Games with Luke's English Podcast - Advanced Listening Practice

Anna: You are listening to the English Like A Native Podcast, a

安娜：您正在收听“像母语一样英语”播客，这是一个

listening resource for intermediate and advanced level English learners.

针对中级和高级英语学习者的听力资源。

Today is a very special episode as we are joined by one of my favourite

今天是一个非常特别的节目，因为我们邀请了我最喜欢的嘉宾之一

guests, Luke from Luke's English Podcast, which is an incredible podcast

，来自卢克英语播客的卢克，这是一个令人难以置信的播客

that you should all have a listen to.

，你们都应该听一听。

So in today's podcast, we are going to deep dive into a much

因此，在今天的播客中，我们将深入探讨

loved British pastime, board games.

英国人喜爱的消遣——棋盘游戏。

It's gonna be fun.

这会很有趣。

Without further ado, let's roll.

话不多说，让我们滚吧。

What do you do when you are with company, say your family or your friends, and

当你和家人或朋友在一起时，

the conversation has begun to dry up and you are feeling a little bit bored?

谈话开始变得枯燥，你感到有点无聊，你会怎么做？

Well, you may decide to rummage around in the cupboard, to dig out and dust

好吧，你可能会决定在橱柜里翻找，翻出

off a board game to pass the time.

棋盘游戏并掸掉灰尘来打发时间。

In the UK, dice rolling, card shuffling, and arguing about who's

在英国，掷骰子、洗牌和争论谁

cheating is a much loved pastime.

作弊是一种深受人们喜爱的消遣。

And here for a second time to discuss the ins and outs, the ups and downs of board

卢克英语播客的卢克

games is Luke from Luke's English Podcast.

再次在这里讨论棋盘游戏的来龙去脉和兴衰 。

Welcome back Luke.

欢迎回来卢克。

Luke: Hi Anna.

卢克：嗨，安娜。

Thanks for having me back.

谢谢你让我回来。

Anna: Oh, thank you for returning.

安娜：哦，谢谢你回来。

I haven't scared you off that's the important thing.

我没有吓跑你，这才是最重要的。

Luke: No, this is a great topic.

卢克：不，这是一个很棒的话题。

Yeah, I love board games.

是的，我喜欢桌游。

Anna: You do.

安娜：你知道。

You have a big love of Monopoly.

你非常喜欢大富翁。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 所以我们只是在我的节目中详细讨论了大富翁，我们进行了一个多小时的

So we just talked about Monopoly at some length on my show, we did over an hour's

worth of conversation only about Monopoly.

对话，只讨论了大富翁。

Anna: Yeah.

Who would've thought there was so much to say about the game?

安娜：是的。

谁会想到这款游戏还有这么多可说的呢？

Luke: Well, yeah.

卢克：嗯，是的。

It is actually a fascinating game, as we've just discussed with all of

这实际上是一个令人着迷的游戏，正如我们刚刚讨论的所有

the different strategies, the sort of statistics, the mathematics, the politics,

不同的策略，统计数据，数学，政治，

the things it says about society and yeah, all the things we are getting

它所说的关于社会的事情，是的，我们犯的所有错误

wrong, that everyone gets wrong when they play it, and all those other things.

，每个人当他们玩的时候就会出错，还有其他的事情。

Anna: A really important strategy that I think we've taken away from

安娜：我认为我们从这一特定剧集中采取了一个非常重要的策略

that particular episode that anyone who's interested in Monopoly should

，即任何对大富翁感兴趣的人都应该

definitely go and listen to the episode just to learn the strategy, if not to

去听这一集，只是为了学习策略，即使不是为了

learn lots of fabulous English phrases.

学习很多精彩的英语短语。

Luke: Yeah, absolutely.

卢克：是的，绝对是。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: I'll put a link in the description so everyone can check that out later.

安娜：我会在描述中添加一个链接，以便每个人稍后都可以查看。

But do you play lots of games?

但你玩很多游戏吗？

Do you have a game cupboard in your house?

你家有游戏柜吗？

Luke: Yeah, we do.

卢克：是的，我们愿意。

So we've got, like the sort of bottom compartment of a cupboard in

所以我们就有了，就像我女儿卧室的橱柜底部隔间

my daughter's bedroom has got all the board games stuffed into it.

里塞满了所有棋盘游戏。

So yeah, we definitely have a games cupboard.

所以，是的，我们肯定有一个游戏柜。

Back in my childhood home, when I was growing up, in my parents'

回到我童年的家，当我长大的时候，在我父母的

house, we had a kind of a wooden box.

房子里，我们有一个木盒子。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And we would open up the wooden kind of a chest, and that was full of

安娜：是的。

卢克：我们会打开木制的箱子，里面装满了

all the different games and things, some of which have survived, including that

各种不同的游戏和东西，其中一些幸存下来，包括

old monopoly set and various others.

旧的垄断套装和其他各种游戏。

So, yeah.

嗯是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: So we have a couple of spaces in our house where we keep our games

安娜：我们家里有几个地方可以放游戏，

because I've, you know, got two young children and it is possibly the same...

因为我有两个小孩，可能是一样的……

you said yours is in your daughter's bedroom.

你说你的孩子在你女儿的卧室里。

I mean, the risk there, 'cause I think your daughter's quite young, the risk

我的意思是，那里的风险，因为我认为你女儿还很小，

there is that they might take them out when they're exploring one day and you're

那里的风险是他们可能有一天在探索时把它们拿出来，而你

not looking, and then you find that there are lots of pieces missing or shoved into

没有看，然后你发现有很多碎片失踪或被塞到

lots of different places all mixed up.

很多不同的地方，全部混在一起。

So we have been separating our stuff for a while, with the

因此，我们已经将我们的东西分开一段时间了，大部分

majority of the games accessible in the kind of kiddie's play area.

游戏都可以在儿童游乐区进行。

We have those IKEA cupboards, you know, there's the, I think

我们有那些宜家橱柜，你知道，我想

they're called Kallax or something.

它们叫做 Kallax 之类的。

There's like, everyone has one of these cupboards in the UK if they

就像，在英国每个人都有这样的橱柜之一，如果他们

shop at IKEA for any furniture, they all have these Kallax units.

在宜家购买任何家具，他们都有这些 Kallax 单元。

And we've got about five of them around the house.

我们家里大约有五个这样的人。

So we just fill one of those with the accessible games that we don't mind

因此，我们只是在其中填满一些易于理解的游戏，我们不介意

the children just grabbing at will.

孩子们随意抓握。

And then we have an inaccessible cupboard that has all the more advanced games,

然后我们有一个难以接近的橱柜，里面有所有更高级的游戏，

like the chess sets and things like that.

比如国际象棋之类的东西。

Luke: Right.

卢克：对。

Anna: And the jigsaw puzzles.

安娜：还有拼图游戏。

I'm a big fan of jigsaws.

我是拼图的忠实粉丝。

How about you?

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

你呢？

卢克：哦，是啊，是啊。

I love a jigsaw, and of course it's very good that you keep the jigsaw puzzles

我喜欢拼图，当然，最好让拼图

away from the little kids because you cannot let any of those pieces go missing.

远离小孩子，因为你不能让任何一块拼图丢失。

Anna: No.

Luke: Because if you try and do a jigsaw and there's one piece missing, then ah,

安娜：不。 卢克：因为如果你尝试做拼图，却少了一块，那么啊，

that's the worst thing in the world.

那是世界上最糟糕的事情。

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

Luke: A 1000-piece jigsaw has to be complete and if you put all that time into

安娜：是啊，是啊。

卢克： 1000块拼图必须是完整的，如果你花了那么多时间去做

doing it, and then at the end there's just one missing piece, it really ruins it.

，最后只剩下一块，那就真的毁了它。

But yeah, I do like a jigsaw.

但是，是的，我确实喜欢拼图。

They, you know, it forces you to slow down and take the time to just

你知道，这会迫使你放慢速度，花时间专注

focus on building that picture.

于构建画面。

And there are strategies involved as well in jigsaws.

拼图中也涉及策略。

Anna: How do you do your jigsaws?

安娜：你的拼图是怎么做的？

Luke: So you find all the edge pieces first, obviously.

卢克：显然，你首先要找到所有边缘部分。

Anna: Of course.

安娜：当然。

Luke: Corner pieces are vital and then edges.

卢克：角块很重要，然后是边缘。

And then, well, you just do your best from there, don't you really?

然后，好吧，你就从那里尽力而为，不是吗？

Anna: Do you look at the picture?

安娜：你看照片吗？

Luke: Oh yeah, of course.

卢克：哦，是的，当然。

Anna: Ah, see, the most fun is to spend about 60 seconds, before you

安娜：啊，看，最有趣的是在

start, studying the picture, and then you never look at it again.

开始之前花大约 60 秒的时间研究这幅画，然后你就再也不会看它了。

Luke: Oh my God.

卢克：天啊。

But that's too difficult, surely.

但这确实太难了。

Anna: Well, if you...

安娜：嗯，如果你……

it depends on the jigsaw.

这取决于拼图。

We once did a jigsaw of the Rosetta Stone, and actually, I think that's

我们曾经做过罗塞塔石碑的拼图，实际上，我认为这就是

the one jigsaw that defeated us.

打败我们的拼图。

We had to first look at the picture and even then we couldn't get it.

我们必须先看图片，但即便如此我们也无法得到它。

So we ended up putting that one away.

所以我们最终把那个收起来了。

But often we will just study the picture initially and then put it

但通常我们只是先研究一下图片，然后把它

away and then try and figure it out without ever looking at the picture.

收起来，然后尝试找出答案，而不看图片。

It does take a long time.

确实需要很长时间。

It will often take maybe a week or two, which now, because we've got

这通常需要一两周的时间，现在，因为我们有

the kids, we can't just leave it out on the table 'cause the kids

孩子，我们不能把它留在桌子上，因为孩子们

will be like, "oh, what's this?

会说，“哦，这是什么？

I help, I help."

我帮忙，我帮助。”

Putting them everywhere.

把它们放在各处。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: But we did just buy one of these mats.

安娜：但我们确实只买了一张这样的垫子。

And, sorry, this is jigsaws.

抱歉，这是拼图。

This is completely off topic, but anyway, we bought one of these

这完全是题外话，但无论如何，我们买了一个这样的

mats that you can roll up with a big inflatable like sausage.

垫子，你可以用一个大的充气像香肠卷起来。

You lay the jigsaw out on the mat, and then when you finished for that

您将拼图放在垫子上，然后当您完成该

session, you just roll it very carefully around this inflatable sausage.

部分时，只需将其非常小心地围绕着充气香肠滚动即可。

And then just tie it off.

然后把它系起来。

And then you can travel with it, take it with you, unroll it somewhere else.

然后您可以带着它旅行、随身携带、将它展开到其他地方。

Luke: Right.

卢克：对。

So you're not restricted to just doing the jigsaw in this one location.

因此，您不仅限于在这一地点进行拼图。

Yeah.

Anna: Exactly.

是的。 安娜：没错。

But for us, it's a protection thing to get it away from the kids.

但对我们来说，让它远离孩子是一种保护。

Luke: Very good.

卢克：非常好。

Very smart move.

非常聪明的举动。

Yeah,

是的，

Anna: We would never buy jigsaws from a charity shop, as well.

安娜：我们也永远不会从慈善商店购买拼图。

Like we have a little jigsaw club in my group of friends

就像我们在当地的一群朋友中有一个小拼图俱乐部一样

locally and we swap jigsaws.

，我们交换拼图。

So we're always on the lookout for good jigsaws in different,

因此，我们总是在不同的地方（例如花园中心和商店）寻找好的拼图

like garden centres and shops.

。

But I would never buy from a charity shop because you can't guarantee if it's a

但我永远不会从慈善商店购买，因为你无法保证它是否是

complete jigsaw, and I'm sure the charity shop don't say, "Hey Vera, can you just

完整的拼图，而且我确信慈善商店不会说，“嘿维拉，你能

complete the puzzle and make sure it's complete before we put it for sale?"

完成拼图并确保它在之前完成吗？”我们把它出售？”

But I did break my rule when recently visiting the charity shop to reward my

但我最近去慈善商店奖励我的

boys who had slept through the night for five consecutive nights, got their

孩子们，他们连续五个晚上睡了一整夜，

little stars on their star chart, and I said, okay, five stars you can go

在他们的星图上得到了他们的小星星，我确实打破了我的规则，我说，好吧，五颗星，你可以去

to the charity shop and pick anything.

慈善机构购物并挑选任何东西。

And while we were there, I saw a jigsaw, which was a map of the world, and I

当我们在那里时，我看到了一个拼图，这是一张世界地图，我

thought, it's a little bit old for them at the moment, but wouldn't this be a

想，这对他们来说有点旧了，但这不是

great thing to help teach them geography?

帮助他们教地理的好东西吗？

So we bought it and broke it out with them.

所以我们买了它并和他们一起解决了。

We did it on the floor.

我们是在地板上做的。

The hardest jigsaw I think I've ever done.

我认为是我做过的最难的拼图。

I had to actually look at the picture, because it's not a typical jigsaw shape.

我必须实际查看图片，因为它不是典型的拼图形状。

All the pieces are only the shape of the countries.

所有的碎片只是国家的形状。

Luke: Ah, I see.

卢克：啊，我明白了。

Anna: And so when you get to like Africa...

安娜：所以当你开始喜欢非洲时...

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: And there's all these teeny, tiny little, you know,

安娜：还有所有这些很小很小的国家，你知道，

countries, all fit together.

它们都组合在一起。

Luke: A lot of them are straight lines as well in Africa, in

卢克：在非洲，在 非洲中部

the central parts of Africa.

，很多都是直线 。

Yeah.

Anna: It was so hard.

是的。 安娜：太难了。

So hard.

太难了。

It is really good.

这真的很好。

I mean, it was teaching me a thing or two about where places are.

我的意思是，它教会了我一两件事关于地方在哪里。

It makes you realise like, oh, I know where this place is.

它让你意识到，哦，我知道这个地方在哪里。

No, I actually don't.

不，我其实不知道。

I've got no idea.

我不知道。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Yeah.

My parents have got the same thing, but for all the counties in...

是的。 我的父母也有同样的情况，但对于所有县来说……

Anna: Right.

Luke: In, I think it's only in England, just the English counties.

安娜：对。

卢克：我认为只有在英格兰，只有英国的郡县。

And yeah, that's surprisingly difficult as well because you kind of think

是的，这也非常困难，因为你认为

you know them, but that's very hard.

你了解他们，但这非常困难。

Anna: I'm terrible at geography.

安娜：我地理很差。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: Absolutely terrible.

安娜：太糟糕了。

So I wouldn't be able to do that.

所以我无法做到这一点。

And the globe one ended up me, just me on the floor.

地球仪结束了我，只有我躺在地板上。

The kids got bored, and so they were off doing their Play-Doh or whatever it was.

孩子们感到无聊，所以他们就去做培乐多或其他任何事情。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And I'm there doing this jigsaw on my own, on the floor and

卢克：是的。 安娜：我自己在地板上做拼图，

there were three pieces missing at the end, and I was just devastated.

最后少了三块，我简直崩溃了。

But it turned out, They weren't missing, they were under the rug.

但事实证明，他们并没有失踪，而是藏在地毯下。

The boys had helped me by stuffing them under the rug.

男孩们帮我把它们塞到了地毯下面。

Luke: Right, yeah.

卢克：对，是的。

That's the thing with jigsaws, you've gotta watch out for all the pieces.

这就是拼图的问题，你必须小心所有的碎片。

But I do love jigsaws.

但我确实喜欢拼图。

I love doing jigsaws of maps, but I will look at the picture.

我喜欢做地图拼图，但我会看图片。

You know, I don't consider that to be cheating 'cause ultimately if I

你知道，我不认为这是作弊，因为最终如果我

was doing it without looking at the picture, I would have a horrible time.

不看图片就这样做，我会度过一段可怕的时光。

So why make life difficult for yourself, you know?

那么为什么要让自己的生活变得困难呢，你知道吗？

Anna: Well, you should try it.

安娜：嗯，你应该尝试一下。

Luke: I suppose so.

卢克：我想是的。

Anna: I challenge you.

Don't take a really hard picture that's just like clouds or waves.

安娜：我向你挑战。

不要拍摄像云或波浪这样的硬照片。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or trees.

卢克：是的。

安娜：或者树。

Rose bushes.

玫瑰丛。

Just, you know, take something that's a mixture of things that you can figure out.

只是，你知道，采取一些你能弄清楚的东西的混合体。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: You know, I think it's fun.

安娜：你知道，我觉得这很有趣。

Luke: Jigsaws with lots and lots of little details are great.

卢克：有很多很多小细节的拼图很棒。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Like one of my favourites is the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album cover.

安娜：嗯嗯。 卢克：我最喜欢的作品之一就是披头士乐队佩珀中士的专辑封面。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Because every single portion of that picture has got

安娜：是的。 卢克：因为那张照片的每一部分都有

something interesting in it.

一些有趣的东西。

Alexa: Someone's at the front door.

Anna: Sorry, Alexa is so rude.

Alexa：有人在前门。

安娜：抱歉，Alexa 太粗鲁了。

Luke: You are being interrupted by Alexa.

Luke：你被 Alexa 打断了。

Anna: She always does this.

安娜：她总是这样做。

Luke: What's Alexa saying to you?

卢克：Alexa 对你说什么？

Anna: Someone's at the front door.

安娜：有人在前门。

Bing bong.

宾邦。

Luke: This happened to us last time, Anna.

卢克：安娜，我们上次就遇到过这种事。

Anna: It always happens.

I've unplugged her.

安娜：这种事总是会发生。

我已经拔掉她的电源了

Luke: Alexa is so helpful and yet unhelpful at the same time.

Luke：Alexa 非常有帮助，但同时也没什么帮助。

Anna: So, what was I talking about?

安娜：那么，我在说什么？

I was doing a podcast when I was talking about how a lot of English words come from

当我谈论很多英语单词如何来自

Arabic or have a relationship to Arabic.

阿拉伯语或与阿拉伯语有关系时，我正在做一个播客。

And I was going through the list and one of the words was elixir, an

我正在浏览清单，其中一个词是长生不老药，

elixir and she kept coming on going,

长生不老药，她继续说道，

"I'm sorry, I don't know that one right now."

“对不起，我现在不知道那个。”

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I'm not talking to you!

卢克：是的。

安娜：我不是在跟你说话！

Luke: I'll be teaching in class in, you know, in English lessons and I say

卢克：我会在课堂上教书，你知道，在英语课上，我会说

something that sounds like Hey, Siri.

一些听起来像嘿，Siri 的话。

Oh!

哦！

Anna: There we go.

安娜：我们走吧。

Luke: Not talking to you now, doing a podcast.

卢克：现在不跟你说话，做播客。

Siri: Okay.

西里：好的。

Luke: Okay, says Siri.

卢克：好的，Siri 说。

Anna: Brilliant.

Luke: Alright.

安娜：太棒了。

卢克：好的。

And I'll say something that sounds like that and, and Siri steps in and

我会说一些听起来像这样的话，然后 Siri 介入并

says, "I'm sorry, I can't find that.

说：“抱歉，我找不到这个。

Here are some results from the internet", or something like that.

这是来自互联网的一些结果”，或者类似的话。

It's always a hilarious moment.

这总是一个搞笑的时刻。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

It's so rude.

It's so rude.

太粗鲁了。

太粗鲁了。

Someone should teach them some manners.

应该有人教他们一些礼仪。

Okay, so, jigsaws fantastic, but...

好吧，拼图太棒了，但是……

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: What's your default, what's your go-to game when you're, say,

卢克：是的。

安娜：你的默认设置是什么，当你，比方说，你最喜欢玩的游戏是什么？

with your family or your friends?

和你的家人或朋友一起吗？

Luke: Well, obviously Monopoly, as we've said.

卢克：嗯，显然是大富翁，正如我们所说的。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But other ones, Scrabble is a bit of a favourite, oh it's a tough one.

安娜：是的。 卢克：但是其他的，拼字游戏是我的最爱，哦，这是一个很难的游戏。

You know.

你知道。

Anna: What, Scrabble's a tough one?

安娜：什么，拼字游戏很难吗？

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Or the question's tough?

卢克：是的。 安娜：或者这个问题很难？

Luke: Scrabble is, well, both the question is tough because there are

卢克：拼字游戏是，嗯，这两个问题都很棘手，因为

many games I could talk about, but I realise there are only a certain number

我可以谈论很多游戏，但我意识到

of minutes that we can do this for.

我们只能在一定的时间内做到这一点。

But I mean, you know, we could do an hour on each game.

但我的意思是，你知道，我们可以在每场比赛上花一个小时。

Anna: Why is Scrabble tough for you?

安娜：为什么拼字游戏对你来说很难？

Luke: Well, it's just, you know, words innit?

卢克：嗯，这只是，你知道，文字吗？

You know, just like, ahh...

你知道，就像，啊...

Anna: English words?

安娜：英语单词？

Luke: English words, spelling.

路加：英语单词，拼写。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But it's tough because I'm competing against, probably my mum and dad.

安娜：是的。

卢克：但这很艰难，因为我的对手可能是我的妈妈和爸爸。

And my wife, now she is French, but she's so good at Scrabble

而我的妻子，现在她是法国人了，但她的 英语

in English, it's frightening.

拼字游戏非常擅长

Yeah, I'm so ashamed of myself when I play against her and, and lose.

，这太可怕了。 是的，当我和她比赛并输掉比赛时，我为自己感到羞愧。

I mean, you know, I suppose I shouldn't be, I should just be

我的意思是，你知道，我想我不应该这样，我应该

proud of my wife for being so good at Scrabble in a second language.

为我的妻子感到自豪，因为她擅长用第二语言拼字游戏。

We were on holiday in Brittany recently, and there was a Scrabble set in the room.

我们最近在布列塔尼度假，房间里有一套拼字游戏。

And it was a French Scrabble set.

这是一套法国拼字游戏。

Anna: Ah.

Luke: You might think, well, the alphabet's the same, but like the number

安娜：啊。

卢克：你可能会认为，字母表是一样的，但就像

of letters is, you know, the arrangement, the number of each letter is different.

字母的数量一样，你知道，每个字母的排列、数量是不同的。

And in a French Scrabble set, just so many vowels, just,

在法语拼字游戏中，元音太多了，

it's just like too many vowels.

就像元音太多一样。

'cause you know, in French spelling, they use a lot more vowels.

因为你知道，在法语拼写中，他们使用更多的元音。

Anna: Do you have the ones with the, the little, um...

安娜：你们有带那个，小，嗯……的吗

Luke: Accents?

？ 卢克：口音？

No, there are no accents.

不，没有口音。

They don't do accents, 'cause that would be too complicated.

他们不做口音，因为那太复杂了。

But no, just, just way more vowels.

但不，只是，只是更多的元音。

So I'm just like picking out my letters.

所以我就像挑选我的信一样。

Just like, okay, E O U E.

就像，好吧，EOU E。

Just O's U's and E's like millions of E's, and O'S and U's.

只有 O 的 U 和 E 就像数百万个 E、O 和 U。

So that was complicated.

所以这很复杂。

And of course, you know, we, I was like, oh, there's a Scrabble set here.

当然，你知道，我们，我当时想，哦，这里有一套拼字游戏。

And my wife's like, should we play in English or French?

我妻子问，我们应该用英语还是法语玩？

And you know, just, you know, it's sometimes hard for me to win in English.

你知道，只是，你知道，有时我很难用英语获胜。

Yeah.

So there's really no chance of being able to win in French.

是的。 所以说法语真的没有获胜的机会。

But it's still a great game.

但这仍然是一场很棒的比赛。

I do love like trying to find like the, it's not just about

我确实喜欢尝试寻找类似的东西，这不仅仅是

finding the long words, but finding clever ways to use little words,

找到长单词，而是找到巧妙的方法来使用小单词，

but maximise the extra points.

但最大限度地提高额外的分数。

You know, if someone's put down a word with a Q in it or an X or something

你知道，如果有人写下一个带有 Q 或 X 或类似内容的单词

like that, you can find a way to incorporate that X and get a triple

，你可以找到一种方法来合并该 X 并获得三倍

and land on a double at the same time.

，同时落在双倍上。

And then you can get a massive score if you're clever enough.

如果你足够聪明，你就可以获得很高的分数。

Anna: And if you struggle with spelling, 'cause I am really

安娜：如果你在拼写方面遇到困难，因为我真的

not very good at spelling.

不太擅长拼写。

I've improved a lot since teaching because I'm always looking at

自从教书以来，我进步了很多，因为我总是看

and writing out notes and looking at words and teaching them.

笔记、写笔记、看单词并教它们。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But I'm dyslexic, so spelling has always been a bit of a weak point.

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：但我有诵读困难症，所以拼写一直是一个弱点。

And I think I've often hidden behind that as an excuse.

我想我经常以此为借口。

Oh, I'm dyslexic, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it.

哦，我有阅读障碍，所以我不会太担心。

But as a teacher, you try and hold yourself to account a bit more.

但作为一名老师，你会努力让自己承担更多的责任。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And make sure what you're putting out is good.

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：并确保你发布的内容是好的。

So I think I've learned a lot with that.

所以我想我从中学到了很多东西。

So I think maybe I'll be better at Scrabble now than I used to be.

所以我想也许我现在拼字游戏会比以前更好。

But you can get Junior Scrabble, can't you?

但你可以学初级拼字游戏，不是吗？

So if you're an English learner, maybe Scrabble would be a

因此，如果您是英语学习者，也许拼字游戏会是一个

good game for you to play.

不错的游戏。

Luke: Sure.

Anna: To help with your English.

卢克：当然。 安娜：帮助你提高英语。

Luke: Absolutely.

卢克：当然。

Anna: But perhaps a Junior Scrabble board initially would be good.

安娜：但也许最初使用初级拼字游戏板会比较好。

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

卢克：是啊，是啊。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

Yeah.

All those things.

是的。 所有这些事情。

I mean, board games for learning English, a hundred percent.

我的意思是，棋盘游戏对于学习英语来说，百分百。

Great idea.

好想法。

'Cause, you know, it is basically a scenario in which you often have to use

因为，你知道，这基本上是一个你经常必须使用的场景

language in order to complete the game.

语言来完成游戏。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

安娜：嗯嗯。

Luke: It essentially takes away the need for forced social interaction.

卢克：它本质上消除了强制社交互动的需要。

It's a great social lubricant, which is exactly what you need to practise English.

这是一种很好的社交润滑剂，这正是你练习英语所需要的。

You know, you don't have to be like, oh and what we're gonna talk

你知道，你不必说，哦，我们

about now, you know, it's all there.

现在要讨论的，你知道，一切都在那里。

You just have to play the game and you will be encouraged to use language.

你只需要玩游戏，我们就会鼓励你使用语言。

Some games involve language like Scrabble, for example, or some others and some games

有些游戏涉及语言，例如拼字游戏，或者其他一些游戏，有些游戏

also just encourage you to use language to achieve the outcome of the game.

也只是鼓励您使用语言来实现游戏的结果。

Like for example, if you have to negotiate in Monopoly for something, you know, for

举例来说，如果你必须在《大富翁》中就某件事进行谈判，你知道，

example, that can be really good practice.

这可能是一个很好的做法。

So yeah, I should give a shout out to another teacher called Zdenek,

所以，是的，我应该向另一位来自捷克共和国的老师 Zdenek，呃，Zdenek Lukas 大声喊叫

uh, Zdenek Lukas from the Czech Republic, who has been doing a

，他 多年来 一直在做

podcast in English for many years.

英语播客。

And he likes to use board games as well.

他也喜欢玩棋盘游戏。

He's kind of a huge board game enthusiast, and he has a Discord

他是一位棋盘游戏的狂热爱好者，他有一个

server called the Achievers Chamber.

名为 Achievers Chamber 的 Discord 服务器。

Right.

And they do play board games there in English.

正确的。 他们确实在那里用英语玩棋盘游戏。

So he's a good person to go to if you're interested in practising

因此，如果您有兴趣通过 棋盘游戏练习英语，

your English with board games.

他是一个不错的选择 。

Anna: Fantastic.

Yeah, and I think having fun while learning is always really important for

安娜：太棒了。

是的，我认为学习时享受乐趣对于动力、大脑、处理事物都非常重要，

motivation, also your brain, you process things and you know, it helps your memory.

而且它有助于你的记忆。

If you are enjoying and releasing all those happy hormones.

如果您正在享受并释放所有这些快乐的荷尔蒙。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: While you are learning, it, you know, removes all the stress,

卢克：是的。 安娜：当你学习的时候，你知道，它消除了所有的压力，

which isn't good for memory.

这对记忆力没有好处。

So, so play some games.

所以，所以玩一些游戏。

Now, one of the great things with Scrabble is getting a Scrabble dictionary and

现在，拼字游戏最棒的事情之一就是获得一本拼字游戏字典，并

learning some of the weird and bizarre words that you'll throw down on the

学习一些奇怪的单词，你将把它们扔在黑板上

board and it's a high scorer and someone will go, "that's not a word!", and

，它是一个高分者，有人会说，“这不是一个单词！”，你

you say, "hey, check out the Scrabble dictionary because it is a word."

说：“嘿，查一下拼字词典，因为它是一个单词。”

I actually played for my school, funnily enough, terrible speller, but I played in

我实际上为我的学校打球，有趣的是，拼写很糟糕，但我玩

the Scrabble, like leagues at school, and there was always a whole bunch of random

拼字游戏，就像学校里的联赛一样，而且总是有一大堆随机的

two letter words that I'm like, you would never use this word in a conversation.

两个字母单词，我想，你永远不会在其中使用这个单词一个对话。

What even is it?

究竟是什么？

But there're allowed because they're in the dictionary and one of these words

但这是允许的，因为它们在字典中，而其中一个单词

is not even in the official dictionary.

甚至不在官方字典中。

It's allowed in the Scrabble dictionary, and it's an abbreviation of casual.

它在拼字游戏词典中是允许的，它是casual的缩写。

It's cazh, spelled C-A-Z-H.

它是cazh，拼写为CAZH。

Luke: C-A-Z-H?

卢克：CAZH？

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Cazh.

安娜：嗯嗯。

卡兹。 卢克：真的吗，cazh？

Luke: Really, cazh?

Anna: Mm-hmm.

安娜：嗯嗯。

Luke: Yeah, that Scrabble dictionary is very suspect, isn't it?

卢克：是啊，那本拼字词典很可疑，不是吗？

Don't you think?

Anna: Bit dodgy.

你不觉得吗？

安娜：有点狡猾。

Bit dodgy.

Luke: Like it's, yeah, like, my parents, when we play Scrabble with them, they

有点狡猾。

卢克：就像，是的，就像我的父母一样，当我们和他们一起玩拼字游戏时，他们

basically ban the Scrabble dictionary.

基本上禁止使用拼字游戏词典。

Anna: Right.

Luke: You know, because otherwise what happens is you just end up digging

安娜：对。

卢克：你知道，否则会发生的事情就是你最终会翻遍

through the Scrabble dictionary, trying to justify some ridiculous three letter

拼字游戏字典，试图证明一些

word that contains an X or something.

包含 X 或其他东西的荒谬的三个字母单词的合理性。

Or you know, you come out with Q I.

或者你知道，你用 Q I 出来。

It's like ah, qi?

就像 ah、qi？

And so like, everyone's like qi, that's not a word.

所以就像，每个人都像“气”，这不是一个词。

Yeah, it is qi.

是的，就是气。

It's pronounced 'key'.

It's a Chinese word.

读作“钥匙”。

这是一个中文单词。

It means energy.

它意味着能量。

Ah, there you go.

啊，就这样吧。

You know.

你知道。

Anna: Yeah.

Your parents are a lot of fun.

安娜：是的。

你的父母很有趣。

You did an episode with them recently for the coronation?

你最近在加冕礼上和他们一起拍了一集？

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah, they are.

卢克：是的。

安娜：是的，他们是。

You can see a lot of your personality and where that's, well, not

你可以看到你的很多个性，但那不是

that your personality came from your parents, you are unique.

你的个性来自你的父母，你是独一无二的。

But, um...

但是，嗯...

Luke: Yeah, I did it myself.

卢克：是的，我自己做的。

I built it on my own!

我自己建的！

Anna: But they are, they're good fun.

安娜：但确实如此，他们很有趣。

You can tell that they're quite astute and clever.

可以看出，他们是非常精明、聪明的。

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

卢克：是啊，是啊。

Yeah, they are pretty smart and clever people.

是的，他们都是非常聪明、聪明的人。

Quite funny.

很有趣。

Yeah, it's nice.

是的，这很好。

Yeah.

I'm lucky.

是的。 我很幸运。

Lucky to have parents like that and yeah, it's nice to play board games with them.

很幸运有这样的父母，是的，和他们一起玩棋盘游戏真是太好了。

It's always pretty good fun.

这总是很有趣。

Although you know, my wife's very competitive and my

虽然你知道，我妻子很有竞争力，我

dad is competitive, right.

爸爸也很有竞争力，对吧。

So there's, when the two of them clash heads...

所以，当他们两个头部发生冲突时……

Anna: Oh, they fight do they?

安娜：哦，他们打架了，是吗？

Luke: Well, in a nice way.

卢克：嗯，以一种很好的方式。

Anna: Which side do I take?

安娜：我站在哪一边？

Obviously always your wife's.

显然永远是你妻子的。

Luke: Yeah, of course.

卢克：是的，当然。

But it's always interesting to see how the dynamic switches

但当 竞争到来时，

when the competition arrives.

观察动态如何变化总是很有趣的 。

But it's good.

但这很好。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: No, it's great.

安娜：是的。 卢克：不，这很棒。

Anna: Okay, so there's just two more words I'm gonna mention

安娜：好的，在 我们继续之前，

on Scrabble before we move on.

我要在拼字游戏中再提两个词 。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And one of them is zax, which is the highest scoring three

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：其中之一是“zax”，这是得分最高的三

letter word that you can have.

字母单词。

Luke: Z-A-X?

卢克：扎克斯？

Anna: Zax, do you know what this is?

安娜：扎克斯，你知道这是什么吗？

Luke: Zax?

卢克：扎克斯？

Mm-hmm.

I've no idea what zax is.

嗯嗯。 我不知道zax是什么。

No one ever uses the word zax.

没有人使用过“zax”这个词。

I've never read it, heard it.

我从来没有读过，也没有听过。

Anna: It would be used in a specific industry.

安娜：它将用于特定行业。

So if you work in a specific industry, it's a tool.

所以如果你在特定行业工作，它就是一个工具。

Luke: Okay.

卢克：好的。

Like can you just pass me that zax over there.

就像你能把那边的zax递给我吗？

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

Luke: It's a tool like that.

卢克：就是这样一个工具。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Sorry, pass, pass you what?

安娜：是的。 卢克：抱歉，通过，通过你什么？

The zax over there.

扎克斯在那边。

It's his first day on the job.

这是他第一天上班。

He doesn't know what a zax is.

他不知道zax是什么。

Anna: So it's an axe that a slater uses, so it's a specific axe for a

安娜：所以它是石板工使用的斧头，所以它是

specific job of putting nails into slate.

用于将钉子钉入石板的特定工作的

Luke: Slate, which is like things that would go on the roof of a house.

特定斧头 。 卢克：板岩，就像屋顶上的东西一样。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

安娜：嗯嗯。

嗯嗯。

是的。

Luke: Okay.

A zax is a specific hammer for hitting nails into a roof.

卢克：好的。

Zax 是一种用于将钉子钉入屋顶的特殊锤子。

Anna: Yeah, I believe so.

安娜：是的，我相信是这样。

Don't quote me on that.

不要引用我的话。

I might have got that wrong.

我可能弄错了。

Luke: Yeah, I'll take your word for it.

卢克：是的，我相信你的话。

Anna: A slater's axe.

安娜：一把板斧。

Now the other one, quite funny, is the word gangbang.

现在另一个非常有趣的词是“轮奸”这个词。

Luke: Oh yeah?

卢克：哦，是吗？

Anna: Oh yeah.

安娜：哦，是的。

Luke: Oh yes, okay.

卢克：哦，是的，好的。

Wait, that's quite a long word as well for G A N G...

等等，这对 GAN G 来说也是一个很长的词……

Anna: Four, uh, four?

安娜：四，呃，四？

Eight!

Luke: B A N G, eight.

八！ 卢克：砰，八点。

So that's, yeah.

所以，是的。

If you've got a word that ends in a G on the board, and you've got

如果你在黑板上有一个以 G 结尾的单词，并且你

'angbang' in your hand then, you know...

手里 有 “angbang”，那么你知道……

Anna: Boom!

Luke: Don't waste any time!

安娜：轰！ 卢克：别浪费时间了！

Anna: Get on with the gangbang!

安娜：继续轮奸吧！

Luke: Yeah, exactly.

卢克：是的，完全正确。

Anna: So what I've got here is the word was allowed in the second edition of

安娜：所以我得到的是这个词在

the Scrabble dictionary, but then it got removed from the third edition and

拼字词典第二版中被允许，但后来它从第三版中删除，

then was reintroduced in the fourth.

然后在第四版中重新引入。

Now apparently this is because it changed meaning over the time.

现在显然这是因为它随着时间的推移而改变了含义。

So gangbang, it's transitioned its meaning from participating

所以gangbang，它的含义已经从参加

in gang related activities.

帮派相关的活动转变过来了。

Luke: Right.

卢克：对。

Gangbanging or to be a gangbanger.

帮派或者成为帮派。

Anna: Yeah.

Yes.

安娜：是的。

是的。

Yeah.

So, me and my gang are gonna go and hang out in the fields

是的。 所以，我和我的伙伴们要去田野里闲逛

and just make daisy chains.

，制作菊花链。

We're just having a gangbang.

我们只是来一场群交而已

Luke: Um, I dunno about that.

卢克：嗯，我不知道。

I think it would be more like what, some guys going and

我认为这更像是，有些人去

stealing a car or something, no?

偷车什么的，不是吗？

Anna: Maybe.

Luke: Or maybe something as innocent as just collecting flowers.

安娜：也许吧。

卢克：或者也许是像收集鲜花一样单纯的事情。

Yeah.

是的。 安娜：也许吧。

Anna: Perhaps.

I've never been involved with any gang activities.

我从未参与过任何帮派活动。

So, and some people might be listening, going, what on earth are they...?

所以，有些人可能会听着，走着，他们到底是什么……？

Why are they laughing so much?

他们为什么笑得那么开心？

What is going on?

到底是怎么回事？

The like overarching meaning of this word that everyone knows it

每个人都知道这个词的总体含义

for is a bunch of chaps having intimate relations with one woman.

是一群与一个女人有亲密关系的小伙子。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: And so that's why we're kind of like sniggering and giggling.

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：所以这就是为什么我们有点窃笑和咯咯笑。

Luke: About sex - lol.

卢克：关于性——哈哈。

Anna: So yes, initially it was thought of as gang related activities

安娜：所以，是的，最初它被认为是与帮派相关的活动

to then something quite naughty.

，然后是一些非常顽皮的事情。

And then it went back to meaning participating in gang related activities.

然后又回到了参与帮派相关活动的意义。

I don't know how that happens.

我不知道这是怎么发生的。

Luke: So as the word sort of drifted in and out of acceptability.

卢克：所以这个词的可接受性时而变化。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。 卢克：这个词已经变成因为，因为是的，在拼字游戏中……

Luke: The word has become because, 'cause yeah, in Scrabble...

Anna: It was in and out, in and out.

安娜：它是进进出出，进进出出。

In and out.

进进出出。

Luke: Yeah.

That's another way of saying it, Anna, yeah.

卢克：是的。

这是另一种说法，安娜，是的。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。 卢克：因为在拼字游戏中，不允许使用粗鲁、禁忌或脏话，

Luke: 'Cause in Scrabble, like rude or taboo or swear words are not allowed,

which I find completely wrong and disappointing because I mean, you

我发现这完全错误且令人失望，因为我的意思是，你

know, why exclude the swear words?

知道，为什么要排除脏话？

Anna: Maybe it's because it's not family friendly.

安娜：也许是因为这里不适合家庭。

Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.

卢克：哦，是啊，是啊。

Okay.

If you're playing it with your grandma, and you write, you know, you put down

好的。 如果你和你的奶奶一起玩，你写下，你知道，你放下了

gangbang and then, you know, you say, well, it's in the rules, grandma,

轮奸，然后，你知道，你说，好吧，这是规则，奶奶，

you're allowed to use that word.

你可以使用这个词。

Yeah, I suppose they're just trying to prevent those sort of family, potential

是的，我想他们只是想防止

problems that could be caused by writing extremely rude words on a board.

在黑板上写下极其粗鲁的文字可能引起的家庭潜在问题。

I mean, it, you know, depends how committed you are to winning

我的意思是，你知道，这取决于你对赢得

the game, doesn't it really?

比赛的决心有多大，不是吗？

If you're like, I'm gonna risk it all.

如果你愿意，我愿意冒一切风险。

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna write gangbang.

我要，我要写轮奸。

I don't care what my grandparents think.

我不在乎我的祖父母怎么想。

I wanna win this game and I'm prepared to defend my choice.

我想赢得这场比赛，我准备捍卫我的选择。

I'll Google it in front of them if I have to.

如果有必要的话，我会在他们面前用谷歌搜索。

Anna: And display the trophy with pride.

安娜：并自豪地展示奖杯。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Okay.

卢克：是的。 安娜：好的。

So that's Scrabble.

这就是拼字游戏。

We'll leave that there.

我们会把它留在那里。

Luke: Okay.

Yeah.

卢克：好的。

是的。

Anna: So some, I think when it comes to board games, you're either a lover

安娜：所以有些，我认为当谈到桌游时，你要么是

of games that really take strategy and thinking, so they're like strategic

真正需要策略和思考的游戏的爱好者，所以它们就像策略

games that you have to use your brain.

游戏，你必须动动你的大脑。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: Or they're just a game of chance.

安娜：或者它们只是一场机会游戏。

And I guess with younger children, a lot of their board games tend

我想对于年幼的孩子来说，他们的很多棋盘游戏往往

to be just rolling a dice or, you know, picking the right card.

只是掷骰子，或者，你知道，选择正确的卡片。

It's all a game of chance.

这都是一场机会游戏。

For example, Snakes and Ladders, the old classic Snakes and Ladders.

比如蛇与梯子，老经典的蛇与梯子。

Luke: Snakes and Ladders.

路加：蛇与梯子。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: You just have to get the right numbers and work your way up the board.

安娜：你只需要得到正确的数字，然后在董事会中逐步晋升即可。

And what happens if you land on a ladder?

如果你落在梯子上会发生什么？

Luke: You climb up it.

卢克：你爬上去。

If you land on a snake's head, just like in the real world,

如果你落在蛇的头上，就像在现实世界中一样，

you slide all the way down.

你会一直滑下去。

All the way down to its tail.

一直到它的尾巴。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I mean, yeah.

It's not based in, it's not a very realistic game, I suppose.

安娜：是的。 卢克：我的意思是，是的。

我想，它不是基于，不是一个非常现实的游戏。

Anna: No.

安娜：不。

Luke: You're more likely to get bitten by the snake, I suppose.

卢克：我想你更有可能被蛇咬伤。

Especially if you land on its head.

特别是如果你的头着地的话。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。 卢克：但无论如何，是的。

Luke: But anyway, yeah.

In terms of the game, yeah.

就游戏而言，是的。

You climb up the ladder if you land at the bottom of it, if you're lucky enough.

如果你足够幸运的话，如果你落在梯子的底部，你就会爬上梯子。

And if you land on a snake's head, you slide all the way down to the bottom

如果你落在蛇的头上，你就会一直滑到底部

and it's, yeah, the drama, the, ahh no!

，是的，戏剧性的，啊不！

Slide all the way down!

一路滑下去！

But yeah, the kids love it because it's pretty simple stuff.

但是，是的，孩子们喜欢它，因为它非常简单。

Anna: Yeah.

Aging up again.

安娜：是的。

又老了。

One of the things I used to play a lot as a child was Trivial Pursuit.

我小时候经常玩的游戏之一是琐碎的追求。

Did you ever play that?

你玩过那个吗？

Luke: Oh, yeah.

卢克：哦，是的。 我喜欢一点琐碎的追求。

I love a bit of Trivial Pursuit.

Anna: What do you love about it?

安娜：你喜欢它什么？

Luke: I think the trivia more than the pursuit.

卢克：我觉得琐事比追求更重要。

Anna: Right.

Luke: In fact, I'm quite happy sometimes to just get the box of cards and just

安娜：对。 卢克：事实上，有时我很高兴收到一盒卡片，然后

like, just ask me some questions.

问我一些问题。

Let's ask each other questions, you know?

让我们互相问问题，知道吗？

Never mind about these bits of different coloured cheese in a wheel.

别介意轮子里这些不同颜色的奶酪。

Like what?

像什么？

Just ask the questions.

就问问题吧。

Anna: Yeah.

That's right.

安娜：是的。 这是正确的。

I called it a pie in the notes, but you're right, it's a

我在笔记中称它为馅饼，但你是对的，它是一个

wheel and it's cheeses, right?

轮子，它是奶酪，对吗？

Luke: Well, I don't know, 'cause like when you play Trivial Pursuit, people will

卢克：嗯，我不知道，因为就像当你玩 Trivial Pursuit 时，人们会

just decide to call it a pie or cheese.

决定称它为馅饼或奶酪。

It's cheese pies.

这是奶酪馅饼。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: I don't know really.

安娜：是的。 卢克：我真的不知道。

That's not written in the rules, is it?

规则里没这么写吧？

I dunno.

Segments, segments.

我不知道。

段，段。

Anna: It sounds really familiar.

安娜：听起来很熟悉。

As soon as you said cheese, that really made sense to me.

你一说起奶酪，我就明白了。

I was like, yeah, that's what we used to call it.

我当时想，是的，我们过去就是这么称呼它的。

I couldn't remember.

我不记得了。

I'm sure that's what it's written as.

我确信它就是这样写的。

You have a cheese.

你有一块奶酪。

Luke: Because Trivial Pursuit, it's got a kind of air of slight

卢克：因为琐碎的追求，它有一种稍微复杂的气氛

sophistication about it and sort of, oh, we're very clever and sophisticated.

，有点，哦，我们非常聪明和复杂。

We know things about science and geography, and history

我们了解科学、地理、历史

and literature and the arts.

、文学和艺术。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't think they're referring to those pieces as cheeses.

安娜：嗯嗯。

卢克：我不认为他们把这些碎片称为奶酪。

I think they call them segments.

我认为他们称之为分段。

Anna: Oh, oh yes.

安娜：哦，哦，是的。

Luke: I guess so.

I would imagine so.

卢克：我想是的。

我想是这样。

Anna: That would be sensible.

安娜：那是明智的。

Yeah.

So for those listening, Trivial Pursuit is basically a round board game?

是的。

那么对于那些听的人来说，《Trivial Pursuit》基本上是一款圆形棋盘游戏？

Well, it has a big circle that you have to get around, and as you keep going around

好吧，它有一个大圆圈，你必须绕着它转，当你

it with your little piece that has loads of segments that are empty, you have

用你的小块继续绕它转时，它有很多空的部分，你必须

to fill up your, let's call it a pie.

填满你的，让我们称之为馅饼。

You have to fill up your pie with all these little pieces.

你必须用所有这些小碎片填满你的馅饼。

And you get those pieces by landing on different colours,

你可以通过落在不同的颜色上来获得这些作品，

which are different topics.

这些颜色是不同的主题。

So you have things like sports and leisure, geography, arts and

所以你有体育和休闲、地理、艺术和

literature, things like that.

文学之类的东西。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So different topics of questions and every time you land on

卢克：是的。 安娜：所以问题的主题不同，每次你降落在

a square, you get asked that question.

一个广场上时，你都会被问到这个问题。

If you can answer it, you get your cheese or your segment or whatever it is.

如果你能回答它，你就会得到你的奶酪或你的片段或任何东西。

You get your piece.

你得到你的作品。 卢克：奶酪很好。

Luke: Cheese is good.

Anna: And when you fill up your entire pie, wheel, then you no

安娜：当你填满整个馅饼时，轮子，你就不再

longer have to keep going around.

需要继续四处走动了。

You can move up the middle and it's the first person to then get, and

你可以向上移动到中间，这是第一个到达的人，

you have to roll the exact number.

你必须滚动确切的数字。

It's so frustrating to get into the middle and then you are the winner, and

进入中间然后你就是赢家真是令人沮丧，

I think that's the downfall of the game.

我认为这就是游戏的失败。

Like you said, the fun is the trivia, it's answering the questions.

就像你说的，乐趣在于琐事，在于回答问题。

The boring bit is having to roll the dice and get the right numbers

无聊的是必须掷骰子并获得正确的数字

to get to where you need to be.

才能到达您需要到达的地方。

Luke: But it's quite clever in the way that they've made the game where

卢克：但他们制作游戏的方式非常聪明，

if it wasn't for the board and the cheeses and the pies and going around

如果不是因为棋盘、奶酪和馅饼，而是四处走动

and collecting cheese and going to the middle, if it wasn't for that,

，收集奶酪，然后走到中间，如果不是因为这些，

it would essentially just be a list of questions under different topics.

它本质上只是不同主题下的问题列表。

Anna: It'd be a quiz.

Luke: It'd just be a quiz.

安娜：这是一个测验。 卢克：这只是一个测验。

They could have sold it as a book.

他们本可以把它作为一本书出售。

Anna: Yeah.

Just gone to the pub, gone to a pub quiz.

安娜：是的。

刚刚去了酒吧，参加了酒吧测验。

Luke: Yeah, exactly yeah.

No, obviously this is the joy of the board game as a thing that there's a

卢克：是的，完全是的。

不，显然这就是棋盘游戏的乐趣，因为有一块

board and you wait your turn, you roll some dice and yeah, you know, the ritual

棋盘，你等待轮到你，你掷一些骰子，是的，你知道，

of a board game is a fantastic thing.

棋盘游戏的仪式是一件很棒的事情。

And so yeah, let's just turn a quiz into a board game.

所以，是的，让我们把测验变成棋盘游戏。

And they've done a very good job.

他们做得非常好。

It's one of the most successful board games that's ever been created.

它是有史以来最成功的棋盘游戏之一。

Anna: Lots of versions of it.

安娜：有很多版本。

I think for me, one of the downfalls is that it does go out of date.

我认为对我来说，缺点之一是它确实已经过时了。

If you are young, it goes out of date for you quite quickly.

如果你还年轻，它很快就会过时。

So I was quite young when I started playing this, and there were questions

所以当我开始玩这个的时候我还很年轻，并且有一些关于

about like, politics and things.

诸如政治之类的问题。

I was a kid.

我还是个孩子。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I had no idea about, if you had like arts and leisure and it's about movies and

卢克：是的。 安娜：我不知道，如果你喜欢艺术和休闲，并且与电影和

things, it could be very much of its time and not as relevant or well-known, so...

事物有关，那么它可能很适合它的时代，而不是相关或众所周知，所以......

Luke: Also quite American-centric as well.

卢克：也很以美国为中心以及。

Some of the early, maybe the first edition.

一些早期的，也许是第一版的。

That's the one I think that we've got at my parents' house.

我想这就是我们在我父母家里拥有的那个。

It's always funny playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents that edition

那个版本和我的父母一起玩琐碎的追求总是很有趣

because there's always a moment where everyone sort of sneers at the game.

，因为总有那么一个时刻，每个人都对这个游戏嗤之以鼻。

This is written by an American, you know, like.

这是一个美国人写的，你知道的。

'Cause all the questions are about American public figures and American

因为所有的问题都是关于美国公众人物、美国

this and American that I think.

这个、美国那个我认为的。

So it's always quite funny when that, I mean, at some point someone gets it wrong.

所以，我的意思是，当有人在某些时候犯错时，这总是很有趣的。

And there's, this is an American, isn't it who wrote this?

还有，这是一个美国人，这不是他写的吗？

Anna: You can always update the cards, just buy a fresh box I guess.

安娜：你可以随时更新卡片，我想买一盒新的就可以了。

Luke: Yeah, yeah.

卢克：是啊，是啊。

Anna: And just swap them in.

安娜：然后把它们交换一下。

I'm gonna ask you a few questions now.

我现在要问你几个问题。

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Are you ready?

卢克：好的。

安娜：你准备好了吗？

Luke: Uh, no.

卢克：呃，不。

Anna: No?

Luke: But I'll answer them anyway.

安娜：没有？ 卢克：但无论如何我都会回答他们。

Anna: Okay.

安娜：好的。

So this one is a, what topic is this?

所以这是一个，这是什么主题？

It gives you a clue when you know the topic.

当您了解主题时，它会给您提供线索。

So this is a sports and leisure question.

所以这是一个运动和休闲的问题。

Luke: Sports and leisure.

卢克：运动休闲。

Okay.

好的。

Anna: True or false?

安娜：是真是假？

Competitive tickling exists.

存在竞争性挠痒痒。

Luke: Competitive tickling.

卢克：竞争性的挠痒痒。

That's when you tickle someone...

那就是你给某人挠痒痒的时候……

Anna: Like when you like, rub them with your fingers to make them laugh.

安娜：就像你喜欢的时候，用手指摩擦他们让他们笑。

Luke: The ribs, under the arms, the soles of the feet,

路克：肋骨、腋下、脚底，

competitive tickling, true or false?

竞争性的痒痒，是真是假？

It's, I'm gonna say it's true.

是的，我会说这是真的。

I think it's true.

我认为这是真的。

Anna: You are correct.

安娜：你说得对。

You get a cheese.

你得到一块奶酪。

Luke: Oh, brilliant.

卢克：哦，太棒了。

Yeah.

是的。

Competitive tickling.

竞争性的挠痒痒。

Yeah.

是的。

Right.

I wonder what the rules are for that, that you...

正确的。

我想知道规则是什么，你……

Anna: Maybe it's that you have to make the other person wet themselves laughing.

安娜：也许你必须让对方笑得尿湿。

Luke: You get bonus points if, yeah, if they wet themselves.

卢克：如果，是的，如果他们尿湿了，你就会得到奖励分。

Anna: Yeah.

I'm going to divulge, my dad when I was younger, used to tickle me

安娜：是的。 我要透露的是，当我年轻的时候，我爸爸常常给我挠痒痒，

until it was just uncomfortable.

直到我感到不舒服为止。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: He would just tickle me and I'd be like, no, please stop.

卢克：是的。 安娜：他只会挠我痒痒，我会说，不，请停下来。

Please stop.

Please stop.

请住手。

请住手。

And once he tickled me until I wet myself.

有一次他挠我痒痒，直到我尿湿了。

Luke: Oh my God.

卢克：天啊。

Really?

真的吗？

Anna: Yeah.

It was horrendous.

安娜：是的。 太可怕了。

I was like, look what you made me do!

我当时想，看看你让我做了什么！

He was so good at tickling and I just, I couldn't resist.

他非常擅长挠痒痒，而我就是无法抗拒。

It was awful.

太糟糕了。

Luke: Yeah.

Well, when you know someone, and you know, that you, you

卢克：是的。 好吧，当你认识某人，并且你知道，你

know exactly how to tickle them.

知道如何逗他们开心。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: Then it's very hard not to tickle them, isn't it?

安娜：嗯嗯。

卢克：那很难不去挠他们，不是吗？

Yeah.

But you should probably stop before that person has to change

是的。 但你应该在那个人必须换

their trousers or something.

裤子或其他东西之前停下来。

Anna: Yeah.

I was a child.

安娜：是的。 我曾经是小孩。

I mean, it's not like I did this as an adult, you know?

我的意思是，这不像我作为一个成年人所做的，你知道吗？

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 安娜：所以我们会原谅我的。

Anna: So we'll forgive me for that one.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: But the next question on my list is a...

卢克：是的。 安娜：但我名单上的下一个问题是……

Luke: Science and nature.

卢克：科学与自然。

FE is the abbreviation of which element on the periodic table?

FE是元素周期表中哪个元素的缩写？

Okay.

I did study chemistry at school.

好的。

我在学校学过化学。

Anna: Good.

Luke: I think this is one of the only ones I remember along with Au, which is gold.

安娜：好。

卢克：我想这是我唯一记得的与金一起的东西之一。

Eh, you!

呃，你！

Now there's, there's no joke there, you think about it.

现在，这不是开玩笑，你想一想。

But Fe is, is it iron?

但Fe是，是铁吗？

Anna: That's right.

安娜：没错。

Luke: Yes.

Anna: Well done.

Luke: Yes.

卢克：是的。

安娜：干得好。

卢克：是的。 安娜：叮叮！

Anna: Ding ding!

You get two stars or two cheeses, confused the game.

你得到两颗星或两块奶酪，让游戏变得混乱。

Okay, last question 'cause I don't wanna drag this out too much.

好吧，最后一个问题，因为我不想拖得太久。

Luke: Okay.

卢克：好的。

Anna: A and L is arts and literature.

安娜：A和L是艺术和文学。

Luke: Arts and literature.

路加：艺术和文学。

Anna: Which classic novel opens with the line "Call me Ishmael."

安娜：哪部经典小说的开头是“叫我以实玛利”。

Luke: Call me Ishmael.

卢克：叫我以实玛利吧。

I don't know.

我不知道。

I have no idea.

我不知道。

I should probably guess, but I'm not going to.

我也许应该猜测，但我不会。

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I don't know who is...what's that?

安娜：好的。

卢克：但我不知道是谁……那是什么？

Anna: Moby Dick.

安娜：莫比迪克。

Luke: Oh, right.

卢克：噢，对了。

Anna: Have you read it?

Luke: I should have known that.

安娜：你读过吗？

卢克：我早该知道的。

Have you read it?

你读过吗？

Anna: I haven't read it.

安娜：我还没读过。

Have you read it?

Luke: No, I haven't read it, but I'd like to read it.

你读过吗？

卢克：不，我还没读过，但我想读一下。

But I'm put off by the fact that it's exceedingly long.

但我因为它太长而推迟了。

Anna: Yeah.

Like War and Peace.

安娜：是的。 比如《战争与和平》。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Exactly.

是的。 安娜：是的。

卢克：没错。

Anna: Okay, so I have one question for the listeners at home, so please don't

安娜：好的，我有一个问题要问家里的听众，所以请不要

answer this Luke, you can message me later if you think you know the answer.

回答这个卢克，如果你认为你知道答案，可以稍后给我留言。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: If you are listening and you are listening or watching on YouTube, then

安娜：如果你正在听并且你正在 YouTube 上听或观看，那么

you can write the answer in the comments.

你可以在评论中写下答案。

The question is, what is the only country to start with the letter O?

问题是，唯一以字母 O 开头的国家是哪一个？

Luke: Don't Google it, folks.

卢克：伙计们，不要用谷歌搜索它。

Anna: Yeah, don't cheat.

安娜：是啊，别作弊。

Luke: Use your brain.

卢克：用你的大脑。

Anna: Okay, so that's Trivial Pursuit.

安娜：好的，这就是琐碎的追求。

So now one of the most played board games in the world, and it's also

那么，现在世界上玩得最多的棋盘游戏之一，也是

the most owned board or board game in the UK is, what do you think?

英国拥有最多的棋盘或棋盘游戏，您怎么看？

Luke: Um.

卢克：嗯。

Hmm.

唔。

Hmm.

唔。

Anna: Like a standard piece of kit in everyone's house?

安娜：就像每个人家里的标准装备一样？

Luke: Cluedo.

卢克：线索。

Anna: Oh no, I don't have a Cluedo set here.

安娜：哦不，我这里没有《线索》套装。

Luke: Oh, okay.

卢克：哦，好吧。

So it's not Cluedo.

所以这不是《妙探寻凶》。

Well, it, can we go back to the classics like chess?

那么，我们能不能回到象棋这样的经典呢？

Anna: Chess.

Luke: Chess, okay.

安娜：国际象棋。

卢克：国际象棋，好吧。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

Luke: Yeah.

I feel like chess is an ancient game or something.

卢克：是的。 我觉得国际象棋是一种古老的游戏什么的。

Anna: It is.

安娜：是的。 它的历史可以追溯到六世纪。

It dates back to the sixth sixth century.

Luke: The sixth century.

路加福音：六世纪。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Not the sick century where everyone was sick with the plague.

安娜：是的。 卢克：不是每个人都染上瘟疫的病态世纪。

Anna: Well, they probably were quite sick in the sixth century.

安娜：嗯，六世纪的时候他们可能病得很重。

Luke: I expect so.

卢克：我希望如此。

But the sixth century.

但六世纪。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So that's 500 to 599 AD.

安娜：是的。 卢克：那是公元 500 年到 599 年。

Anna: I'll trust you on that one.

安娜：这一点我相信你。

Yeah.

是的。 我不做心算。

I don't do mental maths.

Maths.

数学。 卢克：我很确定这是对的。

Luke: I'm pretty sure that's right.

Okay.

It's the dark ages.

好的。 这是黑暗时代。

Anna: Yes.

安娜：是的。

It's a very old game, which means that some of the rules and

这是一款非常古老的游戏，这意味着一些规则和

the way the players move on the board is quite bizarre, really.

玩家在棋盘上的移动方式确实非常奇怪。

Can you remember what all the, you said in the previous episode,

你还记得你在上一集我们关于大富翁的小聊天中所说的一切吗

our little chat about Monopoly, that you don't really do chess?

？你实际上并不下棋吗？

Luke: I love chess.

卢克：我喜欢下棋。

Don't get me wrong.

I love chess.

别误会我的意思。

我喜欢国际象棋。

I'm fascinated by chess.

我对国际象棋着迷。

I do play chess sometimes, but it's too, it's a little beyond me.

我有时确实会下棋，但那也是，有点超出了我的能力范围。

Anna: Okay.

Luke: But I know the rules.

安娜：好的。 卢克：但我知道规则。

So you've got your castles, I call them castles, on the corners.

所以你有你的城堡，我称之为城堡，在角落里。

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

安娜：是的。 是的。

Are they, they're supposed to be, 'cause I call them castles too.

它们是吗，它们应该是，因为我也称它们为城堡。

But aren't they like rooks?

但他们不就跟菜鸟一样吗？

Are they rooks?

他们是菜鸟吗？

Luke: Rooks.

Rooks.

Yeah.

卢克：鲁克斯。 乌鸦。

是的。

That's right.

They should be called rooks, I think.

这是正确的。

我认为他们应该被称为车。

And they go horizontally and vertically.

它们水平和垂直移动。

Anna: Uh-huh.

安娜：嗯嗯。

Luke: Then you've got...

Anna: So straight lines.

卢克：那你就……

安娜：那么直线。

I just think about they go in straight lines.

我只是想他们走直线。

Luke: Straight lines.

Exactly.

卢克：直线。

确切地。

Left, right up, down.

左、右、上、下。

Anna: But then I guess a diagonal is a straight,

安娜：但是我猜对角线是直的，

Luke: Ehh.

Anna: It's straight, it doesn't deviate.

卢克：呃。 安娜：它是直的，不会偏离。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

True.

真的。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: It's not curved, is it, diagonal?

安娜：是的。 卢克：它不是弯曲的，是对角线吗？

Anna: No.

Luke: Anyway.

Anna: Straight line.

安娜：没有。

卢克：无论如何。

安娜：直线。

Luke: Up, down, left, right.

卢克：上、下、左、右。

These are the rooks.

这些是车。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Then, you've got the knights.

安娜：是的。

卢克：那么，你就有了骑士。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

安娜：嗯嗯。

Luke: Or horses.

Anna: The little horseys.

卢克：或者马。 安娜：小马们。

Luke: Yeah, little horses.

卢克：是啊，小马们。

And they do an interesting L shape, which is quite interesting.

而且他们做了一个有趣的L形，相当有趣。

They can go forward three and right one or forward three and left one.

他们可以前三右一，也可以前三左一。

Anna: Is it forward three?

安娜：是前锋三号吗？

Yeah, it is forward three.

是的，是前锋三号位。

Luke: It's like, yeah.

Anna: From the one they're on, then two forward from there, right?

卢克：就像，是的。 安娜：从他们所在的那一个开始，然后再从那里向前走两个，对吗？

Luke: Yeah.

They can kind of go in any direction in that pattern, like,

卢克：是的。 他们可以按照这种模式向任何方向前进，就像，

you know, or they can go right.

你知道，或者他们可以向右走。

And then, oh, I just can't!

然后，哦，我就是做不到！

L shapes.

L 形。

Anna: Yeah.

L shape.

安娜：是的。 L 形。

So it's actually two from the square they're on.

所以实际上距离他们所在的广场有两个。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They can only move two more squares forward.

卢克：是的。 安娜：他们只能再向前移动两个格子。

Luke: Oh, is it two?

卢克：哦，是两个吗？

Anna: Yeah.

I don't think it's three.

安娜：是的。 我不认为是三个。

Luke: It's not three.

Anna: Because if you are starting your horse, or your knight...

卢克：不是三个。 安娜：因为如果你要启动你的马，或者你的骑士……

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: You can jump over.

卢克：是的。 安娜：你可以跳过去。

It's the only player that can jump.

这是唯一可以跳跃的玩家。

Luke: Of course it's two.

卢克：当然是两个。

Yeah.

Anna: So it jumps over the pawn.

是的。 安娜：所以它跳过了棋子。

We'll come back to those, jump over the pawn and then move across.

我们会回到这些，跳过棋子，然后移动过去。

Luke: Right.

Anna: So it's only two forward and one across.

卢克：对。 安娜：所以只有两个向前，一个横向。

Luke: Yeah.

Okay.

卢克：是的。 好的。

And, you know, in any variation of that, that pattern basically, you know?

而且，你知道，在任何变化中，基本上都是这种模式，你知道吗？

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Luke: Which is interesting.

安娜：嗯嗯。

嗯嗯。

卢克：这很有趣。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。 卢克：然后就是主教了。

Luke: And then you've got the bishops.

Anna: Oh yes, they're wonky lines.

安娜：哦，是的，这些台词很奇怪。

Luke: They go in diagonal...

卢克：它们是对角线的……

Anna: Not wonky lines!

Luke: Diagonal lines that you got one on the white squares,

安娜：不是古怪的线！

卢克：对角线，一根在白色方块上，

one on the black squares.

一根在黑色方块上。

And they can command the diagonal lines, as it were.

可以说，他们可以控制对角线。

Anna: Axis.

安娜：轴。

Luke: Axes.

卢克：斧头。

Yeah.

And then you've got the queen and the king.

是的。

然后就是女王和国王。

The queen is the boss of the game.

女王是游戏的老板。

Anna: Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

安娜：是啊，太棒了，不是吗？

Luke: Brilliant.

Yeah.

卢克：太棒了。

是的。

Anna: She's so strong as a player.

安娜：她作为一名选手非常强大。

But the king...

但是国王……

Luke: Fully the strongest player on the board.

卢克：完全是棋盘上最强的玩家。

But the king is bloody useless in terms of being able to do anything.

但就能够做任何事情而言，国王毫无用处。

All the king does is run away, doesn't he?

国王所做的一切就是逃跑，不是吗？

He will hide.

他会躲起来。

Anna: Yeah.

Behind all the other players.

安娜：是的。 落后于所有其他玩家。

Luke: He can take pieces, but it's rare.

卢克：他可以吃掉棋子，但这种情况很少见。

But the queen is just amazing.

但女王真是太棒了。

She can go straight lines, diagonal lines.

她可以走直线，也可以走对角线。

Anna: She can't do a horse move though.

安娜：不过她不会骑马。

Luke: She can't do a horse...

卢克：她不会马……

Anna: Or a knight move, a knight move.

安娜：或者骑士动作，骑士动作。

Luke: Correct.

卢克：正确。

She can't do that.

她不能那样做。

She can't jump like like that.

她不能这么跳。

Yeah.

And, and the king can only can move in any direction, but only one square at a time.

是的。

并且，国王只能向任意方向移动，但一次只能移动一格。

Anna: Yeah.

Which is exactly the same as...

安娜：是的。 这与…… 哦不，棋子

oh no, pawns.

完全相同 。

They can only move one square, but they...

他们只能移动一个方格，但是他们...

Luke: Two squares their first move.

卢克：他们的第一步移动了两个方格。

They can go two.

他们可以去两个。

Anna: That's right.

安娜：没错。

Their first steps.

他们的第一步。

But they can't move backwards.

但他们不能后退。

They can only move forwards.

他们只能往前走。

Luke: They take other pieces by going diagonally.

卢克：他们沿对角线走其他棋子。

Anna: Diagonally.

安娜：对角线。

That's right.

这是正确的。

Luke: But when they get to the end...

卢克：但是当他们走到最后时...

Anna: You can swap them for any player that's been taken off the board.

安娜：你可以用他们来交换任何被移出棋盘的玩家。

Luke: Yeah, you can.

卢克：是的，你可以。

So if you've lost your queen, but one little pawn has just like made

所以，如果你失去了你的皇后，但一个小棋子却以

it all the way to the end, somehow.

某种方式一路走到了最后。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: All the others have like, wait a minute.

安娜：是的。

卢克：其他人都喜欢，等一下。

Where's that pawn gone?

那棋子去哪儿了？

Oh, he's got to the end.

哦，他已经走到最后了。

Anna: Oh no!

Luke: And then you could replace that one with a queen and

安娜：哦不！

卢克：然后你可以用女王代替那个，

suddenly, pow I'm back, bitches!

突然之间，我回来了，母狗们！

Anna: You can have two queens on the board at any one time as well, right?

安娜：棋盘上可以同时有两位皇后，对吧？

Luke: Can you?

Anna: So if you, I think if you already have your queen and then you

卢克：可以吗？

安娜：所以如果你，我想如果你已经有了你的女王，然后你

get a pawn to the other end maybe.

可能会在另一端得到一个棋子。

This is a bad rule that I've been playing.

这是我一直在遵循的一个糟糕的规则。

Luke: People listening do know more about chess than us.

卢克：听的人确实比我们更了解国际象棋。

This is just Luke and Anna talk about a game they don't really understand.

这只是卢克和安娜谈论一个他们并不真正理解的游戏。

Anna: Well, I taught myself chess as a young child from a book that

安娜：嗯，我小时候是通过一本很老的书自学国际象棋的

was also pretty old, and I wasn't very good at reading at the time.

，当时我不太擅长读书。

So, you know, I'm probably making some rules up as I go.

所以，你知道，我可能会一边做一边制定一些规则。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: But yeah, chess is one of those games that if you understand it,

安娜：但是，是的，国际象棋是一种游戏，如果你理解它，

and if you've got the kind of mind that can remember strategies and you

如果你有那种能够记住策略的头脑，并且你

can think several moves ahead, then it could be over really quickly.

可以提前思考几个步骤，那么它可能很快就会结束。

And people play speed chess, don't they?

人们都下快速棋，不是吗？

Where they're just like, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.

他们就像，战俘，战俘，战俘，战俘，战俘。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: They're hitting the clock and moving their piece and it's just done.

卢克：是的。 安娜：他们正在按时移动他们的作品，然后就完成了。

Whereas when I play chess, I often get to the point where there's just

然而，当我下棋时，我经常会遇到这样的情况：

two pieces left a player, a piece per player, and you're just constantly

一个玩家只剩下两个棋子，每个玩家一个棋子，而你只是不断地

moving around the board trying to, and you just can't end the game

在棋盘上移动，直到你完成游戏

until you just go, d'you know what?

为止。走吧，你知道吗？

Luke: Stalemate.

Anna: I give up, I give up.

卢克：僵局。 安娜：我放弃，我放弃。

Luke: Yeah.

Where there's just two pieces chasing each other around the board.

卢克：是的。

棋盘上只有两颗棋子互相追逐。

It's completely stupid.

这完全是愚蠢的。

But yeah, I mean it's a fascinating game though 'cause of the level of intelligence

但是，是的，我的意思是，这是一款令人着迷的游戏，因为

that can be applied to it and these chess grandmasters are absolutely amazing.

可以应用到它的智力水平，而这些国际象棋大师绝对是令人惊叹的。

Anna: Yeah, so there's two that I've got in the notes, which is Magnus Carlson.

安娜：是的，我的笔记中有两个人，那就是马格努斯·卡尔森。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And Beth Harmon.

卢克：是的。

安娜：还有贝丝·哈蒙。

Now, there was a really interesting drama that was made about Beth Harmon.

现在，有一部关于贝丝·哈蒙的非常有趣的戏剧。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: And that was called The Queen's Gambit.

卢克：是的。 安娜：这就是所谓的“皇后策略”。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Which is really, even if you are not into chess, if you are interested in

卢克：是的。 安娜：确实，即使你不喜欢国际象棋，如果你对

chess, it was still a really great drama.

国际象棋感兴趣，那仍然是一部非常棒的戏剧。

That I recommend to viewers, listeners.

我向观众、听众推荐。

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Anna: Did you watch it?

卢克：是的。 是啊是啊。

安娜：你看过吗？

Luke: Yeah, I did watch it.

卢克：是的，我确实看过。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: Do you know what gambit means?

安娜：你知道开局是什么意思吗？

Luke: Isn't a gambit a sort of a strategy, like a kind of a move that you would

卢克：开局不是一种策略，就像你会

do, a kind of specific strategic move?

采取的一种行动，一种具体的战略行动吗？

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

It's like a clever move or a clever opening move that gives you an advantage,

这就像一个聪明的举动或一个聪明的开局举动给你带来了优势，

but it's not necessarily seen or deemed to be an advantageous move.

但它不一定被看到或被认为是一个有利的举动。

So like giving up your queen or giving up a valuable piece going, oh, you

就像放弃你的皇后或放弃一件有价值的棋子一样，哦，你

just took my queen, how silly of me.

刚刚拿走了我的皇后，我真傻。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: But really you've got something in mind that you're like,

卢克：嗯嗯。 安娜：但实际上你心里已经有了一些想法，

their next move, checkmate, pow!

他们的下一步行动，将死，战俘！

I tricked you.

我骗了你。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: So, yeah.

安娜：所以，是的。

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of obviously kind of mental strategy involved in it too, in

卢克：是的。 是的，其中也涉及很多明显的心理策略，就像

the sense of like coming into a game of chess, sitting in front of your opponent.

参加一场国际象棋比赛，坐在对手面前一样。

Your opponent will, a bit like in a game of poker or something.

你的对手会的，有点像扑克游戏之类的。

Anna: Poker face.

Luke: Your opponent will...yeah, use poker face or you, you maybe use your opponent's

安娜：扑克脸。

卢克：你的对手会……是的，用扑克脸或者你，你可能会用对手对你的

first impressions of you against them.

第一印象来对抗他们。

So every now and then YouTube will suggest these chess videos to me.

所以YouTube时不时就会向我推荐这些国际象棋视频。

Anna: Oh, right.

Luke: And it's, there's a girl, I can't remember her name now, unfortunately,

安娜：哦，对了。 卢克：有一个女孩，不幸的是我现在不记得她的名字了，

but she is sort of in her twenties.

但她大约二十多岁。

I think both her parents were chess grandmasters.

我认为她的父母都是国际象棋大师。

Anna: Right.

Luke: And so she's fairly like, so she goes to these chess games in the park,

安娜：对。 卢克：所以她很喜欢，所以她去公园里参加这些国际象棋比赛，

you know, in like New York or other cities in the States where there are

你知道，在纽约或美国的其他城市，那里

these guys who spend their whole day there playing chess with each other.

的人们整天都在那里互相下棋。

And they do a lot of like trash talking.

他们经常说垃圾话。

While they're playing the game, these guys are trash talking and sort

当他们玩游戏时，这些家伙会说垃圾话，

of, you know, bantering and sort of talking up their game quite a lot.

你知道，他们经常开玩笑，并且经常谈论他们的游戏。

And this girl comes in, she doesn't look like she's gonna be a chess grandmaster.

这个女孩进来了，她看起来不像会成为国际象棋大师。

And so these guys are super confident and they totally underestimate her

所以这些人非常自信，他们完全低估了她

and they trash talk her and stuff.

，他们对她说垃圾话之类的。

And she like gives quite a good trash talk back.

她还喜欢回嘴一些垃圾话。

It's really interesting to watch.

看起来真的很有趣。

I don't really, I don't understand what's going on on the board, you can

我真的不明白，我不明白棋盘上发生了什么，你

see the board on the screen as well.

也可以在屏幕上看到棋盘。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: I don't understand it.

安娜：嗯嗯。

卢克：我不明白。

I can't work out the moves, but it's interesting just to see the behaviour

我无法计算出动作，但是看到

of these opponents of hers change where they're like giving it...

她的对手的行为发生变化就很有趣，他们就像给予它一样......

Anna: The realisation.

安娜：认识。

Luke: Yeah, they're giving it all this really, really overconfident talk.

卢克：是的，他们的言论真的非常非常过于自信。

And then after about five or six moves, they changed totally.

然后大约五六步之后，他们就完全变了。

And they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be difficult.

他们就像，哦，哦，哦，哦，哦，这会，这会很困难。

Oh, this is gonna be difficult.

哦，这会很困难。

Oh, you don't move on me now.

哦，你现在别对我动了。

You know, all this kind of thing.

你知道，所有这些事情。

And it's just really funny to see the interaction and to see how they deal with

看到他们的互动以及他们如何处理

the fact that actually she's really good.

她实际上非常好的事实真的很有趣。

And often it's only within about four or five moves that they can work out that

通常，只有在大约四到五步之内，他们才能弄清楚

she's really, she really knows what she's doing and they work it out just when

她真的，她真的知道自己在做什么，而他们就 在几步之内

the within a few moves and you think, my God, the way these guys are playing,

就解决了 ，你会想，天啊，这些家伙玩的方式 ，

they're just like thinking so far ahead.

他们就像是想得太远了。

You know all the possibilities.

你知道所有的可能性。

It is like kind of like you have to have a very mathematical mind in a way

在某种程度上，这就像你必须有一个非常数学的头脑

to be able to do all these different algorithms and calculations all instantly.

能够立即完成所有这些不同的算法和计算。

Amazing.

Yeah.

惊人的。

是的。

Anna: So it's like being, what's the term?

安娜：所以这就像是“存在”，这个词是什么？

Like being a card shark.

就像是一个骗子。

If someone or, there's a term, or like when people come in to play pool and

如果有人，或者，有一个术语，或者就像人们进来打台球，

they put some money down and say...

他们存了一些钱，然后说……

Luke: Hustler.

卢克：骗子。

Anna: A hustler.

That's it.

安娜：一个骗子。

就是这样。

You can hustle people and be like, oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm doing,

你可以催促别人，然后说，哦，是的，我真的不知道自己在做什么，

but let's put a hundred pounds on it.

但让我们投入一百英镑吧。

A hundred pounds?

一百磅？

Yeah, sure.

好，当然。

And then you're like, I'm amazing.

然后你就会说，我太棒了。

I'm gonna win.

我会赢。

Luke: Yeah.

Or you lose your first game on purpose and you're like, you

卢克：是的。 或者你故意输掉第一场比赛，然后你会想，你

know what, I wanna try again.

知道吗，我想再试一次。

You know, I'm enjoying this.

你知道，我很享受这个。

Let's raise the stakes.

让我们提高赌注。

Let's do it for $500 this time.

这次我们就花 500 美元来做吧。

And they're like, sure, okay.

他们就像，当然，好吧。

If you really want to, you know, maybe I can teach you a thing or two.

如果你真的想，你知道，也许我可以教你一两件事。

And then they really raise their game and suddenly they've made

然后他们真的提高了自己的水平，突然间他们

loads of money from those people.

从这些人身上赚了很多钱。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: Pow!

Talking about money, how much do you think the most expensive

安娜：噗！ 说到钱，你认为

chessboard in the world is?

世界上最贵的棋盘多少钱？

'Cause you can get all sorts of different, like gorgeous chess

因为你可以得到各种各样不同的东西，比如华丽的棋盘

boards, but what's the most expensive?

，但什么是最贵的呢？

Luke: The most expensive chess board in the world?

卢克：世界上最贵的棋盘？

Anna: In dollars, let's do it in dollars.

安娜：用美元，我们就用美元吧。

Luke: I dunno.

卢克：我不知道。

I mean, we talked about the most expensive Monopoly board being...

我的意思是，我们讨论过最昂贵的大富翁棋盘是……

Anna: Which was crazy.

安娜：这太疯狂了。

Luke: $2 million.

卢克：200万美元。

I think the chess board's gonna be more, I'd say it's gonna be $5 million.

我认为棋盘会更多，我想说会是 500 万美元。

All made of pure diamond,

全部由纯钻石制成，

Anna: You can double that or just about double it.

安娜：你可以将其加倍或几乎加倍。

$9.8 million is the most expensive.

最贵的是 980 万美元。

It's a Jewel Royale chessboard.

这是一个宝石皇家棋盘。

And the pieces are obviously quite heavy.

而且这些碎片显然相当重。

They're made of pure gold.

它们是由纯金制成的。

So they're not gold plated.

所以它们不是镀金的。

Luke: Wow.

Anna: They made a pure gold and encrusted with diamonds and other precious gems.

卢克：哇。 安娜：他们制作了纯金，上面镶嵌着钻石和其他珍贵的宝石。

Luke: Jesus!

路加：耶稣啊！

Anna: And it all, it would probably be like too magnificent to play with.

安娜：这一切，可能太华丽了，无法玩弄。

You just look at it, keep it in a locked cabinet.

你只要看看它，就把它放在锁着的柜子里。

Luke: It does raise the question, why buy that if you're not even gonna, like,

卢克：这确实提出了一个问题，如果你甚至不想，为什么要买它，就像，

it's an object that's designed to be played and you're just gonna leave it.

它是一个被设计用来玩的物体，而你只是要离开它。

Anna: Well, it'd be a statement, wouldn't it?

安娜：嗯，这是一个声明，不是吗？

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: Don't touch the chessboard.

安娜：别碰棋盘。

Very good.

I do like to have a nice chessboard.

非常好。

我确实喜欢有一个漂亮的棋盘。

I have bought chessboards as gifts for people.

我买了棋盘作为礼物送给人们。

I think it is something nice to have in the house.

我觉得家里有这样的东西真是太好了。

Just, you know, like having a globe.

就像拥有一个地球仪一样。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: In the house, which, you know, opens up to reveal the drink.

卢克：是的。 安娜：在房子里，你知道，打开房子就能看到饮料。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: I don't drink very much anymore, but I used to have one of those.

卢克：是的。

安娜：我已经不怎么喝酒了，但我曾经喝过一种。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Having a nice chessboard.

卢克：是的。 安娜：有一个漂亮的棋盘。

I think they, these are just nice pieces of, not furniture, but

我认为这些只是漂亮的东西，不是家具，而是

things to have around the house.

房子周围的东西。

Luke: Absolutely.

卢克：当然。 是的。

Yeah.

Chessboards, they can be very beautiful things indeed.

棋盘，它们确实可以是非常美丽的东西。

That's true.

这是真的。

And there's something very satisfying about the objects if

如果这些物品 制作精良，

they're very nicely made, yeah.

就会让人非常满意 ，是的。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。 当然，我们在播客上讨论过的另一个经典是《大富翁》。

And another classic, of course, which we talked about on your podcast is Monopoly.

Now, I'm not gonna go deep into this, but this is the kind of game that can

现在，我不打算深入讨论这个问题，但这是一种

really bring families together and teach them some really good lessons, but also

真正可以让家庭团结在一起并教给他们一些非常好的教训的游戏，但也

has a reputation for tearing families apart and causing horrendous arguments.

因撕裂家庭并引起可怕的争吵而闻名。

But there is a really interesting fact about Monopoly that we didn't

但是，关于大富翁，有一个非常有趣的事实，我们没有

cover in your podcast, so it might be good to touch on now.

在您的播客中介绍，所以现在讨论一下可能会更好。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

卢克：嗯嗯。

Anna: In World War II, the Nazis let allied prisoners, prisoners

安娜：在第二次世界大战中，纳粹让盟军囚犯、战俘

of war, play board games.

玩棋盘游戏。

Luke: That's nice of them.

卢克：他们真是太好了。

Anna: Yeah, it's very nice of them.

安娜：是的，他们非常好。

Luke: How nice of them.

卢克：他们真好。

Anna: So the British government was even allowed to send some of these games

安娜：所以英国政府甚至被允许发送其中一些游戏

to the soldiers who were incarcerated.

致被监禁的士兵。

So, the government kind of worked with the game producers.

因此，政府与游戏制作人进行了合作。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To hide items and like real money within the game.

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：在游戏中隐藏物品和喜欢真钱。

So in the stash of paper money, they'd hide real bills.

因此，在纸币的藏匿处，他们会隐藏真实的钞票。

Luke: Okay.

卢克：好的。

Anna: And then rather than the kind of the tokens, the pieces that you'd

安娜：然后，他们给了他们的不是那种代币、那些你可以

play with, they gave them like little things that they could use to escape,

玩的棋子，而是他们可以用来逃跑的小东西，

like, lock picks and things like that.

比如开锁器之类的东西。

Luke: Oh my gosh.

卢克：天啊。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

And files so they could like file their way out of their chains or whatever,

还有锉刀，这样他们就可以从锁链中挣脱出来，

Luke: Sort of like hidden within the within the box or

卢克：有点像隐藏在盒子里或

within the board or something.

木板之类的东西里。

Or even the little items themselves could be used to like file away

或者甚至这些小物品本身也可以用来归档

the bars of a jail or something.

监狱的栅栏之类的东西。

Anna: It says here, oh compasses.

安娜：这里写着，哦，圆规。

Luke: Wow.

卢克：哇。

And they actually used them to escape.

他们实际上利用它们来逃跑。

That's, yeah, incredible.

是的，这太不可思议了。

Anna: Okay, so I'm gonna move on quickly 'cause I know that

安娜：好的，我要尽快继续，因为我知道

you are pressed for time.

你时间紧迫。

I love that expression.

我喜欢这个表情。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: To be pressed for time.

卢克：嗯嗯。 安娜：时间紧迫。

You are running short on it.

你的钱已经不够了。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So, some of the more unusual games that I would still call classics because

卢克：是的。 安娜：所以，一些比较不寻常的游戏我仍然会称之为经典，因为

they were a big part of my childhood.

它们是我童年的重要组成部分。

The first is Kerplunk.

第一个是克普朗克。

Did you ever play Kerplunk?

你玩过 Kerplunk 吗？

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Yeah.

We had a Kerplunk game at my grandma's house.

是的。 我们在我奶奶家玩了一场 Kerplunk 游戏。

Anna: Yeah, and this is quite unusual.

安娜：是的，这很不寻常。

It's not a typical board game, although it is listed as a board game.

尽管它被列为棋盘游戏，但它不是典型的棋盘游戏。

It's like a plastic tube with, and you shove loads of plastic

它就像一个塑料管，你可以推入大量的塑料

straws to block the tube.

吸管来堵住管子。

And then...

然后...

Luke: Yeah.

Lots of, yeah...

卢克：是的。 很多，是的...

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: Loads of plastic needles kind of thing stuck inside

安娜：是的。 卢克：大量塑料针之类的东西卡在

little holes in the tube.

管子的小孔里。

Anna: Yeah.

Yeah.

Very long ones.

安娜：是的。 是的。

很长的。

And they're not sharp, are they?

而且它们并不锋利，不是吗？

They're child safe.

它们对儿童安全。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 安娜：然后你，他们堵住了通往这个管子底部的路，然后

Anna: And then you, and they block the way to the bottom of this like tube, and

then you pour loads of marbles in the top.

你在顶部倒了很多弹珠。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: And then the idea is to remove these kind of straws or needles

安娜：然后我们的想法是 在不移动任何弹珠的情况下

without dislodging any of the marbles.

移除这些吸管或针头 。

And at some point you remove a needle and some marbles come crashing down.

当你拔掉一根针时，一些弹珠就会掉落下来。

But that's not the end of the game.

但这还不是游戏的结束。

It's only the end when all the marbles have fallen.

当所有的弹珠都落下时，这才算是结束。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: So you have to get to the end without having too many marbles.

卢克：是的。 安娜：所以你必须在没有太多弹珠的情况下到达终点。

Luke: If you're the one who lets the last marble fall, you lose.

卢克：如果你让最后一颗弹珠落下，你就输了。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: So it's kind of along the lines of like the Jenga, you

是的。 安娜：是的。

卢克：所以这有点像叠叠乐，你

know, game that everyone knows.

知道，每个人都知道的游戏。

Jenga.

And also there's another one where you have these sticks with different colours

叠叠乐。

还有另一种情况，你有不同颜色的棍子

and you let the sticks all fall in a pile and then you have to pick up the sticks

，你让这些棍子全部落在一堆，然后你必须捡起棍子，

without letting the other sticks move.

而不让其他棍子移动。

Anna: Oh, I haven't played that one.

安娜：哦，我没玩过那个。

Luke: Yeah, they play it in France quite a lot.

卢克：是的，他们在法国经常玩。

So you get a bunch of these sticks.

所以你会得到一堆这样的棍子。

They've got different colours on them that represent different points.

它们有不同的颜色，代表不同的点。

Anna: Right.

Luke: Some of them are more valuable than others, and you have to very

安娜：对。 卢克：其中一些比其他的更有价值，你必须非常

carefully take the sticks away from the pile without letting the others move.

小心地将木棍从堆中取出，不要让其他木棍移动。

And it's really interesting.

这真的很有趣。

You can use other sticks to help you prise them off.

您可以使用其他棍子来帮助您撬开它们。

Anna: Ahh.

Luke: They've got pointed ends, so you can press your finger down on the end and

安娜：啊。 卢克：它们有尖头，所以你可以用手指按下末端，

it makes the stick lift off the table.

它就会使棍子离开桌子。

But it's not really a pub game because if you've had a couple of drinks, then you're

但这并不是真正的酒吧游戏，因为如果你喝了几杯，那么你就会

like, oh, let's play the stick game.

想，哦，我们来玩棍子游戏吧。

And then, you know, you've got to be very careful when you play it.

然后，你知道，玩的时候必须非常小心。

Anna: Is it called Pick Up Sticks?

安娜：它叫拾取棒吗？

Luke: I can't remember.

Maybe, maybe, maybe that's the UK version.

卢克：我不记得了。

也许，也许，也许那是英国版本。

I dunno, I can't remember what they call it in France now.

我不知道，我现在不记得在法国他们叫什么了。

Anna: Well, the being very careful reminds me of one of my most fun games

安娜：嗯，非常小心让我想起了我最有趣的游戏之一

of my childhood is the game of Operation.

我童年的游戏就是《行动》。

Luke: Oh, God.

卢克：噢，上帝。

Can't stand it.

受不了了

Anna: What, do you get nervous?

安娜：怎么，你紧张吗？

Luke: Just can't stand Operation.

卢克：就是无法忍受手术。

Can't do it.

Anna: Why?

做不到。

安娜：为什么？

Luke: It's just horrible.

卢克：这太可怕了。

Like, I don't know.

就像，我不知道。

Again, maybe I had a bad experience of playing it with other kids when I

再说一次，也许我小时候和其他孩子一起玩的时候有过一次糟糕的经历，

was young and it was just, you know, one of those times when you're at

那只是，你知道，当你在

someone's house and it was horrible.

某人家里的时候，那真是太可怕了。

But nah, nah, no.

但是不，不，不。

Anna: One very fun game that I'm sure you would like is Hungry Hippos.

安娜：我相信你会喜欢的一款非常有趣的游戏是《饥饿的河马》。

Luke: Hungry Hippos.

卢克：饥饿的河马。

Yeah.

是的。

It's fun to an extent.

在某种程度上这很有趣。

Anna: Well, as much as bashing on a lever.

安娜：嗯，就像敲击杠杆一样。

Luke: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

卢克：砰，砰，砰，砰，砰，砰，砰。

Yeah.

Bang, bang, bang.

是的。 砰砰砰。

Get the hippos to eat all of the red balls.

让河马吃掉所有的红球。

If they get yellow balls, that's even better.

如果他们得到黄球，那就更好了。

Right?

Because there's red balls and a couple of yellow balls in there

正确的？

因为里面还有红球和几个黄球

too, which are worth more points.

，它们更值得得分。

And dang dang dang dang dang dang dang, that's good for, for me now 10 minutes

而dang dang dang dang dang dang dang，这对我来说是有好处的，现在我

maximum is all I can ta ta ta ta.

最多10分钟就是我所能的。

And then I'm like, ah, you know what, let's, can we just,

然后我想，啊，你知道吗，我们可以，

can we play Monopoly instead?

我们可以玩大富翁吗？

Anna: Yeah, my sons love to play it over and over and over again.

安娜：是的，我的儿子们喜欢一遍又一遍地玩它。

But then they also like stashing.

但他们也喜欢藏起来。

So at one point, my two year old would just start taking the marbles while

所以有一次，当 我和我四岁的孩子玩耍

I'm playing with my four year old and putting them in different places.

时，我两岁的孩子会开始拿弹珠 ，并将它们放在不同的地方。

Like one in the kitchen.

就像厨房里的一样。

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: One inside the crocodile's mouth.

卢克：是的。 安娜：一根在鳄鱼嘴里。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 安娜：一个在柜子里。

Anna: One in the cupboard.

And I'm just like, where have all the marbles gone?

我就想，所有的弹珠都去哪儿了？

What's happened?

发生了什么事？

Luke: Another reason why the game makes me uncomfortable.

Luke：游戏让我不舒服的另一个原因。

Just it's quite a messy game.

只是这是一个相当混乱的游戏。

It's just, uh...

只是，呃...

Anna: Mm-hmm.

安娜：嗯嗯。

Luke: No, it makes me a bit uncomfortable.

卢克：不，这让我有点不舒服。

Uncomfortable and stressed.

不舒服并且有压力。

A bit like Operation.

有点像操作。

Anna: Yes.

Well, one very messy game that you might not have heard of is Monster Mash.

安娜：是的。

嗯，你可能没有听说过一款非常混乱的游戏，那就是《怪物大乱斗》。

Luke: No, don't know it, no.

卢克：不，不知道，不。

Anna: So I've never been able to find this, but we played it as kids, and it's

安娜：所以我一直没能找到这个，但我们小时候玩过，基本上就是

basically you each have a big lump of Play-Doh with a monster's head stuck

你们每个人都有一大块培乐多，

in the top, and that's your piece.

上面插着一个怪物的头，这就是你们的作品。

And you just go round a very basic board when you are rolling the dice and

当你掷骰子时，你只需绕一个非常基本的棋盘，

when you land on someone, you just mash your monster on top of their monster

当你落在某人身上时，你只需将你的怪物压在他们的怪物之上

and kind of just take over them, like the Body Snatchers and your monster

，然后接管他们，就像身体掠夺者一样，你的怪物

becomes twice as big and that person is out because you've just mashed

会变成两倍很大，那个人就出局了，因为你刚刚把

them, until you become this humongous, four piece, four-bodied monster having

他们捣碎了，直到你变成这个巨大的、四块、四体的怪物，捣碎了

mashed the other players on the board.

棋盘上的其他玩家。

Luke: Okay.

卢克：好的。

Yeah.

Again, no, not for me because like Play-Doh, of all the kids' toys,

是的。 再说一次，不，不适合我，因为就像培乐多 (Play-Doh) 一样，在所有儿童玩具中，

Play-Doh is not one of my, I can't, no.

培乐多 (Play-Doh) 不是我的，我不能，不。

Anna: Really?

Luke: Nah, no.

安娜：真的吗？ 卢克：不，不。

Anna: Wow.

Luke: It's too messy.

安娜：哇。

卢克：太乱了。

And it makes me feel uncomfortable.

这让我感觉不舒服。

Anna: It is messy.

安娜：很乱。

It is messy.

很乱。

I love Play-Doh.

我喜欢培乐多。

I think the kids have a really great time with Play-Doh.

我认为孩子们在培乐多 (Play-Doh) 中度过了一段非常愉快的时光。

It keeps them quiet.

这让他们保持安静。

So we always take Play-Doh in the backpack when we're at

因此，当我们去

restaurants or going out somewhere.

餐馆或外出时，我们总是把培乐多放在背包里。

Luke: Yeah.

Yeah.

卢克：是的。 是的。

Anna: And they just play for hours with the Play-Doh.

安娜：他们只是玩培乐多几个小时。

My sister-in-law said, "I hate Play-Doh".

我嫂子说：“我讨厌培乐多”。

Just like you.

就像你一样。

It's too messy, too messy.

太乱了，太乱了。

But then asked, what would your children like as a present for Christmas?

但又问，你的孩子想要什么圣诞礼物？

And I said, they love Play-Doh.

我说，他们喜欢培乐多。

How about like a Play-Doh Set?

像培乐多套装怎么样？

Play-Doh do all kinds of sets.

Play-Doh 可以制作各种套装。

So why not maybe like the dentist set where the Play-Doh are the teeth

那么，为什么不像牙医那样，用培乐多（Play-Doh）作为牙齿

and they can practise dental hygiene.

，他们可以练习牙齿卫生。

Oral hygiene.

口腔卫生。

Luke: Mm-hmm.

Anna: Or maybe the pizza making set.

卢克：嗯嗯。

安娜：或者也许是披萨制作套装。

She's like, "Leave it with me.

她就像是，“把它留给我。

I'll sort it out.

我会解决的。

I don't like play by myself.

我不喜欢自己玩。

It's too messy, but leave it with me."

它太乱了，但把它留给我吧。”

Guess what she got?

猜猜她得到了什么？

Luke: The messiest Play-Doh set she could find.

卢克：她能找到的最乱的培乐多套装。

Anna: It's the hoover Play-Doh set where you have a sprinkler that makes

安娜：这是胡佛培乐多套装，里面有一个洒水器，可以让很小

tiny, teeny weeny, little teeny pieces of Play-Doh and spreads it all over so

的、很小的、很小的东西变得很小。一小块培乐多 (Play-Doh)，然后将其铺满，这样

that then you can then hoover it up.

你就可以用吸尘器吸住它了。

But the hoover is, you know, there's no way to take it apart.

但吸尘器是，你知道，没有办法把它拆开。

And so it's just full of Play-Doh.

所以它就装满了培乐多 (Play-Doh)。

So if you want to save any of the Play-Doh and to work again,

所以如果你想要保存任何 Play-Doh 并再次工作，

you have to pick it all out.

你必须将其全部挑选出来。

It's horrific.

这太可怕了。

Luke: Oh, stop.

卢克：哦，停下来。 这听起来像是我最糟糕的噩梦。

It sounds like my worst nightmare.

Like a game that's designed to turn Play-Doh into Play-Doh dust.

就像一个旨在将 Play-Doh 变成 Play 的游戏-Doh 灰尘。

Uh oh.

呃哦。

Oh, no, no.

哦，不，不

Can't.

。不能。

Can't do it.

Anna: Yeah.

做不到。

安娜：是的。

Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it to a close 'cause I know

好吧，所以我要，我要结束它，因为我知道

you are, you've got no more time.

你是，你已经没有时间了。

Oh yeah.

But, one of the more recent players in the gaming market is one

哦，是的。 但是，游戏市场上最新的玩家之一

that's caused a lot of hilarity.

引起了很多欢笑。

And it's Cards against Humanity.

它是反人类牌。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 不是儿童游戏。

Not a kid's game.

So going from Play-Doh and Hungry Hippos and Operation, which are absolutely

所以去吧从培乐多（Play-Doh）、饥饿河马（Hungry Hippos）和行动（Operation）这些绝对是

children's games to Cards Against Humanity, which is definitely one to play

儿童游戏，到卡牌反人类（Cards Against Humanity），这绝对是

when the kids are in bed fast asleep.

孩子们在床上熟睡时玩的游戏。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

安娜：嗯嗯。

是的。 卢克：是的。

Anna: Yeah.

It is a set of cards that are just a lot of them.

安娜：是的。 这是一套由很多卡片组成的卡片。

It's just filth, right?

这只是污秽，对吧？

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: It's the kind of thing that will shock and yeah, just...

卢克：是的。 安娜：这是一种令人震惊的事情，是的，只是……

Luke: Disgust.

卢克：恶心。

Anna: Yeah.

安娜：是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Luke: It's the most shocking and disgusting and offensive

卢克：这是 他们能想到的

stuff that they could think of.

最令人震惊、最恶心、最无礼的 事情。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: That they put into the game.

安娜：是的。 卢克：他们把它放进了游戏里。

Yeah.

是的。

Anna: Yeah, yeah.

安娜：是啊，是啊。

I've had a few awkward evenings with people, like neighbours that we're just

我和一些人一起度过了几个尴尬的夜晚，比如我们只是

trying to get to know, and they're like, should we play Cards Against Humanity?

想了解的邻居，他们会问，我们应该玩反人类牌吗？

Yeah, sure.

好，当然。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。

Anna: Awkward.

安娜：尴尬。

Very awkward.

Or grandma, um, I saw this new game, apparently it's quite popular.

非常尴尬。

还是奶奶，嗯，我看到了这个新游戏，显然很受欢迎。

Could we play?

我们可以玩吗？

Luke: It's got a very high rating on Amazon.

卢克：它在亚马逊上的评价非常高。

Anna: Okay, grandma.

安娜：好的，奶奶。

What, what does this word mean?

啥，这个词是什么意思？

Maybe don't Google that, grandma.

也许不要用谷歌搜索这个，奶奶。

Luke: So how does Cards Against Humanity work again?

卢克： 那么反人类牌又是如何运作的呢？

It's basically, I can't remember now, yeah.

基本上，我现在记不起来了，是的。

Anna: So it's something like creating sentences.

安娜：所以这就像造句子一样。

Luke: Yeah.

卢克：是的。 安娜：你必须把句子放在一起。

Anna: You have to put sentences together.

It gives you some horrific endings or beginnings of sentences and you

它给你一些可怕的结尾或句子的开头，你

have to complete it or something.

必须完成它或其他东西。

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

卢克：是的，没错。

There's a, sort of a, the beginning of a statement, and then you've

有一个，有点像，一个陈述的开头，然后你

got a number of cards in your hand.

手里就有了很多牌。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: And you have to choose the card which you think is

安娜：是的。 卢克：你必须选择你认为

best to complete that statement.

最能完成该陈述的

And all the cards in your hand are horrible, offensive, rude things.

卡片 。 而你手中的所有牌都是可怕的、令人反感的、粗鲁的东西。

I mean, it's fun when you're with your friends, of course, because you

我的意思是，当然，当你和朋友在一起时，这很有趣，因为你

know, it's just a thing that makes everyone shocked and it's, you know,

知道，这只是一件让每个人都感到震惊的事情，而且你知道，

it can be laugh out loud funny.

它可以让人笑得很有趣。

Anna: Mm-hmm.

Luke: You know, when you're with people that you know and you know

安娜：嗯嗯。

卢克：你知道，当你和你认识的人在一起并且你知道

that there's no danger of offending anyone, it's all just for fun.

没有冒犯任何人的危险时，这只是为了好玩。

And, you know, you can come out with some pretty hilarious and disgusting things.

而且，你知道，你可能会做出一些非常搞笑和恶心的事情。

You pass your card in and the person whose turn it is reads out all of the

你把卡片递进去，轮到的人读出所有的

statements and then everyone decides which one they think is the best.

陈述，然后每个人都决定他们认为哪一个是最好的。

Anna: Yes.

安娜：是的。

Luke: And that person...

Anna: The one that's the funniest.

卢克：还有那个人…… 安娜：最有趣的一个。

Luke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

卢克：是啊，是啊，是啊，是啊。

Anna: Yeah.

That one wins.

安娜：是的。 那个人赢了。

Luke: Yeah, that's right.

卢克：是的，没错。

Anna: Yeah.

So on that note, thank you so much Luke for joining me.

安娜：是的。 因此，非常感谢卢克加入我。

Listeners, if you are interested in hearing a little bit more of a deep

听众们，如果您有兴趣听更深入的内容

dive into Monopoly, then do head to the show notes to go and listen

深入了解《大富翁》，然后前往节目笔记并收听

to that other episode on Luke's channel, Luke's English Podcast.

卢克频道卢克英语播客上的另一集。

Thank you so much.

太感谢了。

Luke: Thank you, Anna.

卢克：谢谢你，安娜。

It's really good fun.

真的很好玩。

I'd love to just play a board game now.

我现在只想玩棋盘游戏。

Anna: Yeah.

Luke: But, gotta go, like, go to the supermarket and

安娜：是的。

卢克：但是，我得去超市，

then cook dinner, you know?

然后做饭，你知道吗？

You know the way it is.

Anna: Yeah.

You got some important life stuff coming up, so, uh...

你知道事情是这样的。

安娜：是的。 你有一些重要的生活事情即将发生，所以，呃...

Luke: Absolutely.

卢克：当然。

Anna: You've gotta get your game in order.

安娜：你必须让你的比赛井然有序。

Luke: Yeah.

The real game of life.

卢克：是的。

真正的人生游戏。

Anna: The game of life.

安娜：生命的游戏。

Yeah.

Luke: Yeah.

Anna: Yeah.

是的。

卢克：是的。 安娜：是的。

Luke: Okay.

Anna: Okay.

卢克：好的。 安娜：好的。

Thank you.

Luke: Alright, lovely to speak to you again, Anna.

谢谢。 卢克：好的，很高兴再次和你说话，安娜。

Anna: And you, take care.

安娜：还有你，保重。

Luke: You too.

卢克：你也是。

Anna: And bye.

安娜：再见。

Luke: Bye-bye.

卢克：再见。