara?

Do you have a game cupboard in your house?

Imate li u kući ormarić za igru?

Luke: Yeah, we do.

Luke: Da, imamo.

So we've got, like the sort of bottom compartment of a cupboard in

Dakle, imamo, poput donjeg pretinca ormarića u

my daughter's bedroom has got all the board games stuffed into it.

spavaćoj sobi moje kćeri, u koji su natrpane sve društvene igre.

So yeah, we definitely have a games cupboard.

Pa da, definitivno imamo ormarić za igre.

Back in my childhood home, when I was growing up, in my parents'

U kući mog djetinjstva, dok sam odrastao, u

house, we had a kind of a wooden box.

kući mojih roditelja, imali smo neku vrstu drvene kutije.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And we would open up the wooden kind of a chest, and that was full of

Anna: Da.

Luke: I otvorili bismo drvenu škrinju, koja je bila puna

all the different games and things, some of which have survived, including that

raznih igara i stvari, od kojih su neke preživjele, uključujući onaj

old monopoly set and various others.

stari monopoly set i razne druge.

So, yeah.

Pa da.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: So we have a couple of spaces in our house where we keep our games

Anna: Dakle, imamo nekoliko mjesta u našoj kući gdje držimo svoje igre

because I've, you know, got two young children and it is possibly the same...

jer ja, znaš, imam dvoje male djece i moguće je da je isto...

you said yours is in your daughter's bedroom.

rekao si da je tvoje u spavaćoj sobi tvoje kćeri.

I mean, the risk there, 'cause I think your daughter's quite young, the risk

Mislim, postoji rizik, jer mislim da je vaša kći prilično mlada, postoji rizik

there is that they might take them out when they're exploring one day and you're

da bi ih mogli izvaditi van dok istražuju jednog dana, a vi

not looking, and then you find that there are lots of pieces missing or shoved into

ne gledate, a onda otkrijete da ima puno komada nestale ili gurnute na

lots of different places all mixed up.

mnogo različitih mjesta, sve pomiješano.

So we have been separating our stuff for a while, with the

Stoga već neko vrijeme odvajamo naše stvari, a

majority of the games accessible in the kind of kiddie's play area.

većina igara dostupna je u dječjoj igraonici.

We have those IKEA cupboards, you know, there's the, I think

Imamo one IKEA ormariće, znate, tamo je, mislim da

they're called Kallax or something.

se zovu Kallax ili tako nešto.

There's like, everyone has one of these cupboards in the UK if they

Svatko ima jedan od ovih ormara u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu ako kupuje

shop at IKEA for any furniture, they all have these Kallax units.

bilo kakav namještaj u IKEA-i, svi imaju te Kallax jedinice.

And we've got about five of them around the house.

I imamo ih oko pet oko kuće.

So we just fill one of those with the accessible games that we don't mind

Pa samo ispunimo jedan od njih dostupnim igrama koje nam ne smeta da

the children just grabbing at will.

ih djeca grabe po volji.

And then we have an inaccessible cupboard that has all the more advanced games,

A onda imamo nedostupan ormarić koji ima sve naprednije igre,

like the chess sets and things like that.

poput šahovskih garnitura i sličnih stvari.

Luke: Right.

Luke: Točno.

Anna: And the jigsaw puzzles.

Anna: I slagalice.

I'm a big fan of jigsaws.

Veliki sam obožavatelj ubodnih pila.

How about you?

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

A ti?

Luke: O, da, da.

I love a jigsaw, and of course it's very good that you keep the jigsaw puzzles

Volim slagalicu i naravno da je jako dobro da slagalicu držite

away from the little kids because you cannot let any of those pieces go missing.

podalje od male djece jer ne smijete dopustiti da nijedan od tih dijelova nestane.

Anna: No.

Luke: Because if you try and do a jigsaw and there's one piece missing, then ah,

Anna: Ne. Luke: Jer ako pokušaš napraviti ubodnu pilu i jedan dio nedostaje, onda

that's the worst thing in the world.

je to najgora stvar na svijetu.

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: A 1000-piece jigsaw has to be complete and if you put all that time into

Anna: Da, da.

Luke: Slagalica od 1000 dijelova mora biti potpuna i ako uložite sve to vrijeme u

doing it, and then at the end there's just one missing piece, it really ruins it.

to, a onda na kraju samo jedan dio nedostaje, to je stvarno uništi.

But yeah, I do like a jigsaw.

Ali da, volim slagalicu.

They, you know, it forces you to slow down and take the time to just

Oni, znate, to vas tjera da usporite i odvojite vrijeme da se

focus on building that picture.

usredotočite samo na stvaranje te slike.

And there are strategies involved as well in jigsaws.

A tu su i strategije uključene u slagalice.

Anna: How do you do your jigsaws?

Anna: Kako radiš svoje ubodne pile?

Luke: So you find all the edge pieces first, obviously.

Luke: Dakle, prvo nađeš sve rubne dijelove, očito.

Anna: Of course.

Anna: Naravno.

Luke: Corner pieces are vital and then edges.

Luke: Kutni dijelovi su vitalni, a onda rubovi.

And then, well, you just do your best from there, don't you really?

I onda, pa, jednostavno daš sve od sebe, zar ne?

Anna: Do you look at the picture?

Anna: Gledaš li sliku?

Luke: Oh yeah, of course.

Luke: O da, naravno.

Anna: Ah, see, the most fun is to spend about 60 seconds, before you

Anna: Ah, vidiš, najzabavnije je provesti oko 60 sekundi, prije nego što počneš

start, studying the picture, and then you never look at it again.

, proučavajući sliku, a onda je više nikad ne pogledaš.

Luke: Oh my God.

Luka: O moj Bože.

But that's too difficult, surely.

Ali to je preteško, sigurno.

Anna: Well, if you...

Anna: Pa, ako...

it depends on the jigsaw.

ovisi o slagalici.

We once did a jigsaw of the Rosetta Stone, and actually, I think that's

Jednom smo radili slagalicu kamena iz Rosette, i zapravo, mislim da je to

the one jigsaw that defeated us.

jedina slagalica koja nas je porazila.

We had to first look at the picture and even then we couldn't get it.

Morali smo prvo pogledati sliku i ni tada je nismo mogli dobiti.

So we ended up putting that one away.

Tako da smo završili tako da smo to sklonili.

But often we will just study the picture initially and then put it

Ali često ćemo samo proučiti sliku u početku, a zatim je odložiti

away and then try and figure it out without ever looking at the picture.

i pokušati shvatiti, a da je uopće ne pogledamo.

It does take a long time.

To traje dugo.

It will often take maybe a week or two, which now, because we've got

Često će potrajati možda tjedan ili dva, što sada, budući da imamo

the kids, we can't just leave it out on the table 'cause the kids

djecu, ne možemo jednostavno ostaviti na stolu jer

will be like, "oh, what's this?

će djeca reći: "Oh, što je ovo?

I help, I help."

Ja pomažem, ja Pomozite."

Putting them everywhere.

Stavljati ih posvuda.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But we did just buy one of these mats.

Anna: Ali upravo smo kupili jednu od ovih prostirki.

And, sorry, this is jigsaws.

A, oprostite, ovo su ubodne pile.

This is completely off topic, but anyway, we bought one of these

Ovo je potpuno izvan teme, ali svejedno, kupili smo jednu od ovih

mats that you can roll up with a big inflatable like sausage.

prostirki koje možete smotati velikim gumenjakom poput kobasice.

You lay the jigsaw out on the mat, and then when you finished for that

Položite ubodnu pilu na prostirku, a onda kada završite s tom

session, you just roll it very carefully around this inflatable sausage.

sesijom, samo je pažljivo motate oko ove kobasice na napuhavanje.

And then just tie it off.

I onda ga samo zavežite.

And then you can travel with it, take it with you, unroll it somewhere else.

A onda možete putovati s njim, ponijeti ga sa sobom, odmotati ga negdje drugdje.

Luke: Right.

Luke: Točno.

So you're not restricted to just doing the jigsaw in this one location.

Dakle, niste ograničeni samo na izradu slagalice na ovom jednom mjestu.

Yeah.

Anna: Exactly.

Da. Anna: Upravo tako.

But for us, it's a protection thing to get it away from the kids.

Ali za nas je stvar zaštite maknuti ga od djece.

Luke: Very good.

Luka: Vrlo dobro.

Very smart move.

Vrlo pametan potez.

Yeah,

Da,

Anna: We would never buy jigsaws from a charity shop, as well.

Anna: Ni mi nikada ne bismo kupili ubodne pile u dobrotvornoj trgovini.

Like we have a little jigsaw club in my group of friends

Kao da imamo mali klub slagalica u mojoj grupi prijatelja

locally and we swap jigsaws.

lokalno i mijenjamo slagalice.

So we're always on the lookout for good jigsaws in different,

Stoga smo uvijek u potrazi za dobrim ubodnim pilama u različitim

like garden centres and shops.

vrtnim centrima i trgovinama.

But I would never buy from a charity shop because you can't guarantee if it's a

Ali nikada ne bih kupovao u dobrotvornoj trgovini jer ne možete jamčiti je li

complete jigsaw, and I'm sure the charity shop don't say, "Hey Vera, can you just

cijela slagalica, a siguran sam da dobrotvorna trgovina ne kaže: "Hej Vera, možeš li samo

complete the puzzle and make sure it's complete before we put it for sale?"

dovršiti slagalicu i provjeriti je li potpuna prije stavili smo ga na prodaju?"

But I did break my rule when recently visiting the charity shop to reward my

Ali prekršio sam svoje pravilo kad sam nedavno posjetio dobrotvornu trgovinu kako bih nagradio svoje

boys who had slept through the night for five consecutive nights, got their

dječake koji su prespavali noć pet uzastopnih noći, dobili svoje

little stars on their star chart, and I said, okay, five stars you can go

male zvjezdice na svojoj karti, i rekao sam, u redu, pet zvjezdica možete ići

to the charity shop and pick anything.

u dobrotvorne svrhe kupovati i birati bilo što.

And while we were there, I saw a jigsaw, which was a map of the world, and I

I dok smo bili tamo, vidio sam ubodnu pilu, koja je bila karta svijeta, i

thought, it's a little bit old for them at the moment, but wouldn't this be a

pomislio sam, to im je trenutno malo staro, ali ne bi li ovo bila

great thing to help teach them geography?

sjajna stvar da im pomogne u učenju geografije?

So we bought it and broke it out with them.

Pa smo ga kupili i provalili s njima.

We did it on the floor.

Učinili smo to na podu.

The hardest jigsaw I think I've ever done.

Mislim da je najteža slagalica koju sam ikada napravio.

I had to actually look at the picture, because it's not a typical jigsaw shape.

Morao sam zapravo pogledati sliku, jer nije tipičan oblik slagalice.

All the pieces are only the shape of the countries.

Svi dijelovi su samo oblik zemalja.

Luke: Ah, I see.

Luke: Ah, vidim.

Anna: And so when you get to like Africa...

Anna: I kad ti se Afrika zavoli...

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: And there's all these teeny, tiny little, you know,

Anna: I tu su sve te male, sićušne, znaš,

countries, all fit together.

zemlje, sve se uklapaju.

Luke: A lot of them are straight lines as well in Africa, in

Luke: Mnogi od njih su ravne linije iu Africi, u

the central parts of Africa.

središnjim dijelovima Afrike.

Yeah.

Anna: It was so hard.

Da. Anna: Bilo je tako teško.

So hard.

Tako teško.

It is really good.

Stvarno je dobar.

I mean, it was teaching me a thing or two about where places are.

Mislim, naučilo me ponešto o tome gdje su mjesta.

It makes you realise like, oh, I know where this place is.

Natjera vas da shvatite kao, oh, znam gdje je ovo mjesto.

No, I actually don't.

Ne, zapravo ne znam.

I've got no idea.

Nemam pojma.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

My parents have got the same thing, but for all the counties in...

Da. Moji roditelji imaju isto, ali za sve okruge u...

Anna: Right.

Luke: In, I think it's only in England, just the English counties.

Anna: Tako je.

Luke: U, mislim da je samo u Engleskoj, samo u engleskim okruzima.

And yeah, that's surprisingly difficult as well because you kind of think

I da, to je također iznenađujuće teško jer na neki način mislite da

you know them, but that's very hard.

ih poznajete, ali to je jako teško.

Anna: I'm terrible at geography.

Anna: Loša sam u zemljopisu.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Absolutely terrible.

Anna: Apsolutno užasno.

So I wouldn't be able to do that.

Tako da ja to ne bih mogao.

And the globe one ended up me, just me on the floor.

A onaj globus me završio, samo ja na podu.

The kids got bored, and so they were off doing their Play-Doh or whatever it was.

Djeci je postalo dosadno, pa su otišli raditi svoj Play-Doh ili što god je to bilo.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And I'm there doing this jigsaw on my own, on the floor and

Luke: Da. Anna: I tamo sam radila ovu slagalicu sama, na podu i

there were three pieces missing at the end, and I was just devastated.

na kraju su nedostajala tri dijela, i bila sam shrvana.

But it turned out, They weren't missing, they were under the rug.

Ali pokazalo se, nisu nestali, bili su ispod tepiha.

The boys had helped me by stuffing them under the rug.

Dečki su mi pomogli strpajući ih pod tepih.

Luke: Right, yeah.

Luke: Točno, da.

That's the thing with jigsaws, you've gotta watch out for all the pieces.

To je stvar s ubodnim pilama, moraš paziti na sve dijelove.

But I do love jigsaws.

Ali ja volim ubodne pile.

I love doing jigsaws of maps, but I will look at the picture.

Volim slagati karte, ali pogledat ću sliku.

You know, I don't consider that to be cheating 'cause ultimately if I

Znate, ja to ne smatram varanjem, jer da sam

was doing it without looking at the picture, I would have a horrible time.

to radio bez gledanja slike, užasno bih se proveo.

So why make life difficult for yourself, you know?

Pa zašto si otežavati život, znaš?

Anna: Well, you should try it.

Anna: Pa, trebala bi probati.

Luke: I suppose so.

Luke: Pretpostavljam.

Anna: I challenge you.

Don't take a really hard picture that's just like clouds or waves.

Anna: Izazivam te.

Nemojte snimiti jako tešku sliku koja je poput oblaka ili valova.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or trees.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Ili drveće.

Rose bushes.

Grmovi ruža.

Just, you know, take something that's a mixture of things that you can figure out.

Samo, znate, uzmite nešto što je mješavina stvari koje možete shvatiti.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: You know, I think it's fun.

Anna: Znaš, mislim da je zabavno.

Luke: Jigsaws with lots and lots of little details are great.

Luke: Sjajne su ubodne pile s puno, puno malih detalja.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Like one of my favourites is the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album cover.

Anna: Mm-hmm. Luke: Jedna od mojih najdražih je naslovnica albuma Beatlesa Sergeant Pepper.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Because every single portion of that picture has got

Anna: Da. Luke: Jer svaki pojedini dio te slike ima

something interesting in it.

nešto zanimljivo u sebi.

Alexa: Someone's at the front door.

Anna: Sorry, Alexa is so rude.

Alexa: Netko je na ulaznim vratima.

Anna: Oprosti, Alexa je tako nepristojna.

Luke: You are being interrupted by Alexa.

Luke: Prekinula te je Alexa.

Anna: She always does this.

Anna: Ona to uvijek radi.

Luke: What's Alexa saying to you?

Luke: Što ti Alexa govori?

Anna: Someone's at the front door.

Anna: Netko je na ulaznim vratima.

Bing bong.

Bing bong.

Luke: This happened to us last time, Anna.

Luke: Ovo nam se dogodilo prošli put, Anna.

Anna: It always happens.

I've unplugged her.

Anna: To se uvijek dogodi.

Isključio sam je.

Luke: Alexa is so helpful and yet unhelpful at the same time.

Luke: Alexa je tako korisna, a opet beskorisna u isto vrijeme.

Anna: So, what was I talking about?

Anna: Pa, o čemu sam pričala?

I was doing a podcast when I was talking about how a lot of English words come from

Radio sam podcast kada sam govorio o tome kako mnogo engleskih riječi dolazi iz

Arabic or have a relationship to Arabic.

arapskog ili ima veze s arapskim.

And I was going through the list and one of the words was elixir, an

Pregledavao sam popis i jedna od riječi bila je eliksir,

elixir and she kept coming on going,

eliksir, a ona je nastavila,

"I'm sorry, I don't know that one right now."

"Žao mi je, trenutno ne znam tu."

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I'm not talking to you!

Luke: Da.

Anna: Ne obraćam se tebi!

Luke: I'll be teaching in class in, you know, in English lessons and I say

Luke: Predavat ću u razredu, znaš, na satovima engleskog i reći ću

something that sounds like Hey, Siri.

nešto što zvuči kao Hej, Siri.

Oh!

Oh!

Anna: There we go.

Anna: Idemo.

Luke: Not talking to you now, doing a podcast.

Luke: Ne razgovaram s tobom sada, radim podcast.

Siri: Okay.

Siri: U redu.

Luke: Okay, says Siri.

Luke: Dobro, kaže Siri.

Anna: Brilliant.

Luke: Alright.

Anna: Sjajno.

Luke: U redu.

And I'll say something that sounds like that and, and Siri steps in and

I reći ću nešto što zvuči tako i, a Siri se umiješa i

says, "I'm sorry, I can't find that.

kaže, "Žao mi je, ne mogu to pronaći.

Here are some results from the internet", or something like that.

Evo nekih rezultata s interneta", ili nešto slično.

It's always a hilarious moment.

To je uvijek urnebesan trenutak.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

It's so rude.

It's so rude.

To je tako nepristojno.

To je tako nepristojno.

Someone should teach them some manners.

Netko bi ih trebao naučiti ponašanju.

Okay, so, jigsaws fantastic, but...

U redu, dakle, ubodne pile su fantastične, ali...

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: What's your default, what's your go-to game when you're, say,

Luke: Da.

Anna: Koja je tvoja zadana igra, koja je tvoja igra kada si, recimo,

with your family or your friends?

sa svojom obitelji ili prijateljima?

Luke: Well, obviously Monopoly, as we've said.

Luke: Pa, očito Monopoly, kao što smo rekli.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But other ones, Scrabble is a bit of a favourite, oh it's a tough one.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ali kod ostalih, Scrabble je pomalo omiljen, oh, težak je.

You know.

Znaš.

Anna: What, Scrabble's a tough one?

Anna: Što, Scrabble je težak?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or the question's tough?

Luke: Da. Anna: Ili je pitanje teško?

Luke: Scrabble is, well, both the question is tough because there are

Luke: Scrabble je, pa, i jedno i drugo pitanje je teško jer postoji

many games I could talk about, but I realise there are only a certain number

mnogo igara o kojima bih mogao govoriti, ali shvaćam da postoji samo određeni broj

of minutes that we can do this for.

minuta za koje to možemo učiniti.

But I mean, you know, we could do an hour on each game.

Ali mislim, znaš, mogli bismo raditi sat vremena na svakoj utakmici.

Anna: Why is Scrabble tough for you?

Anna: Zašto je Scrabble težak za tebe?

Luke: Well, it's just, you know, words innit?

Luke: Pa, samo, znaš, riječi nisu?

You know, just like, ahh...

Znaš, baš kao, ahh...

Anna: English words?

Anna: Engleske riječi?

Luke: English words, spelling.

Luke: Engleske riječi, pravopis.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But it's tough because I'm competing against, probably my mum and dad.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Ali teško je jer se natječem protiv, vjerojatno mame i tate.

And my wife, now she is French, but she's so good at Scrabble

A moja žena, sada je Francuskinja, ali je tako dobra u Scrabbleu

in English, it's frightening.

na engleskom, da je to zastrašujuće.

Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself when I play against her and, and lose.

Da, tako se sramim sebe kad igram protiv nje i izgubim.

I mean, you know, I suppose I shouldn't be, I should just be

Mislim, znaš, pretpostavljam da ne bih trebao biti, samo bih trebao biti

proud of my wife for being so good at Scrabble in a second language.

ponosan na svoju ženu jer je tako dobra u Scrabbleu na drugom jeziku.

We were on holiday in Brittany recently, and there was a Scrabble set in the room.

Nedavno smo bili na odmoru u Bretanji, au sobi je bio Scrabble set.

And it was a French Scrabble set.

I bio je to set French Scrabble.

Anna: Ah.

Luke: You might think, well, the alphabet's the same, but like the number

Anna: Ah.

Luke: Možda mislite, pa, abeceda je ista, ali kao što

of letters is, you know, the arrangement, the number of each letter is different.

je broj slova, znate, raspored, broj svakog slova je drugačiji.

And in a French Scrabble set, just so many vowels, just,

A u kompletu French Scrabble, samo toliko samoglasnika, jednostavno,

it's just like too many vowels.

to je kao previše samoglasnika.

'cause you know, in French spelling, they use a lot more vowels.

jer znaš, u francuskom pravopisu koriste puno više samoglasnika.

Anna: Do you have the ones with the, the little, um...

Anna: Imaš li one s, malim, hm...

Luke: Accents?

Luke: Naglascima?

No, there are no accents.

Ne, nema naglasaka.

They don't do accents, 'cause that would be too complicated.

Ne stavljaju naglaske, jer bi to bilo previše komplicirano.

But no, just, just way more vowels.

Ali ne, samo, samo puno više samoglasnika.

So I'm just like picking out my letters.

Tako da jednostavno biram svoja slova.

Just like, okay, E O U E.

Baš kao, u redu, EOU E.

Just O's U's and E's like millions of E's, and O'S and U's.

Samo O's U's i E's kao milijuni E-ova, i O'S i U's.

So that was complicated.

Dakle, to je bilo komplicirano.

And of course, you know, we, I was like, oh, there's a Scrabble set here.

I naravno, znate, mi, ja sam mislio, oh, ovdje je Scrabble set.

And my wife's like, should we play in English or French?

A moja žena kaže, trebamo li igrati na engleskom ili francuskom?

And you know, just, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to win in English.

I znaš, samo, znaš, ponekad mi je teško pobijediti na engleskom.

Yeah.

So there's really no chance of being able to win in French.

Da. Tako da stvarno nema šanse da pobijedite na francuskom.

But it's still a great game.

Ali to je još uvijek sjajna igra.

I do love like trying to find like the, it's not just about

Volim pokušavati pronaći poput ovoga, ne radi se samo o

finding the long words, but finding clever ways to use little words,

pronalaženju dugih riječi, već o pronalaženju pametnih načina za korištenje malih riječi,

but maximise the extra points.

ali maksimiziranje dodatnih bodova.

You know, if someone's put down a word with a Q in it or an X or something

Znate, ako je netko zapisao riječ s Q ili X ili nečim

like that, you can find a way to incorporate that X and get a triple

sličnim, možete pronaći način da ugradite taj X i dobijete trostruko

and land on a double at the same time.

i dođete na dvostruko u isto vrijeme.

And then you can get a massive score if you're clever enough.

A onda možete dobiti masivan rezultat ako ste dovoljno pametni.

Anna: And if you struggle with spelling, 'cause I am really

Anna: A ako se mučiš s pravopisom, jer ja stvarno

not very good at spelling.

nisam dobra u pravopisu.

I've improved a lot since teaching because I'm always looking at

Puno sam napredovao otkad predajem jer uvijek gledam

and writing out notes and looking at words and teaching them.

i zapisujem bilješke i gledam riječi i podučavam ih.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But I'm dyslexic, so spelling has always been a bit of a weak point.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Ali ja sam disleksična, tako da mi je pravopis uvijek bio pomalo slaba točka.

And I think I've often hidden behind that as an excuse.

I mislim da sam se često skrivao iza toga kao isprike.

Oh, I'm dyslexic, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it.

Oh, ja sam disleksičar, pa se neću previše brinuti oko toga.

But as a teacher, you try and hold yourself to account a bit more.

No, kao učitelj, pokušavate se malo više pozivati ​​na odgovornost.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And make sure what you're putting out is good.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: I pobrini se da ono što izbacuješ bude dobro.

So I think I've learned a lot with that.

Tako da mislim da sam time puno naučio.

So I think maybe I'll be better at Scrabble now than I used to be.

Pa mislim da ću sada možda biti bolji u Scrabbleu nego prije.

But you can get Junior Scrabble, can't you?

Ali možete dobiti Junior Scrabble, zar ne?

So if you're an English learner, maybe Scrabble would be a

Dakle, ako učiš engleski, možda bi Scrabble bila

good game for you to play.

dobra igra za tebe.

Luke: Sure.

Anna: To help with your English.

Luke: Naravno. Anna: Da ti pomognem oko engleskog.

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno.

Anna: But perhaps a Junior Scrabble board initially would be good.

Anna: Ali možda bi u početku bila dobra Junior Scrabble ploča.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Absolutely.

Apsolutno.

Yeah.

All those things.

Da. Sve te stvari.

I mean, board games for learning English, a hundred percent.

Mislim, društvene igre za učenje engleskog, sto posto.

Great idea.

Odlična ideja.

'Cause, you know, it is basically a scenario in which you often have to use

Jer, znate, to je zapravo scenarij u kojem se često morate koristiti

language in order to complete the game.

jezik kako biste dovršili igru.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: It essentially takes away the need for forced social interaction.

Luke: To u biti uklanja potrebu za prisilnom društvenom interakcijom.

It's a great social lubricant, which is exactly what you need to practise English.

To je izvrstan društveni lubrikant, što je upravo ono što vam treba za vježbanje engleskog.

You know, you don't have to be like, oh and what we're gonna talk

Znaš, ne moraš biti kao, oh i o čemu ćemo

about now, you know, it's all there.

sada pričati, znaš, sve je tu.

You just have to play the game and you will be encouraged to use language.

Samo trebate igrati igru ​​i bit ćete potaknuti na korištenje jezika.

Some games involve language like Scrabble, for example, or some others and some games

Neke igre uključuju jezik kao što je Scrabble, na primjer, ili neke druge, a neke

also just encourage you to use language to achieve the outcome of the game.

vas igre također samo potiču da koristite jezik kako biste postigli ishod igre.

Like for example, if you have to negotiate in Monopoly for something, you know, for

Kao na primjer, ako morate pregovarati u Monopoliju za nešto, znate, na

example, that can be really good practice.

primjer, da to može biti jako dobra praksa.

So yeah, I should give a shout out to another teacher called Zdenek,

Dakle, da, trebao bih pohvaliti još jednog učitelja koji se zove Zdenek,

uh, Zdenek Lukas from the Czech Republic, who has been doing a

uh, Zdenek Lukas iz Češke Republike, koji radi podcast

podcast in English for many years.

na engleskom već mnogo godina.

And he likes to use board games as well.

A voli koristiti i društvene igre.

He's kind of a huge board game enthusiast, and he has a Discord

On je veliki entuzijast društvenih igara i ima Discord

server called the Achievers Chamber.

server koji se zove Achievers Chamber.

Right.

And they do play board games there in English.

Pravo. I tamo igraju društvene igre na engleskom.

So he's a good person to go to if you're interested in practising

Dakle, on je dobra osoba kojoj se možete obratiti ako ste zainteresirani za vježbanje

your English with board games.

engleskog uz društvene igre.

Anna: Fantastic.

Yeah, and I think having fun while learning is always really important for

Anna: Fantastično.

Da, i mislim da je zabava tijekom učenja uvijek jako važna za

motivation, also your brain, you process things and you know, it helps your memory.

motivaciju, također i vaš mozak, obrađujete stvari i znate, to pomaže vašem pamćenju.

If you are enjoying and releasing all those happy hormones.

Ako uživate i otpuštate sve te hormone sreće.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: While you are learning, it, you know, removes all the stress,

Luke: Da. Anna: Dok učite, to, znate, uklanja sav stres,

which isn't good for memory.

što nije dobro za pamćenje.

So, so play some games.

Dakle, igrajte neke igrice.

Now, one of the great things with Scrabble is getting a Scrabble dictionary and

E sad, jedna od sjajnih stvari sa Scrabbleom je dobivanje Scrabble rječnika i

learning some of the weird and bizarre words that you'll throw down on the

učenje nekih čudnih i bizarnih riječi koje ćete baciti na ploču

board and it's a high scorer and someone will go, "that's not a word!", and

i to je najbolji rezultat, a netko će reći, "to nije riječ!", a

you say, "hey, check out the Scrabble dictionary because it is a word."

vi kažete, "hej, provjeri Scrabble rječnik jer je to riječ."

I actually played for my school, funnily enough, terrible speller, but I played in

Zapravo sam igrao za svoju školu, smiješno, užasan pravopis, ali igrao sam

the Scrabble, like leagues at school, and there was always a whole bunch of random

Scrabble, poput liga u školi, i uvijek je postojala cijela hrpa nasumičnih

two letter words that I'm like, you would never use this word in a conversation.

riječi od dva slova za koje sam da nikad ne biste upotrijebili ovu riječ u razgovor.

What even is it?

Što je uopće?

But there're allowed because they're in the dictionary and one of these words

Ali one su dopuštene jer su u rječniku, a jedna od ovih riječi

is not even in the official dictionary.

nije ni u službenom rječniku.

It's allowed in the Scrabble dictionary, and it's an abbreviation of casual.

Dopušteno je u rječniku Scrabble i skraćenica je od casual.

It's cazh, spelled C-A-Z-H.

To je cazh, piše se CAZH.

Luke: C-A-Z-H?

Luka: CAZH?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Cazh.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Cazh. Luka: Stvarno, cazh?

Luke: Really, cazh?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Yeah, that Scrabble dictionary is very suspect, isn't it?

Luke: Da, taj Scrabble rječnik je vrlo sumnjiv, zar ne?

Don't you think?

Anna: Bit dodgy.

ne misliš li

Anna: Malo sumnjivo.

Bit dodgy.

Luke: Like it's, yeah, like, my parents, when we play Scrabble with them, they

Malo lukav.

Luke: Kao da, da, kao, moji roditelji, kad igramo Scrabble s njima, oni

basically ban the Scrabble dictionary.

zapravo zabranjuju Scrabble rječnik.

Anna: Right.

Luke: You know, because otherwise what happens is you just end up digging

Anna: Točno.

Luke: Znaš, jer inače se dogodi da jednostavno završiš kopajući

through the Scrabble dictionary, trying to justify some ridiculous three letter

po Scrabble rječniku, pokušavajući opravdati neku smiješnu

word that contains an X or something.

riječ od tri slova koja sadrži X ili tako nešto.

Or you know, you come out with Q I.

Ili znaš, izađeš s Q I.

It's like ah, qi?

To je kao ah, qi?

And so like, everyone's like qi, that's not a word.

I tako, svi su kao qi, to nije riječ.

Yeah, it is qi.

Da, to je qi.

It's pronounced 'key'.

It's a Chinese word.

Izgovara se 'ključ'.

To je kineska riječ.

It means energy.

To znači energiju.

Ah, there you go.

Ah, evo ga.

You know.

Znaš.

Anna: Yeah.

Your parents are a lot of fun.

Anna: Da.

Tvoji roditelji su jako zabavni.

You did an episode with them recently for the coronation?

Snimili ste epizodu s njima nedavno za krunidbu?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah, they are.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Da, jesu.

You can see a lot of your personality and where that's, well, not

Možete vidjeti dosta svoje osobnosti i gdje je to, dobro, nije

that your personality came from your parents, you are unique.

da je vaša osobnost došla od vaših roditelja, vi ste jedinstveni.

But, um...

Ali, ovaj...

Luke: Yeah, I did it myself.

Luke: Da, sam sam to napravio.

I built it on my own!

Sagradio sam ga sam!

Anna: But they are, they're good fun.

Anna: Ali jesu, dobra su zabava.

You can tell that they're quite astute and clever.

Može se reći da su prilično oštroumni i pametni.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Yeah, they are pretty smart and clever people.

Da, oni su prilično pametni i pametni ljudi.

Quite funny.

Baš smiješno.

Yeah, it's nice.

Da, lijepo je.

Yeah.

I'm lucky.

Da. imam sreće.

Lucky to have parents like that and yeah, it's nice to play board games with them.

Sreća je imati takve roditelje i da, lijepo je igrati društvene igre s njima.

It's always pretty good fun.

Uvijek je prilično dobra zabava.

Although you know, my wife's very competitive and my

Iako znate, moja žena je vrlo natjecateljski raspoložena i moj

dad is competitive, right.

tata je natjecateljski nastrojen, zar ne.

So there's, when the two of them clash heads...

Dakle, kad se njih dvoje sukobe glave...

Anna: Oh, they fight do they?

Anna: Oh, svađaju se, zar ne?

Luke: Well, in a nice way.

Luke: Pa, na lijep način.

Anna: Which side do I take?

Anna: Na koju stranu da stanem?

Obviously always your wife's.

Očito uvijek tvojoj ženi.

Luke: Yeah, of course.

Luke: Da, naravno.

But it's always interesting to see how the dynamic switches

Ali uvijek je zanimljivo vidjeti kako se dinamika mijenja

when the competition arrives.

kada dođe konkurencija.

But it's good.

Ali dobro je.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: No, it's great.

Anna: Da. Luka: Ne, super je.

Anna: Okay, so there's just two more words I'm gonna mention

Anna: U redu, ima još samo dvije riječi koje ću spomenuti

on Scrabble before we move on.

na Scrabbleu prije nego što nastavimo.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And one of them is zax, which is the highest scoring three

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: A jedna od njih je zax, što je riječ od tri slova s ​​najboljim rezultatom

letter word that you can have.

koju možete imati.

Luke: Z-A-X?

Luka: ZAX?

Anna: Zax, do you know what this is?

Anna: Zax, znaš li što je ovo?

Luke: Zax?

Luke: Zax?

Mm-hmm.

I've no idea what zax is.

Mm-hmm. Nemam pojma što je zax.

No one ever uses the word zax.

Nitko nikada ne koristi riječ zax.

I've never read it, heard it.

Nikad to nisam čitao, čuo.

Anna: It would be used in a specific industry.

Anna: Koristio bi se u određenoj industriji.

So if you work in a specific industry, it's a tool.

Dakle, ako radite u određenoj industriji, to je alat.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Like can you just pass me that zax over there.

Recimo, možeš li mi dodati onaj zax tamo.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Luke: It's a tool like that.

Luke: To je takav alat.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Sorry, pass, pass you what?

Anna: Da. Luke: Oprosti, dodaj, dodaj ti što?

The zax over there.

Zax tamo.

It's his first day on the job.

Ovo mu je prvi dan na poslu.

He doesn't know what a zax is.

On ne zna što je zax.

Anna: So it's an axe that a slater uses, so it's a specific axe for a

Anna: Dakle, to je sjekira koju koristi klesar, dakle to je posebna sjekira za

specific job of putting nails into slate.

određeni posao zabijanja čavala u škriljevac.

Luke: Slate, which is like things that would go on the roof of a house.

Luke: Škriljevac, što je poput stvari koje idu na krov kuće.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Da.

Luke: Okay.

A zax is a specific hammer for hitting nails into a roof.

Luke: U redu.

Zax je specifičan čekić za zabijanje čavala u krov.

Anna: Yeah, I believe so.

Anna: Da, vjerujem.

Don't quote me on that.

Nemoj me citirati o tome.

I might have got that wrong.

Možda sam krivo shvatio.

Luke: Yeah, I'll take your word for it.

Luke: Da, vjerujem ti na riječ.

Anna: A slater's axe.

Anna: Slaterova sjekira.

Now the other one, quite funny, is the word gangbang.

Sada druga, prilično smiješna, je riječ gangbang.

Luke: Oh yeah?

Luke: O da?

Anna: Oh yeah.

Anna: O da.

Luke: Oh yes, okay.

Luke: O da, dobro.

Wait, that's quite a long word as well for G A N G...

Čekaj, to je također duga riječ za GAN G...

Anna: Four, uh, four?

Anna: Četiri, uh, četiri?

Eight!

Luke: B A N G, eight.

Osam! Luke: BANG, osam.

So that's, yeah.

Dakle, to je, da.

If you've got a word that ends in a G on the board, and you've got

Ako imate riječ koja završava na G na ploči, a onda imate

'angbang' in your hand then, you know...

'angbang' u ruci, znate...

Anna: Boom!

Luke: Don't waste any time!

Anna: Boom! Luka: Ne gubi vrijeme!

Anna: Get on with the gangbang!

Anna: Nastavi s grupnjakom!

Luke: Yeah, exactly.

Luke: Da, točno.

Anna: So what I've got here is the word was allowed in the second edition of

Anna: Ono što imam ovdje jest da je riječ bila dopuštena u drugom izdanju

the Scrabble dictionary, but then it got removed from the third edition and

rječnika Scrabble, ali je onda uklonjena iz trećeg izdanja, a

then was reintroduced in the fourth.

zatim je ponovno uvedena u četvrtom.

Now apparently this is because it changed meaning over the time.

Očito je to zato što je s vremenom promijenilo značenje.

So gangbang, it's transitioned its meaning from participating

Dakle, grupnjak, promijenio je svoje značenje iz sudjelovanja

in gang related activities.

u aktivnostima povezanim s bandama.

Luke: Right.

Luke: Točno.

Gangbanging or to be a gangbanger.

Gangbanging ili biti gangbanger.

Anna: Yeah.

Yes.

Anna: Da.

Da.

Yeah.

So, me and my gang are gonna go and hang out in the fields

Da. Dakle, ja i moja družina idemo se družiti na poljima

and just make daisy chains.

i praviti lance tratinčica.

We're just having a gangbang.

Samo imamo grupnjak.

Luke: Um, I dunno about that.

Luke: Hm, ne znam za to.

I think it would be more like what, some guys going and

Mislim da bi to više ličilo na što, neki tipovi idu i

stealing a car or something, no?

kradu auto ili tako nešto, zar ne?

Anna: Maybe.

Luke: Or maybe something as innocent as just collecting flowers.

Anna: Možda.

Luke: Ili možda nešto tako nevino kao što je samo skupljanje cvijeća.

Yeah.

Da. Anna: Možda.

Anna: Perhaps.

I've never been involved with any gang activities.

Nikada nisam bio umiješan u aktivnosti bandi.

So, and some people might be listening, going, what on earth are they...?

Dakle, i neki ljudi možda slušaju, idu, što su oni, zaboga...?

Why are they laughing so much?

Zašto se toliko smiju?

What is going on?

Što se događa?

The like overarching meaning of this word that everyone knows it

Sveobuhvatno značenje ove riječi po kojoj je svi znaju

for is a bunch of chaps having intimate relations with one woman.

jest hrpa momaka koji imaju intimne odnose s jednom ženom.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And so that's why we're kind of like sniggering and giggling.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: I zato se nekako smiješimo i cerekamo.

Luke: About sex - lol.

Luke: O seksu - lol.

Anna: So yes, initially it was thought of as gang related activities

Anna: Dakle, da, u početku se o tome razmišljalo kao o aktivnostima povezanim s bandama

to then something quite naughty.

da bi potom bilo nešto prilično zločesto.

And then it went back to meaning participating in gang related activities.

A onda se vratilo na značenje sudjelovanja u aktivnostima vezanim uz bande.

I don't know how that happens.

Ne znam kako se to događa.

Luke: So as the word sort of drifted in and out of acceptability.

Luke: Dakle, kako je riječ nekako ulazila i izlazila iz prihvatljivosti.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: Riječ je postala jer, da, u Scrabbleu...

Luke: The word has become because, 'cause yeah, in Scrabble...

Anna: It was in and out, in and out.

Anna: Bilo je unutra i van, unutra i van.

In and out.

Unutra i van.

Luke: Yeah.

That's another way of saying it, Anna, yeah.

Luke: Da.

To je drugi način da se to kaže, Anna, da.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: 'Zato što u Scrabbleu, poput nepristojnosti ili tabua ili psovke nisu dopuštene,

Luke: 'Cause in Scrabble, like rude or taboo or swear words are not allowed,

which I find completely wrong and disappointing because I mean, you

što smatram potpuno pogrešnim i razočaravajućim jer mislim, znate

know, why exclude the swear words?

, zašto isključiti psovke?

Anna: Maybe it's because it's not family friendly.

Anna: Možda zato što nije obiteljski.

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Luke: O, da, da.

Okay.

If you're playing it with your grandma, and you write, you know, you put down

U redu. Ako se igraš sa svojom bakom, i napišeš, znaš, spustiš

gangbang and then, you know, you say, well, it's in the rules, grandma,

gangbang i onda, znaš, kažeš, pa, to je u pravilima, bako,

you're allowed to use that word.

dopušteno ti je koristiti tu riječ.

Yeah, I suppose they're just trying to prevent those sort of family, potential

Da, pretpostavljam da samo pokušavaju spriječiti takve obiteljske, potencijalne

problems that could be caused by writing extremely rude words on a board.

probleme koji bi mogli biti uzrokovani pisanjem krajnje nepristojnih riječi na ploču.

I mean, it, you know, depends how committed you are to winning

Mislim, to, znate, ovisi o tome koliko ste predani pobjedi

the game, doesn't it really?

u igri, zar ne?

If you're like, I'm gonna risk it all.

Ako si takav, riskirat ću sve.

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna write gangbang.

I ja ću, ja ću napisati gangbang.

I don't care what my grandparents think.

Nije me briga što moji baka i djed misle.

I wanna win this game and I'm prepared to defend my choice.

Želim pobijediti u ovoj utakmici i spreman sam braniti svoj izbor.

I'll Google it in front of them if I have to.

Proguglat ću to pred njima ako treba.

Anna: And display the trophy with pride.

Anna: I pokažite trofej s ponosom.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: Da. Anna: U redu.

So that's Scrabble.

Dakle, to je Scrabble.

We'll leave that there.

To ćemo ostaviti tamo.

Luke: Okay.

Yeah.

Luke: U redu.

Da.

Anna: So some, I think when it comes to board games, you're either a lover

Anna: Dakle, neke, mislim da kada je riječ o društvenim igrama, ili ste ljubitelj

of games that really take strategy and thinking, so they're like strategic

igara koje stvarno zahtijevaju strategiju i razmišljanje, pa su one poput strateških

games that you have to use your brain.

igara u kojima morate koristiti svoj mozak.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Or they're just a game of chance.

Anna: Ili su samo igra na sreću.

And I guess with younger children, a lot of their board games tend

I pretpostavljam da kod mlađe djece mnoge društvene igre obično

to be just rolling a dice or, you know, picking the right card.

budu samo bacanje kockica ili, znate, odabir prave karte.

It's all a game of chance.

Sve je to igra na sreću.

For example, Snakes and Ladders, the old classic Snakes and Ladders.

Na primjer, Snakes and Ladders, stari klasik Snakes and Ladders.

Luke: Snakes and Ladders.

Luka: Zmije i ljestve.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: You just have to get the right numbers and work your way up the board.

Anna: Samo moraš dobiti prave brojke i napredovati na ploči.

And what happens if you land on a ladder?

A što se događa ako staneš na ljestve?

Luke: You climb up it.

Luke: Popni se.

If you land on a snake's head, just like in the real world,

Ako sletite na zmijsku glavu, kao u stvarnom svijetu,

you slide all the way down.

skliznete dolje.

All the way down to its tail.

Sve do repa.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I mean, yeah.

It's not based in, it's not a very realistic game, I suppose.

Anna: Da. Luke: Mislim, da.

Pretpostavljam da nije bazirana na, nije baš realistična igra.

Anna: No.

Anna: Ne.

Luke: You're more likely to get bitten by the snake, I suppose.

Luke: Vjerojatnije je da će te zmija ugristi, pretpostavljam.

Especially if you land on its head.

Pogotovo ako mu padneš na glavu.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ali svejedno, da.

Luke: But anyway, yeah.

In terms of the game, yeah.

Što se tiče igre, da.

You climb up the ladder if you land at the bottom of it, if you're lucky enough.

Penjete se uz ljestve ako padnete na njihovo dno, ako imate dovoljno sreće.

And if you land on a snake's head, you slide all the way down to the bottom

A ako staneš na zmijsku glavu, sklizneš sve do dna

and it's, yeah, the drama, the, ahh no!

i to je, da, drama, ahh ne!

Slide all the way down!

Skliznite do kraja!

But yeah, the kids love it because it's pretty simple stuff.

Ali da, djeca to vole jer su prilično jednostavne stvari.

Anna: Yeah.

Aging up again.

Anna: Da.

Ponovno starenje.

One of the things I used to play a lot as a child was Trivial Pursuit.

Jedna od stvari koje sam često igrao kao dijete bila je Trivial Pursuit.

Did you ever play that?

Jeste li to ikada igrali?

Luke: Oh, yeah.

Luke: O, da. Volim pomalo Trivial Pursuit.

I love a bit of Trivial Pursuit.

Anna: What do you love about it?

Anna: Što ti se sviđa u vezi s tim?

Luke: I think the trivia more than the pursuit.

Luke: Mislim da su trivijalnosti više nego potraga.

Anna: Right.

Luke: In fact, I'm quite happy sometimes to just get the box of cards and just

Anna: Točno. Luke: Zapravo, ponekad sam vrlo sretan kada samo dobijem kutiju s kartama i samo

like, just ask me some questions.

mi postavite neka pitanja.

Let's ask each other questions, you know?

Postavljajmo jedni drugima pitanja, znaš?

Never mind about these bits of different coloured cheese in a wheel.

Nema veze s ovim komadićima sira različitih boja u kolutu.

Like what?

Kao što?

Just ask the questions.

Samo postavljajte pitanja.

Anna: Yeah.

That's right.

Anna: Da. Tako je.

I called it a pie in the notes, but you're right, it's a

U bilješkama sam to nazvao pita, ali u pravu ste, to je kolo

wheel and it's cheeses, right?

i to su sirevi, zar ne?

Luke: Well, I don't know, 'cause like when you play Trivial Pursuit, people will

Luke: Pa, ne znam, jer kao kad igrate Trivial Pursuit, ljudi će

just decide to call it a pie or cheese.

jednostavno odlučiti nazvati to pitom ili sirom.

It's cheese pies.

To su pite od sira.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I don't know really.

Anna: Da. Luka: Ne znam stvarno.

That's not written in the rules, is it?

To ne piše u pravilima, zar ne?

I dunno.

Segments, segments.

Ne znam.

Segmenti, segmenti.

Anna: It sounds really familiar.

Anna: Zvuči stvarno poznato.

As soon as you said cheese, that really made sense to me.

Čim ste rekli sir, to mi je stvarno imalo smisla.

I was like, yeah, that's what we used to call it.

Rekao sam, da, tako smo to zvali.

I couldn't remember.

Nisam se mogao sjetiti.

I'm sure that's what it's written as.

Siguran sam da je tako napisano.

You have a cheese.

Imate sir.

Luke: Because Trivial Pursuit, it's got a kind of air of slight

Luke: Jer Trivial Pursuit, ima neku vrstu blage

sophistication about it and sort of, oh, we're very clever and sophisticated.

sofisticiranosti i na neki način, oh, vrlo smo pametni i sofisticirani.

We know things about science and geography, and history

Znamo stvari o znanosti i zemljopisu, povijesti

and literature and the arts.

, književnosti i umjetnosti.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't think they're referring to those pieces as cheeses.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Ne mislim da te komade nazivaju sirevima.

I think they call them segments.

Mislim da ih zovu segmenti.

Anna: Oh, oh yes.

Anna: O, o da.

Luke: I guess so.

I would imagine so.

Luke: Valjda je tako.

Ja bih to zamislio.

Anna: That would be sensible.

Anna: To bi bilo razumno.

Yeah.

So for those listening, Trivial Pursuit is basically a round board game?

Da.

Dakle, za one koji slušaju, Trivial Pursuit je u osnovi okrugla društvena igra?

Well, it has a big circle that you have to get around, and as you keep going around

Pa, ima veliki krug koji morate zaobići, i dok ga stalno obilazite

it with your little piece that has loads of segments that are empty, you have

sa svojim malim komadićem koji ima hrpu segmenata koji su prazni, morate

to fill up your, let's call it a pie.

napuniti svoju, nazovimo to pitu.

You have to fill up your pie with all these little pieces.

Svoju pitu morate napuniti svim tim komadićima.

And you get those pieces by landing on different colours,

A te komade dobivate odabirom različitih boja,

which are different topics.

što su različite teme.

So you have things like sports and leisure, geography, arts and

Dakle, imate stvari poput sporta i slobodnog vremena, geografije, umjetnosti i

literature, things like that.

književnosti, takve stvari.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So different topics of questions and every time you land on

Luke: Da. Anna: Toliko različitih tema pitanja i svaki put kad staneš na

a square, you get asked that question.

kvadratić, postavi ti se to pitanje.

If you can answer it, you get your cheese or your segment or whatever it is.

Ako možete odgovoriti na njega, dobit ćete svoj sir ili svoj segment ili što god to bilo.

You get your piece.

Dobijaš svoj dio. Luka: Sir je dobar.

Luke: Cheese is good.

Anna: And when you fill up your entire pie, wheel, then you no

Anna: A kad napuniš cijelu svoju pitu, kotačić, onda

longer have to keep going around.

više ne moraš ići okolo.

You can move up the middle and it's the first person to then get, and

Možete se pomaknuti prema sredini i to je prva osoba koju dobijete, a

you have to roll the exact number.

vi morate baciti točan broj.

It's so frustrating to get into the middle and then you are the winner, and

Tako je frustrirajuće ući u sredinu i onda si pobjednik, i

I think that's the downfall of the game.

mislim da je to pad igre.

Like you said, the fun is the trivia, it's answering the questions.

Kao što ste rekli, zabava su trivijalnosti, to je odgovaranje na pitanja.

The boring bit is having to roll the dice and get the right numbers

Dosadno je bacati kockice i dobiti prave brojeve

to get to where you need to be.

da stignete tamo gdje trebate biti.

Luke: But it's quite clever in the way that they've made the game where

Luke: Ali prilično je pametno na način na koji su napravili igru ​​u kojoj

if it wasn't for the board and the cheeses and the pies and going around

da nije bilo daske, sireva i pita i išli okolo

and collecting cheese and going to the middle, if it wasn't for that,

i skupljali sir i odlazili u sredinu, da nije bilo toga ,

it would essentially just be a list of questions under different topics.

to bi u biti bio samo popis pitanja pod različitim temama.

Anna: It'd be a quiz.

Luke: It'd just be a quiz.

Anna: Bio bi to kviz. Luke: To bi bio samo kviz.

They could have sold it as a book.

Mogli su je prodati kao knjigu.

Anna: Yeah.

Just gone to the pub, gone to a pub quiz.

Anna: Da.

Upravo sam otišao u pub, otišao na pub kviz.

Luke: Yeah, exactly yeah.

No, obviously this is the joy of the board game as a thing that there's a

Luke: Da, točno da.

Ne, očito je ovo radost društvene igre kao stvari da postoji

board and you wait your turn, you roll some dice and yeah, you know, the ritual

ploča i čekate svoj red, bacite kockice i da, znate, ritual

of a board game is a fantastic thing.

društvene igre je fantastična stvar.

And so yeah, let's just turn a quiz into a board game.

I tako da, pretvorimo kviz u društvenu igru.

And they've done a very good job.

I napravili su jako dobar posao.

It's one of the most successful board games that's ever been created.

To je jedna od najuspješnijih društvenih igara ikada stvorenih.

Anna: Lots of versions of it.

Anna: Puno verzija toga.

I think for me, one of the downfalls is that it does go out of date.

Mislim da je za mene jedan od nedostataka to što zastarijeva.

If you are young, it goes out of date for you quite quickly.

Ako ste mladi, vrlo brzo vam zastarijeva.

So I was quite young when I started playing this, and there were questions

Dakle, bio sam prilično mlad kad sam počeo igrati ovo, i bilo je pitanja

about like, politics and things.

o tome poput, politike i stvari.

I was a kid.

Bio sam klinac.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I had no idea about, if you had like arts and leisure and it's about movies and

Luke: Da. Anna: Nisam imala pojma o tome, ako volite umjetnost i slobodno vrijeme, a radi se o filmovima i

things, it could be very much of its time and not as relevant or well-known, so...

ostalim stvarima, moglo bi biti dosta vremena i ne toliko relevantno ili poznato, tako da...

Luke: Also quite American-centric as well.

Luke: Također prilično usmjereno na Ameriku također.

Some of the early, maybe the first edition.

Neki od ranih, možda prvo izdanje.

That's the one I think that we've got at my parents' house.

To je onaj koji mislim da imamo u kući mojih roditelja.

It's always funny playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents that edition

Uvijek je smiješno igrati Trivial Pursuit s roditeljima tog izdanja

because there's always a moment where everyone sort of sneers at the game.

jer uvijek postoji trenutak u kojem se svi nekako rugaju igri.

This is written by an American, you know, like.

Ovo je napisao Amerikanac, znate, kao.

'Cause all the questions are about American public figures and American

Jer sva su pitanja o američkim javnim osobama i američkom

this and American that I think.

ovome i američkom onome što mislim.

So it's always quite funny when that, I mean, at some point someone gets it wrong.

Tako da je uvijek prilično smiješno kada to, mislim, u nekom trenutku netko krivo shvati.

And there's, this is an American, isn't it who wrote this?

I tu je, ovo je Amerikanac, zar nije ovo napisao?

Anna: You can always update the cards, just buy a fresh box I guess.

Anna: Uvijek možete ažurirati kartice, samo kupite svježu kutiju, pretpostavljam.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Anna: And just swap them in.

Anna: I samo ih zamijenite.

I'm gonna ask you a few questions now.

Sada ću vam postaviti nekoliko pitanja.

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Are you ready?

Luke: U redu.

Anna: Jeste li spremni?

Luke: Uh, no.

Luke: Uh, ne.

Anna: No?

Luke: But I'll answer them anyway.

Anna: Ne? Luka: Ali svejedno ću im odgovoriti.

Anna: Okay.

Anna: U redu.

So this one is a, what topic is this?

Dakle, ovo je, koja je ovo tema?

It gives you a clue when you know the topic.

Daje vam trag kada znate temu.

So this is a sports and leisure question.

Dakle, ovo je pitanje o sportu i slobodnom vremenu.

Luke: Sports and leisure.

Luka: Sport i slobodno vrijeme.

Okay.

U redu.

Anna: True or false?

Anna: Istina ili laž?

Competitive tickling exists.

Natjecateljsko škakljanje postoji.

Luke: Competitive tickling.

Luka: Natjecateljsko škakljanje.

That's when you tickle someone...

To je ono kad nekoga škakljaš...

Anna: Like when you like, rub them with your fingers to make them laugh.

Anna: Kao kad hoćeš, protrljaj ga prstima da se nasmije.

Luke: The ribs, under the arms, the soles of the feet,

Luke: Rebra, ispod pazuha, tabani,

competitive tickling, true or false?

natjecateljsko škakljanje, točno ili lažno?

It's, I'm gonna say it's true.

To je, reći ću da je istina.

I think it's true.

Mislim da je istina.

Anna: You are correct.

Anna: U pravu si.

You get a cheese.

Dobiješ sir.

Luke: Oh, brilliant.

Luke: Oh, sjajno.

Yeah.

Da.

Competitive tickling.

Natjecateljsko škakljanje.

Yeah.

Da.

Right.

I wonder what the rules are for that, that you...

Pravo.

Pitam se koja su pravila za to, da ti...

Anna: Maybe it's that you have to make the other person wet themselves laughing.

Anna: Možda moraš natjerati drugu osobu da se smoči od smijeha.

Luke: You get bonus points if, yeah, if they wet themselves.

Luke: Dobivaš bonus bodove ako, da, ako se pomokri.

Anna: Yeah.

I'm going to divulge, my dad when I was younger, used to tickle me

Anna: Da. Otkrit ću ti, moj me tata kad sam bila mlađa znao škakljati

until it was just uncomfortable.

sve dok mi nije postalo neugodno.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: He would just tickle me and I'd be like, no, please stop.

Luke: Da. Anna: Samo bi me škakljao, a ja bih rekla, ne, molim te prestani.

Please stop.

Please stop.

Molim te prestani.

Molim te prestani.

And once he tickled me until I wet myself.

I jednom me škakljao dok se nisam pomokrio.

Luke: Oh my God.

Luka: O moj Bože.

Really?

Stvarno?

Anna: Yeah.

It was horrendous.

Anna: Da. Bilo je užasno.

I was like, look what you made me do!

Mislio sam, vidi što si me natjerao da učinim!

He was so good at tickling and I just, I couldn't resist.

Bio je tako dobar u škakljanju i jednostavno, nisam mogla odoljeti.

It was awful.

Bilo je užasno.

Luke: Yeah.

Well, when you know someone, and you know, that you, you

Luke: Da. Pa, kad poznaješ nekoga, i to znaš, znaš

know exactly how to tickle them.

točno kako ga zagolicati.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Then it's very hard not to tickle them, isn't it?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Onda ih je jako teško ne poškakljati, zar ne?

Yeah.

But you should probably stop before that person has to change

Da. Ali vjerojatno biste trebali stati prije nego što ta osoba mora promijeniti

their trousers or something.

hlače ili nešto slično.

Anna: Yeah.

I was a child.

Anna: Da. Ja sam bio dijete.

I mean, it's not like I did this as an adult, you know?

Mislim, nije da sam ovo radio kao odrasla osoba, znaš?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: Oprostit ćemo mi zbog toga.

Anna: So we'll forgive me for that one.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: But the next question on my list is a...

Luke: Da. Anna: Ali sljedeće pitanje na mom popisu je...

Luke: Science and nature.

Luke: Znanost i priroda.

FE is the abbreviation of which element on the periodic table?

FE je skraćenica kojeg elementa u periodnom sustavu?

Okay.

I did study chemistry at school.

U redu.

Učio sam kemiju u školi.

Anna: Good.

Luke: I think this is one of the only ones I remember along with Au, which is gold.

Anna: Dobro.

Luke: Mislim da je ovo jedan od rijetkih kojih se sjećam uz Au, koji je zlato.

Eh, you!

Eh, ti!

Now there's, there's no joke there, you think about it.

E sad, nema tu šale, ti razmisli.

But Fe is, is it iron?

Ali Fe jest, je li željezo?

Anna: That's right.

Anna: Tako je.

Luke: Yes.

Anna: Well done.

Luke: Yes.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Bravo.

Luke: Da. Anna: Ding ding!

Anna: Ding ding!

You get two stars or two cheeses, confused the game.

Dobivate dvije zvjezdice ili dva sira, zbunjena igra.

Okay, last question 'cause I don't wanna drag this out too much.

U redu, zadnje pitanje jer ne želim ovo previše razvlačiti.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Anna: A and L is arts and literature.

Anna: A i L su umjetnost i književnost.

Luke: Arts and literature.

Luka: Umjetnost i književnost.

Anna: Which classic novel opens with the line "Call me Ishmael."

Anna: Koji klasični roman počinje stihom "Zovite me Ishmael."

Luke: Call me Ishmael.

Luke: Zovite me Ishmael.

I don't know.

ne znam

I have no idea.

Nemam pojma.

I should probably guess, but I'm not going to.

Vjerojatno bih trebao pogađati, ali neću.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I don't know who is...what's that?

Anna: U redu.

Luke: Ali ne znam tko je...što je to?

Anna: Moby Dick.

Anna: Moby Dick.

Luke: Oh, right.

Luke: Oh, točno.

Anna: Have you read it?

Luke: I should have known that.

Anna: Jesi li pročitala?

Luke: Trebao sam to znati.

Have you read it?

Jeste li ga pročitali?

Anna: I haven't read it.

Anna: Nisam čitala.

Have you read it?

Luke: No, I haven't read it, but I'd like to read it.

Jeste li ga pročitali?

Luka: Ne, nisam čitao, ali bih volio.

But I'm put off by the fact that it's exceedingly long.

Ali odbija me činjenica da je pretjerano dugačak.

Anna: Yeah.

Like War and Peace.

Anna: Da. Kao Rat i mir.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Exactly.

Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: Upravo tako.

Anna: Okay, so I have one question for the listeners at home, so please don't

Anna: U redu, imam jedno pitanje za slušatelje kod kuće, pa molim te nemoj

answer this Luke, you can message me later if you think you know the answer.

odgovarati na ovo Luke, možeš mi poslati poruku kasnije ako misliš da znaš odgovor.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: If you are listening and you are listening or watching on YouTube, then

Anna: Ako slušate i slušate ili gledate na YouTubeu, onda

you can write the answer in the comments.

možete napisati odgovor u komentarima.

The question is, what is the only country to start with the letter O?

Postavlja se pitanje koja je jedina država koja počinje na slovo O?

Luke: Don't Google it, folks.

Luke: Nemojte guglati, ljudi.

Anna: Yeah, don't cheat.

Anna: Da, nemoj varati.

Luke: Use your brain.

Luke: Koristi svoj mozak.

Anna: Okay, so that's Trivial Pursuit.

Anna: Dobro, to je Trivial Pursuit.

So now one of the most played board games in the world, and it's also

Sada je jedna od najčešće igranih društvenih igara na svijetu, a također je i

the most owned board or board game in the UK is, what do you think?

najposjedovanija društvena igra u Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu, što mislite?

Luke: Um.

Luke: Hm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Anna: Like a standard piece of kit in everyone's house?

Anna: Kao standardni komad opreme u svačijoj kući?

Luke: Cluedo.

Luka: Cluedo.

Anna: Oh no, I don't have a Cluedo set here.

Anna: O ne, ovdje nemam Cluedo set.

Luke: Oh, okay.

Luke: Oh, dobro.

So it's not Cluedo.

Dakle, nije Cluedo.

Well, it, can we go back to the classics like chess?

Pa, možemo li se vratiti klasicima poput šaha?

Anna: Chess.

Luke: Chess, okay.

Anna: Šah.

Luke: Šah, dobro.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Yeah.

I feel like chess is an ancient game or something.

Luke: Da. Osjećam da je šah drevna igra ili tako nešto.

Anna: It is.

Anna: Jeste. Datira iz šestog šestog stoljeća.

It dates back to the sixth sixth century.

Luke: The sixth century.

Luka: Šesto stoljeće.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Not the sick century where everyone was sick with the plague.

Anna: Da. Luka: Ne bolesno stoljeće u kojem su svi bili bolesni od kuge.

Anna: Well, they probably were quite sick in the sixth century.

Anna: Pa, vjerojatno su bili prilično bolesni u šestom stoljeću.

Luke: I expect so.

Luke: Očekujem.

But the sixth century.

Ali šesto stoljeće.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So that's 500 to 599 AD.

Anna: Da. Luka: Dakle, to je 500. do 599. godine.

Anna: I'll trust you on that one.

Anna: To ti vjerujem.

Yeah.

Da. Ne bavim se mentalnom matematikom.

I don't do mental maths.

Maths.

Matematika. Luke: Prilično sam siguran da je to točno.

Luke: I'm pretty sure that's right.

Okay.

It's the dark ages.

U redu. Mračno je doba.

Anna: Yes.

Anna: Da.

It's a very old game, which means that some of the rules and

To je vrlo stara igra, što znači da su neka pravila i

the way the players move on the board is quite bizarre, really.

način na koji se igrači kreću po ploči zaista bizaran.

Can you remember what all the, you said in the previous episode,

Možeš li se sjetiti što si sve rekao u prethodnoj epizodi,

our little chat about Monopoly, that you don't really do chess?

našem malom čavrljanju o Monopoliju, da se baš i ne baviš šahom?

Luke: I love chess.

Luka: Volim šah.

Don't get me wrong.

I love chess.

Nemojte me krivo shvatiti.

Volim šah.

I'm fascinated by chess.

Fasciniran sam šahom.

I do play chess sometimes, but it's too, it's a little beyond me.

Igram ponekad šah, ali i to je previše, malo je izvan mene.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I know the rules.

Anna: U redu. Luke: Ali ja znam pravila.

So you've got your castles, I call them castles, on the corners.

Dakle, imate svoje dvorce, ja ih zovem dvorcima, na uglovima.

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

Anna: Da. Da.

Are they, they're supposed to be, 'cause I call them castles too.

Jesu li, trebali bi biti, jer ih i ja zovem dvorcima.

But aren't they like rooks?

Ali zar nisu poput topova?

Are they rooks?

Jesu li to topovi?

Luke: Rooks.

Rooks.

Yeah.

Luka: Topovi. Topovi.

Da.

That's right.

They should be called rooks, I think.

Tako je.

Mislim da bi se trebali zvati topovi.

And they go horizontally and vertically.

I idu vodoravno i okomito.

Anna: Uh-huh.

Anna: A-ha.

Luke: Then you've got...

Anna: So straight lines.

Luke: Onda imaš...

Anna: Tako ravne linije.

I just think about they go in straight lines.

Samo razmišljam o tome da idu u ravnim crtama.

Luke: Straight lines.

Exactly.

Luka: Ravne linije.

Točno.

Left, right up, down.

Lijevo, desno gore, dolje.

Anna: But then I guess a diagonal is a straight,

Anna: Ali onda pretpostavljam da je dijagonala ravna,

Luke: Ehh.

Anna: It's straight, it doesn't deviate.

Luke: Ehh. Anna: Ravna je, ne odstupa.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

True.

Pravi.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: It's not curved, is it, diagonal?

Anna: Da. Luka: Nije zakrivljena, zar ne, dijagonalno?

Anna: No.

Luke: Anyway.

Anna: Straight line.

Anna: Ne.

Luke: Svejedno.

Anna: Ravna linija.

Luke: Up, down, left, right.

Luka: Gore, dolje, lijevo, desno.

These are the rooks.

Ovo su topovi.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Then, you've got the knights.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Onda, imaš vitezove.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Or horses.

Anna: The little horseys.

Luka: Ili konji. Anna: Mali konjići.

Luke: Yeah, little horses.

Luke: Da, mali konji.

And they do an interesting L shape, which is quite interesting.

I rade zanimljiv L oblik, što je vrlo zanimljivo.

They can go forward three and right one or forward three and left one.

Mogu ići naprijed tri i desno jedan ili naprijed tri i lijevo jedan.

Anna: Is it forward three?

Anna: Je li naprijed tri?

Yeah, it is forward three.

Da, naprijed tri.

Luke: It's like, yeah.

Anna: From the one they're on, then two forward from there, right?

Luke: To je kao, da. Anna: Od one na kojoj su, zatim dvije naprijed od tamo, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

They can kind of go in any direction in that pattern, like,

Luke: Da. Oni mogu nekako ići u bilo kojem smjeru u tom obrascu, kao,

you know, or they can go right.

znate, ili mogu ići desno.

And then, oh, I just can't!

A onda, oh, jednostavno ne mogu!

L shapes.

L oblici.

Anna: Yeah.

L shape.

Anna: Da. L oblik.

So it's actually two from the square they're on.

Dakle, zapravo su dva s kvadrata na kojem se nalaze.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They can only move two more squares forward.

Luke: Da. Anna: Mogu se pomaknuti samo još dva polja naprijed.

Luke: Oh, is it two?

Luka: Oh, jesu li dva?

Anna: Yeah.

I don't think it's three.

Anna: Da. Mislim da nisu tri.

Luke: It's not three.

Anna: Because if you are starting your horse, or your knight...

Luka: Nisu tri. Anna: Jer ako pokrećeš svog konja ili viteza...

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: You can jump over.

Luke: Da. Anna: Možeš preskočiti.

It's the only player that can jump.

To je jedini igrač koji može skočiti.

Luke: Of course it's two.

Luka: Naravno da su dva.

Yeah.

Anna: So it jumps over the pawn.

Da. Anna: Dakle, preskače pijuna.

We'll come back to those, jump over the pawn and then move across.

Vratit ćemo se na njih, preskočiti pješaka i zatim prijeći prijeko.

Luke: Right.

Anna: So it's only two forward and one across.

Luke: Točno. Anna: Dakle, samo su dva naprijed i jedan poprijeko.

Luke: Yeah.

Okay.

Luke: Da. U redu.

And, you know, in any variation of that, that pattern basically, you know?

I, znate, u bilo kojoj varijaciji toga, taj uzorak u osnovi, znate?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Luke: Which is interesting.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Luka: Što je zanimljivo.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luka: A onda imate biskupe.

Luke: And then you've got the bishops.

Anna: Oh yes, they're wonky lines.

Anna: O da, to su klimave rečenice.

Luke: They go in diagonal...

Luke: Idu dijagonalno...

Anna: Not wonky lines!

Luke: Diagonal lines that you got one on the white squares,

Anna: Ne klimave linije!

Luka: Dijagonalne crte koje imate jednu na bijelim kvadratima,

one on the black squares.

jednu na crnim kvadratima.

And they can command the diagonal lines, as it were.

I oni mogu zapovijedati dijagonalnim linijama, takoreći.

Anna: Axis.

Anna: Os.

Luke: Axes.

Luka: Sjekire.

Yeah.

And then you've got the queen and the king.

Da.

A onda imate kraljicu i kralja.

The queen is the boss of the game.

Kraljica je šefica igre.

Anna: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

Anna: Da, nevjerojatno je, zar ne?

Luke: Brilliant.

Yeah.

Luka: Sjajno.

Da.

Anna: She's so strong as a player.

Anna: Jako je jaka kao igračica.

But the king...

Ali kralj...

Luke: Fully the strongest player on the board.

Luke: Potpuno najjači igrač na ploči.

But the king is bloody useless in terms of being able to do anything.

Ali kralj je prokleto beskoristan u smislu da može učiniti bilo što.

All the king does is run away, doesn't he?

Sve što kralj radi je bježati, zar ne?

He will hide.

On će se sakriti.

Anna: Yeah.

Behind all the other players.

Anna: Da. Iza svih ostalih igrača.

Luke: He can take pieces, but it's rare.

Luke: Može uzeti komade, ali to je rijetko.

But the queen is just amazing.

Ali kraljica je jednostavno nevjerojatna.

She can go straight lines, diagonal lines.

Može ići ravnim linijama, dijagonalnim linijama.

Anna: She can't do a horse move though.

Anna: Ona ipak ne može napraviti potez konja.

Luke: She can't do a horse...

Luke: Ona ne zna izvesti konja...

Anna: Or a knight move, a knight move.

Anna: Ili skakač, skakač.

Luke: Correct.

Luke: Točno.

She can't do that.

Ona to ne može.

She can't jump like like that.

Ona ne može tako skočiti.

Yeah.

And, and the king can only can move in any direction, but only one square at a time.

Da.

I, i kralj se može kretati samo u bilo kojem smjeru, ali samo jedno po jedno polje.

Anna: Yeah.

Which is exactly the same as...

Anna: Da. Što je potpuno isto kao...

oh no, pawns.

o ne, pijuni.

They can only move one square, but they...

Mogu se pomaknuti samo za jedno polje, ali oni...

Luke: Two squares their first move.

Luke: Dva polja njihov prvi potez.

They can go two.

Mogu i dva.

Anna: That's right.

Anna: Tako je.

Their first steps.

Njihovi prvi koraci.

But they can't move backwards.

Ali ne mogu se pomaknuti unatrag.

They can only move forwards.

Mogu ići samo naprijed.

Luke: They take other pieces by going diagonally.

Luke: Uzimaju druge komade idući dijagonalno.

Anna: Diagonally.

Anna: Dijagonalno.

That's right.

Tako je.

Luke: But when they get to the end...

Luke: Ali kad dođu do kraja...

Anna: You can swap them for any player that's been taken off the board.

Anna: Možete ih zamijeniti za bilo kojeg igrača koji je uklonjen s ploče.

Luke: Yeah, you can.

Luke: Da, možeš.

So if you've lost your queen, but one little pawn has just like made

Dakle, ako ste izgubili svoju kraljicu, ali je jedan mali pješak nekako uspio doći

it all the way to the end, somehow.

do kraja.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: All the others have like, wait a minute.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Svi ostali su kao, čekaj malo.

Where's that pawn gone?

Gdje je nestao taj pijun?

Oh, he's got to the end.

Oh, stigao je do kraja.

Anna: Oh no!

Luke: And then you could replace that one with a queen and

Anna: O ne!

Luke: A onda biste tu mogli zamijeniti s kraljicom i

suddenly, pow I'm back, bitches!

odjednom, pau, vratio sam se, kučke!

Anna: You can have two queens on the board at any one time as well, right?

Anna: Također možete imati dvije dame na ploči u bilo kojem trenutku, zar ne?

Luke: Can you?

Anna: So if you, I think if you already have your queen and then you

Luka: Možeš li?

Anna: Dakle, ako ti, mislim da ako već imaš svoju kraljicu i tada ćeš

get a pawn to the other end maybe.

možda dobiti pješaka na drugom kraju.

This is a bad rule that I've been playing.

Ovo je loše pravilo kojeg sam igrao.

Luke: People listening do know more about chess than us.

Luke: Ljudi koji slušaju znaju više o šahu od nas.

This is just Luke and Anna talk about a game they don't really understand.

Ovo je samo Luke i Anna koji razgovaraju o igri koju zapravo ne razumiju.

Anna: Well, I taught myself chess as a young child from a book that

Anna: Pa, učila sam šah kao dijete iz knjige koja

was also pretty old, and I wasn't very good at reading at the time.

je također bila prilično stara, au to vrijeme nisam baš bila dobra u čitanju.

So, you know, I'm probably making some rules up as I go.

Dakle, znaš, vjerojatno izmišljam neka pravila usput.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: But yeah, chess is one of those games that if you understand it,

Anna: Ali da, šah je jedna od onih igara koje ako ih razumiješ

and if you've got the kind of mind that can remember strategies and you

i ako imaš takav um da pamti strategije i

can think several moves ahead, then it could be over really quickly.

možeš razmišljati nekoliko poteza unaprijed, onda bi moglo biti gotovo vrlo brzo.

And people play speed chess, don't they?

I ljudi igraju brzi šah, zar ne?

Where they're just like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.

Gdje su samo kao, pu, pow, pow, pow, pow.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They're hitting the clock and moving their piece and it's just done.

Luke: Da. Anna: Otkucavaju sat i pomiču svoju figuru i upravo je gotovo.

Whereas when I play chess, I often get to the point where there's just

Dok kad igram šah, često dođem do točke u kojoj

two pieces left a player, a piece per player, and you're just constantly

igraču preostaju samo dvije figure, figura po igraču, a vi se neprestano

moving around the board trying to, and you just can't end the game

krećete po ploči pokušavajući, i jednostavno ne možete završiti igru

until you just go, d'you know what?

​​dok ne samo idi, znaš što?

Luke: Stalemate.

Anna: I give up, I give up.

Luka: Pat pozicija. Anna: Odustajem, odustajem.

Luke: Yeah.

Where there's just two pieces chasing each other around the board.

Luke: Da.

Gdje se samo dvije figure jure po ploči.

It's completely stupid.

Potpuno je glupo.

But yeah, I mean it's a fascinating game though 'cause of the level of intelligence

Ali da, mislim da je to fascinantna igra iako zbog razine inteligencije

that can be applied to it and these chess grandmasters are absolutely amazing.

koja se može primijeniti na nju i ovi šahovski velemajstori su apsolutno nevjerojatni.

Anna: Yeah, so there's two that I've got in the notes, which is Magnus Carlson.

Anna: Da, u bilješkama imam dvojicu, a to je Magnus Carlson.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And Beth Harmon.

Luke: Da.

Anna: I Beth Harmon.

Now, there was a really interesting drama that was made about Beth Harmon.

Snimljena je stvarno zanimljiva drama o Beth Harmon.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And that was called The Queen's Gambit.

Luke: Da. Anna: I to se zvalo Kraljičin gambit.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Which is really, even if you are not into chess, if you are interested in

Luke: Da. Anna: Što je stvarno, čak i ako se ne baviš šahom, ako te zanima

chess, it was still a really great drama.

šah, to je bila stvarno velika drama.

That I recommend to viewers, listeners.

To preporučam gledateljima, slušateljima.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Anna: Did you watch it?

Luke: Da. Da da.

Ana: Jesi li gledala?

Luke: Yeah, I did watch it.

Luke: Da, gledao sam.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Do you know what gambit means?

Anna: Znaš li što znači gambit?

Luke: Isn't a gambit a sort of a strategy, like a kind of a move that you would

Luke: Nije li gambit neka vrsta strategije, poput neke vrste poteza koji biste vi

do, a kind of specific strategic move?

učinili, neke vrste specifičnog strateškog poteza?

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

It's like a clever move or a clever opening move that gives you an advantage,

To je poput pametnog poteza ili pametnog uvodnog poteza koji vam daje prednost,

but it's not necessarily seen or deemed to be an advantageous move.

ali nije nužno viđen ili smatran potezom koji ima prednost.

So like giving up your queen or giving up a valuable piece going, oh, you

Kao da se odrekneš svoje dame ili daš vrijednu figuru, oh,

just took my queen, how silly of me.

upravo si uzeo moju damu, kako glupo od mene.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But really you've got something in mind that you're like,

Luke: Mm-hmm. Anna: Ali stvarno imaš nešto na umu što si kao,

their next move, checkmate, pow!

njihov sljedeći potez, šah-mat, pow!

I tricked you.

prevario sam te.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: So, yeah.

Anna: Dakle, da.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of obviously kind of mental strategy involved in it too, in

Luke: Da. Da, tu je također uključeno puno očito mentalne strategije, u

the sense of like coming into a game of chess, sitting in front of your opponent.

smislu kao da uđete u partiju šaha, sjedite ispred svog protivnika.

Your opponent will, a bit like in a game of poker or something.

Vaš protivnik će, pomalo kao u igri pokera ili tako nešto.

Anna: Poker face.

Luke: Your opponent will...yeah, use poker face or you, you maybe use your opponent's

Anna: Poker face.

Luke: Vaš protivnik će... da, upotrijebiti poker face ili vas, možda ćete upotrijebiti protivnikov

first impressions of you against them.

prvi dojam o vama protiv njega.

So every now and then YouTube will suggest these chess videos to me.

Stoga će mi YouTube s vremena na vrijeme predložiti ove šahovske videozapise.

Anna: Oh, right.

Luke: And it's, there's a girl, I can't remember her name now, unfortunately,

Anna: Oh, točno. Luke: I ima jedna djevojka, ne mogu joj se sada sjetiti imena, nažalost,

but she is sort of in her twenties.

ali ima nekih dvadesetak godina.

I think both her parents were chess grandmasters.

Mislim da su joj oba roditelja bili šahovski velemajstori.

Anna: Right.

Luke: And so she's fairly like, so she goes to these chess games in the park,

Anna: Točno. Luke: I tako, ona je prilično takva, pa ide na te šahovske igre u parku,

you know, in like New York or other cities in the States where there are

znaš, u New Yorku ili drugim gradovima u Sjedinjenim Državama gdje postoje

these guys who spend their whole day there playing chess with each other.

ti tipovi koji tamo provode cijeli dan igrajući šah jedni s drugima.

And they do a lot of like trash talking.

I mnogo vole pričati o smeću.

While they're playing the game, these guys are trash talking and sort

Dok igraju igru, ovi dečki pričaju gluposti i na neki način

of, you know, bantering and sort of talking up their game quite a lot.

, znate, zafrkancije i na neki način puno pričaju o svojoj igri.

And this girl comes in, she doesn't look like she's gonna be a chess grandmaster.

I ova djevojka ulazi, ne izgleda kao da će biti šahovski velemajstor.

And so these guys are super confident and they totally underestimate her

I tako su ti dečki super samopouzdani i totalno je podcjenjuju

and they trash talk her and stuff.

i pričaju o njoj i tako to.

And she like gives quite a good trash talk back.

I ona kao da uzvraća prilično dobar trash talk.

It's really interesting to watch.

Stvarno je zanimljivo gledati.

I don't really, I don't understand what's going on on the board, you can

Ne razumijem baš, ne razumijem što se događa na ploči, možete

see the board on the screen as well.

vidjeti ploču i na ekranu.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't understand it.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Ne razumijem.

I can't work out the moves, but it's interesting just to see the behaviour

Ne mogu razraditi poteze, ali zanimljivo je samo vidjeti kako se ponašanje

of these opponents of hers change where they're like giving it...

tih njezinih protivnika mijenja tamo gdje kao da ga daju...

Anna: The realisation.

Anna: Spoznaja.

Luke: Yeah, they're giving it all this really, really overconfident talk.

Luke: Da, pričaju o svemu tome jako, jako samouvjereno.

And then after about five or six moves, they changed totally.

A onda su se nakon pet ili šest poteza potpuno promijenili.

And they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be difficult.

I oni su kao, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ovo će biti, ovo će biti teško.

Oh, this is gonna be difficult.

Oh, ovo će biti teško.

Oh, you don't move on me now.

Oh, nemoj mi se sada nabacivati.

You know, all this kind of thing.

Znaš, sve te stvari.

And it's just really funny to see the interaction and to see how they deal with

I stvarno je smiješno vidjeti interakciju i vidjeti kako se nose s

the fact that actually she's really good.

činjenicom da je ona zapravo jako dobra.

And often it's only within about four or five moves that they can work out that

I često samo u roku od četiri ili pet poteza mogu shvatiti da

she's really, she really knows what she's doing and they work it out just when

ona stvarno, ona stvarno zna što radi i to shvate baš kad u

the within a few moves and you think, my God, the way these guys are playing,

roku od nekoliko poteza pomisliš, moj Bože, kako ovi dečki igraju ,

they're just like thinking so far ahead.

oni samo razmišljaju tako daleko unaprijed.

You know all the possibilities.

Znate sve mogućnosti.

It is like kind of like you have to have a very mathematical mind in a way

To je kao da na neki način morate imati vrlo matematički um

to be able to do all these different algorithms and calculations all instantly.

kako bi mogli napraviti sve te različite algoritme i izračune u trenu.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Nevjerojatno.

Da.

Anna: So it's like being, what's the term?

Anna: Dakle, to je kao biti, koji je izraz?

Like being a card shark.

Kao da sam kartaš.

If someone or, there's a term, or like when people come in to play pool and

Ako netko ili, postoji termin, ili kao kad ljudi dođu igrati bilijar i

they put some money down and say...

stave nešto novca i kažu...

Luke: Hustler.

Luke: Varalica.

Anna: A hustler.

That's it.

Anna: Prevarant.

To je to.

You can hustle people and be like, oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing,

Možete gnjaviti ljude i reći, o da, zapravo ne znam što radim,

but let's put a hundred pounds on it.

ali stavimo sto funti na to.

A hundred pounds?

Sto funti?

Yeah, sure.

Da sigurno.

And then you're like, I'm amazing.

A onda kažeš, nevjerojatna sam.

I'm gonna win.

Ja ću pobijediti.

Luke: Yeah.

Or you lose your first game on purpose and you're like, you

Luke: Da. Ili namjerno izgubiš prvu utakmicu i kažeš, znaš

know what, I wanna try again.

što, želim pokušati ponovno.

You know, I'm enjoying this.

Znaš, uživam u ovome.

Let's raise the stakes.

Podignimo uloge.

Let's do it for $500 this time.

Učinimo to ovaj put za 500 dolara.

And they're like, sure, okay.

I oni su, naravno, u redu.

If you really want to, you know, maybe I can teach you a thing or two.

Ako stvarno želiš, znaš, možda te mogu naučiti nečemu.

And then they really raise their game and suddenly they've made

A onda stvarno podignu svoju igru ​​i odjednom su zaradili

loads of money from those people.

gomilu novca od tih ljudi.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Pow!

Talking about money, how much do you think the most expensive

Anna: Fuj! Kad smo već kod novca, što mislite koliko košta najskuplja

chessboard in the world is?

šahovnica na svijetu?

'Cause you can get all sorts of different, like gorgeous chess

Jer možete dobiti razne vrste, poput prekrasnih šahovskih

boards, but what's the most expensive?

ploča, ali što je najskuplje?

Luke: The most expensive chess board in the world?

Luka: Najskuplja šahovska ploča na svijetu?

Anna: In dollars, let's do it in dollars.

Anna: U dolarima, učinimo to u dolarima.

Luke: I dunno.

Luke: Ne znam.

I mean, we talked about the most expensive Monopoly board being...

Mislim, pričali smo o tome da je najskuplja Monopoly ploča...

Anna: Which was crazy.

Anna: Što je bilo ludo.

Luke: $2 million.

Luke: 2 milijuna dolara.

I think the chess board's gonna be more, I'd say it's gonna be $5 million.

Mislim da će šahovska ploča biti više, rekao bih da će biti 5 milijuna dolara.

All made of pure diamond,

Sve napravljeno od čistog dijamanta,

Anna: You can double that or just about double it.

Anna: Možeš udvostručiti to ili skoro udvostručiti.

$9.8 million is the most expensive.

Najskuplji je 9,8 milijuna dolara.

It's a Jewel Royale chessboard.

To je šahovska ploča Jewel Royale.

And the pieces are obviously quite heavy.

A komadi su očito dosta teški.

They're made of pure gold.

Izrađene su od čistog zlata.

So they're not gold plated.

Dakle, nisu pozlaćeni.

Luke: Wow.

Anna: They made a pure gold and encrusted with diamonds and other precious gems.

Luka: Vau. Anna: Napravili su čisto zlato i optočili dijamantima i drugim dragocjenim draguljima.

Luke: Jesus!

Luka: Isuse!

Anna: And it all, it would probably be like too magnificent to play with.

Anna: I sve to, vjerojatno bi bilo previše veličanstveno za igrati se s tim.

You just look at it, keep it in a locked cabinet.

Samo ga pogledaj, čuvaj ga u zaključanom ormariću.

Luke: It does raise the question, why buy that if you're not even gonna, like,

Luke: Postavlja se pitanje, zašto to kupiti ako čak i nećete, kao,

it's an object that's designed to be played and you're just gonna leave it.

to je predmet koji je dizajniran za igru ​​i jednostavno ćete ga ostaviti.

Anna: Well, it'd be a statement, wouldn't it?

Anna: Pa, to bi bila izjava, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Don't touch the chessboard.

Anna: Ne diraj šahovsku ploču.

Very good.

I do like to have a nice chessboard.

Vrlo dobro.

Volim imati lijepu šahovsku ploču.

I have bought chessboards as gifts for people.

Kupovao sam šahovske ploče kao poklon ljudima.

I think it is something nice to have in the house.

Mislim da je to nešto lijepo imati u kući.

Just, you know, like having a globe.

Samo, znate, kao da imate globus.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: In the house, which, you know, opens up to reveal the drink.

Luke: Da. Anna: U kući, koja se, znate, otvara da otkrije piće.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I don't drink very much anymore, but I used to have one of those.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Više ne pijem puno, ali nekada sam pila jedno takvo.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Having a nice chessboard.

Luke: Da. Anna: Imati lijepu šahovsku ploču.

I think they, these are just nice pieces of, not furniture, but

Mislim da su to samo lijepi komadi, ne namještaja, već

things to have around the house.

stvari koje treba imati po kući.

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno. Da.

Yeah.

Chessboards, they can be very beautiful things indeed.

Šahovske ploče, to zaista mogu biti jako lijepe stvari.

That's true.

To je istina.

And there's something very satisfying about the objects if

I postoji nešto vrlo zadovoljavajuće u vezi s predmetima ako

they're very nicely made, yeah.

su vrlo lijepo napravljeni, da.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. I još jedan klasik, naravno, o kojem smo govorili na vašem podcastu je Monopoly.

And another classic, of course, which we talked about on your podcast is Monopoly.

Now, I'm not gonna go deep into this, but this is the kind of game that can

Sada, neću ulaziti duboko u ovo, ali ovo je vrsta igre koja

really bring families together and teach them some really good lessons, but also

stvarno može okupiti obitelji i naučiti ih nekim stvarno dobrim lekcijama, ali također

has a reputation for tearing families apart and causing horrendous arguments.

ima reputaciju da razdvaja obitelji i izaziva užasne svađe.

But there is a really interesting fact about Monopoly that we didn't

Ali postoji zaista zanimljiva činjenica o Monopoliju koju nismo

cover in your podcast, so it might be good to touch on now.

obradili u vašem podcastu, pa bi bilo dobro da je sada dotaknemo.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: In World War II, the Nazis let allied prisoners, prisoners

Anna: U Drugom svjetskom ratu, nacisti su pustili savezničke zarobljenike,

of war, play board games.

ratne zarobljenike, da igraju društvene igre.

Luke: That's nice of them.

Luke: Lijepo od njih.

Anna: Yeah, it's very nice of them.

Anna: Da, to je jako lijepo od njih.

Luke: How nice of them.

Luke: Baš lijepo od njih.

Anna: So the British government was even allowed to send some of these games

Anna: Britanskoj vladi je čak bilo dopušteno poslati neke od ovih igara

to the soldiers who were incarcerated.

vojnicima koji su bili zatočeni.

So, the government kind of worked with the game producers.

Dakle, vlada je na neki način radila s proizvođačima igara.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To hide items and like real money within the game.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Za skrivanje predmeta i lajkovanje pravog novca unutar igre.

So in the stash of paper money, they'd hide real bills.

Tako bi u zalihama papirnatog novca sakrili prave novčanice.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Anna: And then rather than the kind of the tokens, the pieces that you'd

Anna: I onda, umjesto vrste žetona, komada s kojima bi se

play with, they gave them like little things that they could use to escape,

igrao, dali su im kao male stvari koje su mogli koristiti za bijeg,

like, lock picks and things like that.

kao, brave i slične stvari.

Luke: Oh my gosh.

Luka: Bože moj.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

And files so they could like file their way out of their chains or whatever,

I datoteke kako bi se mogli izvući iz svojih lanaca ili bilo što,

Luke: Sort of like hidden within the within the box or

Luke: Nekako skriveno unutar kutije ili

within the board or something.

unutar ploče ili tako nešto.

Or even the little items themselves could be used to like file away

Ili bi se čak i sami sitni predmeti mogli upotrijebiti za ispiljanje

the bars of a jail or something.

rešetki zatvora ili tako nešto.

Anna: It says here, oh compasses.

Anna: Ovdje piše, o kompasi.

Luke: Wow.

Luka: Vau.

And they actually used them to escape.

I zapravo su ih iskoristili za bijeg.

That's, yeah, incredible.

To je, da, nevjerojatno.

Anna: Okay, so I'm gonna move on quickly 'cause I know that

Anna: U redu, brzo ću nastaviti jer znam da

you are pressed for time.

si u stisci s vremenom.

I love that expression.

Volim taj izraz.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To be pressed for time.

Luke: Mm-hmm. Anna: U stisci s vremenom.

You are running short on it.

Ponestaje vam toga.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So, some of the more unusual games that I would still call classics because

Luke: Da. Anna: Dakle, neke od neobičnijih igara koje bih ipak nazvala klasicima jer

they were a big part of my childhood.

su bile veliki dio mog djetinjstva.

The first is Kerplunk.

Prvi je Kerplunk.

Did you ever play Kerplunk?

Jeste li ikada igrali Kerplunk?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

We had a Kerplunk game at my grandma's house.

Da. Imali smo igru ​​Kerplunk u kući moje bake.

Anna: Yeah, and this is quite unusual.

Anna: Da, i ovo je prilično neobično.

It's not a typical board game, although it is listed as a board game.

To nije tipična društvena igra, iako je navedena kao društvena igra.

It's like a plastic tube with, and you shove loads of plastic

To je kao plastična cijev s kojom gurnete gomilu plastičnih

straws to block the tube.

slamki da blokirate cijev.

And then...

A onda...

Luke: Yeah.

Lots of, yeah...

Luke: Da. Puno, da...

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Loads of plastic needles kind of thing stuck inside

Anna: Da. Luke: Hrpa plastičnih igala zabodenih u

little holes in the tube.

male rupe u cijevi.

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

Very long ones.

Anna: Da. Da.

Vrlo duge.

And they're not sharp, are they?

I nisu oštri, zar ne?

They're child safe.

Sigurni su za djecu.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: A onda ti, i oni blokiraju put do dna ove poput cijevi, a

Anna: And then you, and they block the way to the bottom of this like tube, and

then you pour loads of marbles in the top.

onda ti izliješ hrpe klikera na vrh.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: And then the idea is to remove these kind of straws or needles

Anna: I onda je ideja ukloniti ove vrste slamki ili igala,

without dislodging any of the marbles.

a da se klikeri ne pomaknu.

And at some point you remove a needle and some marbles come crashing down.

I u nekom trenutku izvadite iglu i klikeri se sruše.

But that's not the end of the game.

Ali tu nije kraj igre.

It's only the end when all the marbles have fallen.

Tek je kraj kada svi klikeri padnu.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So you have to get to the end without having too many marbles.

Luke: Da. Anna: Dakle, morate doći do kraja bez previše kuglica.

Luke: If you're the one who lets the last marble fall, you lose.

Luke: Ako si ti taj koji pušta zadnji kliker da padne, ti si izgubio.

Yeah.

Da.

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So it's kind of along the lines of like the Jenga, you

Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: To je nešto poput Jenge, znate

know, game that everyone knows.

, igre koju svi znaju.

Jenga.

And also there's another one where you have these sticks with different colours

Jenga.

A postoji još jedan gdje imate ove štapiće različitih boja

and you let the sticks all fall in a pile and then you have to pick up the sticks

i pustite da svi štapići padnu u hrpu i onda morate pokupiti štapiće

without letting the other sticks move.

ne dopuštajući drugim štapićima da se pomaknu.

Anna: Oh, I haven't played that one.

Anna: Oh, tu nisam igrala.

Luke: Yeah, they play it in France quite a lot.

Luke: Da, sviraju to u Francuskoj prilično često.

So you get a bunch of these sticks.

Tako da ćete dobiti hrpu ovih štapića.

They've got different colours on them that represent different points.

Na sebi imaju različite boje koje predstavljaju različite točke.

Anna: Right.

Luke: Some of them are more valuable than others, and you have to very

Anna: Točno. Luke: Neki od njih su vrjedniji od drugih i morate vrlo

carefully take the sticks away from the pile without letting the others move.

pažljivo ukloniti štapiće s hrpe ne dopuštajući ostalima da se pomaknu.

And it's really interesting.

I stvarno je zanimljivo.

You can use other sticks to help you prise them off.

Možete upotrijebiti druge palice koje će vam pomoći da ih skinete.

Anna: Ahh.

Luke: They've got pointed ends, so you can press your finger down on the end and

Anna: Ahh. Luke: Imaju zašiljene krajeve, tako da možeš prstom pritisnuti kraj i

it makes the stick lift off the table.

to će podići štap sa stola.

But it's not really a pub game because if you've had a couple of drinks, then you're

Ali to zapravo nije pub igra jer ako ste popili nekoliko pića, onda ste

like, oh, let's play the stick game.

kao, oh, hajdemo igrati igru ​​štapićem.

And then, you know, you've got to be very careful when you play it.

I onda, znaš, moraš biti vrlo oprezan kada je igraš.

Anna: Is it called Pick Up Sticks?

Anna: Zove li se Pick Up Sticks?

Luke: I can't remember.

Maybe, maybe, maybe that's the UK version.

Luka: Ne mogu se sjetiti.

Možda, možda, možda je to UK verzija.

I dunno, I can't remember what they call it in France now.

Ne znam, ne mogu se sjetiti kako to sada zovu u Francuskoj.

Anna: Well, the being very careful reminds me of one of my most fun games

Anna: Pa, to što sam jako oprezan podsjeća me na jednu od mojih najzabavnijih igara

of my childhood is the game of Operation.

mog djetinjstva je igra Operacija.

Luke: Oh, God.

Luke: O, Bože.

Can't stand it.

Ne mogu to podnijeti.

Anna: What, do you get nervous?

Anna: Što, postaješ li nervozan?

Luke: Just can't stand Operation.

Luke: Jednostavno ne mogu podnijeti Operaciju.

Can't do it.

Anna: Why?

Ne mogu to učiniti.

Anna: Zašto?

Luke: It's just horrible.

Luke: To je jednostavno užasno.

Like, I don't know.

Kao, ne znam.

Again, maybe I had a bad experience of playing it with other kids when I

Opet, možda sam imao loše iskustvo igranja s drugom djecom kad sam

was young and it was just, you know, one of those times when you're at

bio mlad i to je bilo, znate, jedno od onih vremena kada ste u

someone's house and it was horrible.

nečijoj kući i bilo je užasno.

But nah, nah, no.

Ali ne, ne, ne.

Anna: One very fun game that I'm sure you would like is Hungry Hippos.

Anna: Jedna vrlo zabavna igra za koju sam sigurna da bi vam se svidjela je Hungry Hippos.

Luke: Hungry Hippos.

Luka: Gladni nilski konji.

Yeah.

Da.

It's fun to an extent.

Zabavno je do neke mjere.

Anna: Well, as much as bashing on a lever.

Anna: Pa, koliko god udarati po polugi.

Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Luka: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Yeah.

Bang, bang, bang.

Da. Bang, bang, bang.

Get the hippos to eat all of the red balls.

Natjerajte nilske konje da pojedu sve crvene kuglice.

If they get yellow balls, that's even better.

Ako dobiju žute lopte, to je još bolje.

Right?

Because there's red balls and a couple of yellow balls in there

Pravo?

Jer tu su i crvene kuglice i nekoliko žutih kuglica

too, which are worth more points.

, koje vrijede više bodova.

And dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, that's good for, for me now 10 minutes

I dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, to je dobro, za mene

maximum is all I can ta ta ta ta.

je sada maksimalno 10 minuta sve što mogu ta ta ta ta.

And then I'm like, ah, you know what, let's, can we just,

I onda sam kao, ah, znaš što, hajde, možemo li samo,

can we play Monopoly instead?

možemo li umjesto toga igrati Monopoly?

Anna: Yeah, my sons love to play it over and over and over again.

Anna: Da, moji sinovi je vole igrati iznova i iznova i iznova.

But then they also like stashing.

Ali onda vole i skrivanje.

So at one point, my two year old would just start taking the marbles while

Tako bi u jednom trenutku moj dvogodišnjak jednostavno počeo uzimati kuglice dok

I'm playing with my four year old and putting them in different places.

sam se ja igrao sa svojim četverogodišnjakom i stavljati ih na različita mjesta.

Like one in the kitchen.

Kao onaj u kuhinji.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: One inside the crocodile's mouth.

Luke: Da. Anna: Jedan u krokodilovim ustima.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: Jedan u ormaru.

Anna: One in the cupboard.

And I'm just like, where have all the marbles gone?

I pitam se, gdje su nestali svi klikeri?

What's happened?

Što se dogodilo?

Luke: Another reason why the game makes me uncomfortable.

Luke: Još jedan razlog zašto mi igra stvara nelagodu.

Just it's quite a messy game.

Samo je to prilično neuredna igra.

It's just, uh...

Samo, uh...

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: No, it makes me a bit uncomfortable.

Luke: Ne, malo mi je neugodno.

Uncomfortable and stressed.

Neugodno i pod stresom.

A bit like Operation.

Pomalo kao Operacija.

Anna: Yes.

Well, one very messy game that you might not have heard of is Monster Mash.

Anna: Da.

Pa, jedna vrlo neuredna igra za koju možda niste čuli je Monster Mash.

Luke: No, don't know it, no.

Luke: Ne, ne znam, ne.

Anna: So I've never been able to find this, but we played it as kids, and it's

Anna: Nikada nisam uspjela pronaći ovo, ali igrali smo ga kao djeca, i

basically you each have a big lump of Play-Doh with a monster's head stuck

zapravo svatko od vas ima veliki komad Play-Doha s glavom čudovišta zaglavljenom

in the top, and that's your piece.

na vrhu, i to je vaš komad.

And you just go round a very basic board when you are rolling the dice and

I samo obiđete vrlo osnovnu ploču kada bacate kockice i

when you land on someone, you just mash your monster on top of their monster

kada stanete na nekoga, samo zgnječite svoje čudovište na njegovo čudovište

and kind of just take over them, like the Body Snatchers and your monster

i na neki način ga jednostavno preuzmete, poput Otimača tijela i vaše čudovište

becomes twice as big and that person is out because you've just mashed

postaje dvostruko veće veliki i ta osoba je vani jer ste je upravo zgnječili

them, until you become this humongous, four piece, four-bodied monster having

, sve dok ne postanete ovo ogromno čudovište s četiri dijela i četiri tijela koje je zgnječilo

mashed the other players on the board.

ostale igrače na ploči.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Yeah.

Again, no, not for me because like Play-Doh, of all the kids' toys,

Da. Opet, ne, nije za mene jer kao Play-Doh, od svih dječjih igračaka,

Play-Doh is not one of my, I can't, no.

Play-Doh nije jedna od mojih, ne mogu, ne.

Anna: Really?

Luke: Nah, no.

Anna: Stvarno? Luke: Ne, ne.

Anna: Wow.

Luke: It's too messy.

Anna: Vau.

Luke: Previše je neuredno.

And it makes me feel uncomfortable.

I zbog toga se osjećam nelagodno.

Anna: It is messy.

Anna: Neuredno je.

It is messy.

Neuredno je.

I love Play-Doh.

Volim Play-Doh.

I think the kids have a really great time with Play-Doh.

Mislim da se djeca jako dobro zabavljaju s Play-Dohom.

It keeps them quiet.

To ih drži u tišini.

So we always take Play-Doh in the backpack when we're at

Stoga Play-Doh uvijek nosimo u ruksaku kada smo u

restaurants or going out somewhere.

restoranu ili negdje u izlasku.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah.

Luke: Da. Da.

Anna: And they just play for hours with the Play-Doh.

Anna: I samo se satima igraju s Play-Dohom.

My sister-in-law said, "I hate Play-Doh".

Moja šogorica je rekla: "Mrzim Play-Doh".

Just like you.

Baš kao ti.

It's too messy, too messy.

Previše je neuredno, previše neuredno.

But then asked, what would your children like as a present for Christmas?

Ali onda ste me pitali što bi vaša djeca voljela kao poklon za Božić?

And I said, they love Play-Doh.

I rekao sam, vole Play-Doh.

How about like a Play-Doh Set?

Što kažete na Play-Doh Set?

Play-Doh do all kinds of sets.

Play-Doh radi sve vrste setova.

So why not maybe like the dentist set where the Play-Doh are the teeth

Pa zašto ne možda poput zubarskog seta gdje su Play-Doh zubi

and they can practise dental hygiene.

i oni mogu vježbati dentalnu higijenu.

Oral hygiene.

Oralna higijena.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Or maybe the pizza making set.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Ili možda set za pravljenje pizze.

She's like, "Leave it with me.

Ona kaže: "Ostavi to meni.

I'll sort it out.

Ja ću to riješiti.

I don't like play by myself.

Ne volim se igrati sama.

It's too messy, but leave it with me."

Previše je neuredan, ali ostavi ga kod mene."

Guess what she got?

Pogodite što je dobila?

Luke: The messiest Play-Doh set she could find.

Luke: Najneuredniji Play-Doh set koji je mogla pronaći.

Anna: It's the hoover Play-Doh set where you have a sprinkler that makes

Anna: To je Hoover Play-Doh set gdje imate prskalicu koja čini

tiny, teeny weeny, little teeny pieces of Play-Doh and spreads it all over so

malene, malene sitne, malene sitne komadiće Play-Doh-a i raširi ga po cijelom tako

that then you can then hoover it up.

da ga onda možete usisati.

But the hoover is, you know, there's no way to take it apart.

Ali usisivač je, znate, nema načina da ga rastavite.

And so it's just full of Play-Doh.

I tako je samo pun Play-Doh-a.

So if you want to save any of the Play-Doh and to work again,

Pa ako želite spasiti bilo što od Play-Doh-a i ponovno raditi,

you have to pick it all out.

morate odabrati sve.

It's horrific.

To je užasno.

Luke: Oh, stop.

Luke: Oh, prestani. Zvuči kao moja najgora noćna mora.

It sounds like my worst nightmare.

Like a game that's designed to turn Play-Doh into Play-Doh dust.

Kao igra koja je dizajnirana da Play-Doh pretvori u Play -Doh dust.

Uh oh.

Uh oh.

Oh, no, no.

Oh, ne, ne.

Can't.

Ne mogu. Ne

Can't do it.

Anna: Yeah.

mogu to učiniti.

Anna: Da.

Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it to a close 'cause I know

U redu, pa ću, završit ću to jer znam da

you are, you've got no more time.

jesi , nemaš više vremena.

Oh yeah.

But, one of the more recent players in the gaming market is one

O da. Ali, jedan od novijih igrača na tržištu igara je onaj

that's caused a lot of hilarity.

koji je izazvao mnogo veselja.

And it's Cards against Humanity.

A to su karte protiv čovječanstva.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Nije igra za djecu.

Not a kid's game.

So going from Play-Doh and Hungry Hippos and Operation, which are absolutely

Pa idemo od Play-Doh i Hungry Hippos i Operation, koje su apsolutno

children's games to Cards Against Humanity, which is definitely one to play

dječje igre do Cards Against Humanity, koje se definitivno igraju

when the kids are in bed fast asleep.

dok su djeca u krevetu i čvrsto spavaju.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Da. Luke: Da.

Anna: Yeah.

It is a set of cards that are just a lot of them.

Anna: Da. To je skup karata koji se sastoji samo od puno njih.

It's just filth, right?

To je samo prljavština, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: It's the kind of thing that will shock and yeah, just...

Luke: Da. Anna: To je vrsta stvari koja će šokirati i da, samo...

Luke: Disgust.

Luke: Gađenje.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Yeah.

Da.

Luke: It's the most shocking and disgusting and offensive

Luke: To je najšokantnija, najodvratnija i uvredljiva

stuff that they could think of.

stvar koje su mogli smisliti.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: That they put into the game.

Anna: Da. Luke: To su oni stavili u igru.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

Anna: Da, da.

I've had a few awkward evenings with people, like neighbours that we're just

Imao sam nekoliko neugodnih večeri s ljudima, poput susjeda koje samo pokušavamo

trying to get to know, and they're like, should we play Cards Against Humanity?

upoznati, a oni su rekli, trebamo li igrati karte protiv čovječanstva?

Yeah, sure.

Da sigurno.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Awkward.

Anna: Nezgodno.

Very awkward.

Or grandma, um, I saw this new game, apparently it's quite popular.

Vrlo neugodno.

Ili bako, hm, vidio sam ovu novu igru, izgleda da je dosta popularna.

Could we play?

Možemo li se igrati?

Luke: It's got a very high rating on Amazon.

Luke: Ima vrlo visoku ocjenu na Amazonu.

Anna: Okay, grandma.

Anna: Dobro, bako.

What, what does this word mean?

Što, što ova riječ znači?

Maybe don't Google that, grandma.

Možda ne guglaj to bako.

Luke: So how does Cards Against Humanity work again?

Luke: Pa kako Cards Against Humanity ponovno funkcionira?

It's basically, I can't remember now, yeah.

U biti, ne mogu se sada sjetiti, da.

Anna: So it's something like creating sentences.

Anna: Dakle, to je nešto poput stvaranja rečenica.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: Moraš sastaviti rečenice.

Anna: You have to put sentences together.

It gives you some horrific endings or beginnings of sentences and you

Daje vam neke užasne završetke ili početke rečenica i

have to complete it or something.

morate to dovršiti ili tako nešto.

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

Luke: Da, tako je.

There's a, sort of a, the beginning of a statement, and then you've

Postoji, neka vrsta, početak izjave, a zatim imate

got a number of cards in your hand.

nekoliko karata u ruci.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And you have to choose the card which you think is

Anna: Da. Luke: I morate odabrati karticu za koju mislite da je

best to complete that statement.

najbolja za dovršetak te izjave.

And all the cards in your hand are horrible, offensive, rude things.

A sve karte u tvojoj ruci su užasne, uvredljive, nepristojne stvari.

I mean, it's fun when you're with your friends, of course, because you

Mislim, zabavno je kad si sa svojim prijateljima, naravno, jer znaš

know, it's just a thing that makes everyone shocked and it's, you know,

, to je samo stvar koja sve šokira i to, znaš,

it can be laugh out loud funny.

može biti smiješno smijati se naglas.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: You know, when you're with people that you know and you know

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luka: Znaš, kad si s ljudima koje poznaješ i znaš

that there's no danger of offending anyone, it's all just for fun.

da nema opasnosti da se ikome zamjeriš, sve je to samo iz zabave.

And, you know, you can come out with some pretty hilarious and disgusting things.

I, znate, možete izaći s nekim prilično smiješnim i odvratnim stvarima.

You pass your card in and the person whose turn it is reads out all of the

Dajete svoju karticu i osoba koja je na redu čita sve izjave

statements and then everyone decides which one they think is the best.

i onda svatko odlučuje koja mu se čini najbolja.

Anna: Yes.

Anna: Da.

Luke: And that person...

Anna: The one that's the funniest.

Luke: A ta osoba... Anna: Ona koja je najsmješnija.

Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Luka: Da, da, da, da.

Anna: Yeah.

That one wins.

Anna: Da. Taj pobjeđuje.

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

Luke: Da, tako je.

Anna: Yeah.

So on that note, thank you so much Luke for joining me.

Anna: Da. U tom smislu, puno ti hvala Luke što si mi se pridružio.

Listeners, if you are interested in hearing a little bit more of a deep

Slušatelji, ako ste zainteresirani čuti malo dubljeg

dive into Monopoly, then do head to the show notes to go and listen

uronite u Monopoly, a zatim idite na bilješke o emisiji i poslušajte

to that other episode on Luke's channel, Luke's English Podcast.

onu drugu epizodu na Lukeovom kanalu, Luke's English Podcast.

Thank you so much.

Puno ti hvala.

Luke: Thank you, Anna.

Luka: Hvala ti, Anna.

It's really good fun.

To je stvarno dobra zabava.

I'd love to just play a board game now.

Sada bih volio igrati društvenu igru.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But, gotta go, like, go to the supermarket and

Anna: Da.

Luke: Ali, moram ići, kao, otići u supermarket i

then cook dinner, you know?

onda skuhati večeru, znaš?

You know the way it is.

Anna: Yeah.

You got some important life stuff coming up, so, uh...

Znate kako je.

Anna: Da. Pred vama su važne životne stvari, pa, uh...

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno.

Anna: You've gotta get your game in order.

Anna: Moraš dovesti svoju igru ​​u red.

Luke: Yeah.

The real game of life.

Luke: Da.

Prava igra života.

Anna: The game of life.

Anna: Igra života.

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Da.

Luke: Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: U redu. Anna: U redu.

Thank you.

Luke: Alright, lovely to speak to you again, Anna.

Hvala vam. Luke: Dobro, lijepo je ponovno razgovarati s tobom, Anna.

Anna: And you, take care.

Anna: A ti, čuvaj se.

Luke: You too.

Luka: I ti.

Anna: And bye.

Anna: I ćao.

Luke: Bye-bye.

Luka: Zbogom.