Games with Luke's English Podcast - Advanced Listening Practice

Anna: You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast, a

Anna: Slušate podcast English Like A Native,

listening resource for intermediate and advanced level English learners.

izvor za slušanje za učenike srednjeg i naprednog nivoa.

Today is a very special episode as we are joined by one of my favourite

Danas je vrlo posebna epizoda jer nam se pridružuje jedan od mojih omiljenih

guests, Luke from Luke's English Podcast, which is an incredible podcast

gostiju, Luke iz Lukeovog engleskog podcasta, koji je nevjerovatan podcast

that you should all have a listen to.

koji biste svi trebali poslušati.

So in today's podcast, we are going to deep dive into a much

Dakle, u današnjem podcastu ćemo duboko zaroniti u mnogo

loved British pastime, board games.

voljenu britansku zabavu, društvene igre.

It's gonna be fun.

Biće zabavno.

Without further ado, let's roll.

Bez daljeg odlaganja, krenimo.

What do you do when you are with company, say your family or your friends, and

Šta radite kada ste u društvu, recimo sa porodicom ili prijateljima, a

the conversation has begun to dry up and you are feeling a little bit bored?

razgovor je počeo da presušuje i osećate se pomalo dosadno?

Well, you may decide to rummage around in the cupboard, to dig out and dust

Pa, možda odlučite da preturate po ormaru, da iskopate i obrišete prašinu

off a board game to pass the time.

sa društvene igre kako biste kratko vrijeme proveli.

In the UK, dice rolling, card shuffling, and arguing about who's

U Velikoj Britaniji, bacanje kockica, mješanje karata i svađa oko toga ko

cheating is a much loved pastime.

vara je omiljena zabava.

And here for a second time to discuss the ins and outs, the ups and downs of board

I evo po drugi put da razgovaramo o detaljima, usponima i padovima društvenih

games is Luke from Luke's English Podcast.

igara je Luke iz Lukeovog engleskog podcasta.

Welcome back Luke.

Dobrodošao nazad Luke.

Luke: Hi Anna.

Luke: Zdravo Ana.

Thanks for having me back.

Hvala što ste me vratili.

Anna: Oh, thank you for returning.

Anna: Oh, hvala što ste se vratili.

I haven't scared you off that's the important thing.

Nisam te uplašio, to je najvažnije.

Luke: No, this is a great topic.

Luke: Ne, ovo je odlična tema.

Yeah, I love board games.

Da, volim društvene igre.

Anna: You do.

Anna: Znaš.

You have a big love of Monopoly.

Imate veliku ljubav prema Monopolu.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Tako da smo upravo naširoko pričali o Monopolu u mojoj emisiji, razgovarali smo više od sat vremena

So we just talked about Monopoly at some length on my show, we did over an hour's

worth of conversation only about Monopoly.

samo o Monopolu.

Anna: Yeah.

Who would've thought there was so much to say about the game?

Anna: Da.

Ko bi rekao da ima toliko toga za reći o igri?

Luke: Well, yeah.

Luke: Pa, da.

It is actually a fascinating game, as we've just discussed with all of

To je zapravo fascinantna igra, jer smo upravo razgovarali o svim

the different strategies, the sort of statistics, the mathematics, the politics,

različitim strategijama, vrsti statistike, matematici, politici,

the things it says about society and yeah, all the things we are getting

stvarima koje govori o društvu i da, svim stvarima koje griješimo

wrong, that everyone gets wrong when they play it, and all those other things.

, da svi pogreši kada je igraju, i sve te druge stvari.

Anna: A really important strategy that I think we've taken away from

Anna: Zaista važna strategija za koju mislim da smo izvukli iz

that particular episode that anyone who's interested in Monopoly should

te epizode da bi svako ko je zainteresovan za Monopol

definitely go and listen to the episode just to learn the strategy, if not to

svakako trebao otići i poslušati epizodu samo da nauči strategiju, ako ne i da

learn lots of fabulous English phrases.

nauči mnogo fantastičnih engleskih fraza.

Luke: Yeah, absolutely.

Luke: Da, apsolutno.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: I'll put a link in the description so everyone can check that out later.

Anna: Staviću link u opis kako bi svi mogli to kasnije provjeriti.

But do you play lots of games?

Ali igrate li puno igrica?

Do you have a game cupboard in your house?

Imate li ormar za igre u svojoj kući?

Luke: Yeah, we do.

Luke: Da, imamo.

So we've got, like the sort of bottom compartment of a cupboard in

Dakle, imamo, kao da neka vrsta donjeg odjeljka ormara u

my daughter's bedroom has got all the board games stuffed into it.

spavaćoj sobi moje kćeri ima sve društvene igre natrpane u njega.

So yeah, we definitely have a games cupboard.

Dakle, da, definitivno imamo ormar za igre.

Back in my childhood home, when I was growing up, in my parents'

U domu mog detinjstva, dok sam odrastao, u

house, we had a kind of a wooden box.

kući mojih roditelja, imali smo neku vrstu drvene kutije.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And we would open up the wooden kind of a chest, and that was full of

Anna: Da.

Luke: I otvorili bismo drvenu škrinju, koja je bila puna

all the different games and things, some of which have survived, including that

raznih igara i stvari, od kojih su neke preživjele, uključujući onaj

old monopoly set and various others.

stari monopol i razne druge.

So, yeah.

Dakle, da.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: So we have a couple of spaces in our house where we keep our games

Anna: Dakle, imamo nekoliko prostora u našoj kući gdje držimo naše igre

because I've, you know, got two young children and it is possibly the same...

jer ja, znate, imam dvoje male djece i vjerovatno je isto...

you said yours is in your daughter's bedroom.

rekli ste da je vaš u spavaćoj sobi vaše kćeri.

I mean, the risk there, 'cause I think your daughter's quite young, the risk

Mislim, postoji rizik, jer mislim da je tvoja ćerka prilično mlada, postoji rizik

there is that they might take them out when they're exploring one day and you're

da bi ih mogli izvaditi kada budu istraživali jednog dana, a vi

not looking, and then you find that there are lots of pieces missing or shoved into

ne tražite, i onda otkrijete da ima puno komada nestali ili gurnuti na

lots of different places all mixed up.

mnogo različitih mjesta sve pomiješano.

So we have been separating our stuff for a while, with the

Tako da smo odvojili naše stvari već neko vrijeme, s većinom

majority of the games accessible in the kind of kiddie's play area.

igara dostupnih u nekoj vrsti dječjeg igrališta.

We have those IKEA cupboards, you know, there's the, I think

Imamo one IKEA ormare, znate, tu je, mislim da

they're called Kallax or something.

se zovu Kallax ili tako nešto.

There's like, everyone has one of these cupboards in the UK if they

Kao, svi imaju jedan od ovih ormarića u UK ako kupuju

shop at IKEA for any furniture, they all have these Kallax units.

u IKEA-i za bilo kakav namještaj, svi imaju ove Kallax jedinice.

And we've got about five of them around the house.

A imamo ih oko pet oko kuće.

So we just fill one of those with the accessible games that we don't mind

Tako da samo jednu od njih ispunimo pristupačnim igrama za koje nemamo ništa protiv da

the children just grabbing at will.

ih djeca grabe po svojoj volji.

And then we have an inaccessible cupboard that has all the more advanced games,

A onda imamo nepristupačan ormarić koji ima sve naprednije igre,

like the chess sets and things like that.

poput šahovskih garnitura i sličnih stvari.

Luke: Right.

Luke: U redu.

Anna: And the jigsaw puzzles.

Ana: I slagalice.

I'm a big fan of jigsaws.

Veliki sam obožavatelj ubodnih testera.

How about you?

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

A ti?

Luke: Oh, da, da.

I love a jigsaw, and of course it's very good that you keep the jigsaw puzzles

Volim slagalicu, i naravno da je jako dobro da slagalice držite

away from the little kids because you cannot let any of those pieces go missing.

podalje od male djece jer ne možete dopustiti da bilo koji od tih dijelova nestane.

Anna: No.

Luke: Because if you try and do a jigsaw and there's one piece missing, then ah,

Anna: Ne. Luke: Jer ako pokušaš napraviti slagalicu i nedostaje ti jedan komad, onda

that's the worst thing in the world.

je to najgora stvar na svijetu.

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: A 1000-piece jigsaw has to be complete and if you put all that time into

Anna: Da, da.

Luke: Slagalica od 1000 komada mora biti kompletna i ako uložite svo to vrijeme u

doing it, and then at the end there's just one missing piece, it really ruins it.

to, a onda na kraju nedostaje samo jedan komad, to ga stvarno uništi.

But yeah, I do like a jigsaw.

Ali da, volim slagalicu.

They, you know, it forces you to slow down and take the time to just

Oni, znate, to vas tjera da usporite i odvojite vrijeme da se samo

focus on building that picture.

fokusirate na izgradnju te slike.

And there are strategies involved as well in jigsaws.

A tu su i strategije uključene u ubodne testere.

Anna: How do you do your jigsaws?

Anna: Kako radiš svoje slagalice?

Luke: So you find all the edge pieces first, obviously.

Luke: Dakle, prvo morate pronaći sve rubove, očigledno.

Anna: Of course.

Ana: Naravno.

Luke: Corner pieces are vital and then edges.

Luke: Uglovi su vitalni, a zatim ivice.

And then, well, you just do your best from there, don't you really?

A onda, pa, odatle samo daješ sve od sebe, zar ne?

Anna: Do you look at the picture?

Ana: Gledaš li sliku?

Luke: Oh yeah, of course.

Luke: O da, naravno.

Anna: Ah, see, the most fun is to spend about 60 seconds, before you

Anna: Ah, vidiš, najzabavnije je provesti oko 60 sekundi, prije nego što počneš

start, studying the picture, and then you never look at it again.

, proučavajući sliku, a onda je više nikad ne pogledaš.

Luke: Oh my God.

Luke: O moj Bože.

But that's too difficult, surely.

Ali to je preteško, sigurno.

Anna: Well, if you...

Ana: Pa, ako ti...

it depends on the jigsaw.

zavisi od slagalice.

We once did a jigsaw of the Rosetta Stone, and actually, I think that's

Jednom smo radili slagalicu Rosetta Stone, i zapravo, mislim da je to

the one jigsaw that defeated us.

jedina slagalica koja nas je porazila.

We had to first look at the picture and even then we couldn't get it.

Morali smo prvo pogledati sliku, a ni tada je nismo mogli dobiti.

So we ended up putting that one away.

Tako da smo ga na kraju sklonili.

But often we will just study the picture initially and then put it

Ali često ćemo u početku samo proučiti sliku, a zatim je odložiti

away and then try and figure it out without ever looking at the picture.

i onda pokušati da je shvatimo, a da ne pogledamo sliku.

It does take a long time.

Traje dosta vremena.

It will often take maybe a week or two, which now, because we've got

Često će to potrajati možda nedelju ili dve, što sada, pošto imamo

the kids, we can't just leave it out on the table 'cause the kids

decu, ne možemo samo da ostavimo na stolu jer

will be like, "oh, what's this?

će deca biti kao: "Oh, šta je ovo?

I help, I help."

Ja pomažem, ja pomozi."

Putting them everywhere.

Stavljaju ih svuda.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But we did just buy one of these mats.

Anna: Ali upravo smo kupili jednu od ovih prostirki.

And, sorry, this is jigsaws.

I, izvinite, ovo su slagalice.

This is completely off topic, but anyway, we bought one of these

Ovo je potpuno van teme, ali u svakom slučaju, kupili smo jednu od ovih

mats that you can roll up with a big inflatable like sausage.

prostirki koju možete zamotati uz veliku kobasicu na naduvavanje.

You lay the jigsaw out on the mat, and then when you finished for that

Položite ubodnu testeru na prostirku, a onda kada završite sa tom

session, you just roll it very carefully around this inflatable sausage.

sesijom, samo je vrlo pažljivo motate oko ove kobasice na naduvavanje.

And then just tie it off.

I onda ga samo zaveži.

And then you can travel with it, take it with you, unroll it somewhere else.

A onda možete putovati s njim, ponijeti ga sa sobom, odmotati negdje drugdje.

Luke: Right.

Luke: U redu.

So you're not restricted to just doing the jigsaw in this one location.

Dakle, niste ograničeni samo na izvođenje ubodne pile na ovoj jednoj lokaciji.

Yeah.

Anna: Exactly.

Da. Anna: Tačno.

But for us, it's a protection thing to get it away from the kids.

Ali za nas je zaštita da ga sklonimo od djece.

Luke: Very good.

Luke: Vrlo dobro.

Very smart move.

Veoma pametan potez.

Yeah,

Da,

Anna: We would never buy jigsaws from a charity shop, as well.

Anna: Nikada ne bismo kupili slagalice u dobrotvornoj radnji.

Like we have a little jigsaw club in my group of friends

Kao da imamo mali klub ubodnih testera u mojoj grupi prijatelja

locally and we swap jigsaws.

lokalno i da menjamo slagalice.

So we're always on the lookout for good jigsaws in different,

Stoga smo uvijek u potrazi za dobrim ubodnim pilama u različitim,

like garden centres and shops.

poput vrtnih centara i trgovina.

But I would never buy from a charity shop because you can't guarantee if it's a

Ali nikada ne bih kupio u dobrotvornoj radnji jer ne možete garantirati da li je to

complete jigsaw, and I'm sure the charity shop don't say, "Hey Vera, can you just

kompletna slagalica, a siguran sam da dobrotvorna radnja ne kaže: "Hej Vera, možeš li samo

complete the puzzle and make sure it's complete before we put it for sale?"

dovršiti slagalicu i provjeriti je li gotova prije dali smo ga na prodaju?"

But I did break my rule when recently visiting the charity shop to reward my

Ali prekršio sam svoje pravilo kada sam nedavno posjetio dobrotvornu radnju da nagradim svoje

boys who had slept through the night for five consecutive nights, got their

dječake koji su prespavali noć pet uzastopnih noći, dobili svoje

little stars on their star chart, and I said, okay, five stars you can go

male zvijezde na svojoj zvjezdanoj karti, i rekao sam, u redu, pet zvjezdica možete ići

to the charity shop and pick anything.

u dobrotvorne svrhe kupujte i birajte bilo šta.

And while we were there, I saw a jigsaw, which was a map of the world, and I

I dok smo bili tamo, video sam slagalicu, koja je bila karta sveta, i

thought, it's a little bit old for them at the moment, but wouldn't this be a

pomislio sam, malo je stara za njih u ovom trenutku, ali zar ovo ne bi bila sjajna

great thing to help teach them geography?

stvar da im pomognem u učenju geografije?

So we bought it and broke it out with them.

Pa smo ga kupili i raspalili s njima.

We did it on the floor.

Uradili smo to na podu.

The hardest jigsaw I think I've ever done.

Mislim da sam najteža slagalica koju sam ikada radio.

I had to actually look at the picture, because it's not a typical jigsaw shape.

Morao sam zapravo pogledati sliku, jer to nije tipičan oblik slagalice.

All the pieces are only the shape of the countries.

Svi komadi su samo u obliku zemalja.

Luke: Ah, I see.

Luke: Ah, vidim.

Anna: And so when you get to like Africa...

Ana: I kad ti se Afrika dopadne...

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: And there's all these teeny, tiny little, you know,

Anna: A tu su i sve te malene, malene

countries, all fit together.

zemlje, sve se uklapaju zajedno.

Luke: A lot of them are straight lines as well in Africa, in

Luka: I u Africi, u centralnim dijelovima Afrike,

the central parts of Africa.

mnoge su prave .

Yeah.

Anna: It was so hard.

Da. Anna: Bilo je tako teško.

So hard.

Veoma teško.

It is really good.

Zaista je dobro.

I mean, it was teaching me a thing or two about where places are.

Mislim, naučilo me je nešto o tome gdje su mjesta.

It makes you realise like, oh, I know where this place is.

To te tjera da shvatiš kao, oh, znam gdje je ovo mjesto.

No, I actually don't.

Ne, zapravo ne znam.

I've got no idea.

Nemam pojma.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

My parents have got the same thing, but for all the counties in...

Da. Moji roditelji imaju istu stvar, ali za sve okruge u...

Anna: Right.

Luke: In, I think it's only in England, just the English counties.

Ana: Tako je.

Luke: Mislim da je to samo u Engleskoj, samo u engleskim okruzima.

And yeah, that's surprisingly difficult as well because you kind of think

I da, i to je iznenađujuće teško jer na neki način mislite da

you know them, but that's very hard.

ih poznajete, ali to je jako teško.

Anna: I'm terrible at geography.

Anna: Loša sam u geografiji.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Absolutely terrible.

Anna: Apsolutno užasno.

So I wouldn't be able to do that.

Tako da ne bih mogao to da uradim.

And the globe one ended up me, just me on the floor.

A onaj globus je završio mene, samo ja na podu.

The kids got bored, and so they were off doing their Play-Doh or whatever it was.

Djeci je dosadilo, pa su krenuli da igraju svoj Play-Doh ili šta već.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And I'm there doing this jigsaw on my own, on the floor and

Luke: Da. Anna: I ja tamo radim ovu slagalicu sama, na podu i

there were three pieces missing at the end, and I was just devastated.

nedostajala su tri komada na kraju, i jednostavno sam bila shrvana.

But it turned out, They weren't missing, they were under the rug.

Ali ispostavilo se da nisu nestali, bili su pod tepihom.

The boys had helped me by stuffing them under the rug.

Momci su mi pomogli tako što su ih strpali pod tepih.

Luke: Right, yeah.

Luke: U redu, da.

That's the thing with jigsaws, you've gotta watch out for all the pieces.

To je stvar sa ubodnim testerama, morate paziti na sve komade.

But I do love jigsaws.

Ali ja volim slagalice.

I love doing jigsaws of maps, but I will look at the picture.

Volim da radim slagalice sa mapama, ali pogledaću sliku.

You know, I don't consider that to be cheating 'cause ultimately if I

Znate, ja to ne smatram varanjem, jer na kraju krajeva, da sam

was doing it without looking at the picture, I would have a horrible time.

to radio bez gledanja slike, imao bih užasno vrijeme.

So why make life difficult for yourself, you know?

Pa zašto sebi otežavati život, znaš?

Anna: Well, you should try it.

Ana: Pa, trebalo bi da probaš.

Luke: I suppose so.

Luke: Pretpostavljam.

Anna: I challenge you.

Don't take a really hard picture that's just like clouds or waves.

Anna: Izazivam te.

Nemojte snimati zaista tešku sliku koja je poput oblaka ili valova.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or trees.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Ili drveće.

Rose bushes.

Rose bushes.

Just, you know, take something that's a mixture of things that you can figure out.

Samo, znate, uzmite nešto što je mješavina stvari koje možete shvatiti.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: You know, I think it's fun.

Ana: Znaš, mislim da je zabavno.

Luke: Jigsaws with lots and lots of little details are great.

Luke: Ubodne testere sa puno i puno malih detalja su odlične.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Like one of my favourites is the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album cover.

Anna: Mm-hmm. Luke: Jedna od mojih omiljenih je omot albuma Beatlesa Sergeant Pepper.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Because every single portion of that picture has got

Anna: Da. Luke: Zato što svaki dio te slike ima

something interesting in it.

nešto zanimljivo u sebi.

Alexa: Someone's at the front door.

Anna: Sorry, Alexa is so rude.

Alexa: Neko je na ulaznim vratima.

Anna: Izvini, Alexa je tako nepristojna.

Luke: You are being interrupted by Alexa.

Luke: Prekida te Alexa.

Anna: She always does this.

Ana: Ona to uvek radi.

Luke: What's Alexa saying to you?

Luke: Šta ti Alexa govori?

Anna: Someone's at the front door.

Anna: Neko je na ulaznim vratima.

Bing bong.

Bing bong.

Luke: This happened to us last time, Anna.

Luke: Ovo nam se dogodilo prošli put, Ana.

Anna: It always happens.

I've unplugged her.

Ana: To se uvek dešava.

Isključio sam je.

Luke: Alexa is so helpful and yet unhelpful at the same time.

Luke: Alexa je od velike pomoći, a opet beskorisna u isto vrijeme.

Anna: So, what was I talking about?

Ana: Dakle, o čemu sam pričala?

I was doing a podcast when I was talking about how a lot of English words come from

Radio sam podcast kada sam govorio o tome kako mnogo engleskih riječi dolazi iz

Arabic or have a relationship to Arabic.

arapskog ili ima veze s arapskim.

And I was going through the list and one of the words was elixir, an

I ja sam prolazio kroz listu i jedna od reči je bila eliksir, eliksir

elixir and she kept coming on going,

, a ona je stalno ponavljala:

"I'm sorry, I don't know that one right now."

"Žao mi je, ne znam tu trenutno."

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I'm not talking to you!

Luke: Da.

Anna: Ne razgovaram s tobom!

Luke: I'll be teaching in class in, you know, in English lessons and I say

Luke: Predavat ću na časovima, znate, na časovima engleskog i kažem

something that sounds like Hey, Siri.

nešto što zvuči kao Hej, Siri.

Oh!

Oh!

Anna: There we go.

Anna: Evo ga.

Luke: Not talking to you now, doing a podcast.

Luke: Ne razgovaram sada s tobom, radim podcast.

Siri: Okay.

Siri: U redu.

Luke: Okay, says Siri.

Luke: U redu, kaže Siri.

Anna: Brilliant.

Luke: Alright.

Anna: Sjajno.

Luke: U redu.

And I'll say something that sounds like that and, and Siri steps in and

I ja ću reći nešto što tako zvuči i Siri ulazi i

says, "I'm sorry, I can't find that.

kaže: "Žao mi je, ne mogu to pronaći.

Here are some results from the internet", or something like that.

Evo nekih rezultata sa interneta", ili nešto slično.

It's always a hilarious moment.

To je uvijek smiješan trenutak.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

It's so rude.

It's so rude.

To je tako nepristojno.

To je tako nepristojno.

Someone should teach them some manners.

Neko bi ih trebao naučiti ponašanju.

Okay, so, jigsaws fantastic, but...

Dobro, dakle, slagalice su fantastične, ali...

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: What's your default, what's your go-to game when you're, say,

Luke: Da.

Anna: Koja je tvoja zadana igra, koja je tvoja igra kada si, recimo,

with your family or your friends?

sa porodicom ili prijateljima?

Luke: Well, obviously Monopoly, as we've said.

Luke: Pa, očigledno Monopol, kao što smo rekli.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But other ones, Scrabble is a bit of a favourite, oh it's a tough one.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ali drugi, Scrabble je pomalo omiljeni, oh, težak je.

You know.

Ti znaš.

Anna: What, Scrabble's a tough one?

Ana: Šta, Scrabble je težak?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or the question's tough?

Luke: Da. Anna: Ili je pitanje teško?

Luke: Scrabble is, well, both the question is tough because there are

Luke: Scrabble je, pa, i jedno i drugo pitanje je teško jer postoji

many games I could talk about, but I realise there are only a certain number

mnogo utakmica o kojima bih mogao pričati, ali shvaćam da postoji samo određeni broj

of minutes that we can do this for.

minuta za koje možemo ovo da uradimo.

But I mean, you know, we could do an hour on each game.

Ali mislim, znaš, mogli bismo odraditi sat vremena na svakoj utakmici.

Anna: Why is Scrabble tough for you?

Anna: Zašto ti je Scrabble težak?

Luke: Well, it's just, you know, words innit?

Luke: Pa, to su samo, znaš, riječi zar ne?

You know, just like, ahh...

Znaš, baš kao, ahh...

Anna: English words?

Anna: engleske riječi?

Luke: English words, spelling.

Luke: engleske riječi, pravopis.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But it's tough because I'm competing against, probably my mum and dad.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Ali teško je jer se takmičim protiv, vjerovatno, mame i tate.

And my wife, now she is French, but she's so good at Scrabble

I moja žena, sada je Francuskinja, ali je tako dobra u Scrabbleu

in English, it's frightening.

na engleskom, da je to zastrašujuće.

Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself when I play against her and, and lose.

Da, tako se stidim sebe kada igram protiv nje i izgubim.

I mean, you know, I suppose I shouldn't be, I should just be

Mislim, znaš, pretpostavljam da ne bih trebao biti, samo bih trebao biti

proud of my wife for being so good at Scrabble in a second language.

ponosan na svoju ženu što je tako dobra u Scrabbleu na drugom jeziku.

We were on holiday in Brittany recently, and there was a Scrabble set in the room.

Nedavno smo bili na odmoru u Bretanji, a u sobi je bio set Scrabble.

And it was a French Scrabble set.

I to je bio francuski Scrabble set.

Anna: Ah.

Luke: You might think, well, the alphabet's the same, but like the number

Anna: Ah.

Luke: Možda mislite, pa, abeceda je ista, ali kao što

of letters is, you know, the arrangement, the number of each letter is different.

je broj slova, znate, raspored, broj svakog slova je drugačiji.

And in a French Scrabble set, just so many vowels, just,

A u francuskom Scrabble setu, samo toliko samoglasnika, jednostavno,

it's just like too many vowels.

kao da je previše samoglasnika.

'cause you know, in French spelling, they use a lot more vowels.

jer znate, u francuskom pravopisu, koriste mnogo više samoglasnika.

Anna: Do you have the ones with the, the little, um...

Ana: Imate li one sa, malim, hm...

Luke: Accents?

Luk: Akcentima?

No, there are no accents.

Ne, nema akcenta.

They don't do accents, 'cause that would be too complicated.

Ne prave akcente, jer bi to bilo previše komplikovano.

But no, just, just way more vowels.

Ali ne, samo, samo više samoglasnika.

So I'm just like picking out my letters.

Tako da samo biram svoja pisma.

Just like, okay, E O U E.

Baš kao, u redu, EOU E.

Just O's U's and E's like millions of E's, and O'S and U's.

Samo O's U i E's kao milioni E, i O'S i U.

So that was complicated.

To je bilo komplikovano.

And of course, you know, we, I was like, oh, there's a Scrabble set here.

I naravno, znate, mi, mislio sam, oh, ovdje je Scrabble set.

And my wife's like, should we play in English or French?

A moja žena pita, da li da igramo na engleskom ili francuskom?

And you know, just, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to win in English.

I znaš, samo, znaš, ponekad mi je teško pobijediti na engleskom.

Yeah.

So there's really no chance of being able to win in French.

Da. Tako da zaista nema šanse da pobedite na francuskom.

But it's still a great game.

Ali to je još uvijek odlična igra.

I do love like trying to find like the, it's not just about

Volim da pokušavam da pronađem kao što je, ne radi se samo o

finding the long words, but finding clever ways to use little words,

pronalaženju dugih reči, već o pronalaženju pametnih načina da se koriste male reči,

but maximise the extra points.

ali da se maksimalno povećaju dodatni poeni.

You know, if someone's put down a word with a Q in it or an X or something

Znate, ako je neko upisao riječ sa Q ili X ili nešto

like that, you can find a way to incorporate that X and get a triple

slično, možete pronaći način da ugradite taj X i dobijete trojku

and land on a double at the same time.

i istovremeno dobijete duplu.

And then you can get a massive score if you're clever enough.

A onda možete dobiti ogroman rezultat ako ste dovoljno pametni.

Anna: And if you struggle with spelling, 'cause I am really

Anna: A ako se boriš sa pravopisom, jer ja stvarno nisam

not very good at spelling.

baš dobra u pravopisu.

I've improved a lot since teaching because I'm always looking at

Mnogo sam napredovao od predavanja jer uvijek gledam

and writing out notes and looking at words and teaching them.

i pišem bilješke i gledam riječi i podučavam ih.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But I'm dyslexic, so spelling has always been a bit of a weak point.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Ana: Ali ja sam disleksična, tako da je pravopis oduvek bio slaba tačka.

And I think I've often hidden behind that as an excuse.

I mislim da sam se često skrivao iza toga kao izgovor.

Oh, I'm dyslexic, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it.

Oh, ja sam disleksičan, tako da neću previše brinuti o tome.

But as a teacher, you try and hold yourself to account a bit more.

Ali kao nastavnik, pokušavate da se malo više smatrate odgovornim.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And make sure what you're putting out is good.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: I pobrini se da je ono što objavljuješ dobro.

So I think I've learned a lot with that.

Tako da mislim da sam puno naučio s tim.

So I think maybe I'll be better at Scrabble now than I used to be.

Tako da mislim da ću možda sada biti bolji u Scrabbleu nego što sam bio.

But you can get Junior Scrabble, can't you?

Ali možete dobiti Junior Scrabble, zar ne?

So if you're an English learner, maybe Scrabble would be a

Dakle, ako učite engleski, možda bi Scrabble bila

good game for you to play.

dobra igra za vas.

Luke: Sure.

Anna: To help with your English.

Luke: Naravno. Anna: Da vam pomognem sa engleskim.

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno.

Anna: But perhaps a Junior Scrabble board initially would be good.

Anna: Ali možda bi Junior Scrabble tabla u početku bila dobra.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Absolutely.

Apsolutno.

Yeah.

All those things.

Da. Sve te stvari.

I mean, board games for learning English, a hundred percent.

Mislim, društvene igre za učenje engleskog, sto posto.

Great idea.

Odlicna ideja.

'Cause, you know, it is basically a scenario in which you often have to use

Jer, znate, to je u osnovi scenario koji često morate koristiti

language in order to complete the game.

jeziku kako biste dovršili igru.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: It essentially takes away the need for forced social interaction.

Luke: To u suštini uklanja potrebu za prisilnom društvenom interakcijom.

It's a great social lubricant, which is exactly what you need to practise English.

To je odličan društveni lubrikant, što je upravo ono što vam je potrebno za vježbanje engleskog.

You know, you don't have to be like, oh and what we're gonna talk

Znaš, ne moraš biti kao, o, i o čemu ćemo

about now, you know, it's all there.

sada pričati, znaš, sve je tu.

You just have to play the game and you will be encouraged to use language.

Samo morate da igrate igru ​​i bićete ohrabreni da koristite jezik.

Some games involve language like Scrabble, for example, or some others and some games

Neke igre uključuju jezik kao što je Scrabble, na primjer, ili neke druge, a neke igre

also just encourage you to use language to achieve the outcome of the game.

vas također samo potiču da koristite jezik za postizanje ishoda igre.

Like for example, if you have to negotiate in Monopoly for something, you know, for

Kao na primjer, ako morate pregovarati u Monopolu za nešto, znate, na

example, that can be really good practice.

primjer, to može biti stvarno dobra praksa.

So yeah, I should give a shout out to another teacher called Zdenek,

Dakle, da, trebao bih pohvaliti još jednog učitelja po imenu Zdenek,

uh, Zdenek Lukas from the Czech Republic, who has been doing a

uh, Zdenek Lukas iz Češke, koji

podcast in English for many years.

već dugi niz godina radi podcast na engleskom.

And he likes to use board games as well.

A voli da koristi i društvene igre.

He's kind of a huge board game enthusiast, and he has a Discord

On je na neki način veliki entuzijasta društvenih igara i ima Discord

server called the Achievers Chamber.

server koji se zove Achievers Chamber.

Right.

And they do play board games there in English.

U redu. I tamo igraju društvene igre na engleskom.

So he's a good person to go to if you're interested in practising

Dakle, on je dobra osoba kojoj možete otići ako ste zainteresirani za vježbanje

your English with board games.

engleskog jezika uz društvene igre.

Anna: Fantastic.

Yeah, and I think having fun while learning is always really important for

Anna: Fantastično.

Da, i mislim da je zabava uz učenje uvijek jako važna za

motivation, also your brain, you process things and you know, it helps your memory.

motivaciju, također i vaš mozak, obrađujete stvari i znate, to pomaže vašem pamćenju.

If you are enjoying and releasing all those happy hormones.

Ako uživate i otpuštate sve te hormone sreće.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: While you are learning, it, you know, removes all the stress,

Luke: Da. Ana: Dok učite, to, znate, uklanja sav stres,

which isn't good for memory.

što nije dobro za pamćenje.

So, so play some games.

Dakle, igrajte neke igrice.

Now, one of the great things with Scrabble is getting a Scrabble dictionary and

Sada, jedna od sjajnih stvari sa Scrabbleom je nabaviti Scrabble rječnik i

learning some of the weird and bizarre words that you'll throw down on the

naučiti neke od čudnih i bizarnih riječi koje ćete baciti na ploču

board and it's a high scorer and someone will go, "that's not a word!", and

i to je najbolji rezultat i neko će reći, "to nije riječ!", a

you say, "hey, check out the Scrabble dictionary because it is a word."

vi kažete, "hej, pogledajte Scrabble rječnik jer je riječ."

I actually played for my school, funnily enough, terrible speller, but I played in

Ja sam zapravo igrao za svoju školu, smiješno, užasan pravopis, ali igrao sam u

the Scrabble, like leagues at school, and there was always a whole bunch of random

Scrabbleu, kao lige u školi, i uvijek je postojala gomila nasumičnih

two letter words that I'm like, you would never use this word in a conversation.

riječi od dva slova na koje sam poput, nikada ne biste koristili ovu riječ u razgovor.

What even is it?

Šta je to uopšte?

But there're allowed because they're in the dictionary and one of these words

Ali su dozvoljene jer se nalaze u rječniku, a jedne od ovih riječi

is not even in the official dictionary.

nema čak ni u službenom rječniku.

It's allowed in the Scrabble dictionary, and it's an abbreviation of casual.

To je dozvoljeno u Scrabble rječniku, i to je skraćenica od casual.

It's cazh, spelled C-A-Z-H.

To je cazh, speluje se CAZH.

Luke: C-A-Z-H?

Luke: CAZH?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Cazh.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Cazh. Luke: Stvarno, cazh?

Luke: Really, cazh?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Yeah, that Scrabble dictionary is very suspect, isn't it?

Luke: Da, taj Scrabble rječnik je vrlo sumnjiv, zar ne?

Don't you think?

Anna: Bit dodgy.

zar ne?

Anna: Pomalo zeznuto.

Bit dodgy.

Luke: Like it's, yeah, like, my parents, when we play Scrabble with them, they

Malo dodgy.

Luke: Kao, da, kao, moji roditelji, kada igramo Scrabble s njima, oni

basically ban the Scrabble dictionary.

u suštini zabranjuju Scrabble rječnik.

Anna: Right.

Luke: You know, because otherwise what happens is you just end up digging

Anna: U redu.

Luke: Znate, jer u suprotnom ono što se dešava je da jednostavno na kraju kopate

through the Scrabble dictionary, trying to justify some ridiculous three letter

po Scrabble rječniku, pokušavajući opravdati neku smiješnu

word that contains an X or something.

riječ od tri slova koja sadrži X ili nešto slično.

Or you know, you come out with Q I.

Ili znaš, izlaziš sa Q I.

It's like ah, qi?

To je kao ah, qi?

And so like, everyone's like qi, that's not a word.

I tako kao, svi su kao qi, to nije riječ.

Yeah, it is qi.

Da, to je Qi.

It's pronounced 'key'.

It's a Chinese word.

Izgovara se 'ključ'.

To je kineska riječ.

It means energy.

To znači energija.

Ah, there you go.

Ah, izvoli.

You know.

Ti znaš.

Anna: Yeah.

Your parents are a lot of fun.

Anna: Da.

Tvoji roditelji su jako zabavni.

You did an episode with them recently for the coronation?

Nedavno ste radili epizodu sa njima za krunisanje?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah, they are.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Da, jesu.

You can see a lot of your personality and where that's, well, not

Možete vidjeti dosta svoje ličnosti i gdje je to, pa, ne

that your personality came from your parents, you are unique.

da vaša ličnost potiče od vaših roditelja, vi ste jedinstveni.

But, um...

Ali, ovaj...

Luke: Yeah, I did it myself.

Luke: Da, sam sam to uradio.

I built it on my own!

Sam sam ga napravio!

Anna: But they are, they're good fun.

Ana: Ali jesu, dobro su zabavne.

You can tell that they're quite astute and clever.

Možete reći da su prilično pronicljivi i pametni.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Yeah, they are pretty smart and clever people.

Da, oni su prilično pametni i pametni ljudi.

Quite funny.

Prilično smiješno.

Yeah, it's nice.

Da, lepo je.

Yeah.

I'm lucky.

Da. Ja sam sretan.

Lucky to have parents like that and yeah, it's nice to play board games with them.

Sreća što imamo takve roditelje i da, lijepo je igrati društvene igre s njima.

It's always pretty good fun.

Uvek je dobra zabava.

Although you know, my wife's very competitive and my

Iako znate, moja žena je vrlo konkurentna, a moj

dad is competitive, right.

tata je konkurentan, zar ne.

So there's, when the two of them clash heads...

Pa eto, kad se njih dvoje sukobe...

Anna: Oh, they fight do they?

Ana: Oh, svađaju se, zar ne?

Luke: Well, in a nice way.

Luka: Pa, na lijep način.

Anna: Which side do I take?

Ana: Koju stranu da zauzmem?

Obviously always your wife's.

Očigledno je uvijek tvoje žene.

Luke: Yeah, of course.

Luke: Da, naravno.

But it's always interesting to see how the dynamic switches

Ali uvijek je zanimljivo vidjeti kako se dinamika mijenja

when the competition arrives.

kada dođe konkurencija.

But it's good.

Ali dobro je.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: No, it's great.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ne, super je.

Anna: Okay, so there's just two more words I'm gonna mention

Anna: U redu, ima još samo dvije riječi koje ću spomenuti

on Scrabble before we move on.

o Scrabbleu prije nego što nastavimo dalje.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And one of them is zax, which is the highest scoring three

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: A jedna od njih je zax, što je riječ od tri slova s ​​najboljim brojem bodova

letter word that you can have.

koju možete imati.

Luke: Z-A-X?

Luka: ZAX?

Anna: Zax, do you know what this is?

Anna: Zax, znaš li šta je ovo?

Luke: Zax?

Luke: Zax?

Mm-hmm.

I've no idea what zax is.

Mm-hmm. Nemam pojma šta je zax.

No one ever uses the word zax.

Niko nikada ne koristi reč zax.

I've never read it, heard it.

Nikad ga nisam čitao, čuo.

Anna: It would be used in a specific industry.

Anna: Koristio bi se u određenoj industriji.

So if you work in a specific industry, it's a tool.

Dakle, ako radite u određenoj industriji, to je alat.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Like can you just pass me that zax over there.

Možeš li mi dodati onaj zax tamo.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Luke: It's a tool like that.

Luke: To je takav alat.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Sorry, pass, pass you what?

Anna: Da. Luke: Izvini, dodaj, da ti dodam šta?

The zax over there.

Zax tamo.

It's his first day on the job.

Ovo mu je prvi dan na poslu.

He doesn't know what a zax is.

On ne zna šta je zaks.

Anna: So it's an axe that a slater uses, so it's a specific axe for a

Ana: Dakle, to je sjekira koju koristi slater, tako da je to posebna sjekira za

specific job of putting nails into slate.

određeni posao zabijanja eksera u škriljevce.

Luke: Slate, which is like things that would go on the roof of a house.

Luke: Škriljevac, što je kao stvari koje bi išle na krov kuće.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Da.

Luke: Okay.

A zax is a specific hammer for hitting nails into a roof.

Luke: U redu.

Zax je specifičan čekić za zabijanje eksera u krov.

Anna: Yeah, I believe so.

Anna: Da, vjerujem da je tako.

Don't quote me on that.

Ne citiraj me o tome.

I might have got that wrong.

Možda sam to pogrešio.

Luke: Yeah, I'll take your word for it.

Luke: Da, vjerovat ću ti na riječ.

Anna: A slater's axe.

Ana: Slaterova sjekira.

Now the other one, quite funny, is the word gangbang.

Sada druga, prilično smiješna, je riječ gangbang.

Luke: Oh yeah?

Luke: O da?

Anna: Oh yeah.

Anna: O da.

Luke: Oh yes, okay.

Luke: O da, u redu.

Wait, that's quite a long word as well for G A N G...

Čekaj, i to je prilično duga riječ za GAN G-a...

Anna: Four, uh, four?

Ana: Četiri, uh, četiri?

Eight!

Luke: B A N G, eight.

Osam! Luke: BANG, osam.

So that's, yeah.

To je, da.

If you've got a word that ends in a G on the board, and you've got

Ako imate riječ koja se završava na G na ploči, a onda imate

'angbang' in your hand then, you know...

'angbang' u ruci, znate...

Anna: Boom!

Luke: Don't waste any time!

Ana: Bum! Luke: Ne gubite vrijeme!

Anna: Get on with the gangbang!

Anna: Nastavi s gangbangom!

Luke: Yeah, exactly.

Luke: Da, tačno.

Anna: So what I've got here is the word was allowed in the second edition of

Ana: Dakle, ono što imam ovdje je da je riječ bila dozvoljena u drugom izdanju

the Scrabble dictionary, but then it got removed from the third edition and

Scrabble rječnika, ali je onda uklonjena iz trećeg izdanja, a

then was reintroduced in the fourth.

zatim je ponovo uvedena u četvrto.

Now apparently this is because it changed meaning over the time.

Očigledno je to zato što je vremenom promijenilo značenje.

So gangbang, it's transitioned its meaning from participating

Dakle, gangbang je prešao svoje značenje sa učešća

in gang related activities.

u aktivnostima vezanim za bande.

Luke: Right.

Luke: U redu.

Gangbanging or to be a gangbanger.

Gangbanging ili biti gangbanger.

Anna: Yeah.

Yes.

Anna: Da.

Da.

Yeah.

So, me and my gang are gonna go and hang out in the fields

Da. Dakle, ja i moja družina ćemo se družiti u poljima

and just make daisy chains.

i praviti lance.

We're just having a gangbang.

Samo imamo gangbang.

Luke: Um, I dunno about that.

Luke: Hm, ne znam za to.

I think it would be more like what, some guys going and

Mislim da bi to bilo više kao šta, neki momci idu i

stealing a car or something, no?

kradu auto ili tako nešto, zar ne?

Anna: Maybe.

Luke: Or maybe something as innocent as just collecting flowers.

Ana: Možda.

Luke: Ili možda nešto tako nevino kao samo skupljanje cvijeća.

Yeah.

Da. Ana: Možda.

Anna: Perhaps.

I've never been involved with any gang activities.

Nikada nisam bio uključen u aktivnosti bandi.

So, and some people might be listening, going, what on earth are they...?

Dakle, i neki ljudi možda slušaju, govore, šta su oni, zaboga...?

Why are they laughing so much?

Zašto se toliko smeju?

What is going on?

Šta se dešava?

The like overarching meaning of this word that everyone knows it

Slično sveobuhvatno značenje ove riječi po kojem je svi znaju

for is a bunch of chaps having intimate relations with one woman.

je gomila momaka koji imaju intimne odnose s jednom ženom.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And so that's why we're kind of like sniggering and giggling.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: I zato smo kao da se smješkamo i kikotavamo.

Luke: About sex - lol.

Luke: O seksu - lol.

Anna: So yes, initially it was thought of as gang related activities

Anna: Dakle, da, u početku se to smatralo aktivnostima vezanim za bande,

to then something quite naughty.

a onda nešto prilično nestašno.

And then it went back to meaning participating in gang related activities.

A onda se vratilo na učešće u aktivnostima vezanim za bande.

I don't know how that happens.

Ne znam kako se to dešava.

Luke: So as the word sort of drifted in and out of acceptability.

Luke: Dakle, kako je riječ na neki način odlutala u prihvatljivost i van nje.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: Riječ je postala jer, jer da, u Scrabbleu...

Luke: The word has become because, 'cause yeah, in Scrabble...

Anna: It was in and out, in and out.

Ana: Bilo je unutra i van, unutra i van.

In and out.

Unutra i vani.

Luke: Yeah.

That's another way of saying it, Anna, yeah.

Luke: Da.

To je drugi način da se to kaže, Anna, da.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: Jer u Scrabbleu, kao što su nepristojne ili tabu ili psovke nisu dozvoljene,

Luke: 'Cause in Scrabble, like rude or taboo or swear words are not allowed,

which I find completely wrong and disappointing because I mean, you

što smatram potpuno pogrešnim i razočaravajućim jer mislim, znate

know, why exclude the swear words?

, zašto isključiti psovke?

Anna: Maybe it's because it's not family friendly.

Anna: Možda zato što nije za porodicu.

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Luke: Oh, da, da.

Okay.

If you're playing it with your grandma, and you write, you know, you put down

U redu. Ako se igraš sa svojom bakom, i napišeš, znaš, odbaciš

gangbang and then, you know, you say, well, it's in the rules, grandma,

gangbang i onda, znaš, kažeš, pa, to je u pravilima, bako,

you're allowed to use that word.

smiješ koristiti tu riječ.

Yeah, I suppose they're just trying to prevent those sort of family, potential

Da, pretpostavljam da samo pokušavaju da spreče tu vrstu porodičnih, potencijalnih

problems that could be caused by writing extremely rude words on a board.

problema koje bi moglo da izazove pisanje izuzetno nepristojnih reči na tabli.

I mean, it, you know, depends how committed you are to winning

Mislim, to, znate, zavisi koliko ste posvećeni pobedi

the game, doesn't it really?

u igri, zar ne?

If you're like, I'm gonna risk it all.

Ako hoćeš, sve ću rizikovati.

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna write gangbang.

I ja ću, ja ću napisati gangbang.

I don't care what my grandparents think.

Nije me briga šta misle moji baka i deda.

I wanna win this game and I'm prepared to defend my choice.

Želim da pobedim u ovoj utakmici i spreman sam da branim svoj izbor.

I'll Google it in front of them if I have to.

Guglaću pred njima ako treba.

Anna: And display the trophy with pride.

Ana: I pokažite trofej s ponosom.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: Da. Anna: U redu.

So that's Scrabble.

Dakle, to je Scrabble.

We'll leave that there.

Ostavićemo to tamo.

Luke: Okay.

Yeah.

Luke: U redu.

Da.

Anna: So some, I think when it comes to board games, you're either a lover

Anna: Neki, mislim, kada su u pitanju društvene igre, ili ste ljubitelj

of games that really take strategy and thinking, so they're like strategic

igara koje zaista zahtijevaju strategiju i razmišljanje, tako da su one kao strateške

games that you have to use your brain.

igre u kojima morate koristiti svoj mozak.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Or they're just a game of chance.

Anna: Ili su samo igra na sreću.

And I guess with younger children, a lot of their board games tend

I pretpostavljam da kod mlađe djece mnoge njihove društvene igre obično

to be just rolling a dice or, you know, picking the right card.

budu samo bacanje kocke ili, znate, biranje prave karte.

It's all a game of chance.

Sve je to igra na sreću.

For example, Snakes and Ladders, the old classic Snakes and Ladders.

Na primjer, Zmije i ljestve, stari klasični Zmije i ljestve.

Luke: Snakes and Ladders.

Luka: Zmije i merdevine.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: You just have to get the right numbers and work your way up the board.

Anna: Samo treba da dobijete prave brojeve i napredujete na tabli.

And what happens if you land on a ladder?

A šta se dešava ako sletite na merdevine?

Luke: You climb up it.

Luke: Popni se gore.

If you land on a snake's head, just like in the real world,

Ako sletite na glavu zmije, baš kao u stvarnom svijetu,

you slide all the way down.

klizite skroz dolje.

All the way down to its tail.

Sve do repa.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I mean, yeah.

It's not based in, it's not a very realistic game, I suppose.

Anna: Da. Luke: Mislim, da.

Pretpostavljam da nije bazirana na, nije baš realistična igra.

Anna: No.

Anna: Ne.

Luke: You're more likely to get bitten by the snake, I suppose.

Luke: Vjerovatnije je da će te zmija ugristi, pretpostavljam.

Especially if you land on its head.

Pogotovo ako mu sletiš na glavu.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ali svejedno, da.

Luke: But anyway, yeah.

In terms of the game, yeah.

Što se tiče igre, da.

You climb up the ladder if you land at the bottom of it, if you're lucky enough.

Popećete se uz merdevine ako sletite na dno, ako imate sreće.

And if you land on a snake's head, you slide all the way down to the bottom

A ako sletiš na zmijinu glavu, sklizneš skroz do dna

and it's, yeah, the drama, the, ahh no!

i to je, da, drama, ahh ne!

Slide all the way down!

Sklizni skroz dole!

But yeah, the kids love it because it's pretty simple stuff.

Ali da, djeca to vole jer su to prilično jednostavne stvari.

Anna: Yeah.

Aging up again.

Anna: Da.

Ponovo starenje.

One of the things I used to play a lot as a child was Trivial Pursuit.

Jedna od stvari koje sam često igrao kao dete bila je Trivijalna potera.

Did you ever play that?

Jeste li ikada igrali to?

Luke: Oh, yeah.

Luke: Oh, da. Volim malo Trivijalne potere.

I love a bit of Trivial Pursuit.

Anna: What do you love about it?

Ana: Šta ti se sviđa kod toga?

Luke: I think the trivia more than the pursuit.

Luke: Mislim da su trivijalnosti više od potrage.

Anna: Right.

Luke: In fact, I'm quite happy sometimes to just get the box of cards and just

Anna: U redu. Luke: U stvari, ponekad sam prilično sretan što samo dobijem kutiju s kartama i jednostavno

like, just ask me some questions.

mi postaviš neka pitanja.

Let's ask each other questions, you know?

Hajde da postavljamo pitanja jedni drugima, znaš?

Never mind about these bits of different coloured cheese in a wheel.

Nema veze sa ovim komadićima sira različitih boja u kolu.

Like what?

Kao šta?

Just ask the questions.

Samo postavljaj pitanja.

Anna: Yeah.

That's right.

Anna: Da. Tako je.

I called it a pie in the notes, but you're right, it's a

Ja sam to nazvao pita u beleškama, ali u pravu si, to je točak

wheel and it's cheeses, right?

i to su sirevi, zar ne?

Luke: Well, I don't know, 'cause like when you play Trivial Pursuit, people will

Luke: Pa, ne znam, jer kada igrate Trivial Pursuit, ljudi će

just decide to call it a pie or cheese.

jednostavno odlučiti da to nazovu pita ili sir.

It's cheese pies.

To su pite sa sirom.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I don't know really.

Anna: Da. Luke: Ne znam stvarno.

That's not written in the rules, is it?

To nije zapisano u pravilima, zar ne?

I dunno.

Segments, segments.

Ne znam.

Segmenti, segmenti.

Anna: It sounds really familiar.

Anna: Zvuči stvarno poznato.

As soon as you said cheese, that really made sense to me.

Čim si rekao sir, to mi je zaista imalo smisla.

I was like, yeah, that's what we used to call it.

Mislio sam, da, tako smo to zvali.

I couldn't remember.

Nisam se mogao sjetiti.

I'm sure that's what it's written as.

Siguran sam da je tako napisano.

You have a cheese.

Imate sir.

Luke: Because Trivial Pursuit, it's got a kind of air of slight

Luke: Zato što Trivial Pursuit ima neku vrstu blage

sophistication about it and sort of, oh, we're very clever and sophisticated.

sofisticiranosti u vezi s tim i nekako, oh, mi smo vrlo pametni i sofisticirani.

We know things about science and geography, and history

Znamo stvari o nauci i geografiji, historiji

and literature and the arts.

i književnosti i umjetnosti.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't think they're referring to those pieces as cheeses.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mislim da te komade ne nazivaju sirevima.

I think they call them segments.

Mislim da ih zovu segmenti.

Anna: Oh, oh yes.

Anna: Oh, oh da.

Luke: I guess so.

I would imagine so.

Luke: Valjda.

Zamislio bih da je tako.

Anna: That would be sensible.

Anna: To bi bilo razumno.

Yeah.

So for those listening, Trivial Pursuit is basically a round board game?

Da.

Dakle, za one koji slušaju, Trivial Pursuit je u osnovi okrugla društvena igra?

Well, it has a big circle that you have to get around, and as you keep going around

Pa, ima veliki krug koji morate zaobići, i dok ga stalno obilazite

it with your little piece that has loads of segments that are empty, you have

sa svojim malim komadom koji ima gomilu segmenata koji su prazni, morate

to fill up your, let's call it a pie.

napuniti svoju, nazovimo to pita.

You have to fill up your pie with all these little pieces.

Morate napuniti svoju pitu sa svim ovim malim komadićima.

And you get those pieces by landing on different colours,

A te komade dobijate tako što ćete staviti različite boje,

which are different topics.

a to su različite teme.

So you have things like sports and leisure, geography, arts and

Dakle, imate stvari poput sporta i slobodnog vremena, geografije, umjetnosti i

literature, things like that.

književnosti, takve stvari.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So different topics of questions and every time you land on

Luke: Da. Anna: Različite teme pitanja i svaki put kada sletite na

a square, you get asked that question.

kvadrat, postavljaju vam se to pitanje.

If you can answer it, you get your cheese or your segment or whatever it is.

Ako možete odgovoriti, dobit ćete svoj sir ili svoj segment ili šta god da je.

You get your piece.

Dobiješ svoj komad. Luke: Sir je dobar.

Luke: Cheese is good.

Anna: And when you fill up your entire pie, wheel, then you no

Anna: A kada napuniš cijelu svoju pitu, točak, onda

longer have to keep going around.

više ne moraš ići okolo.

You can move up the middle and it's the first person to then get, and

Možete se pomaknuti u sredinu i to je prva osoba koja će tada dobiti, a

you have to roll the exact number.

vi morate ubaciti tačan broj.

It's so frustrating to get into the middle and then you are the winner, and

Tako je frustrirajuće ući u sredinu i onda si ti pobjednik, i

I think that's the downfall of the game.

mislim da je to propast igre.

Like you said, the fun is the trivia, it's answering the questions.

Kao što ste rekli, zabava je trivijalnost, to je odgovaranje na pitanja.

The boring bit is having to roll the dice and get the right numbers

Dosadna stvar je baciti kockice i dobiti prave brojeve

to get to where you need to be.

da biste stigli tamo gdje trebate biti.

Luke: But it's quite clever in the way that they've made the game where

Luke: Ali to je prilično pametno na način da su napravili igru ​​u kojoj

if it wasn't for the board and the cheeses and the pies and going around

da nije bilo ploče i sireva i pite i išli okolo

and collecting cheese and going to the middle, if it wasn't for that,

i skupljali sir i išli u sredinu, da nije bilo toga ,

it would essentially just be a list of questions under different topics.

to bi u suštini bila samo lista pitanja pod različitim temama.

Anna: It'd be a quiz.

Luke: It'd just be a quiz.

Anna: To bi bio kviz. Luke: To bi bio samo kviz.

They could have sold it as a book.

Mogli su je prodati kao knjigu.

Anna: Yeah.

Just gone to the pub, gone to a pub quiz.

Anna: Da.

Upravo sam otišla u pab, otišla na kviz u pabu.

Luke: Yeah, exactly yeah.

No, obviously this is the joy of the board game as a thing that there's a

Luke: Da, tačno da.

Ne, očito je ovo radost društvene igre jer postoji

board and you wait your turn, you roll some dice and yeah, you know, the ritual

tabla i čekaš svoj red, baciš kockice i da, znaš, ritual

of a board game is a fantastic thing.

društvene igre je fantastična stvar.

And so yeah, let's just turn a quiz into a board game.

I tako da, hajde da pretvorimo kviz u društvenu igru.

And they've done a very good job.

I uradili su veoma dobar posao.

It's one of the most successful board games that's ever been created.

To je jedna od najuspješnijih društvenih igara koja je ikada stvorena.

Anna: Lots of versions of it.

Anna: Mnogo verzija toga.

I think for me, one of the downfalls is that it does go out of date.

Mislim da je za mene jedna od mana to što zastari.

If you are young, it goes out of date for you quite quickly.

Ako ste mladi, vrlo brzo vam zastari.

So I was quite young when I started playing this, and there were questions

Tako da sam bio prilično mlad kada sam počeo da igram ovo, i bilo je pitanja

about like, politics and things.

o politici i stvarima.

I was a kid.

Bio sam klinac.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I had no idea about, if you had like arts and leisure and it's about movies and

Luke: Da. Anna: Nisam imala pojma o tome, ako volite umjetnost i slobodno vrijeme, a radi se o filmovima i

things, it could be very much of its time and not as relevant or well-known, so...

stvarima, to bi moglo biti dosta svog vremena, a ne toliko relevantno ili poznato, tako da...

Luke: Also quite American-centric as well.

Luke: Također prilično američki takođe.

Some of the early, maybe the first edition.

Neka od ranih, možda i prvog izdanja.

That's the one I think that we've got at my parents' house.

Mislim da ga imamo u kući mojih roditelja.

It's always funny playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents that edition

Uvijek je smiješno igrati Trivial Pursuit sa mojim roditeljima u tom izdanju

because there's always a moment where everyone sort of sneers at the game.

jer uvijek postoji trenutak u kojem se svi na neki način podsmjehuju igri.

This is written by an American, you know, like.

Ovo je napisao Amerikanac, znate, kao.

'Cause all the questions are about American public figures and American

Jer sva pitanja su o američkim javnim ličnostima i američkom

this and American that I think.

ovome i američkom što ja mislim.

So it's always quite funny when that, I mean, at some point someone gets it wrong.

Tako da je uvek prilično smešno kada to, mislim, u nekom trenutku neko pogreši.

And there's, this is an American, isn't it who wrote this?

I eto, ovo je Amerikanac, zar nije taj koji je ovo napisao?

Anna: You can always update the cards, just buy a fresh box I guess.

Anna: Uvijek možete ažurirati kartice, samo kupite novu kutiju, pretpostavljam.

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da.

Anna: And just swap them in.

Anna: I samo ih zamijenite.

I'm gonna ask you a few questions now.

Sada ću ti postaviti nekoliko pitanja.

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Are you ready?

Luke: U redu.

Anna: Jeste li spremni?

Luke: Uh, no.

Luke: Uh, ne.

Anna: No?

Luke: But I'll answer them anyway.

Anna: Ne? Luka: Ali svejedno ću im odgovoriti.

Anna: Okay.

Anna: U redu.

So this one is a, what topic is this?

Dakle, ovo je, koja je ovo tema?

It gives you a clue when you know the topic.

To vam daje trag kada znate temu.

So this is a sports and leisure question.

Dakle, ovo je pitanje sporta i slobodnog vremena.

Luke: Sports and leisure.

Luka: Sport i slobodno vrijeme.

Okay.

U redu.

Anna: True or false?

Ana: Tačno ili netačno?

Competitive tickling exists.

Takmičarsko golicanje postoji.

Luke: Competitive tickling.

Luka: Takmičarsko golicanje.

That's when you tickle someone...

To je kad nekoga golicaš...

Anna: Like when you like, rub them with your fingers to make them laugh.

Ana: Kao kad hoćeš, trljaj ga prstima da se nasmije.

Luke: The ribs, under the arms, the soles of the feet,

Luke: Rebra, ispod pazuha, tabani,

competitive tickling, true or false?

takmičarsko golicanje, istina ili laž?

It's, I'm gonna say it's true.

To je, reći ću da je istina.

I think it's true.

Mislim da je to istina.

Anna: You are correct.

Anna: U pravu si.

You get a cheese.

Dobiješ sir.

Luke: Oh, brilliant.

Luke: Oh, briljantno.

Yeah.

Da.

Competitive tickling.

Takmičarsko golicanje.

Yeah.

Da.

Right.

I wonder what the rules are for that, that you...

U redu.

Pitam se koja su pravila za to, da ti...

Anna: Maybe it's that you have to make the other person wet themselves laughing.

Ana: Možda je to da drugu osobu moraš natjerati da se nasmije.

Luke: You get bonus points if, yeah, if they wet themselves.

Luke: Dobijate bonus bodove ako, da, ako se pokvase.

Anna: Yeah.

I'm going to divulge, my dad when I was younger, used to tickle me

Anna: Da. Otkriću, moj tata me je kad sam bio mlađi golicao

until it was just uncomfortable.

dok nije bilo jednostavno.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: He would just tickle me and I'd be like, no, please stop.

Luke: Da. Anna: Samo bi me golicao, a ja bih rekla, ne, molim te prestani.

Please stop.

Please stop.

Molim te, prestani.

Molim te, prestani.

And once he tickled me until I wet myself.

I jednom me je golicao dok se nisam smočio.

Luke: Oh my God.

Luke: O moj Bože.

Really?

Stvarno?

Anna: Yeah.

It was horrendous.

Anna: Da. Bilo je užasno.

I was like, look what you made me do!

Bio sam kao, vidi šta si me naterao da uradim!

He was so good at tickling and I just, I couldn't resist.

Bio je tako dobar u golicanju, a ja jednostavno nisam mogla odoljeti.

It was awful.

Bilo je grozno.

Luke: Yeah.

Well, when you know someone, and you know, that you, you

Luke: Da. Pa, kada poznaješ nekoga, a znaš, da ga ti, znaš

know exactly how to tickle them.

tačno kako da ga zagolicaš.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Then it's very hard not to tickle them, isn't it?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luka: Onda ih je jako teško ne golicati, zar ne?

Yeah.

But you should probably stop before that person has to change

Da. Ali vjerovatno biste trebali prestati prije nego što ta osoba mora promijeniti

their trousers or something.

svoje pantalone ili tako nešto.

Anna: Yeah.

I was a child.

Anna: Da. Bio sam dete.

I mean, it's not like I did this as an adult, you know?

Mislim, nije da sam ovo uradio kao odrasla osoba, znaš?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Ana: Tako da ćemo mi oprostiti za to.

Anna: So we'll forgive me for that one.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: But the next question on my list is a...

Luke: Da. Anna: Ali sljedeće pitanje na mojoj listi je...

Luke: Science and nature.

Luke: Nauka i priroda.

FE is the abbreviation of which element on the periodic table?

FE je skraćenica kog elementa u periodnom sistemu?

Okay.

I did study chemistry at school.

U redu.

Učio sam hemiju u školi.

Anna: Good.

Luke: I think this is one of the only ones I remember along with Au, which is gold.

Ana: Dobro.

Luke: Mislim da je ovo jedan od rijetkih koje pamtim zajedno sa Au, koja je zlatna.

Eh, you!

Eh, ti!

Now there's, there's no joke there, you think about it.

Eto, tu nema šale, razmislite o tome.

But Fe is, is it iron?

Ali Fe jeste, da li je gvožđe?

Anna: That's right.

Anna: Tako je.

Luke: Yes.

Anna: Well done.

Luke: Yes.

Luke: Da.

Ana: Bravo.

Luke: Da. Anna: Ding ding!

Anna: Ding ding!

You get two stars or two cheeses, confused the game.

Dobijate dvije zvjezdice ili dva sira, zbunili ste igru.

Okay, last question 'cause I don't wanna drag this out too much.

U redu, zadnje pitanje jer ne želim ovo previše razvlačiti.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Anna: A and L is arts and literature.

Anna: A i L su umjetnost i književnost.

Luke: Arts and literature.

Luka: Umjetnost i književnost.

Anna: Which classic novel opens with the line "Call me Ishmael."

Anna: Koji klasični roman počinje retkom "Zovi me Ishmael."

Luke: Call me Ishmael.

Luke: Zovi me Ishmael.

I don't know.

Ne znam.

I have no idea.

Nemam pojma.

I should probably guess, but I'm not going to.

Vjerovatno bih trebao nagađati, ali neću.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I don't know who is...what's that?

Anna: U redu.

Luke: Ali ne znam ko je...šta je to?

Anna: Moby Dick.

Ana: Mobi Dik.

Luke: Oh, right.

Luke: Oh, da.

Anna: Have you read it?

Luke: I should have known that.

Ana: Jeste li ga pročitali?

Luke: Trebao sam to znati.

Have you read it?

Jeste li ga pročitali?

Anna: I haven't read it.

Anna: Nisam ga pročitala.

Have you read it?

Luke: No, I haven't read it, but I'd like to read it.

Jeste li ga pročitali?

Luke: Ne, nisam je pročitao, ali bih je volio pročitati.

But I'm put off by the fact that it's exceedingly long.

Ali me odvraća činjenica da je izuzetno dugo.

Anna: Yeah.

Like War and Peace.

Anna: Da. Kao Rat i mir.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Exactly.

Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: Tačno.

Anna: Okay, so I have one question for the listeners at home, so please don't

Anna: U redu, imam jedno pitanje za slušaoce kod kuće, pa molim te nemoj

answer this Luke, you can message me later if you think you know the answer.

odgovarati na ovo Luke, možeš mi poslati poruku kasnije ako misliš da znaš odgovor.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: If you are listening and you are listening or watching on YouTube, then

Anna: Ako slušate i slušate ili gledate na YouTube-u, onda

you can write the answer in the comments.

možete napisati odgovor u komentarima.

The question is, what is the only country to start with the letter O?

Pitanje je koja je jedina država koja počinje slovom O?

Luke: Don't Google it, folks.

Luke: Nemojte guglati, ljudi.

Anna: Yeah, don't cheat.

Anna: Da, nemoj varati.

Luke: Use your brain.

Luke: Koristi svoj mozak.

Anna: Okay, so that's Trivial Pursuit.

Ana: Dobro, to je Trivijalna potera.

So now one of the most played board games in the world, and it's also

Dakle, sada je jedna od najigranijih društvenih igara na svijetu, a ujedno je i

the most owned board or board game in the UK is, what do you think?

društvena ili društvena igra s najviše posjeda u Velikoj Britaniji, što mislite?

Luke: Um.

Luke: Um.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Anna: Like a standard piece of kit in everyone's house?

Anna: Kao standardni komad opreme u svačijoj kući?

Luke: Cluedo.

Luke: Cluedo.

Anna: Oh no, I don't have a Cluedo set here.

Anna: Oh ne, nemam Cluedo set ovdje.

Luke: Oh, okay.

Luke: Oh, ok.

So it's not Cluedo.

Dakle, nije Cluedo.

Well, it, can we go back to the classics like chess?

Pa, može li se vratiti klasici kao što je šah?

Anna: Chess.

Luke: Chess, okay.

Ana: Šah.

Luke: Šah, u redu.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Yeah.

I feel like chess is an ancient game or something.

Luke: Da. Osjećam se kao da je šah drevna igra ili tako nešto.

Anna: It is.

Anna: Jeste. Datira iz šestog šestog veka.

It dates back to the sixth sixth century.

Luke: The sixth century.

Luka: Šesti vek.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Not the sick century where everyone was sick with the plague.

Anna: Da. Luka: Ne bolesno stoljeće u kojem su svi bili bolesni od kuge.

Anna: Well, they probably were quite sick in the sixth century.

Ana: Pa, verovatno su bili prilično bolesni u šestom veku.

Luke: I expect so.

Luke: Očekujem.

But the sixth century.

Ali šesti vek.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So that's 500 to 599 AD.

Anna: Da. Luka: Dakle, to je 500. do 599. godine nove ere.

Anna: I'll trust you on that one.

Anna: Vjerovat ću ti u tome.

Yeah.

Da. Ne bavim se mentalnom matematikom.

I don't do mental maths.

Maths.

Matematika. Luke: Prilično sam siguran da je to tačno.

Luke: I'm pretty sure that's right.

Okay.

It's the dark ages.

U redu. To je mračno doba.

Anna: Yes.

Anna: Da.

It's a very old game, which means that some of the rules and

To je vrlo stara igra, što znači da su neka pravila i

the way the players move on the board is quite bizarre, really.

način na koji se igrači kreću po tabli prilično bizarni, zaista.

Can you remember what all the, you said in the previous episode,

Možete li se sjetiti šta ste sve rekli u prethodnoj epizodi,

our little chat about Monopoly, that you don't really do chess?

našeg malog ćaskanja o Monopolu, da se zapravo ne bavite šahom?

Luke: I love chess.

Luke: Volim šah.

Don't get me wrong.

I love chess.

Nemojte me pogrešno shvatiti.

Volim šah.

I'm fascinated by chess.

Fasciniran sam šahom.

I do play chess sometimes, but it's too, it's a little beyond me.

Ja ponekad igram šah, ali i to je previše, to je malo više od mene.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I know the rules.

Anna: U redu. Luke: Ali ja znam pravila.

So you've got your castles, I call them castles, on the corners.

Dakle, imate svoje dvorce, ja ih zovem dvorcima, na uglovima.

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

Anna: Da. Da.

Are they, they're supposed to be, 'cause I call them castles too.

Jesu li, trebali bi biti, jer ih i ja zovem dvorcima.

But aren't they like rooks?

Ali nisu li oni poput topova?

Are they rooks?

Jesu li oni topovi?

Luke: Rooks.

Rooks.

Yeah.

Luke: Rooks. Rooks.

Da.

That's right.

They should be called rooks, I think.

Tako je.

Mislim da bi ih trebalo zvati topovima.

And they go horizontally and vertically.

I idu horizontalno i okomito.

Anna: Uh-huh.

Anna: Aha.

Luke: Then you've got...

Anna: So straight lines.

Luke: Onda imaš...

Ana: Tako prave linije.

I just think about they go in straight lines.

Razmišljam samo o tome da idu pravim linijama.

Luke: Straight lines.

Exactly.

Luka: Prave linije.

Upravo.

Left, right up, down.

Lijevo, desno gore, dolje.

Anna: But then I guess a diagonal is a straight,

Ana: Ali onda pretpostavljam da je dijagonala pravac,

Luke: Ehh.

Anna: It's straight, it doesn't deviate.

Luke: Eh. Ana: Pravo je, ne odstupa.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

True.

Istinito.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: It's not curved, is it, diagonal?

Anna: Da. Luka: Nije zakrivljeno, zar ne, dijagonalno?

Anna: No.

Luke: Anyway.

Anna: Straight line.

Anna: Ne.

Luke: U svakom slučaju.

Ana: Prava linija.

Luke: Up, down, left, right.

Luka: Gore, dolje, lijevo, desno.

These are the rooks.

Ovo su topovi.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Then, you've got the knights.

Anna: Da.

Luke: Onda, imaš vitezove.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Or horses.

Anna: The little horseys.

Luke: Ili konje. Ana: Mali konjići.

Luke: Yeah, little horses.

Luke: Da, mali konji.

And they do an interesting L shape, which is quite interesting.

I rade zanimljiv L oblik, što je prilično zanimljivo.

They can go forward three and right one or forward three and left one.

Mogu ići tri naprijed i jedan desno ili naprijed tri i jedan lijevo.

Anna: Is it forward three?

Ana: Je li napred tri?

Yeah, it is forward three.

Da, napred je tri.

Luke: It's like, yeah.

Anna: From the one they're on, then two forward from there, right?

Luke: To je kao, da. Anna: Od one na kojoj su, pa dva naprijed odatle, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

They can kind of go in any direction in that pattern, like,

Luke: Da. Oni mogu ići u bilo kom smjeru u tom obrascu, kao,

you know, or they can go right.

znate, ili mogu ići desno.

And then, oh, I just can't!

A onda, oh, jednostavno ne mogu!

L shapes.

L oblici.

Anna: Yeah.

L shape.

Anna: Da. L oblik.

So it's actually two from the square they're on.

Dakle, zapravo su dva sa trga na kojem su.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They can only move two more squares forward.

Luke: Da. Anna: Mogu pomaknuti samo još dva polja naprijed.

Luke: Oh, is it two?

Luke: Oh, jel to dva?

Anna: Yeah.

I don't think it's three.

Anna: Da. Mislim da nisu tri.

Luke: It's not three.

Anna: Because if you are starting your horse, or your knight...

Luke: Nije tri. Ana: Jer ako pokrećeš svog konja, ili svog viteza...

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: You can jump over.

Luka: Da. Ana: Možeš preskočiti.

It's the only player that can jump.

To je jedini igrač koji može skočiti.

Luke: Of course it's two.

Luke: Naravno da su dva.

Yeah.

Anna: So it jumps over the pawn.

Da. Ana: Dakle, preskače pešaka.

We'll come back to those, jump over the pawn and then move across.

Vratit ćemo se na njih, preskočiti pijuna i onda krenuti preko.

Luke: Right.

Anna: So it's only two forward and one across.

Luke: U redu. Ana: Dakle, to su samo dva napred i jedan preko.

Luke: Yeah.

Okay.

Luke: Da. U redu.

And, you know, in any variation of that, that pattern basically, you know?

I, znate, u bilo kojoj varijaciji toga, taj obrazac u osnovi, znate?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Luke: Which is interesting.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Luke: Što je zanimljivo.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. Luka: I onda imate biskupe.

Luke: And then you've got the bishops.

Anna: Oh yes, they're wonky lines.

Anna: O da, to su čudne linije.

Luke: They go in diagonal...

Luke: Idu dijagonalno...

Anna: Not wonky lines!

Luke: Diagonal lines that you got one on the white squares,

Ana: Ne vijugave linije!

Luka: Dijagonalne linije koje imate jednu na bijelim kvadratima,

one on the black squares.

jednu na crnim kvadratima.

And they can command the diagonal lines, as it were.

I mogu komandovati dijagonalnim linijama, takoreći.

Anna: Axis.

Anna: Axis.

Luke: Axes.

Luka: Sekire.

Yeah.

And then you've got the queen and the king.

Da.

A onda imate kraljicu i kralja.

The queen is the boss of the game.

Kraljica je šef igre.

Anna: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

Ana: Da, neverovatno je, zar ne?

Luke: Brilliant.

Yeah.

Luke: Sjajno.

Da.

Anna: She's so strong as a player.

Anna: Ona je tako jaka kao igračica.

But the king...

Ali kralj...

Luke: Fully the strongest player on the board.

Luke: Potpuno najjači igrač na tabli.

But the king is bloody useless in terms of being able to do anything.

Ali kralj je prokleto beskoristan u smislu da može bilo šta učiniti.

All the king does is run away, doesn't he?

Sve što kralj radi je da beži, zar ne?

He will hide.

On će se sakriti.

Anna: Yeah.

Behind all the other players.

Anna: Da. Iza svih ostalih igrača.

Luke: He can take pieces, but it's rare.

Luke: On može uzeti komade, ali to je rijetko.

But the queen is just amazing.

Ali kraljica je prosto neverovatna.

She can go straight lines, diagonal lines.

Može ići ravne, dijagonalne linije.

Anna: She can't do a horse move though.

Ana: Ona ipak ne može da se kreće konjem.

Luke: She can't do a horse...

Luka: Ona ne može konja...

Anna: Or a knight move, a knight move.

Ana: Ili potez viteza, potez viteza.

Luke: Correct.

Luke: Tačno.

She can't do that.

Ona to ne može.

She can't jump like like that.

Ona ne može tako da skače.

Yeah.

And, and the king can only can move in any direction, but only one square at a time.

Da.

I, i kralj se može kretati samo u bilo kojem smjeru, ali samo jedno polje u isto vrijeme.

Anna: Yeah.

Which is exactly the same as...

Anna: Da. Što je potpuno isto kao...

oh no, pawns.

o ne, pijuni.

They can only move one square, but they...

Oni mogu pomjeriti samo jedno polje, ali oni...

Luke: Two squares their first move.

Luka: Dva polja njihov prvi potez.

They can go two.

Mogu ići dva.

Anna: That's right.

Anna: Tako je.

Their first steps.

Njihovi prvi koraci.

But they can't move backwards.

Ali ne mogu da se kreću unazad.

They can only move forwards.

Mogu samo napred.

Luke: They take other pieces by going diagonally.

Luka: Oni uzimaju druge komade tako što idu dijagonalno.

Anna: Diagonally.

Ana: Dijagonalno.

That's right.

Tako je.

Luke: But when they get to the end...

Luke: Ali kada dođu do kraja...

Anna: You can swap them for any player that's been taken off the board.

Ana: Možete ih zamijeniti za bilo kojeg igrača koji je skinut sa ploče.

Luke: Yeah, you can.

Luke: Da, možeš.

So if you've lost your queen, but one little pawn has just like made

Dakle, ako ste izgubili svoju damu, ali jedan mali pijun je nekako stigao

it all the way to the end, somehow.

do kraja.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: All the others have like, wait a minute.

Anna: Da.

Luka: Svi ostali imaju lajk, čekaj malo.

Where's that pawn gone?

Gdje je nestao taj pijun?

Oh, he's got to the end.

Oh, stigao je do kraja.

Anna: Oh no!

Luke: And then you could replace that one with a queen and

Ana: O ne!

Luke: A onda biste tu mogli zamijeniti damom i

suddenly, pow I'm back, bitches!

odjednom, ja sam se vratio, kučke!

Anna: You can have two queens on the board at any one time as well, right?

Anna: Možete imati dvije dame na ploči u bilo kojem trenutku, zar ne?

Luke: Can you?

Anna: So if you, I think if you already have your queen and then you

Luke: Možeš li?

Ana: Dakle, ako ti, mislim da ako već imaš svoju damu i onda dobiješ

get a pawn to the other end maybe.

pešaka na drugi kraj možda.

This is a bad rule that I've been playing.

Ovo je loše pravilo koje sam igrao.

Luke: People listening do know more about chess than us.

Luke: Ljudi koji slušaju znaju više o šahu od nas.

This is just Luke and Anna talk about a game they don't really understand.

Ovo samo Luke i Anna pričaju o igri koju zapravo ne razumiju.

Anna: Well, I taught myself chess as a young child from a book that

Ana: Pa, naučila sam se šah kao mala iz knjige koja

was also pretty old, and I wasn't very good at reading at the time.

je takođe bila prilično stara, i tada nisam bila baš dobra u čitanju.

So, you know, I'm probably making some rules up as I go.

Dakle, znate, vjerovatno izmišljam neka pravila dok idem.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: But yeah, chess is one of those games that if you understand it,

Anna: Ali da, šah je jedna od onih igara koju, ako je razumiješ,

and if you've got the kind of mind that can remember strategies and you

i ako imaš vrstu uma koji može pamtiti strategije i

can think several moves ahead, then it could be over really quickly.

možeš razmišljati nekoliko poteza unaprijed, onda bi to moglo biti gotovo vrlo brzo.

And people play speed chess, don't they?

A ljudi igraju brzi šah, zar ne?

Where they're just like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.

Tamo gdje su samo kao, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They're hitting the clock and moving their piece and it's just done.

Luke: Da. Anna: Oni udaraju na sat i pomjeraju svoju figuru i to je upravo gotovo.

Whereas when I play chess, I often get to the point where there's just

Dok kada igram šah, često dođem do tačke u kojoj

two pieces left a player, a piece per player, and you're just constantly

igraču preostaju samo dvije figure, figura po igraču, a ti se stalno

moving around the board trying to, and you just can't end the game

krećeš po ploči pokušavajući, i jednostavno ne možeš završiti igru

until you just go, d'you know what?

​​dok ne samo idi, znaš šta?

Luke: Stalemate.

Anna: I give up, I give up.

Luka: Zastoj. Ana: Odustajem, odustajem.

Luke: Yeah.

Where there's just two pieces chasing each other around the board.

Luke: Da.

Gdje postoje samo dvije figure koje se jure jedna za drugom po ploči.

It's completely stupid.

To je potpuno glupo.

But yeah, I mean it's a fascinating game though 'cause of the level of intelligence

Ali da, mislim da je to fascinantna igra zbog nivoa inteligencije

that can be applied to it and these chess grandmasters are absolutely amazing.

koji se može primeniti na nju i ovi šahovski velemajstori su apsolutno neverovatni.

Anna: Yeah, so there's two that I've got in the notes, which is Magnus Carlson.

Anna: Da, tako da imam dvoje koje imam u bilješkama, a to je Magnus Carlson.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And Beth Harmon.

Luke: Da.

Anna: I Beth Harmon.

Now, there was a really interesting drama that was made about Beth Harmon.

Bila je zaista zanimljiva drama koja je snimljena o Beth Harmon.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And that was called The Queen's Gambit.

Luke: Da. Ana: I to se zvalo Kraljičin gambit.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Which is really, even if you are not into chess, if you are interested in

Luke: Da. Anna: Što je zaista, čak i ako se ne bavite šahom, ako vas zanima

chess, it was still a really great drama.

šah, to je ipak bila zaista sjajna drama.

That I recommend to viewers, listeners.

To preporučujem gledaocima, slušaocima.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Anna: Did you watch it?

Luke: Da. Da da.

Ana: Jeste li gledali?

Luke: Yeah, I did watch it.

Luke: Da, gledao sam.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Do you know what gambit means?

Ana: Znate li šta znači gambit?

Luke: Isn't a gambit a sort of a strategy, like a kind of a move that you would

Luke: Nije li gambit neka vrsta strategije, kao neka vrsta poteza koji biste

do, a kind of specific strategic move?

uradili, vrsta specifičnog strateškog poteza?

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

It's like a clever move or a clever opening move that gives you an advantage,

To je poput pametnog poteza ili pametnog uvodnog poteza koji vam daje prednost,

but it's not necessarily seen or deemed to be an advantageous move.

ali to nije nužno viđeno ili smatrano korisnim potezom.

So like giving up your queen or giving up a valuable piece going, oh, you

Kao da se odrekneš svoje dame ili odustaneš od vrednog komada, oh,

just took my queen, how silly of me.

upravo si uzeo moju damu, kako sam glup.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But really you've got something in mind that you're like,

Luke: Mm-hmm. Anna: Ali stvarno imaš nešto na umu da si kao,

their next move, checkmate, pow!

njihov sljedeći potez, mat, pau!

I tricked you.

Prevarila sam te.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: So, yeah.

Ana: Dakle, da.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of obviously kind of mental strategy involved in it too, in

Luke: Da. Da, u to je uključeno i mnogo vrste mentalne strategije, u

the sense of like coming into a game of chess, sitting in front of your opponent.

smislu da uđete u partiju šaha, sjedite ispred svog protivnika.

Your opponent will, a bit like in a game of poker or something.

Vaš protivnik hoće, pomalo kao u igri pokera ili tako nešto.

Anna: Poker face.

Luke: Your opponent will...yeah, use poker face or you, you maybe use your opponent's

Ana: Poker lice.

Luke: Vaš protivnik će...da, koristiti poker face ili vi, možda ćete iskoristiti njegove

first impressions of you against them.

prve impresije o vama protiv njih.

So every now and then YouTube will suggest these chess videos to me.

Tako da će mi YouTube s vremena na vrijeme predložiti ove šahovske videozapise.

Anna: Oh, right.

Luke: And it's, there's a girl, I can't remember her name now, unfortunately,

Anna: Oh, da. Luke: I to je, tu je jedna djevojka, ne mogu se sjetiti njenog imena, nažalost,

but she is sort of in her twenties.

ali je nekako u svojim dvadesetim.

I think both her parents were chess grandmasters.

Mislim da su joj oba roditelja bili šahovski velemajstori.

Anna: Right.

Luke: And so she's fairly like, so she goes to these chess games in the park,

Anna: U redu. Luke: I ona je prilično slična, pa ide na ove šahovske partije u parku,

you know, in like New York or other cities in the States where there are

znate, u New Yorku ili drugim gradovima u Sjedinjenim Državama gdje postoje

these guys who spend their whole day there playing chess with each other.

ovi momci koji tamo provode cijeli dan igrajući šah jedni s drugima.

And they do a lot of like trash talking.

I mnogo vole da pričaju o smeću.

While they're playing the game, these guys are trash talking and sort

Dok igraju igru, ovi momci pričaju gluposti i na neki način

of, you know, bantering and sort of talking up their game quite a lot.

, znate, zezaju se i pomalo pričaju o svojoj igri.

And this girl comes in, she doesn't look like she's gonna be a chess grandmaster.

A ova cura dolazi, ne izgleda kao da će biti šahovski velemajstor.

And so these guys are super confident and they totally underestimate her

I tako su ovi momci super samopouzdani i potpuno je potcjenjuju

and they trash talk her and stuff.

i glupo pričaju o njoj i slično.

And she like gives quite a good trash talk back.

I ona kao da uzvrati prilično dobar govor o smeću.

It's really interesting to watch.

Zaista je zanimljivo gledati.

I don't really, I don't understand what's going on on the board, you can

Ne razumijem, ne razumijem šta se dešava na tabli, možete

see the board on the screen as well.

vidjeti ploču i na ekranu.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't understand it.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Ne razumijem.

I can't work out the moves, but it's interesting just to see the behaviour

Ne mogu da smislim poteze, ali zanimljivo je samo da vidim kako se ponašanje

of these opponents of hers change where they're like giving it...

ovih njenih protivnika menja tamo gde žele da ga daju...

Anna: The realisation.

Ana: Ostvarenje.

Luke: Yeah, they're giving it all this really, really overconfident talk.

Luke: Da, oni sve to govore stvarno, stvarno previše samouvjereno.

And then after about five or six moves, they changed totally.

A onda su se nakon otprilike pet ili šest poteza potpuno promijenili.

And they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be difficult.

I oni su kao, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ovo će, ovo će biti teško.

Oh, this is gonna be difficult.

Oh, ovo će biti teško.

Oh, you don't move on me now.

Oh, ne mrdaj me sada.

You know, all this kind of thing.

Znate, sve te stvari.

And it's just really funny to see the interaction and to see how they deal with

I zaista je smiješno vidjeti interakciju i vidjeti kako se nose sa

the fact that actually she's really good.

činjenicom da je ona stvarno dobra.

And often it's only within about four or five moves that they can work out that

I često samo u roku od četiri ili pet poteza oni mogu shvatiti da je

she's really, she really knows what she's doing and they work it out just when

ona stvarno, ona stvarno zna šta radi i oni to shvate samo kada u

the within a few moves and you think, my God, the way these guys are playing,

roku od nekoliko poteza pomisliš, moj Bože, kako ovi momci igraju ,

they're just like thinking so far ahead.

oni su kao da razmišljaju tako daleko unaprijed.

You know all the possibilities.

Znate sve mogućnosti.

It is like kind of like you have to have a very mathematical mind in a way

To je kao da na neki način morate imati veoma matematički um

to be able to do all these different algorithms and calculations all instantly.

da biste mogli odmah da uradite sve ove različite algoritme i proračune.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Nevjerovatno.

Da.

Anna: So it's like being, what's the term?

Ana: Dakle, to je kao biti, šta je to?

Like being a card shark.

Kao da si kartaška ajkula.

If someone or, there's a term, or like when people come in to play pool and

Ako neko ili, postoji termin, ili kao kada ljudi uđu da igraju bilijar i

they put some money down and say...

stave nešto novca i kažu...

Luke: Hustler.

Luke: Hustler.

Anna: A hustler.

That's it.

Anna: Prevarant.

To je to.

You can hustle people and be like, oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing,

Možete prevariti ljude i biti kao, o da, ne znam stvarno šta radim,

but let's put a hundred pounds on it.

ali hajde da stavimo sto funti na to.

A hundred pounds?

Sto funti?

Yeah, sure.

Da sigurno.

And then you're like, I'm amazing.

A onda si kao, ja sam nevjerovatna.

I'm gonna win.

Ja ću pobijediti.

Luke: Yeah.

Or you lose your first game on purpose and you're like, you

Luke: Da. Ili namjerno izgubiš svoju prvu utakmicu i, znaš

know what, I wanna try again.

šta, želim da pokušam ponovo.

You know, I'm enjoying this.

Znaš, uživam u ovome.

Let's raise the stakes.

Hajde da podignemo ulog.

Let's do it for $500 this time.

Uradimo to za 500 dolara ovaj put.

And they're like, sure, okay.

I oni su kao, naravno, u redu.

If you really want to, you know, maybe I can teach you a thing or two.

Ako stvarno želiš, znaš, možda te mogu naučiti nešto ili dvije.

And then they really raise their game and suddenly they've made

I onda stvarno podignu svoju igru ​​i odjednom su zaradili

loads of money from those people.

gomilu novca od tih ljudi.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Pow!

Talking about money, how much do you think the most expensive

Anna: Pow! Kad smo kod novca, koliko mislite da je najskuplja

chessboard in the world is?

šahovnica na svijetu?

'Cause you can get all sorts of different, like gorgeous chess

Jer možete nabaviti razne vrste, poput prekrasnih šahovskih

boards, but what's the most expensive?

ploča, ali šta je najskuplje?

Luke: The most expensive chess board in the world?

Luka: Najskuplja šahovska tabla na svijetu?

Anna: In dollars, let's do it in dollars.

Ana: U dolarima, uradimo to u dolarima.

Luke: I dunno.

Luke: Ne znam.

I mean, we talked about the most expensive Monopoly board being...

Mislim, razgovarali smo o tome da je najskuplja Monopoly ploča...

Anna: Which was crazy.

Ana: Što je bilo ludo.

Luke: $2 million.

Luke: 2 miliona dolara.

I think the chess board's gonna be more, I'd say it's gonna be $5 million.

Mislim da će šahovska tabla biti više, rekao bih da će biti 5 miliona dolara.

All made of pure diamond,

Sve napravljeno od čistog dijamanta,

Anna: You can double that or just about double it.

Ana: Možete udvostručiti to ili skoro duplo.

$9.8 million is the most expensive.

9,8 miliona dolara je najskuplji.

It's a Jewel Royale chessboard.

To je šahovska tabla Jewel Royale.

And the pieces are obviously quite heavy.

A komadi su očigledno prilično teški.

They're made of pure gold.

Napravljene su od čistog zlata.

So they're not gold plated.

Dakle, nisu pozlaćeni.

Luke: Wow.

Anna: They made a pure gold and encrusted with diamonds and other precious gems.

Luke: Vau. Ana: Napravili su čisto zlato i optočili dijamantima i drugim dragim kamenjem.

Luke: Jesus!

Luka: Isuse!

Anna: And it all, it would probably be like too magnificent to play with.

Anna: I sve to, vjerovatno bi bilo previše veličanstveno za igru.

You just look at it, keep it in a locked cabinet.

Samo ga pogledate, držite ga u zaključanom ormariću.

Luke: It does raise the question, why buy that if you're not even gonna, like,

Luke: Postavlja se pitanje, zašto to kupiti ako čak ni nećeš, kao,

it's an object that's designed to be played and you're just gonna leave it.

to je predmet koji je dizajniran da se igra i jednostavno ćeš ga ostaviti.

Anna: Well, it'd be a statement, wouldn't it?

Ana: Pa, to bi bila izjava, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Don't touch the chessboard.

Ana: Ne diraj šahovsku tablu.

Very good.

I do like to have a nice chessboard.

Veoma dobro.

Volim da imam lepu šahovsku tablu.

I have bought chessboards as gifts for people.

Kupio sam šahovske table kao poklon ljudima.

I think it is something nice to have in the house.

Mislim da je to nešto lijepo imati u kući.

Just, you know, like having a globe.

Samo, znaš, kao da imaš globus.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: In the house, which, you know, opens up to reveal the drink.

Luke: Da. Ana: U kući, koja se, znate, otvara da otkrije piće.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I don't drink very much anymore, but I used to have one of those.

Luke: Da.

Ana: Više ne pijem mnogo, ali sam nekada imala jedno takvo.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Having a nice chessboard.

Luke: Da. Ana: Imati lepu šahovsku tablu.

I think they, these are just nice pieces of, not furniture, but

Mislim da su to samo lijepi komadi, ne namještaj, već

things to have around the house.

stvari koje treba imati po kući.

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno. Da.

Yeah.

Chessboards, they can be very beautiful things indeed.

Šahovske table, one mogu biti veoma lepe stvari.

That's true.

To je istina.

And there's something very satisfying about the objects if

I postoji nešto veoma zadovoljavajuće u vezi sa predmetima ako

they're very nicely made, yeah.

su veoma lepo napravljeni, da.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da. I još jedan klasik, naravno, o kojem smo pričali na vašem podcastu je Monopol.

And another classic, of course, which we talked about on your podcast is Monopoly.

Now, I'm not gonna go deep into this, but this is the kind of game that can

Neću da ulazim duboko u ovo, ali ovo je vrsta igre koja

really bring families together and teach them some really good lessons, but also

zaista može da okupi porodice i nauči ih nekim zaista dobrim lekcijama, ali takođe

has a reputation for tearing families apart and causing horrendous arguments.

ima reputaciju da razdvaja porodice i izaziva užasne svađe.

But there is a really interesting fact about Monopoly that we didn't

Ali postoji zaista zanimljiva činjenica o Monopolu koju nismo

cover in your podcast, so it might be good to touch on now.

pokrili u vašem podcastu, pa bi bilo dobro da je sada dotaknemo.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: In World War II, the Nazis let allied prisoners, prisoners

Ana: U Drugom svjetskom ratu, nacisti su pustili savezničke zatvorenike,

of war, play board games.

ratne zarobljenike, da igraju društvene igre.

Luke: That's nice of them.

Luke: To je lijepo od njih.

Anna: Yeah, it's very nice of them.

Ana: Da, to je jako lijepo od njih.

Luke: How nice of them.

Luke: Kako lijepo od njih.

Anna: So the British government was even allowed to send some of these games

Ana: Dakle, britanskoj vladi je čak bilo dozvoljeno da pošalje neke od ovih igara

to the soldiers who were incarcerated.

vojnicima koji su bili zatvoreni.

So, the government kind of worked with the game producers.

Dakle, vlada je na neki način radila sa proizvođačima igara.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To hide items and like real money within the game.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Da sakrijete predmete i volite pravi novac unutar igre.

So in the stash of paper money, they'd hide real bills.

Tako bi u zalihama papirnog novca sakrili prave novčanice.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Anna: And then rather than the kind of the tokens, the pieces that you'd

Anna: I onda, umjesto vrste žetona, komada

play with, they gave them like little things that they could use to escape,

s kojima bi se igrao, dali su im male stvari koje su mogli koristiti za bijeg,

like, lock picks and things like that.

poput krakova i sličnih stvari.

Luke: Oh my gosh.

Luke: O moj bože.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

And files so they could like file their way out of their chains or whatever,

I fajlove kako bi mogli da se izvuku iz svojih lanaca ili bilo čega,

Luke: Sort of like hidden within the within the box or

Luke: Nešto kao skriveni unutar kutije ili

within the board or something.

unutar ploče ili tako nešto.

Or even the little items themselves could be used to like file away

Ili bi se čak i sami mali predmeti mogli koristiti za uklanjanje

the bars of a jail or something.

rešetki zatvora ili tako nešto.

Anna: It says here, oh compasses.

Ana: Ovdje piše, o kompasi.

Luke: Wow.

Luke: Vau.

And they actually used them to escape.

I zapravo su ih koristili da pobjegnu.

That's, yeah, incredible.

To je, da, nevjerovatno.

Anna: Okay, so I'm gonna move on quickly 'cause I know that

Anna: U redu, nastaviću brzo jer znam da

you are pressed for time.

si u stisci s vremenom.

I love that expression.

Volim taj izraz.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To be pressed for time.

Luke: Mm-hmm. Anna: Da budem pritisnut vremenom.

You are running short on it.

Ponestaje vam toga.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So, some of the more unusual games that I would still call classics because

Luke: Da. Anna: Dakle, neke od neobičnijih igrica koje bih još nazvala klasicima jer

they were a big part of my childhood.

su bile veliki dio mog djetinjstva.

The first is Kerplunk.

Prvi je Kerplunk.

Did you ever play Kerplunk?

Jeste li ikada igrali Kerplunk?

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Yeah.

We had a Kerplunk game at my grandma's house.

Da. Imali smo Kerplunk igru ​​u kući moje bake.

Anna: Yeah, and this is quite unusual.

Anna: Da, i ovo je prilično neobično.

It's not a typical board game, although it is listed as a board game.

To nije tipična društvena igra, iako je navedena kao igra na ploči.

It's like a plastic tube with, and you shove loads of plastic

To je kao plastična cijev s kojom gurate hrpe plastičnih

straws to block the tube.

slamki da blokirate cijev.

And then...

A onda...

Luke: Yeah.

Lots of, yeah...

Luke: Da. Mnogo, da...

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Loads of plastic needles kind of thing stuck inside

Ana: Da. Luke: Gomila plastičnih igala zabodenih u

little holes in the tube.

male rupice u cijevi.

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

Very long ones.

Anna: Da. Da.

Veoma duge.

And they're not sharp, are they?

I nisu oštri, zar ne?

They're child safe.

Oni su sigurni za djecu.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: A onda ti, i oni blokiraju put do dna ove kao cijevi, a

Anna: And then you, and they block the way to the bottom of this like tube, and

then you pour loads of marbles in the top.

onda sipaš gomilu klikera u vrh.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: And then the idea is to remove these kind of straws or needles

Ana: A onda je ideja da se ove vrste slamki ili iglica uklone

without dislodging any of the marbles.

bez pomeranja nijednog klikera.

And at some point you remove a needle and some marbles come crashing down.

I u nekom trenutku izvadite iglu i neki klikeri se sruše.

But that's not the end of the game.

Ali to nije kraj igre.

It's only the end when all the marbles have fallen.

Tek je kraj kada su svi klikeri pali.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So you have to get to the end without having too many marbles.

Luke: Da. Anna: Dakle, morate doći do kraja bez previše klikera.

Luke: If you're the one who lets the last marble fall, you lose.

Luke: Ako si ti taj koji pusti da posljednji kliker padne, gubiš.

Yeah.

Da.

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So it's kind of along the lines of like the Jenga, you

Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: To je nešto poput igre Jenga

know, game that everyone knows.

koju svi znaju.

Jenga.

And also there's another one where you have these sticks with different colours

Jenga.

Takođe postoji još jedan gde imate ove štapove različitih boja

and you let the sticks all fall in a pile and then you have to pick up the sticks

i pustite da svi štapići padnu na gomilu i onda morate da pokupite štapove

without letting the other sticks move.

bez da dozvolite da se drugi štapovi pomeraju.

Anna: Oh, I haven't played that one.

Anna: Oh, nisam igrala tu.

Luke: Yeah, they play it in France quite a lot.

Luke: Da, sviraju ga dosta u Francuskoj.

So you get a bunch of these sticks.

Tako ćete dobiti gomilu ovih štapića.

They've got different colours on them that represent different points.

Imaju različite boje na sebi koje predstavljaju različite tačke.

Anna: Right.

Luke: Some of them are more valuable than others, and you have to very

Anna: U redu. Luka: Neki od njih su vrijedniji od drugih i morate vrlo

carefully take the sticks away from the pile without letting the others move.

pažljivo skidati štapove sa gomile, a da ne pustite druge da se pomaknu.

And it's really interesting.

I zaista je zanimljivo.

You can use other sticks to help you prise them off.

Možete koristiti druge štapiće koji će vam pomoći da ih nagradite.

Anna: Ahh.

Luke: They've got pointed ends, so you can press your finger down on the end and

Anna: Ahh. Luke: Imaju šiljate krajeve, tako da možete pritisnuti prstom na kraj i

it makes the stick lift off the table.

to natjera štap da se podigne sa stola.

But it's not really a pub game because if you've had a couple of drinks, then you're

Ali to zapravo nije pub igra, jer ako ste popili par pića, onda ste

like, oh, let's play the stick game.

kao, oh, hajde da igramo igru ​​štapa.

And then, you know, you've got to be very careful when you play it.

I onda, znate, morate biti veoma oprezni kada ga igrate.

Anna: Is it called Pick Up Sticks?

Anna: Da li se zove Pick Up Sticks?

Luke: I can't remember.

Maybe, maybe, maybe that's the UK version.

Luke: Ne mogu da se setim.

Možda, možda, možda je to verzija za UK.

I dunno, I can't remember what they call it in France now.

Ne znam, ne mogu se sjetiti kako to sada zovu u Francuskoj.

Anna: Well, the being very careful reminds me of one of my most fun games

Anna: Pa, to što sam veoma oprezan podsjeća me na jednu od mojih najzabavnijih igara

of my childhood is the game of Operation.

mog djetinjstva je igra Operacija.

Luke: Oh, God.

Luke: Oh, Bože.

Can't stand it.

Ne mogu to podnijeti.

Anna: What, do you get nervous?

Ana: Šta, jesi li nervozan?

Luke: Just can't stand Operation.

Luke: Jednostavno ne mogu podnijeti operaciju.

Can't do it.

Anna: Why?

Ne mogu to učiniti.

Ana: Zašto?

Luke: It's just horrible.

Luke: To je jednostavno užasno.

Like, I don't know.

Kao, ne znam.

Again, maybe I had a bad experience of playing it with other kids when I

Opet, možda sam imao loše iskustvo kada sam je igrao sa drugom decom kada sam

was young and it was just, you know, one of those times when you're at

bio mali i to je bio samo, znate, jedan od onih trenutaka kada ste u

someone's house and it was horrible.

nečijoj kući i bilo je užasno.

But nah, nah, no.

Ali ne, ne, ne.

Anna: One very fun game that I'm sure you would like is Hungry Hippos.

Anna: Jedna vrlo zabavna igra za koju sam siguran da biste voljeli je Hungry Hippos.

Luke: Hungry Hippos.

Luka: Gladni nilski konji.

Yeah.

Da.

It's fun to an extent.

Do neke mjere je zabavno.

Anna: Well, as much as bashing on a lever.

Ana: Pa, koliko udaranje o polugu.

Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Yeah.

Bang, bang, bang.

Da. Bang, bang, bang.

Get the hippos to eat all of the red balls.

Neka nilski konji pojedu sve crvene kuglice.

If they get yellow balls, that's even better.

Ako dobiju žute lopte, to je još bolje.

Right?

Because there's red balls and a couple of yellow balls in there

zar ne?

Jer tu su i crvene i par žutih loptica

too, which are worth more points.

koje vrijede više bodova.

And dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, that's good for, for me now 10 minutes

I dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, to je dobro za, za mene

maximum is all I can ta ta ta ta.

je sada maksimalno 10 minuta sve što mogu ta ta ta ta.

And then I'm like, ah, you know what, let's, can we just,

A onda sam kao, ah, znaš šta, hajde, možemo li samo,

can we play Monopoly instead?

možemo li umjesto toga igrati Monopoly?

Anna: Yeah, my sons love to play it over and over and over again.

Anna: Da, moji sinovi vole da je igraju iznova i iznova.

But then they also like stashing.

Ali onda vole i skrivanje.

So at one point, my two year old would just start taking the marbles while

Tako bi u jednom trenutku moj dvogodišnjak počeo da uzima klikere dok se

I'm playing with my four year old and putting them in different places.

ja igram sa svojim četvorogodišnjakom i stavljam ih na različita mesta.

Like one in the kitchen.

Kao jedan u kuhinji.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: One inside the crocodile's mouth.

Luke: Da. Ana: Jedan u krokodilovim ustima.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Ana: Jedan u ormaru.

Anna: One in the cupboard.

And I'm just like, where have all the marbles gone?

A ja samo pitam, gdje su nestali svi klikeri?

What's happened?

Šta se desilo?

Luke: Another reason why the game makes me uncomfortable.

Luke: Još jedan razlog zašto mi je zbog igre neugodno.

Just it's quite a messy game.

Samo je to prilično zbrkana igra.

It's just, uh...

Samo, uh...

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Ana: Mm-hmm.

Luke: No, it makes me a bit uncomfortable.

Luke: Ne, malo mi je neprijatno.

Uncomfortable and stressed.

Neudobno i pod stresom.

A bit like Operation.

Pomalo kao Operacija.

Anna: Yes.

Well, one very messy game that you might not have heard of is Monster Mash.

Anna: Da.

Pa, jedna vrlo zbrkana igra za koju možda niste čuli je Monster Mash.

Luke: No, don't know it, no.

Luke: Ne, ne znam, ne.

Anna: So I've never been able to find this, but we played it as kids, and it's

Anna: Nikada nisam uspela da pronađem ovo, ali igrali smo ga kao deca, i

basically you each have a big lump of Play-Doh with a monster's head stuck

u suštini svako od vas ima veliki komad Play-Doh-a sa glavom čudovišta zabodenom

in the top, and that's your piece.

u vrh, i to je vaš komad.

And you just go round a very basic board when you are rolling the dice and

I vi samo obiđete vrlo osnovnu ploču kada bacate kockice i

when you land on someone, you just mash your monster on top of their monster

kada sletite na nekoga, samo zgnječite svoje čudovište na njegovo čudovište

and kind of just take over them, like the Body Snatchers and your monster

i na neki način ga jednostavno preuzmete, poput otmičara tijela i vaše čudovište

becomes twice as big and that person is out because you've just mashed

postaje dvostruko veće velika i ta osoba je napolju jer ste je upravo zgnječili

them, until you become this humongous, four piece, four-bodied monster having

, sve dok ne postanete ovo ogromno čudovište sa četiri dijela i četiri tijela koje je zgnječilo

mashed the other players on the board.

ostale igrače na tabli.

Luke: Okay.

Luke: U redu.

Yeah.

Again, no, not for me because like Play-Doh, of all the kids' toys,

Da. Opet, ne, ne za mene jer poput Play-Doh-a, od svih dječjih igračaka,

Play-Doh is not one of my, I can't, no.

Play-Doh nije jedna od mojih, ne mogu, ne.

Anna: Really?

Luke: Nah, no.

Anna: Stvarno? Luke: Ne, ne.

Anna: Wow.

Luke: It's too messy.

Ana: Vau.

Luke: Previše je neuredno.

And it makes me feel uncomfortable.

I zbog toga se osećam neprijatno.

Anna: It is messy.

Anna: Neuredno je.

It is messy.

Neuredan je.

I love Play-Doh.

Volim Play-Doh.

I think the kids have a really great time with Play-Doh.

Mislim da se djeca zaista dobro zabavljaju uz Play-Doh.

It keeps them quiet.

To ih utišava.

So we always take Play-Doh in the backpack when we're at

Tako da Play-Doh uvijek nosimo u rancu kada smo u

restaurants or going out somewhere.

restoranima ili negdje izlazimo.

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah.

Luke: Da. Da.

Anna: And they just play for hours with the Play-Doh.

Anna: I samo sviraju satima sa Play-Doh-om.

My sister-in-law said, "I hate Play-Doh".

Moja snaja je rekla: "Mrzim Play-Doh".

Just like you.

Baš kao ti.

It's too messy, too messy.

Previše je neuredno, previše neuredno.

But then asked, what would your children like as a present for Christmas?

Ali onda ste upitali šta bi vaša djeca željela za Božić?

And I said, they love Play-Doh.

I rekao sam, oni vole Play-Doh.

How about like a Play-Doh Set?

Šta kažete na Play-Doh set?

Play-Doh do all kinds of sets.

Play-Doh radi sve vrste setova.

So why not maybe like the dentist set where the Play-Doh are the teeth

Pa zašto ne bi možda poput stomatologa u kojem su Play-Doh zubi

and they can practise dental hygiene.

i oni mogu vježbati higijenu zuba.

Oral hygiene.

Oralna higijena.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Or maybe the pizza making set.

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Ana: Ili možda set za pravljenje pizze.

She's like, "Leave it with me.

Ona kaže: „Ostavi to kod mene.

I'll sort it out.

Ja ću to riješiti.

I don't like play by myself.

Ne volim da se igram sam.

It's too messy, but leave it with me."

Previše je neuredan, ali ostavite to kod mene."

Guess what she got?

Pogodi šta je dobila?

Luke: The messiest Play-Doh set she could find.

Luke: Najneuredniji Play-Doh set koji je mogla pronaći.

Anna: It's the hoover Play-Doh set where you have a sprinkler that makes

Anna: To je Hoover Play-Doh set u kojem imate prskalicu koja čini

tiny, teeny weeny, little teeny pieces of Play-Doh and spreads it all over so

male, malene, male male komadiće Play-Doh-a i raširi ga po cijelom dijelu tako

that then you can then hoover it up.

da ga onda možete pokupiti.

But the hoover is, you know, there's no way to take it apart.

Ali hoover je, znate, nema načina da ga rastavite.

And so it's just full of Play-Doh.

I tako je samo pun Play-Doh-a.

So if you want to save any of the Play-Doh and to work again,

Dakle, ako ste želite da spasite bilo koji od Play-Doh-a i da biste ponovo radili,

you have to pick it all out.

morate sve to odabrati.

It's horrific.

Užasno je.

Luke: Oh, stop.

Luke: Oh, prestani. Zvuči kao moja najgora noćna mora.

It sounds like my worst nightmare.

Like a game that's designed to turn Play-Doh into Play-Doh dust.

Kao igra koja je dizajnirana da pretvori Play-Doh u Play -Doh prašina.

Uh oh.

Uh

Oh, no, no.

oh.

Can't.

Oh, ne, ne.

Can't do it.

Anna: Yeah.

Ne mogu

.

Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it to a close 'cause I know

Ne mogu

you are, you've got no more time.

. , nemate više vremena.

Oh yeah.

But, one of the more recent players in the gaming market is one

O da. Ali, jedan od novijih igrača na tržištu igara je onaj

that's caused a lot of hilarity.

koji je izazvao mnogo urnebesa.

And it's Cards against Humanity.

A to je Cards against Humanity.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Nije dječja igra.

Not a kid's game.

So going from Play-Doh and Hungry Hippos and Operation, which are absolutely

Pa idemo od Play-Doh-a i Hungry Hippos i Operation, koje su apsolutno

children's games to Cards Against Humanity, which is definitely one to play

dječje igrice, do Cards Against Humanity, koje se definitivno mogu igrati

when the kids are in bed fast asleep.

kada djeca spavaju u krevetu.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Da. Luke: Da.

Anna: Yeah.

It is a set of cards that are just a lot of them.

Anna: Da. To je set karata kojih je samo puno.

It's just filth, right?

To je samo prljavština, zar ne?

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: It's the kind of thing that will shock and yeah, just...

Luke: Da. Anna: To je vrsta stvari koja će šokirati i da, samo...

Luke: Disgust.

Luke: Gađenje.

Anna: Yeah.

Anna: Da.

Yeah.

Da.

Luke: It's the most shocking and disgusting and offensive

Luke: To je najšokantnija, najodvratnija i uvredljivija

stuff that they could think of.

stvar koju su mogli smisliti.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: That they put into the game.

Anna: Da. Luke: To su oni ubacili u igru.

Yeah.

Da.

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

Anna: Da, da.

I've had a few awkward evenings with people, like neighbours that we're just

Imao sam nekoliko neprijatnih večeri sa ljudima, poput komšija koje samo pokušavamo

trying to get to know, and they're like, should we play Cards Against Humanity?

da upoznamo, a oni su kao, da li da igramo karte protiv čovečnosti?

Yeah, sure.

Da sigurno.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da.

Anna: Awkward.

Anna: Nezgodno.

Very awkward.

Or grandma, um, I saw this new game, apparently it's quite popular.

Veoma nezgodno.

Ili baka, hm, vidio sam ovu novu igricu, očigledno je prilično popularna.

Could we play?

Možemo li igrati?

Luke: It's got a very high rating on Amazon.

Luke: Ima veoma visok rejting na Amazonu.

Anna: Okay, grandma.

Ana: Dobro, bako.

What, what does this word mean?

Šta, šta znači ova riječ?

Maybe don't Google that, grandma.

Možda nemoj to guglati, bako.

Luke: So how does Cards Against Humanity work again?

Luke: Pa kako Cards Against Humanity opet funkcionira?

It's basically, I can't remember now, yeah.

U osnovi je, ne mogu se sada sjetiti, da.

Anna: So it's something like creating sentences.

Anna: Dakle, to je nešto poput stvaranja rečenica.

Luke: Yeah.

Luke: Da. Anna: Morate sastaviti rečenice.

Anna: You have to put sentences together.

It gives you some horrific endings or beginnings of sentences and you

To vam daje neke užasne završetke ili početke rečenica i

have to complete it or something.

morate to dovršiti ili tako nešto.

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

Luke: Da, tako je.

There's a, sort of a, the beginning of a statement, and then you've

Postoji, neka vrsta a, početak izjave, a onda imate

got a number of cards in your hand.

nekoliko karata u ruci.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And you have to choose the card which you think is

Anna: Da. Luke: I morate odabrati kartu za koju mislite da je

best to complete that statement.

najbolja da upotpunite tu izjavu.

And all the cards in your hand are horrible, offensive, rude things.

A sve karte u tvojoj ruci su užasne, uvredljive, nepristojne stvari.

I mean, it's fun when you're with your friends, of course, because you

Mislim, zabavno je kada si sa svojim prijateljima, naravno, jer znaš

know, it's just a thing that makes everyone shocked and it's, you know,

, to je samo stvar koja sve šokira i to je, znaš,

it can be laugh out loud funny.

može biti smiješno na sav glas.

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: You know, when you're with people that you know and you know

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Znaš, kada si s ljudima koje poznaješ i znaš

that there's no danger of offending anyone, it's all just for fun.

da nema opasnosti da uvrijediš nekoga, sve je to samo iz zabave.

And, you know, you can come out with some pretty hilarious and disgusting things.

I, znate, možete izaći sa nekim prilično urnebesnim i odvratnim stvarima.

You pass your card in and the person whose turn it is reads out all of the

Prodajete svoju karticu i osoba koja je na redu čita sve izjave

statements and then everyone decides which one they think is the best.

i onda svako odlučuje koja je najbolja.

Anna: Yes.

Anna: Da.

Luke: And that person...

Anna: The one that's the funniest.

Luke: A ta osoba... Ana: Ona koja je najsmješnija.

Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Luke: Da, da, da, da.

Anna: Yeah.

That one wins.

Anna: Da. Taj pobjeđuje.

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

Luke: Da, tako je.

Anna: Yeah.

So on that note, thank you so much Luke for joining me.

Anna: Da. Dakle, u vezi s tim, puno ti hvala Luke što si mi se pridružio.

Listeners, if you are interested in hearing a little bit more of a deep

Slušaoci, ako ste zainteresovani da čujete malo dublje

dive into Monopoly, then do head to the show notes to go and listen

Zaronite u Monopoly, a zatim idite na bilješke o emisiji da odete i poslušate

to that other episode on Luke's channel, Luke's English Podcast.

onu drugu epizodu na Lukeovom kanalu, Lukeov engleski podcast.

Thank you so much.

Hvala ti puno.

Luke: Thank you, Anna.

Luke: Hvala, Ana.

It's really good fun.

Zaista je dobra zabava.

I'd love to just play a board game now.

Voleo bih sada samo da igram igru ​​na ploči.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But, gotta go, like, go to the supermarket and

Anna: Da.

Luke: Ali, moram ići, kao, otići u supermarket i

then cook dinner, you know?

onda skuvati večeru, znaš?

You know the way it is.

Anna: Yeah.

You got some important life stuff coming up, so, uh...

Znaš kako je.

Anna: Da. Predstoje vam neke važne životne stvari, pa, uh...

Luke: Absolutely.

Luke: Apsolutno.

Anna: You've gotta get your game in order.

Anna: Moraš dovesti svoju igru ​​u red.

Luke: Yeah.

The real game of life.

Luke: Da.

Prava igra života.

Anna: The game of life.

Anna: Igra života.

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Da.

Luke: Da. Anna: Da.

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Okay.

Luke: U redu. Anna: U redu.

Thank you.

Luke: Alright, lovely to speak to you again, Anna.

Hvala ti. Luke: U redu, drago mi je ponovo razgovarati s tobom, Ana.

Anna: And you, take care.

Ana: A ti, čuvaj se.

Luke: You too.

Luke: I tebi.

Anna: And bye.

Anna: I ćao.

Luke: Bye-bye.

Luke: Zbogom.