Games with Luke's English Podcast - Advanced Listening Practice

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English Like A Native


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

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Anna: You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast, a
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€
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listening resource for intermediate and advanced level English learners.
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ไธญ็ดš ใŠใ‚ˆใณไธŠ็ดšใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ๅ‘ใ‘ใฎใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐ ใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใงใ‚ใ‚‹ English Like A Native Podcast ใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:08
Today is a very special episode as we are joined by one of my favourite
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ€ ็งใฎใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใฎใ‚ฒใ‚นใƒˆใฎ 1 ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚‹
00:13
guests, Luke from Luke's English Podcast, which is an incredible podcast
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Luke's English Podcast ใฎ Luke ใŒๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ€้žๅธธใซ็‰นๅˆฅใชใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใฏใ€
00:19
that you should all have a listen to.
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซใœใฒ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใŸใ„็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
00:22
So in today's podcast, we are going to deep dive into a much
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ใใ“ใงไปŠๆ—ฅใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏใ€
00:26
loved British pastime, board games.
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใงๅบƒใๆ„›ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅจฏๆฅฝใงโ€‹โ€‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆๆทฑใๆŽ˜ใ‚Šไธ‹ใ’ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
00:31
It's gonna be fun.
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ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญใ€‚
00:32
Without further ado, let's roll.
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ๆ—ฉ้€Ÿใ€ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
00:36
What do you do when you are with company, say your family or your friends, and
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ๅฎถๆ—ใ‚„ๅ‹ไบบใชใฉใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใฆใ€
00:41
the conversation has begun to dry up and you are feeling a little bit bored?
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ไผš่ฉฑใ‚‚ๆžฏใ‚Œๅง‹ใ‚ใฆ ๅฐ‘ใ—้€€ๅฑˆใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใจใใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใฉใ†ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
00:47
Well, you may decide to rummage around in the cupboard, to dig out and dust
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๆฝฐใ™ใŸใ‚ใซๆˆธๆฃšใฎไธญใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ๅ›žใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ๆŽ˜ใ‚Šๅ‡บใ—ใฆๅŸƒใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฑบใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
00:52
off a board game to pass the time.
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00:55
In the UK, dice rolling, card shuffling, and arguing about who's
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ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใงใฏใ€ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ณใƒญใ‚’ๆŒฏใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒƒใƒ•ใƒซใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่ชฐใŒไธๆญฃ่กŒ็‚บใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ญฐ่ซ–ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ€
01:00
cheating is a much loved pastime.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ„›ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅจฏๆฅฝใงโ€‹โ€‹ใ™ใ€‚
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And here for a second time to discuss the ins and outs, the ups and downs of board
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ใ“ใ“ใงใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๆตฎใๆฒˆใฟใซใคใ„ใฆๅพนๅบ•็š„ใซ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ†ใฎใŒ 2 ๅบฆ็›ฎใงใ™ใ€‚Luke
01:08
games is Luke from Luke's English Podcast.
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ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใฎ Luke ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:12
Welcome back Luke.
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ใŠใ‹ใˆใ‚Šใ€ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใ€‚
01:13
Luke: Hi Anna.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
01:14
Thanks for having me back.
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ๆˆปใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
01:15
Anna: Oh, thank you for returning.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๆˆปใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
01:17
I haven't scared you off that's the important thing.
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๆ€–ใŒใ‚‰ใ›ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ ใใ‚ŒใŒ้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
01:20
Luke: No, this is a great topic.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่ฉฑ้กŒใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
01:22
Yeah, I love board games.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
01:23
Anna: You do.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
01:24
You have a big love of Monopoly.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
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Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
01:27
So we just talked about Monopoly at some length on my show, we did over an hour's
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็งใฎ็•ช็ต„ใงใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ใ ใ‘่ฉฑใ— ใ€ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใซใคใ„ใฆใ ใ‘ใง1ๆ™‚้–“ไปฅไธŠใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
01:34
worth of conversation only about Monopoly.
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01:36
Anna: Yeah.
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01:36
Who would've thought there was so much to say about the game?
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆใ“ใ‚Œใปใฉ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏ่ชฐใŒๆƒณๅƒใ—ใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
01:39
Luke: Well, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
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It is actually a fascinating game, as we've just discussed with all of
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ€‚
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the different strategies, the sort of statistics, the mathematics, the politics,
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ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๆˆฆ็•ฅใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ ็ตฑ่จˆใ€ๆ•ฐๅญฆใ€ๆ”ฟๆฒปใ€
01:50
the things it says about society and yeah, all the things we are getting
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็คพไผšใซใคใ„ใฆ่ชžใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ใใ—ใฆ ใใ†ใ€
01:55
wrong, that everyone gets wrong when they play it, and all those other things.
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็งใŸใกใŒ้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ™ในใฆใซใคใ„ใฆ่ญฐ่ซ–ใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใซ้–“้•ใˆใŸใ‚Š ใ€ใใฎไป–ใ™ในใฆใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
01:58
Anna: A really important strategy that I think we've taken away from
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้‡่ฆใชๆˆฆ็•ฅใ‚’ใ€ใใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:01
that particular episode that anyone who's interested in Monopoly should
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02:06
definitely go and listen to the episode just to learn the strategy, if not to
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02:10
learn lots of fabulous English phrases.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๅญฆใถใŸใ‚ใงใฏใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๆˆฆ็•ฅใ‚’ๅญฆใถใŸใ‚ใ ใ‘ใซใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’็ตถๅฏพใซ่žใใซ่กŒใในใใงใ™ใ€‚
02:12
Luke: Yeah, absolutely.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
02:13
Yeah.
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02:14
Anna: I'll put a link in the description so everyone can check that out later.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅพŒใงใฟใ‚“ใชใŒ็ขบ่ชใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€่ชฌๆ˜Žใซใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฒผใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
02:18
But do you play lots of games?
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
02:20
Do you have a game cupboard in your house?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฎถใซใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ๆฃšใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
02:22
Luke: Yeah, we do.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ ๅจ˜ใฎๅฏๅฎค
02:23
So we've got, like the sort of bottom compartment of a cupboard in
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ใซใ‚ใ‚‹้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใฎไธ€็•ชไธ‹ใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒกใƒณใƒˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใซใ€
02:27
my daughter's bedroom has got all the board games stuffed into it.
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ใ™ในใฆใฎ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒ่ฉฐใ‚่พผใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:31
So yeah, we definitely have a games cupboard.
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ใฏใ„ใ€็ขบใ‹ใซ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ๆฃšใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŒ
02:32
Back in my childhood home, when I was growing up, in my parents'
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ๅนผๅฐ‘ๆœŸใซ ่‚ฒใฃใŸ้ ƒใ€ๅฎŸๅฎถใซใฏ
02:36
house, we had a kind of a wooden box.
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ๆœจ็ฎฑใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:39
Anna: Yeah.
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02:39
Luke: And we would open up the wooden kind of a chest, and that was full of
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ—ใฆใ€ๆœจ่ฃฝใฎ ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใƒˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ“ใซใฏ
02:42
all the different games and things, some of which have survived, including that
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02:46
old monopoly set and various others.
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ๅคใ„ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผ ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใ‚„ใใฎไป–ใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใชใฉใ€็”Ÿใๆฎ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:49
So, yeah.
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02:50
Yeah.
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02:51
Anna: So we have a couple of spaces in our house where we keep our games
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ ๅฎถใซใฏใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ไฟ็ฎกใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
02:54
because I've, you know, got two young children and it is possibly the same...
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใซใฏๅนผใ„ๅญไพ›ใŒ 2 ไบบใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅŒใ˜ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†...
02:59
you said yours is in your daughter's bedroom.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฏๅจ˜ใฎๅฏๅฎคใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใญ ใ€‚
03:01
I mean, the risk there, 'cause I think your daughter's quite young, the risk
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ“ใซใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅจ˜ใ•ใ‚“ใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š่‹ฅใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€
03:05
there is that they might take them out when they're exploring one day and you're
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ—ฅๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆŽขๆคœใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
03:09
not looking, and then you find that there are lots of pieces missing or shoved into
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่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจใใซใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’้€ฃใ‚Œๅ‡บใ™ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ็ ด็‰‡ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ™ ่กŒๆ–นไธๆ˜ŽใซใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆŠผใ—่พผใพใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€
03:13
lots of different places all mixed up.
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ใ™ในใฆใŒใ”ใกใ‚ƒๆททใœใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:16
So we have been separating our stuff for a while, with the
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ใใ“ใง็งใŸใกใฏ ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใใฎ้–“ใ€ๆŒใก็‰ฉใ‚’ๅˆ†ใ‘ใฆใ€
03:20
majority of the games accessible in the kind of kiddie's play area.
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๅคง้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ ๅญไพ›็”จใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ‚จใƒชใ‚ขใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:23
We have those IKEA cupboards, you know, there's the, I think
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IKEAใฎ้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใŒใ‚ใฃใฆใ€
03:27
they're called Kallax or something.
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ใ‚ซใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใจใ„ใ†ๅๅ‰ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ่‹ฑๅ›ฝใงใฏ
03:29
There's like, everyone has one of these cupboards in the UK if they
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ใ€IKEA ใงๅฎถๅ…ทใ‚’่ฒทใ†ไบบใฏ็š†ใ€ใ“ใฎ้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใ‚’ 1 ใคๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใฆ
03:32
shop at IKEA for any furniture, they all have these Kallax units.
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ใ€ ๅ…จๅ“กใŒใ“ใฎ Kallax ใƒฆใƒ‹ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:36
And we've got about five of them around the house.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฎถใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใซ5ใคใปใฉใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
03:39
So we just fill one of those with the accessible games that we don't mind
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ใใ“ใงใ€ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ 1 ใคใซใ€ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใŒ่‡ช็”ฑใซๆ‰‹ใซๅ–ใฃใฆใ‚‚ ๆง‹ใ‚ใชใ„ใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’่ฉฐใ‚่พผใฟใพใ™
03:43
the children just grabbing at will.
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03:46
And then we have an inaccessible cupboard that has all the more advanced games,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใชใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ‚Š้ซ˜ๅบฆใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒใ™ในใฆๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใงใใชใ„้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
03:53
like the chess sets and things like that.
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03:55
Luke: Right.
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03:56
Anna: And the jigsaw puzzles.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใจใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใงใ™ใ€‚
03:57
I'm a big fan of jigsaws.
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็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฎๅคงใƒ•ใ‚กใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
04:00
How about you?
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04:00
Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
04:01
I love a jigsaw, and of course it's very good that you keep the jigsaw puzzles
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็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ๅฐใ•ใชๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฎๆ‰‹ใฎๅฑŠใ‹ใชใ„ใจใ“ใ‚ใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใŠใใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
04:07
away from the little kids because you cannot let any of those pieces go missing.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฎ ใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใ‚’็ด›ๅคฑใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใฏ่จฑใ•ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
04:13
Anna: No.
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04:13
Luke: Because if you try and do a jigsaw and there's one piece missing, then ah,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใฟใฆใ€ ใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใŒ 1 ใคๆฌ ใ‘ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€
04:17
that's the worst thing in the world.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไธ–็•Œใงๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎใ“ใจใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
04:19
Anna: Yeah, yeah.
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04:19
Luke: A 1000-piece jigsaw has to be complete and if you put all that time into
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Luke: 1000 ใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใฎใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฏ ๅฎŒๆˆใ•ใ›ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใซใ™ในใฆใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใฆใ€
04:26
doing it, and then at the end there's just one missing piece, it really ruins it.
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ๆœ€ๅพŒใซ ใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใŒ 1 ใคใ ใ‘ๆฌ ใ‘ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฐ็„กใ—ใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:31
But yeah, I do like a jigsaw.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
04:32
They, you know, it forces you to slow down and take the time to just
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04:37
focus on building that picture.
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ใใฎใ‚คใƒกใƒผใ‚ธใ‚’ๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใซ้›†ไธญใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
04:39
And there are strategies involved as well in jigsaws.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใซใ‚‚ๆˆฆ็•ฅใŒ้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:42
Anna: How do you do your jigsaws?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฏใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ‚„ใ‚‹ใฎ?
04:43
Luke: So you find all the edge pieces first, obviously.
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Luke: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๆœ€ๅˆใซ็ซฏใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ใ™ในใฆ่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅฝ“็„ถใงใ™ใญใ€‚
04:46
Anna: Of course.
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04:47
Luke: Corner pieces are vital and then edges.
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Luke: ใ‚ณใƒผใƒŠใƒผใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใŒ ้‡่ฆใงใ€ๆฌกใซใ‚จใƒƒใ‚ธใงใ™ใ€‚
04:52
And then, well, you just do your best from there, don't you really?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใพใ‚ใ€ ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰้ ‘ๅผตใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
04:55
Anna: Do you look at the picture?
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04:57
Luke: Oh yeah, of course.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
04:58
Anna: Ah, see, the most fun is to spend about 60 seconds, before you
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใปใ‚‰ใ€ไธ€็•ชๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใฎใฏใ€ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ ๅ‰ใซ็ด„ 60 ็ง’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆ
05:04
start, studying the picture, and then you never look at it again.
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็ตตใ‚’็ ”็ฉถใ—ใ€ ใใฎๅพŒใฏไบŒๅบฆใจ่ฆ‹ใชใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
05:08
Luke: Oh my God.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใชใ‚“ใจใ€‚
05:10
But that's too difficult, surely.
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ใงใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€ใใฃใจใ€‚
05:12
Anna: Well, if you...
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ...
05:13
it depends on the jigsaw.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซๆฌก็ฌฌใงใ™ใ€‚
05:14
We once did a jigsaw of the Rosetta Stone, and actually, I think that's
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‹ใคใฆใƒญใ‚ผใƒƒใ‚ฟ ใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใฎใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ
05:19
the one jigsaw that defeated us.
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็งใŸใกใ‚’ๆ‰“ใก่ฒ ใ‹ใ—ใŸ 1 ใคใฎใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:21
We had to first look at the picture and even then we couldn't get it.
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ใพใšๅ†™็œŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚็†่งฃใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:24
So we ended up putting that one away.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็ตๅฑ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’็‰‡ไป˜ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:27
But often we will just study the picture initially and then put it
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ๆœ€ๅˆใซ็ตตใ‚’็ ”็ฉถใ—ใ€ใใฎๅพŒใใ‚Œใ‚’
05:30
away and then try and figure it out without ever looking at the picture.
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ไฟ็ฎกใ—ใ€ใใฎๅพŒใ€ ็ตตใ‚’่ฆ‹ใšใซใใ‚Œใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:34
It does take a long time.
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05:36
It will often take maybe a week or two, which now, because we've got
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ใŸใ„ใฆใ„ใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€1๏ฝž2้€ฑ้–“ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒ ใ€ไปŠใฏ
05:40
the kids, we can't just leave it out on the table 'cause the kids
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ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ใƒ†ใƒผใƒ–ใƒซใฎไธŠใซ็ฝฎใ„ใŸใพใพใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใซใฏใ„ใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใฏ
05:43
will be like, "oh, what's this?
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ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ ๏ผŸ
05:45
I help, I help."
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็งใŒๆ‰‹ไผใ†ใ€็งใ‚‚ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ˜ใƒซใƒ—ใ€‚"
05:47
Putting them everywhere.
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ใฉใ“ใซใงใ‚‚็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
05:49
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
05:50
Anna: But we did just buy one of these mats.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ใ“ใฎใƒžใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ 1 ใค่ฒทใฃใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:53
And, sorry, this is jigsaws.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็”ณใ—่จณใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
05:54
This is completely off topic, but anyway, we bought one of these
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ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ่ฉฑใŒ้€ธใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ ใจใซใ‹ใใ€
05:57
mats that you can roll up with a big inflatable like sausage.
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ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅคงใใชใ‚คใƒณใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒ–ใƒซใ‚’ไธธใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใƒžใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:00
You lay the jigsaw out on the mat, and then when you finished for that
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ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚’ใƒžใƒƒใƒˆใฎไธŠใซ็ฝฎใใ€ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒ ็ต‚ใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚‰
06:06
session, you just roll it very carefully around this inflatable sausage.
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ใ€ ใ“ใฎ่†จใ‚‰ใพใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใซ้žๅธธใซๆณจๆ„ๆทฑใ่ปขใŒใ™ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:10
And then just tie it off.
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ใ‚ใจใฏ็ตใถใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:11
And then you can travel with it, take it with you, unroll it somewhere else.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆๆ—…่กŒใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ๆŒใก้‹ใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ€ใฉใ“ใ‹ๅˆฅใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๅบƒใ’ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
06:16
Luke: Right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
06:17
So you're not restricted to just doing the jigsaw in this one location.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ใ“ใฎ 1 ใ‹ๆ‰€ใงใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใซ้™ๅฎšใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:20
Yeah.
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06:20
Anna: Exactly.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
06:21
But for us, it's a protection thing to get it away from the kids.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—็งใŸใกใซใจใฃใฆใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰้ ใ–ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ่บซใ‚’ๅฎˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
06:25
Luke: Very good.
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06:26
Very smart move.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚่ณขใ„ๅ‹•ใใงใ™ใ€‚
06:27
Yeah,
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06:28
Anna: We would never buy jigsaws from a charity shop, as well.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็งใŸใกใ‚‚ใ€ใƒใƒฃใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผ ใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซ่ฒทใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚ ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎๅ‹้”ใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใง
06:32
Like we have a little jigsaw club in my group of friends
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ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใ‚’ไฝœใฃใฆใ€
06:36
locally and we swap jigsaws.
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ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ไบคๆ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:39
So we're always on the lookout for good jigsaws in different,
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅœ’่Šธใ‚ปใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚„ใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใชใฉใ€ ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใง่‰ฏใ„ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ๅธธใซๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
06:41
like garden centres and shops.
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06:44
But I would never buy from a charity shop because you can't guarantee if it's a
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€็งใฏใƒใƒฃใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซ่ฒทใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฎŒๅ…จใชใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏไฟ่จผใงใใชใ„ใ—ใ€
06:48
complete jigsaw, and I'm sure the charity shop don't say, "Hey Vera, can you just
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ใƒใƒฃใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผ ใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใฏใใฃใจใ€Œใญใˆใ€ใƒ™ใƒฉใ€
06:52
complete the puzzle and make sure it's complete before we put it for sale?"
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ใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ๅฎŒๆˆใ•ใ›ใฆใ€ ใใฎๅ‰ใซๅฎŒๆˆใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹ใ€ใจใฏ่จ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใŒๅฃฒใ‚Šใซๅ‡บใ—ใŸใฎ๏ผŸใ€
06:57
But I did break my rule when recently visiting the charity shop to reward my
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€5ๆ™ฉ้€ฃ็ถšใง
07:03
boys who had slept through the night for five consecutive nights, got their
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ไธ€ๆ™ฉไธญๅฏใฆใ€
07:07
little stars on their star chart, and I said, okay, five stars you can go
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ๆ˜Ÿ่กจใซๅฐใ•ใชๆ˜Ÿใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใŸๆฏๅญใŸใกใซใ”่ค’็พŽใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใƒใƒฃใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’่จชใ‚ŒใŸใจใใ€ใƒซใƒผใƒซใ‚’็ ดใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ‚Œใง ็งใฏใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€5ใคๆ˜Ÿใชใ‚‰ใƒใƒฃใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:11
to the charity shop and pick anything.
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่ฒทใ„็‰ฉใ‚’ใ—ใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’้ธใณใพใ™ใ€‚
07:14
And while we were there, I saw a jigsaw, which was a map of the world, and I
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็งใŸใกใŒใใ“ใซใ„ใŸ้–“ใ€ ไธ–็•Œๅœฐๅ›ณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใฎใงใ€ไปŠใฎ
07:19
thought, it's a little bit old for them at the moment, but wouldn't this be a
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07:24
great thing to help teach them geography?
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ใŸใกใซๅœฐ็†ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใซๆœ€้ฉใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:27
So we bought it and broke it out with them.
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ใใ“ใง็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใจ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:30
We did it on the floor.
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ใ†ใกใฏๅบŠใงใ‚„ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใŒ
07:32
The hardest jigsaw I think I've ever done.
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ไปŠใพใงใ‚„ใฃใŸไธญใงๆœ€ใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
07:34
I had to actually look at the picture, because it's not a typical jigsaw shape.
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ๅ…ธๅž‹็š„ใชใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใฎๅฝขใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็ตตใ‚’่ฆ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:40
All the pieces are only the shape of the countries.
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ใ™ในใฆใฎใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใฏ ๅ›ฝใฎๅฝขใ ใ‘ใ‚’่กจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
07:44
Luke: Ah, I see.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใชใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€‚
07:45
Anna: And so when you get to like Africa...
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใง ใ‚ขใƒ•ใƒชใ‚ซใŒๅฅฝใใซใชใ‚‹ใจโ€ฆ
07:47
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
07:48
Anna: And there's all these teeny, tiny little, you know,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใซ ใ€ๅฐใ•ใชใ€ๅฐใ•ใช
07:50
countries, all fit together.
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07:51
Luke: A lot of them are straight lines as well in Africa, in
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Luke: ใ‚ขใƒ•ใƒชใ‚ซใ€
07:53
the central parts of Africa.
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ใ‚ขใƒ•ใƒชใ‚ซใฎไธญๅคฎ้ƒจใงใ‚‚็›ด็ทšใŒๅคšใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:55
Yeah.
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07:55
Anna: It was so hard.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใจใฆใ‚‚ๅคงๅค‰ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:56
So hard.
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ใ™ใ”ใๅคงๅค‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:57
It is really good.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
07:58
I mean, it was teaching me a thing or two about where places are.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๅ ดๆ‰€ใŒใฉใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:01
It makes you realise like, oh, I know where this place is.
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ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ€ใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ“ใŒใฉใ“ใ ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
08:04
No, I actually don't.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅ…จใ
08:06
I've got no idea.
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ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:07
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
08:08
Yeah.
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08:08
My parents have got the same thing, but for all the counties in...
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็งใฎไธก่ฆชใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ–ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ ใ™ในใฆใฎ้ƒกใซๅฏพใ—ใฆ...
08:11
Anna: Right.
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08:11
Luke: In, I think it's only in England, just the English counties.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
Luke: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใ ใ‘ใ€ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใฎ้ƒกใ ใ‘ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:15
And yeah, that's surprisingly difficult as well because you kind of think
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้ฉšใใปใฉ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใง ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
08:18
you know them, but that's very hard.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
08:20
Anna: I'm terrible at geography.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็งใฏๅœฐ็†ใŒ่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:21
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
08:22
Anna: Absolutely terrible.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใฒใฉใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
08:23
So I wouldn't be able to do that.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใงใใชใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
08:24
And the globe one ended up me, just me on the floor.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ฐใƒญใƒผใƒ–ใƒฏใƒณใฏ็งใ‚’็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ› ใ€ๅบŠใซ็งใ ใ‘ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:27
The kids got bored, and so they were off doing their Play-Doh or whatever it was.
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฏ้€€ๅฑˆใ—ใŸใฎใงใ€ Play-Doh ใชใฉใ‚’ใ—ใฆๅ‡บใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:32
Luke: Yeah.
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08:32
Anna: And I'm there doing this jigsaw on my own, on the floor and
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏ ๅบŠใฎไธŠใงใ“ใฎใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ไธ€ไบบใงใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๆœ€ๅพŒ
08:35
there were three pieces missing at the end, and I was just devastated.
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ใซใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใŒ 3 ใคๆฌ ใ‘ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:40
But it turned out, They weren't missing, they were under the rug.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ตๅฑ€ใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่กŒๆ–น ไธๆ˜Žใงใฏใชใใ€ๆ•ท็‰ฉใฎไธ‹ใซใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
08:43
The boys had helped me by stuffing them under the rug.
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ๅฐ‘ๅนดใŸใกใฏๆ•ท็‰ฉใฎไธ‹ใซๅญไพ›ใŸใกใ‚’่ฉฐใ‚ใฆ็งใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
08:47
Luke: Right, yeah.
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08:49
That's the thing with jigsaws, you've gotta watch out for all the pieces.
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ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฎๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใ™ในใฆใฎใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใซๆณจๆ„ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:53
But I do love jigsaws.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
08:54
I love doing jigsaws of maps, but I will look at the picture.
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็งใฏๅœฐๅ›ณใฎใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ ใŒใ€ๅ†™็œŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
08:57
You know, I don't consider that to be cheating 'cause ultimately if I
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09:01
was doing it without looking at the picture, I would have a horrible time.
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่ฆ‹ใšใซใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‰ ใ€ใฒใฉใ„็›ฎใซ้ญใฃใฆใ„ใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
09:03
So why make life difficult for yourself, you know?
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ใงใฏใ€ใชใœ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใฎไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’ๅ›ฐ้›ฃใซใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
09:06
Anna: Well, you should try it.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
09:07
Luke: I suppose so.
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09:08
Anna: I challenge you.
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09:08
Don't take a really hard picture that's just like clouds or waves.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆŒ‘ๆˆฆใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ้›ฒใ‚„ๆณขใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช
้›ฃใ—ใ„ๅ†™็œŸใฏๆ’ฎใ‚‰ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
09:13
Luke: Yeah.
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09:13
Anna: Or trees.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏๆœจใ€…ใ€‚
09:14
Rose bushes.
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09:15
Just, you know, take something that's a mixture of things that you can figure out.
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ใŸใ ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’็ต„ใฟๅˆใ‚ใ›ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้ธใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
09:18
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
09:19
Anna: You know, I think it's fun.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
09:20
Luke: Jigsaws with lots and lots of little details are great.
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Luke: ็ดฐใ‹ใ„ใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒ†ใƒผใƒซใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใฏ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
09:23
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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09:23
Luke: Like one of my favourites is the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album cover.
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Luke: ็งใฎใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ ใƒ“ใƒผใƒˆใƒซใ‚บใฎใ‚ตใƒผใ‚ธใ‚งใƒณใƒˆใƒปใƒšใƒ‘ใƒผใฎใ‚ขใƒซใƒใƒ ใƒปใ‚ธใƒฃใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
09:28
Anna: Yeah.
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09:28
Luke: Because every single portion of that picture has got
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
Luke: ใ ใฃใฆใ€ ใใฎๅ†™็œŸใฎใฉใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใซใ‚‚ใ€ไฝ•ใ‹่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใŒๅซใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใญ
09:32
something interesting in it.
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09:33
Alexa: Someone's at the front door.
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09:33
Anna: Sorry, Alexa is so rude.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใชใ•ใ„ใ€ใ‚ขใƒฌใ‚ฏใ‚ตใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅคฑ็คผใงใ™ใ€‚
09:36
Luke: You are being interrupted by Alexa.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ขใƒฌใ‚ฏใ‚ตใซ้‚ช้ญ”ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:38
Anna: She always does this.
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09:39
Luke: What's Alexa saying to you?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ขใƒฌใ‚ฏใ‚ตใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
09:40
Anna: Someone's at the front door.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ่ชฐใ‹ใŒ็Ž„้–ขใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:42
Bing bong.
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09:43
Luke: This happened to us last time, Anna.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ“ใฎๅ‰ใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
09:45
Anna: It always happens.
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09:45
I've unplugged her.
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็งใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚ฐใ‚’ๆŠœใ„ใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:46
Luke: Alexa is so helpful and yet unhelpful at the same time.
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Luke: Alexa ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ไพฟๅˆฉใงใ™ใŒใ€ ๅŒๆ™‚ใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใŸใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
09:50
Anna: So, what was I talking about?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏไฝ•ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
09:52
I was doing a podcast when I was talking about how a lot of English words come from
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ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจใใ€ ๅคšใใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ˜่ชžใŒใ‚ขใƒฉใƒ“ใ‚ข่ชžใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹
09:57
Arabic or have a relationship to Arabic.
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ใ€ใ‚ขใƒฉใƒ“ใ‚ข่ชžใจ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:59
And I was going through the list and one of the words was elixir, an
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใŒใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่ชฟในใฆใ„ใŸใจใใ€ ๅ˜่ชžใฎ 1 ใคใŒใ‚จใƒชใ‚ฏใ‚ตใƒผใ€
10:04
elixir and she kept coming on going,
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ใ‚จใƒชใ‚ฏใ‚ตใƒผใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ
10:06
"I'm sorry, I don't know that one right now."
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ใ€Œใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใชใ•ใ„ใ€ ไปŠใฏใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„็ถšใ‘ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:09
Luke: Yeah.
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10:09
Anna: I'm not talking to you!
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“๏ผ
10:12
Luke: I'll be teaching in class in, you know, in English lessons and I say
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Luke: ็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆŽˆๆฅญใงๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ€Œ
10:17
something that sounds like Hey, Siri.
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Hey, Siriใ€ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:21
Oh!
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ใŠใŠ๏ผ
10:22
Anna: There we go.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใฏ่กŒใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
10:23
Luke: Not talking to you now, doing a podcast.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ไปŠใฏใ‚ใชใŸใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:26
Siri: Okay.
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ใ‚ทใƒช๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
10:28
Luke: Okay, says Siri.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€Siri ใŒ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:30
Anna: Brilliant.
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10:30
Luke: Alright.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
10:31
And I'll say something that sounds like that and, and Siri steps in and
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ใใ‚Œใฃใฝใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใจใ€Siri ใŒๅ‰ฒใฃใฆๅ…ฅใฃใฆ
10:34
says, "I'm sorry, I can't find that.
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ใ€Œ็”ณใ—่จณใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€่ฆ‹ใคใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใงๅพ—ใŸ
10:38
Here are some results from the internet", or something like that.
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็ตๆžœใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‹็ดนไป‹ใ—ใพใ™ ใ€ใชใฉใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:40
It's always a hilarious moment.
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„็žฌ้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚
10:42
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
10:43
It's so rude.
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10:43
It's so rude.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅคฑ็คผใงใ™ใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅคฑ็คผใงใ™ใ€‚
10:44
Someone should teach them some manners.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใƒžใƒŠใƒผใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ในใใ ใ€‚
10:47
Okay, so, jigsaws fantastic, but...
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚ธใ‚ฐใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‘ใ‚บใƒซใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใŒ...
10:50
Luke: Yeah.
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10:50
Anna: What's your default, what's your go-to game when you're, say,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ‡ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒซใƒˆใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ ใŸใจใˆใฐๅฎถๆ—ใ‚„ๅ‹้”ใจใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ‚ˆใใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹
10:53
with your family or your friends?
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?
10:55
Luke: Well, obviously Monopoly, as we've said.
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Luke: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚ ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
10:57
Anna: Yeah.
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10:57
Luke: But other ones, Scrabble is a bit of a favourite, oh it's a tough one.
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Luke: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ไป–ใซใฏใ€Scrabble ใŒใกใ‚‡ใฃใจ ใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใชใ‚“โ€‹โ€‹ใงใ™ใ‘ใฉใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
11:03
You know.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
11:04
Anna: What, Scrabble's a tough one?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใˆใฃใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฃใฆ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใฎ?
11:05
Luke: Yeah.
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11:05
Anna: Or the question's tough?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚่ณชๅ•ใŒ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹?
11:06
Luke: Scrabble is, well, both the question is tough because there are
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Luke: Scrabble ใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€
11:09
many games I could talk about, but I realise there are only a certain number
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่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใฉใกใ‚‰ใฎ่ณชๅ•ใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใงใใ‚‹ๆ™‚้–“ใฏๆฑบใพใฃใŸๅˆ† ใ—ใ‹ใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
11:13
of minutes that we can do this for.
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11:15
But I mean, you know, we could do an hour on each game.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๅ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใง 1 ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
11:18
Anna: Why is Scrabble tough for you?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใชใœใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
11:20
Luke: Well, it's just, you know, words innit?
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Luke: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ใฎใ€ ่จ€่‘‰ใฎๅˆๆœŸๅŒ–ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
11:21
You know, just like, ahh...
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚ใ‚...
11:22
Anna: English words?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ˜่ชž?
11:23
Luke: English words, spelling.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ˜่ชžใ€ใ‚นใƒšใƒซใ€‚
11:25
Anna: Yeah.
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11:25
Luke: But it's tough because I'm competing against, probably my mum and dad.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใงใ‚‚ใ€็ซถไบ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใŠๆฏใ•ใ‚“ใจใŠ็ˆถใ•ใ‚“ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅคงๅค‰ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
11:30
And my wife, now she is French, but she's so good at Scrabble
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฎๅฆปใฏไปŠใฏใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นไบบใงใ™ ใŒใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใง
11:33
in English, it's frightening.
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ใ€ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„ใปใฉใงใ™ใ€‚
11:35
Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself when I play against her and, and lose.
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ใใ†ใ ใ€ ๅฝผๅฅณใจๅฏพๆˆฆใ—ใฆ่ฒ ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใ„ใ€‚
11:40
I mean, you know, I suppose I shouldn't be, I should just be
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใ™ในใ ใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใฎใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใŒ
11:42
proud of my wife for being so good at Scrabble in a second language.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใชๅฆปใ‚’่ช‡ใ‚Šใซๆ€ใ†ในใใงใ™ ใ€‚
11:46
We were on holiday in Brittany recently, and there was a Scrabble set in the room.
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็งใŸใกใฏๆœ€่ฟ‘ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฟใƒผใƒ‹ใƒฅใงไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€้ƒจๅฑ‹ใซใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
11:51
And it was a French Scrabble set.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
11:53
Anna: Ah.
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11:53
Luke: You might think, well, the alphabet's the same, but like the number
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Luke: ใ‚ขใƒซใƒ•ใ‚กใƒ™ใƒƒใƒˆใฏๅŒใ˜ใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใฎๆ•ฐใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
11:56
of letters is, you know, the arrangement, the number of each letter is different.
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ๅ„ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใฎ้…็ฝฎใ€ๆ•ฐใฏ็•ฐใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
12:01
And in a French Scrabble set, just so many vowels, just,
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใฎใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใฏใ€ ๆฏ้ŸณใŒ้žๅธธใซๅคšใใ€
12:06
it's just like too many vowels.
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ๆฏ้ŸณใŒๅคšใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
12:08
'cause you know, in French spelling, they use a lot more vowels.
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ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใฎ็ถดใ‚Šใงใฏใ‚‚ใฃใจๅคšใ ใฎๆฏ้Ÿณใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
12:11
Anna: Do you have the ones with the, the little, um...
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฐใ•ใชใ€ใ‚ใฎ...
12:14
Luke: Accents?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใŒไป˜ใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
12:15
No, there are no accents.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
12:17
They don't do accents, 'cause that would be too complicated.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ไฝฟใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ่ค‡้›‘ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
12:19
But no, just, just way more vowels.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใŸใ ใ€ๆฏ้ŸณใŒใ‚‚ใฃใจๅคšใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
12:21
So I'm just like picking out my letters.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉๆ‰‹็ด™ใ‚’้ธใถใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
12:23
Just like, okay, E O U E.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€E O U Eใ€‚
12:26
Just O's U's and E's like millions of E's, and O'S and U's.
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ไฝ•็™พไธ‡ใ‚‚ใฎ E ใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€O ใฎ U ใจ E ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚O ใจ U ใงใ™ใ€‚
12:30
So that was complicated.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่ค‡้›‘ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
12:31
And of course, you know, we, I was like, oh, there's a Scrabble set here.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€็งใŸใกใ‚‚ใ€ใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ“ใซใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ใ€ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
12:34
And my wife's like, should we play in English or French?
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ๅฆปใฏใ€Œ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‹ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใงใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ในใใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:36
And you know, just, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to win in English.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใงๅ‹ใคใฎใฏๆ™‚ใ€…้›ฃใ—ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
12:40
Yeah.
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12:40
So there's really no chance of being able to win in French.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใงๅ‹ใฆใ‚‹่ฆ‹่พผใฟใฏใพใฃใŸใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
12:44
But it's still a great game.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ ใ€‚
12:45
I do love like trying to find like the, it's not just about
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็งใฏ ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ๅ˜ใซ
12:48
finding the long words, but finding clever ways to use little words,
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้•ทใ„ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใฏใชใใ€ ็Ÿญใ„ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆ
12:53
but maximise the extra points.
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่ฟฝๅŠ ใฎใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ๆœ€ๅคงๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹่ณขใ„ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
12:55
You know, if someone's put down a word with a Q in it or an X or something
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒ Q ใ‚„ X ใชใฉใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๆ›ธใ็•™ใ‚ใŸๅ ดๅˆ
12:59
like that, you can find a way to incorporate that X and get a triple
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ใ€ ใใฎ X ใ‚’็ต„ใฟ่พผใ‚“ใงใƒˆใƒชใƒ—ใƒซใ‚’ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใ€
13:03
and land on a double at the same time.
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ๅŒๆ™‚ใซใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใซ็€ๅœฐใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
13:05
And then you can get a massive score if you're clever enough.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅๅˆ†ใซ่ณขใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅคง้‡ใฎใ‚นใ‚ณใ‚ขใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใ€‚
13:08
Anna: And if you struggle with spelling, 'cause I am really
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ‚นใƒšใƒซใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ ใ€็งใฏ
13:11
not very good at spelling.
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ใ‚นใƒšใƒซใŒใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅพ—ๆ„ใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
13:12
I've improved a lot since teaching because I'm always looking at
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13:17
and writing out notes and looking at words and teaching them.
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ใƒŽใƒผใƒˆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆๆ›ธใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆๆ•™ใˆใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‹ใชใ‚ŠไธŠ้”ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
13:21
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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13:21
Anna: But I'm dyslexic, so spelling has always been a bit of a weak point.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€็งใฏๅคฑ่ชญ็—‡ใชใฎใงใ€ใ‚นใƒšใƒซใŒ ใ„ใคใ‚‚่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
13:25
And I think I've often hidden behind that as an excuse.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่จ€ใ„่จณใจใ—ใฆ้š ใ—ใฆใใŸใ“ใจใ‚‚ๅคšใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
13:28
Oh, I'm dyslexic, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏๅคฑ่ชญ็—‡ใชใฎใงใ€ ใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅฟƒ้…ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
13:31
But as a teacher, you try and hold yourself to account a bit more.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆ•™ๅธซใจใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซ่ฒฌไปปใ‚’ๆŒใŸใ›ใ‚ˆใ†ใจๅŠชใ‚ใพใ™ ใ€‚
13:34
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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13:34
Anna: And make sure what you're putting out is good.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ—ใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๅ‡บใ™ใ‚‚ใฎใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
13:36
So I think I've learned a lot with that.
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ใใ‚Œใง็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:38
So I think maybe I'll be better at Scrabble now than I used to be.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใŸใถใ‚“ ไปŠใฎใปใ†ใŒไปฅๅ‰ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใŒไธŠๆ‰‹ใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:42
But you can get Junior Scrabble, can't you?
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ธใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ขใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฏๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
13:44
So if you're an English learner, maybe Scrabble would be a
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใŠใใ‚‰ใ Scrabble ใŒ
13:47
good game for you to play.
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ้ฉใ—ใŸใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
13:49
Luke: Sure.
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13:49
Anna: To help with your English.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
13:50
Luke: Absolutely.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
13:51
Anna: But perhaps a Junior Scrabble board initially would be good.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ๆœ€ๅˆใฏใ‚ธใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ข ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
13:55
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ€ใใ†ใ€‚
13:56
Absolutely.
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13:57
Yeah.
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13:57
All those things.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใ€‚
13:58
I mean, board games for learning English, a hundred percent.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฏ 100 ใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’็”จใงใ™ใ€‚
14:00
Great idea.
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14:02
'Cause, you know, it is basically a scenario in which you often have to use
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ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚ขใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ ้ ป็นใซไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ทใƒŠใƒชใ‚ชใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
14:05
language in order to complete the game.
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14:08
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
14:09
Luke: It essentially takes away the need for forced social interaction.
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Luke: ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€ ๅผทๅˆถ็š„ใช็คพไผš็š„ไบคๆตใฎๅฟ…่ฆๆ€งใŒใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
14:14
It's a great social lubricant, which is exactly what you need to practise English.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็คพไบคไธŠใฎๅ„ชใ‚ŒใŸๆฝคๆป‘ๆฒนใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ใพใ•ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’็ทด็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๅฟ…่ฆใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
14:19
You know, you don't have to be like, oh and what we're gonna talk
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใฏ
14:21
about now, you know, it's all there.
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ใ€ใ™ในใฆใใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€ใจๆ€ใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:23
You just have to play the game and you will be encouraged to use language.
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅฅจๅŠฑใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚ ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€
14:28
Some games involve language like Scrabble, for example, or some others and some games
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ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใชใฉใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€
14:33
also just encourage you to use language to achieve the outcome of the game.
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ็ตๆžœใ‚’้”ๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ่จ€่ชžใฎไฝฟ็”จใ‚’ๅฅจๅŠฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
14:37
Like for example, if you have to negotiate in Monopoly for something, you know, for
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ไบคๆธ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆ ใ€
14:42
example, that can be really good practice.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ่‰ฏใ„็ทด็ฟ’ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
14:44
So yeah, I should give a shout out to another teacher called Zdenek,
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ไบบใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใ€ใ‚บใƒ‡ใƒใ‚ฏใ€
14:48
uh, Zdenek Lukas from the Czech Republic, who has been doing a
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ใˆใฃใจใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚ณ ๅ…ฑๅ’Œๅ›ฝๅ‡บ่บซใฎใ‚บใƒ‡ใƒใ‚ฏใƒปใƒซใƒผใ‚ซใ‚นใจใ„ใ†ๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใซๅฃฐใ‚’ๅคงใซใ—ใฆ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅฝผใฏ
14:52
podcast in English for many years.
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้•ทๅนด่‹ฑ่ชžใงใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:54
And he likes to use board games as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใฏใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
14:57
He's kind of a huge board game enthusiast, and he has a Discord
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ๅฝผใฏๅคงใฎใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ  ๆ„›ๅฅฝๅฎถใงใ€Achievers Chamber ใจใ„ใ† Discord ใ‚ตใƒผใƒใƒผใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
15:02
server called the Achievers Chamber.
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15:05
Right.
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15:05
And they do play board games there in English.
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ใใ“ใงใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:08
So he's a good person to go to if you're interested in practising
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใง่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ็ทด็ฟ’ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ๅฝผใซ่กŒใใฎใŒ่‰ฏใ„ไบบใงใ™
15:12
your English with board games.
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15:14
Anna: Fantastic.
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15:14
Yeah, and I think having fun while learning is always really important for
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใชใŒใ‚‰ ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซใจใฃใฆๅธธใซ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ—ใ€็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’
15:19
motivation, also your brain, you process things and you know, it helps your memory.
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ๅ‡ฆ็†ใ™ใ‚‹่„ณใซใ‚‚้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ— ใ€่จ˜ๆ†ถๅŠ›ใซใ‚‚ๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใ€‚
15:25
If you are enjoying and releasing all those happy hormones.
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ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงๅนธใ›ใƒ›ใƒซใƒขใƒณใ‚’ๅˆ†ๆณŒใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐ ใ€‚
15:29
Luke: Yeah.
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15:29
Anna: While you are learning, it, you know, removes all the stress,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใฏใ€่จ˜ๆ†ถๅŠ›ใซ่‰ฏใใชใ„ ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใŒใ™ในใฆๅ–ใ‚Š้™คใ‹ใ‚Œใพใ™
15:32
which isn't good for memory.
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15:34
So, so play some games.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
15:37
Now, one of the great things with Scrabble is getting a Scrabble dictionary and
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใฎใ™ใฐใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใจใ“ใ‚ใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใ€
15:42
learning some of the weird and bizarre words that you'll throw down on the
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ๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใง้ขจๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚Šใชๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‹ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใงใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใซๆŠ•ใ’ใ‚‹ใจ
15:46
board and it's a high scorer and someone will go, "that's not a word!", and
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้ซ˜ๅพ—็‚นใ‚’ ็ฒๅพ—ใงใใ€่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ€Œใใ‚Œใฏๅ˜่ชžใงใฏใชใ„!ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆ
15:49
you say, "hey, check out the Scrabble dictionary because it is a word."
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ใ€Œใใ‚Œใฏๅ˜่ชžใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธใ‚’่ชฟในใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
15:53
I actually played for my school, funnily enough, terrible speller, but I played in
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้ข็™ฝใ„ใ“ใจใซใ€็งใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅญฆๆ กใงใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€
15:58
the Scrabble, like leagues at school, and there was always a whole bunch of random
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ใ‚นใƒšใƒซใŒใฒใฉใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅญฆๆ กใฎใƒชใƒผใ‚ฐใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใงใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใƒฉใƒณใƒ€ใƒ ใช
16:03
two letter words that I'm like, you would never use this word in a conversation.
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2 ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใฎๅ˜่ชžใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚“ใชๅ˜่ชžใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซไฝฟใ‚ใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ไผš่ฉฑใ€‚
16:06
What even is it?
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ใใ‚Œใฏไธ€ไฝ“ไฝ•ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
16:07
But there're allowed because they're in the dictionary and one of these words
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅ˜่ชžใฏ่พžๆ›ธใซ่ผ‰ใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ 1 ใคใฏ
16:12
is not even in the official dictionary.
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ๅ…ฌๅผใฎ่พžๆ›ธใซใ‚‚่ผ‰ใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:15
It's allowed in the Scrabble dictionary, and it's an abbreviation of casual.
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ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธใงใฏ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚ŒใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ซใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒซใฎ็•ฅ่ชžใงใ™ใ€‚
16:20
It's cazh, spelled C-A-Z-H.
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Cazh ใงใ€C-A-Z-H ใจ็ถดใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
16:24
Luke: C-A-Z-H?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: C-A-Z-H?
16:26
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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16:26
Cazh.
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ใ‚ซใ‚บใ€‚
16:27
Luke: Really, cazh?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€ใ‚ซใ‚บ๏ผŸ
16:28
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
16:29
Luke: Yeah, that Scrabble dictionary is very suspect, isn't it?
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Luke: ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธใฏ ้žๅธธใซ็–‘ใ‚ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใใ†
16:33
Don't you think?
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16:33
Anna: Bit dodgy.
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ๆ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅฑ้™บใ ใญใ€‚
16:34
Bit dodgy.
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16:34
Luke: Like it's, yeah, like, my parents, when we play Scrabble with them, they
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ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅฑ้™บใงใ™ใ€‚
Luke: ใใ†ใ€็งใฎไธก่ฆชใ‚‚ใใ†ใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใŸใกใŒ ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใง้Šใถใจใใฏใ€
16:39
basically ban the Scrabble dictionary.
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธใ‚’็ฆๆญขใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:41
Anna: Right.
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16:41
Luke: You know, because otherwise what happens is you just end up digging
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Luke: ใใ†ใ—ใชใ„ใจใ€็ตๅฑ€
16:44
through the Scrabble dictionary, trying to justify some ridiculous three letter
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16:48
word that contains an X or something.
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X ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ใฐใ‹ใฐใ‹ใ—ใ„ 3 ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๆญฃๅฝ“ๅŒ–ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
16:51
Or you know, you come out with Q I.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€Q I ใŒๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:54
It's like ah, qi?
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€Qi ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
16:55
And so like, everyone's like qi, that's not a word.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒ ๆฐ—ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่จ€่‘‰ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
16:57
Yeah, it is qi.
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ใใ†ใ€ใƒใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
16:59
It's pronounced 'key'.
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16:59
It's a Chinese word.
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ใ€Œใ‚ญใƒผใ€ใจ็™บ้Ÿณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
ไธญๅ›ฝ่ชžใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
17:00
It means energy.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:02
Ah, there you go.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
17:03
You know.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
17:04
Anna: Yeah.
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17:04
Your parents are a lot of fun.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไธก่ฆชใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€ๆˆดๅ† ๅผใง
17:06
You did an episode with them recently for the coronation?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใจใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ๏ผŸ
17:09
Luke: Yeah.
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17:09
Anna: Yeah, they are.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
17:11
You can see a lot of your personality and where that's, well, not
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅ€‹ๆ€งใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใ€ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ€
17:15
that your personality came from your parents, you are unique.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ€งๆ ผใŒไธก่ฆชใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใŸใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒฆใƒ‹ใƒผใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ€‚
17:18
But, um...
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17:19
Luke: Yeah, I did it myself.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใ‚„ใฃใŸใ‚“ใ ใ€‚
17:20
I built it on my own!
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๅปบใฆใพใ—ใŸ๏ผ
17:22
Anna: But they are, they're good fun.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ™ใ”ใๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:23
You can tell that they're quite astute and clever.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ้žๅธธใซๆดžๅฏŸๅŠ›ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่ณขใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
17:29
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ€ใใ†ใ€‚
17:30
Yeah, they are pretty smart and clever people.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ ่ณขใใฆ่ณขใ„ไบบใŸใกใงใ™ใ€‚
17:32
Quite funny.
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ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:33
Yeah, it's nice.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
17:35
Yeah.
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17:35
I'm lucky.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
็งใฏใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ญใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
17:36
Lucky to have parents like that and yeah, it's nice to play board games with them.
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ใใ†ใ„ใ†่ฆชใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅนธ้‹ใ ใ—ใ€ไธ€็ท’ ใซใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
17:40
It's always pretty good fun.
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:42
Although you know, my wife's very competitive and my
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€็งใฎๅฆปใฏ ใจใฆใ‚‚่ฒ ใ‘ใšๅซŒใ„ใงใ€
17:44
dad is competitive, right.
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็ˆถใ‚‚่ฒ ใ‘ใšๅซŒใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
17:46
So there's, when the two of them clash heads...
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ใใ“ใงใ€ไบŒ ไบบใŒ้ ญใง่ก็ชใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ...
17:48
Anna: Oh, they fight do they?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅ–งๅ˜ฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ‹?
17:50
Luke: Well, in a nice way.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ„ใ„ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใญใ€‚
17:52
Anna: Which side do I take?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็งใฏใฉใกใ‚‰ใฎๅดใซไป˜ใใพใ™ใ‹?
17:53
Obviously always your wife's.
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฆปใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
17:55
Luke: Yeah, of course.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
17:56
But it's always interesting to see how the dynamic switches
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ซถไบ‰ใŒๅง‹ใพใ‚‹ใจ ใƒ€ใ‚คใƒŠใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅˆ‡ใ‚Šๆ›ฟใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™
18:00
when the competition arrives.
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18:01
But it's good.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
18:02
Anna: Yeah.
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18:02
Luke: No, it's great.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ใ”ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
18:03
Anna: Okay, so there's just two more words I'm gonna mention
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ•ใฆใ€ๆฌกใซ
18:05
on Scrabble before we move on.
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้€ฒใ‚€ๅ‰ใซใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ใจ 2 ใคใ ใ‘ใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใŠใใพใ™ใ€‚
18:06
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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18:06
Anna: And one of them is zax, which is the highest scoring three
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ 1 ใคใฏ zax ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€3
18:12
letter word that you can have.
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ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใฎๅ˜่ชžใฎไธญใงๆœ€้ซ˜ๅพ—็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
18:14
Luke: Z-A-X?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ผใ‚ฏใ‚น?
18:16
Anna: Zax, do you know what this is?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใชใฎใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
18:18
Luke: Zax?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚น๏ผŸ
18:19
Mm-hmm.
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18:19
I've no idea what zax is.
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ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใŒไฝ•ใชใฎใ‹ๅ…จใๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:21
No one ever uses the word zax.
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ใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ไบบใฏ่ชฐใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:23
I've never read it, heard it.
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่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใ‚‚่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:25
Anna: It would be used in a specific industry.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็‰นๅฎšใฎๆฅญ็•Œใงไฝฟ็”จใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
18:27
So if you work in a specific industry, it's a tool.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€็‰นๅฎšใฎๆฅญ็•Œใงๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆ ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ„ใƒผใƒซใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:30
Luke: Okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใใ“ใฎใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ‚’
18:31
Like can you just pass me that zax over there.
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ๆธกใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹ ใ€‚
18:33
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
18:34
Luke: It's a tool like that.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ„ใ†ใƒ„ใƒผใƒซใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
18:35
Anna: Yeah.
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18:35
Luke: Sorry, pass, pass you what?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใชใ•ใ„ใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚นใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚นใ€ไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
18:37
The zax over there.
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ใใ“ใฎใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ€‚ ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ
18:38
It's his first day on the job.
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ๅฝผใฎๅˆๅ‡บๅ‹คๆ—ฅใ ใ€‚
18:39
He doesn't know what a zax is.
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ๅฝผใฏใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใŒไฝ•ใชใฎใ‹็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:41
Anna: So it's an axe that a slater uses, so it's a specific axe for a
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚นใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใŒ ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–งใงใ€
18:46
specific job of putting nails into slate.
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ใ‚นใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใซ้‡˜ใ‚’ๆ‰“ใก่พผใ‚€ใจใ„ใ†็‰นๅฎšใฎไป•ไบ‹ใซ็‰นๅŒ–ใ—ใŸๆ–งใงใ™ใ€‚
18:49
Luke: Slate, which is like things that would go on the roof of a house.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚นใƒฌใƒผใƒˆใ€ ๅฎถใฎๅฑ‹ๆ นใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
18:54
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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18:54
Mm-hmm.
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18:54
Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:55
Luke: Okay.
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18:55
A zax is a specific hammer for hitting nails into a roof.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใ‚ถใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใฏใ€ ๅฑ‹ๆ นใซ้‡˜ใ‚’ๆ‰“ใก่พผใ‚€ใŸใ‚ใฎๅฐ‚็”จใฎใƒใƒณใƒžใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
18:59
Anna: Yeah, I believe so.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:01
Don't quote me on that.
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ใใ‚Œใซ้–ขใ—ใฆ็งใ‚’ๅผ•็”จใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
19:03
I might have got that wrong.
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็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
19:04
Luke: Yeah, I'll take your word for it.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:06
Anna: A slater's axe.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚นใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใฎๆ–งใงใ™ใ€‚
19:07
Now the other one, quite funny, is the word gangbang.
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ใ‚‚ใ† 1 ใคใฏใ€้žๅธธใซ ้ข็™ฝใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€[ __ ]ใจใ„ใ†่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:12
Luke: Oh yeah?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
19:13
Anna: Oh yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
19:15
Luke: Oh yes, okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
19:16
Wait, that's quite a long word as well for G A N G...
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ๅพ…ใฃใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‚ G A N G ใซใจใฃใฆใ‹ใชใ‚Š้•ทใ„ๅ˜่ชžใงใ™ใญ...
19:21
Anna: Four, uh, four?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: 4 ใคใ€ใˆใฃใจใ€4 ใค?
19:22
Eight!
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19:22
Luke: B A N G, eight.
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ๅ…ซ๏ผ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: B A N Gใ€8 ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:23
So that's, yeah.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:24
If you've got a word that ends in a G on the board, and you've got
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใซ G ใง็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ˜่ชžใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
19:28
'angbang' in your hand then, you know...
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ๆ‰‹ใซใ€Œใ‚ขใƒณใƒใƒณใ€ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Š...
19:32
Anna: Boom!
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19:32
Luke: Don't waste any time!
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒ‰ใƒผใƒณ๏ผ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’็„ก้ง„ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใช๏ผ
19:34
Anna: Get on with the gangbang!
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ:[ __ ]ใ‚’็ถšใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„!
19:35
Luke: Yeah, exactly.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
19:37
Anna: So what I've got here is the word was allowed in the second edition of
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใŒใ“ใ“ใงๅพ—ใŸใฎใฏใ€ใ“ใฎๅ˜่ชžใฏใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซ่พžๆ›ธ ใฎ็ฌฌ 2 ็‰ˆใงใฏ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
19:41
the Scrabble dictionary, but then it got removed from the third edition and
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ใŒใ€ใใฎๅพŒใ€็ฌฌ 3 ็‰ˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‰Š้™คใ•ใ‚Œใ€
19:45
then was reintroduced in the fourth.
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ใใฎๅพŒใ€็ฌฌ 4 ็‰ˆใงๅ†ๅฐŽๅ…ฅใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
19:47
Now apparently this is because it changed meaning over the time.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ๆ™‚้–“ใฎ็ตŒ้Žใจใจใ‚‚ใซๆ„ๅ‘ณใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใŸใŸใ‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:52
So gangbang, it's transitioned its meaning from participating
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฐใƒใƒณใ‚ฐใฏใ€
19:58
in gang related activities.
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ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฐ้–ข้€ฃใฎๆดปๅ‹•ใธใฎๅ‚ๅŠ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใใฎๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’็งป่กŒใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
20:01
Luke: Right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
20:02
Gangbanging or to be a gangbanger.
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[ __ ]ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ใพใŸใฏ่ผชๅงฆ็Šฏใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€‚
20:06
Anna: Yeah.
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20:06
Yes.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใฏใ„ใ€‚
20:07
Yeah.
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20:07
So, me and my gang are gonna go and hang out in the fields
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใจ็งใฎไปฒ้–“ใฏ ้‡ŽๅŽŸใซ่กŒใฃใฆ
20:11
and just make daisy chains.
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ใƒ‡ใ‚คใ‚ธใƒผใƒใ‚งใƒผใƒณใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
20:13
We're just having a gangbang.
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็งใŸใกใฏ[ __ ]ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:14
Luke: Um, I dunno about that.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:18
I think it would be more like what, some guys going and
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ใ‚€ใ—ใ‚ใ€ไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใฎ็”ทใŸใกใŒ
20:22
stealing a car or something, no?
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่ปŠใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็›—ใฟใซ่กŒใใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ„ใ‚„๏ผŸ
20:24
Anna: Maybe.
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20:24
Luke: Or maybe something as innocent as just collecting flowers.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใญใ€‚
Luke: ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ€ ใŸใ ่Šฑใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็„ก้‚ชๆฐ—ใชใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
20:27
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:28
Anna: Perhaps.
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20:28
I've never been involved with any gang activities.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใญใ€‚
็งใฏๆšดๅŠ›ๅ›ฃใฎๆดปๅ‹•ใซ้–ขไธŽใ—ใŸใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
20:31
So, and some people might be listening, going, what on earth are they...?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒ ใ€ใ„ใฃใŸใ„ไฝ•ใชใ‚“ใ ใ‚ใ†โ€ฆ๏ผŸ
20:35
Why are they laughing so much?
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ใชใœๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚“ใชใซ็ฌ‘ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
20:36
What is going on?
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ไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹๏ผŸ ่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰
20:38
The like overarching meaning of this word that everyone knows it
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ใฎๅŒๆง˜ใฎๅŒ…ๆ‹ฌ็š„ใชๆ„ๅ‘ณใฏใ€
20:43
for is a bunch of chaps having intimate relations with one woman.
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ไธ€ไบบใฎๅฅณๆ€งใจ่ฆชๅฏ†ใช้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚’ๆŒใคๅคงๅ‹ขใฎ็”ทใŸใกใงใ™ใ€‚
20:50
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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20:50
Anna: And so that's why we're kind of like sniggering and giggling.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ใ‚ฏใ‚นใƒƒใจ็ฌ‘ใฃใŸใ‚Š็ฌ‘ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:54
Luke: About sex - lol.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใซใคใ„ใฆใฏ - (็ฌ‘)ใ€‚
20:57
Anna: So yes, initially it was thought of as gang related activities
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใฏใ„ใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฐ้–ข้€ฃใฎๆดปๅ‹•ใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
21:01
to then something quite naughty.
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ใใฎๅพŒใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ‚จใƒƒใƒใชๆดปๅ‹•ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:03
And then it went back to meaning participating in gang related activities.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใ‚ฐ้–ข้€ฃใฎๆดปๅ‹•ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใซๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:07
I don't know how that happens.
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ใฉใ†ใ—ใฆใใ†ใชใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
21:08
Luke: So as the word sort of drifted in and out of acceptability.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใŒ ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
21:13
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
21:14
Luke: The word has become because, 'cause yeah, in Scrabble...
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Luke: ใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใฏใ€ ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใงโ€ฆ
21:16
Anna: It was in and out, in and out.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๅ…ฅใฃใŸใ‚Šๅ‡บใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅ…ฅใฃใŸใ‚Šๅ‡บใŸใ‚Šใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:17
In and out.
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ๅ†…ๅค–ใซใ€‚
21:19
Luke: Yeah.
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21:19
That's another way of saying it, Anna, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใฏๅˆฅใฎ ่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
21:21
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
21:22
Luke: 'Cause in Scrabble, like rude or taboo or swear words are not allowed,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ ใฃใฆใ€ใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใงใฏใ€ๅคฑ็คผใช ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚„ใ‚ฟใƒ–ใƒผใ€ๆ‚ชๅฃใชใฉใฏ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
21:26
which I find completely wrong and disappointing because I mean, you
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŒๅ…จใซ้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใฆๆฎ‹ๅฟตใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:32
know, why exclude the swear words?
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใชใœๆ‚ชๅฃใ‚’้™คๅค–ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
21:34
Anna: Maybe it's because it's not family friendly.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๅฎถๆ—ๅ‘ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
21:37
Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
21:38
Okay.
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21:38
If you're playing it with your grandma, and you write, you know, you put down
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใŠใฐใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใจ้Šใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€[ __ ]ใ‚’ ็ฆๆญขใ—ใŸใจๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ€
21:42
gangbang and then, you know, you say, well, it's in the rules, grandma,
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใƒซใƒผใƒซใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€ใŠใฐใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใ€
21:47
you're allowed to use that word.
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ใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใฎใฏ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ†ๅ ดๅˆใ€‚
21:49
Yeah, I suppose they're just trying to prevent those sort of family, potential
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใ€
21:54
problems that could be caused by writing extremely rude words on a board.
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้žๅธธใซๅคฑ็คผใช่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใซๆ›ธใ่พผใ‚€ใ“ใจใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€ใใฎ็จฎใฎๅฎถๆ—ใฎๅ•้กŒใ‚’้ฟใ‘ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:59
I mean, it, you know, depends how committed you are to winning
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซ ๅ‹ใคใ“ใจใซใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘็†ฑๅฟƒใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ใ‹ใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๆฑบใพใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆ
22:01
the game, doesn't it really?
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ใญ๏ผŸ
22:02
If you're like, I'm gonna risk it all.
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใใ†ใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏใ™ในใฆใ‚’ๅฑ้™บใซใ•ใ‚‰ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:04
And I'm gonna, I'm gonna write gangbang.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ[ __ ]ใ‚’ๆ›ธใใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
22:08
I don't care what my grandparents think.
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็ฅ–็ˆถๆฏใŒใฉใ†ๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใชใ‚“ใฆๆฐ—ใซใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
22:10
I wanna win this game and I'm prepared to defend my choice.
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ใ“ใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใซใฏๅ‹ใกใŸใ„ใ—ใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ้ธๆŠžใ‚’ๅฎˆใ‚‹ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใฏใงใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
22:13
I'll Google it in front of them if I have to.
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ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๅ‰ใงใ‚ฐใƒผใ‚ฐใƒซใง่ชฟในใพใ™ใ€‚
22:18
Anna: And display the trophy with pride.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ—ใฆใ€่ช‡ใ‚‰ใ—ใ’ใซใƒˆใƒญใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚’้ฃพใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
22:21
Luke: Yeah.
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22:21
Anna: Okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:22
So that's Scrabble.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใƒซใงใ™ใ€‚
22:23
We'll leave that there.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใŠใใพใ™ใ€‚
22:25
Luke: Okay.
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22:25
Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
22:27
Anna: So some, I think when it comes to board games, you're either a lover
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏใ€
22:31
of games that really take strategy and thinking, so they're like strategic
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ๆˆฆ็•ฅใจๆ€่€ƒใ‚’ๅฟ…่ฆใจใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๆ„›ๅฅฝๅฎถใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€
22:36
games that you have to use your brain.
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้ ญใ‚’ไฝฟใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆˆฆ็•ฅ็š„ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซไผผใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:38
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
22:39
Anna: Or they're just a game of chance.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๅ˜ใชใ‚‹้‹ไปปใ›ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ€‚
22:41
And I guess with younger children, a lot of their board games tend
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅนผใ„ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๅคšใใฏใ€
22:44
to be just rolling a dice or, you know, picking the right card.
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ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ณใƒญใ‚’ๆŒฏใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ ้ฉๅˆ‡ใชใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’้ธใถใ ใ‘ใฎๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:48
It's all a game of chance.
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ใ™ในใฆใฏ้‹ๆฌก็ฌฌใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ ใ€‚
22:50
For example, Snakes and Ladders, the old classic Snakes and Ladders.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ๅคใ„ๅคๅ…ธ็š„ใชใ€ŒSnakes and Laddersใ€ใงใ™ใ€‚
22:55
Luke: Snakes and Ladders.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่›‡ใจใฏใ—ใ”ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
22:56
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
22:57
Anna: You just have to get the right numbers and work your way up the board.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆญฃใ—ใ„ๆ•ฐๅญ—ใ‚’ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใฆใ€ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใฎไธŠไฝใซ้€ฒใ‚€ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
23:01
And what happens if you land on a ladder?
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใฏใ—ใ”ใฎไธŠใซ็€ๅœฐใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
23:04
Luke: You climb up it.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผš็™ปใ‚‹ใฎใญใ€‚ ็พๅฎŸไธ–็•ŒใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ
23:06
If you land on a snake's head, just like in the real world,
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ใ€ใƒ˜ใƒ“ใฎ้ ญใซ็€ๅœฐใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ€
23:09
you slide all the way down.
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ไธ‹ใพใงๆป‘ใ‚Š่ฝใกใพใ™ใ€‚
23:11
All the way down to its tail.
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ๅฐปๅฐพใพใงใšใฃใจใ€‚
23:13
Anna: Yeah.
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23:13
Luke: I mean, yeah.
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23:13
It's not based in, it's not a very realistic game, I suppose.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใƒ™ใƒผใ‚นใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ—ใ€ ใ‚ใพใ‚Š็พๅฎŸ็š„ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:17
Anna: No.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
23:18
Luke: You're more likely to get bitten by the snake, I suppose.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่›‡ใซๅ™›ใพใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:21
Especially if you land on its head.
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็‰นใซ้ ญใ‹ใ‚‰็€ๅœฐใ—ใŸๅ ดๅˆใ€‚
23:22
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
23:23
Luke: But anyway, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใงใ‚‚ใจใซใ‹ใใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
23:24
In terms of the game, yeah.
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
23:26
You climb up the ladder if you land at the bottom of it, if you're lucky enough.
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้‹ใŒ่‰ฏใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใฏใ—ใ”ใฎไธ€็•ชไธ‹ใซ็€ใ„ใŸใ‚‰ ใ€ใฏใ—ใ”ใ‚’็™ปใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
23:30
And if you land on a snake's head, you slide all the way down to the bottom
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ใใ—ใฆใƒ˜ใƒ“ใฎ้ ญใซ็€ๅœฐใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ไธ‹ใพใงๆป‘ใ‚Š่ฝใกใพใ™ใ€
23:33
and it's, yeah, the drama, the, ahh no!
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใใ†ใ€ใƒ‰ใƒฉใƒžใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ ใ‚ใงใ™๏ผ
23:37
Slide all the way down!
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ใšใฃใจไธ‹ใพใงๆป‘ใ‚Šใพใ™๏ผ
23:38
But yeah, the kids love it because it's pretty simple stuff.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ‚ทใƒณใƒ—ใƒซใชๅ†…ๅฎนใชใฎใงๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฏๅคงๅ–œใณใงใ™ใ€‚
23:41
Anna: Yeah.
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23:41
Aging up again.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใพใŸ่€ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ€‚
23:43
One of the things I used to play a lot as a child was Trivial Pursuit.
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็งใŒๅญไพ›ใฎ้ ƒใซใ‚ˆใ้Šใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ Trivial Pursuit ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:46
Did you ever play that?
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
23:47
Luke: Oh, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
23:48
I love a bit of Trivial Pursuit.
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็งใฏใ€ŽTrivial Pursuitใ€ใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
23:49
Anna: What do you love about it?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšไฝ•ใŒๅฅฝใใชใฎ๏ผŸ
23:51
Luke: I think the trivia more than the pursuit.
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Luke: ่ฟฝๆฑ‚ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใƒˆใƒชใƒ“ใ‚ขใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:54
Anna: Right.
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23:54
Luke: In fact, I'm quite happy sometimes to just get the box of cards and just
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
Luke: ๅฎŸใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใ€ ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใฎๅ…ฅใฃใŸ็ฎฑใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใ€
23:59
like, just ask me some questions.
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ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจ่ณชๅ•ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใ ใ‘ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
24:01
Let's ask each other questions, you know?
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ใŠไบ’ใ„ใซ่ณชๅ•ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใƒ›ใ‚คใƒผใƒซใฎไธญใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใช่‰ฒใฎใƒใƒผใ‚บใฎ
24:03
Never mind about these bits of different coloured cheese in a wheel.
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ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‰ใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
24:07
Like what?
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ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช๏ผŸ
24:08
Just ask the questions.
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่ณชๅ•ใ ใ‘ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
24:10
Anna: Yeah.
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24:10
That's right.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
24:11
I called it a pie in the notes, but you're right, it's a
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ใƒกใƒขใงใฏใƒ‘ใ‚คใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
24:13
wheel and it's cheeses, right?
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ใƒ›ใ‚คใƒผใƒซใจใƒใƒผใ‚บใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
24:15
Luke: Well, I don't know, 'cause like when you play Trivial Pursuit, people will
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Luke: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใชใœใชใ‚‰ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ€ŽTrivial Pursuitใ€ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏ
24:18
just decide to call it a pie or cheese.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒ‘ใ‚คใ‹ใƒใƒผใ‚บใจๅ‘ผใถใ‹ๆฑบใ‚ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
24:22
It's cheese pies.
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ใƒใƒผใ‚บใƒ‘ใ‚คใงใ™ใ€‚
24:23
Anna: Yeah.
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24:23
Luke: I don't know really.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚
24:25
That's not written in the rules, is it?
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่ฆ็ด„ใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
24:27
I dunno.
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24:27
Segments, segments.
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็งใฏ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใ‚ปใ‚ฐใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ€ใ‚ปใ‚ฐใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ€‚
24:29
Anna: It sounds really familiar.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ‡ใ‹ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
24:30
As soon as you said cheese, that really made sense to me.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใƒใƒผใ‚บใจ่จ€ใ†ใจใ™ใใซใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ„ๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:34
I was like, yeah, that's what we used to call it.
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็งใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ็งใŸใกใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:35
I couldn't remember.
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ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ›ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
24:36
I'm sure that's what it's written as.
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็ขบใ‹ใซใใ†ๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:38
You have a cheese.
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ใƒใƒผใ‚บใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใญใ€‚
24:39
Luke: Because Trivial Pursuit, it's got a kind of air of slight
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Luke: ใ€ŽTrivial Pursuitใ€ใซใฏใ€ ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๆด—็ทดใ•ใ‚ŒใŸ้›ฐๅ›ฒๆฐ—ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
24:42
sophistication about it and sort of, oh, we're very clever and sophisticated.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅƒ•ใ‚‰ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่ณขใใฆๆด—็ทดใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใ ใชใ€ใจใ€‚
24:46
We know things about science and geography, and history
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็งใŸใกใฏ็ง‘ๅญฆ ใ€ๅœฐ็†ใ€ๆญดๅฒใ€
24:50
and literature and the arts.
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ๆ–‡ๅญฆใ€่Šธ่ก“ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:52
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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24:52
Luke: I don't think they're referring to those pieces as cheeses.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
Luke: ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ใƒใƒผใ‚บใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
24:55
I think they call them segments.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ใ‚ปใ‚ฐใƒกใƒณใƒˆใจๅ‘ผใถใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:57
Anna: Oh, oh yes.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
24:58
Luke: I guess so.
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24:58
I would imagine so.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใใ†ๆƒณๅƒใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
24:59
Anna: That would be sensible.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใฏ่ณขๆ˜Žใชใ“ใจใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
25:01
Yeah.
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25:01
So for those listening, Trivial Pursuit is basically a round board game?
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใงใฏใ€่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใซใจใฃใฆใ€ใ€ŽTrivial Pursuitใ€ใฏ ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซๅ††ๅฝขใฎใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ‹?
25:07
Well, it has a big circle that you have to get around, and as you keep going around
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ“ใซใฏๅ›žใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ๅคงใใชๅ††ใŒใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€็ฉบใฎใ‚ปใ‚ฐใƒกใƒณใƒˆใŒ
25:11
it with your little piece that has loads of segments that are empty, you have
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฐใ•ใชใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆใใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใ‚’
25:16
to fill up your, let's call it a pie.
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ๅ›žใ‚Š็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚คใจๅ‘ผใถใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:18
You have to fill up your pie with all these little pieces.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฎๅฐใ•ใชใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใงใƒ‘ใ‚คใ‚’ๆบ€ใŸใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:21
And you get those pieces by landing on different colours,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็•ฐใชใ‚‹่‰ฒใ€ใคใพใ‚Š็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซ็€ๅœฐใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™
25:24
which are different topics.
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ใ€‚
25:26
So you have things like sports and leisure, geography, arts and
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ใ‚นใƒใƒผใƒ„ ใ‚„ใƒฌใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใ€ๅœฐ็†ใ€่Šธ่ก“ใ€
25:30
literature, things like that.
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ๆ–‡ๅญฆใชใฉใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:32
Luke: Yeah.
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25:32
Anna: So different topics of questions and every time you land on
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ่ณชๅ•ใฎใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใŒ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅบƒๅ ดใซ ็€ใใŸใณใซ
25:34
a square, you get asked that question.
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ใใฎ่ณชๅ•ใŒ่žใ‹ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
25:38
If you can answer it, you get your cheese or your segment or whatever it is.
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็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใƒใƒผใ‚บใ‚„ใ‚ปใ‚ฐใƒกใƒณใƒˆใชใฉใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
25:41
You get your piece.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝœๅ“ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
25:42
Luke: Cheese is good.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใƒใƒผใ‚บใฏใŠใ„ใ—ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
25:43
Anna: And when you fill up your entire pie, wheel, then you no
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใƒ‘ใ‚คๅ…จไฝ“ใ‚’ๆบ€ใŸใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใƒ›ใ‚คใƒผใƒซใ‚’ไฝฟใ„
25:49
longer have to keep going around.
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็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:51
You can move up the middle and it's the first person to then get, and
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็œŸใ‚“ไธญใฎไธŠใซ็งปๅ‹•ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ๆœ€ๅˆใซ็ฒๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใซใชใ‚Šใ€
25:54
you have to roll the exact number.
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ๆญฃ็ขบใช็•ชๅทใ‚’ๆŒฏใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:56
It's so frustrating to get into the middle and then you are the winner, and
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ไธญ็›คใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆๅ‹่€…ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ใ‚คใƒฉใ‚คใƒฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ— ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใ“ใฎ
26:00
I think that's the downfall of the game.
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ่ฝใจใ—็ฉดใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ€‚
26:02
Like you said, the fun is the trivia, it's answering the questions.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใฎใฏ ใƒˆใƒชใƒ“ใ‚ขใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่ณชๅ•ใซ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
26:07
The boring bit is having to roll the dice and get the right numbers
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้€€ๅฑˆใชใฎใฏใ€็›ฎ็š„ใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๅˆฐ้”ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ณใƒญใ‚’ๆŒฏใฃใฆๆญฃใ—ใ„ๆ•ฐๅญ—ใ‚’ๅ‡บใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™
26:11
to get to where you need to be.
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ใ€‚
26:12
Luke: But it's quite clever in the way that they've made the game where
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Luke: ใงใ‚‚ใ€
26:15
if it wasn't for the board and the cheeses and the pies and going around
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใจ ใƒใƒผใ‚บใจใƒ‘ใ‚คใŒใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚‹ใใ‚‹ๅ›žใฃใฆ
26:19
and collecting cheese and going to the middle, if it wasn't for that,
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ใƒใƒผใ‚บใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆ็œŸใ‚“ไธญใซ่กŒใใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†็‚นใงใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ณขใ„ใญ ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใใ‚ŒใŒใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‰ ใ€
26:22
it would essentially just be a list of questions under different topics.
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใฏใ€ ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ๅ˜ใชใ‚‹่ณชๅ•ใฎใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
26:25
Anna: It'd be a quiz.
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26:25
Luke: It'd just be a quiz.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ฏใ‚คใ‚บใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ใฎใ‚ฏใ‚คใ‚บใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
26:26
They could have sold it as a book.
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ๆœฌใจใ—ใฆ่ฒฉๅฃฒใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใŸใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
26:27
Anna: Yeah.
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26:27
Just gone to the pub, gone to a pub quiz.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒ‘ใƒ–ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ–ใ‚ฏใ‚คใ‚บใซ่กŒใฃใฆใใŸใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:31
Luke: Yeah, exactly yeah.
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26:31
No, obviously this is the joy of the board game as a thing that there's a
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๆฅฝใ—ใฟใงใ™ใ€‚
26:35
board and you wait your turn, you roll some dice and yeah, you know, the ritual
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใŒใ‚ใฃใฆ้ †็•ชใ‚’ๅพ…ใกใ€ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ณใƒญใ‚’ๆŒฏใฃใฆใ€ ใใ†ใ€
26:39
of a board game is a fantastic thing.
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎๅ„€ๅผใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
26:42
And so yeah, let's just turn a quiz into a board game.
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ใใ†ใ ใ€ ใ‚ฏใ‚คใ‚บใ‚’ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซๅค‰ใˆใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
26:45
And they've done a very good job.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
26:46
It's one of the most successful board games that's ever been created.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใซไฝœๆˆใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎไธญใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆˆๅŠŸใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใฎ 1 ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
26:50
Anna: Lots of versions of it.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
26:51
I think for me, one of the downfalls is that it does go out of date.
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็งใซใจใฃใฆใ€ๆฌ ็‚นใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ ใใ‚ŒใŒๆ™‚ไปฃ้…ใ‚Œใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:55
If you are young, it goes out of date for you quite quickly.
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่‹ฅใ„ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ™ใใซๆ™‚ไปฃ้…ใ‚Œใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:58
So I was quite young when I started playing this, and there were questions
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใ€็งใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š่‹ฅใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€
27:01
about like, politics and things.
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ๆ”ฟๆฒปใชใฉใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ่ณชๅ•ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:02
I was a kid.
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็งใฏๅญไพ›ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:04
Luke: Yeah.
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27:04
Anna: I had no idea about, if you had like arts and leisure and it's about movies and
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅ…จใ็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚‚ใ— ่Šธ่ก“ใ‚„ใƒฌใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใŒๅฅฝใใงใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๆ˜ ็”ปใชใฉใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใฃใŸใ‚‰
27:08
things, it could be very much of its time and not as relevant or well-known, so...
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ™‚ไปฃใฎๆตใ‚Œใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใปใฉ ้–ข้€ฃๆ€งใ‚‚็Ÿฅๅๅบฆใ‚‚ไฝŽใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใง...
27:14
Luke: Also quite American-centric as well.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใ‚‚ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไธญๅฟƒใงใ™ ๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
27:17
Some of the early, maybe the first edition.
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ๅˆๆœŸใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ€ ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅˆ็‰ˆใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
27:20
That's the one I think that we've got at my parents' house.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ ็งใฎๅฎŸๅฎถใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใฎใ‚จใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎไธก่ฆชใจไธ€็ท’ใซ
27:23
It's always funny playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents that edition
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Trivial Pursuit ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:26
because there's always a moment where everyone sort of sneers at the game.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ๅ˜ฒ็ฌ‘ใ™ใ‚‹็žฌ้–“ใŒๅธธใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:31
This is written by an American, you know, like.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๆ›ธใ‹ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
27:35
'Cause all the questions are about American public figures and American
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ใ ใฃใฆใ€่ณชๅ•ใฏใ™ในใฆ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎๅ…ฌไบบใ€ใ“ใฎใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใ€
27:39
this and American that I think.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใŒๆ€ใ†ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
27:41
So it's always quite funny when that, I mean, at some point someone gets it wrong.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใง่ชฐใ‹ใŒ้–“้•ใฃใŸใจใใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅธธใซ้žๅธธใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ ใ€‚
27:45
And there's, this is an American, isn't it who wrote this?
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ›ธใ„ใŸใฎใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
27:49
Anna: You can always update the cards, just buy a fresh box I guess.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใฏใ„ใคใงใ‚‚ๆ›ดๆ–ฐใงใใพใ™ ใ€‚ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒœใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:52
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ€ใใ†ใ€‚
27:53
Anna: And just swap them in.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ไบคๆ›ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
27:55
I'm gonna ask you a few questions now.
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ไปŠใ‹ใ‚‰ใ„ใใคใ‹่ณชๅ•ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:57
Luke: Okay.
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27:57
Anna: Are you ready?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใฏใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
27:58
Luke: Uh, no.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
27:59
Anna: No?
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27:59
Luke: But I'll answer them anyway.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ„ใ„ใˆ๏ผŸ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใจใซใ‹ใ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
28:01
Anna: Okay.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
28:02
So this one is a, what topic is this?
691
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใฎใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ‹?
28:05
It gives you a clue when you know the topic.
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ใƒ†ใƒผใƒžใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
28:07
So this is a sports and leisure question.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚นใƒใƒผใƒ„ใจใƒฌใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ€‚
28:09
Luke: Sports and leisure.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚นใƒใƒผใƒ„ใจใƒฌใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใงใ™ใญใ€‚
28:10
Okay.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
28:11
Anna: True or false?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ๅ˜˜ใงใ™ใ‹? ใใ™ใใ‚Š
28:12
Competitive tickling exists.
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็ซถไบ‰ใŒๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:14
Luke: Competitive tickling.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ™ใใ‚Š็ซถไบ‰ใ€‚
28:16
That's when you tickle someone...
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’ใใ™ใใ‚‹ใจใใงใ™...
28:18
Anna: Like when you like, rub them with your fingers to make them laugh.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฅฝใใชใจใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ๆŒ‡ใงใ“ใ™ใฃใฆ็ฌ‘ใ‚ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:23
Luke: The ribs, under the arms, the soles of the feet,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่‚‹้ชจใ€ ใ‚ใใฎไธ‹ใ€่ถณใฎ่ฃใ€
28:28
competitive tickling, true or false?
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็ซถไบ‰็š„ใชใใ™ใใ‚Šใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ๅ˜˜ใงใ™ใ‹?
28:30
It's, I'm gonna say it's true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:32
I think it's true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:33
Anna: You are correct.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
28:34
You get a cheese.
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ใƒใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ใ„ใŸใ ใใพใ™ใ€‚
28:35
Luke: Oh, brilliant.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใญใ€‚
28:36
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ™ใใ‚Š
28:37
Competitive tickling.
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็ซถไบ‰ใ€‚
28:38
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
28:39
Right.
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28:39
I wonder what the rules are for that, that you...
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ๅณใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฎใƒซใƒผใƒซใฏไฝ•ใชใฎใ ใ‚ใ†ใ‹ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ...
28:42
Anna: Maybe it's that you have to make the other person wet themselves laughing.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅคšๅˆ†ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ ็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚’็ฌ‘ใ‚ใ›ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
28:46
Luke: You get bonus points if, yeah, if they wet themselves.
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Luke: ใใ†ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆฟกใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใƒœใƒผใƒŠใ‚นใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:50
Anna: Yeah.
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28:50
I'm going to divulge, my dad when I was younger, used to tickle me
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ๆšด้œฒใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใŒ่‹ฅใ‹ใฃใŸ้ ƒใ€็ˆถใฏ
28:54
until it was just uncomfortable.
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ไธๅฟซใซใชใ‚‹ใพใง็งใ‚’ใใ™ใใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
28:56
Luke: Yeah.
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28:56
Anna: He would just tickle me and I'd be like, no, please stop.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๅฝผใฏ็งใ‚’ใใ™ใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ ็งใฏใ€Œใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใฃใฆๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
28:58
Please stop.
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28:58
Please stop.
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ๅœๆญขใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
ๅœๆญขใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
28:59
And once he tickled me until I wet myself.
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ใใ—ใฆไธ€ๅบฆใ€็งใŒๆฟกใ‚Œใ‚‹ใพใงใใ™ใใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:01
Luke: Oh my God.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใชใ‚“ใจใ€‚
29:02
Really?
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ๏ผŸ
29:03
Anna: Yeah.
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29:03
It was horrendous.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใฒใฉใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:04
I was like, look what you made me do!
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็งใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็งใซไฝ•ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใŸใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„๏ผ
29:07
He was so good at tickling and I just, I couldn't resist.
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ๅฝผใฏใใ™ใใ‚‹ใฎใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใง ใ€็งใฏๆˆ‘ๆ…ขใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:10
It was awful.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใฒใฉใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
29:11
Luke: Yeah.
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29:11
Well, when you know someone, and you know, that you, you
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
29:14
know exactly how to tickle them.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ใใ™ใใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ๆญฃ็ขบใซ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:16
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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29:16
Luke: Then it's very hard not to tickle them, isn't it?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
Luke: ใใ‚Œใชใ‚‰ใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ใใ™ใใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
29:18
Yeah.
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29:18
But you should probably stop before that person has to change
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ใใฎไบบใŒใ‚บใƒœใƒณใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅฑฅใๆ›ฟใˆใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ‚„ใ‚ใŸใปใ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
29:22
their trousers or something.
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ใ€‚
29:23
Anna: Yeah.
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29:23
I was a child.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
็งใฏๅญไพ›ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:24
I mean, it's not like I did this as an adult, you know?
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŒๅคงไบบใซใชใฃใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
29:27
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
29:28
Anna: So we'll forgive me for that one.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่จฑใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
29:29
Luke: Yeah.
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29:29
Anna: But the next question on my list is a...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ็งใฎใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใฎๆฌกใฎ่ณชๅ•ใฏ...
29:32
Luke: Science and nature.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ็ง‘ๅญฆใจ่‡ช็„ถใ€‚
29:34
FE is the abbreviation of which element on the periodic table?
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FEใฏ ๅ‘จๆœŸ่กจไธŠใฎไฝ•ๅ…ƒ็ด ใฎ็•ฅ็งฐใงใ™ใ‹?
29:38
Okay.
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29:38
I did study chemistry at school.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
็งใฏๅญฆๆ กใงๅŒ–ๅญฆใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
29:41
Anna: Good.
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29:41
Luke: I think this is one of the only ones I remember along with Au, which is gold.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
Luke: ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ้‡‘ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ Au ใจไธฆใ‚“ใง็งใŒ่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใฎ 1 ใคใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:45
Eh, you!
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ใˆใฃใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ๏ผ
29:47
Now there's, there's no joke there, you think about it.
752
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ๅ†—่ซ‡ ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ˆใ่€ƒใˆใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
29:50
But Fe is, is it iron?
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ใงใ‚‚Feใฃใฆใ€้‰„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
29:53
Anna: That's right.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
29:54
Luke: Yes.
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29:54
Anna: Well done.
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29:54
Luke: Yes.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใฏใ„ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ˆใใ‚„ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใฏใ„ใ€‚
29:55
Anna: Ding ding!
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29:55
You get two stars or two cheeses, confused the game.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณ๏ผ
ๆ˜Ÿ 2 ใคใพใŸใฏใƒใƒผใ‚บ 2 ใคใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒๆททไนฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:59
Okay, last question 'cause I don't wanna drag this out too much.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎ่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚ใพใ‚Š้•ทๅผ•ใ‹ใ›ใŸใใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
30:03
Luke: Okay.
761
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
30:04
Anna: A and L is arts and literature.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšAใจLใฏ่Šธ่ก“ใจๆ–‡ๅญฆใงใ™ใ€‚
30:06
Luke: Arts and literature.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่Šธ่ก“ใจๆ–‡ๅญฆใงใ™ใญใ€‚
30:07
Anna: Which classic novel opens with the line "Call me Ishmael."
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ€Œใ‚คใ‚ทใƒฅใƒžใ‚จใƒซใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ปใƒชใƒ•ใงๅง‹ใพใ‚‹ๅคๅ…ธๅฐ่ชฌใฏใฉใ‚Œใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
30:13
Luke: Call me Ishmael.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚คใ‚ทใƒฅใƒžใ‚จใƒซใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
30:16
I don't know.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚
30:18
I have no idea.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€‚
30:20
I should probably guess, but I'm not going to.
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ใŠใใ‚‰ใๆŽจๆธฌใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใŒใ€ๆŽจๆธฌใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:22
Anna: Okay.
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30:22
Luke: But I don't know who is...what's that?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใงใ‚‚ใ€่ชฐใŒ ่ชฐใ ใ‹ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„โ€ฆใ‚ใ‚Œใฏไฝ•๏ผŸ
30:26
Anna: Moby Dick.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš็™ฝ้ฏจใ€‚
30:27
Luke: Oh, right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
30:29
Anna: Have you read it?
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30:29
Luke: I should have known that.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš่ชญใฟใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ‚Œใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฏใšใ ใ€‚
30:31
Have you read it?
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่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
30:32
Anna: I haven't read it.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
30:33
Have you read it?
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30:33
Luke: No, I haven't read it, but I'd like to read it.
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่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒ ใ€่ชญใ‚“ใงใฟใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
30:36
But I'm put off by the fact that it's exceedingly long.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ใ‚ใพใ‚Šใซ้•ทใ„ใฎใงใŒใฃใ‹ใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:39
Anna: Yeah.
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30:39
Like War and Peace.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ๆˆฆไบ‰ใจๅนณๅ’ŒใฟใŸใ„ใซใ€‚
30:41
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
30:42
Yeah.
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30:42
Anna: Yeah.
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30:42
Luke: Exactly.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
30:43
Anna: Okay, so I have one question for the listeners at home, so please don't
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€่‡ชๅฎ…ใฎใƒชใ‚นใƒŠใƒผใซ่ณชๅ•ใŒ 1 ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
30:47
answer this Luke, you can message me later if you think you know the answer.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใซใฏ็ญ”ใˆใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ็ญ”ใˆใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ๅพŒใงใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใ‚’้€ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
30:51
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
30:52
Anna: If you are listening and you are listening or watching on YouTube, then
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš YouTube ใง่žใ„ใŸใ‚Š่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
30:56
you can write the answer in the comments.
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ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใซ็ญ”ใˆใ‚’ๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:58
The question is, what is the only country to start with the letter O?
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ๅ•้กŒใฏใ€ O ใงๅง‹ใพใ‚‹ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๅ›ฝใฏใฉใ“ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
31:04
Luke: Don't Google it, folks.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ฐใƒผใ‚ฐใƒซใงๆคœ็ดขใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
31:06
Anna: Yeah, don't cheat.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€้จ™ใ•ใชใ„ใงใญใ€‚
31:07
Luke: Use your brain.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ้ ญใ‚’ไฝฟใ„ใชใ•ใ„ใ€‚
31:10
Anna: Okay, so that's Trivial Pursuit.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใใ‚Œใงใฏ Trivial Pursuit ใงใ™ใ€‚
31:12
So now one of the most played board games in the world, and it's also
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ใงใฏใ€็พๅœจไธ–็•Œใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ 1 ใคใงใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€่‹ฑๅ›ฝใง
31:16
the most owned board or board game in the UK is, what do you think?
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ๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆ‰€ๆœ‰ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใพใŸใฏใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎ ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใฉใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
31:24
Luke: Um.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
31:26
Hmm.
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ใตใƒผใ‚€ใ€‚
31:28
Hmm.
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ใตใƒผใ‚€ใ€‚
31:29
Anna: Like a standard piece of kit in everyone's house?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใฟใ‚“ใชใฎๅฎถใซใ‚ใ‚‹ๆจ™ๆบ–็š„ใชใ‚ญใƒƒใƒˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ ?
31:32
Luke: Cluedo.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆ‰‹ใŒใ‹ใ‚Šใ ใ€‚
31:33
Anna: Oh no, I don't have a Cluedo set here.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ ใ“ใ“ใซใฏ Cluedo ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
31:35
Luke: Oh, okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
31:36
So it's not Cluedo.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ฏใƒซใƒผใ‚จใƒ‰ใงใฏใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
31:37
Well, it, can we go back to the classics like chess?
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅคๅ…ธ็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใซๆˆปใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
31:41
Anna: Chess.
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31:41
Luke: Chess, okay.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
31:42
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
31:43
Luke: Yeah.
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31:43
I feel like chess is an ancient game or something.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฏ ๅคไปฃใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:45
Anna: It is.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใชใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
31:46
It dates back to the sixth sixth century.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ6ไธ–็ด€ใซใพใง้กใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
31:51
Luke: The sixth century.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: 6ไธ–็ด€ใงใ™ใ€‚
31:52
Anna: Yeah.
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31:52
Luke: Not the sick century where everyone was sick with the plague.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใƒšใ‚นใƒˆใซ็ฝนใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใช็—…ๆฐ—ใฎไธ–็ด€ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
31:55
Anna: Well, they probably were quite sick in the sixth century.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ 6 ไธ–็ด€ใซใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š็—…ๆฐ—ใ ใฃใŸใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
31:58
Luke: I expect so.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:59
But the sixth century.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—6ไธ–็ด€ใ€‚
32:02
Anna: Yeah.
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32:02
Luke: So that's 500 to 599 AD.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่ฅฟๆšฆ 500 ๅนดใ‹ใ‚‰ 599 ๅนดใงใ™ใญใ€‚
32:06
Anna: I'll trust you on that one.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:07
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:08
I don't do mental maths.
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็งใฏๆš—็ฎ—ใฏใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:10
Maths.
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ๆ•ฐๅญฆใ€‚
32:11
Luke: I'm pretty sure that's right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ็ขบใ‹ใซใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:12
Okay.
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32:12
It's the dark ages.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ๆš—้ป’ๆ™‚ไปฃใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
32:13
Anna: Yes.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใฏใ„ใ€‚
32:14
It's a very old game, which means that some of the rules and
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซๅคใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใชใฎใงใ€ ใƒซใƒผใƒซใฎไธ€้ƒจใ‚„
32:18
the way the players move on the board is quite bizarre, really.
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใŒใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใงๅ‹•ใๆ–นๆณ•ใฏ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ้žๅธธใซๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:22
Can you remember what all the, you said in the previous episode,
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ๅ‰ใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใงใ€
32:26
our little chat about Monopoly, that you don't really do chess?
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ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใซใคใ„ใฆใฎใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใŸ้›‘่ซ‡ใงใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šใ—ใชใ„ใฃใฆ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
32:29
Luke: I love chess.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใƒใ‚งใ‚นใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
32:30
Don't get me wrong.
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32:30
I love chess.
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่ชค่งฃใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
็งใฏใƒใ‚งใ‚นใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
32:31
I'm fascinated by chess.
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็งใฏใƒใ‚งใ‚นใซ้ญ…ไบ†ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:32
I do play chess sometimes, but it's too, it's a little beyond me.
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็งใ‚‚ๆ™‚ใ€…ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚‚ใใ†ใงใ™ใ—ใ€็งใซใฏใกใ‚‡ใฃใจ็„ก็†ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:36
Anna: Okay.
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32:36
Luke: But I know the rules.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใงใ‚‚ใƒซใƒผใƒซใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
32:37
So you've got your castles, I call them castles, on the corners.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่ก—่ง’ใซๅŸŽใ€็งใฏ ๅŸŽใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:42
Anna: Yeah.
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32:42
Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:43
Are they, they're supposed to be, 'cause I call them castles too.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใ€ใใ†ใ‚ใ‚‹ในใใชใฎใงใ™ใ€ ็งใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ๅŸŽใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:46
But aren't they like rooks?
845
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใซไผผใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผŸ
32:47
Are they rooks?
846
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
32:48
Luke: Rooks.
847
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32:48
Rooks.
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32:48
Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚นใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚นใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:49
That's right.
850
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32:49
They should be called rooks, I think.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹ในใใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:51
And they go horizontally and vertically.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏๆฐดๅนณใซใ‚‚ๅž‚็›ดใซใ‚‚้€ฒใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
32:53
Anna: Uh-huh.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
32:54
Luke: Then you've got...
854
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32:54
Anna: So straight lines.
855
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Luke: ใใ‚Œใชใ‚‰โ€ฆ
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใจใฆใ‚‚็›ด็ทš็š„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
32:55
I just think about they go in straight lines.
856
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็งใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ็›ด็ทš็š„ใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
32:57
Luke: Straight lines.
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32:57
Exactly.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ็›ด็ทšใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
32:58
Left, right up, down.
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ๅทฆใ€ๅณใ€ไธŠใ€ไธ‹ใ€‚
32:59
Anna: But then I guess a diagonal is a straight,
860
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใ€ ๅฏพ่ง’็ทšใฏ็›ด็ทšใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€
33:01
Luke: Ehh.
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33:01
Anna: It's straight, it doesn't deviate.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใƒผใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใพใฃใ™ใใงใ€ใ‚บใƒฌใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
33:03
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
33:05
True.
864
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็œŸๅฎŸใ€‚
33:06
Anna: Yeah.
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33:06
Luke: It's not curved, is it, diagonal?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
Luke: ๆ›ฒใŒใฃใฆใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€ๆ–œใ‚ใงใ™ใ‚ˆ๏ผŸ
33:08
Anna: No.
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33:08
Luke: Anyway.
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33:08
Anna: Straight line.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใจใซใ‹ใใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš็›ด็ทšใงใ™ใ€‚
33:09
Luke: Up, down, left, right.
870
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ไธŠใ€ไธ‹ใ€ๅทฆใ€ๅณใ€‚
33:11
These are the rooks.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ€‚
33:12
Anna: Yeah.
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33:12
Luke: Then, you've got the knights.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใฏ้จŽๅฃซๅ›ฃใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใญใ€‚
33:15
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
33:16
Luke: Or horses.
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33:16
Anna: The little horseys.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚้ฆฌใ‹ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฐใ•ใช้ฆฌใŸใกใ‚ˆใ€‚
33:17
Luke: Yeah, little horses.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ€ๅฐใ•ใช้ฆฌใŸใกใ‚ˆใ€‚
33:18
And they do an interesting L shape, which is quite interesting.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้ข็™ฝใ„Lๅญ—ๅž‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒ ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
33:22
They can go forward three and right one or forward three and left one.
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ๅ‰ใซ 3 ใคใจๅณใซ 1 ใคใ€ใพใŸใฏๅ‰ใซ 3 ใคใจๅทฆใซ 1 ใค้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
33:26
Anna: Is it forward three?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒฏใƒผใƒ‰3ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
33:28
Yeah, it is forward three.
881
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒฏใƒผใƒ‰3ใงใ™ใ€‚
33:29
Luke: It's like, yeah.
882
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33:29
Anna: From the one they're on, then two forward from there, right?
883
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ„ใ‚‹1ๆœฌใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰2ๆœฌๅ‰ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
33:32
Luke: Yeah.
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33:32
They can kind of go in any direction in that pattern, like,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใใฎใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใงใฏใ€ใฉใฎๆ–นๅ‘ใซใ‚‚้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
33:35
you know, or they can go right.
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ๅณใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
33:39
And then, oh, I just can't!
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใซใฏ็„ก็†ใ ๏ผ
33:41
L shapes.
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Lๅญ—ๅž‹ใ€‚
33:42
Anna: Yeah.
889
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33:42
L shape.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
Lๅญ—ๅž‹ใ€‚
33:43
So it's actually two from the square they're on.
891
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2010
ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ๅบƒๅ ดใ‹ใ‚‰2ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
33:45
Luke: Yeah.
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33:45
Anna: They can only move two more squares forward.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใจ 2 ใƒžใ‚นใ—ใ‹ๅ‰้€ฒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
33:47
Luke: Oh, is it two?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€๏ผ’ใคใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
33:48
Anna: Yeah.
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33:48
I don't think it's three.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
3ใคใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
33:49
Luke: It's not three.
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33:49
Anna: Because if you are starting your horse, or your knight...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผš3ใคใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ้ฆฌใ‚„้จŽๅฃซใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰...
33:53
Luke: Yeah.
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33:53
Anna: You can jump over.
900
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš้ฃ›ใณ่ถŠใˆใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
33:54
It's the only player that can jump.
901
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ใ‚ธใƒฃใƒณใƒ—ใงใใ‚‹ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
33:55
Luke: Of course it's two.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€2ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
33:57
Yeah.
903
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33:57
Anna: So it jumps over the pawn.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใƒใƒผใƒณใ‚’้ฃ›ใณ่ถŠใˆใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
33:59
We'll come back to those, jump over the pawn and then move across.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใซๆˆปใ‚Šใ€ ใƒใƒผใƒณใ‚’้ฃ›ใณ่ถŠใˆใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆจชใซ็งปๅ‹•ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:02
Luke: Right.
906
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34:02
Anna: So it's only two forward and one across.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๅ‰ๆ–นใซ 2 ใคใจๆจชๆ–นๅ‘ใซ 1 ใคใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
34:04
Luke: Yeah.
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34:04
Okay.
909
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
34:05
And, you know, in any variation of that, that pattern basically, you know?
910
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใใฎใƒใƒชใ‚จใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฏๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใใฎใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
34:09
Anna: Mm-hmm.
911
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34:09
Mm-hmm.
912
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34:09
Luke: Which is interesting.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ‚Œใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใญใ€‚
34:10
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
34:11
Luke: And then you've got the bishops.
915
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใใ—ใฆๅธๆ•™ใŸใกใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
34:13
Anna: Oh yes, they're wonky lines.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใใ†ใ€ๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใช็ทšใงใ™ใญใ€‚
34:15
Luke: They go in diagonal...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆ–œใ‚ใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ‚‹โ€ฆ
34:16
Anna: Not wonky lines!
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34:16
Luke: Diagonal lines that you got one on the white squares,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใŠใ‹ใ—ใช็ทšใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใ‚ˆ!
Luke: ๆ–œใ‚ใฎ็ทšใ€ ็™ฝใ„ๅ››่ง’ใซ 1 ใคใ€
34:19
one on the black squares.
920
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้ป’ใ„ๅ››่ง’ใซ 1 ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
34:21
And they can command the diagonal lines, as it were.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ„ใ‚ใฐๅฏพ่ง’็ทšใ‚’ๆŒ‡ๆฎใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใ€‚
34:24
Anna: Axis.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš่ปธใงใ™ใ€‚
34:25
Luke: Axes.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆ–งใงใ™ใ€‚
34:26
Yeah.
924
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34:26
And then you've got the queen and the king.
925
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๅฅณ็Ž‹ใจ็Ž‹ใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:30
The queen is the boss of the game.
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ๅฅณ็Ž‹ใฏใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎใƒœใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
34:33
Anna: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€ใ™ใ”ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
34:34
Luke: Brilliant.
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34:34
Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผš็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใญใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
34:35
Anna: She's so strong as a player.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๅฝผๅฅณใฏ้ธๆ‰‹ใจใ—ใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ๅผทใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
34:37
But the king...
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็Ž‹ใฏโ€ฆ
34:38
Luke: Fully the strongest player on the board.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅผทใ„ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใ€‚
34:40
But the king is bloody useless in terms of being able to do anything.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็Ž‹ใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†็‚นใงใฏใพใฃใŸใๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใŸใชใ„ ใ€‚
34:44
All the king does is run away, doesn't he?
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็Ž‹ๆง˜ใฏ้€ƒใ’ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
34:45
He will hide.
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ๅฝผใฏ้š ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
34:47
Anna: Yeah.
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34:47
Behind all the other players.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ไป–ใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผๅ…จๅ“กใฎๅพŒใ‚ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:48
Luke: He can take pieces, but it's rare.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅฝผใฏใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใ‚‹ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็จ€ใ ใ€‚
34:51
But the queen is just amazing.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฅณ็Ž‹ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
34:53
She can go straight lines, diagonal lines.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็›ด็ทšใ‚‚ๆ–œใ‚ใฎ็ทšใ‚‚่ตฐใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ€‚
34:56
Anna: She can't do a horse move though.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ้ฆฌใฎๅ‹•ใใฏใงใใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
34:58
Luke: She can't do a horse...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅฝผๅฅณใฏ้ฆฌใฏใงใใชใ„โ€ฆ
34:59
Anna: Or a knight move, a knight move.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏ้จŽๅฃซใฎๅ‹•ใใ€้จŽๅฃซใฎๅ‹•ใใ€‚
35:01
Luke: Correct.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
35:02
She can't do that.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใซใฏใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:04
She can't jump like like that.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใใ‚“ใชใตใ†ใซใฏใ‚ธใƒฃใƒณใƒ—ใงใใชใ„ใ€‚
35:06
Yeah.
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35:06
And, and the king can only can move in any direction, but only one square at a time.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใ€็Ž‹ใฏใฉใฎๆ–นๅ‘ใซใ‚‚็งปๅ‹•ใงใใพใ™ ใŒใ€ไธ€ๅบฆใซ 1 ใƒžใ‚นใ—ใ‹็งปๅ‹•ใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:11
Anna: Yeah.
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35:11
Which is exactly the same as...
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ...
35:12
oh no, pawns.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใƒใƒผใƒณใจใพใฃใŸใๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
35:14
They can only move one square, but they...
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ 1 ใƒžใ‚นใ—ใ‹็งปๅ‹•ใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€...
35:16
Luke: Two squares their first move.
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Luke: ๆœ€ๅˆใฎ็งปๅ‹•ใฏ 2 ใƒžใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
35:17
They can go two.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ2ไบบใง่กŒใ‘ใ‚‹ใ€‚
35:18
Anna: That's right.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
35:19
Their first steps.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆœ€ๅˆใฎไธ€ๆญฉใ€‚
35:20
But they can't move backwards.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅพŒๆˆปใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:22
They can only move forwards.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅ‰ใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใ—ใ‹ใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:23
Luke: They take other pieces by going diagonally.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผš ๆ–œใ‚ใซ้€ฒใ‚“ใงไป–ใฎ้ง’ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
35:26
Anna: Diagonally.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๆ–œใ‚ใซใญใ€‚
35:27
That's right.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
35:29
Luke: But when they get to the end...
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Luke: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆœ€ๅพŒใพใงๆฅใŸใ‚‰โ€ฆ
35:31
Anna: You can swap them for any player that's been taken off the board.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅค–ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใจไบคๆ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใ€‚
35:35
Luke: Yeah, you can.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใงใใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
35:36
So if you've lost your queen, but one little pawn has just like made
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฅณ็Ž‹ใ‚’ๅคฑใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ 1 ๅŒนใฎๅฐใ•ใชใƒใƒผใƒณใŒใชใ‚“ใจใ‹
35:40
it all the way to the end, somehow.
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ๆœ€ๅพŒใพใงใ‚„ใ‚Š้‚ใ’ใŸใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
35:42
Anna: Yeah.
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35:42
Luke: All the others have like, wait a minute.
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Luke: ไป–ใฎไบบใŸใกใฏใฟใ‚“ใชใ€ ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅพ…ใฃใฆใฃใฆๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
35:43
Where's that pawn gone?
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ใ‚ใฎใƒใƒผใƒณใฏใฉใ“ใธ่กŒใฃใŸ๏ผŸ
35:44
Oh, he's got to the end.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใฏใ‚‚ใ†็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚
35:46
Anna: Oh no!
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35:46
Luke: And then you could replace that one with a queen and
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ‚„๏ผ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฅณ็Ž‹ใซ็ฝฎใๆ›ใˆใ‚‹ใจใ€
35:49
suddenly, pow I'm back, bitches!
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็ช็„ถใ€ๆˆปใฃใฆใใŸใ‚ˆใ€้›Œ็Šฌ!
35:52
Anna: You can have two queens on the board at any one time as well, right?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅŒๆ™‚ใซ 2 ไบบใฎใ‚ฏใ‚คใƒผใƒณใ‚’ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใซ็ฝฎใใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใ‚ˆ ใญ?
35:56
Luke: Can you?
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35:56
Anna: So if you, I think if you already have your queen and then you
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใงใใ‚‹๏ผŸ
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ใ™ใงใซใ‚ฏใ‚คใƒผใƒณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€
36:00
get a pawn to the other end maybe.
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ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅๅฏพๅดใฎ็ซฏใซใƒใƒผใƒณใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:02
This is a bad rule that I've been playing.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒใ‚„ใฃใฆใใŸๆ‚ชใ„ใƒซใƒผใƒซใงใ™ใ€‚
36:04
Luke: People listening do know more about chess than us.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŸใกใฏ ็งใŸใกใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:07
This is just Luke and Anna talk about a game they don't really understand.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใจใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ ใ€‚
36:11
Anna: Well, I taught myself chess as a young child from a book that
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใ‚‚ๅนผใ„้ ƒใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Šๅคใ„ๆœฌใงใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚’็‹ฌๅญฆใ—ใพใ—ใŸใŒ
36:15
was also pretty old, and I wasn't very good at reading at the time.
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ใ€ ๅฝ“ๆ™‚ใฏ่ชญใ‚€ใฎใŒใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅพ—ๆ„ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
36:18
So, you know, I'm probably making some rules up as I go.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใใ€ ใ‚„ใ‚ŠใชใŒใ‚‰ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒซใƒผใƒซใ‚’ไฝœใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:21
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
36:22
Anna: But yeah, chess is one of those games that if you understand it,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฏใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€
36:26
and if you've got the kind of mind that can remember strategies and you
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ๆˆฆ็•ฅใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใฆใ€
36:30
can think several moves ahead, then it could be over really quickly.
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ๆ•ฐๆ‰‹ๅ…ˆใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹้ ญ่„ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ™ใใซ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ 1 ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
36:34
And people play speed chess, don't they?
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ใใ—ใฆไบบใ€…ใฏใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
36:36
Where they're just like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใ€ ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:38
Luke: Yeah.
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36:38
Anna: They're hitting the clock and moving their piece and it's just done.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ™‚่จˆใ‚’ๆ‰“ใฃใฆ ้ง’ใ‚’ๅ‹•ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใง็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
36:41
Whereas when I play chess, I often get to the point where there's just
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ไธ€ๆ–นใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€
36:45
two pieces left a player, a piece per player, and you're just constantly
993
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใ”ใจใซ้ง’ใŒ 2 ใคใ—ใ‹ๆฎ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†็Šถๆณใซ้™ฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใฏๅธธใซ
36:50
moving around the board trying to, and you just can't end the game
994
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใ‚’ๅ‹•ใๅ›žใฃใฆใ€ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’็ต‚ไบ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใพใงใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’็ต‚ไบ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
36:53
until you just go, d'you know what?
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ใŸใ ่กŒใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
36:54
Luke: Stalemate.
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36:54
Anna: I give up, I give up.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆ‰‹่ฉฐใพใ‚Šใ ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš่ซฆใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€่ซฆใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚
36:56
Luke: Yeah.
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36:56
Where there's just two pieces chasing each other around the board.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใง 2 ใคใฎ้ง’ใŒใŠไบ’ใ„ใ‚’่ฟฝใ„ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
36:58
It's completely stupid.
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ๅฎŒๅ…จใซใƒใ‚ซใงใ™ใญใ€‚
37:00
But yeah, I mean it's a fascinating game though 'cause of the level of intelligence
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใซ้ฉ็”จใงใใ‚‹็Ÿฅๆ€งใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใจใ€
37:05
that can be applied to it and these chess grandmasters are absolutely amazing.
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ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎ ใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
37:10
Anna: Yeah, so there's two that I've got in the notes, which is Magnus Carlson.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใฏใ„ใ€ใƒกใƒขใซใฏ 2 ไบบใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ใƒžใ‚ฐใƒŠใ‚นใƒปใ‚ซใƒผใƒซใ‚ฝใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
37:14
Luke: Yeah.
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37:14
Anna: And Beth Harmon.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใจใƒ™ใ‚นใƒปใƒใƒผใƒขใƒณใ€‚
37:16
Now, there was a really interesting drama that was made about Beth Harmon.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ ใƒ™ใ‚นใƒปใƒใƒผใƒขใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆไฝœใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใƒ‰ใƒฉใƒžใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
37:21
Luke: Yeah.
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37:21
Anna: And that was called The Queen's Gambit.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ€Ž ใ‚ฏใ‚คใƒผใƒณใ‚บใƒปใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใƒ“ใƒƒใƒˆใ€ใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
37:24
Luke: Yeah.
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37:24
Anna: Which is really, even if you are not into chess, if you are interested in
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใชใ„ไบบใงใ‚‚ ใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใซใจใฃใฆใฏ
37:28
chess, it was still a really great drama.
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒ‰ใƒฉใƒžใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
37:30
That I recommend to viewers, listeners.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ–่ด่€…ใ€ใƒชใ‚นใƒŠใƒผใซๅ‹งใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:33
Luke: Yeah.
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37:33
Yeah, yeah.
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37:33
Anna: Did you watch it?
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
37:34
Luke: Yeah, I did watch it.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใ€‚
37:35
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
37:36
Anna: Do you know what gambit means?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใƒ“ใƒƒใƒˆใฎๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
37:38
Luke: Isn't a gambit a sort of a strategy, like a kind of a move that you would
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Luke: ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒณใƒ“ใƒƒใƒˆใจใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎๆˆฆ็•ฅใ€ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
37:42
do, a kind of specific strategic move?
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่กŒใ†ใงใ‚ใ‚ใ†ๅ‹•ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎๆˆฆ็•ฅ็š„ใชๅ‹•ใใงใฏใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
37:46
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
37:47
It's like a clever move or a clever opening move that gives you an advantage,
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซๆœ‰ๅˆฉใช่ณขใ„ๆ‰‹ใ‚„่ณขใ„ๅบ็›คใฎๆ‰‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™
37:51
but it's not necessarily seen or deemed to be an advantageous move.
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ใŒใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ ๆœ‰ๅˆฉใชๆ‰‹ใ ใจ่ฆ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ€ใฟใชใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
37:56
So like giving up your queen or giving up a valuable piece going, oh, you
1024
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฅณ็Ž‹ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ๆ”พใ™ใจใ‹ใ€ ่ฒด้‡ใชๅ“็‰ฉใ‚’ๆ‰‹ๆ”พใ™ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
38:01
just took my queen, how silly of me.
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็งใฎๅฅณ็Ž‹ใ‚’ๅฅชใฃใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใ ใ€ใชใ‚“ใฆๆ„šใ‹ใชใ“ใจใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
38:04
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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38:04
Anna: But really you've got something in mind that you're like,
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€
38:07
their next move, checkmate, pow!
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๆฌกใฎๅ‹•ใใ€ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใƒกใ‚คใƒˆใ€ใƒ‘ใ‚ฆ! ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟต้ ญใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
38:09
I tricked you.
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’้จ™ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
38:10
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
38:11
Anna: So, yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
38:12
Luke: Yeah.
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38:12
Yeah, there's a lot of obviously kind of mental strategy involved in it too, in
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆๅฏพๆˆฆ็›ธๆ‰‹ใฎๅ‰ใซๅบงใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆ„ๅ‘ณ ใงใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซ็ฒพ็ฅž็š„ใชๆˆฆ็•ฅใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
38:15
the sense of like coming into a game of chess, sitting in front of your opponent.
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ใ€‚ ใƒใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใจ
38:20
Your opponent will, a bit like in a game of poker or something.
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ๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅฏพๆˆฆ็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
38:22
Anna: Poker face.
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38:22
Luke: Your opponent will...yeah, use poker face or you, you maybe use your opponent's
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใƒ•ใ‚งใ‚คใ‚นใ€‚
Luke: ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฏพๆˆฆ็›ธๆ‰‹ใฏ...ใใ†ใ€ใƒใƒผใ‚ซใƒผ ใƒ•ใ‚งใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ‹ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€็›ธๆ‰‹ใฎใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ฌฌไธ€ๅฐ่ฑกใ‚’ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆๅˆฉ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
38:28
first impressions of you against them.
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ใ€‚
38:32
So every now and then YouTube will suggest these chess videos to me.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€YouTube ใฏๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’็งใซๆๆกˆใ—ใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
38:36
Anna: Oh, right.
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38:36
Luke: And it's, there's a girl, I can't remember her name now, unfortunately,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๅฅณใฎๅญใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€ ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใŒใ‚‰ไปŠใฏๅๅ‰ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ›ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€
38:39
but she is sort of in her twenties.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ20ไปฃใใ‚‰ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
38:42
I think both her parents were chess grandmasters.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฎไธก่ฆชใฏไธกๆ–นใจใ‚‚ ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
38:45
Anna: Right.
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38:45
Luke: And so she's fairly like, so she goes to these chess games in the park,
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šไผผใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ๅ…ฌๅœ’ใงใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎ่ฉฆๅˆใซ่กŒใใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€
38:50
you know, in like New York or other cities in the States where there are
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚„ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎไป–ใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใฏใ€ ใใ“ใง
38:53
these guys who spend their whole day there playing chess with each other.
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ใŠไบ’ใ„ใซใƒใ‚งใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใฆไธ€ๆ—ฅไธญ้Žใ”ใ™็”ทใŸใกใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
38:57
And they do a lot of like trash talking.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒˆใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:00
While they're playing the game, these guys are trash talking and sort
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ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ‚ใ„ใ‚‚ใชใ„่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€
39:04
of, you know, bantering and sort of talking up their game quite a lot.
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ๅ†—่ซ‡ใ‚’่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‹ใชใ‚Š่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:09
And this girl comes in, she doesn't look like she's gonna be a chess grandmaster.
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใฎๅฅณใฎๅญใŒใ‚„ใฃใฆๆฅใพใ™ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ ใƒใ‚งใ‚นใฎใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใซใชใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
39:14
And so these guys are super confident and they totally underestimate her
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้žๅธธใซ่‡ชไฟกใซๆบ€ใกใฆใ„ใฆใ€ ๅฝผๅฅณใ‚’ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ้Žๅฐ่ฉ•ไพกใ—
39:18
and they trash talk her and stuff.
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ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ‚ชใ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:20
And she like gives quite a good trash talk back.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผๅฅณใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ ไธŠๆ‰‹ใชใƒˆใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฟ”ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
39:22
It's really interesting to watch.
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่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
39:24
I don't really, I don't understand what's going on on the board, you can
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใงไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
39:27
see the board on the screen as well.
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็”ป้ขไธŠใซใ‚‚ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใŒ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
39:30
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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39:30
Luke: I don't understand it.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
39:31
I can't work out the moves, but it's interesting just to see the behaviour
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ๅ‹•ใใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€
39:35
of these opponents of hers change where they're like giving it...
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅฏพๆˆฆ็›ธๆ‰‹ใฎ่กŒๅ‹•ใŒใ€ใพใ‚‹ใงไธŽใˆใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ ...
39:39
Anna: The realisation.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆฐ—ใฅใใงใ™ใ€‚
39:40
Luke: Yeah, they're giving it all this really, really overconfident talk.
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Luke: ใˆใˆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชไฟก้Žๅ‰ฐใช่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:44
And then after about five or six moves, they changed totally.
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ใใ—ใฆ5ใ€6ๆ‰‹ใใ‚‰ใ„็ตŒใคใจ ใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
39:48
And they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be difficult.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
39:51
Oh, this is gonna be difficult.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
39:52
Oh, you don't move on me now.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†็งใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ‹ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
39:54
You know, all this kind of thing.
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1020
ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ“ใฎ็จฎใฎใ“ใจใฏใ™ในใฆใงใ™ใ€‚
39:55
And it's just really funny to see the interaction and to see how they deal with
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎ ใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€
40:00
the fact that actually she's really good.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅฝผๅฅณใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ„ชใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใซๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฏพๅ‡ฆใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
40:02
And often it's only within about four or five moves that they can work out that
1071
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๅฝผๅฅณใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€4ใ€5ๆ‰‹ไปฅๅ†…ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ
40:07
she's really, she really knows what she's doing and they work it out just when
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ—ใฆใ€
40:10
the within a few moves and you think, my God, the way these guys are playing,
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ๆ•ฐๆ‰‹ไปฅๅ†…ใซๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใŸใจใใซใ€ไฝ•ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‹ ใ€ใ“ใฎไบบใŸใกใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผๆ–นๆณ•ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ€ใฃใŸใจใใงใ™ ใ€
40:13
they're just like thinking so far ahead.
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1920
ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใฏใ‚‹ใ‹ๅ…ˆใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
40:16
You know all the possibilities.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:17
It is like kind of like you have to have a very mathematical mind in a way
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40:20
to be able to do all these different algorithms and calculations all instantly.
1077
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4500
ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช ใ‚ขใƒซใ‚ดใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใ‚„่จˆ็ฎ—ใ‚’ใ™ในใฆ็žฌๆ™‚ใซๅฎŸ่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ใซใฏใ€้žๅธธใซๆ•ฐๅญฆ็š„ใช้ ญ่„ณใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
40:25
Amazing.
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510
40:25
Yeah.
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ใ™ใฐใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
40:26
Anna: So it's like being, what's the term?
1080
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1800
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅญ˜ๅœจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€็”จ่ชžใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
40:28
Like being a card shark.
1081
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ใพใ‚‹ใงใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใ‚ฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใ ใ€‚
40:29
If someone or, there's a term, or like when people come in to play pool and
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4410
่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ€ใพใŸใฏใ€็”จ่ชžใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ไบบใ€…ใŒใƒ“ใƒชใƒคใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ใ—ใซๆฅใฆใ€
40:34
they put some money down and say...
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ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’่ฝใจใ—ใฆ่จ€ใ†ใจใ...
40:35
Luke: Hustler.
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480
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใƒใ‚นใƒฉใƒผใ€‚
40:36
Anna: A hustler.
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590
40:36
That's it.
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510
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใƒใ‚นใƒฉใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
40:37
You can hustle people and be like, oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing,
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2250
ไบบใ€…ใ‚’ใƒใƒƒใ‚นใƒซใ•ใ›ใฆใ€ใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„
40:40
but let's put a hundred pounds on it.
1088
2440055
1320
ใ‘ใฉใ€100ใƒใƒณใƒ‰ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใฟใ‚ˆใ†ใ€ใจๆ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
40:41
A hundred pounds?
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100ใƒใƒณใƒ‰๏ผŸ
40:42
Yeah, sure.
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750
ใฏใ„ใ€็ขบใ‹ใซใ€‚
40:43
And then you're like, I'm amazing.
1091
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1531
ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€Œ็งใฏใ™ใ”ใ„ใ€ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:44
I'm gonna win.
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660
ๅ‹ใคใ‚ˆใ€‚
40:45
Luke: Yeah.
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59
40:45
Or you lose your first game on purpose and you're like, you
1094
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2310
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ‚ใ–ใจ่ฒ ใ‘ใฆใ€
40:48
know what, I wanna try again.
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1261
ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆๆŒ‘ๆˆฆใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
40:49
You know, I'm enjoying this.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:50
Let's raise the stakes.
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960
่ณญใ‘้‡‘ใ‚’ไธŠใ’ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
40:51
Let's do it for $500 this time.
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1650
ไปŠๅบฆใฏ500ๅ††ใงใ‚„ใฃใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
40:53
And they're like, sure, okay.
1099
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895
ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€Œ็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
40:54
If you really want to, you know, maybe I can teach you a thing or two.
1100
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2310
ใ‚‚ใ—ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใใ†ใ—ใŸใ„ใชใ‚‰ใ€ ไธ€ใคไบŒใคๆ•™ใˆใฆใ‚ใ’ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
40:57
And then they really raise their game and suddenly they've made
1101
2457139
3445
ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใ‚’ไธŠใ’ใฆใ€ ็ช็„ถ
41:00
loads of money from those people.
1102
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1110
ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎไบบใ€…ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคš้กใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’็จผใใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:01
Yeah.
1103
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390
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
41:02
Anna: Pow!
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180
41:02
Talking about money, how much do you think the most expensive
1105
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4080
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใƒ‘ใ‚ฆ๏ผ
ใŠ้‡‘ใฎ่ฉฑใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ไธ–็•Œใง ๆœ€ใ‚‚้ซ˜ไพกใช
41:06
chessboard in the world is?
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ใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใฏใ„ใใ‚‰ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
41:08
'Cause you can get all sorts of different, like gorgeous chess
1107
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ใ ใฃใฆใ€ ใ‚ดใƒผใ‚ธใƒฃใ‚นใชใƒใ‚งใ‚น
41:11
boards, but what's the most expensive?
1108
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2071
็›คใชใฉใ€ใ„ใ‚ใ‚“ใช็จฎ้กžใฎใ‚‚ใฎใŒๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใ‘ใฉใ€ไธ€็•ช้ซ˜ไพกใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏไฝ•ใ ใ‚ใ†๏ผŸ
41:13
Luke: The most expensive chess board in the world?
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2280
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ไธ–็•Œใงๆœ€ใ‚‚้ซ˜ไพกใช ใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›ค?
41:16
Anna: In dollars, let's do it in dollars.
1110
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1410
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒ‰ใƒซใงใ€ใƒ‰ใƒซใงใ‚„ใ‚Šใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
41:17
Luke: I dunno.
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440
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
41:18
I mean, we talked about the most expensive Monopoly board being...
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆœ€ใ‚‚ ้ซ˜ไพกใชใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผ ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸ...
41:20
Anna: Which was crazy.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ฏใƒฌใ‚คใ‚ธใƒผใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:22
Luke: $2 million.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: 200ไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใ€‚
41:23
I think the chess board's gonna be more, I'd say it's gonna be $5 million.
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ใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใฏใ‚‚ใฃใจ้ซ˜้กใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€500ไธ‡ใƒ‰ใƒซใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
41:27
All made of pure diamond,
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ใ™ในใฆ็ด”็ฒ‹ใชใƒ€ใ‚คใƒคใƒขใƒณใƒ‰ใงใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
41:30
Anna: You can double that or just about double it.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใ‚’ 2 ๅ€ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ€ ใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉ็ด„ 2 ๅ€ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
41:33
$9.8 million is the most expensive.
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41:36
It's a Jewel Royale chessboard.
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ใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚จใƒซใƒญใ‚คใƒคใƒซใฎใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใงใ™ใ€‚
41:40
And the pieces are obviously quite heavy.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€้ƒจๅ“ใฏๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ‹ใชใ‚Š้‡ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
41:43
They're made of pure gold.
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็ด”้‡‘ใงใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
41:45
So they're not gold plated.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้‡‘ใƒกใƒƒใ‚ญใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
41:46
Luke: Wow.
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41:46
Anna: They made a pure gold and encrusted with diamonds and other precious gems.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ†ใ‚ใƒผใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็ด”้‡‘ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใ€ ใƒ€ใ‚คใƒคใƒขใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚„ไป–ใฎ่ฒด้‡ใชๅฎ็ŸณใŒใกใ‚Šใฐใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:51
Luke: Jesus!
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚คใ‚จใ‚น๏ผ
41:52
Anna: And it all, it would probably be like too magnificent to play with.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใ‚‚ๅซใ‚ใฆใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใ ๅฃฎๅคงใ™ใŽใฆ้Šใถใ“ใจใฏใงใใชใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
41:55
You just look at it, keep it in a locked cabinet.
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่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ ้ตไป˜ใใฎใ‚ญใƒฃใƒ“ใƒใƒƒใƒˆใซไฟ็ฎกใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
41:59
Luke: It does raise the question, why buy that if you're not even gonna, like,
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Luke: ใใ‚Œใฏใ€้Šใถใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ‚‚ใชใใ€ใŸใ ๆ”พ็ฝฎใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใฎใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใชใ‚‰ใ€ใชใœใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฒทใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹โ€‹โ€‹ใ€ใจใ„ใ†็–‘ๅ•ใŒ็”Ÿใ˜ใพใ™
42:02
it's an object that's designed to be played and you're just gonna leave it.
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42:06
Anna: Well, it'd be a statement, wouldn't it?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ๅฃฐๆ˜Žใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญ๏ผŸ
42:07
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
42:08
Anna: Don't touch the chessboard.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใซใฏ่งฆใ‚‰ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
42:11
Very good.
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42:11
I do like to have a nice chessboard.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ€‚
็งใฏ็ด ๆ•ตใชใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใ‚’ๆŒใคใฎใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
42:13
I have bought chessboards as gifts for people.
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็งใฏไบบใ€…ใธใฎ่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใจใ—ใฆใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
42:15
I think it is something nice to have in the house.
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ๅฎถใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใจไพฟๅˆฉใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:17
Just, you know, like having a globe.
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ใŸใ ใ€ๅœฐ็ƒๅ„€ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
42:20
Luke: Yeah.
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42:20
Anna: In the house, which, you know, opens up to reveal the drink.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅฎถใฎไธญใงใญใ€ ้–‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจ้ฃฒใฟ็‰ฉใŒๅ‡บใฆใใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:25
Luke: Yeah.
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42:25
Anna: I don't drink very much anymore, but I used to have one of those.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšไปŠใฏใ‚ใพใ‚ŠใŠ้…’ใ‚’้ฃฒใพใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ ใŒใ€ๆ˜”ใฏ้ฃฒใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
42:28
Luke: Yeah.
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42:28
Anna: Having a nice chessboard.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็ด ๆ•ตใชใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:29
I think they, these are just nice pieces of, not furniture, but
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏๅ˜ใชใ‚‹็ด ๆ•ตใช ๅฎถๅ…ทใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅฎถๅ…ทใงใฏใชใใ€
42:32
things to have around the house.
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ๅฎถใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:33
Luke: Absolutely.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:34
Yeah.
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42:34
Chessboards, they can be very beautiful things indeed.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒใ‚งใ‚น็›คใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ็ขบใ‹ใซใจใฆใ‚‚็พŽใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
42:36
That's true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใ ใ€‚
42:37
And there's something very satisfying about the objects if
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
42:40
they're very nicely made, yeah.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใŒ้žๅธธใซใ†ใพใไฝœใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใใฎใ‚ชใƒ–ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใซใฏ้žๅธธใซๆบ€่ถณใงใใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:42
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
42:43
And another classic, of course, which we talked about on your podcast is Monopoly.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใง่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใ† 1 ใคใฎๅคๅ…ธใฏ ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
42:48
Now, I'm not gonna go deep into this, but this is the kind of game that can
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ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏๆทฑใๆŽ˜ใ‚Šไธ‹ใ’ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
42:52
really bring families together and teach them some really good lessons, but also
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ๅฎถๆ—ใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ›ฃ็ตใ•ใ›ใ€ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ๆ•™่จ“ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅŒๆ™‚ใซ
42:56
has a reputation for tearing families apart and causing horrendous arguments.
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ๅฎถๆ—ใ‚’ ๅผ•ใ่ฃ‚ใใ€ใฒใฉใ„ๅฃ่ซ–ใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ™ใ“ใจใงใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
43:02
But there is a really interesting fact about Monopoly that we didn't
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ไบ‹ๅฎŸใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
43:05
cover in your podcast, so it might be good to touch on now.
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ใ“ใ“ใง่งฆใ‚ŒใฆใŠใใจใ‚ˆใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
43:08
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
43:09
Anna: In World War II, the Nazis let allied prisoners, prisoners
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ็ฌฌไบŒๆฌกไธ–็•Œๅคงๆˆฆใงใฏใ€ใƒŠใƒใ‚นใฏ ้€ฃๅˆ่ปใฎๆ•่™œใ‚„ๆ•่™œใซ
43:14
of war, play board games.
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
43:16
Luke: That's nice of them.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
43:17
Anna: Yeah, it's very nice of them.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใˆใˆใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
43:18
Luke: How nice of them.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใชใ‚“ใฆๅ„ชใ—ใ„ไบบใŸใกใชใ‚“ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
43:19
Anna: So the British government was even allowed to send some of these games
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่‹ฑๅ›ฝๆ”ฟๅบœใฏใ€ๆŠ•็„ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ…ตๅฃซใซ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎไธ€้ƒจใ‚’้€ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ•ใˆ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ใญ
43:23
to the soldiers who were incarcerated.
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43:26
So, the government kind of worked with the game producers.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ”ฟๅบœใฏ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใƒ—ใƒญใƒ‡ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ตใƒผใจๅ”ๅŠ›ใ—ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
43:31
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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43:31
Anna: To hide items and like real money within the game.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ๅ†…ใงใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ†ใƒ ใ‚’้š ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใƒชใ‚ขใƒซใƒžใƒใƒผใ‚’ๅฅฝใใซใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ ใ€‚
43:37
So in the stash of paper money, they'd hide real bills.
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ใใ“ใง ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็ด™ๅนฃใฎ้š ใ—ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆœฌ็‰ฉใฎ็ด™ๅนฃใ‚’้š ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
43:40
Luke: Okay.
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43:41
Anna: And then rather than the kind of the tokens, the pieces that you'd
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใƒณใฎ็จฎ้กžใ‚„้ŠใถใŸใ‚ใฎใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใงใฏใชใ
43:44
play with, they gave them like little things that they could use to escape,
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ใ€ใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใชใฉใ€ ่„ฑๅ‡บใซไฝฟ็”จใงใใ‚‹ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซไธŽใˆใพใ—ใŸ
43:49
like, lock picks and things like that.
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43:50
Luke: Oh my gosh.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใชใ‚“ใจใพใ‚ใ€‚
43:51
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
43:52
And files so they could like file their way out of their chains or whatever,
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ใใ—ใฆใƒ•ใ‚กใ‚คใƒซใฏใ€้Ž–ใชใฉใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚„ใ™ใ‚ŠใงๆŠœใ‘ๅ‡บใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใง ใ€
43:56
Luke: Sort of like hidden within the within the box or
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ็ฎฑใฎไธญใ‹
43:59
within the board or something.
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใฎไธญใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎไธญใซ้š ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
44:00
Or even the little items themselves could be used to like file away
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ†ใƒ ใใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ•ใˆใ€ๅˆ‘ๅ‹™ๆ‰€ใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎ้‰„ๆ ผๅญใ‚’ใƒคใ‚นใƒชใง ๅ–ใ‚Š้™คใใŸใ‚ใซไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™
44:05
the bars of a jail or something.
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44:07
Anna: It says here, oh compasses.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ“ใ“ใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ‘ใ‚นใ€‚
44:09
Luke: Wow.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ†ใ‚ใƒผใ€‚
44:10
And they actually used them to escape.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ้€ƒ่ตฐใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
44:12
That's, yeah, incredible.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใปใฉใงใ™ใ€‚
44:14
Anna: Okay, so I'm gonna move on quickly 'cause I know that
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€ใใ‚Œใงใฏๆ€ฅใ„ใงๅ…ˆใซ้€ฒใฟใพใ™ใ€
44:16
you are pressed for time.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ™‚้–“ใซ่ฟฝใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
44:18
I love that expression.
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็งใฏใใฎ่กจ็พใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
44:19
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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44:19
Anna: To be pressed for time.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆ™‚้–“ใซ่ฟฝใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
44:20
You are running short on it.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไธ่ถณใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:21
Luke: Yeah.
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44:21
Anna: So, some of the more unusual games that I would still call classics because
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ:ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€
44:26
they were a big part of my childhood.
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็งใฎๅญไพ›ๆ™‚ไปฃใฎๅคงใใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ๅ ใ‚ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€็งใŒไปŠใงใ‚‚ๅคๅ…ธใจๅ‘ผใถใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š็ใ—ใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‹็ดนไป‹ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:29
The first is Kerplunk.
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ใพใšใฏใ‚ซใƒผใƒ—ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ€‚
44:30
Did you ever play Kerplunk?
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ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ—ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
44:32
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
44:33
Yeah.
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44:33
We had a Kerplunk game at my grandma's house.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใŠใฐใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใฎๅฎถใง
Kerplunkใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
44:35
Anna: Yeah, and this is quite unusual.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใˆใˆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š็ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
44:37
It's not a typical board game, although it is listed as a board game.
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ใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใจใ—ใฆ ใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅ…ธๅž‹็š„ใชใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
44:40
It's like a plastic tube with, and you shove loads of plastic
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚นใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใฎใƒใƒฅใƒผใƒ–ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ€ใƒใƒฅใƒผใƒ–ใ‚’ๅกžใใŸใ‚ใซ ใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚นใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใฎใ‚นใƒˆใƒญใƒผใ‚’ๅคง้‡ใซๆŠผใ—่พผใฟใพใ™
44:44
straws to block the tube.
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44:46
And then...
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰...
44:47
Luke: Yeah.
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44:47
Lots of, yeah...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญ...
44:49
Anna: Yeah.
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44:49
Luke: Loads of plastic needles kind of thing stuck inside
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใƒใƒฅใƒผใƒ–ใฎๅฐใ•ใช็ฉดใฎ ไธญใซใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚นใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใฎ้‡ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“่ฉฐใพใฃใฆใŸ
44:51
little holes in the tube.
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44:53
Anna: Yeah.
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44:53
Yeah.
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44:53
Very long ones.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใจใฆใ‚‚้•ทใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
44:54
And they're not sharp, are they?
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ใใ‚Œใซใ€้‹ญใใชใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
44:55
They're child safe.
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ใŠๅญๆง˜ใซใ‚‚ๅฎ‰ๅ…จใงใ™ใ€‚
44:57
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
44:58
Anna: And then you, and they block the way to the bottom of this like tube, and
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใจๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใ“ใฎ็ญ’ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใฎๅบ•ใธใฎ้“ใ‚’ใตใ•ใŽใ€
45:02
then you pour loads of marbles in the top.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎไธŠใซๅคง้‡ใฎใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใ‚’ๆณจใŽใพใ™ใ€‚
45:04
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
45:05
Anna: And then the idea is to remove these kind of straws or needles
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใ‚’ไธ€ๅˆ‡่ฝใจใ•ใšใซใ€ ใ“ใฎ็จฎใฎใ‚นใƒˆใƒญใƒผใ‚„้‡ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Š้™คใใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใงใ™
45:09
without dislodging any of the marbles.
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45:12
And at some point you remove a needle and some marbles come crashing down.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใง้‡ใ‚’ๆŠœใใจใ€ ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใŒ่ฝใกใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
45:16
But that's not the end of the game.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฏ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใŒ
45:17
It's only the end when all the marbles have fallen.
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ๅ…จ้ƒจ่ฝใกใŸใ‚‰็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ ใ€‚
45:20
Luke: Yeah.
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45:20
Anna: So you have to get to the end without having too many marbles.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใ‚’ใ‚ใพใ‚ŠๆŒใŸใšใซๆœ€ๅพŒใพใงๅˆฐ้”ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
45:23
Luke: If you're the one who lets the last marble fall, you lose.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใ‚’่ฝใจใ—ใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ฒ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
45:27
Yeah.
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45:28
Yeah.
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45:28
Anna: Yeah.
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45:28
Luke: So it's kind of along the lines of like the Jenga, you
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
Luke: ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
45:32
know, game that everyone knows.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒณใ‚ฌใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
45:34
Jenga.
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45:34
And also there's another one where you have these sticks with different colours
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒณใ‚ฌใ€‚
ใพใŸใ€ๅˆฅใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใฏใ€ ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช่‰ฒใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€
45:38
and you let the sticks all fall in a pile and then you have to pick up the sticks
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ใ™ในใฆใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅฑฑใซ่ฝใจใ—ใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
45:42
without letting the other sticks move.
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ไป–ใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ‹•ใ‹ใ•ใšใซใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆ‹พใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
45:45
Anna: Oh, I haven't played that one.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใ€‚
45:47
Luke: Yeah, they play it in France quite a lot.
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Luke: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใงใฏใ‚ˆใๆผ”ๅฅใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆ ใ€‚
45:49
So you get a bunch of these sticks.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆฃ’ใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚ ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใ‚’่กจใ™
45:50
They've got different colours on them that represent different points.
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็•ฐใชใ‚‹่‰ฒใŒไป˜ใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
45:54
Anna: Right.
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45:54
Luke: Some of them are more valuable than others, and you have to very
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Luke: ใใฎใ†ใกใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใฏ ไป–ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ‚Šไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
45:57
carefully take the sticks away from the pile without letting the others move.
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ไป–ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅ‹•ใ‹ใ•ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้žๅธธใซๆ…Ž้‡ใซๆฃ’ใ‚’ๅฑฑใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ–ใ‚Š้™คใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
46:02
And it's really interesting.
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ใใ—ใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
46:03
You can use other sticks to help you prise them off.
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ไป–ใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ๅ‹ใกๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
46:05
Anna: Ahh.
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46:05
Luke: They've got pointed ends, so you can press your finger down on the end and
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€‚
Luke: ๅ…ˆ็ซฏใŒๅฐ–ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ๆŒ‡ใงๅ…ˆ็ซฏใ‚’ๆŠผใ™ใจ
46:10
it makes the stick lift off the table.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใŒใƒ†ใƒผใƒ–ใƒซใ‹ใ‚‰ๆตฎใไธŠใŒใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
46:12
But it's not really a pub game because if you've had a couple of drinks, then you're
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใƒ‘ใƒ–ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ ไฝ•ๆฏใ‹ใŠ้…’ใ‚’้ฃฒใ‚“ใ ๅพŒใฏใ€
46:17
like, oh, let's play the stick game.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใฆใฟใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
46:19
And then, you know, you've got to be very careful when you play it.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฏ็ดฐๅฟƒใฎๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
46:23
Anna: Is it called Pick Up Sticks?
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ— ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ฏใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
46:25
Luke: I can't remember.
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46:25
Maybe, maybe, maybe that's the UK version.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผš่ฆšใˆใฆใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
ใŸใถใ‚“ใ€ใŸใถใ‚“ใ€ใŸใถใ‚“ใใ‚Œใฏ่‹ฑๅ›ฝใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
46:28
I dunno, I can't remember what they call it in France now.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ ไปŠใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใงใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝ•ใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ›ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
46:30
Anna: Well, the being very careful reminds me of one of my most fun games
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€้žๅธธใซๆ…Ž้‡ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฏใ€ๅญไพ›ใฎ้ ƒ ๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ 1 ใคใง
46:35
of my childhood is the game of Operation.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ชใƒšใƒฌใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
46:38
Luke: Oh, God.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็ฅžๆง˜ใ€‚ ๆˆ‘ๆ…ขใงใ
46:39
Can't stand it.
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ใชใ„ใ€‚
46:41
Anna: What, do you get nervous?
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46:42
Luke: Just can't stand Operation.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ไฝœๆˆฆใซใฏ่€ใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ€‚
46:44
Can't do it.
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46:44
Anna: Why?
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ใใ‚Œใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใฉใ†ใ—ใฆ?
46:45
Luke: It's just horrible.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใฒใฉใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
46:47
Like, I don't know.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
46:48
Again, maybe I had a bad experience of playing it with other kids when I
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏๅนผใ„้ ƒใซไป–ใฎๅญไพ›ใŸใกใจ้Šใ‚“ใงๅซŒใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€
46:51
was young and it was just, you know, one of those times when you're at
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46:53
someone's house and it was horrible.
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่ชฐใ‹ใฎๅฎถใซ่กŒใฃใŸใจใใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใฒใฉใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
46:56
But nah, nah, no.
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€‚
46:58
Anna: One very fun game that I'm sure you would like is Hungry Hippos.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ 1 ใคใŒใ€ ใใฃใจใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€Hungry Hippos ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:02
Luke: Hungry Hippos.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใŠ่…นใ‚’็ฉบใ‹ใ›ใŸใ‚ซใƒใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
47:03
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
47:04
It's fun to an extent.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฏๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚
47:07
Anna: Well, as much as bashing on a lever.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใƒฌใƒใƒผใ‚’ๅฉใใใ‚‰ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
47:08
Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใƒใƒณใ€ใƒใƒณใ€ใƒใƒณ ใ€ใƒใƒณใ€ใƒใƒณใ€ใƒใƒณใ€ใƒใƒณใ€‚
47:10
Yeah.
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47:10
Bang, bang, bang.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒใƒณใƒใƒณใƒใƒณใ€‚
47:11
Get the hippos to eat all of the red balls.
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ใ‚ซใƒใซ ่ตคใ„ใƒœใƒผใƒซใ‚’ใ™ในใฆ้ฃŸในใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
47:13
If they get yellow balls, that's even better.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ้ป„่‰ฒใ„ใƒœใƒผใƒซใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ•ใ‚‰ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:17
Right?
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47:17
Because there's red balls and a couple of yellow balls in there
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่ตคใ„ใƒœใƒผใƒซใจ ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ้ป„่‰ฒใ„ใƒœใƒผใƒซใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Š
47:19
too, which are worth more points.
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ใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใฎไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:21
And dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, that's good for, for me now 10 minutes
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใƒ€ใƒณใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€ไปŠใฎ็งใซใจใฃใฆใ€
47:26
maximum is all I can ta ta ta ta.
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็งใซใงใใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆœ€ๅคง10ๅˆ†ใŒใ™ในใฆใงใ™ใ€‚
47:28
And then I'm like, ah, you know what, let's, can we just,
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏใ“ใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใ€ไปฃใ‚ใ‚Š
47:31
can we play Monopoly instead?
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ใซใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
47:32
Anna: Yeah, my sons love to play it over and over and over again.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใฏใ„ใ€ๆฏๅญใŸใกใฏไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚้ŠใถใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ ใ€‚
47:35
But then they also like stashing.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้š ใ—ใฆใŠใใ“ใจใ‚‚ๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
47:37
So at one point, my two year old would just start taking the marbles while
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใงใ€็งใŒ4ๆญณใฎๆฏๅญใจ้Šใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€2ๆญณใฎๆฏๅญใŒ ใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅ‡บใ—ใฆ
47:41
I'm playing with my four year old and putting them in different places.
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ๅˆฅใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ็ฝฎใๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:44
Like one in the kitchen.
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ใ‚ญใƒƒใƒใƒณใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
47:46
Luke: Yeah.
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47:46
Anna: One inside the crocodile's mouth.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: 1 ใคใฏใƒฏใƒ‹ใฎๅฃใฎไธญใงใ™ใ€‚
47:47
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
47:48
Anna: One in the cupboard.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: 1 ใคใฏ้ฃŸๅ™จๆฃšใฎไธญใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
47:49
And I'm just like, where have all the marbles gone?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏใŸใ ใ€ ใƒ“ใƒผ็Ž‰ใฏใฉใ“ใซ่กŒใฃใŸใฎ๏ผŸ
47:51
What's happened?
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ใฉใ†ใ—ใŸใฎ๏ผŸ
47:52
Luke: Another reason why the game makes me uncomfortable.
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Luke: ใ“ใฎ ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใŒ็งใ‚’ไธๅฟซใซใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใ† 1 ใคใฎ็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
47:54
Just it's quite a messy game.
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ใŸใ ใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ขๅ€’ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ€‚
47:56
It's just, uh...
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“...
47:57
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
47:58
Luke: No, it makes me a bit uncomfortable.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจไธๅฟซใงใ™ใ€‚
48:00
Uncomfortable and stressed.
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ไธๅฟซใงใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใŒใŸใพใ‚‹ใ€‚
48:01
A bit like Operation.
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ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ‚ชใƒšใƒฌใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซไผผใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:03
Anna: Yes.
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48:03
Well, one very messy game that you might not have heard of is Monster Mash.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใฏใ„ใ€‚
ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Š่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„้žๅธธใซๅŽ„ไป‹ใชใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎ 1 ใคใŒ Monster Mash ใงใ™ใ€‚
48:07
Luke: No, don't know it, no.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€้•ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€‚
48:09
Anna: So I've never been able to find this, but we played it as kids, and it's
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ ็งใŸใกใฏๅญไพ›ใฎ้ ƒใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใใ—ใฆ
48:12
basically you each have a big lump of Play-Doh with a monster's head stuck
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใžใ‚ŒใŒ ใƒขใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใฎ้ ญใŒ็ชใๅˆบใ•ใฃใŸๅคงใใชPlay-DohใฎๅกŠใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€
48:16
in the top, and that's your piece.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝœๅ“ใงใ™ใ€‚
48:18
And you just go round a very basic board when you are rolling the dice and
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚ณใƒญใ‚’่ปขใŒใ™ใจใใซ้žๅธธใซๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใชใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ไธ€ๅ‘จใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ€
48:22
when you land on someone, you just mash your monster on top of their monster
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่ชฐใ‹ใซ็€ๅœฐใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใƒขใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ใใฎใƒขใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใฎไธŠใซใƒžใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ—ใ€ใƒœใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒปใ‚นใƒŠใƒƒใƒใƒฃใƒผใฎ
48:26
and kind of just take over them, like the Body Snatchers and your monster
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ไน—ใฃๅ–ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒขใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใฏ
48:31
becomes twice as big and that person is out because you've just mashed
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2ๅ€ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ๅคงใใใฆใ€ใใฎไบบใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ใƒžใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใชใฎใงใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใงใ™
48:34
them, until you become this humongous, four piece, four-bodied monster having
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ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ไธŠใฎไป–ใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒคใƒผใ‚’ใƒžใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใฎๅทจๅคงใชใ€ 4ใคใฎใƒ”ใƒผใ‚นใ€4ใคใฎไฝ“ใฎใƒขใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใซใชใ‚‹ใพใง
48:40
mashed the other players on the board.
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ใ€‚
48:42
Luke: Okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
48:43
Yeah.
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48:43
Again, no, not for me because like Play-Doh, of all the kids' toys,
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ Play-Doh ใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ™ในใฆใฎๅญไพ›็”จใŠใ‚‚ใกใ‚ƒใฎไธญใงใ€
48:48
Play-Doh is not one of my, I can't, no.
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Play-Doh ใฏ็งใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚็งใซใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
48:51
Anna: Really?
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48:51
Luke: Nah, no.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ„ใ‚„ใ€้•ใ†ใ‚ˆใ€‚
48:52
Anna: Wow.
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48:52
Luke: It's too messy.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใใกใ‚ƒใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
48:53
And it makes me feel uncomfortable.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซไธๅฟซใชๆ€ใ„ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:56
Anna: It is messy.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใใกใ‚ƒใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
48:57
It is messy.
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ใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใใกใ‚ƒใงใ™ใ€‚
48:58
I love Play-Doh.
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒปใƒ‰ใƒผใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
48:59
I think the kids have a really great time with Play-Doh.
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ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใฏ Play-Dohใงๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆฅฝใ—ใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ
49:02
It keeps them quiet.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’้™ใ‹ใซใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
49:03
So we always take Play-Doh in the backpack when we're at
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ใชใฎใงใ€ใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใซ่กŒใใจใใ‚„ใฉใ“ใ‹ใซๅ‡บใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€ใ„ใคใ‚‚Play-Dohใ‚’ ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใƒ‘ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใฆๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™
49:06
restaurants or going out somewhere.
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ใ€‚
49:07
Luke: Yeah.
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49:07
Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
49:08
Anna: And they just play for hours with the Play-Doh.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ Play-Dohใงไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚้Šใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
49:10
My sister-in-law said, "I hate Play-Doh".
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็พฉๅฆนใฏใ€ŒPlay-DohใฏๅซŒใ„ใ ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:12
Just like you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
49:13
It's too messy, too messy.
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ไนฑ้›‘ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ€ไนฑ้›‘ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ€‚
49:14
But then asked, what would your children like as a present for Christmas?
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ๆฌกใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฏใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚นใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚ผใƒณใƒˆใจใ—ใฆไฝ•ใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹?ใจๅฐ‹ใญใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:17
And I said, they love Play-Doh.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏPlay-DohใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:18
How about like a Play-Doh Set?
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Play-Dohใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
49:20
Play-Doh do all kinds of sets.
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Play-Doh ใฏใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’่กŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ“ใงใ€
49:21
So why not maybe like the dentist set where the Play-Doh are the teeth
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Play-Doh ใŒๆญฏใซใชใฃใฆ
49:25
and they can practise dental hygiene.
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ๆญฏ็ง‘่ก›็”Ÿใ‚’ๅฎŸ่ทตใงใใ‚‹ๆญฏๅŒป่€…ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
49:27
Oral hygiene.
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ๅฃ่…”่ก›็”Ÿใ€‚
49:28
Luke: Mm-hmm.
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49:28
Anna: Or maybe the pizza making set.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใƒ”ใ‚ถไฝœใ‚Šใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใ‹ใชใ€‚
49:30
She's like, "Leave it with me.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ€ใ€Œๆ”พใฃใฆใŠใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
49:31
I'll sort it out.
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็งใŒๆ•ด็†ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚็งใฏไธ€ไบบใง
49:32
I don't like play by myself.
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้Šใถใฎใฏๅฅฝใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
49:33
It's too messy, but leave it with me."
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ๆ•ฃใ‚‰ใ‹ใ‚Šใ™ใŽใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใซไปปใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
49:35
Guess what she got?
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ๅฝผๅฅณใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
49:37
Luke: The messiest Play-Doh set she could find.
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Luke: ๅฝผๅฅณใŒ่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใŸไธญใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ไนฑ้›‘ใช Play-Doh ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใ€‚
49:39
Anna: It's the hoover Play-Doh set where you have a sprinkler that makes
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใƒ•ใƒผใƒใƒผใƒปใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒปใƒ‰ใƒผใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ—ใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒผใŒไป˜ใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒปใƒ‰ใƒผใฎ
49:44
tiny, teeny weeny, little teeny pieces of Play-Doh and spreads it all over so
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ๅฐใ•ใชใ€ๅฐใ•ใชใ€ๅฐใ•ใชๅฐใ•ใช็ ด็‰‡ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Š ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…จไฝ“ใซๅบƒใ’ใฆใ€
49:50
that then you can then hoover it up.
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒ•ใƒผใƒใƒผใงใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
49:51
But the hoover is, you know, there's no way to take it apart.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใƒ•ใƒผใƒใƒผใฏใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅˆ†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
49:55
And so it's just full of Play-Doh.
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ใพใ•ใซPlay-Dohใ ใ‚‰ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
49:56
So if you want to save any of the Play-Doh and to work again,
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€Play-Doh ใฎใ„ใšใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚’ไฟๅญ˜ใ—ใฆๅ†ๅบฆไฝœๆฅญใ—ใŸใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏ ใ€
50:00
you have to pick it all out.
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ใ™ในใฆใ‚’้ธๆŠžใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
50:02
It's horrific.
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ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
50:03
Luke: Oh, stop.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใ€‚
50:04
It sounds like my worst nightmare.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎๆ‚ชๅคขใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
50:05
Like a game that's designed to turn Play-Doh into Play-Doh dust.
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Play-Doh ใ‚’ Play-Doh ใฎๅกตใซๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จญ่จˆใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
50:09
Uh oh.
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ใˆใˆใจใ‚ใ‚ใ€‚
50:11
Oh, no, no.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€‚
50:12
Can't.
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ใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:13
Can't do it.
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50:13
Anna: Yeah.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
50:14
Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it to a close 'cause I know
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใงใฏ ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
50:17
you are, you've got no more time.
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ใใ†ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซใฏใ‚‚ใ†ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:19
Oh yeah.
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50:19
But, one of the more recent players in the gaming market is one
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ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ๅธ‚ๅ ดใซใŠใ‘ใ‚‹ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใƒคใƒผใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€
50:26
that's caused a lot of hilarity.
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ๅคšใใฎ็ฌ‘ใ„ใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ—ใŸใƒ—ใƒฌใƒผใƒคใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
50:28
And it's Cards against Humanity.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏไบบ้กžใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
50:30
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
50:31
Not a kid's game.
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ๅญไพ›ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:32
So going from Play-Doh and Hungry Hippos and Operation, which are absolutely
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅญไพ›ๅ‘ใ‘ใฎใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ Play-Doh ใจ Hungry Hippos ใจ Operation ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
50:36
children's games to Cards Against Humanity, which is definitely one to play
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50:40
when the kids are in bed fast asleep.
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใŒใƒ™ใƒƒใƒ‰ใงใใฃใ™ใ‚Š็œ ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ้–“้•ใ„ใชใใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ Cards Against Humanity ใธใจ็งปใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
50:43
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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50:43
Yeah.
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50:43
Luke: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
50:44
Anna: Yeah.
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50:44
It is a set of cards that are just a lot of them.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹
ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ™ ใ€‚
50:48
It's just filth, right?
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ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ใฎๆฑš็‰ฉใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
50:49
Luke: Yeah.
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50:49
Anna: It's the kind of thing that will shock and yeah, just...
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใใ‚Œใฏ ่กๆ’ƒ็š„ใชใ“ใจใ ใ€ใใ†ใ ใ€ใŸใ ...
50:55
Luke: Disgust.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ๅซŒใ ใ€‚
50:56
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
50:57
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:58
Luke: It's the most shocking and disgusting and offensive
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่€ƒใˆๅพ—ใ‚‹ไธญใงๆœ€ใ‚‚่กๆ’ƒ็š„ใงใ€ไธๅฟซใง ๆ”ปๆ’ƒ็š„ใช
51:00
stuff that they could think of.
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ๅ†…ๅฎนใงใ™ใ€‚
51:02
Anna: Yeah.
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51:02
Luke: That they put into the game.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใซๅ–ใ‚Šๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:03
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
51:04
Anna: Yeah, yeah.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚ ็Ÿฅใ‚Šๅˆใ„ใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹่ฟ‘ๆ‰€ใฎไบบใชใฉใ€
51:05
I've had a few awkward evenings with people, like neighbours that we're just
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ๆฐ—ใพใšใ„ๅคœใ‚’ไฝ•ๅ›žใ‹้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€
51:08
trying to get to know, and they're like, should we play Cards Against Humanity?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€Œ ไบบ้กžใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ในใใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
51:13
Yeah, sure.
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ใฏใ„ใ€็ขบใ‹ใซใ€‚
51:15
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
51:16
Anna: Awkward.
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51:17
Very awkward.
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51:17
Or grandma, um, I saw this new game, apparently it's quite popular.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใพใšใ„ใ€‚
ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใŠใฐใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใฎใ€ใ“ใฎๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒ ใ€ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ‹ใชใ‚Šไบบๆฐ—ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:21
Could we play?
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้Šใ‚“ใงใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
51:22
Luke: It's got a very high rating on Amazon.
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51:25
Anna: Okay, grandma.
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51:26
What, what does this word mean?
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ใˆใฃใ€ใ“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใฏใฉใ†ใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
51:29
Maybe don't Google that, grandma.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ฐใƒผใ‚ฐใƒซใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใŠใฐใ‚ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใ€‚
51:31
Luke: So how does Cards Against Humanity work again?
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Luke: ใใ‚Œใงใ€Cards Against Humanity ใฏๅ†ใณใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
51:33
It's basically, I can't remember now, yeah.
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€ ไปŠใฏๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ›ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€‚
51:37
Anna: So it's something like creating sentences.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผš ๆ–‡็ซ ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใฟใŸใ„ใชๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
51:39
Luke: Yeah.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
51:40
Anna: You have to put sentences together.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ๆ–‡็ซ ใ‚’็ต„ใฟ็ซ‹ใฆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
51:41
It gives you some horrific endings or beginnings of sentences and you
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ๆใ‚ใ—ใ„ๆ–‡ๆœซ ใ‚„ๆ–‡้ ญใŒ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
51:46
have to complete it or something.
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51:49
Luke: Yeah, that's right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใƒˆใƒกใƒณใƒˆใฎ
51:50
There's a, sort of a, the beginning of a statement, and then you've
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51:54
got a number of cards in your hand.
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51:55
Anna: Yeah.
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51:55
Luke: And you have to choose the card which you think is
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Luke: ใใ—ใฆใ€
51:58
best to complete that statement.
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51:59
And all the cards in your hand are horrible, offensive, rude things.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ‰‹ๆœญใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใฏใฉใ‚Œใ‚‚ ๆใ‚ใ—ใใ€ๆ”ปๆ’ƒ็š„ใงใ€ๅคฑ็คผใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
52:04
I mean, it's fun when you're with your friends, of course, because you
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52:06
know, it's just a thing that makes everyone shocked and it's, you know,
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใ—ใ€
52:09
it can be laugh out loud funny.
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52:11
Anna: Mm-hmm.
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52:11
Luke: You know, when you're with people that you know and you know
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŸใกใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใฆใ€่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’
52:13
that there's no danger of offending anyone, it's all just for fun.
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ๅ‚ทใคใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฑ้™บใŒใชใ„ใจใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใฏ ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆใŸใ ใฎๆฅฝใ—ใฟใฎใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
52:17
And, you know, you can come out with some pretty hilarious and disgusting things.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้™ฝๆฐ—ใงๅซŒใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚‚ใ„ใใคใ‹ๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
52:21
You pass your card in and the person whose turn it is reads out all of the
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ใ‚ซใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’ๆธกใ™ใจใ€ ้ †็•ชใŒๆฅใŸไบบใŒใ™ในใฆใฎ
52:26
statements and then everyone decides which one they think is the best.
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็™บ่จ€ใ‚’่ชญใฟไธŠใ’ใ€ๅ…จๅ“กใŒ ใฉใ‚ŒใŒไธ€็•ช่‰ฏใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚’ๆฑบๅฎšใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
52:30
Anna: Yes.
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52:31
Luke: And that person...
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52:31
Anna: The one that's the funniest.
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52:32
Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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52:34
Anna: Yeah.
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52:34
That one wins.
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ใใฎๆ–นใŒๅ‹ใกใพใ™ใ€‚
52:35
Luke: Yeah, that's right.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
52:36
Anna: Yeah.
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52:36
So on that note, thank you so much Luke for joining me.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ€ ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ”ๅ‚ๅŠ ใ„ใŸใ ใใพใ—ใฆ่ช ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:40
Listeners, if you are interested in hearing a little bit more of a deep
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ใƒชใ‚นใƒŠใƒผใฎ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใƒขใƒŽใƒใƒชใƒผ ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉณใ—ใ็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
52:44
dive into Monopoly, then do head to the show notes to go and listen
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็•ช็ต„ใƒŽใƒผใƒˆใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ—ใฆใ€
52:50
to that other episode on Luke's channel, Luke's English Podcast.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใฎ ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใ€ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงๅˆฅใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
52:55
Thank you so much.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
52:56
Luke: Thank you, Anna.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
52:57
It's really good fun.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
52:58
I'd love to just play a board game now.
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ไปŠๅบฆใฏใƒœใƒผใƒ‰ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
53:00
Anna: Yeah.
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53:00
Luke: But, gotta go, like, go to the supermarket and
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใงใ‚‚ใ€่กŒใ‹ใชใใ‚ƒใ€ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ใ‚นใƒผใƒ‘ใƒผใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ€
53:04
then cook dinner, you know?
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ๅค•้ฃŸใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‰ใชใใ‚ƒใ„ใ‘ใชใ„ใ‚“ใ ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
53:05
You know the way it is.
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53:05
Anna: Yeah.
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53:05
You got some important life stuff coming up, so, uh...
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
ไบบ็”ŸใซใŠใ„ใฆ้‡่ฆใช ใ“ใจใŒ่ฟซใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใˆใˆใจ...
53:08
Luke: Absolutely.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:09
Anna: You've gotta get your game in order.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ใใกใ‚“ใจๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
53:11
Luke: Yeah.
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53:11
The real game of life.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใพใ•ใซไบบ็”Ÿใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ€‚
53:13
Anna: The game of life.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšไบบ็”Ÿใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:14
Yeah.
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53:14
Luke: Yeah.
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53:14
Anna: Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใใ†ใ ใญใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใˆใˆใ€‚
53:15
Luke: Okay.
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53:15
Anna: Okay.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:16
Thank you.
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53:16
Luke: Alright, lovely to speak to you again, Anna.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ ใพใŸใŠ่ฉฑใงใใฆๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠใ€‚
53:18
Anna: And you, take care.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใ‚’ใคใ‘ใฆใญใ€‚
53:19
Luke: You too.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ๏ผšใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใ ใ‚ˆใ€‚
53:20
Anna: And bye.
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ใ‚ขใƒณใƒŠ๏ผšใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใ•ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‰ใ€‚
53:21
Luke: Bye-bye.
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ใƒซใƒผใ‚ฏ: ใƒใ‚คใƒใ‚คใ€‚
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