Games with Luke's English Podcast - Advanced Listening Practice

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English Like A Native


μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ²ˆμ—­λœ μžλ§‰μ€ 기계 λ²ˆμ—­λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

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Anna: You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast, a
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Anna: 당신은 쀑급 및 κ³ κΈ‰ μ˜μ–΄ ν•™μŠ΅μžλ₯Ό μœ„ν•œ λ“£κΈ° λ¦¬μ†ŒμŠ€μΈ English Like A Native 팟캐슀트λ₯Ό λ“£κ³  κ³„μ‹­λ‹ˆλ‹€
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listening resource for intermediate and advanced level English learners.
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Today is a very special episode as we are joined by one of my favourite
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μ˜€λŠ˜μ€ μ œκ°€ κ°€μž₯ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” 게슀트 쀑 ν•œ λͺ…인
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guests, Luke from Luke's English Podcast, which is an incredible podcast
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Luke's English Podcast의 Luke와 ν•¨κ»˜ν•˜λŠ” 맀우 νŠΉλ³„ν•œ μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 이 νŒŸμΊμŠ€νŠΈλŠ”
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that you should all have a listen to.
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μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„ λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ 듀어봐야 ν•  λ†€λΌμš΄ νŒŸμΊμŠ€νŠΈμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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So in today's podcast, we are going to deep dive into a much
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 였늘의 νŒŸμΊμŠ€νŠΈμ—μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ”
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loved British pastime, board games.
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μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œ 많이 μ‚¬λž‘λ°›λŠ” 였락인 λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μžμ„Ένžˆ μ•Œμ•„λ³Ό κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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It's gonna be fun.
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μž¬λ―Έμžˆμ„ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
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Without further ado, let's roll.
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더 이상 κ³ λ―Όν•˜μ§€ 말고 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ°€μ‘±μ΄λ‚˜ μΉœκ΅¬μ™€ 같이
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What do you do when you are with company, say your family or your friends, and
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일행과 ν•¨κ»˜ μžˆμ„ λ•Œ
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the conversation has begun to dry up and you are feeling a little bit bored?
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λŒ€ν™”κ°€ 건쑰해지기 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜κ³  μ•½κ°„ 지루함을 λŠλ‚„ λ•Œ 무엇을 ν•˜μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
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Well, you may decide to rummage around in the cupboard, to dig out and dust
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κΈ€μŽ„, 당신은
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off a board game to pass the time.
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μ‹œκ°„μ„ 보내기 μœ„ν•΄ μ°¬μž₯을 뒀지고, λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ„ 파고 먼지λ₯Ό ν„ΈκΈ°λ‘œ κ²°μ •ν•  μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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In the UK, dice rolling, card shuffling, and arguing about who's
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μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œλŠ” μ£Όμ‚¬μœ„ ꡴리기, μΉ΄λ“œ μ„žκΈ°, λˆ„κ°€
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cheating is a much loved pastime.
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λΆ€μ •ν–‰μœ„λ₯Ό ν–ˆλŠ”μ§€ λ…ΌμŸν•˜λŠ” 것이 λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λž‘μ„ λ°›λŠ” μ˜€λ½μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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And here for a second time to discuss the ins and outs, the ups and downs of board
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그리고 μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ 두 번째둜 λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ˜ μž₯단점에 λŒ€ν•΄ λ…Όμ˜ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄
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games is Luke from Luke's English Podcast.
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Luke's English Podcast의 Lukeκ°€ λ§ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:12
Welcome back Luke.
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λŒμ•„μ˜¨ κ±Έ ν™˜μ˜ν•΄μš” 루크.
01:13
Luke: Hi Anna.
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루크: μ•ˆλ…• μ• λ‚˜.
01:14
Thanks for having me back.
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λ‹€μ‹œ λ°λ €μ™€μ£Όμ…”μ„œ κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Anna: Oh, thank you for returning.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ•„, λŒμ•„μ™€μ£Όμ…”μ„œ κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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I haven't scared you off that's the important thing.
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λ‚œ 당신을 겁주지 μ•Šμ•˜μ–΄μš” 그게 μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ±°μ£ .
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Luke: No, this is a great topic.
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루크: μ•„λ‹ˆμš”, 이건 정말 쒋은 μ£Όμ œμ˜ˆμš”.
01:22
Yeah, I love board games.
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λ„€, μ €λŠ” λ³΄λ“œκ²Œμž„μ„ μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
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Anna: You do.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
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You have a big love of Monopoly.
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당신은 λͺ¨λ…Έν΄λ¦¬λ₯Ό μ•„μ£Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:26
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
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So we just talked about Monopoly at some length on my show, we did over an hour's
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” λ‚΄ μ‡Όμ—μ„œ λͺ¨λ…Έν΄λ¦¬μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ–΄λŠ 정도 길게 μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν–ˆκ³  , λͺ¨λ…Έν΄λ¦¬μ— λŒ€ν•΄μ„œλ§Œ ν•œ μ‹œκ°„ λ„˜κ²Œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ΄μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
01:34
worth of conversation only about Monopoly.
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Anna: Yeah.
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Who would've thought there was so much to say about the game?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
κ²Œμž„μ— λŒ€ν•΄ ν•  말이 μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ λ§Žλ‹€κ³  λˆ„κ°€ μƒκ°μ΄λ‚˜ ν–ˆμ„κΉŒμš”?
01:39
Luke: Well, yeah.
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루크: κΈ€μŽ„μš”.
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It is actually a fascinating game, as we've just discussed with all of
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 방금
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the different strategies, the sort of statistics, the mathematics, the politics,
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λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ μ „λž΅, 톡계, μˆ˜ν•™, μ •μΉ˜,
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the things it says about society and yeah, all the things we are getting
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μ‚¬νšŒμ— λŒ€ν•΄ λ§ν•˜λŠ” 것, 그리고 μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 잘λͺ» μ•Œκ³  μžˆλŠ” λͺ¨λ“  것에 λŒ€ν•΄ λ…Όμ˜ν•œ κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌ 이것은 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 맀혹적인 κ²Œμž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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wrong, that everyone gets wrong when they play it, and all those other things.
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그듀이 그것을 ν•  λ•Œ 잘λͺ»λœ 것, 그리고 λ‹€λ₯Έ λͺ¨λ“  것.
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Anna: A really important strategy that I think we've taken away from
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Anna: λ‚΄ 생각에
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that particular episode that anyone who's interested in Monopoly should
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Monopoly에 관심이 μžˆλŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄λΌλ©΄ λˆ„κ΅¬λ‚˜
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definitely go and listen to the episode just to learn the strategy, if not to
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02:10
learn lots of fabulous English phrases.
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멋진 μ˜μ–΄ 문ꡬλ₯Ό 많이 배우기 μœ„ν•΄μ„œκ°€ μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ μ „λž΅μ„ 배우기 μœ„ν•΄ κΌ­ κ°€μ„œ μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œλ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄μ•Ό ν•  νŠΉμ • μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œμ—μ„œ λΉΌλ‚Έ 정말 μ€‘μš”ν•œ μ „λž΅μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:12
Luke: Yeah, absolutely.
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루크: 응, 물둠이지.
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Yeah.
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응.
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Anna: I'll put a link in the description so everyone can check that out later.
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Anna: λ‚˜μ€‘μ— λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ 확인할 수 μžˆλ„λ‘ μ„€λͺ…에 링크λ₯Ό μΆ”κ°€ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
02:18
But do you play lots of games?
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그런데 κ²Œμž„μ„ 많이 ν•˜μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
02:20
Do you have a game cupboard in your house?
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집에 κ²Œμž„ μ°¬μž₯이 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
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Luke: Yeah, we do.
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루크: λ„€, κ·Έλ ‡μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:23
So we've got, like the sort of bottom compartment of a cupboard in
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 우리 λ”Έ μΉ¨μ‹€ 에 μžˆλŠ” μ°¬μž₯의 μ•„λž˜μͺ½ 칸에
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my daughter's bedroom has got all the board games stuffed into it.
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λͺ¨λ“  λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ΄ μ±„μ›Œμ Έ μžˆλŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:31
So yeah, we definitely have a games cupboard.
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λ„€, ν™•μ‹€νžˆ κ²Œμž„ μ°¬μž₯이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Back in my childhood home, when I was growing up, in my parents'
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μ–΄λ¦° μ‹œμ ˆμ˜ 집, μ œκ°€ μžλž„ λ•Œ λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜
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house, we had a kind of a wooden box.
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μ§‘μ—λŠ” μΌμ’…μ˜ λ‚˜λ¬΄ μƒμžκ°€ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:39
Anna: Yeah.
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Luke: And we would open up the wooden kind of a chest, and that was full of
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
Luke: 그리고 μš°λ¦¬λŠ” λ‚˜λ¬΄ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μƒμžλ₯Ό μ—΄μ—ˆκ³  κ±°κΈ°μ—λŠ”
02:42
all the different games and things, some of which have survived, including that
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λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ κ²Œμž„κ³Ό λ¬Όκ±΄λ“€λ‘œ 가득 μ°¨ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·Έ 쀑 μΌλΆ€λŠ” κ·Έ
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old monopoly set and various others.
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였래된 독점 μ„ΈνŠΈμ™€ 기타 μ—¬λŸ¬ 가지λ₯Ό ν¬ν•¨ν•˜μ—¬ μ‚΄μ•„ λ‚¨μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:49
So, yeah.
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κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
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Yeah.
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응.
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Anna: So we have a couple of spaces in our house where we keep our games
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Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 우리 μ§‘μ—λŠ” κ²Œμž„μ„ λ³΄κ΄€ν•˜λŠ” 곡간이 λͺ‡ ꡰ데 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:54
because I've, you know, got two young children and it is possibly the same...
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μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ λ‚˜μ—κ²ŒλŠ” 두 λͺ…μ˜ μ–΄λ¦° μžλ…€κ°€ μžˆλŠ”λ° μ•„λ§ˆ 그럴 μˆ˜λ„ 있겠죠...
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you said yours is in your daughter's bedroom.
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λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μžλ…€κ°€ λ”Έμ˜ 침싀에 μžˆλ‹€κ³  λ§μ”€ν•˜μ…¨μ£  .
03:01
I mean, the risk there, 'cause I think your daughter's quite young, the risk
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제 말은, κ±°κΈ°μ—λŠ” μœ„ν—˜μ΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” λ‹Ήμ‹  딸이 κ½€ 어리닀고 μƒκ°ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ—,
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there is that they might take them out when they're exploring one day and you're
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μ–΄λŠ λ‚  딸이 νƒν—˜ 쀑이고 당신이
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not looking, and then you find that there are lots of pieces missing or shoved into
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보지 μ•Šμ„ λ•Œ 딸을 데리고 λ‚˜κ°€μ„œ 쑰각이 많이 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œκ²Œ 될 μœ„ν—˜μ΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λˆ„λ½λ˜κ±°λ‚˜
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lots of different places all mixed up.
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μ—¬λŸ¬ λ‹€λ₯Έ μž₯μ†Œμ— λ°€λ €λ“€μ–΄κ°€λŠ” λͺ¨λ“  것이 λ’€μ„žμ—¬ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:16
So we have been separating our stuff for a while, with the
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ν•œλ™μ•ˆ
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majority of the games accessible in the kind of kiddie's play area.
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λŒ€λΆ€λΆ„μ˜ κ²Œμž„μ„ μ–΄λ¦°μ΄μš© 놀이 κ³΅κ°„μ—μ„œ μ ‘κ·Όν•  수 μžˆλ„λ‘ 뢄리해 μ™”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:23
We have those IKEA cupboards, you know, there's the, I think
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IKEA μ°¬μž₯이 μžˆλŠ”λ° 거기에
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they're called Kallax or something.
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Kallax라고 λΆˆλ¦¬λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
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There's like, everyone has one of these cupboards in the UK if they
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μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œλŠ”
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shop at IKEA for any furniture, they all have these Kallax units.
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IKEAμ—μ„œ μ–΄λ–€ 가ꡬλ₯Ό κ΅¬λ§€ν•˜λ“  λˆ„κ΅¬λ‚˜ 이런 μ°¬μž₯ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό κ°–κ³  있으며, λͺ¨λ‘ Kallax μœ λ‹›μ„ κ°–κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:36
And we've got about five of them around the house.
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그리고 집 주변에 5개 정도 μžˆμ–΄μš” .
03:39
So we just fill one of those with the accessible games that we don't mind
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 아이듀이 λ§ˆμŒλŒ€λ‘œ μž‘λŠ” 것을 신경쓰지 μ•ŠλŠ” μ ‘κ·Ό κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ κ²Œμž„μœΌλ‘œ κ·Έ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό μ±„μ›λ‹ˆλ‹€
03:43
the children just grabbing at will.
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.
03:46
And then we have an inaccessible cupboard that has all the more advanced games,
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그리고
03:53
like the chess sets and things like that.
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체슀 μ„ΈνŠΈ 같은 κ³ κΈ‰ κ²Œμž„μ΄ λͺ¨λ‘ λ“€μ–΄ μžˆλŠ” μ ‘κ·Όν•˜κΈ° μ–΄λ €μš΄ λ²½μž₯도 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:55
Luke: Right.
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
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Anna: And the jigsaw puzzles.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 μ§μ†Œ νΌμ¦λ„μš”.
03:57
I'm a big fan of jigsaws.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 퍼즐의 μ—΄λ ¬ν•œ νŒ¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:00
How about you?
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Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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당신은 μ–΄λ–€κ°€μš”?
루크: μ•„, 응, 응.
04:01
I love a jigsaw, and of course it's very good that you keep the jigsaw puzzles
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λ‚˜λŠ” 쑰각그림을 μ’‹μ•„ν•˜κ³ , 쑰각
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away from the little kids because you cannot let any of those pieces go missing.
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그림을 ν•˜λ‚˜λ„ μžƒμ–΄λ²„λ¦΄ 수 μ—†κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— 쑰각그림 퍼즐을 μ–΄λ¦° 아이듀이 멀리 λ‘λŠ” 것이 맀우 μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Anna: No.
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Luke: Because if you try and do a jigsaw and there's one piece missing, then ah,
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Anna: μ•„λ‹ˆμš”.
Luke: 퍼즐을 λ§žμΆ”λ €κ³  ν–ˆλŠ”λ° ν•œ 쑰각이 빠진닀면 μ•„,
04:17
that's the worst thing in the world.
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그게 μ„Έμƒμ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ λ‚˜μœ μΌμ΄λ‹ˆκΉŒμš”.
04:19
Anna: Yeah, yeah.
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04:19
Luke: A 1000-piece jigsaw has to be complete and if you put all that time into
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 응.
루크: 1000개의 쑰각 퍼즐은 μ™„μ„±λ˜μ–΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ”λ° κ·Έ μ‹œκ°„μ„ λ‹€ νˆ¬μžν–ˆλŠ”λ°
04:26
doing it, and then at the end there's just one missing piece, it really ruins it.
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λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰μ— ν•œ 쑰각만 빠진닀면 정말 λ§κ°€μ§‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:31
But yeah, I do like a jigsaw.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„€, μ €λŠ” 퍼즐을 μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
04:32
They, you know, it forces you to slow down and take the time to just
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό 그듀은 속도λ₯Ό λŠ¦μΆ”κ³ 
04:37
focus on building that picture.
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그림을 κ·Έλ¦¬λŠ” 데 집쀑할 μ‹œκ°„μ„ κ°–κ²Œ λ§Œλ“­λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:39
And there are strategies involved as well in jigsaws.
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그리고 퍼즐에도 μ „λž΅μ΄ κ΄€λ ¨λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:42
Anna: How do you do your jigsaws?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 퍼즐 λ§žμΆ”κΈ°λŠ” μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ ν•˜λ‚˜μš”?
04:43
Luke: So you find all the edge pieces first, obviously.
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루크: 그럼 λ‹Ήμ—°νžˆ λͺ¨λ“  λͺ¨μ„œλ¦¬ 뢀뢄을 λ¨Όμ € μ°ΎμœΌμ„Έμš”.
04:46
Anna: Of course.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 물둠이죠.
04:47
Luke: Corner pieces are vital and then edges.
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Luke: λͺ¨μ„œλ¦¬ 쑰각이 μ€‘μš”ν•˜κ³  κ·Έ λ‹€μŒμ΄ κ°€μž₯μžλ¦¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:52
And then, well, you just do your best from there, don't you really?
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그러면 κ±°κΈ°μ„œλΆ€ν„° μ΅œμ„ μ„ λ‹€ν•˜λŠ” 것뿐이죠, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
04:55
Anna: Do you look at the picture?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 사진 μ’€ λ³΄μ„Έμš”?
04:57
Luke: Oh yeah, of course.
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루크: μ•„, 물둠이죠.
04:58
Anna: Ah, see, the most fun is to spend about 60 seconds, before you
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Anna: μ•„, λ³΄μ„Έμš”. κ°€μž₯ μž¬λ―ΈμžˆλŠ” 것은 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜κΈ° 전에 μ•½ 60초 λ™μ•ˆ
05:04
start, studying the picture, and then you never look at it again.
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그림을 κ³΅λΆ€ν•˜κ³  κ·Έ λ‹€μŒμ—λŠ” λ‹€μ‹œλŠ” 보지 μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:08
Luke: Oh my God.
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루크: λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬.
05:10
But that's too difficult, surely.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그건 λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ–΄λ €μš΄ 일이겠죠.
05:12
Anna: Well, if you...
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음, λ§Œμ•½ 당신이...
05:13
it depends on the jigsaw.
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그것은 퍼즐에 λ‹¬λ €μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:14
We once did a jigsaw of the Rosetta Stone, and actually, I think that's
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ν•œλ•Œ λ‘œμ œνƒ€μŠ€ν†€ 퍼즐을 ν’€μ—ˆλŠ”λ° , 사싀 그게
05:19
the one jigsaw that defeated us.
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우리λ₯Ό νŒ¨λ°°μ‹œν‚¨ μœ μΌν•œ 퍼즐인 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
05:21
We had to first look at the picture and even then we couldn't get it.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” λ¨Όμ € 사진을 보아야 ν–ˆμ§€λ§Œ κ·Έ 후에도 이해할 수 μ—†μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:24
So we ended up putting that one away.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” κ²°κ΅­ κ·Έ 것을 μΉ˜μ›Œλ‘μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:27
But often we will just study the picture initially and then put it
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ μ’…μ’… μš°λ¦¬λŠ” μ²˜μŒμ—λŠ” 그림을 μ—°κ΅¬ν•œ λ‹€μŒ
05:30
away and then try and figure it out without ever looking at the picture.
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치우고 그림을 보지 μ•Šκ³ λ„ μ•Œμ•„λ‚΄λ €κ³  λ…Έλ ₯ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
05:34
It does take a long time.
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μ‹œκ°„μ΄ 였래 κ±Έλ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:36
It will often take maybe a week or two, which now, because we've got
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보톡 1~ 2μ£Όκ°€ 걸릴 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 이제 μš°λ¦¬μ—κ²ŒλŠ”
05:40
the kids, we can't just leave it out on the table 'cause the kids
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아이듀이 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ— ν…Œμ΄λΈ” μœ„μ— κ·Έλƒ₯ λ†”λ‘˜ μˆ˜λŠ” μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ 아이듀은
05:43
will be like, "oh, what's this?
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"μ•„, 이게 뭐야? λ„μ™€μ€„κ²Œ,
05:45
I help, I help."
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λ‚΄κ°€ λ„μ™€μ€„κ²Œ, 돕닀."
05:47
Putting them everywhere.
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μ–΄λ””μ—λ‚˜ λ†“μ•„λ‘μ„Έμš”.
05:49
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
05:50
Anna: But we did just buy one of these mats.
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Anna: 그런데 μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 이 맀트 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό μƒ€μ–΄μš”.
05:53
And, sorry, this is jigsaws.
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그리고 μ£„μ†‘ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. 이것은 νΌμ¦μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:54
This is completely off topic, but anyway, we bought one of these
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이것은 μ™„μ „νžˆ μ£Όμ œμ—μ„œ λ²—μ–΄λ‚œ κ²ƒμ΄μ§€λ§Œ, μ–΄μ¨Œλ“  μš°λ¦¬λŠ”
05:57
mats that you can roll up with a big inflatable like sausage.
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μ†Œμ‹œμ§€μ²˜λŸΌ 큰 νŒ½μ°½μ‹μœΌλ‘œ 말아 올릴 수 μžˆλŠ” 맀트 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό κ΅¬μž…ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:00
You lay the jigsaw out on the mat, and then when you finished for that
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맀트 μœ„μ— 퍼즐을 놓고 ν•΄λ‹Ή
06:06
session, you just roll it very carefully around this inflatable sausage.
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μ„Έμ…˜μ΄ λλ‚˜λ©΄ 이 풍선 μ†Œμ‹œμ§€ μ£Όμœ„λ‘œ 맀우 μ‘°μ‹¬μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ κ΅΄λ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
06:10
And then just tie it off.
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그리고 λ¬Άμ–΄μ£Όμ‹œλ©΄ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:11
And then you can travel with it, take it with you, unroll it somewhere else.
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그런 λ‹€μŒ 여행을 갈 μˆ˜λ„ 있고, 가지고 닀닐 μˆ˜λ„ 있고 , λ‹€λ₯Έ 곳에 펼쳐 놓을 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:16
Luke: Right.
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
06:17
So you're not restricted to just doing the jigsaw in this one location.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ 이 ν•œ μœ„μΉ˜μ—μ„œλ§Œ 퍼즐을 λ§žμΆ”λŠ” κ²ƒμœΌλ‘œ μ œν•œλ˜μ§€λŠ” μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:20
Yeah.
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06:20
Anna: Exactly.
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응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ°”λ‘œ κ·Έκ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
06:21
But for us, it's a protection thing to get it away from the kids.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μš°λ¦¬μ—κ²ŒλŠ” μ•„μ΄λ“€λ‘œλΆ€ν„° 그것을 λ©€λ¦¬ν•˜λŠ” 것이 λ³΄ν˜Έμ±…μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:25
Luke: Very good.
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루크: μ•„μ£Ό μ’‹μ•„μš”.
06:26
Very smart move.
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맀우 μ˜λ¦¬ν•œ μ›€μ§μž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:27
Yeah,
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06:28
Anna: We would never buy jigsaws from a charity shop, as well.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μš°λ¦¬λŠ” μžμ„  κ°€κ²Œμ—μ„œ 퍼즐 쑰각을 μ ˆλŒ€ 사지 μ•Šμ„ κ±°μ˜ˆμš” .
06:32
Like we have a little jigsaw club in my group of friends
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마치 우리 지역 친ꡬ 그룹에 μž‘μ€ 퍼즐 클럽이 μžˆμ–΄μ„œ
06:36
locally and we swap jigsaws.
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퍼즐을 κ΅ν™˜ν•˜λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:39
So we're always on the lookout for good jigsaws in different,
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 항상
06:41
like garden centres and shops.
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κ°€λ“  μ„Όν„°λ‚˜ 상점 λ“± λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ κ³³μ—μ„œ 쒋은 퍼즐을 μ°Ύκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:44
But I would never buy from a charity shop because you can't guarantee if it's a
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ €λŠ” κ²°μ½” μžμ„  κ°€κ²Œμ—μ„œ 사지 μ•Šμ„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ 그것이
06:48
complete jigsaw, and I'm sure the charity shop don't say, "Hey Vera, can you just
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μ™„μ „ν•œ 퍼즐인지 보μž₯ν•  수 μ—†κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그리고 μžμ„  κ°€κ²ŒλŠ” "μ•Ό 베라, κ·Έλƒ₯
06:52
complete the puzzle and make sure it's complete before we put it for sale?"
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퍼즐을 μ™„μ„±ν•˜κ³  κ·Έ 전에 퍼즐이 μ™„μ„±λ˜μ—ˆλŠ”μ§€ 확인해 쀄 수 μžˆλ‹ˆ?"라고 λ§ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ 것이라고 ν™•μ‹ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μš°λ¦¬κ°€ κ·Έκ±Έ 맀물둜 내놨어?"
06:57
But I did break my rule when recently visiting the charity shop to reward my
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 졜근 5일 연속
07:03
boys who had slept through the night for five consecutive nights, got their
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λ°€μž μ„ 자고
07:07
little stars on their star chart, and I said, okay, five stars you can go
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λ³„ν‘œμ— μž‘μ€ 별을 올린 μ•„λ“€λ“€μ—κ²Œ 상을 μ£ΌκΈ° μœ„ν•΄ μžμ„  κ°€κ²Œλ₯Ό λ°©λ¬Έν–ˆμ„ λ•Œ μ €λŠ” κ·œμΉ™μ„ μ–΄κ²ΌμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·Έλ¦¬κ³ λŠ” 별 λ‹€μ„― 개
07:11
to the charity shop and pick anything.
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μžμ„  단체에 가도 λœλ‹€κ³  λ§ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ‡Όν•‘ν•˜κ³  무엇이든 κ³¨λΌλ³΄μ„Έμš”.
07:14
And while we were there, I saw a jigsaw, which was a map of the world, and I
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ κ±°κΈ° μžˆλŠ” λ™μ•ˆ 세계 지도인 퍼즐을 λ³΄μ•˜λŠ”λ° μ§€κΈˆμ€
07:19
thought, it's a little bit old for them at the moment, but wouldn't this be a
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μ’€ λ‚‘μ•˜ μ§€λ§Œ
07:24
great thing to help teach them geography?
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지리λ₯Ό κ°€λ₯΄μΉ˜λŠ” λ°λŠ” 이것이 큰 도움이 λ˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„κΉŒ ν•˜λŠ” 생각이 λ“€μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:27
So we bought it and broke it out with them.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 그것을 μ‚¬μ„œ κ·Έλ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ λ‚˜λˆ„μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:30
We did it on the floor.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” λ°”λ‹₯μ—μ„œ ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
07:32
The hardest jigsaw I think I've ever done.
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μ œκ°€ ν•΄λ³Έ 퍼즐 쀑 κ°€μž₯ μ–΄λ €μš΄ νΌμ¦μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:34
I had to actually look at the picture, because it's not a typical jigsaw shape.
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일반적인 퍼즐 λͺ¨μ–‘이 μ•„λ‹ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 사진을 λ΄μ•Όλ§Œ ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:40
All the pieces are only the shape of the countries.
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λͺ¨λ“  쑰각은 λ‚˜λΌμ˜ λͺ¨μ–‘일 뿐이닀.
07:44
Luke: Ah, I see.
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루크: μ•„, μ•Œκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:45
Anna: And so when you get to like Africa...
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Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 아프리카λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•˜κ²Œ 되면...
07:47
Luke: Yeah.
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Luke: λ„€.
07:48
Anna: And there's all these teeny, tiny little, you know,
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Anna: 그리고 이 μž‘κ³  μ•„μ£Ό μž‘μ€
07:50
countries, all fit together.
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λ‚˜λΌλ“€μ΄ λͺ¨λ‘ μ„œλ‘œ μ–΄μšΈλ €μš”.
07:51
Luke: A lot of them are straight lines as well in Africa, in
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루크:
07:53
the central parts of Africa.
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아프리카 쀑뢀 지역에도 직선이 많이 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
07:55
Yeah.
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07:55
Anna: It was so hard.
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응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„ˆλ¬΄ νž˜λ“€μ—ˆμ–΄.
07:56
So hard.
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ νž˜λ“€μ–΄μš”.
07:57
It is really good.
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정말 μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:58
I mean, it was teaching me a thing or two about where places are.
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λ‚΄ 말은, 그것은 μž₯μ†Œκ°€ 어디에 μžˆλŠ”μ§€μ— κ΄€ν•΄ λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ ν•œλ‘ 가지λ₯Ό κ°€λ₯΄μ³ μ£Όμ—ˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. '
08:01
It makes you realise like, oh, I know where this place is.
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μ•„, μ—¬κΈ°κ°€ μ–΄λ”˜μ§€ μ•Œμ•„μš”'λΌλŠ” 생각이 λ“€κ²Œ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:04
No, I actually don't.
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μ•„λ‹ˆμš”, μ‹€μ œλ‘œλŠ” 그렇지 μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:06
I've got no idea.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μ „ν˜€ λͺ¨λ₯Έλ‹€.
08:07
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
08:08
Yeah.
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08:08
My parents have got the same thing, but for all the counties in...
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응.
우리 λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜λ„ 같은 생각을 κ°–κ³  κ³„μ‹œμ§€ 만, λͺ¨λ“  μΉ΄μš΄ν‹°μ—μ„œ...
08:11
Anna: Right.
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08:11
Luke: In, I think it's only in England, just the English counties.
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Anna: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” μ˜κ΅­μ—λ§Œ μžˆλŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš” . 영ꡭ μΉ΄μš΄ν‹°μ—λ§Œμš”.
08:15
And yeah, that's surprisingly difficult as well because you kind of think
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그리고 λ„€, 그것도 λ†€λžκ²Œλ„ μ–΄λ €μš΄ μΌμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ 당신은
08:18
you know them, but that's very hard.
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그듀을 μ•ˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 그것은 맀우 μ–΄λ ΅μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:20
Anna: I'm terrible at geography.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ €λŠ” 지리학을 잘 λͺ»ν•΄μš”.
08:21
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
08:22
Anna: Absolutely terrible.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 정말 λ”μ°ν•΄μš”.
08:23
So I wouldn't be able to do that.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ ν•  수 μ—†μ—ˆμ„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:24
And the globe one ended up me, just me on the floor.
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그리고 지ꡬ본 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” κ²°κ΅­ λ‚˜μ˜€κ³ , λ°”λ‹₯μ—λŠ” λ‚˜λΏμ΄μ—ˆλ‹€.
08:27
The kids got bored, and so they were off doing their Play-Doh or whatever it was.
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아이듀은 μ§€λ£¨ν•΄μ Έμ„œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš° 같은 것을 ν•˜λŸ¬ λ‚˜κ°”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:32
Luke: Yeah.
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08:32
Anna: And I'm there doing this jigsaw on my own, on the floor and
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루크: 응.
Anna: μ €λŠ” λ°”λ‹₯μ—μ„œ ν˜Όμžμ„œ 퍼즐 λ§žμΆ”κΈ°λ₯Ό ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ—ˆλŠ”λ° λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰
08:35
there were three pieces missing at the end, and I was just devastated.
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에 쑰각 μ„Έ κ°œκ°€ μ—†μ–΄μ Έμ„œ μ™„μ „ λ§μ—°μžμ‹€ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
08:40
But it turned out, They weren't missing, they were under the rug.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ•Œκ³  λ³΄λ‹ˆ 그듀은 μ‹€μ’…λœ 것이 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ κΉ”κ°œ 밑에 μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:43
The boys had helped me by stuffing them under the rug.
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μ†Œλ…„λ“€μ€ μ–‘νƒ„μž 밑에 그듀을 μ±„μ›Œμ„œ λ‚˜λ₯Ό λ„μ™”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:47
Luke: Right, yeah.
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ , κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
08:49
That's the thing with jigsaws, you've gotta watch out for all the pieces.
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그것이 λ°”λ‘œ 퍼즐의 λ¬Έμ œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. λͺ¨λ“  쑰각을 쑰심해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:53
But I do love jigsaws.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ €λŠ” 퍼즐을 μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
08:54
I love doing jigsaws of maps, but I will look at the picture.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 지도 퍼즐 λ§žμΆ”κΈ°λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그림을 μ‚΄νŽ΄λ³΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:57
You know, I don't consider that to be cheating 'cause ultimately if I
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μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, μ €λŠ” 그것이 μ†μž„μˆ˜λΌκ³  μƒκ°ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ²°κ΅­ 사진을
09:01
was doing it without looking at the picture, I would have a horrible time.
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보지 μ•Šκ³  이 일을 ν•œλ‹€λ©΄ λ”μ°ν•œ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 보낼 것이기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:03
So why make life difficult for yourself, you know?
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κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ μ™œ μžμ‹ μ˜ 삢을 μ–΄λ ΅κ²Œ λ§Œλ“œλŠ”κ°€ ?
09:06
Anna: Well, you should try it.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음, ν•œλ²ˆ μ‹œλ„ν•΄ λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
09:07
Luke: I suppose so.
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루크: 그런 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
09:08
Anna: I challenge you.
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09:08
Don't take a really hard picture that's just like clouds or waves.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„μ „ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ΅¬λ¦„μ΄λ‚˜ νŒŒλ„μ²˜λŸΌ
λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ”±λ”±ν•œ 사진을 찍지 λ§ˆμ„Έμš” .
09:13
Luke: Yeah.
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09:13
Anna: Or trees.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ λ‚˜λ¬΄λ„μš”.
09:14
Rose bushes.
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μž₯λ―Έ 덀뢈.
09:15
Just, you know, take something that's a mixture of things that you can figure out.
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μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, 당신이 μ•Œμ•„λ‚Ό 수 μžˆλŠ” 것듀이 ν˜Όν•©λœ 것을 μ„ νƒν•˜μ„Έμš”.
09:18
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
09:19
Anna: You know, I think it's fun.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, λ‚΄ 생각엔 그게 μž¬λ―Έμžˆμ„ 것 κ°™μ•„.
09:20
Luke: Jigsaws with lots and lots of little details are great.
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루크: μž‘μ€ μ„ΈλΆ€ 사항이 많이 ν¬ν•¨λœ 퍼즐은 ν›Œλ₯­ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:23
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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09:23
Luke: Like one of my favourites is the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album cover.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
루크: μ œκ°€ κ°€μž₯ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” 것 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” λΉ„ν‹€μ¦ˆ 페퍼 μƒμ‚¬μ˜ 앨범 μ»€λ²„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:28
Anna: Yeah.
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09:28
Luke: Because every single portion of that picture has got
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: κ·Έ μ‚¬μ§„μ˜ λͺ¨λ“  λΆ€λΆ„μ—λŠ”
09:32
something interesting in it.
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λ­”κ°€ ν₯미둜운 점이 λ‹΄κ²¨μžˆκ±°λ“ μš”.
09:33
Alexa: Someone's at the front door.
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09:33
Anna: Sorry, Alexa is so rude.
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μ•Œλ ‰μ‚¬: λˆ„κ΅°κ°€ ν˜„κ΄€λ¬Έμ— μžˆμ–΄μš”.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ―Έμ•ˆν•΄μš”. μ•Œλ ‰μ‚¬λŠ” λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ¬΄λ‘€ν•΄μš”.
09:36
Luke: You are being interrupted by Alexa.
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루크: μ•Œλ ‰μ‚¬κ°€ λ°©ν•΄λ₯Ό ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ–΄μš”.
09:38
Anna: She always does this.
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μ•„λ‚˜: κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ€ 항상 μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ ν•΄μš”.
09:39
Luke: What's Alexa saying to you?
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루크: μ•Œλ ‰μ‚¬κ°€ λ„ˆν•œν…Œ 뭐라고 ν•˜λŠ” κ±°μ•Ό?
09:40
Anna: Someone's at the front door.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ ν˜„κ΄€λ¬Έμ— μžˆμ–΄μš”.
09:42
Bing bong.
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빙봉.
09:43
Luke: This happened to us last time, Anna.
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루크: μ§€λ‚œλ²ˆμ— 이런 일이 μžˆμ—ˆμ–΄μš”, μ•ˆλ‚˜.
09:45
Anna: It always happens.
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09:45
I've unplugged her.
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μ•„λ‚˜: 그런 일은 항상 μΌμ–΄λ‚©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έλ…€μ˜ ν”ŒλŸ¬κ·Έλ₯Ό λ½‘μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:46
Luke: Alexa is so helpful and yet unhelpful at the same time.
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Luke: AlexaλŠ” 맀우 도움이 λ˜μ§€λ§Œ λ™μ‹œμ— 도움이 λ˜μ§€λ„ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:50
Anna: So, what was I talking about?
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μ•„λ‚˜: 그럼 μ œκ°€ 무슨 말을 ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ—ˆλ‚˜μš”?
09:52
I was doing a podcast when I was talking about how a lot of English words come from
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μ €λŠ” 팟캐슀트λ₯Ό ν•˜λ©΄μ„œ μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ§Žμ€ μ˜μ–΄ 단어가 μ•„λžμ–΄μ—μ„œ μœ λž˜ν–ˆκ±°λ‚˜
09:57
Arabic or have a relationship to Arabic.
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μ•„λžμ–΄μ™€ 관계가 μžˆλŠ”μ§€μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:59
And I was going through the list and one of the words was elixir, an
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λͺ©λ‘μ„ μ‚΄νŽ΄λ³΄λŠ”λ° κ·Έ 단어 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ μ˜μ•½μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그런데
10:04
elixir and she kept coming on going,
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ³„μ†ν•΄μ„œ
10:06
"I'm sorry, I don't know that one right now."
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"λ―Έμ•ˆν•΄μš”. μ§€κΈˆμ€ κ·Έ 단어λ₯Ό λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”."라고 ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:09
Luke: Yeah.
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10:09
Anna: I'm not talking to you!
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ§€κΈˆ λ„ˆν•œν…Œ λ§ν•˜λŠ” 게 μ•„λ‹ˆμ•Ό!
10:12
Luke: I'll be teaching in class in, you know, in English lessons and I say
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루크: μ €λŠ” μ˜μ–΄ μˆ˜μ—… μ‹œκ°„μ— κ°€λ₯΄μΉ  μ˜ˆμ •μΈλ°, '
10:17
something that sounds like Hey, Siri.
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μ•ˆλ…•, Siri'처럼 λ“€λ¦¬λŠ” 말을 ν•΄μš”.
10:21
Oh!
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였!
10:22
Anna: There we go.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λμ–΄μš”.
10:23
Luke: Not talking to you now, doing a podcast.
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루크: μ§€κΈˆμ€ μ–˜κΈ° μ•ˆ ν•˜κ³  팟캐슀트λ₯Ό ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ–΄μš”.
10:26
Siri: Okay.
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μ‹œλ¦¬: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
10:28
Luke: Okay, says Siri.
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Luke: μ’‹μ•„μš”, Siriκ°€ λ§ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
10:30
Anna: Brilliant.
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10:30
Luke: Alright.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν›Œλ₯­ν•΄μš”.
루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
10:31
And I'll say something that sounds like that and, and Siri steps in and
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그런 λ‹€μŒ Siriκ°€ κ°œμž…ν•˜μ—¬
10:34
says, "I'm sorry, I can't find that.
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"μ£„μ†‘ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. 찾을 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:38
Here are some results from the internet", or something like that.
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μΈν„°λ„·μ—μ„œ κ²€μƒ‰ν•œ κ²°κ³Όμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€ "라고 λ§ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:40
It's always a hilarious moment.
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μ–Έμ œλ‚˜ 즐거운 μˆœκ°„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:42
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
10:43
It's so rude.
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10:43
It's so rude.
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ¬΄λ‘€ν•΄μš”.
λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ¬΄λ‘€ν•΄μš”.
10:44
Someone should teach them some manners.
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ κ·Έλ“€μ—κ²Œ λ§€λ„ˆλ₯Ό κ°€λ₯΄μ³ μ£Όμ–΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:47
Okay, so, jigsaws fantastic, but...
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μ’‹μ•„μš”, 퍼즐 λ§žμΆ”κΈ°λŠ” ν™˜μƒμ μ΄μ§€λ§Œ...
10:50
Luke: Yeah.
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10:50
Anna: What's your default, what's your go-to game when you're, say,
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Luke: λ„€.
Anna: κΈ°λ³Έ 섀정은 λ¬΄μ—‡μΈκ°€μš”? 예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄
10:53
with your family or your friends?
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κ°€μ‘±μ΄λ‚˜ μΉœκ΅¬μ™€ ν•¨κ»˜ μžˆμ„ λ•Œ 즐겨 ν•˜λŠ” κ²Œμž„μ€ λ¬΄μ—‡μΈκ°€μš”?
10:55
Luke: Well, obviously Monopoly, as we've said.
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루크: 음, λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ λ§ν–ˆλ“―μ΄ 독점이죠.
10:57
Anna: Yeah.
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10:57
Luke: But other ones, Scrabble is a bit of a favourite, oh it's a tough one.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‹€λ₯Έ 것듀은 Scrabble이 μ’€ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”. μ•„, νž˜λ“  κ±°κ±°λ“ μš”.
11:03
You know.
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μ•Œμž–μ•„.
11:04
Anna: What, Scrabble's a tough one?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 뭐야, μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ΄ νž˜λ“  κ±°μ•Ό?
11:05
Luke: Yeah.
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11:05
Anna: Or the question's tough?
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ 질문이 μ–΄λ €μš΄κ°€μš”?
11:06
Luke: Scrabble is, well, both the question is tough because there are
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Luke: μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ€
11:09
many games I could talk about, but I realise there are only a certain number
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μ œκ°€ 이야기할 수 μžˆλŠ” κ²Œμž„μ΄ 많기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ— 두 가지 질문 λͺ¨λ‘ μ–΄λ ΅μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ
11:13
of minutes that we can do this for.
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 이 μž‘μ—…μ„ ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” μ‹œκ°„μ€ 정해진 μ‹œκ°„(λΆ„)밖에 μ—†λ‹€λŠ” 것을 κΉ¨λ‹¬μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:15
But I mean, you know, we could do an hour on each game.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‚΄ 말은, μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 각 κ²Œμž„λ§ˆλ‹€ ν•œ μ‹œκ°„μ”© ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” λœ»μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:18
Anna: Why is Scrabble tough for you?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ΄ λ‹Ήμ‹ μ—κ²Œ νž˜λ“  μ΄μœ λŠ” λ¬΄μ—‡μΈκ°€μš”?
11:20
Luke: Well, it's just, you know, words innit?
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루크: κΈ€μŽ„, κ·Έλƒ₯ 말이야?
11:21
You know, just like, ahh...
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μžˆμž–μ•„μš”, μ•„...
11:22
Anna: English words?
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Anna: μ˜μ–΄ λ‹¨μ–΄μš”?
11:23
Luke: English words, spelling.
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루크: μ˜μ–΄ 단어, 철자.
11:25
Anna: Yeah.
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11:25
Luke: But it's tough because I'm competing against, probably my mum and dad.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ κ²½μŸμ„ ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— νž˜λ“€μ£ . μ•„λ§ˆ μ—„λ§ˆ, 아빠일 κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
11:30
And my wife, now she is French, but she's so good at Scrabble
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그리고 λ‚΄ μ•„λ‚΄λŠ” 이제 ν”„λž‘μŠ€μΈμΈλ° μ˜μ–΄λ‘œ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ„ λ„ˆλ¬΄ μž˜ν•΄μ„œ
11:33
in English, it's frightening.
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λ¬΄μ„­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:35
Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself when I play against her and, and lose.
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κ·Έλž˜μš”, 그녀와 λŒ€κ²°ν•˜κ³  νŒ¨λ°°ν•˜λ©΄ 제 μžμ‹ μ΄ λ„ˆλ¬΄ λΆ€λ„λŸ½μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:40
I mean, you know, I suppose I shouldn't be, I should just be
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제 말은, 제 생각엔 그러면 μ•ˆ 될 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
11:42
proud of my wife for being so good at Scrabble in a second language.
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제 μ•„λ‚΄κ°€ 제 2μ™Έκ΅­μ–΄λ‘œ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ„ μ•„μ£Ό μž˜ν•΄μ„œ μžλž‘μŠ€λŸ¬μ›Œν•΄μ•Ό ν•  것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
11:46
We were on holiday in Brittany recently, and there was a Scrabble set in the room.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 졜근 λΈŒλ¦¬νŠΈλ‹ˆμ—μ„œ νœ΄κ°€λ₯Ό 보내고 μžˆμ—ˆλŠ”λ° 방에 μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” μ„ΈνŠΈκ°€ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:51
And it was a French Scrabble set.
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그리고 그것은 ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ–΄ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” μ„ΈνŠΈμ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:53
Anna: Ah.
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11:53
Luke: You might think, well, the alphabet's the same, but like the number
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„.
루크: μ•ŒνŒŒλ²³μ€ κ°™λ‹€κ³  생각할 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ§€λ§Œ
11:56
of letters is, you know, the arrangement, the number of each letter is different.
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κΈ€μž μˆ˜μ™€ 배열이 λ‹€λ₯΄λ“―이 각 κΈ€μžμ˜ μˆ˜λ„ λ‹€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:01
And in a French Scrabble set, just so many vowels, just,
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그리고 ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ–΄ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” μ„ΈνŠΈμ—λŠ” λͺ¨μŒμ΄ λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ§Žμ•„μ„œ
12:06
it's just like too many vowels.
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λͺ¨μŒμ΄ λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ§Žμ€ 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:08
'cause you know, in French spelling, they use a lot more vowels.
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μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ–΄ μ² μžμ—μ„œλŠ” 훨씬 더 λ§Žμ€ λͺ¨μŒμ„ μ‚¬μš©ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:11
Anna: Do you have the ones with the, the little, um...
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Anna: μž‘μ€, 음...
12:14
Luke: Accents?
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Luke: μ•‘μ„ΌνŠΈκ°€ μžˆλŠ” 것 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
12:15
No, there are no accents.
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μ•„λ‹ˆμš”, μ•…μ„ΌνŠΈκ°€ μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:17
They don't do accents, 'cause that would be too complicated.
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그듀은 μ•…μ„ΌνŠΈλ₯Ό ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒλ©΄ 그건 λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ³΅μž‘ν•˜κ±°λ“ μš”.
12:19
But no, just, just way more vowels.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ•„λ‹ˆ, 단지 λͺ¨μŒμ΄ 훨씬 더 λ§Žμ„ λΏμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:21
So I'm just like picking out my letters.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ‚˜λŠ” νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό κ³ λ₯΄λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:23
Just like, okay, E O U E.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”, E O U Eμ²˜λŸΌμš”.
12:26
Just O's U's and E's like millions of E's, and O'S and U's.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ O의 U와 EλŠ” 수백만 개의 E, O'S와 U와 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:30
So that was complicated.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 그게 λ³΅μž‘ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
12:31
And of course, you know, we, I was like, oh, there's a Scrabble set here.
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그리고 λ¬Όλ‘ , μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ' μ•„, μ—¬κΈ° μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” μ„ΈνŠΈκ°€ μžˆλ‹€'라고 μƒκ°ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:34
And my wife's like, should we play in English or French?
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그리고 제 μ•„λ‚΄λŠ” ' μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μ˜μ–΄λ‘œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•΄μ•Ό ν• κΉŒμš”, μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ–΄λ‘œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•΄μ•Ό ν• κΉŒμš”?'라고 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:36
And you know, just, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to win in English.
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그리고 μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, μ˜μ–΄λ‘œ 이기기가 μ–΄λ €μšΈ λ•Œκ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:40
Yeah.
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12:40
So there's really no chance of being able to win in French.
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응.
κ·Έλž˜μ„œ ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ–΄λ‘œ μš°μŠΉν•  κ°€λŠ₯성은 정말 μ—†μ–΄μš”.
12:44
But it's still a great game.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ—¬μ „νžˆ ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ κ²Œμž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:45
I do love like trying to find like the, it's not just about
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λ‚˜λŠ”
12:48
finding the long words, but finding clever ways to use little words,
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κΈ΄ 단어λ₯Ό μ°ΎλŠ” κ²ƒλΏλ§Œ μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ μž‘μ€ 단어λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ—¬
12:53
but maximise the extra points.
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μΆ”κ°€ 포인트λ₯Ό κ·ΉλŒ€ν™”ν•˜λŠ” μ˜λ¦¬ν•œ 방법을 μ°ΎλŠ” 것과 같은 것을 μ°ΎλŠ” 것을 μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:55
You know, if someone's put down a word with a Q in it or an X or something
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ Qλ‚˜ X 등이 ν¬ν•¨λœ 단어λ₯Ό μž…λ ₯ν•˜λ©΄
12:59
like that, you can find a way to incorporate that X and get a triple
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ν•΄λ‹Ή Xλ₯Ό ν†΅ν•©ν•˜μ—¬ νŠΈλ¦¬ν”Œ
13:03
and land on a double at the same time.
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κ³Ό 더블을 λ™μ‹œμ— 얻을 수 μžˆλŠ” 방법을 찾을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:05
And then you can get a massive score if you're clever enough.
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그리고 당신이 μΆ©λΆ„νžˆ μ˜λ¦¬ν•˜λ‹€λ©΄ μ—„μ²­λ‚œ 점수λ₯Ό 얻을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:08
Anna: And if you struggle with spelling, 'cause I am really
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Anna: 그리고 μ² μžλ²• λ•Œλ¬Έμ— κ³ μƒν•˜μ‹ λ‹€λ©΄ μ €λŠ”
13:11
not very good at spelling.
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μ² μžλ²•μ„ 잘 λͺ»ν•˜κ±°λ“ μš”.
13:12
I've improved a lot since teaching because I'm always looking at
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항상 보고 λ©”λͺ¨ν•˜κ³ ,
13:17
and writing out notes and looking at words and teaching them.
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단어도 보고 κ°€λ₯΄μΉ˜λ‹ˆκΉŒ κ°€λ₯΄μΉ˜λŠ” 일을 ν•˜κ³  λ‚˜μ„œ μ‹€λ ₯이 많이 λŠ˜μ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
13:21
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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13:21
Anna: But I'm dyslexic, so spelling has always been a bit of a weak point.
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루크: 음-흠.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‚œ λ‚œλ…μ¦μ΄ μžˆμ–΄μ„œ μ² μžλ²•μ΄ 항상 μ’€ μ•½ν•œ 뢀뢄이 μžˆμ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
13:25
And I think I've often hidden behind that as an excuse.
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그리고 ν•‘κ³„λ‘œ κ·Έ 뒀에 μˆ¨μ€ 적도 λ§Žμ•˜λ˜ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
13:28
Oh, I'm dyslexic, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it.
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μ•„, λ‚œ λ‚œλ…μ¦μ΄ μžˆμ–΄μ„œ λ³„λ‘œ κ±±μ •ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
13:31
But as a teacher, you try and hold yourself to account a bit more.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ κ΅μ‚¬λ‘œμ„œ 당신은 μžμ‹ μ„ μ’€ 더 μ±…μž„μ Έμ•Ό ν•œλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:34
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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13:34
Anna: And make sure what you're putting out is good.
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루크: 음-흠.
Anna: 그리고 당신이 λ‚΄λ†“λŠ” 것이 쒋은지 ν™•μΈν•˜μ„Έμš”.
13:36
So I think I've learned a lot with that.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·Έ 일을 ν•˜λ©΄μ„œ 많이 배운 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
13:38
So I think maybe I'll be better at Scrabble now than I used to be.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ•„λ§ˆλ„ μ˜ˆμ „λ³΄λ‹€ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ„ 더 μž˜ν•˜κ²Œ 될 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
13:42
But you can get Junior Scrabble, can't you?
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ Junior Scrabble을 얻을 μˆ˜λŠ” 있죠 , κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
13:44
So if you're an English learner, maybe Scrabble would be a
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λ”°λΌμ„œ 당신이 μ˜μ–΄ ν•™μŠ΅μžλΌλ©΄ μ•„λ§ˆλ„ Scrabble은
13:47
good game for you to play.
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당신이 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•˜κΈ°μ— 쒋은 κ²Œμž„μ΄ 될 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:49
Luke: Sure.
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13:49
Anna: To help with your English.
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루크: 물둠이죠.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ˜μ–΄ 곡뢀λ₯Ό 돕기 μœ„ν•΄μ„œμš”.
13:50
Luke: Absolutely.
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루크: 물둠이죠.
13:51
Anna: But perhaps a Junior Scrabble board initially would be good.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ•„λ§ˆλ„ μ²˜μŒμ—λŠ” μ£Όλ‹ˆμ–΄ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” λ³΄λ“œκ°€ 쒋을 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
13:55
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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루크: 응, 응.
13:56
Absolutely.
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μ „μ μœΌλ‘œ.
13:57
Yeah.
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13:57
All those things.
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응.
κ·Έ λͺ¨λ“  것.
13:58
I mean, board games for learning English, a hundred percent.
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λ‚΄ 말은, μ˜μ–΄ ν•™μŠ΅μ„ μœ„ν•œ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ΄ 100%λΌλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
14:00
Great idea.
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쒋은 μƒκ°μ΄μ—μš”.
14:02
'Cause, you know, it is basically a scenario in which you often have to use
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό 기본적으둜
14:05
language in order to complete the game.
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κ²Œμž„μ„ μ™„λ£Œν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ μ–Έμ–΄λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” κ²½μš°κ°€ μ’…μ’… μžˆλŠ” μ‹œλ‚˜λ¦¬μ˜€μ΄κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:08
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
14:09
Luke: It essentially takes away the need for forced social interaction.
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Luke: 본질적으둜 κ°•μ œμ μΈ μ‚¬νšŒμ  μƒν˜Έμž‘μš©μ˜ ν•„μš”μ„±μ„ μ—†μ• μ€λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:14
It's a great social lubricant, which is exactly what you need to practise English.
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μ΄λŠ” μ˜μ–΄λ₯Ό μ—°μŠ΅ν•˜λŠ” 데 κΌ­ ν•„μš”ν•œ ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ μ‚¬νšŒμ  μœ€ν™œμœ μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:19
You know, you don't have to be like, oh and what we're gonna talk
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, ' μ•„, 그리고 μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μ§€κΈˆ μ–˜κΈ°ν•  λ‚΄μš©μ€ λ‹€ μžˆμ–΄μš”'라고 말할 ν•„μš”λŠ” μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
14:21
about now, you know, it's all there.
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.
14:23
You just have to play the game and you will be encouraged to use language.
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κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•˜κΈ°λ§Œ ν•˜λ©΄ μ–Έμ–΄λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜λ„λ‘ ꢌμž₯λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. 예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄
14:28
Some games involve language like Scrabble, for example, or some others and some games
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일뢀 κ²Œμž„μ—λŠ” Scrabbleκ³Ό 같은 μ–Έμ–΄κ°€ ν¬ν•¨λ˜μ–΄ 있고 , 일뢀 κ²Œμž„μ€
14:33
also just encourage you to use language to achieve the outcome of the game.
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κ²Œμž„ κ²°κ³Όλ₯Ό λ‹¬μ„±ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ μ–Έμ–΄ μ‚¬μš©μ„ ꢌμž₯ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:37
Like for example, if you have to negotiate in Monopoly for something, you know, for
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예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄, λ…μ μ—μ„œ μ–΄λ–€ 것에 λŒ€ν•΄ ν˜‘μƒν•΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λ©΄
14:42
example, that can be really good practice.
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그것은 정말 쒋은 μŠ΅κ΄€μ΄ 될 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:44
So yeah, I should give a shout out to another teacher called Zdenek,
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λ„€, Zdenekμ΄λΌλŠ” 또 λ‹€λ₯Έ μ„ μƒλ‹˜,
14:48
uh, Zdenek Lukas from the Czech Republic, who has been doing a
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μ–΄, 체코 μΆœμ‹ μ˜ Zdenek Lukas μ„ μƒλ‹˜κ»˜ μΈμ‚¬λ“œλ¦¬κ³  μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ . κ·ΈλŠ”
14:52
podcast in English for many years.
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μˆ˜λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ μ˜μ–΄λ‘œ 팟캐슀트λ₯Ό 진행해 μ™”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:54
And he likes to use board games as well.
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그리고 κ·ΈλŠ” λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„λ„ μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:57
He's kind of a huge board game enthusiast, and he has a Discord
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κ·ΈλŠ” μ—„μ²­λ‚œ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„ λ§€λ‹ˆμ•„μ΄κ³ ,
15:02
server called the Achievers Chamber.
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Achievers ChamberλΌλŠ” Discord μ„œλ²„λ₯Ό μš΄μ˜ν•˜κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
15:05
Right.
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15:05
And they do play board games there in English.
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였λ₯Έμͺ½.
그리고 그듀은 κ·Έκ³³μ—μ„œ μ˜μ–΄λ‘œ λ³΄λ“œκ²Œμž„μ„ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
15:08
So he's a good person to go to if you're interested in practising
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·ΈλŠ” λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μœΌλ‘œ μ˜μ–΄λ₯Ό μ—°μŠ΅ν•˜λŠ” 데 관심이 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ 찾아가기에 쒋은 μ‚¬λžŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
15:12
your English with board games.
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.
15:14
Anna: Fantastic.
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15:14
Yeah, and I think having fun while learning is always really important for
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν™˜μƒμ μ΄μ—μš”.
λ„€, λ°°μš°λŠ” λ™μ•ˆ 즐겁게 μ§€λ‚΄λŠ” 것은 항상
15:19
motivation, also your brain, you process things and you know, it helps your memory.
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동기 뢀여와 λ‡Œ, 사물 μ²˜λ¦¬μ— 맀우 μ€‘μš”ν•˜λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. κΈ°μ–΅λ ₯에도 도움이 λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
15:25
If you are enjoying and releasing all those happy hormones.
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κ·Έ λͺ¨λ“  ν–‰λ³΅ν•œ 호λ₯΄λͺ¬μ„ 즐기고 λ°©μΆœν•œλ‹€λ©΄.
15:29
Luke: Yeah.
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15:29
Anna: While you are learning, it, you know, removes all the stress,
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루크: 응.
Anna: ν•™μŠ΅ν•˜λŠ” λ™μ•ˆ κΈ°μ–΅λ ₯에 쒋지 μ•Šμ€ λͺ¨λ“  μŠ€νŠΈλ ˆμŠ€κ°€ μ œκ±°λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€
15:32
which isn't good for memory.
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.
15:34
So, so play some games.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆ κ²Œμž„μ„ μ’€ ν•΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
15:37
Now, one of the great things with Scrabble is getting a Scrabble dictionary and
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이제 Scrabble의 κ°€μž₯ 큰 μž₯점 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” Scrabble 사전을 μ–»κ³ 
15:42
learning some of the weird and bizarre words that you'll throw down on the
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λ³΄λ“œμ— 던질 μ΄μƒν•˜κ³  κΈ°κ΄΄ν•œ 단어λ₯Ό λ°°μš°λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
15:46
board and it's a high scorer and someone will go, "that's not a word!", and
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그러면 높은 점수λ₯Ό λ°›κ³  λˆ„κ΅°κ°€λŠ” "그건 단어가 μ•„λ‹ˆμ•Ό!"라고 말할 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그리고
15:49
you say, "hey, check out the Scrabble dictionary because it is a word."
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당신은 "μ•Ό, μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” 사전을 확인해봐, 그건 λ‹¨μ–΄λ‹ˆκΉŒ"라고 λ§ν•˜μ£ .
15:53
I actually played for my school, funnily enough, terrible speller, but I played in
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μ €λŠ” μ‹€μ œλ‘œ ν•™κ΅μ—μ„œ λ›°μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μž¬λ―Έμžˆκ²Œλ„ μ² μžλ²•λ„ ν˜•νŽΈμ—†μ§€λ§Œ,
15:58
the Scrabble, like leagues at school, and there was always a whole bunch of random
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ν•™κ΅μ˜ 리그처럼 μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” κ²Œμž„μ—μ„œ 뛰기도 ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 항상
16:03
two letter words that I'm like, you would never use this word in a conversation.
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μ œκ°€ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” μž„μ˜μ˜ 두 κΈ€μž 단어가 μž”λœ© μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λŒ€ν™”.
16:06
What even is it?
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그것은 λ¬΄μ—‡μž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
16:07
But there're allowed because they're in the dictionary and one of these words
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 사전에 있고 μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ 단어 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€
16:12
is not even in the official dictionary.
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곡식 사전에도 μ—†κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— ν—ˆμš©λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:15
It's allowed in the Scrabble dictionary, and it's an abbreviation of casual.
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Scrabble 사전에도 ν—ˆμš©λ˜μ–΄ 있으며, μΊμ£Όμ–Όμ˜ μ•½μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:20
It's cazh, spelled C-A-Z-H.
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cazh(C-A-Z-H)μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:24
Luke: C-A-Z-H?
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루크: C-A-Z-H?
16:26
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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16:26
Cazh.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
카즈.
16:27
Luke: Really, cazh?
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루크: μ •λ§μš”, 카즈?
16:28
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
16:29
Luke: Yeah, that Scrabble dictionary is very suspect, isn't it?
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루크: λ„€, κ·Έ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” 사전은 맀우 μ˜μ‹¬μŠ€λŸ½μ£ , κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ? κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ
16:33
Don't you think?
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16:33
Anna: Bit dodgy.
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μƒκ°ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šλ‚˜μš”?
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ’€ λ©μ²­ν•΄μš”.
16:34
Bit dodgy.
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16:34
Luke: Like it's, yeah, like, my parents, when we play Scrabble with them, they
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μ’€ μ΄μƒν•΄μš”.
루크: 예, 저희 λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜λ„ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•  λ•Œλ©΄
16:39
basically ban the Scrabble dictionary.
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기본적으둜 μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” 사전을 κΈˆμ§€ν•˜μ‹­λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:41
Anna: Right.
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16:41
Luke: You know, because otherwise what happens is you just end up digging
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, 그렇지 μ•ŠμœΌλ©΄ κ²°κ΅­
16:44
through the Scrabble dictionary, trying to justify some ridiculous three letter
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μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ” 사전을 뒀지고
16:48
word that contains an X or something.
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X 같은 것이 ν¬ν•¨λœ 말도 μ•ˆλ˜λŠ” μ„Έ κΈ€μž 단어λ₯Ό μ •λ‹Ήν™”ν•˜λ €κ³  ν•˜κ²Œ 되기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:51
Or you know, you come out with Q I.
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μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ Q I을 가지고 λ‚˜μ˜€λ‚˜μš”?
16:54
It's like ah, qi?
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마치 μ•„, κΈ°μš”?
16:55
And so like, everyone's like qi, that's not a word.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ 기와 κ°™μ•„μ„œ 그것은 말이 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:57
Yeah, it is qi.
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응, κΈ°μ•Ό.
16:59
It's pronounced 'key'.
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16:59
It's a Chinese word.
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'ν‚€'라고 λ°œμŒν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
쀑ꡭ어 λ‹¨μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:00
It means energy.
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μ—λ„ˆμ§€λ₯Ό μ˜λ―Έν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:02
Ah, there you go.
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μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”.
17:03
You know.
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μ•Œμž–μ•„.
17:04
Anna: Yeah.
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17:04
Your parents are a lot of fun.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜μ΄ 정말 μž¬λ―ΈμžˆμœΌμ‹œλ„€μš”. 졜근 λŒ€κ΄€μ‹μ„ μœ„ν•΄
17:06
You did an episode with them recently for the coronation?
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κ·Έλ“€κ³Ό μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œλ₯Ό λ§Œλ“€μ—ˆλ‚˜μš” ?
17:09
Luke: Yeah.
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17:09
Anna: Yeah, they are.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
17:11
You can see a lot of your personality and where that's, well, not
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당신은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 성격을 많이 λ³Ό 수 있으며, 그것이
17:15
that your personality came from your parents, you are unique.
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λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 성격이 λΆ€λͺ¨λ‘œλΆ€ν„° 온 것이 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ 당신은 λ…νŠΉν•˜λ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:18
But, um...
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그런데, 음...
17:19
Luke: Yeah, I did it myself.
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Luke: λ„€, μ œκ°€ 직접 ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
17:20
I built it on my own!
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λ‚΄κ°€ 직접 λ§Œλ“€μ—ˆμ–΄μš”!
17:22
Anna: But they are, they're good fun.
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Anna: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 정말 μž¬λ―Έμžˆμ–΄μš”.
17:23
You can tell that they're quite astute and clever.
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당신은 그듀이 맀우 κΈ°λ―Όν•˜κ³  μ˜λ¦¬ν•˜λ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:29
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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루크: 응, 응.
17:30
Yeah, they are pretty smart and clever people.
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λ„€, 그듀은 κ½€ λ˜‘λ˜‘ν•˜κ³  μ˜λ¦¬ν•œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:32
Quite funny.
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κ½€ μž¬λ―ΈμžˆλŠ”.
17:33
Yeah, it's nice.
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응, 쒋은데.
17:35
Yeah.
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17:35
I'm lucky.
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응.
λ‚˜λŠ” 운이 μ’‹λ‹€.
17:36
Lucky to have parents like that and yeah, it's nice to play board games with them.
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그런 λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜μ΄ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 건 ν–‰μš΄μ΄κ³ , κ·Έ λΆ„λ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•  수 μžˆμ–΄μ„œ μ’‹μ•„μš”.
17:40
It's always pretty good fun.
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항상 κ½€ μž¬λ―ΈμžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:42
Although you know, my wife's very competitive and my
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό 제 μ•„λ‚΄λŠ” κ²½μŸμ‹¬μ΄ κ°•ν•˜κ³ 
17:44
dad is competitive, right.
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아버지도 κ²½μŸμ‹¬μ΄ κ°•ν•΄μš”.
17:46
So there's, when the two of them clash heads...
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 두 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ 머리λ₯Ό λ§žλŒ€λ©΄...
17:48
Anna: Oh, they fight do they?
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Anna: μ•„, λ‘˜μ΄ μ‹Έμš°λ‚˜μš”?
17:50
Luke: Well, in a nice way.
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루크: 음, 쒋은 λ°©λ²•μœΌλ‘œμš”.
17:52
Anna: Which side do I take?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ €λŠ” μ–΄λŠ μͺ½μ„ 선택해야 ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
17:53
Obviously always your wife's.
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λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ 항상 λ‹Ήμ‹  μ•„λ‚΄μ˜ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:55
Luke: Yeah, of course.
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루크: 응, 물둠이지.
17:56
But it's always interesting to see how the dynamic switches
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 경쟁이 μ‹œμž‘λ˜λ©΄ 역동적인 λ³€ν™”κ°€ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μΌμ–΄λ‚˜λŠ”μ§€ λ³΄λŠ” 것은 항상 ν₯λ―Έλ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
18:00
when the competition arrives.
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.
18:01
But it's good.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 그것은 μ’‹λ‹€.
18:02
Anna: Yeah.
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18:02
Luke: No, it's great.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 아뇨, μ’‹μ•„μš”.
18:03
Anna: Okay, so there's just two more words I'm gonna mention
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Anna: μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 계속 μ§„ν–‰ν•˜κΈ° 전에 Scrabble에 λŒ€ν•΄ 두 λ‹¨μ–΄λ§Œ 더 μ–ΈκΈ‰ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
18:05
on Scrabble before we move on.
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.
18:06
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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18:06
Anna: And one of them is zax, which is the highest scoring three
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루크: 음-흠.
Anna: 그리고 κ·Έ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ zax인데, 그것은
18:12
letter word that you can have.
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당신이 κ°€μ§ˆ 수 μžˆλŠ” μ„Έ κΈ€μž 단어 쀑 κ°€μž₯ 높은 점수λ₯Ό λ°›λŠ” λ‹¨μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:14
Luke: Z-A-X?
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루크: Z-A-X?
18:16
Anna: Zax, do you know what this is?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: Zax, 이게 뭔지 μ•„μ„Έμš”?
18:18
Luke: Zax?
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루크: 잭슀?
18:19
Mm-hmm.
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18:19
I've no idea what zax is.
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음-흠.
λ‚˜λŠ” Zaxκ°€ 무엇인지 μ „ν˜€ λͺ¨λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:21
No one ever uses the word zax.
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아무도 zaxλΌλŠ” 단어λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:23
I've never read it, heard it.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 그것을 읽은 적도, λ“€μ–΄λ³Έ 적도 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:25
Anna: It would be used in a specific industry.
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Anna: νŠΉμ • 산업에 μ‚¬μš©λ  κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
18:27
So if you work in a specific industry, it's a tool.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ νŠΉμ • μ—…κ³„μ—μ„œ μΌν•œλ‹€λ©΄ 그것은 λ„κ΅¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:30
Luke: Okay.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄. μ €κΈ° μžˆλŠ” Zaxλ₯Ό λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ
18:31
Like can you just pass me that zax over there.
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건넀주싀 수 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
18:33
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
18:34
Luke: It's a tool like that.
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루크: 그런 λ„κ΅¬μ˜ˆμš”.
18:35
Anna: Yeah.
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18:35
Luke: Sorry, pass, pass you what?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: μ£„μ†‘ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. ν†΅κ³Όν•˜μ„Έμš”. 무엇을 μ „λ‹¬ν•˜μ„Έμš”?
18:37
The zax over there.
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μ €κΈ° μžˆλŠ” Zax.
18:38
It's his first day on the job.
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그의 좜근 첫날이닀.
18:39
He doesn't know what a zax is.
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κ·ΈλŠ” Zaxκ°€ 무엇인지 λͺ¨λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:41
Anna: So it's an axe that a slater uses, so it's a specific axe for a
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Anna: 그럼 μŠ¬λ ˆμ΄ν„°κ°€ μ‚¬μš©ν•˜λŠ” 도끼고,
18:46
specific job of putting nails into slate.
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μŠ¬λ ˆμ΄νŠΈμ— λͺ»μ„ λ°•λŠ” νŠΉμ • μž‘μ—…μ„ μœ„ν•œ νŠΉμ • 도끼인 κ±°μ£ .
18:49
Luke: Slate, which is like things that would go on the roof of a house.
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루크: μ„νŒμ€ 집 지뢕에 μ˜¬λΌκ°€λŠ” 것과 λΉ„μŠ·ν•΄μš”.
18:54
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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18:54
Mm-hmm.
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18:54
Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
음-흠.
응.
18:55
Luke: Okay.
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18:55
A zax is a specific hammer for hitting nails into a roof.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
ZaxλŠ” 지뢕에 λͺ»μ„ λ°•λŠ” νŠΉμ • λ§μΉ˜μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:59
Anna: Yeah, I believe so.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€, 그럴 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
19:01
Don't quote me on that.
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그것에 λŒ€ν•΄ λ‚΄ 말을 μΈμš©ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.
19:03
I might have got that wrong.
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μ œκ°€ 잘λͺ» μ•Œμ•˜μ„ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:04
Luke: Yeah, I'll take your word for it.
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루크: λ„€, λ§μ”€λŒ€λ‘œ λ°›μ•„λ“€μ΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:06
Anna: A slater's axe.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μŠ¬λ ˆμ΄ν„°μ˜ λ„λΌμš”.
19:07
Now the other one, quite funny, is the word gangbang.
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또 λ‹€λ₯Έ μ•„μ£Ό μž¬λ―ΈμžˆλŠ” λ‹¨μ–΄λŠ” κ°±λ±…(Gangbang)μ΄λΌλŠ” λ‹¨μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:12
Luke: Oh yeah?
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루크: μ•„ κ·Έλž˜μš”?
19:13
Anna: Oh yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
19:15
Luke: Oh yes, okay.
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루크: μ•„, 응, μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
19:16
Wait, that's quite a long word as well for G A N G...
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잠깐, G A N Gμ—κ²Œλ„ κ½€ κΈ΄ λ‹¨μ–΄λ„€μš”...
19:21
Anna: Four, uh, four?
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Anna: 4, μ–΄, 4?
19:22
Eight!
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19:22
Luke: B A N G, eight.
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μ—¬λŸ!
루크: B A N G, 8.
19:23
So that's, yeah.
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κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”.
19:24
If you've got a word that ends in a G on the board, and you've got
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μΉ νŒμ— G둜 λλ‚˜λŠ” 단어가 있고,
19:28
'angbang' in your hand then, you know...
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손에 'μ•™λ±…'이 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄, μ•Œμž–μ•„μš”...
19:32
Anna: Boom!
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19:32
Luke: Don't waste any time!
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Anna: μΎ…!
루크: μ‹œκ°„ λ‚­λΉ„ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”!
19:34
Anna: Get on with the gangbang!
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: [ __ ]을 μ‹œμž‘ν•΄ λ³΄μ„Έμš”!
19:35
Luke: Yeah, exactly.
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루크: 응, λ°”λ‘œ κ·Έκ±°μ•Ό.
19:37
Anna: So what I've got here is the word was allowed in the second edition of
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Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ œκ°€ 얻은 것은 이 단어가 Scrabble μ‚¬μ „μ˜ 두 번째 νŒμ—μ„œλŠ” ν—ˆμš©λ˜μ—ˆμ§€λ§Œ
19:41
the Scrabble dictionary, but then it got removed from the third edition and
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μ„Έ 번째 νŒμ—μ„œλŠ” μ‚­μ œλ˜μ—ˆλ‹€κ°€ λ„€
19:45
then was reintroduced in the fourth.
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번째 νŒμ—μ„œ λ‹€μ‹œ μ†Œκ°œλ˜μ—ˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:47
Now apparently this is because it changed meaning over the time.
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이제 λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ 이것은 μ‹œκ°„μ΄ 지남에 따라 μ˜λ―Έκ°€ λ°”λ€Œμ—ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:52
So gangbang, it's transitioned its meaning from participating
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ°±λ±…(Gangbang)은 κ°± κ΄€λ ¨ ν™œλ™μ— μ°Έμ—¬ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμ—μ„œ κ·Έ μ˜λ―Έκ°€ μ „ν™˜λœ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
19:58
in gang related activities.
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.
20:01
Luke: Right.
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
20:02
Gangbanging or to be a gangbanger.
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κ°±λ±…μž‰(Gangbanging) λ˜λŠ” κ°±λ±…μ–΄(Gangbanger)κ°€ λ˜λŠ” 것.
20:06
Anna: Yeah.
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20:06
Yes.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
예.
20:07
Yeah.
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20:07
So, me and my gang are gonna go and hang out in the fields
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응.
κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ‚˜μ™€ λ‚΄ μΉœκ΅¬λ“€μ€ λ“€νŒμ— λ‚˜κ°€μ„œ
20:11
and just make daisy chains.
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데이지 체인을 λ§Œλ“€ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
20:13
We're just having a gangbang.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 방금 [ __ ]을 ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ” μ€‘μ΄μ—μš”.
20:14
Luke: Um, I dunno about that.
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루크: 음, 그건 λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”.
20:18
I think it would be more like what, some guys going and
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제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” μ–΄λ–€ λ‚¨μžλ“€μ΄ κ°€μ„œ
20:22
stealing a car or something, no?
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μ°¨λ₯Ό ν›”μΉ˜κ±°λ‚˜ ν•˜λŠ” 것과 더 λΉ„μŠ·ν•  것 κ°™μ•„μš”. κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
20:24
Anna: Maybe.
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20:24
Luke: Or maybe something as innocent as just collecting flowers.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„λ§ˆλ„μš”.
루크: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ κ·Έλƒ₯ 꽃을 λͺ¨μœΌλŠ” κ²ƒλ§ŒνΌ μˆœμˆ˜ν•œ 것일 μˆ˜λ„ 있죠.
20:27
Yeah.
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응.
20:28
Anna: Perhaps.
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20:28
I've never been involved with any gang activities.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„λ§ˆλ„μš”.
λ‚˜λŠ” 갱단 ν™œλ™μ— μ°Έμ—¬ν•œ 적이 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
20:31
So, and some people might be listening, going, what on earth are they...?
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ–΄λ–€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ λ“£κ³  μžˆμ„ μˆ˜λ„ 있고, 갈 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그듀은 λŒ€μ²΄ λ¬΄μ—‡μž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ...?
20:35
Why are they laughing so much?
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μ™œ κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ μ›ƒμ–΄μš”?
20:36
What is going on?
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무슨 일이야? λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ μ•Œκ³  μžˆλŠ” 이 단어
20:38
The like overarching meaning of this word that everyone knows it
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의 κ°€μž₯ μ€‘μš”ν•œ μ˜λ―ΈλŠ”
20:43
for is a bunch of chaps having intimate relations with one woman.
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ν•œ μ—¬μ„±κ³Ό μΉœλ°€ν•œ 관계λ₯Ό λ§Ίκ³  μžˆλŠ” 무리의 μ±•μŠ€λΌλŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
20:50
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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20:50
Anna: And so that's why we're kind of like sniggering and giggling.
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루크: 음-흠.
Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 낄낄거리고 λ‚„λ‚„λŒ€κ³  μžˆλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
20:54
Luke: About sex - lol.
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루크: μ„ΉμŠ€μ— λŒ€ν•΄μ„œμš” - γ…‹γ…‹γ…‹.
20:57
Anna: So yes, initially it was thought of as gang related activities
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Anna: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ . μ²˜μŒμ—λŠ” 갱단과 κ΄€λ ¨λœ ν™œλ™μœΌλ‘œ 생각됐고
21:01
to then something quite naughty.
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λ‚˜μ€‘μ—λŠ” κ½€ μŒλž€ν•œ 일둜 μ—¬κ²¨μ‘ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
21:03
And then it went back to meaning participating in gang related activities.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹€κ°€ 갱단 κ΄€λ ¨ ν™œλ™μ— μ°Έμ—¬ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 의미둜 λŒμ•„κ°”λ‹€.
21:07
I don't know how that happens.
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μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 그런 일이 μΌμ–΄λ‚˜λŠ”μ§€ λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
21:08
Luke: So as the word sort of drifted in and out of acceptability.
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루크: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·Έ 단어가 μˆ˜μš©μ„± μ•ˆνŒŽμœΌλ‘œ ν‘œλ₯˜ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌμš”.
21:13
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
21:14
Luke: The word has become because, 'cause yeah, in Scrabble...
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Luke: κ·Έ 단어가 된 μ΄μœ λŠ”, μ™œλƒλ©΄ 예, Scrabbleμ—μ„œ...
21:16
Anna: It was in and out, in and out.
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Anna: μ•ˆνŒŽμ΄μ—ˆμ£ .
21:17
In and out.
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μ•ˆνŒŽ.
21:19
Luke: Yeah.
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21:19
That's another way of saying it, Anna, yeah.
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루크: 응.
그건 또 λ‹€λ₯Έ ν‘œν˜„μ΄μ—μš”, μ•ˆλ‚˜, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
21:21
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
21:22
Luke: 'Cause in Scrabble, like rude or taboo or swear words are not allowed,
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루크: μ™œλƒλ©΄ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μ—μ„œλŠ” λ¬΄λ‘€ν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ κΈˆκΈ°μ‹œλ˜κ±°λ‚˜ μš•ν•˜λŠ” 말은 ν—ˆμš©λ˜μ§€ μ•ŠκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ΄μ£ .
21:26
which I find completely wrong and disappointing because I mean, you
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μ €λŠ” 그것이 μ™„μ „νžˆ 틀리고 μ‹€λ§μŠ€λŸ½λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
21:32
know, why exclude the swear words?
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μ™œλƒλ©΄ μš•ν•˜λŠ” 말을 μ œμ™Έν•˜λŠ” μ΄μœ λŠ” λ¬΄μ—‡μž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
21:34
Anna: Maybe it's because it's not family friendly.
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Anna: μ•„λ§ˆλ„ κ°€μ‘± μΉœν™”μ μ΄μ§€ μ•ŠκΈ° λ•Œλ¬ΈμΌ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
21:37
Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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루크: μ•„, 응, 응.
21:38
Okay.
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21:38
If you're playing it with your grandma, and you write, you know, you put down
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆμ™€ ν•¨κ»˜ λ†€λ©΄μ„œ [ __ ]을 λ‚΄λ € 놓고 글을 μ“°κ³ 
21:42
gangbang and then, you know, you say, well, it's in the rules, grandma,
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κ·œμΉ™μ— λ”°λ₯΄λ©΄ ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆλŠ”
21:47
you're allowed to use that word.
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κ·Έ 단어λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜λŠ” 것이 ν—ˆμš©λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
21:49
Yeah, I suppose they're just trying to prevent those sort of family, potential
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λ„€, μ•„λ§ˆλ„ 그듀은 λ³΄λ“œμ— κ·Ήλ„λ‘œ λ¬΄λ‘€ν•œ 단어λ₯Ό μ¨μ„œ λ°œμƒν•  수 μžˆλŠ” 그런 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ κ°€μ‘±, 잠재적인 문제λ₯Ό λ°©μ§€ν•˜λ €κ³  ν•˜λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”
21:54
problems that could be caused by writing extremely rude words on a board.
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.
21:59
I mean, it, you know, depends how committed you are to winning
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λ‚΄ 말은, 그것은 당신이 κ²Œμž„μ—μ„œ μŠΉλ¦¬ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ ν—Œμ‹ ν•˜λŠλƒμ— 달렀 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
22:01
the game, doesn't it really?
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. 그렇지 μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
22:02
If you're like, I'm gonna risk it all.
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당신이 κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄, λ‚˜λŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μœ„ν—˜μ„ κ°μˆ˜ν•  κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:04
And I'm gonna, I'm gonna write gangbang.
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그리고 λ‚œ, 갱뱅을 μ“Έ κ±°μ•Ό.
22:08
I don't care what my grandparents think.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μ‘°λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜μ΄ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μƒκ°ν•˜λ“  μƒκ΄€ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:10
I wanna win this game and I'm prepared to defend my choice.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 이 κ²Œμž„μ—μ„œ 이기고 μ‹Άκ³  λ‚΄ 선택을 λ°©μ–΄ν•  μ€€λΉ„κ°€ λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:13
I'll Google it in front of them if I have to.
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ν•„μš”ν•œ 경우 Googleμ—μ„œ κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒ μ•žμ—μ„œ 검색해 λ³΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:18
Anna: And display the trophy with pride.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 μžλž‘μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ νŠΈλ‘œν”Όλ₯Ό μ „μ‹œν•΄ λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
22:21
Luke: Yeah.
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22:21
Anna: Okay.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
22:22
So that's Scrabble.
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이것이 λ°”λ‘œ μŠ€ν¬λž˜λΈ”μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:23
We'll leave that there.
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그건 거기에 λ‘κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:25
Luke: Okay.
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22:25
Yeah.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
응.
22:27
Anna: So some, I think when it comes to board games, you're either a lover
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Anna: λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ— κ΄€ν•΄μ„œλŠ”
22:31
of games that really take strategy and thinking, so they're like strategic
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μ „λž΅κ³Ό 사고가 ν•„μš”ν•œ κ²Œμž„μ„ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” 뢄듀도 κ³„μ‹œκ³ ,
22:36
games that you have to use your brain.
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λ‘λ‡Œλ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” μ „λž΅ κ²Œμž„κ³Όλ„ κ°™λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” 뢄듀도 κ³„μ‹œμ£ .
22:38
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
22:39
Anna: Or they're just a game of chance.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ κ·Έλƒ₯ μš°μ—°μ˜ κ²Œμž„μΌ 뿐이겠죠.
22:41
And I guess with younger children, a lot of their board games tend
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그리고 μ–΄λ¦° μ•„μ΄λ“€μ˜ 경우 λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 μƒλ‹Ήμˆ˜κ°€
22:44
to be just rolling a dice or, you know, picking the right card.
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λ‹¨μˆœνžˆ μ£Όμ‚¬μœ„λ₯Ό κ΅΄λ¦¬κ±°λ‚˜ μ˜¬λ°”λ₯Έ μΉ΄λ“œλ₯Ό κ³ λ₯΄λŠ” κ²½ν–₯이 μžˆλŠ” 것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:48
It's all a game of chance.
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그것은 λͺ¨λ‘ μš°μ—°μ˜ κ²Œμž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:50
For example, Snakes and Ladders, the old classic Snakes and Ladders.
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예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄, 였래된 κ³ μ „ λ±€κ³Ό 사닀리인 λ±€κ³Ό 사닀리(Snakes and Ladders)κ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
22:55
Luke: Snakes and Ladders.
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루크: λ±€κ³Ό 사닀리.
22:56
Yeah.
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응.
22:57
Anna: You just have to get the right numbers and work your way up the board.
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Anna: μ˜¬λ°”λ₯Έ 숫자λ₯Ό μ°Ύμ•„ λ³΄λ“œ μœ„λ‘œ μ˜¬λΌκ°€λ©΄ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:01
And what happens if you land on a ladder?
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사닀리에 μ°©μ§€ν•˜λ©΄ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ˜λ‚˜μš”?
23:04
Luke: You climb up it.
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루크: μ˜¬λΌκ°€μ„Έμš”. ν˜„μ‹€ 세계와 λ§ˆμ°¬κ°€μ§€λ‘œ
23:06
If you land on a snake's head, just like in the real world,
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λ±€μ˜ 머리 μœ„μ— μ°©μ§€ν•˜λ©΄
23:09
you slide all the way down.
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μ•„λž˜λ‘œ 계속 λ―Έλ„λŸ¬μ§‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:11
All the way down to its tail.
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κΌ¬λ¦¬κΉŒμ§€.
23:13
Anna: Yeah.
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23:13
Luke: I mean, yeah.
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23:13
It's not based in, it's not a very realistic game, I suppose.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: λ‚΄ 말은, 응.
기반으둜 삼은 것도 μ•„λ‹ˆκ³  그닀지 ν˜„μ‹€μ μΈ κ²Œμž„λ„ μ•„λ‹Œ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
23:17
Anna: No.
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Anna: μ•„λ‹ˆμš”.
23:18
Luke: You're more likely to get bitten by the snake, I suppose.
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Luke: λ‚΄ 생각에 당신은 λ±€μ—κ²Œ 물릴 ν™•λ₯ μ΄ 더 높은 것 κ°™μ•„μš” .
23:21
Especially if you land on its head.
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특히 머리에 μ°©μ§€ν•˜λŠ” 경우.
23:22
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
23:23
Luke: But anyway, yeah.
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루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ–΄μ¨Œλ“  κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
23:24
In terms of the game, yeah.
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κ²Œμž„ μΈ‘λ©΄μ—μ„œλŠ” κ·Έλ ‡μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 운이 μ’‹μœΌλ©΄
23:26
You climb up the ladder if you land at the bottom of it, if you're lucky enough.
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사닀리 λ°‘λ°”λ‹₯에 떨어지면 사닀리 μœ„λ‘œ μ˜¬λΌκ°‘λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
23:30
And if you land on a snake's head, you slide all the way down to the bottom
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그리고 λ±€μ˜ 머리 μœ„μ— μ°©μ§€ν•˜λ©΄ λ°”λ‹₯κΉŒμ§€ λ―Έλ„λŸ¬μ Έ λ‚΄λ €κ°‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:33
and it's, yeah, the drama, the, ahh no!
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예, λ“œλΌλ§ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ•„, μ•ˆ λΌμš”!
23:37
Slide all the way down!
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μ•„λž˜λ‘œ λκΉŒμ§€ λ°€μ–΄μ£Όμ„Έμš”!
23:38
But yeah, the kids love it because it's pretty simple stuff.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„€, 아이듀은 κ½€ κ°„λ‹¨ν•œ 일이기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ— 그것을 μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:41
Anna: Yeah.
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23:41
Aging up again.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
λ‹€μ‹œ λŠ™μ–΄κ°€λŠ” 쀑.
23:43
One of the things I used to play a lot as a child was Trivial Pursuit.
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μ œκ°€ 어렸을 λ•Œ 많이 λ†€μ•˜λ˜ 것 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ ' μ‚¬μ†Œν•œ 좔ꡬ'μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:46
Did you ever play that?
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그런 κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•΄λ³Έ 적 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
23:47
Luke: Oh, yeah.
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루크: μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
23:48
I love a bit of Trivial Pursuit.
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μ €λŠ” Trivial Pursuitλ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
23:49
Anna: What do you love about it?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ–΄λ–€ 점이 λ§ˆμŒμ— λ“œλ‚˜μš”?
23:51
Luke: I think the trivia more than the pursuit.
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루크: μ €λŠ” μΆ”κ΅¬ν•˜λŠ” 것보닀 ν€΄μ¦ˆκ°€ 더 μ€‘μš”ν•˜λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•΄μš”.
23:54
Anna: Right.
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23:54
Luke: In fact, I'm quite happy sometimes to just get the box of cards and just
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: 사싀, μ €λŠ” 가끔 μΉ΄λ“œ μƒμžλ₯Ό λ°›κ³  κ·Έλƒ₯
23:59
like, just ask me some questions.
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λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ λͺ‡ 가지 μ§ˆλ¬Έμ„ ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒλ§ŒμœΌλ‘œλ„ 맀우 κΈ°μ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
24:01
Let's ask each other questions, you know?
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μ„œλ‘œ μ§ˆλ¬Έν•˜μž, μ•Œμ§€?
24:03
Never mind about these bits of different coloured cheese in a wheel.
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바퀴에 λ“€μ–΄ μžˆλŠ” λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ μƒ‰κΉ”μ˜ 치즈 쑰각은 μ‹ κ²½ 쓰지 λ§ˆμ„Έμš”.
24:07
Like what?
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λ¬΄μ—‡μ²˜λŸΌ?
24:08
Just ask the questions.
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질문만 ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
24:10
Anna: Yeah.
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24:10
That's right.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
μ’‹μ•„μš”.
24:11
I called it a pie in the notes, but you're right, it's a
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λ©”λͺ¨μ—μ„œλŠ” 파이라고 ν–ˆλŠ”λ° , 맞죠.
24:13
wheel and it's cheeses, right?
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바퀴이고 치즈죠?
24:15
Luke: Well, I don't know, 'cause like when you play Trivial Pursuit, people will
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Luke: κΈ€μŽ„μš”, λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ Trivial Pursuitλ₯Ό ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•  λ•Œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€
24:18
just decide to call it a pie or cheese.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ 파이라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λ“  치즈라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λ“  κ²°μ •ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ΄μ£ .
24:22
It's cheese pies.
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μΉ˜μ¦ˆνŒŒμ΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
24:23
Anna: Yeah.
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24:23
Luke: I don't know really.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 잘 λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”.
24:25
That's not written in the rules, is it?
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그건 κ·œμΉ™μ— μ ν˜€ μžˆμ§€ μ•Šμ£ ?
24:27
I dunno.
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24:27
Segments, segments.
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λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”.
μ„Έκ·Έλ¨ΌνŠΈ, μ„Έκ·Έλ¨ΌνŠΈ.
24:29
Anna: It sounds really familiar.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 정말 μ΅μˆ™ν•œ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
24:30
As soon as you said cheese, that really made sense to me.
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당신이 치즈라고 λ§ν•˜μžλ§ˆμž κ·Έ 말이 정말 이해가 λμ–΄μš”.
24:34
I was like, yeah, that's what we used to call it.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 그래, μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 그것을 κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ λΆ€λ₯΄κ³€ ν–ˆμ–΄.
24:35
I couldn't remember.
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기얡이 λ‚˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
24:36
I'm sure that's what it's written as.
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ν™•μ‹€νžˆ κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ 쓰여진 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
24:38
You have a cheese.
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당신은 치즈λ₯Ό 가지고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
24:39
Luke: Because Trivial Pursuit, it's got a kind of air of slight
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Luke: Trivial Pursuit λ•Œλ¬Έμ— μ•½κ°„
24:42
sophistication about it and sort of, oh, we're very clever and sophisticated.
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μ„Έλ ¨λœ λŠλ‚Œμ΄ 듀기도 ν•˜κ³ , μ•„, μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 맀우 μ˜λ¦¬ν•˜κ³  μ •κ΅ν•΄μš”.
24:46
We know things about science and geography, and history
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” κ³Όν•™ , 지리, 역사,
24:50
and literature and the arts.
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λ¬Έν•™, μ˜ˆμˆ μ— κ΄€ν•œ 지식을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
24:52
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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24:52
Luke: I don't think they're referring to those pieces as cheeses.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
루크: λ‚΄ 생각엔 κ·Έ 쑰각듀을 치즈라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ” 것 κ°™μ§€λŠ” μ•Šμ€λ°.
24:55
I think they call them segments.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 그듀이 그것을 μ„Έκ·Έλ¨ΌνŠΈλΌκ³  λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
24:57
Anna: Oh, oh yes.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„, μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
24:58
Luke: I guess so.
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24:58
I would imagine so.
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루크: 그런 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ 상상할 것이닀.
24:59
Anna: That would be sensible.
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μ•„λ‚˜: 그게 ν•©λ¦¬μ μ΄κ² λ„€μš”.
25:01
Yeah.
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25:01
So for those listening, Trivial Pursuit is basically a round board game?
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응.
κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ Trivial PursuitλŠ” 기본적으둜 λ‘₯κ·Ό λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μΈκ°€μš”?
25:07
Well, it has a big circle that you have to get around, and as you keep going around
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κΈ€μŽ„μš”, 그것은 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ λŒμ•„μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” 큰 원을 가지고 있고 , λΉ„μ–΄ μžˆλŠ” μ„Έκ·Έλ¨ΌνŠΈκ°€
25:11
it with your little piece that has loads of segments that are empty, you have
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많이 μžˆλŠ” μž‘μ€ 쑰각으둜 κ³„μ†ν•΄μ„œ κ·Έ μ£Όμœ„λ₯Ό λŒλ©΄μ„œ , μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„
25:16
to fill up your, let's call it a pie.
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은 그것을 μ±„μ›Œμ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그것을 파이라고 λΆ€λ₯΄μž.
25:18
You have to fill up your pie with all these little pieces.
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이 μž‘μ€ μ‘°κ°λ“€λ‘œ 파이λ₯Ό μ±„μ›Œμ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:21
And you get those pieces by landing on different colours,
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그리고 λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ 주제의 λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ 색상을 μ„ νƒν•˜μ—¬ ν•΄λ‹Ή μž‘ν’ˆμ„ 얻을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
25:24
which are different topics.
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.
25:26
So you have things like sports and leisure, geography, arts and
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 슀포츠 와 μ—¬κ°€, 지리, 예술과
25:30
literature, things like that.
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λ¬Έν•™ 같은 것듀이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:32
Luke: Yeah.
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25:32
Anna: So different topics of questions and every time you land on
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루크: 응.
Anna: 질문의 μ£Όμ œκ°€ λ‹€μ–‘ ν•˜κ³  μ •μ‚¬κ°ν˜•μ— 도착할 λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€
25:34
a square, you get asked that question.
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κ·Έ μ§ˆλ¬Έμ„ λ°›κ²Œ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:38
If you can answer it, you get your cheese or your segment or whatever it is.
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당신이 그것에 λŒ€λ‹΅ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ 당신은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μΉ˜μ¦ˆλ‚˜ μ„Έκ·Έλ¨ΌνŠΈ λ˜λŠ” 무엇이든 얻을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:41
You get your piece.
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당신은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μž‘ν’ˆμ„ μ–»μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:42
Luke: Cheese is good.
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루크: μΉ˜μ¦ˆλŠ” λ§›μžˆμ–΄μš”.
25:43
Anna: And when you fill up your entire pie, wheel, then you no
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 파이 전체λ₯Ό μ±„μš°λ©΄
25:49
longer have to keep going around.
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더 이상 계속 λŒμ•„λ‹€λ‹ ν•„μš”κ°€ μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:51
You can move up the middle and it's the first person to then get, and
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μ€‘μ•™μœΌλ‘œ 올라갈 수 있으며, κ°€μž₯ λ¨Όμ € κ°€μ Έμ˜€λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ 되며,
25:54
you have to roll the exact number.
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μ •ν™•ν•œ 숫자λ₯Ό κ΅΄λ €μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
25:56
It's so frustrating to get into the middle and then you are the winner, and
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쀑간에 끼어듀닀가 μŠΉμžκ°€ λ˜λŠ” 게 λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ‹΅λ‹΅ ν•˜κ³ 
26:00
I think that's the downfall of the game.
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그게 κ²Œμž„μ˜ λͺ°λ½μΈ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
26:02
Like you said, the fun is the trivia, it's answering the questions.
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당신이 λ§ν–ˆλ“―μ΄, μž¬λ―ΈλŠ” ν€΄μ¦ˆμ΄λ©°, μ§ˆλ¬Έμ— λ‹΅ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:07
The boring bit is having to roll the dice and get the right numbers
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μ§€λ£¨ν•œ 뢀뢄은 μ£Όμ‚¬μœ„λ₯Ό κ΅΄λ € μ›ν•˜λŠ” 곳에 λ„λ‹¬ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ μ˜¬λ°”λ₯Έ 숫자λ₯Ό μ–»μ–΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
26:11
to get to where you need to be.
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.
26:12
Luke: But it's quite clever in the way that they've made the game where
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루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ
26:15
if it wasn't for the board and the cheeses and the pies and going around
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λ³΄λ“œμ™€ μΉ˜μ¦ˆμ™€ νŒŒμ΄κ°€ μ•„λ‹ˆμ—ˆλ‹€λ©΄ λŒμ•„λ‹€λ‹ˆλ©΄μ„œ
26:19
and collecting cheese and going to the middle, if it wasn't for that,
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치즈λ₯Ό λͺ¨μœΌκ³  μ€‘μ•™μœΌλ‘œ κ°€λŠ” κ²Œμž„μ„ λ§Œλ“  방식은 κ½€ μ˜λ¦¬ν•΄μš”. ,
26:22
it would essentially just be a list of questions under different topics.
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μ΄λŠ” 본질적으둜 λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ μ£Όμ œμ— λŒ€ν•œ 질문 λͺ©λ‘μΌ λΏμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:25
Anna: It'd be a quiz.
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26:25
Luke: It'd just be a quiz.
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μ•„λ‚˜: ν€΄μ¦ˆκ°€ 될 κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
루크: κ·Έλƒ₯ ν€΄μ¦ˆμΌ 뿐이겠죠.
26:26
They could have sold it as a book.
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그듀은 그것을 μ±…μœΌλ‘œ νŒ” μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:27
Anna: Yeah.
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26:27
Just gone to the pub, gone to a pub quiz.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
방금 μˆ μ§‘μ— κ°”μ–΄, μˆ μ§‘ ν€΄μ¦ˆμ— κ°”μ–΄.
26:31
Luke: Yeah, exactly yeah.
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26:31
No, obviously this is the joy of the board game as a thing that there's a
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루크: 응, λ°”λ‘œ κ·Έκ±°μ•Ό.
μ•„λ‹ˆμš”, λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ 이것이 λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ˜ μ¦κ±°μ›€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:35
board and you wait your turn, you roll some dice and yeah, you know, the ritual
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λ³΄λ“œκ°€ 있고 μ°¨λ‘€λ₯Ό 기닀리고 μ£Όμ‚¬μœ„λ₯Ό ꡴리면
26:39
of a board game is a fantastic thing.
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λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ˜ μ˜μ‹μ€ ν™˜μƒμ μΈ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:42
And so yeah, let's just turn a quiz into a board game.
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그럼 예, ν€΄μ¦ˆλ₯Ό λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μœΌλ‘œ λ°”κΏ” λ³΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:45
And they've done a very good job.
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그리고 그듀은 μ•„μ£Ό 쒋은 일을 ν•΄λƒˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:46
It's one of the most successful board games that's ever been created.
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μ§€κΈˆκΉŒμ§€ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ§„ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 κ°€μž₯ 성곡적인 λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:50
Anna: Lots of versions of it.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 버전이 λ§Žμ•„μš”.
26:51
I think for me, one of the downfalls is that it does go out of date.
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λ‚΄ 생각에 λͺ°λ½ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” 그것이 μ‹œλŒ€μ— λ’€λ–¨μ–΄μ§„λ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:55
If you are young, it goes out of date for you quite quickly.
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μ Šλ‹€λ©΄ κ½€ 빨리 ꡬ식이 될 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
26:58
So I was quite young when I started playing this, and there were questions
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ œκ°€ 이 κ²Œμž„μ„ μ‹œμž‘ν–ˆμ„ λ•ŒλŠ” κ½€ μ–΄λ Έμ–΄μš” .
27:01
about like, politics and things.
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μ •μΉ˜λ‚˜ 그런 것에 λŒ€ν•œ 질문이 λ§Žμ•˜κ±°λ“ μš”.
27:02
I was a kid.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 어렸을 λ•Œμ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:04
Luke: Yeah.
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27:04
Anna: I had no idea about, if you had like arts and leisure and it's about movies and
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루크: 응.
Anna: 예술과 μ—¬κ°€λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•˜κ³  μ˜ν™”λ‚˜
27:08
things, it could be very much of its time and not as relevant or well-known, so...
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사물에 κ΄€ν•œ 것이라면 μ‹œκ°„μ΄ 많이 걸리고 관련성도 μ—†κ±°λ‚˜ 잘 μ•Œλ €μ§€μ§€ μ•Šμ„ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ μ „ν˜€ λͺ°λžμ–΄μš”.
27:14
Luke: Also quite American-centric as well.
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Luke: μ—­μ‹œ κ½€ λ―Έκ΅­ 쀑심적이죠. λ˜ν•œ.
27:17
Some of the early, maybe the first edition.
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초기의 일뢀, μ–΄μ©Œλ©΄ 첫 번째 버전일 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:20
That's the one I think that we've got at my parents' house.
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그게 λ°”λ‘œ 우리 λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜ 집에 μžˆλŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”. λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ ν•΄λ‹Ή λ²„μ „μ˜
27:23
It's always funny playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents that edition
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Trivial Pursuitλ₯Ό ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•˜λŠ” 것은 항상 μž¬λ―ΈμžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:26
because there's always a moment where everyone sort of sneers at the game.
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λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ κ²Œμž„μ„ λΉ„μ›ƒλŠ” μˆœκ°„μ΄ 항상 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:31
This is written by an American, you know, like.
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이것은 미ꡭ인이 μ“΄ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
27:35
'Cause all the questions are about American public figures and American
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μ™œλƒλ©΄ λͺ¨λ“  μ§ˆλ¬Έμ€ 미ꡭ의 곡인과 미ꡭ의
27:39
this and American that I think.
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이것, 그리고 μ œκ°€ μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” 미ꡭ인에 κ΄€ν•œ 것이기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:41
So it's always quite funny when that, I mean, at some point someone gets it wrong.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ–΄λŠ μ‹œμ μ— λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ 틀렸을 λ•Œ 그것은 항상 κ½€ μš°μŠ€κ½μŠ€λŸ½μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
27:45
And there's, this is an American, isn't it who wrote this?
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그리고 μ €κΈ°, 이 μ‚¬λžŒμ€ λ―Έκ΅­μΈμ΄μ—μš”. 이 글을 μ“΄ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μ•„λ‹Œκ°€μš”?
27:49
Anna: You can always update the cards, just buy a fresh box I guess.
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Anna: μΉ΄λ“œλŠ” μ–Έμ œλ“ μ§€ μ—…λ°μ΄νŠΈν•  수 μžˆμ–΄μš” . κ·Έλƒ₯ μƒˆ μƒμžλ₯Ό 사면 될 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
27:52
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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루크: 응, 응.
27:53
Anna: And just swap them in.
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Anna: 그리고 κ·Έλƒ₯ λ°”κΏ”λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
27:55
I'm gonna ask you a few questions now.
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이제 λͺ‡ 가지 μ§ˆλ¬Έμ„ ν• κ²Œμš”.
27:57
Luke: Okay.
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27:57
Anna: Are you ready?
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ€€λΉ„λλ‚˜μš”?
27:58
Luke: Uh, no.
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루크: μ–΄, μ•„λ‹ˆ.
27:59
Anna: No?
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27:59
Luke: But I'll answer them anyway.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„λ‹ˆ?
루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ–΄μ¨Œλ“  λŒ€λ‹΅μ€ ν• κ²Œμš”.
28:01
Anna: Okay.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
28:02
So this one is a, what topic is this?
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그럼 이건, 이게 무슨 μ£Όμ œμΈκ°€μš”?
28:05
It gives you a clue when you know the topic.
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주제λ₯Ό μ•Œλ©΄ 힌트λ₯Ό 얻을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:07
So this is a sports and leisure question.
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이것은 μŠ€ν¬μΈ μ™€ 여가에 κ΄€ν•œ μ§ˆλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:09
Luke: Sports and leisure.
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루크: μŠ€ν¬μΈ μ™€ μ—¬κ°€.
28:10
Okay.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
28:11
Anna: True or false?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ‚¬μ‹€μΈκ°€μš”, κ±°μ§“μΈκ°€μš”?
28:12
Competitive tickling exists.
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경쟁적인 κ°„μ§ˆμ΄ μ‘΄μž¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:14
Luke: Competitive tickling.
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루크: 경쟁적인 κ°„μ§€λŸΌ.
28:16
That's when you tickle someone...
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그럴 λ•Œ λˆ„κ΅°κ°€λ₯Ό κ°„μ§€λŸ½νž λ•Œ...
28:18
Anna: Like when you like, rub them with your fingers to make them laugh.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 원할 λ•Œμ²˜λŸΌ μ†κ°€λ½μœΌλ‘œ λ¬Έμ§ˆλŸ¬μ„œ μ›ƒκ²Œ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄ λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
28:23
Luke: The ribs, under the arms, the soles of the feet,
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루크: κ°ˆλΉ„λΌˆ, κ²¨λ“œλž‘μ΄ , λ°œλ°”λ‹₯,
28:28
competitive tickling, true or false?
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경쟁적인 κ°„μ§€λŸΌ, μ‚¬μ‹€μΈκ°€μš” κ±°μ§“μΈκ°€μš”?
28:30
It's, I'm gonna say it's true.
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그건, 사싀이라고 λ§ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:32
I think it's true.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 그것이 사싀이라고 μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:33
Anna: You are correct.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ‹Ήμ‹  말이 λ§žμ•„μš”.
28:34
You get a cheese.
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당신은 치즈λ₯Ό μ–»μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
28:35
Luke: Oh, brilliant.
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루크: 였, ν›Œλ₯­ν•΄μš”.
28:36
Yeah.
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응.
28:37
Competitive tickling.
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경쟁적인 κ°„μ§€λŸΌ.
28:38
Yeah.
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응.
28:39
Right.
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28:39
I wonder what the rules are for that, that you...
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였λ₯Έμͺ½. 그에 λŒ€ν•œ
κ·œμΉ™μ΄ 무엇인지 κΆκΈˆν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
28:42
Anna: Maybe it's that you have to make the other person wet themselves laughing.
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Anna: μ•„λ§ˆλ„ μƒλŒ€λ°©μ΄ μ›ƒκ²Œ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 것일 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
28:46
Luke: You get bonus points if, yeah, if they wet themselves.
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루크: λ§Œμ•½ 그듀이 슀슀둜 μ˜€μ€Œμ„ μ‹Έλ©΄ 당신은 λ³΄λ„ˆμŠ€ 포인트λ₯Ό μ–»μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
28:50
Anna: Yeah.
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28:50
I'm going to divulge, my dad when I was younger, used to tickle me
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
κ³΅κ°œν•˜μžλ©΄, μ•„λ²„μ§€λŠ” μ œκ°€ 어렸을 λ•Œ λΆˆνŽΈν•  μ •λ„λ‘œ μ €λ₯Ό κ°„μ§€λŸ½νžˆκ³€ ν•˜μ…¨μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
28:54
until it was just uncomfortable.
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.
28:56
Luke: Yeah.
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28:56
Anna: He would just tickle me and I'd be like, no, please stop.
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루크: 응.
Anna: κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μ €λ₯Ό κ°„μ§€λŸ½νžˆλ©΄ μ €λŠ” 'μ•ˆλΌ, 제발 κ·Έλ§Œλ‘¬'라고 λ§ν•˜κ³€ ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
28:58
Please stop.
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28:58
Please stop.
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μ€‘μ§€ν•˜μ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.
μ€‘μ§€ν•˜μ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.
28:59
And once he tickled me until I wet myself.
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그리고 ν•œλ²ˆμ€ λ‚΄κ°€ 젖을 λ•ŒκΉŒμ§€ κ·Έκ°€ λ‚˜λ₯Ό κ°„μ§€λŸ½ν˜”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
29:01
Luke: Oh my God.
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루크: λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬.
29:02
Really?
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정말?
29:03
Anna: Yeah.
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29:03
It was horrendous.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
그것은 λ”μ°ν–ˆλ‹€.
29:04
I was like, look what you made me do!
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λ‚˜λŠ” 마치, 당신이 λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ 무슨 짓을 ν–ˆλŠ”μ§€ λ³΄μ„Έμš”!
29:07
He was so good at tickling and I just, I couldn't resist.
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κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ€ κ°„μ§€λŸΌμ„ 잘 νƒ€λŠ”λ° λ‚˜λŠ” 참을 μˆ˜κ°€ μ—†μ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
29:10
It was awful.
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그건 λ”μ°ν–ˆλ‹€.
29:11
Luke: Yeah.
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29:11
Well, when you know someone, and you know, that you, you
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루크: 응.
κΈ€μŽ„μš”, 당신이 λˆ„κ΅°κ°€λ₯Ό μ•Œκ³  있고, 당신이 κ·Έ
29:14
know exactly how to tickle them.
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μ‚¬λžŒμ„ κ°„μ§€λŸ½νžˆλŠ” 방법을 μ •ν™•νžˆ μ•Œκ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•ˆλ‹€λ©΄.
29:16
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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29:16
Luke: Then it's very hard not to tickle them, isn't it?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
루크: 그럼 κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ κ°„μ§€λŸ½νžˆμ§€ μ•ŠλŠ” 게 정말 νž˜λ“€μ§€ μ•Šλ‚˜μš”?
29:18
Yeah.
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29:18
But you should probably stop before that person has to change
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응.
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄
29:22
their trousers or something.
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바지λ₯Ό κ°ˆμ•„μž…κ±°λ‚˜ 뭐라 ν•˜κΈ° 전에 λ©ˆμΆ°μ•Ό ν•  것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
29:23
Anna: Yeah.
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29:23
I was a child.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
λ‚˜λŠ” μ–΄λ¦° μ•„μ΄μ˜€λ‹€.
29:24
I mean, it's not like I did this as an adult, you know?
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λ‚΄ 말은, λ‚΄κ°€ μ–΄λ₯Έμ΄ λ˜μ–΄μ„œλ„ 이런 짓을 ν•œ 건 μ•„λ‹ˆλž€ κ±° μ•Œμ§€?
29:27
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
29:28
Anna: So we'll forgive me for that one.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그럼 κ·Έ 점은 μš©μ„œν•΄ λ“œλ¦¬κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
29:29
Luke: Yeah.
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29:29
Anna: But the next question on my list is a...
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루크: 응.
Anna: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‚΄ λͺ©λ‘μ˜ λ‹€μŒ μ§ˆλ¬Έμ€...
29:32
Luke: Science and nature.
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Luke: κ³Όν•™κ³Ό μžμ—°μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
29:34
FE is the abbreviation of which element on the periodic table?
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FEλŠ” μ£ΌκΈ°μœ¨ν‘œμ˜ μ–΄λ–€ μ›μ†Œμ˜ μ•½μ–΄μΈκ°€μš” ?
29:38
Okay.
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29:38
I did study chemistry at school.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
μ €λŠ” ν•™κ΅μ—μ„œ 화학을 κ³΅λΆ€ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
29:41
Anna: Good.
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29:41
Luke: I think this is one of the only ones I remember along with Au, which is gold.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ’‹μ•„μš”.
루크: 금인 Au와 ν•¨κ»˜ μ œκ°€ κΈ°μ–΅ν•˜λŠ” μœ μΌν•œ 것 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜μΈ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
29:45
Eh, you!
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μ–΄, λ„ˆ!
29:47
Now there's, there's no joke there, you think about it.
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이제 κ±°κΈ°μ—λŠ” 농담이 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μƒκ°ν•΄λ³΄μ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.
29:50
But Fe is, is it iron?
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그런데 FeλŠ” μ² μΈκ°€μš”?
29:53
Anna: That's right.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”.
29:54
Luke: Yes.
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29:54
Anna: Well done.
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29:54
Luke: Yes.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μž˜ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
루크: 응.
29:55
Anna: Ding ding!
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29:55
You get two stars or two cheeses, confused the game.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ”©λ”©!
별 두 κ°œλ‚˜ 치즈 두 개λ₯Ό μ–»μœΌλ©΄ κ²Œμž„μ΄ ν˜Όλž€μŠ€λŸ¬μ›Œμ§‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
29:59
Okay, last question 'cause I don't wanna drag this out too much.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”, λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰ μ§ˆλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ μ €λŠ” 이것을 λ„ˆλ¬΄ 많이 끌고 싢지 μ•ŠκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
30:03
Luke: Okay.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
30:04
Anna: A and L is arts and literature.
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Anna: A와 L은 예술과 λ¬Έν•™μ΄μ—μš”.
30:06
Luke: Arts and literature.
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루크: 예술과 λ¬Έν•™μ΄μš”.
30:07
Anna: Which classic novel opens with the line "Call me Ishmael."
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: "λ‚˜λ₯Ό μ΄μŠ€λ§ˆμ—˜μ΄λΌ λΆˆλŸ¬μ£Όμ„Έμš”"λΌλŠ” μ€„λ‘œ μ‹œμž‘ν•˜λŠ” κ³ μ „ μ†Œμ„€μ€μš”.
30:13
Luke: Call me Ishmael.
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루크: λ‚˜λ₯Ό μ΄μŠ€λ§ˆμ—˜μ΄λΌκ³  λΆˆλŸ¬μ£Όμ„Έμš”.
30:16
I don't know.
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λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
30:18
I have no idea.
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λ‚˜λŠ” λͺ¨λ₯Έλ‹€.
30:20
I should probably guess, but I'm not going to.
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μΆ”μΈ‘ν•΄μ•Ό ν•  것 κ°™μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
30:22
Anna: Okay.
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30:22
Luke: But I don't know who is...what's that?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
루크: 그런데 λˆ„κ΅°μ§€ λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”... μ €κ²Œ 뭐죠?
30:26
Anna: Moby Dick.
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μ•„λ‚˜: λͺ¨λΉ„λ”•.
30:27
Luke: Oh, right.
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루크: μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
30:29
Anna: Have you read it?
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30:29
Luke: I should have known that.
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μ•„λ‚˜: 읽어 λ³΄μ…¨λ‚˜μš”?
루크: λ‚˜λ„ κ·Έκ±Έ μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄μ•Ό ν–ˆλŠ”λ°.
30:31
Have you read it?
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μ½μ–΄λ³΄μ…¨λ‚˜μš”?
30:32
Anna: I haven't read it.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 읽어본 적 μ—†μ–΄μš”.
30:33
Have you read it?
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30:33
Luke: No, I haven't read it, but I'd like to read it.
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μ½μ–΄λ³΄μ…¨λ‚˜μš”?
루크: μ•„λ‹ˆμš”, 읽어본 적은 μ—†μ§€λ§Œ 읽어보고 μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
30:36
But I'm put off by the fact that it's exceedingly long.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„ˆλ¬΄ κΈΈμ–΄μ„œ λ‹Ήν™©μŠ€λŸ½λ„€μš”.
30:39
Anna: Yeah.
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30:39
Like War and Peace.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
μ „μŸκ³Ό ν‰ν™”μ²˜λŸΌμš”.
30:41
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
30:42
Yeah.
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30:42
Anna: Yeah.
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30:42
Luke: Exactly.
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응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: μ •ν™•ν•΄μš”.
30:43
Anna: Okay, so I have one question for the listeners at home, so please don't
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Anna: μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 집에 μžˆλŠ” μ²­μ·¨μžλ“€μ—κ²Œ 질문이 ν•˜λ‚˜ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ . κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆ
30:47
answer this Luke, you can message me later if you think you know the answer.
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이 μ§ˆλ¬Έμ—λŠ” λŒ€λ‹΅ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”. Luke, 닡을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°λ˜λ©΄ λ‚˜μ€‘μ— λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ λ©”μ‹œμ§€λ₯Ό λ³΄λ‚΄μ„Έμš”.
30:51
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
30:52
Anna: If you are listening and you are listening or watching on YouTube, then
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 유튜브둜 λ“£κ³  κ³„μ‹œκ±°λ‚˜ μ‹œμ²­ν•˜κ³  계신닀면
30:56
you can write the answer in the comments.
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λŒ“κΈ€λ‘œ 닡을 μ μ–΄μ£Όμ‹œλ©΄ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
30:58
The question is, what is the only country to start with the letter O?
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λ¬Έμ œλŠ” 문자 O둜 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜λŠ” μœ μΌν•œ κ΅­κ°€λŠ” μ–΄λ””μž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
31:04
Luke: Don't Google it, folks.
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루크: κ΅¬κΈ€λ§ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”, μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„.
31:06
Anna: Yeah, don't cheat.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 속이지 마.
31:07
Luke: Use your brain.
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루크: λ‘λ‡Œλ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
31:10
Anna: Okay, so that's Trivial Pursuit.
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Anna: μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그게 Trivial Pursuitμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
31:12
So now one of the most played board games in the world, and it's also
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이제 μ„Έκ³„μ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ 많이 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ˜λŠ” λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜μ΄μž μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œ
31:16
the most owned board or board game in the UK is, what do you think?
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κ°€μž₯ 많이 μ†Œμœ λœ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ΄ λ˜μ—ˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
31:24
Luke: Um.
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루크: 음.
31:26
Hmm.
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흠.
31:28
Hmm.
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흠.
31:29
Anna: Like a standard piece of kit in everyone's house?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ 집에 μžˆλŠ” ν‘œμ€€ ν‚€νŠΈμ²˜λŸΌμš”?
31:32
Luke: Cluedo.
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루크: 클루에도.
31:33
Anna: Oh no, I don't have a Cluedo set here.
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Anna: 아뇨, μ—¬κΈ°μ—λŠ” Cluedo μ„ΈνŠΈκ°€ μ—†μ–΄μš”.
31:35
Luke: Oh, okay.
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루크: μ•„, μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
31:36
So it's not Cluedo.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ Cluedoκ°€ μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
31:37
Well, it, can we go back to the classics like chess?
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κΈ€μŽ„μš”, 체슀 같은 κ³ μ „μœΌλ‘œ λŒμ•„κ°ˆ 수 μžˆμ„κΉŒμš”?
31:41
Anna: Chess.
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31:41
Luke: Chess, okay.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ²΄μŠ€μš”.
루크: 체슀, μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
31:42
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
31:43
Luke: Yeah.
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31:43
I feel like chess is an ancient game or something.
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루크: 응.
μ²΄μŠ€λŠ” κ³ λŒ€ κ²Œμž„μΈκ°€ ν•˜λŠ” 생각이 λ“­λ‹ˆλ‹€.
31:45
Anna: It is.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
31:46
It dates back to the sixth sixth century.
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그것은 66μ„ΈκΈ°λ‘œ 거슬러 μ˜¬λΌκ°„λ‹€.
31:51
Luke: The sixth century.
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루크: 6μ„ΈκΈ°μš”.
31:52
Anna: Yeah.
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31:52
Luke: Not the sick century where everyone was sick with the plague.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ 전염병에 κ±Έλ¦° μ•„ν”ˆ μ„ΈκΈ°κ°€ μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
31:55
Anna: Well, they probably were quite sick in the sixth century.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음, μ•„λ§ˆλ„ 6μ„ΈκΈ°μ—λŠ” κ½€ μ•„νŒ λ˜ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
31:58
Luke: I expect so.
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루크: 그럴 κ²ƒμœΌλ‘œ μ˜ˆμƒν•΄μš”.
31:59
But the sixth century.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 6μ„ΈκΈ°.
32:02
Anna: Yeah.
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32:02
Luke: So that's 500 to 599 AD.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 그러면 μ„œκΈ° 500λ…„μ—μ„œ 599λ…„μ΄κ΅°μš”.
32:06
Anna: I'll trust you on that one.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그건 당신을 λ―Ώκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:07
Yeah.
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응.
32:08
I don't do mental maths.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 정신적 계산을 ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:10
Maths.
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μˆ˜ν•™.
32:11
Luke: I'm pretty sure that's right.
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루크: κ·Έ 말이 λ§žμ„ 거라고 ν™•μ‹ ν•΄μš”.
32:12
Okay.
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32:12
It's the dark ages.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
μ•”ν‘μ‹œλŒ€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:13
Anna: Yes.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€. 이
32:14
It's a very old game, which means that some of the rules and
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κ²Œμž„μ€ μ•„μ£Ό 였래된 κ²Œμž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 즉, 일뢀 κ·œμΉ™κ³Ό
32:18
the way the players move on the board is quite bizarre, really.
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄κ°€ λ³΄λ“œμ—μ„œ μ›€μ§μ΄λŠ” 방식이 정말 μ΄μƒν•˜λ‹€λŠ” λœ»μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:22
Can you remember what all the, you said in the previous episode,
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이전 μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œμ—μ„œ
32:26
our little chat about Monopoly, that you don't really do chess?
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독점에 κ΄€ν•΄ 잠깐 이야기λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ„μ…¨λŠ”λ° μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 체슀λ₯Ό 두지 μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€κ³  λ§μ”€ν•˜μ…¨λ˜ 것을 κΈ°μ–΅ν•˜μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
32:29
Luke: I love chess.
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루크: μ €λŠ” 체슀λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
32:30
Don't get me wrong.
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32:30
I love chess.
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μ˜€ν•΄ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”.
λ‚˜λŠ” 체슀λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:31
I'm fascinated by chess.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μ²΄μŠ€μ— λ§€λ£Œλ˜μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:32
I do play chess sometimes, but it's too, it's a little beyond me.
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가끔 체슀λ₯Ό 두기도 ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그것도 제 μˆ˜μ€€μ„ 쑰금 λ„˜μ–΄μ„œλŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
32:36
Anna: Okay.
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32:36
Luke: But I know the rules.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‚œ κ·œμΉ™μ„ μ•Œμ•„μš”.
32:37
So you've got your castles, I call them castles, on the corners.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ λͺ¨ν‰μ΄μ— 성을 κ°–κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ‚˜λŠ” 그것을 성이라고 λΆ€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:42
Anna: Yeah.
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32:42
Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
응.
32:43
Are they, they're supposed to be, 'cause I call them castles too.
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κ·Έλ ‡μ£ , κ·Έλž˜μ•Όκ² μ£ . μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ λ‚˜λ„ 성이라고 λΆ€λ₯΄κ±°λ“ μš”.
32:46
But aren't they like rooks?
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그듀은 루크 같지 μ•Šλ‚˜μš”?
32:47
Are they rooks?
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그듀은 λ£¨ν¬μΈκ°€μš”?
32:48
Luke: Rooks.
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32:48
Rooks.
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32:48
Yeah.
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루크: 루크슀.
루크.
응.
32:49
That's right.
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32:49
They should be called rooks, I think.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
루크라고 λΆˆλŸ¬μ•Ό ν•  것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
32:51
And they go horizontally and vertically.
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그리고 그듀은 μˆ˜ν‰κ³Ό 수직으둜 μ΄λ™ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:53
Anna: Uh-huh.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ–΄-ν—ˆ.
32:54
Luke: Then you've got...
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32:54
Anna: So straight lines.
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Luke: 그러면...
Anna: μ§μ„ μ΄κ΅°μš”.
32:55
I just think about they go in straight lines.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 단지 그듀이 μ§μ„ μœΌλ‘œ κ°„λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
32:57
Luke: Straight lines.
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32:57
Exactly.
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루크: μ§μ„ μ΄μš”.
μ •ν™•νžˆ.
32:58
Left, right up, down.
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μ™Όμͺ½, 였λ₯Έμͺ½ μœ„, μ•„λž˜.
32:59
Anna: But then I guess a diagonal is a straight,
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Anna: 그런데 λŒ€κ°μ„ μ΄ 직선인 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
33:01
Luke: Ehh.
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33:01
Anna: It's straight, it doesn't deviate.
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Luke: 에에.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ§μ„ μ΄μ—μš”. μ–΄κΈ‹λ‚˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•„μš”.
33:03
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
33:05
True.
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진싀.
33:06
Anna: Yeah.
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33:06
Luke: It's not curved, is it, diagonal?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 곑선이 μ•„λ‹ˆκ³  λŒ€κ°μ„ μΈκ°€μš”?
33:08
Anna: No.
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33:08
Luke: Anyway.
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33:08
Anna: Straight line.
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Anna: μ•„λ‹ˆμš”.
Luke: μ–΄μ¨Œλ“ μš”.
μ•„λ‚˜: μ§μ„ μ΄μ—μš”.
33:09
Luke: Up, down, left, right.
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루크: μœ„, μ•„λž˜, μ™Όμͺ½, 였λ₯Έμͺ½.
33:11
These are the rooks.
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이듀은 λ£¨ν¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:12
Anna: Yeah.
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33:12
Luke: Then, you've got the knights.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 그럼 기사단이 μžˆκ΅°μš”.
33:15
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
33:16
Luke: Or horses.
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33:16
Anna: The little horseys.
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루크: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ 말.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μž‘μ€ λ§λ“€μ΄μ—μš”.
33:17
Luke: Yeah, little horses.
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루크: 응, μž‘μ€ 말듀.
33:18
And they do an interesting L shape, which is quite interesting.
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그리고 그듀은 ν₯미둜운 L자 λͺ¨μ–‘을 ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”λ° , 그것은 κ½€ ν₯λ―Έλ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:22
They can go forward three and right one or forward three and left one.
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그듀은 μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 3번 κ°€κ³  였λ₯Έμͺ½μœΌλ‘œ 1번 갈 μˆ˜λ„ 있고, μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 3번 κ°€κ³  μ™Όμͺ½μœΌλ‘œ 1번 갈 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:26
Anna: Is it forward three?
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 3λ²ˆμΈκ°€μš”?
33:28
Yeah, it is forward three.
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응, μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 3λ²ˆμ΄μ•Ό.
33:29
Luke: It's like, yeah.
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33:29
Anna: From the one they're on, then two forward from there, right?
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그듀이 타고 μžˆλŠ” 것 ν•˜λ‚˜λΆ€ν„°, κ·Έλ‹€μŒμ—λŠ” κ±°κΈ°μ—μ„œ μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 두 개, 맞죠?
33:32
Luke: Yeah.
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33:32
They can kind of go in any direction in that pattern, like,
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루크: 응.
그듀은 κ·Έ νŒ¨ν„΄μ— 따라 μ–΄λŠ λ°©ν–₯μœΌλ‘œλ“  갈 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄
33:35
you know, or they can go right.
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였λ₯Έμͺ½μœΌλ‘œ 갈 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:39
And then, oh, I just can't!
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κ·Έλ¦¬κ³ λŠ”, μ•„, λ‚œ λ„μ €νžˆ ν•  μˆ˜κ°€ μ—†μ–΄!
33:41
L shapes.
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L λͺ¨μ–‘.
33:42
Anna: Yeah.
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33:42
L shape.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
L λͺ¨μ–‘.
33:43
So it's actually two from the square they're on.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ‹€μ œλ‘œλŠ” 그듀이 μžˆλŠ” κ΄‘μž₯μ—μ„œ 2κ°œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:45
Luke: Yeah.
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33:45
Anna: They can only move two more squares forward.
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루크: 응.
μ•„λ‚˜: μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 두 칸만 더 움직일 수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
33:47
Luke: Oh, is it two?
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루크: μ•„, 두 κ°œμΈκ°€μš”?
33:48
Anna: Yeah.
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33:48
I don't think it's three.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
3κ°œλŠ” μ•„λ‹Œ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
33:49
Luke: It's not three.
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33:49
Anna: Because if you are starting your horse, or your knight...
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루크: 3κ°œκ°€ μ•„λ‹ˆμ˜ˆμš”.
Anna: λ§μ΄λ‚˜ κΈ°μ‚¬μ˜ μ‹œλ™μ„ κ±Έλ©΄...
33:53
Luke: Yeah.
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33:53
Anna: You can jump over.
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Luke: λ„€.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ›°μ–΄λ„˜μ„ 수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
33:54
It's the only player that can jump.
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점프할 수 μžˆλŠ” μœ μΌν•œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
33:55
Luke: Of course it's two.
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루크: 물둠 2개죠.
33:57
Yeah.
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33:57
Anna: So it jumps over the pawn.
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응.
Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 폰을 λ›°μ–΄ λ„˜λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
33:59
We'll come back to those, jump over the pawn and then move across.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” λ‹€μ‹œ λŒμ•„μ™€μ„œ 폰을 λ›°μ–΄λ„˜κ³  κ±΄λ„ˆκ°ˆ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:02
Luke: Right.
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34:02
Anna: So it's only two forward and one across.
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루크: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
Anna: 그럼 μ•žμœΌλ‘œ 두 개 , κ°€λ‘œλ‘œ ν•œ 개만 μžˆλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
34:04
Luke: Yeah.
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34:04
Okay.
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루크: 응.
μ’‹μ•„μš”.
34:05
And, you know, in any variation of that, that pattern basically, you know?
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그리고, 기본적으둜 κ·Έ νŒ¨ν„΄μ˜ μ–΄λ–€ λ³€ν˜•μ΄λ“ , μ•„μ‹œμ£ ?
34:09
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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34:09
Mm-hmm.
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34:09
Luke: Which is interesting.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
음-흠.
루크: κ·Έκ±° ν₯λ―Έλ‘­λ„€μš”.
34:10
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
34:11
Luke: And then you've got the bishops.
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루크: 그리고 κ·Έ λ‹€μŒμ—λŠ” 주ꡐ듀이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:13
Anna: Oh yes, they're wonky lines.
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Anna: μ•„ κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”. μ΄μƒν•œ λŒ€μ‚¬λ„€μš”.
34:15
Luke: They go in diagonal...
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Luke: λŒ€κ°μ„ μœΌλ‘œ κ°€λ„€μš”...
34:16
Anna: Not wonky lines!
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34:16
Luke: Diagonal lines that you got one on the white squares,
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Anna: μ΄μƒν•œ 선은 μ•„λ‹ˆμ—μš”!
루크: λŒ€κ°μ„ μ€ 흰색 μ‚¬κ°ν˜•μ— ν•˜λ‚˜,
34:19
one on the black squares.
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검은색 μ‚¬κ°ν˜•μ— ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:21
And they can command the diagonal lines, as it were.
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그리고 그듀은 λ§ν•˜μžλ©΄ λŒ€κ°μ„ μ„ λͺ…λ Ήν•  수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
34:24
Anna: Axis.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μΆ•.
34:25
Luke: Axes.
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루크: λ„λΌμš”.
34:26
Yeah.
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34:26
And then you've got the queen and the king.
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응.
그리고 μ—¬μ™•κ³Ό 왕이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:30
The queen is the boss of the game.
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여왕은 κ²Œμž„μ˜ λ³΄μŠ€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:33
Anna: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 정말 λ†€λžμ§€, 그렇지?
34:34
Luke: Brilliant.
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34:34
Yeah.
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루크: ν›Œλ₯­ν•΄μš”.
응.
34:35
Anna: She's so strong as a player.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ…€λŠ” μ„ μˆ˜λ‘œμ„œ 맀우 κ°•ν•΄μš”.
34:37
But the king...
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 왕은...
34:38
Luke: Fully the strongest player on the board.
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루크: λ³΄λ“œμ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ κ°•ν•œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:40
But the king is bloody useless in terms of being able to do anything.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 왕은 무엇이든 ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” μ μ—μ„œ λΉŒμ–΄λ¨Ήμ„ μ“Έλͺ¨κ°€ μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:44
All the king does is run away, doesn't he?
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왕이 ν•˜λŠ” 일은 λ„λ§μΉ˜λŠ” 것뿐이지 μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
34:45
He will hide.
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κ·ΈλŠ” μˆ¨μ„ 것이닀.
34:47
Anna: Yeah.
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34:47
Behind all the other players.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
λ‹€λ₯Έ λͺ¨λ“  ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄ 뒀에.
34:48
Luke: He can take pieces, but it's rare.
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루크: 쑰각을 κ°€μ Έκ°ˆ μˆ˜λŠ” μžˆμ§€λ§Œ 그런 κ²½μš°λŠ” λ“œλ­…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:51
But the queen is just amazing.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 여왕은 정말 λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:53
She can go straight lines, diagonal lines.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 직선, λŒ€κ°μ„ μ„ 갈 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
34:56
Anna: She can't do a horse move though.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 말을 움직일 수 μ—†μ–΄μš”.
34:58
Luke: She can't do a horse...
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Luke: κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 말을 ν•  수 μ—†μ–΄μš”...
34:59
Anna: Or a knight move, a knight move.
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Anna: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ κΈ°μ‚¬μ˜ μ›€μ§μž„, κΈ°μ‚¬μ˜ μ›€μ§μž„.
35:01
Luke: Correct.
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루크: λ§žμ•„μš”.
35:02
She can't do that.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ ν•  수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:04
She can't jump like like that.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ 점프할 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:06
Yeah.
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35:06
And, and the king can only can move in any direction, but only one square at a time.
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응.
그리고 왕은 μ–΄λŠ λ°©ν–₯μœΌλ‘œλ“  움직일 수 μžˆμ§€λ§Œ ν•œ λ²ˆμ— ν•œ 칸만 움직일 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:11
Anna: Yeah.
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35:11
Which is exactly the same as...
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
그건 μ •ν™•νžˆ...
35:12
oh no, pawns.
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아뇨, 폰과 λ˜‘κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:14
They can only move one square, but they...
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그듀은 ν•œ 칸만 이동할 수 μžˆμ§€λ§Œ...
35:16
Luke: Two squares their first move.
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Luke: 첫 번째 이동은 두 μΉΈμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:17
They can go two.
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두 λͺ…은 갈 수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
35:18
Anna: That's right.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”.
35:19
Their first steps.
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κ·Έλ“€μ˜ 첫 걸음.
35:20
But they can't move backwards.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그듀은 λ’€λ‘œ 이동할 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:22
They can only move forwards.
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그듀은 μ•žμœΌλ‘œλ§Œ λ‚˜μ•„κ°ˆ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:23
Luke: They take other pieces by going diagonally.
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루크: λŒ€κ°μ„ μœΌλ‘œ μ΄λ™ν•˜μ—¬ λ‹€λ₯Έ 쑰각을 κ°€μ Έκ°‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:26
Anna: Diagonally.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λŒ€κ°μ„ μœΌλ‘œμš”.
35:27
That's right.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
35:29
Luke: But when they get to the end...
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Luke: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰μ— λ„λ‹¬ν•˜λ©΄...
35:31
Anna: You can swap them for any player that's been taken off the board.
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Anna: λ³΄λ“œμ—μ„œ μ œμ™Έλœ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄μ™€ ꡐ체할 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
35:35
Luke: Yeah, you can.
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루크: λ„€, 그럴 수 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
35:36
So if you've lost your queen, but one little pawn has just like made
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λ”°λΌμ„œ 여왕을 μžƒμ—ˆμ§€λ§Œ μž‘μ€ 폰 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€
35:40
it all the way to the end, somehow.
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μ–΄λ–»κ²Œλ“  λκΉŒμ§€ 살아남은 것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:42
Anna: Yeah.
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35:42
Luke: All the others have like, wait a minute.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: λ‹€λ₯Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€λ„ λ‹€ κ·Έλ ‡μž–μ•„μš”, μž κΉλ§Œμš”.
35:43
Where's that pawn gone?
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κ·Έ 폰은 μ–΄λ””λ‘œ κ°”λ‚˜μš”?
35:44
Oh, he's got to the end.
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μ•„, κ·ΈλŠ” λκΉŒμ§€ κ°€λ΄€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
35:46
Anna: Oh no!
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35:46
Luke: And then you could replace that one with a queen and
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„ μ•ˆλΌ!
루크: 그리고 κ·Έκ±Έ μ—¬μ™•μœΌλ‘œ λ°”κΎΈλ©΄
35:49
suddenly, pow I'm back, bitches!
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κ°‘μžκΈ°, νŽ‘, λ‚΄κ°€ λŒμ•„μ™”μ–΄, κ°œμžμ‹λ“€μ•„!
35:52
Anna: You can have two queens on the board at any one time as well, right?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ–Έμ œλ“ μ§€ λ³΄λ“œμ— 두 λͺ…μ˜ 여왕을 λ‘˜ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
35:56
Luke: Can you?
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35:56
Anna: So if you, I think if you already have your queen and then you
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루크: 그럴 수 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
Anna: κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ λ§Œμ•½ 당신이 이미 여왕을 κ°–κ³  있고
36:00
get a pawn to the other end maybe.
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λ‹€λ₯Έ μͺ½ 끝에 폰을 κ°–κ²Œ λœλ‹€λ©΄ μ•„λ§ˆλ„ 그럴 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:02
This is a bad rule that I've been playing.
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이것은 λ‚΄κ°€ μ‚¬μš©ν•΄ 온 λ‚˜μœ κ·œμΉ™μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:04
Luke: People listening do know more about chess than us.
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루크: λ“£λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ μš°λ¦¬λ³΄λ‹€ μ²΄μŠ€μ— λŒ€ν•΄ 더 많이 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:07
This is just Luke and Anna talk about a game they don't really understand.
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이건 루크와 μ•ˆλ‚˜κ°€ 그듀이 잘 μ΄ν•΄ν•˜μ§€ λͺ»ν•˜λŠ” κ²Œμž„μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒλΏμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:11
Anna: Well, I taught myself chess as a young child from a book that
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κΈ€μŽ„μš”, μ €λŠ” 어렸을 λ•Œ κ½€ 였래된 책을 톡해 체슀λ₯Ό λ…ν•™ν–ˆλŠ”λ°
36:15
was also pretty old, and I wasn't very good at reading at the time.
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κ·Έ λ‹Ήμ‹œμ—λŠ” 책을 잘 읽지 λͺ»ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:18
So, you know, I'm probably making some rules up as I go.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ, μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, λ‚˜λŠ” μ•„λ§ˆλ„ λͺ‡ 가지 κ·œμΉ™μ„ λ§Œλ“€κ³  μžˆμ„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:21
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
36:22
Anna: But yeah, chess is one of those games that if you understand it,
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Anna: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„€, μ²΄μŠ€λŠ” 당신이 그것을 이해
36:26
and if you've got the kind of mind that can remember strategies and you
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ν•˜κ³  μ „λž΅μ„ κΈ°μ–΅ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” 마음이 있고
36:30
can think several moves ahead, then it could be over really quickly.
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μ•žμœΌλ‘œ λͺ‡ 가지 수λ₯Ό 생각할 수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ 정말 빨리 끝날 수 μžˆλŠ” κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:34
And people play speed chess, don't they?
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그리고 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ μŠ€ν”Όλ“œ 체슀λ₯Ό ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šλ‚˜μš”?
36:36
Where they're just like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.
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그듀이 νŽ‘ , νŽ‘, νŽ‘, νŽ‘, νŽ‘ν•˜λŠ” κ³³.
36:38
Luke: Yeah.
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36:38
Anna: They're hitting the clock and moving their piece and it's just done.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ‹œκ³„λ₯Ό 치고 μž‘ν’ˆμ„ 움직이면 λμ΄μ—μš”.
36:41
Whereas when I play chess, I often get to the point where there's just
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λ°˜λ©΄μ— μ œκ°€ 체슀λ₯Ό ν•  λ•Œ
36:45
two pieces left a player, a piece per player, and you're just constantly
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄ ν•œ λͺ…λ‹Ή ν•œ κ°œμ”© 두 개의 기물만 λ‚¨κ²Œ λ˜λŠ” κ²½μš°κ°€ μ’…μ’… μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그리고 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ κ³„μ†ν•΄μ„œ
36:50
moving around the board trying to, and you just can't end the game
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λ³΄λ“œ μ£Όμœ„λ₯Ό 움직이렀고 λ…Έλ ₯ν•˜λ©°, κ²Œμž„μ„ 끝낼 λ•ŒκΉŒμ§€λŠ” κ²Œμž„μ„ 끝낼 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
36:53
until you just go, d'you know what?
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κ·Έλƒ₯ κ°€μ„Έμš”, κ·Έκ±° μ•Œμ•„μš”?
36:54
Luke: Stalemate.
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36:54
Anna: I give up, I give up.
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루크: κ΅μ°©μƒνƒœμ—μš”.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν¬κΈ°ν•΄μš”, ν¬κΈ°ν•΄μš”.
36:56
Luke: Yeah.
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36:56
Where there's just two pieces chasing each other around the board.
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루크: 응.
λ³΄λ“œ μ£Όμœ„μ— μ„œλ‘œλ₯Ό μ«“λŠ” 두 쑰각이 μžˆλŠ” κ³³.
36:58
It's completely stupid.
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μ™„μ „νžˆ λ°”λ³΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:00
But yeah, I mean it's a fascinating game though 'cause of the level of intelligence
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„€, 제 말은 이 κ²Œμž„μ— 적용될 수 μžˆλŠ” 지λŠ₯의 μˆ˜μ€€
37:05
that can be applied to it and these chess grandmasters are absolutely amazing.
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κ³Ό 이 체슀 κ·Έλžœλ“œλ§ˆμŠ€ν„°λ“€μ΄ 정말 λ†€λžκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— 그것은 맀λ ₯적인 κ²Œμž„μ΄λΌλŠ” λœ»μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:10
Anna: Yeah, so there's two that I've got in the notes, which is Magnus Carlson.
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Anna: λ„€, λ©”λͺ¨μ— 두 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μžˆλŠ”λ°, λ§€κ·Έλ„ˆμŠ€ μΉΌμŠ¨μ΄μ—μš”.
37:14
Luke: Yeah.
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37:14
Anna: And Beth Harmon.
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루크: 응.
μ•„λ‚˜: 그리고 베슀 ν•˜λͺ¬λ„μš”.
37:16
Now, there was a really interesting drama that was made about Beth Harmon.
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베슀 ν•˜λͺ¬μ— κ΄€ν•΄ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ§„ 정말 ν₯미둜운 λ“œλΌλ§ˆκ°€ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:21
Luke: Yeah.
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37:21
Anna: And that was called The Queen's Gambit.
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루크: 응.
Anna: 그리고 그것은 μ—¬μ™•μ˜ μ±…λž΅(The Queen's Gambit)이라고 λΆˆλ ΈμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:24
Luke: Yeah.
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37:24
Anna: Which is really, even if you are not into chess, if you are interested in
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 정말, 체슀λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šλ”λΌλ„ μ²΄μŠ€μ— 관심이 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
37:28
chess, it was still a really great drama.
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정말 쒋은 λ“œλΌλ§ˆμ˜€μ–΄μš”.
37:30
That I recommend to viewers, listeners.
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μ‹œμ²­μž, μ²­μ·¨μžμ—κ²Œ μΆ”μ²œν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:33
Luke: Yeah.
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37:33
Yeah, yeah.
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37:33
Anna: Did you watch it?
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루크: 응.
응, 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ΄€μ–΄?
37:34
Luke: Yeah, I did watch it.
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루크: 응, λ΄€μ–΄.
37:35
Yeah.
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응.
37:36
Anna: Do you know what gambit means?
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μ•„λ‚˜: 갬빗이 무슨 λœ»μΈμ§€ μ•„μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
37:38
Luke: Isn't a gambit a sort of a strategy, like a kind of a move that you would
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루크: 갬빗은 μΌμ’…μ˜ μ „λž΅, 즉 당신이 ν•˜λ €λŠ” μΌμ’…μ˜ μ›€μ§μž„
37:42
do, a kind of specific strategic move?
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, μΌμ’…μ˜ νŠΉμ •ν•œ μ „λž΅μ  μ›€μ§μž„μ΄ μ•„λ‹Œκ°€μš”?
37:46
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
37:47
It's like a clever move or a clever opening move that gives you an advantage,
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그것은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ—κ²Œ 이점을 μ£ΌλŠ” μ˜λ¦¬ν•œ μˆ˜λ‚˜ μ˜λ¦¬ν•œ μ˜€ν”„λ‹ μˆ˜μ™€ κ°™μ§€λ§Œ
37:51
but it's not necessarily seen or deemed to be an advantageous move.
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λ°˜λ“œμ‹œ μœ λ¦¬ν•œ 수둜 λ³΄μ΄κ±°λ‚˜ κ°„μ£Όλ˜λŠ” 것은 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
37:56
So like giving up your queen or giving up a valuable piece going, oh, you
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆ λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ 여왕을 ν¬κΈ°ν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ κ·€μ€‘ν•œ 쑰각을 ν¬κΈ°ν•˜λŠ” 것과 같이, 였, 당신이 방금 λ‚΄
38:01
just took my queen, how silly of me.
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여왕을 κ°€μ Έκ°„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ 어리석은 μΌμž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
38:04
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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38:04
Anna: But really you've got something in mind that you're like,
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루크: 음-흠.
Anna: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 당신은
38:07
their next move, checkmate, pow!
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κ·Έλ“€μ˜ λ‹€μŒ μ›€μ§μž„, μž₯κ΅°, νŽ‘κ³Ό 같은 것을 염두에 두고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:09
I tricked you.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 당신을 μ†μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:10
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
38:11
Anna: So, yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·ΈλŸΌμš”.
38:12
Luke: Yeah.
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38:12
Yeah, there's a lot of obviously kind of mental strategy involved in it too, in
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루크: 응.
예, μ—¬κΈ°μ—λŠ” λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ μΌμ’…μ˜ 정신적 μ „λž΅μ΄ κ΄€λ ¨λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 마치
38:15
the sense of like coming into a game of chess, sitting in front of your opponent.
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체슀 κ²Œμž„μ— μ°Έκ°€ν•˜μ—¬ μƒλŒ€λ°© μ•žμ— 앉아 μžˆλŠ” 것과 같은 μ˜λ―Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:20
Your opponent will, a bit like in a game of poker or something.
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μƒλŒ€λ°©μ€ 포컀 κ²Œμž„ 같은 κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•  κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
38:22
Anna: Poker face.
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38:22
Luke: Your opponent will...yeah, use poker face or you, you maybe use your opponent's
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν¬μ»€νŽ˜μ΄μŠ€μš”.
루크: μƒλŒ€λŠ”...그래, 포컀 페이슀λ₯Ό μ‚¬μš©ν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ 당신을 μ‚¬μš©ν•  μˆ˜λ„ 있고, μƒλŒ€λ°©μ΄
38:28
first impressions of you against them.
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당신에 λŒ€ν•΄ κ°–λŠ” 첫인상을 μ‚¬μš©ν•  μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:32
So every now and then YouTube will suggest these chess videos to me.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 가끔 YouTubeμ—μ„œ λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ 체슀 λ™μ˜μƒμ„ μΆ”μ²œν•΄ μ€λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:36
Anna: Oh, right.
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38:36
Luke: And it's, there's a girl, I can't remember her name now, unfortunately,
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: 그리고 거기에 ν•œ μ—¬μžμ•„μ΄κ°€ μžˆλŠ”λ°, μ•ˆνƒ€κΉκ²Œλ„ μ§€κΈˆμ€ 이름이 κΈ°μ–΅λ‚˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
38:39
but she is sort of in her twenties.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έ μ—¬μžλŠ” 20λŒ€μ―€ λ˜λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
38:42
I think both her parents were chess grandmasters.
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λ‚΄ 생각에 κ·Έλ…€μ˜ λΆ€λͺ¨λ‹˜μ€ λͺ¨λ‘ 체슀 κ·Έλžœλ“œλ§ˆμŠ€ν„°μ˜€λ˜ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
38:45
Anna: Right.
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38:45
Luke: And so she's fairly like, so she goes to these chess games in the park,
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ€ 곡원에 μžˆλŠ” 체슀 κ²Œμž„μ— κ°€λŠ” νŽΈμ΄μ—μš”.
38:50
you know, in like New York or other cities in the States where there are
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λ‰΄μš•μ΄λ‚˜ 미ꡭ의 λ‹€λ₯Έ λ„μ‹œμ— κ°€λ©΄
38:53
these guys who spend their whole day there playing chess with each other.
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ν•˜λ£¨ 쒅일 μ„œλ‘œ 체슀λ₯Ό λ‘λŠ” λ‚¨μžλ“€μ΄ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
38:57
And they do a lot of like trash talking.
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그리고 그듀은 μ“°λ ˆκΈ° 같은 말을 많이 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:00
While they're playing the game, these guys are trash talking and sort
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그듀이 κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•˜λŠ” λ™μ•ˆ, 이 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ μ—‰λš±ν•œ 말을 ν•˜κ³ ,
39:04
of, you know, bantering and sort of talking up their game quite a lot.
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농담을 ν•˜κ³ , κ·Έλ“€μ˜ κ²Œμž„μ— λŒ€ν•΄ κ½€ λ§Žμ€ 이야기λ₯Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:09
And this girl comes in, she doesn't look like she's gonna be a chess grandmaster.
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그리고 이 μ†Œλ…€κ°€ λ“€μ–΄μ™”λŠ”λ°, κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 체슀 κ·Έλžœλ“œλ§ˆμŠ€ν„°κ°€ 될 것 같지 μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:14
And so these guys are super confident and they totally underestimate her
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 이 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ 맀우 μžμ‹ κ°μ΄ λ„˜μΉ˜κ³  κ·Έλ…€λ₯Ό μ™„μ „νžˆ κ³Όμ†Œν‰κ°€
39:18
and they trash talk her and stuff.
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ν•˜κ³  κ·Έλ…€μ—κ²Œ μš•μ„€μ„ νΌλΆ“μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:20
And she like gives quite a good trash talk back.
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그리고 κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ½€ 쒋은 μ“°λ ˆκΈ° 이야기λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:22
It's really interesting to watch.
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λ³΄λŠ” 것은 정말 ν₯λ―Έ λ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:24
I don't really, I don't understand what's going on on the board, you can
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잘 λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ³΄λ“œμ—μ„œ 무슨 일이 μΌμ–΄λ‚˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€ μ΄ν•΄ν•˜μ§€ λͺ»ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:27
see the board on the screen as well.
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ν™”λ©΄μ—μ„œλ„ λ³΄λ“œλ₯Ό λ³Ό 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:30
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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39:30
Luke: I don't understand it.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
루크: 이해가 μ•ˆ λΌμš”.
39:31
I can't work out the moves, but it's interesting just to see the behaviour
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λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έ μ›€μ§μž„μ„ μ•Œμ•„λ‚Ό μˆ˜λŠ” μ—†μ§€λ§Œ,
39:35
of these opponents of hers change where they're like giving it...
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κ·Έλ…€μ˜ λ°˜λŒ€μžλ“€μ˜ 행동이 그듀이 μ›ν•˜λŠ” λ°©ν–₯으둜 λ°”λ€ŒλŠ” 것을 λ³΄λŠ” κ²ƒλ§ŒμœΌλ‘œλ„ ν₯λ―Έλ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€...
39:39
Anna: The realisation.
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Anna: κΉ¨λ‹¬μŒ.
39:40
Luke: Yeah, they're giving it all this really, really overconfident talk.
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루크: 응, κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ 정말 λ„ˆλ¬΄ κ³Όμ‹ ν•œ 말을 ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ„€.
39:44
And then after about five or six moves, they changed totally.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹€κ°€ 5~ 6개 정도 움직이고 λ‚˜λ©΄ μ™„μ „νžˆ λ‹¬λΌμ‘Œμ–΄μš”.
39:48
And they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be difficult.
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그리고 그듀은 '였, 였, 였, 였, 였, 이건 μ–΄λ €μšΈ κ±°μ•Ό, μ–΄λ €μšΈ κ±°μ•Ό'라고 ν•˜λ”κ΅°μš”.
39:51
Oh, this is gonna be difficult.
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μ•„, 이거 νž˜λ“€κ² λ‹€.
39:52
Oh, you don't move on me now.
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μ•„, 이제 λ‚˜ν•œν…Œ λ‹€κ°€μ˜€μ§€ 마.
39:54
You know, all this kind of thing.
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό 이런 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ λͺ¨λ“  κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
39:55
And it's just really funny to see the interaction and to see how they deal with
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그리고 μƒν˜Έ μž‘μš©μ„ 보고
40:00
the fact that actually she's really good.
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μ‹€μ œλ‘œ κ·Έλ…€κ°€ 정말 ν›Œλ₯­ν•˜λ‹€λŠ” 사싀을 그듀이 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ‹€λ£¨λŠ”μ§€ λ³΄λŠ” 것은 정말 μž¬λ°ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:02
And often it's only within about four or five moves that they can work out that
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그리고 μ’…μ’… 그듀이 κ·Έλ…€κ°€ μ •λ§λ‘œ μžμ‹ μ΄ 무엇을 ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€ μ•Œκ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œμ•„λ‚Ό 수 μžˆλŠ” 것은 λŒ€λž΅ 4~ 5개 μ •λ„μ˜ λ™μž‘ 내에 있으며,
40:07
she's really, she really knows what she's doing and they work it out just when
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그듀은 단지
40:10
the within a few moves and you think, my God, the way these guys are playing,
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λͺ‡ λ™μž‘ 내에 그것을 ν•΄κ²°ν•˜λ©°, λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬, 이 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•˜λŠ” 방식이라고 생각할 λ•Œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. ,
40:13
they're just like thinking so far ahead.
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그듀은 μ§€κΈˆκΉŒμ§€ μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:16
You know all the possibilities.
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당신은 λͺ¨λ“  κ°€λŠ₯성을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:17
It is like kind of like you have to have a very mathematical mind in a way
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μ΄λŠ” 마치
40:20
to be able to do all these different algorithms and calculations all instantly.
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λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ μ•Œκ³ λ¦¬μ¦˜κ³Ό 계산을 λͺ¨λ‘ μ¦‰κ°μ μœΌλ‘œ μˆ˜ν–‰ν•  수 있으렀면 맀우 μˆ˜ν•™μ  사고λ ₯이 μžˆμ–΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:25
Amazing.
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40:25
Yeah.
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λ†€λΌμš΄.
응.
40:26
Anna: So it's like being, what's the term?
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Anna: 마치 μ‘΄μž¬ν•˜λŠ” 것과 같은 κ±°μ£ . μš©μ–΄κ°€ λ¬΄μ—‡μΈκ°€μš”?
40:28
Like being a card shark.
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μΉ΄λ“œ 상어가 λ˜λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:29
If someone or, there's a term, or like when people come in to play pool and
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€ λ˜λŠ” μš©μ–΄κ°€ μžˆκ±°λ‚˜ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 당ꡬλ₯Ό 치러 μ™€μ„œ
40:34
they put some money down and say...
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λˆμ„ μ’€ κ±Έκ³  μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ λ§ν•œλ‹€λ©΄...
40:35
Luke: Hustler.
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Luke: Hustler.
40:36
Anna: A hustler.
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40:36
That's it.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ‚¬κΈ°κΎΌμ΄μš”.
그게 λ‹€μ•Ό.
40:37
You can hustle people and be like, oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing,
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μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ λ°”μ˜κ²Œ λ§Œλ“€λ©΄μ„œ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ 말할 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ•„, λ‚΄κ°€ 뭘 ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€λŠ” 잘 λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ§€λ§Œ,
40:40
but let's put a hundred pounds on it.
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100νŒŒμš΄λ“œλ₯Ό νˆ¬μžν•˜μž.
40:41
A hundred pounds?
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100νŒŒμš΄λ“œ?
40:42
Yeah, sure.
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응, 물둠이지.
40:43
And then you're like, I'm amazing.
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그러면 당신은 'λ‚˜λŠ” 정말 λŒ€λ‹¨ν•΄μš”'라고 λ§ν•˜μ£ .
40:44
I'm gonna win.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 이길 것이닀.
40:45
Luke: Yeah.
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40:45
Or you lose your first game on purpose and you're like, you
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루크: 응.
μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ 고의둜 첫 κ²Œμž„μ—μ„œ 쑌고,
40:48
know what, I wanna try again.
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λ‹€μ‹œ 해보고 μ‹Άλ‹€λŠ” 생각이 λ“€ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:49
You know, I'm enjoying this.
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μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, λ‚˜λŠ” 이것을 즐기고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
40:50
Let's raise the stakes.
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νŒλˆμ„ λ†’μ΄μž.
40:51
Let's do it for $500 this time.
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μ΄λ²ˆμ—λŠ” 500λ‹¬λŸ¬λ‘œ ν•΄λ³΄μž.
40:53
And they're like, sure, okay.
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그리고 그듀은 마치, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ , κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
40:54
If you really want to, you know, maybe I can teach you a thing or two.
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μ •λ§λ‘œ μ›ν•œλ‹€λ©΄ μ œκ°€ ν•œλ‘ 가지λ₯Ό κ°€λ₯΄μ³ λ“œλ¦΄ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆκ² λ„€μš”.
40:57
And then they really raise their game and suddenly they've made
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그리고 λ‚˜μ„œ 그듀은 μ •λ§λ‘œ μ‹€λ ₯을 ν–₯μƒμ‹œμΌ°κ³  κ°‘μžκΈ°
41:00
loads of money from those people.
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κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€λ‘œλΆ€ν„° λ§Žμ€ λˆμ„ λ²Œμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:01
Yeah.
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응.
41:02
Anna: Pow!
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41:02
Talking about money, how much do you think the most expensive
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: νŽ‘!
λˆμ— κ΄€ν•΄ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•˜μžλ©΄,
41:06
chessboard in the world is?
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μ„Έκ³„μ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ λΉ„μ‹Ό 체슀판이 μ–Όλ§ˆλΌκ³  μƒκ°ν•˜μ‹œλ‚˜μš”?
41:08
'Cause you can get all sorts of different, like gorgeous chess
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μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ 멋진 체슀판처럼 μ˜¨κ°– μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ 것을 얻을 수
41:11
boards, but what's the most expensive?
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μžˆμ§€λ§Œ κ°€μž₯ λΉ„μ‹Ό 것은 λ¬΄μ—‡μΌκΉŒμš”?
41:13
Luke: The most expensive chess board in the world?
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루크: μ„Έμƒμ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ λΉ„μ‹Ό μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ΄μš”?
41:16
Anna: In dollars, let's do it in dollars.
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μ•„λ‚˜: λ‹¬λŸ¬λ‘œ ν•©μ‹œλ‹€. λ‹¬λŸ¬λ‘œ ν•©μ‹œλ‹€.
41:17
Luke: I dunno.
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루크: λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”.
41:18
I mean, we talked about the most expensive Monopoly board being...
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λ‚΄ 말은, μš°λ¦¬κ°€ κ°€μž₯ λΉ„μ‹Ό 독점 λ³΄λ“œμ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•œ 것은...
41:20
Anna: Which was crazy.
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Anna: 정말 말도 μ•ˆ λ˜λŠ” μΌμ΄μ—ˆμ£ .
41:22
Luke: $2 million.
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루크: 200만 λ‹¬λŸ¬μš”.
41:23
I think the chess board's gonna be more, I'd say it's gonna be $5 million.
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λ‚΄ 생각에 μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ€ κ·Έ 이상일 것 같은데, 500만 λ‹¬λŸ¬λŠ” 될 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
41:27
All made of pure diamond,
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λͺ¨λ‘ μˆœμˆ˜ν•œ 닀이아λͺ¬λ“œλ‘œ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ‘Œμ–΄μš”,
41:30
Anna: You can double that or just about double it.
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Anna: 두 배둜 늘릴 μˆ˜λ„ 있고 두 배둜 늘릴 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
41:33
$9.8 million is the most expensive.
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980만 λ‹¬λŸ¬κ°€ κ°€μž₯ λΉ„μŒ‰λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:36
It's a Jewel Royale chessboard.
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Jewel Royale μ²΄μŠ€νŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:40
And the pieces are obviously quite heavy.
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그리고 κ·Έ 쑰각듀은 ν™•μ‹€νžˆ μƒλ‹Ήνžˆ λ¬΄κ²μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:43
They're made of pure gold.
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그것듀은 순금으둜 λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ‘ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:45
So they're not gold plated.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κΈˆλ„κΈˆμ΄ λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:46
Luke: Wow.
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41:46
Anna: They made a pure gold and encrusted with diamonds and other precious gems.
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루크: μ™€μš°.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그듀은 μˆœκΈˆμ„ λ§Œλ“€κ³  닀이아λͺ¬λ“œμ™€ λ‹€λ₯Έ κ·€μ€‘ν•œ λ³΄μ„λ“€λ‘œ μž₯μ‹ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
41:51
Luke: Jesus!
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루크: λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬!
41:52
Anna: And it all, it would probably be like too magnificent to play with.
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Anna: 그리고 κ·Έ λͺ¨λ“  것은 μ•„λ§ˆλ„ 가지고 λ†€κΈ°μ—λŠ” λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ›…μž₯ν•  κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
41:55
You just look at it, keep it in a locked cabinet.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ 보기만 ν•˜κ³  잠긴 캐비닛에 λ³΄κ΄€ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
41:59
Luke: It does raise the question, why buy that if you're not even gonna, like,
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루크: 그건 정말 의문이 λ“€μ£ . ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•  생각 도 μ—†κ³ 
42:02
it's an object that's designed to be played and you're just gonna leave it.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ λ†”λ‘˜ 생각도 μ•„λ‹Œλ° μ™œ κ·Έκ±Έ μ‚¬λ‚˜μš”?
42:06
Anna: Well, it'd be a statement, wouldn't it?
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Anna: κΈ€μŽ„μš”, 그것은 μ„±λͺ…이겠죠, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
42:07
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
42:08
Anna: Don't touch the chessboard.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ„ λ§Œμ§€μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”.
42:11
Very good.
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42:11
I do like to have a nice chessboard.
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맀우 쒋은.
λ‚˜λŠ” 쒋은 μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ„ κ°–κ³  μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:13
I have bought chessboards as gifts for people.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ μœ„ν•œ μ„ λ¬Όλ‘œ μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ„ μƒ€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:15
I think it is something nice to have in the house.
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집에 ν•˜λ‚˜μ―€ 있으면 쒋은 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
42:17
Just, you know, like having a globe.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ 지ꡬ본을 κ°–λŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:20
Luke: Yeah.
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42:20
Anna: In the house, which, you know, opens up to reveal the drink.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό μ§‘μ—μ„œ 음료수λ₯Ό κ³΅κ°œν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ 문을 μ—½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:25
Luke: Yeah.
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42:25
Anna: I don't drink very much anymore, but I used to have one of those.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ €λŠ” 더 이상 μˆ μ„ 많이 λ§ˆμ‹œμ§€ μ•Šμ§€λ§Œ, μ˜ˆμ „μ—λŠ” 그런 μˆ μ„ λ§ˆμ…¨λ˜ 적이 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
42:28
Luke: Yeah.
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42:28
Anna: Having a nice chessboard.
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루크: 응.
μ•„λ‚˜: 멋진 μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ„ 가지고 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
42:29
I think they, these are just nice pieces of, not furniture, but
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제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” 이것듀은 가ꡬ가 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ
42:32
things to have around the house.
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집 주변에 가지고 μžˆλŠ” 쒋은 물건듀일 λΏμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:33
Luke: Absolutely.
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루크: 물둠이죠.
42:34
Yeah.
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42:34
Chessboards, they can be very beautiful things indeed.
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응.
μ²΄μŠ€νŒμ€ 정말 μ•„λ¦„λ‹€μš΄ 것일 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:36
That's true.
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그것은 사싀이닀.
42:37
And there's something very satisfying about the objects if
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그리고 물건이 μ•„μ£Ό λ©‹μ§€κ²Œ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ§€λ©΄ κ·Έ 물건에 λŒ€ν•΄ 맀우 만쑱슀러운 점이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
42:40
they're very nicely made, yeah.
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. λ„€.
42:42
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
42:43
And another classic, of course, which we talked about on your podcast is Monopoly.
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λ¬Όλ‘  μš°λ¦¬κ°€ κ·€ν•˜μ˜ νŒŸμΊμŠ€νŠΈμ—μ„œ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•œ 또 λ‹€λ₯Έ 고전은 Monopolyμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
42:48
Now, I'm not gonna go deep into this, but this is the kind of game that can
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μžμ„Ένžˆ μ„€λͺ…ν•˜μ§€λŠ” μ•Šκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 이 κ²Œμž„μ€
42:52
really bring families together and teach them some really good lessons, but also
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가쑱을 ν•˜λ‚˜λ‘œ λͺ¨μœΌκ³  정말 쒋은 κ΅ν›ˆμ„ κ°€λ₯΄μΉ  수 μžˆμ§€λ§Œ,
42:56
has a reputation for tearing families apart and causing horrendous arguments.
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가쑱을 λΆ„μ—΄μ‹œν‚€κ³  λ”μ°ν•œ λ…ΌμŸμ„ λΆˆλŸ¬μΌμœΌν‚€λŠ” κ²ƒμœΌλ‘œλ„ μ•…λͺ… 높은 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ κ²Œμž„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:02
But there is a really interesting fact about Monopoly that we didn't
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ˜ νŒŸμΊμŠ€νŠΈμ—μ„œ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 닀루지 μ•Šμ€ Monopoly에 κ΄€ν•œ 정말 ν₯미둜운 사싀이 μžˆμœΌλ―€λ‘œ
43:05
cover in your podcast, so it might be good to touch on now.
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μ§€κΈˆλΆ€ν„° μ‚΄νŽ΄λ³΄λŠ” 것이 쒋을 것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:08
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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루크: 음-흠.
43:09
Anna: In World War II, the Nazis let allied prisoners, prisoners
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 제2μ°¨ 세계 λŒ€μ „ λ‹Ήμ‹œ λ‚˜μΉ˜λŠ” μ—°ν•©κ΅° 포둜,
43:14
of war, play board games.
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μ „μŸ ν¬λ‘œλ“€μ΄ λ³΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•˜λŠ” 것을 ν—ˆμš©ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:16
Luke: That's nice of them.
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루크: κ·Έκ±° μ’‹λ„€μš”.
43:17
Anna: Yeah, it's very nice of them.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 정말 쒋은 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄μ•Ό.
43:18
Luke: How nice of them.
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루크: 정말 μΉœμ ˆν•˜λ„€μš”.
43:19
Anna: So the British government was even allowed to send some of these games
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 영ꡭ μ •λΆ€λŠ” 투μ˜₯된 κ΅°μΈλ“€μ—κ²Œ μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 일뢀λ₯Ό λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” 것도 ν—ˆμš©ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
43:23
to the soldiers who were incarcerated.
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.
43:26
So, the government kind of worked with the game producers.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ •λΆ€λŠ” κ²Œμž„ μ œμž‘μžμ™€ ν˜‘λ ₯ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:31
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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43:31
Anna: To hide items and like real money within the game.
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루크: 음-흠.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ²Œμž„ λ‚΄μ—μ„œ μ•„μ΄ν…œμ„ 숨기고 μ§„μ§œ λˆμ„ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
43:37
So in the stash of paper money, they'd hide real bills.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 그듀은 지폐 속에 μ§„μ§œ 지폐λ₯Ό μˆ¨κ²ΌμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:40
Luke: Okay.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
43:41
Anna: And then rather than the kind of the tokens, the pieces that you'd
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 ν† ν°μ˜ μ’…λ₯˜,
43:44
play with, they gave them like little things that they could use to escape,
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가지고 놀 수 μžˆλŠ” μ‘°κ°λ³΄λ‹€λŠ” νƒˆμΆœμ— μ‚¬μš©ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” μž‘μ€ 물건,
43:49
like, lock picks and things like that.
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예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄ μžλ¬Όμ‡  λ”°κΈ° 같은 것듀을 μ£Όμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:50
Luke: Oh my gosh.
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루크: λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬.
43:51
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
43:52
And files so they could like file their way out of their chains or whatever,
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그리고 νŒŒμΌμ€ μ²΄μΈμ΄λ‚˜ 기타 λ‹€λ₯Έ κ³³μ—μ„œ λ‚˜κ°ˆ 수 μžˆλ„λ‘ νŒŒμΌμ„ μ •λ¦¬ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
43:56
Luke: Sort of like hidden within the within the box or
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Luke: μƒμž μ•ˆμ—λ‚˜
43:59
within the board or something.
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λ³΄λ“œ μ•ˆμ— 숨겨져 μžˆλŠ” 것과 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:00
Or even the little items themselves could be used to like file away
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μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ μž‘μ€ 물건 μžμ²΄λ„ 감μ˜₯ 같은 곳의 창살을 μ •λ¦¬ν•˜λŠ” 데 μ‚¬μš©ν•  수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
44:05
the bars of a jail or something.
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.
44:07
Anna: It says here, oh compasses.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ—¬κΈ°μ—” 였, λ‚˜μΉ¨λ°˜μ΄λΌκ³  μ“°μ—¬ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
44:09
Luke: Wow.
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루크: μ™€μš°.
44:10
And they actually used them to escape.
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그리고 그듀은 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 그것을 νƒˆμΆœμ— μ‚¬μš©ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:12
That's, yeah, incredible.
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정말 λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:14
Anna: Okay, so I'm gonna move on quickly 'cause I know that
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Anna: μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 빨리 λ„˜μ–΄κ°€κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ . μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄
44:16
you are pressed for time.
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당신이 μ‹œκ°„μ— μ«“κΈ°κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμœΌλ‹ˆκΉŒμš”.
44:18
I love that expression.
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λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έ ν‘œν˜„μ„ μ’‹μ•„ν•œλ‹€.
44:19
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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44:19
Anna: To be pressed for time.
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루크: 음-흠.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ‹œκ°„μ΄ λΆ€μ‘±ν•΄μ„œμš”.
44:20
You are running short on it.
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당신은 그것이 λΆ€μ‘±ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:21
Luke: Yeah.
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44:21
Anna: So, some of the more unusual games that I would still call classics because
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루크: 응.
Anna: 그럼, μ œκ°€ μ—¬μ „νžˆ 고전이라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ” μ’€ 더 νŠΉμ΄ν•œ κ²Œμž„λ“€μ΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄
44:26
they were a big part of my childhood.
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그것듀은 제 μ–΄λ¦° μ‹œμ ˆμ˜ 큰 뢀뢄을 μ°¨μ§€ν–ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:29
The first is Kerplunk.
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첫 λ²ˆμ§ΈλŠ” Kerplunkμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:30
Did you ever play Kerplunk?
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Kerplunkλ₯Ό ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•΄λ³Έ 적이 μžˆλ‚˜μš”?
44:32
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
44:33
Yeah.
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44:33
We had a Kerplunk game at my grandma's house.
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응.
ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆ μ§‘μ—μ„œ Kerplunk κ²Œμž„μ„ ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
44:35
Anna: Yeah, and this is quite unusual.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 그리고 이건 κ½€ νŠΉμ΄ν•œ 일이야.
44:37
It's not a typical board game, although it is listed as a board game.
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λ³΄λ“œκ²Œμž„μœΌλ‘œ λ“±λ‘λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμ§€λ§Œ 일반적인 λ³΄λ“œκ²Œμž„μ€ μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:40
It's like a plastic tube with, and you shove loads of plastic
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그것은 마치 ν”ŒλΌμŠ€ν‹± νŠœλΈŒμ™€ κ°™μœΌλ©°, 튜브λ₯Ό 막기 μœ„ν•΄ μˆ˜λ§Žμ€ ν”ŒλΌμŠ€ν‹± λΉ¨λŒ€λ₯Ό λ°€μ–΄λ„£μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
44:44
straws to block the tube.
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.
44:46
And then...
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그리고...
44:47
Luke: Yeah.
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44:47
Lots of, yeah...
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루크: λ„€.
많이, λ„€...
44:49
Anna: Yeah.
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44:49
Luke: Loads of plastic needles kind of thing stuck inside
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Anna: λ„€.
루크: 튜브의 μž‘μ€ ꡬ멍 μ•ˆμ— ν”ŒλΌμŠ€ν‹± λ°”λŠ˜ 같은 것이 μž”λœ© λΆ™μ–΄ μžˆμ–΄μš”
44:51
little holes in the tube.
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.
44:53
Anna: Yeah.
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44:53
Yeah.
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44:53
Very long ones.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
응.
맀우 κΈ΄ 것듀.
44:54
And they're not sharp, are they?
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그리고 날카둭지 μ•Šμ£ ?
44:55
They're child safe.
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μ–΄λ¦°μ΄μ—κ²Œ μ•ˆμ „ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
44:57
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
44:58
Anna: And then you, and they block the way to the bottom of this like tube, and
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 λ‹Ήμ‹ κ³Ό 그듀은 튜브처럼 λ°”λ‹₯으둜 κ°€λŠ” 길을 막고, κ·Έ
45:02
then you pour loads of marbles in the top.
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κΌ­λŒ€κΈ°μ— κ΅¬μŠ¬μ„ μž”λœ© λΆ“μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:04
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
45:05
Anna: And then the idea is to remove these kind of straws or needles
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 λ‚˜μ„œ μ•„μ΄λ””μ–΄λŠ” κ΅¬μŠ¬μ„ ν•˜λ‚˜λ„ 빼내지 μ•Šκ³  이런 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ λΉ¨λŒ€λ‚˜ λ°”λŠ˜μ„ μ œκ±°ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
45:09
without dislodging any of the marbles.
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.
45:12
And at some point you remove a needle and some marbles come crashing down.
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그리고 μ–΄λŠ μ‹œμ μ—μ„œ λ°”λŠ˜μ„ μ œκ±°ν•˜λ©΄ ꡬ슬 λͺ‡ κ°œκ°€ λ–¨μ–΄μ Έ λ‚˜μ˜΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:16
But that's not the end of the game.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그것이 κ²Œμž„μ˜ 끝이 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:17
It's only the end when all the marbles have fallen.
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λͺ¨λ“  ꡬ슬이 떨어지면 λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:20
Luke: Yeah.
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45:20
Anna: So you have to get to the end without having too many marbles.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆκΉŒ κ΅¬μŠ¬μ„ λ„ˆλ¬΄ 많이 넣지 μ•Šκ³  λκΉŒμ§€ κ°€μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
45:23
Luke: If you're the one who lets the last marble fall, you lose.
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루크: λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰ κ΅¬μŠ¬μ„ λ–¨μ–΄λœ¨λ¦¬λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ 당신이라면 νŒ¨λ°°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:27
Yeah.
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응.
45:28
Yeah.
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45:28
Anna: Yeah.
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45:28
Luke: So it's kind of along the lines of like the Jenga, you
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응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆκΉŒ 이건
45:32
know, game that everyone knows.
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λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ μ•„λŠ” μ  κ°€ κ²Œμž„κ³Ό λΉ„μŠ·ν•œ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
45:34
Jenga.
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45:34
And also there's another one where you have these sticks with different colours
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μ  κ°€.
그리고 λ˜ν•œ λ‹€λ₯Έ μƒ‰μƒμ˜ λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ₯Ό 가지고
45:38
and you let the sticks all fall in a pile and then you have to pick up the sticks
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λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ₯Ό λͺ¨λ‘ λ”λ―Έλ‘œ λ–¨μ–΄λœ¨λ¦° λ‹€μŒ
45:42
without letting the other sticks move.
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λ‹€λ₯Έ λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ₯Ό 움직이지 μ•Šκ³  λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ₯Ό 집어 λ“€μ–΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” 또 λ‹€λ₯Έ κ²Œμž„λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:45
Anna: Oh, I haven't played that one.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ•„, μ €λŠ” κ·Έ 곑을 μ—°μ£Όν•΄ λ³Έ 적이 μ—†μ–΄μš”.
45:47
Luke: Yeah, they play it in France quite a lot.
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루크: λ„€, ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ—μ„œλŠ” κ½€ 많이 μ—°μ£Όν•΄μš”.
45:49
So you get a bunch of these sticks.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 당신은 이 λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ“€μ„ μž”λœ© μ–»κ²Œ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:50
They've got different colours on them that represent different points.
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μ„œλ‘œ λ‹€λ₯Έ 점을 λ‚˜νƒ€λ‚΄λŠ” μ„œλ‘œ λ‹€λ₯Έ 색상이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
45:54
Anna: Right.
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45:54
Luke: Some of them are more valuable than others, and you have to very
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κ·Έλ ‡μ£ .
루크: 그쀑 μΌλΆ€λŠ” λ‹€λ₯Έ 것보닀 더 κ°€μΉ˜κ°€ λ†’κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— λ‹€λ₯Έ λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°κ°€ 움직이지 μ•Šκ²Œ
45:57
carefully take the sticks away from the pile without letting the others move.
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μ‘°μ‹¬μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ λ”λ―Έμ—μ„œ λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°λ₯Ό κΊΌλ‚΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
46:02
And it's really interesting.
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정말 ν₯λ―Έλ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:03
You can use other sticks to help you prise them off.
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λ‹€λ₯Έ μŠ€ν‹±μ„ μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ—¬ μƒκΈˆμ„ 받을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:05
Anna: Ahh.
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46:05
Luke: They've got pointed ends, so you can press your finger down on the end and
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•„μ•„.
루크: 끝이 λΎ°μ‘±ν•΄μ„œ 끝 뢀뢄을 μ†κ°€λ½μœΌλ‘œ λˆ„λ₯΄λ©΄
46:10
it makes the stick lift off the table.
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λ§‰λŒ€κΈ°κ°€ ν…Œμ΄λΈ”μ—μ„œ λ“€μ–΄μ˜¬λ €μ§‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:12
But it's not really a pub game because if you've had a couple of drinks, then you're
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 이것은 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ μˆ μ§‘ κ²Œμž„μ΄ μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ μˆ μ„ 두어 μž” λ§ˆμ…¨λ‹€λ©΄ '
46:17
like, oh, let's play the stick game.
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μ•„, μŠ€ν‹± κ²Œμž„μ„ ν•˜μž'λŠ” 생각이 λ“€κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:19
And then, you know, you've got to be very careful when you play it.
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그리고 μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•  λ•Œ 맀우 쑰심해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:23
Anna: Is it called Pick Up Sticks?
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν”½μ—… μŠ€ν‹±(Pick Up Sticks)이라고 ν•˜λ‚˜μš”?
46:25
Luke: I can't remember.
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46:25
Maybe, maybe, maybe that's the UK version.
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루크: 기얡이 μ•ˆ λ‚˜λ„€μš”.
μ–΄μ©Œλ©΄, μ•„λ§ˆλ„, μ•„λ§ˆλ„ 그것은 영ꡭ 버전일 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:28
I dunno, I can't remember what they call it in France now.
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λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄μš”. μ§€κΈˆμ€ ν”„λž‘μŠ€μ—μ„œ 뭐라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ”지 기얡이 μ•ˆ λ‚˜λ„€μš”.
46:30
Anna: Well, the being very careful reminds me of one of my most fun games
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Anna: 음, μ•„μ£Ό μ‘°μ‹¬μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ ν–‰λ™ν•˜λ‹€ λ³΄λ‹ˆ μ–΄λ¦° μ‹œμ ˆ κ°€μž₯ μž¬λ―Έμžˆμ—ˆλ˜ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€
46:35
of my childhood is the game of Operation.
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Operation κ²Œμž„μ΄ μƒκ°λ‚˜λ„€μš”.
46:38
Luke: Oh, God.
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루크: 였, λ§™μ†Œμ‚¬.
46:39
Can't stand it.
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참을 수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:41
Anna: What, do you get nervous?
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μ•„λ‚˜: 뭐, κΈ΄μž₯λ˜μš”?
46:42
Luke: Just can't stand Operation.
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루크: μž‘μ „μ„ 참을 μˆ˜κ°€ μ—†μ–΄μš”.
46:44
Can't do it.
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46:44
Anna: Why?
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ν•  수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ™œμš”?
46:45
Luke: It's just horrible.
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루크: 정말 λ”μ°ν•΄μš”.
46:47
Like, I don't know.
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κΈ€μŽ„μš”.
46:48
Again, maybe I had a bad experience of playing it with other kids when I
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λ‹€μ‹œ λ§ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ, μ œκ°€ 어렸을 λ•Œ λ‹€λ₯Έ 아이듀과 ν•¨κ»˜ κ²Œμž„μ„ ν–ˆλ˜ λ‚˜μœ κ²½ν—˜μ΄ μžˆμ—ˆμ„ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
46:51
was young and it was just, you know, one of those times when you're at
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46:53
someone's house and it was horrible.
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€μ˜ 집에 μžˆμ„ λ•Œ 정말 λ”μ°ν•œ μΌμ΄μ—ˆμ£ .
46:56
But nah, nah, no.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 아냐, 아냐, 아냐.
46:58
Anna: One very fun game that I'm sure you would like is Hungry Hippos.
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Anna: 당신이 μ’‹μ•„ν•  μ•„μ£Ό μž¬λ―ΈμžˆλŠ” κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” Hungry Hipposμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:02
Luke: Hungry Hippos.
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루크: λ°°κ³ ν”ˆ ν•˜λ§ˆ.
47:03
Yeah.
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응.
47:04
It's fun to an extent.
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μ–΄λŠ 정도 μž¬λ―ΈμžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:07
Anna: Well, as much as bashing on a lever.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: κΈ€μŽ„μš”, λ ˆλ²„λ₯Ό λ‘λ“œλ¦¬λŠ” 정도죠.
47:08
Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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루크: 탕, 탕, 탕, 탕, 탕, 탕, 탕.
47:10
Yeah.
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47:10
Bang, bang, bang.
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응.
λΉ΅μ•Ό λΉ΅μ•Ό λΉ΅μ•Ό.
47:11
Get the hippos to eat all of the red balls.
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ν•˜λ§ˆμ—κ²Œ λΉ¨κ°„ 곡을 λͺ¨λ‘ 먹게 ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
47:13
If they get yellow balls, that's even better.
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λ…Έλž€μƒ‰ 곡이 λ‚˜μ˜€λ©΄ 더 μ’‹μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:17
Right?
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47:17
Because there's red balls and a couple of yellow balls in there
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였λ₯Έμͺ½? κ±°κΈ°μ—λŠ”
λΉ¨κ°„ 곡과 두 개의 λ…Έλž€μƒ‰ 곡도 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ—
47:19
too, which are worth more points.
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더 λ§Žμ€ 점수λ₯Ό 얻을 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:21
And dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, that's good for, for me now 10 minutes
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그리고 λŒ•λŒ•λŒ•λŒ•λŒ•λŒ•λŒ•, κ·Έκ±° μ’‹λ„€μš”. μ§€κΈˆμ€ μ΅œλŒ€ 10λΆ„ 정도가 μ œκ°€ ν• 
47:26
maximum is all I can ta ta ta ta.
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수 μžˆλŠ” μ „λΆ€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:28
And then I'm like, ah, you know what, let's, can we just,
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹€κ°€ μ €λŠ” 'μ•„, 그럼 우리
47:31
can we play Monopoly instead?
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λŒ€μ‹  Monopolyλ₯Ό ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•˜λ©΄ μ•ˆ 될까?'라고 μƒκ°ν–ˆμ£ .
47:32
Anna: Yeah, my sons love to play it over and over and over again.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€, 제 아듀듀은 κ³„μ†ν•΄μ„œ κ³„μ†ν•΄μ„œ μ—°μ£Όν•˜λŠ” κ±Έ μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
47:35
But then they also like stashing.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 그듀은 λ˜ν•œ μˆ¨κΈ°λŠ” 것을 μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:37
So at one point, my two year old would just start taking the marbles while
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ–΄λŠ μ‹œμ μ—μ„œλŠ” μ œκ°€
47:41
I'm playing with my four year old and putting them in different places.
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4μ‚΄ 아이와 놀고 λ‹€λ₯Έ 곳에 λ†“μ•„λ‘λŠ” λ™μ•ˆ 2μ‚΄ 아이가 κ΅¬μŠ¬μ„ κ°€μ Έκ°€κΈ° μ‹œμž‘ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
47:44
Like one in the kitchen.
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λΆ€μ—Œμ— μžˆλŠ” 것 μ²˜λŸΌμš”.
47:46
Luke: Yeah.
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47:46
Anna: One inside the crocodile's mouth.
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루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•…μ–΄ μž… μ•ˆμ— ν•˜λ‚˜ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
47:47
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
47:48
Anna: One in the cupboard.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” μ°¬μž₯에 μžˆμ–΄μš”.
47:49
And I'm just like, where have all the marbles gone?
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그리고 μ €λŠ” 마치, κ·Έ κ΅¬μŠ¬λ“€μ€ λ‹€ μ–΄λ””λ‘œ κ°”λ‚˜μš”?
47:51
What's happened?
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무슨 일이 μΌμ–΄λ‚¬λ‚˜μš”?
47:52
Luke: Another reason why the game makes me uncomfortable.
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루크: κ²Œμž„μ΄ λ‚˜λ₯Ό λΆˆνŽΈν•˜κ²Œ λ§Œλ“œλŠ” 또 λ‹€λ₯Έ μ΄μœ λ‹€.
47:54
Just it's quite a messy game.
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κ·Έλƒ₯ μ’€ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•œ κ²Œμž„μ΄μ—μš”.
47:56
It's just, uh...
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κ·Έλƒ₯, μ–΄...
47:57
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
47:58
Luke: No, it makes me a bit uncomfortable.
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루크: μ•„λ‹ˆ, μ’€ λΆˆνŽΈν•΄μš”.
48:00
Uncomfortable and stressed.
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λΆˆνŽΈν•˜κ³  슀트레슀λ₯Ό λ°›μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:01
A bit like Operation.
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μž‘μ „κ³Ό 쑰금 λΉ„μŠ·ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:03
Anna: Yes.
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48:03
Well, one very messy game that you might not have heard of is Monster Mash.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€.
κΈ€μŽ„μš”, μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ λ“€μ–΄λ³Έ 적이 없을 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆλŠ” 맀우 μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•œ κ²Œμž„ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ Monster Mashμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:07
Luke: No, don't know it, no.
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루크: μ•„λ‹ˆ, λͺ¨λ₯΄κ² μ–΄, μ•„λ‹ˆ.
48:09
Anna: So I've never been able to find this, but we played it as kids, and it's
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Anna: κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” 이것을 찾을 수 μ—†μ—ˆμ§€λ§Œ , μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 어렸을 λ•Œ 그것을 가지고 λ†€μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:12
basically you each have a big lump of Play-Doh with a monster's head stuck
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기본적으둜 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„ κ°μžλŠ” κΌ­λŒ€κΈ°μ— 괴물의 머리가 λ°•ν˜€ μžˆλŠ” 큰 λ©μ–΄λ¦¬μ˜ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°λ₯Ό 가지고
48:16
in the top, and that's your piece.
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있고 그것이 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ˜ μž‘ν’ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:18
And you just go round a very basic board when you are rolling the dice and
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그리고 μ£Όμ‚¬μœ„λ₯Ό ꡴릴 λ•Œ 맀우 기본적인 λ³΄λ“œλ₯Ό 돌며
48:22
when you land on someone, you just mash your monster on top of their monster
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€μ—κ²Œ μ°©μ§€ν•˜λ©΄ Body Snatchers처럼 λͺ¬μŠ€ν„° μœ„μ— λͺ¬μŠ€ν„°λ₯Ό 으깨고 κ·Έ λͺ¬μŠ€ν„°λ₯Ό
48:26
and kind of just take over them, like the Body Snatchers and your monster
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μ°¨μ§€ν•˜λ©΄ λͺ¬μŠ€ν„°κ°€
48:31
becomes twice as big and that person is out because you've just mashed
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두 배둜 λŠ˜μ–΄λ‚©λ‹ˆλ‹€. 크고 κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ€ 당신이 λ³΄λ“œμ˜ λ‹€λ₯Έ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄λ₯Ό μ§“λ°Ÿμ•„
48:34
them, until you become this humongous, four piece, four-bodied monster having
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이 κ±°λŒ€ν•œ λ„€ 쑰각, λ„€ λͺΈμ˜ 괴물이 될 λ•ŒκΉŒμ§€ 당신이 그듀을 λΆ€μˆ˜μ—ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— μ•„μ›ƒλ˜μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
48:40
mashed the other players on the board.
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.
48:42
Luke: Okay.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
48:43
Yeah.
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48:43
Again, no, not for me because like Play-Doh, of all the kids' toys,
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응.
λ‹€μ‹œ λ§ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ, μ €μ—κ²ŒλŠ” μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄ λͺ¨λ“  어린이 μž₯λ‚œκ° μ€‘μ—μ„œ
48:48
Play-Doh is not one of my, I can't, no.
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„λŠ” μ €μ˜ μž₯λ‚œκ°μ΄ μ•„λ‹ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. ν•  수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:51
Anna: Really?
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48:51
Luke: Nah, no.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ •λ§μš”?
루크: μ•„λ‹ˆ, μ•„λ‹ˆ.
48:52
Anna: Wow.
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48:52
Luke: It's too messy.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ™€μš°.
루크: λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•΄μš”.
48:53
And it makes me feel uncomfortable.
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그리고 그것은 λ‚˜λ₯Ό λΆˆνŽΈν•˜κ²Œ λ§Œλ“­λ‹ˆλ‹€.
48:56
Anna: It is messy.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•΄μš”.
48:57
It is messy.
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μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•˜λ‹€.
48:58
I love Play-Doh.
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μ €λŠ” ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•΄μš”.
48:59
I think the kids have a really great time with Play-Doh.
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아이듀이 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°μ™€ ν•¨κ»˜ 정말 즐거운 μ‹œκ°„μ„ λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
49:02
It keeps them quiet.
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그것은 그듀을 쑰용히 μœ μ§€ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:03
So we always take Play-Doh in the backpack when we're at
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ”
49:06
restaurants or going out somewhere.
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식당에 갈 λ•Œλ‚˜ μ–΄λ”˜κ°€μ— λ‚˜κ°ˆ λ•Œ 항상 배낭에 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°λ₯Ό 가지고 λ‹€λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:07
Luke: Yeah.
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49:07
Yeah.
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루크: 응.
응.
49:08
Anna: And they just play for hours with the Play-Doh.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 그듀은 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°λ₯Ό 가지고 λͺ‡ μ‹œκ°„ λ™μ•ˆ λ†€μ•„μš”.
49:10
My sister-in-law said, "I hate Play-Doh".
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ν˜•μˆ˜λŠ” "λ‚˜λŠ” ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„κ°€ μ‹«λ‹€"κ³  λ§ν–ˆλ‹€.
49:12
Just like you.
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λ‹Ήμ‹ μ²˜λŸΌ.
49:13
It's too messy, too messy.
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•΄μš”, λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•΄μš”.
49:14
But then asked, what would your children like as a present for Christmas?
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그런데 아이듀이 크리슀마슀 μ„ λ¬Όλ‘œ 무엇을 μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠλƒκ³  λ¬Όμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:17
And I said, they love Play-Doh.
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그리고 μ €λŠ” 그듀이 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•œλ‹€κ³  λ§ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:18
How about like a Play-Doh Set?
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„ μ„ΈνŠΈ 같은 건 μ–΄λ•Œμš”?
49:20
Play-Doh do all kinds of sets.
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„λŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μ„ΈνŠΈλ₯Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:21
So why not maybe like the dentist set where the Play-Doh are the teeth
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κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš°κ°€ μΉ˜μ•„μ΄κ³ 
49:25
and they can practise dental hygiene.
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치과 μœ„μƒμ„ μ—°μŠ΅ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” 치과 μ„ΈνŠΈλ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•˜λŠ” 것은 μ–΄λ–¨κΉŒμš”? ꡬ강
49:27
Oral hygiene.
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μœ„μƒ.
49:28
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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49:28
Anna: Or maybe the pizza making set.
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루크: 음-흠.
μ•„λ‚˜: μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ ν”Όμž λ§Œλ“€κΈ° μ„ΈνŠΈμΌ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
49:30
She's like, "Leave it with me.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” "λ‚΄κ²Œ 맑겨라.
49:31
I'll sort it out.
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λ‚΄κ°€ μ •λ¦¬ν• κ²Œ.
49:32
I don't like play by myself.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 혼자 λ…ΈλŠ” κ±Έ μ’‹μ•„ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€.
49:33
It's too messy, but leave it with me."
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ 맑겨라."라고 λ§ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:35
Guess what she got?
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κ·Έλ…€κ°€ 무엇을 μ–»μ—ˆλŠ”μ§€ λ§žμΆ°λ³΄μ„Έμš”?
49:37
Luke: The messiest Play-Doh set she could find.
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루크: κ·Έλ…€κ°€ 찾을 수 μžˆλŠ” κ°€μž₯ μ§€μ €λΆ„ν•œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš° μ„ΈνŠΈμš”.
49:39
Anna: It's the hoover Play-Doh set where you have a sprinkler that makes
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Anna: 이건 후버 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„ μ„ΈνŠΈμΈλ°, μ•„μ£Ό μž‘κ³  쑰그만
49:44
tiny, teeny weeny, little teeny pieces of Play-Doh and spreads it all over so
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ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš° 쑰각을 λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ„œ μ˜¨ν†΅ 퍼뜨렀 올렀 놓을
49:50
that then you can then hoover it up.
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수 있게 ν•΄μ£ΌλŠ” μŠ€ν”„λ§ν΄λŸ¬κ°€ μžˆλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
49:51
But the hoover is, you know, there's no way to take it apart.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ ν›„λ²„λŠ” μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό λΆ„ν•΄ν•  방법이 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:55
And so it's just full of Play-Doh.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 그것은 ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„(Play-Doh)둜 가득 μ°¨ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
49:56
So if you want to save any of the Play-Doh and to work again,
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λ”°λΌμ„œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄λ„μš° 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό μ €μž₯ν•˜κ³  λ‹€μ‹œ μž‘μ—…ν•˜λ €λ©΄
50:00
you have to pick it all out.
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λͺ¨λ‘ 선택해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:02
It's horrific.
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λ”μ°ν•΄μš”.
50:03
Luke: Oh, stop.
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루크: μ•„, κ·Έλ§Œν•΄μš”.
50:04
It sounds like my worst nightmare.
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λ‚΄ μ΅œμ•…μ˜ μ•…λͺ½μ²˜λŸΌ λ“€λ¦°λ‹€.
50:05
Like a game that's designed to turn Play-Doh into Play-Doh dust.
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Play-Dohλ₯Ό Play-Doh λ¨Όμ§€λ‘œ 바꾸도둝 μ„€κ³„λœ κ²Œμž„κ³Ό κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:09
Uh oh.
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μ–΄ 였.
50:11
Oh, no, no.
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μ•„, 아뇨, 아뇨.
50:12
Can't.
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μΊ”νŠΈ.
50:13
Can't do it.
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50:13
Anna: Yeah.
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ν•  수 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
50:14
Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it to a close 'cause I know
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μ’‹μ•„μš”, 그럼 λλ‚Όκ²Œμš”. μ™œλƒν•˜λ©΄
50:17
you are, you've got no more time.
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당신도 그럴 κ±°λΌλŠ” κ±Έ μ•ŒκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ΄μ£ . 당신에겐 더 이상 μ‹œκ°„μ΄ μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:19
Oh yeah.
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50:19
But, one of the more recent players in the gaming market is one
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였 예.
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 졜근 κ²Œμž„ μ‹œμž₯에 λ“±μž₯ν•œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ”
50:26
that's caused a lot of hilarity.
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λ§Žμ€ 즐거움을 μ•ˆκ²¨μ€€ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄μ–΄μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:28
And it's Cards against Humanity.
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그리고 그것은 인λ₯˜μ— λŒ€ν•­ν•˜λŠ” μΉ΄λ“œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:30
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
50:31
Not a kid's game.
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μ–΄λ¦°μ΄μš© κ²Œμž„μ΄ μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:32
So going from Play-Doh and Hungry Hippos and Operation, which are absolutely
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λ”°λΌμ„œ μ ˆλŒ€μ μœΌλ‘œ μ–΄λ¦°μ΄μš© κ²Œμž„μΈ Play-Doh와 Hungry Hippos 및 OperationλΆ€ν„°
50:36
children's games to Cards Against Humanity, which is definitely one to play
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50:40
when the kids are in bed fast asleep.
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아이듀이 μž λ“€μ—ˆμ„ λ•Œ ν”Œλ ˆμ΄ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” Cards Against Humanity둜 λ„˜μ–΄κ°‘λ‹ˆλ‹€.
50:43
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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50:43
Yeah.
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50:43
Luke: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
응.
루크: 응.
50:44
Anna: Yeah.
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50:44
It is a set of cards that are just a lot of them.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응. λ§Žμ€ 양이 λ“€μ–΄μžˆλŠ”
μΉ΄λ“œ μ„ΈνŠΈμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
50:48
It's just filth, right?
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그건 κ·Έλƒ₯ λ”λŸ¬μš΄ μΌμ΄μž–μ•„μš”, κ·Έλ ‡μ£ ?
50:49
Luke: Yeah.
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50:49
Anna: It's the kind of thing that will shock and yeah, just...
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루크: 응.
Anna: 그건 좩격을 쀄 λ§Œν•œ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μΌμ΄μ—μš”. 예, κ·Έλƒ₯...
50:55
Luke: Disgust.
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Luke: μ—­κ²¨μ›Œμš”.
50:56
Anna: Yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
50:57
Yeah.
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응.
50:58
Luke: It's the most shocking and disgusting and offensive
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루크: 그건 그듀이 생각할 수 μžˆλŠ” 것 쀑 κ°€μž₯ 좩격적이고 μ—­κ²Ήκ³  λΆˆμΎŒν•œ
51:00
stuff that they could think of.
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μΌμ΄μ—μš”.
51:02
Anna: Yeah.
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51:02
Luke: That they put into the game.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: κ²Œμž„μ— 넣은 κ±°μš”.
51:03
Yeah.
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응.
51:04
Anna: Yeah, yeah.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응, 응.
51:05
I've had a few awkward evenings with people, like neighbours that we're just
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μ €λŠ” 단지 μΉœν•΄μ§€κ³ μž ν•˜λŠ” 이웃과 같은 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€κ³Ό μ–΄μƒ‰ν•œ 저녁 μ‹œκ°„μ„ 보낸 적이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:08
trying to get to know, and they're like, should we play Cards Against Humanity?
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그듀은 ' μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 인λ₯˜μ— λŒ€ν•­ν•˜λŠ” μΉ΄λ“œ κ²Œμž„μ„ ν• κΉŒ?'라고 ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:13
Yeah, sure.
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응, 물둠이지.
51:15
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
51:16
Anna: Awkward.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ–΄μƒ‰ν•΄μš”.
51:17
Very awkward.
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51:17
Or grandma, um, I saw this new game, apparently it's quite popular.
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맀우 μ–΄μƒ‰ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆ, 음, 이 μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ κ²Œμž„μ„ λ΄€λŠ”λ° κ½€ 인기가 μžˆλŠ” 것 κ°™λ”λΌκ³ μš”.
51:21
Could we play?
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우리 놀 수 μžˆμ„κΉŒ?
51:22
Luke: It's got a very high rating on Amazon.
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Luke: Amazonμ—μ„œ 맀우 높은 평가λ₯Ό λ°›μ•˜μ–΄μš”.
51:25
Anna: Okay, grandma.
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μ•„λ‚˜: μ•Œκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€, ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆ.
51:26
What, what does this word mean?
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뭐야, 이 말이 무슨 λœ»μ΄μ•Ό?
51:29
Maybe don't Google that, grandma.
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Googleμ—μ„œ κ²€μƒ‰ν•˜μ§€ λ§ˆμ„Έμš”, ν• λ¨Έλ‹ˆ.
51:31
Luke: So how does Cards Against Humanity work again?
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Luke: κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ Cards Against HumanityλŠ” μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ‹€μ‹œ μž‘λ™ν•˜λ‚˜μš”?
51:33
It's basically, I can't remember now, yeah.
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기본적으둜 μ§€κΈˆμ€ 기얡이 λ‚˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:37
Anna: So it's something like creating sentences.
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Anna: λ¬Έμž₯을 λ§Œλ“œλŠ” 것과 λΉ„μŠ·ν•΄μš”.
51:39
Luke: Yeah.
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루크: 응.
51:40
Anna: You have to put sentences together.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ¬Έμž₯을 ν•˜λ‚˜λ‘œ λͺ¨μ•„μ•Ό ν•΄μš”.
51:41
It gives you some horrific endings or beginnings of sentences and you
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그것은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ—κ²Œ λ”μ°ν•œ 결말 μ΄λ‚˜ λ¬Έμž₯의 μ‹œμž‘μ„ μ œκ³΅ν•˜λ©° 당신은
51:46
have to complete it or something.
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그것을 μ™„μ„±ν•΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:49
Luke: Yeah, that's right.
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루크: 응, κ·Έλ ‡κ΅¬λ‚˜. μ§„μˆ μ˜
51:50
There's a, sort of a, the beginning of a statement, and then you've
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μ‹œμž‘ 뢀뢄에 μΌμ’…μ˜ aκ°€ 있고
51:54
got a number of cards in your hand.
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손에 μ—¬λŸ¬ μž₯의 μΉ΄λ“œκ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:55
Anna: Yeah.
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51:55
Luke: And you have to choose the card which you think is
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: 그리고 당신은
51:58
best to complete that statement.
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κ·Έ μ§„μˆ μ„ μ™„μ„±ν•˜λŠ” 데 κ°€μž₯ μ ν•©ν•˜λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” μΉ΄λ“œλ₯Ό 선택해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
51:59
And all the cards in your hand are horrible, offensive, rude things.
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그리고 λ‹Ήμ‹  손에 μžˆλŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μΉ΄λ“œλŠ” λ”μ°ν•˜κ³  곡격적이며 λ¬΄λ‘€ν•œ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:04
I mean, it's fun when you're with your friends, of course, because you
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λ‚΄ 말은, μΉœκ΅¬λ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ 있으면 μž¬λ―Έμžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€ . μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό
52:06
know, it's just a thing that makes everyone shocked and it's, you know,
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그것은 λͺ¨λ‘λ₯Ό 좩격에 λΉ λœ¨λ¦¬λŠ” 일이고,
52:09
it can be laugh out loud funny.
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μ›ƒκΈ°κ²Œλ„ 웃을 수 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:11
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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52:11
Luke: You know, when you're with people that you know and you know
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 음-흠.
루크: μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, μ•„λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ 있고 λˆ„κ΅¬μ—κ²Œλ„ 기뢄을
52:13
that there's no danger of offending anyone, it's all just for fun.
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μƒν•˜κ²Œ ν•  μœ„ν—˜μ΄ μ—†λ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ 그것은 λͺ¨λ‘ 단지 재미λ₯Ό μœ„ν•œ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:17
And, you know, you can come out with some pretty hilarious and disgusting things.
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그리고 μ•Œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, κ½€ 웃기고 μ—­κ²¨μš΄ 일이 λ‚˜μ˜¬ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:21
You pass your card in and the person whose turn it is reads out all of the
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당신은 μΉ΄λ“œλ₯Ό μ „λ‹¬ν•˜κ³  μ°¨λ‘€κ°€ 된 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ λͺ¨λ“  μ§„μˆ μ„ 읽은
52:26
statements and then everyone decides which one they think is the best.
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λ‹€μŒ λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ μžμ‹ μ΄ κ°€μž₯ μ’‹λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” 것을 κ²°μ •ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:30
Anna: Yes.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: λ„€.
52:31
Luke: And that person...
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52:31
Anna: The one that's the funniest.
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Luke: 그리고 κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ€...
Anna: κ°€μž₯ 웃긴 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄μš”.
52:32
Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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루크: 응, 응, 응, 응.
52:34
Anna: Yeah.
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52:34
That one wins.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μ΄κΉλ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:35
Luke: Yeah, that's right.
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루크: 응, κ·Έλ ‡κ΅¬λ‚˜.
52:36
Anna: Yeah.
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52:36
So on that note, thank you so much Luke for joining me.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응. 저와
ν•¨κ»˜ ν•΄μ£Όμ‹  Lukeμ—κ²Œ 정말 κ°μ‚¬λ“œλ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:40
Listeners, if you are interested in hearing a little bit more of a deep
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청취자 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„, Monopoly에 λŒ€ν•΄ μ’€ 더 μžμ„Ένžˆ μ•Œμ•„λ³΄κ³  μ‹Άλ‹€λ©΄
52:44
dive into Monopoly, then do head to the show notes to go and listen
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μ‡Ό λ…ΈνŠΈλ‘œ κ°€μ„œ
52:50
to that other episode on Luke's channel, Luke's English Podcast.
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Luke의 채널인 Luke's English Podcast의 λ‹€λ₯Έ μ—ν”Όμ†Œλ“œλ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
52:55
Thank you so much.
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맀우 κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:56
Luke: Thank you, Anna.
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루크: κ³ λ§ˆμ›Œμš”, μ•ˆλ‚˜.
52:57
It's really good fun.
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정말 μž¬λ―ΈμžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
52:58
I'd love to just play a board game now.
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μ§€κΈˆμ€ κ·Έλƒ₯ λ³΄λ“œκ²Œμž„μ„ ν•˜κ³  μ‹Άμ–΄μš”.
53:00
Anna: Yeah.
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53:00
Luke: But, gotta go, like, go to the supermarket and
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
루크: ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μŠˆνΌλ§ˆμΌ“μ— κ°€μ„œ
53:04
then cook dinner, you know?
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저녁을 μš”λ¦¬ν•΄μ•Ό ν•΄, μ•Œμ§€?
53:05
You know the way it is.
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53:05
Anna: Yeah.
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53:05
You got some important life stuff coming up, so, uh...
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당신은 그것이 μ–΄λ–€ 것인지 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
μΈμƒμ—μ„œ μ€‘μš”ν•œ 일이 λ‹€κ°€μ˜€κ³  μžˆμœΌλ‹ˆ, μ–΄...
53:08
Luke: Absolutely.
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루크: 물둠이죠.
53:09
Anna: You've gotta get your game in order.
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Anna: κ²Œμž„μ„ μˆœμ„œλŒ€λ‘œ 진행해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
53:11
Luke: Yeah.
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53:11
The real game of life.
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루크: 응.
μ§„μ§œ μΈμƒκ²Œμž„.
53:13
Anna: The game of life.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: μΈμƒμ˜ κ²Œμž„.
53:14
Yeah.
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53:14
Luke: Yeah.
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53:14
Anna: Yeah.
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응.
루크: 응.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: 응.
53:15
Luke: Okay.
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53:15
Anna: Okay.
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루크: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
μ•ˆλ‚˜: μ•Œμ•˜μ–΄.
53:16
Thank you.
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53:16
Luke: Alright, lovely to speak to you again, Anna.
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κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
루크: μ•Œκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ‹€μ‹œ ν†΅ν™”ν•˜κ²Œ λ˜μ–΄ λ°˜κ°‘μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€, μ•ˆλ‚˜.
53:18
Anna: And you, take care.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 당신도 μ‘°μ‹¬ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
53:19
Luke: You too.
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루크: λ„ˆλ„ λ§ˆμ°¬κ°€μ§€μ•Ό.
53:20
Anna: And bye.
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μ•ˆλ‚˜: 그리고 μ•ˆλ…•.
53:21
Luke: Bye-bye.
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루크: μ•ˆλ…•.
이 μ›Ήμ‚¬μ΄νŠΈ 정보

이 μ‚¬μ΄νŠΈλŠ” μ˜μ–΄ ν•™μŠ΅μ— μœ μš©ν•œ YouTube λ™μ˜μƒμ„ μ†Œκ°œν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ „ 세계 졜고의 μ„ μƒλ‹˜λ“€μ΄ κ°€λ₯΄μΉ˜λŠ” μ˜μ–΄ μˆ˜μ—…μ„ 보게 될 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 각 λ™μ˜μƒ νŽ˜μ΄μ§€μ— ν‘œμ‹œλ˜λŠ” μ˜μ–΄ μžλ§‰μ„ 더블 ν΄λ¦­ν•˜λ©΄ κ·Έκ³³μ—μ„œ λ™μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. λΉ„λ””μ˜€ μž¬μƒμ— 맞좰 μžλ§‰μ΄ μŠ€ν¬λ‘€λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ˜κ²¬μ΄λ‚˜ μš”μ²­μ΄ μžˆλŠ” 경우 이 문의 양식을 μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ—¬ λ¬Έμ˜ν•˜μ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.

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