An Interview with ESTHER about Teaching English

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

00:00
Welcome to another edition of Speak English fluently.
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ื‘ืจื•ื›ื™ื ื”ื‘ืื™ื ืœืžื”ื“ื•ืจื” ื ื•ืกืคืช ืฉืœ ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืฉื•ื˜ืคืช.
00:03
I'm your host, Steve Hatherly.
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ืื ื™ ื”ืžืืจื— ืฉืœืš, ืกื˜ื™ื‘ ื”ืืช'ืจืœื™.
00:06
My guest today is quite the celebrity in the English education field.
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ื”ืื•ืจื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื•ื ื”ืกืœื‘ืจื™ื˜ืื™ ืœืžื“ื™ ื‘ืชื—ื•ื ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื”ืื ื’ืœื™.
00:11
She started teaching English in Korea way back in 2008 after studying psychology for
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื—ืœื” ืœืœืžื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื ืช 2008 ืœืื—ืจ ืฉืœืžื“ื” ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”
00:18
her undergraduate degree.
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ืœืชื•ืืจ ืจืืฉื•ืŸ.
00:20
And now she's actually studying to be a therapist.
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ื•ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื™ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืœื•ืžื“ืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื˜ืคืœืช.
00:22
We will talk about that a little bit today.
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ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื” ืงืฆืช ื”ื™ื•ื.
00:25
She is the top English teacher for Shaw Education.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ืžื•ื‘ื™ืœื” ืœืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื‘-Shaw Education.
00:28
She has over, I think if we count correctly, 160 videos on the website now.
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ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืœืžืขืœื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื ืกืคื•ืจ ื ื›ื•ืŸ, 160 ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืืชืจ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•.
00:34
Although that number might be a little bit higher, we'd have to count more accurately.
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ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืžืกืคืจ ื–ื” ืขืฉื•ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืขื˜ ื’ื‘ื•ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœืกืคื•ืจ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืžื“ื•ื™ืงืช ื™ื•ืชืจ.
00:38
Those videos are there for your viewing pleasure and your education pleasure, of course.
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ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื ืžืฆืื™ื ืฉื ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืฆืคื™ื™ื” ืฉืœืš ื•ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืฉืœืš, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ.
00:43
She covers grammar, vocabulary, listening and conversation in her videos.
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ื”ื™ื ืžื›ืกื” ื“ืงื“ื•ืง, ืื•ืฆืจ ืžื™ืœื™ื, ื”ืื–ื ื” ื•ืฉื™ื—ื” ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœื”.
00:48
And we will have a conversation today.
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ื•ื ื ื”ืœ ืฉื™ื—ื” ื”ื™ื•ื.
00:51
Welcome Esther, should I say Ester sonsangnim, Esther teacher, Miss Esther?
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ื‘ืจื•ื›ื” ื”ื‘ืื” ืืกืชืจ, ื”ืื ืขืœื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืืกืชืจ ืกื•ื ืกื ื’ื ื™ื, ืžื•ืจื” ืืกืชืจ, ืžื™ืก ืืกืชืจ?
00:55
Welcome regardless to Speak English Fluently.
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ื‘ืจื•ืš ื”ื‘ื ื‘ืœื™ ืงืฉืจ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืฉื•ื˜ืคืช.
00:59
Thank you so much for having me, Steve.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืฉื–ืžื ืช ืื•ืชื™, ืกื˜ื™ื‘.
01:01
And you can call me Esther.
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ื•ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืงืจื•ื ืœื™ ืืกืชืจ.
01:02
That's totally fine.
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ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ื’ืžื•ืจ.
01:04
Very good.
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ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“.
01:05
Well, thank you once again for joining today.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืฉื•ื‘ ืชื•ื“ื” ืฉื”ืฆื˜ืจืคืช ื”ื™ื•ื.
01:06
OK, so let's talk about your career then.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื– ื‘ื•ื ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœืš.
01:10
You are from the United States, and you are currently residing in the United States.
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ืืชื” ืžืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช, ื•ืืชื” ืžืชื’ื•ืจืจ ื›ืขืช ื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช.
01:15
You studied psychology in school.
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ืœืžื“ืช ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ.
01:18
Did you move to Korea after university in America or was there a time period between?
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ืขื‘ืจืช ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื” ืื—ืจื™ ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื” ื‘ืืžืจื™ืงื” ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื™ืŸ?
01:25
Actually, I moved to Korea right after I graduated from university.
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื” ืžื™ื“ ืœืื—ืจ ืฉืกื™ื™ืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื”.
01:30
Itโ€™s a funny story.
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ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืžืฆื—ื™ืง.
01:32
I was supposed to go there for a 15-day graduation trip and ended up staying for 9 years.
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืืžื•ืจ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืฉื ืœื˜ื™ื•ืœ ืกื™ื•ื ืฉืœ 15 ื™ื•ื ื•ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื ืฉืืจืชื™ 9 ืฉื ื™ื.
01:39
So pretty much right after I graduated.
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ืื– ื“ื™ ืžื™ื“ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืกื™ื™ืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื.
01:41
Let'sโ€ฆ yeah, I mean everybody was surprised and yeah, it'sโ€ฆ it was a wonderful time
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ื‘ื•ืื•... ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื”ื•ืคืชืขื• ื•ื›ืŸ, ื–ื”... ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืชืงื•ืคื” ื ืคืœืื”
01:47
there.
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ืฉื.
01:48
That's such a common story though, isn't it?
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื ืคื•ืฅ, ืœื?
01:50
You know, people move to Korea and then the plan is to stay for a short time.
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ืฉื™ื ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื” ื•ืื– ื”ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ื”ื™ื ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืœื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ.
01:56
But they end up staying for a long time.
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื ืฉืืจื™ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ.
01:59
People fall in love with Korea, don't they?
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชืื”ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ืœื?
02:01
Yes, and I miss it so much.
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ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžืชื’ืขื’ืข.
02:03
I can't wait to go back and visit sometime in the near future, and I've heard countless
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื—ื›ื•ืช ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ื•ืœื‘ืงืจ ืžืชื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ืขืชื™ื“ ื”ืงืจื•ื‘, ื•ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืื™ื ืกืคื•ืจ
02:08
stories and have many friends who had similar experiences.
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ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื—ื•ื• ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ื“ื•ืžื•ืช.
02:12
When you moved to Korea, did you have plans of teaching English?
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ื›ืฉืขื‘ืจืช ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ื”ื™ื• ืœืš ืชื•ื›ื ื™ื•ืช ืœืœืžื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช?
02:17
I guess not, because you were only planning on being here for a couple of weeks.
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ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉืœื, ื›ื™ ืชื›ื ื ืช ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ืืŸ ืจืง ืœื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช.
02:23
That's correct.
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ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
02:24
I had a friend from college who lived in Korea and was studying abroad in the US when we
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื” ืžื”ืงื•ืœื’' ืฉื’ืจื” ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื” ื•ืœืžื“ื” ื‘ื—ื•"ืœ ื‘ืืจื”"ื‘
02:30
met, and she heard of a job opportunity, asked me if I'd be interested in interviewing, and
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ื›ืฉื”ื›ืจื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื ืฉืžืขื” ืขืœ ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืฉืืœื” ืื•ืชื™ ืื ืื ื™ ืžืขื•ื ื™ื™ื ืช ืœื”ืชืจืื™ื™ืŸ,
02:36
I got the job.
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ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
02:37
And that's how I ended up staying for a lot longer than I had ever planned.
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ื•ื›ืš ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื” ืฉืื™ ืคืขื ืชื›ื ื ืชื™.
02:41
Wow, so what made you interested in teaching English then?
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ื•ื•ืื•, ืื– ืžื” ื’ืจื ืœืš ืœื”ืชืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืœืžื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืื–?
02:46
Because it came to you very suddenly, I guess in in your life, right?
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ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ืš ื‘ืคืชืื•ืžื™ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ื‘ื—ื™ื™ืš, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
02:51
Yeah, I have always really enjoyed working with young people and children.
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ื›ืŸ, ืชืžื™ื“ ื ื”ื ื™ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืขื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ื•ื™ืœื“ื™ื.
02:57
When I was young, I wanted to be a teacher or an artist, but I think my teaching abilities
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ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืขื™ืจ, ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื•ืจื” ืื• ืืžืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ื”ื”ื•ืจืื” ืฉืœื™
03:03
outโ€ฆ outwayโ€ฆ are stronger than my artistic abilities, although I am very creative.
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... ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ... ื—ื–ืงื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื”ื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ื”ืืžื ื•ืชื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื™, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ื™ืฆื™ืจืชื™.
03:12
So yeah, Iโ€ฆ
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ืื– ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™...
03:13
I have always been interested in teaching and this opportunity did fall in my lap and
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ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ืชืขื ื™ื™ื ืชื™ ืœืœืžื“ ื•ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื”ื–ื• ืื›ืŸ ื ืคืœื” ื‘ื—ื™ืงื™
03:19
I took the opportunity.
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ื•ื ื™ืฆืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช.
03:22
I guess I seized the opportunity and never looked back.
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ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉื ื™ืฆืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื•ืœื ื”ื‘ื˜ืชื™ ืœืื—ื•ืจ.
03:26
Carpe Diem moment for you.
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ืจื’ืข ืงืจืคื” ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš.
03:29
So how did you become involved with Shaw education?
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ืื– ืื™ืš ื”ืชืขืกืงืช ื‘ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืฉื•?
03:33
Um, so between teaching jobs, I had taken a little bit of a break to go back and visit
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ืืžืž, ืื– ื‘ื™ืŸ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื•ืจืื”, ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืงืฆืช ื”ืคืกืงื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ื•ืœื‘ืงืจ
03:40
my family.
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ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื™.
03:42
And when I came back to Korea, I didn't have another job lined up.
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ื•ื›ืฉื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืื—ืจืช.
03:46
And so I was looking.
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ื•ื›ืš ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™.
03:47
I wanted to do some part time jobs or some tutoring jobs.
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ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื›ืžื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ื‘ืžืฉืจื” ื—ืœืงื™ืช ืื• ื›ืžื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื.
03:51
I was looking for some jobs that would give me a little bit more freedom than working
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ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ื›ืžื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉื™ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ื•ืคืฉ ืžืืฉืจ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“
03:55
at the kind of typical hagwon or English institution or Academy.
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ื‘ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื”ืื’ื•ืŸ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืกื™ ืื• ืžื•ืกื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ ืื• ืืงื“ืžื™ื”.
04:02
And so I wasโ€ฆ
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ื•ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™...
04:03
I was tutoring.
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ืœืžื“ืชื™.
04:04
I was doing part time work, doing some research and development for some hagwons, and then
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ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืฉืจื” ื—ืœืงื™ืช, ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืงืฆืช ืžื—ืงืจ ื•ืคื™ืชื•ื— ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื›ืžื” ื”ืื’ื•ื ื™ื, ื•ืื–
04:09
I came across an ad from Shaw English, looking for teachers to shoot some videos teaching
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ื ืชืงืœืชื™ ื‘ืžื•ื“ืขื” ืž-Shaw English, ืฉื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืฉื™ืฆืœืžื• ื›ืžื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืžืœืžื“ื™ื
04:17
English.
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ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
04:18
And I thought I'd give it a shot.
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ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœื ืกื•ืช.
04:19
So another opportunity that just fell on my lap.
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ืื– ืขื•ื“ ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืฉืคืฉื•ื˜ ื ืคืœื” ืขืœ ื‘ืจื›ื™.
04:22
I'm curious to know where you saw the advertisement, because that's exactly how I came to Korea
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ืื ื™ ืกืงืจืŸ ืœื“ืขืช ืื™ืคื” ืจืื™ืช ืืช ื”ืคืจืกื•ืžืช, ื›ื™ ื›ื›ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื”
04:28
originally as well.
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ื’ื ื‘ืžืงื•ืจ.
04:30
It was a really small advertisement in the bottom right corner of the newspaper that
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ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคืจืกื•ืžืช ืžืžืฉ ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืคื™ื ื” ื”ื™ืžื ื™ืช ื”ืชื—ืชื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ
04:37
said teach English in Korea.
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ืฉืืžืจื” ืœืœืžื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื”.
04:38
So where was your Shaw Education advertisement?
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ืื– ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคืจืกื•ืžืช ืฉืœืš ื‘-Shaw Education?
04:41
I want to know.
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ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื“ืขืช.
04:43
That's a funny story.
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ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืžืฆื—ื™ืง.
04:44
Well, my, uh, the ad that I saw was on Craigslist, I believe so, yeah, very funny 'cause I don't
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืฉืœื™, ืื”, ื”ืžื•ื“ืขื” ืฉืจืื™ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘-Craigslist, ืื ื™ ืžืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ืžืฆื—ื™ืง ืžืื•ื“, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืœื
04:51
really know anybody who used Craigslist in Korea maybe.
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ืžืžืฉ ืžื›ื™ืจ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘-Craigslist ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื” ืื•ืœื™.
04:55
So I just got very lucky I guess.
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ืื– ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืชืžื–ืœ ืžื–ืœื™, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—.
04:58
Yeah, maybe to buy a sofa or something like that, but not to start this amazingly successful,
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ื›ืŸ, ืื•ืœื™ ืœืงื ื•ืช ืกืคื” ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืœื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืืช
05:04
you know, online English education career.
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ืงืจื™ื™ืจืช ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื”ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžืงื•ื•ื ืช ื”ื–ื•, ื”ืžื•ืฆืœื—ืช ืœื”ืคืœื™ื.
05:07
That's a very rare story.
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ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื ื“ื™ืจ ืžืื•ื“.
05:09
Exactly.
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ื‘ึผึฐื“ึดื™ื•ึผืง.
05:10
What year was that that you got started with Shaw?
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ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื ื” ื”ืชื—ืœืช ืขื ืฉื•?
05:13
I believe that was 2012.
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ืื ื™ ืžืืžื™ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” 2012.
05:15
OK, so it's been quite a long time, then, that you've been making videos for Shaw education.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื– ืขื‘ืจ ื“ื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ, ืื ื›ืŸ, ืฉื™ืฆืจืช ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืœื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืฉื•.
05:23
You did that while you were here in Korea, but after moving back to the United States,
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ืขืฉื™ืช ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืช ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขื‘ืจืช ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช,
05:28
you continued working with Shaw.
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ื”ืžืฉื›ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืขื ืฉื•.
05:31
Was that in the plans orโ€ฆ because usually when people leave Korea, they kind of leave
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ื›ื ื™ื•ืช ืื•... ื›ื™ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื›ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืขื•ื–ื‘ื™ื ืืช ืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ื”ื ืงืฆืช ืขื•ื–ื‘ื™ื
05:36
perhaps, not always, but sometimes leave the English education part of their life behind.
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ืื•ืœื™, ืœื ืชืžื™ื“, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžืฉืื™ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื—ืœืง ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื”ืื ื’ืœื™ ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ื”ื ืžืื—ื•ืจ.
05:42
But you took it with you.
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ืื‘ืœ ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืื™ืชืš.
05:44
Yeah, that was actually never part of the plan.
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ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช.
05:47
I didn't expect things to take off the way they did.
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ืœื ืฆื™ืคื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื™ื—ืœืคื• ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื ืขืฉื•.
05:51
I worked for maybe two months, I think with Robin in 2012 and I thought that was the end
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ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืื•ืœื™ ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื™ื, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘-2012 ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืกื•ืฃ
05:59
of it and I think we reconnected maybe around 2015.
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ืฉืœ ื–ื” ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืชื—ื‘ืจื ื• ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื•ืช 2015.
06:05
Team and started talking about let's make some more videos and even though I've moved
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ืฆื•ื•ืช ื•ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื‘ื•ืื• ื ืขืฉื” ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื•ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™
06:10
to the states, Robin has come here and we've done some more content in the USA and I'veโ€ฆ
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ืœ- ืงื•ื‘ืข, ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื›ืืŸ ื•ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืชื•ื›ืŸ ื‘ืืจื”"ื‘ ื•ืื ื™...
06:16
Wow.
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ื•ื•ืื•.
06:17
Yeah, and I've flown back to Korea as well to make more videos.
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ื›ืŸ, ื•ื˜ืกืชื™ ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืงื•ืจื™ืื” ื’ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืขื•ื“ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื.
06:21
So was that, does that mean then that the videos that you made in the beginning were
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ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื”ืื ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉื™ืฆืจืช ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื”ืชืงื‘ืœื•
06:27
so well received or so popular that Robin thought, wait, we have a good opportunity
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ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘ ืื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ื™ื ืขื“ ืฉืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื—ืฉื‘ื”, ืจื’ืข, ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื”
06:34
to make some more success here?
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ืœื”ืฆืœื™ื— ื›ืืŸ?
06:36
I definitely think so, yeah.
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ืื ื™ ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ.
06:39
I didn't expect it, but they did take off.
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ืœื ืฆื™ืคื™ืชื™ ืœื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื”ืžืจื™ืื•.
06:41
Can you remember the very first video that you made, I wonder?
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ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื›ื ืช, ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื”?
06:46
I I'm not sure, but I if I were to take a guess.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื™ื—.
06:52
I would guess the โ€˜can and canโ€™tโ€™ and some of the very simple basic skills.
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื—ืฉ ืืช ื”"ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื•ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ" ื•ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืžื™ื•ืžื ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื‘ืกื™ืกื™ื•ืช ื”ืคืฉื•ื˜ื•ืช ืžืื•ื“.
07:00
So in your videos, I talked about it in the opening a little bit conversation, you covered
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ืื– ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš, ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื™ื—ื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืคืชื™ื—ื”, ืกื™ืงืจืช ืืช
07:06
that.
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ื–ื”.
07:07
You cover a lot of different things in your videos.
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ืืชื” ืžื›ืกื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš.
07:09
And some of your videos are quite long as well, although they're put together I think
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ื•ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš ื’ื ื“ื™ ืืจื•ื›ื™ื, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื”ื ืžื•ืจื›ื‘ื™ื ืœื“ืขืชื™
07:13
3 hours, some 5 hours some.
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3 ืฉืขื•ืช, ื›ืžื” 5 ืฉืขื•ืช ื—ืœืง.
07:16
But yeah, different topics, conversation, speaking, all these different types of things.
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืŸ, ื ื•ืฉืื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื, ืฉื™ื—ื”, ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ, ื›ืœ ืกื•ื’ื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืฉื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
07:22
When you started making videos again, did you know that you wanted to cover many different
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ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ืœืช ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉื•ื‘, ื”ืื ื™ื“ืขืช ืฉืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืงืจ
07:28
topics in your video?
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ื ื•ืฉืื™ื ืจื‘ื™ื ื•ืฉื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืฉืœืš?
07:31
No, but I did always enjoy the storytelling videos, which were a little more casual, a
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ืœื, ืื‘ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ื ื”ื ื™ืชื™ ืžืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืกืชืžื™ื™ื,
07:38
little less formal.
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ืงืฆืช ืคื—ื•ืช ืจืฉืžื™ื™ื.
07:40
We haven't done any kind of storytelling videos in a while, but I'm looking forward to picking
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ืœื ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืžื–ื” ื–ืžืŸ ืžื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืžืฆืคื” ืœืืกื•ืฃ
07:45
up on those again.
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ืื•ืชื ืฉื•ื‘.
07:47
And there was a video where Robin asked me really quick-fire 100 questions and that was
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ื•ื”ื™ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืฉื‘ื• ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™ 100 ืฉืืœื•ืช ืžืžืฉ ืžื”ืจ, ื•ื’ื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”
07:54
a lot of fun as well.
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ืžืื•ื“ ื›ื™ืฃ.
07:55
Iโ€ฆ
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ืื ื™...
07:56
I did one of those videos too, for Robin.
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ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื’ื ืื—ื“ ืžื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ.
07:58
It wasโ€ฆ
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”...
08:00
It was a lot of fun.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื›ื™ืฃ.
08:01
Yeah, I don't think I've ever been asked 100 questions in a row before in such quick-fire,
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ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื™ ืคืขื ืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื™ 100 ืฉืืœื•ืช ื‘ืจืฆื™ืคื•ืช ื‘ืขื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ื• ืฉืœ ืืฉ
08:07
quick-fire fashion.
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ืžื”ื™ืจื”, ืžื”ื™ืจื”.
08:08
But yeah, those are fun to do.
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืŸ, ื›ื™ืฃ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”.
08:10
Right.
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ื™ืžื™ืŸ.
08:11
I saw one of your videos has 17,155,940 views and that number is probably higher as we are
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ืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉืœืื—ื“ ืžื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš ื™ืฉ 17,155,940 ืฆืคื™ื•ืช ื•ื”ืžืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื” ื›ื ืจืื” ื’ื‘ื•ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื•
08:23
speaking right now.
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ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•.
08:25
So I wonder, in your opinion as a teacher, as a star teacher, what makes your videos
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื”, ืœื“ืขืชืš ื›ืžื•ืจื”, ื›ืžื•ืจื” ื›ื•ื›ื‘ืช, ืžื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš ืœื›ืœ
08:31
so popular, do you think?
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ื›ืš ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ื™ื, ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘?
08:35
It's hard to say, um, when I read the comments, I just feel like people connect with me.
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ืงืฉื” ืœื•ืžืจ, ืืžืž, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืงื•ืจื ืืช ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืืœื™ื™.
08:45
Uhm, I have heard that I speak very clearly.
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ืืžืž, ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ืจื•ืจ.
08:49
And I think that is helpful for a lot of English learners.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืžื•ืขื™ืœ ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ืœื•ืžื“ื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
08:53
Uhm, you know, I don't know.
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ืืžืž, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข.
08:55
But I really, really just appreciate all the love and kind comments and questions people
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืžืžืฉ ืจืง ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ื•ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืื ืฉื™ื
09:04
have left.
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ื”ืฉืื™ืจื•.
09:05
Yeah, those comments really make you feel great, don't they?
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ื›ืŸ, ื”ื”ืขืจื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื‘ืืžืช ื’ื•ืจืžื•ืช ืœืš ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื ื”ื“ืจ, ืœื?
09:09
Because it makes you realize that you're making an impact.
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ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื’ื•ืจื ืœืš ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืืชื” ืžืฉืคื™ืข.
09:13
You're having a positive influence on someoneโ€™s life, and as someone who is studying to be
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ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืฉืคืขื” ื—ื™ื•ื‘ื™ืช ืขืœ ื—ื™ื™ื• ืฉืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ื•ื›ืžื™ ืฉืœื•ืžื“ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
09:19
a therapist and studied psychology before, I'm guessing that that's really quite important
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ืžื˜ืคืœ ื•ืœืžื“ ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืžื ื—ืฉ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ื“ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘
09:24
for you personally.
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ืขื‘ื•ืจืš ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืื™ืฉื™.
09:25
Yes, it's very rewarding just to know that I am helping people.
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ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžืชื’ืžืœ ืจืง ืœื“ืขืช ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ื–ืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื.
09:30
And just that ---I'm making some kind of impact.
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ื•ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื–ื” --- ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ื”ืฉืคืขื”.
09:36
It feels really wonderful.
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ื–ื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ืžืžืฉ ื ืคืœื.
09:38
Do you remember the moment when you realized, oh wow, these videos are becoming quite popular?
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื”ืจื’ืข ืฉื‘ื• ื”ื‘ื ืช, ื”ื• ื•ื•ืื•, ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื”ื•ืคื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื“ื™ ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ื™ื?
09:46
Because in the beginning you only worked with Robin for a couple of months.
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ื›ื™ ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ืขื‘ื“ืช ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ืจืง ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื.
09:51
There was a break time there, a long break time.
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื”ืคืกืงื”, ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืคืกืงื” ืืจื•ืš.
09:53
And then you started making videos again.
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ื•ืื– ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ืชื—ืœืช ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื.
09:55
Do you remember, was there any particular video or any particular time when you realized,
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ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื”ืื ื”ื™ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืกื•ื™ื ืื• ื–ืžืŸ ืžืกื•ื™ื ืฉื‘ื• ื”ื‘ื ืช,
10:01
oh, this is going to be quite successful?
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ื”ื•, ื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื“ื™ ืžื•ืฆืœื—?
10:04
I still don't think it's really hit me.
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืคื’ืข ื‘ื™.
10:07
You know, when you say 17 million views, that's shockingโ€ฆ
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ 17 ืžื™ืœื™ื•ืŸ ืฆืคื™ื•ืช, ื–ื” ืžื–ืขื–ืข...
10:11
That's just that's Justin Bieber territory.
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ื–ื” ืจืง ื”ื˜ืจื™ื˜ื•ืจื™ื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื‘ื™ื‘ืจ.
10:13
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around what that really means to be honest.
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืชืงืฉื” ืœื›ืจื•ืš ืืช ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื™ ืžื” ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืื•ืžืจ ืœืžืขืŸ ื”ืืžืช.
10:20
The first time I realized not that this was going to be a big deal or that this was big,
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ื”ืคืขื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืœื ืฉื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ,
10:26
but the first time that I thought this is more than just the two months kind of commitment
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืคืขื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืกืชื ื”ืชื—ื™ื™ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื™ื
10:31
I had made with Robin initially, was when a colleague of mine at a hagwon was preparing
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ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ืฉืขืžื™ืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื”ืื’ื•ืŸ ื”ื›ื™ืŸ
10:39
a lesson for his class and was looking up some videos on YouTube for resources and said
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ืฉื™ืขื•ืจ ืœื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื• ื•ื—ื™ืคืฉ ื›ืžื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ื˜ื™ื•ื‘ ืœืžืฉืื‘ื™ื ื•ืืžืจ
10:45
to me, is this you?
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ืœื™, ื–ื” ืืชื”?
10:47
And Iโ€ฆ
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ื•ืื ื™...
10:48
That was the first time I realized like while people are getting to my videos when they
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ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคืขื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ื›ืžื• ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืœืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื›ืฉื”ื
10:53
search for something really simple for teaching English.
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ืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืžืฉ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื”ื•ืจืืช ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
10:58
Has it gotten easier over the years because now it'sโ€ฆ it's been a long time now, right,
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ื ืขืฉื” ืงืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขื ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื›ื™ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื–ื”... ืขื‘ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื ื›ื•ืŸ,
11:04
for you to be making videos?
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ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื?
11:06
Has it gotten easier to make these videos or has it gotten more difficult, I wonder?
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื” ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื”?
11:12
I don't know if it's gotten more difficult or easier.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื–ื” ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงืฉื” ืื• ืงืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ.
11:18
Not to toot my own horn, butโ€ฆ
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ืœื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฆืคืจืŸ ืฉืœ ืขืฆืžื™, ืื‘ืœ...
11:20
Please do.
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ื‘ื‘ืงืฉื” ืชืขืฉื”.
11:21
That's why we're her, Esther.
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ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื, ืืกืชืจ.
11:22
Well, Iโ€ฆ
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™...
11:23
I was surprised by.. by lack of nervousness.
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ื”ื•ืคืชืขืชื™ ืž.. ืžื—ื•ืกืจ ืขืฆื‘ื ื•ืช.
11:29
I wasn't as nervous as I thought I'd be.
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ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ ื›ืžื• ืฉื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืื”ื™ื”.
11:32
I think I do OK under pressure.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ืžืกืชื“ืจ ืชื—ืช ืœื—ืฅ.
11:35
You know, I have to admit, even before this interview I was pretty nervous.
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืœื”ื•ื“ื•ืช, ืขื•ื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื“ื™ ืขืฆื‘ื ื™.
11:40
But here I am and I'm feeling OK.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ืืŸ ื•ืื ื™ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
11:42
And even with school presentations and things like that, I really feel nervous before, but
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ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื ืžืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื•ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”, ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื” ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ืช ืœืคื ื™, ืื‘ืœ
11:48
in the moment, I tend to do OK.
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ื›ืจื’ืข, ืื ื™ ื ื•ื˜ื” ืœื”ืกืชื“ืจ.
11:51
Maybe I'm acting a little, I don't know.
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ืื•ืœื™ ืื ื™ ืžืฉื—ืง ืงืฆืช, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข.
11:55
But itโ€ฆ it never felt too difficult.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื”... ื–ื” ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืงืฉื” ืžื“ื™.
11:58
I guess that's a really good feeling to know though, becauseโ€ฆ
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ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉื–ืืช ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืžืžืฉ ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืœื“ืขืช, ื›ื™...
12:05
that's how students of English feel often when they have to speak English and even worse
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ื›ื›ื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ื™ื ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืขืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ื›ืฉื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื•ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข
12:11
when they have to do a presentation in English.
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ื›ืฉื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืฆื™ื’ ืžืฆื’ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
12:13
So knowing that feeling, do you think that that maybe makes you an even better teacher?
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ืื– ื›ืฉืืชื” ืžื›ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ื”ื–ื•, ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื•ืคืš ืื•ืชืš ืœืžื•ืจื” ืืคื™ืœื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘?
12:19
Oh, that's a good question.
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ื”ื•, ื–ื• ืฉืืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”.
12:21
I think, yeah.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ื›ืŸ.
12:23
You know, before presentations or before an interview, something like this I will often
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืœืคื ื™ ืžืฆื’ื•ืช ืื• ืœืคื ื™ ืจืื™ื•ืŸ, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœืจื•ื‘
12:30
also practice either in my head or in front of a mirror.
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ื’ื ืืชืืžืŸ ื‘ืจืืฉ ืื• ืžื•ืœ ื”ืžืจืื”.
12:35
I'll do my best to feel that I am well prepared, so I looked at the interview questions ahead
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ืื ื™ ืืขืฉื” ื›ืžื™ื˜ื‘ ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืฉืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื˜ื‘, ืื– ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ืขืœ ืฉืืœื•ืช ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืžื‘ืขื•ื“
12:42
of time, or I'll ask about what I can expect and I don't go in blindly.
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ืžื•ืขื“, ืื• ืฉืืฉืืœ ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฆืคื•ืช ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื ื›ื ืก ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืขื™ื•ื•ืจืช.
12:47
I do prepare.
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ืื ื™ ื›ืŸ ืžื›ื™ื ื”.
12:49
And thenโ€ฆ and thenโ€ฆ
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ื•ืื–... ื•ืื–...
12:51
when Iโ€ฆ once I'm in it, it doesn't seem as bad because I kind of know what to expect.
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ื›ืฉืื ื™... ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืชื•ื›ื•, ื–ื” ืœื ื ืจืื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื ื•ืจื ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื“ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืžื” ืœืฆืคื•ืช.
12:57
Now, when it comes to maybe like a live lesson or something like that, I may be a little
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื›ืฉื–ื” ืžื’ื™ืข ืื•ืœื™ ืœืฉื™ืขื•ืจ ื—ื™ ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
13:02
bit more nervous because things can go wrong.
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ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ ื›ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฉืชื‘ืฉ.
13:05
But in general, if I have some time or ability to prepare, I'll feel a lot better going into
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื›ืœืœื™, ืื ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื–ืžืŸ ืื• ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœื”ืชื›ื•ื ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืืจื’ื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก
13:12
the activity that I'm doing.
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ืœืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”.
13:13
Oh, that's the beauty of live TV or live radio or live streaming, is that, hey, sometimes
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ื”ื•, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื•ืคื™ ื‘ื˜ืœื•ื•ื™ื–ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื™ื“ื•ืจ ื—ื™ ืื• ื‘ืจื“ื™ื• ื—ื™ ืื• ื‘ืฉื™ื“ื•ืจ ื—ื™, ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื™, ืœืคืขืžื™ื
13:19
things go wrong and that's OK when that happens too, right?
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืžืฉืชื‘ืฉื™ื ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ื›ืฉื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ื’ื, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
13:23
Of course, yeah.
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ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื›ืŸ.
13:25
Is there any video that comes to mind for you that was the most fun to make, I wonder?
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ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ืื™ื–ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืฉืขื•ืœื” ืœืš ื‘ืจืืฉ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ื›ื™ ื›ื™ืฃ ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื”?
13:32
I'm going to go back to that 100 questions, rapid questioning video, just because it was
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ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœ-100 ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช, ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ื”ืžื”ื™ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื”
13:40
very casual for that one.
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ืžืื•ื“ ืกืชืžื™ ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื”ืฉืืœื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”.
13:42
I didn't really have to prepare, and who doesn't like talking about themselves and things that
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ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ืชื›ื•ื ืŸ, ื•ืžื™ ืœื ืื•ื”ื‘ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื• ื•ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื
13:48
they enjoy?
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ืฉื”ื ื ื”ื ื™ื ืžื”ื?
13:49
Right, that'sโ€ฆ that's true.
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ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื–ื”... ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
13:50
So that was fun.
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ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื™ืฃ.
13:51
Maybe that's how I should have prepared for this interview today?
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ืื•ืœื™ ื›ื›ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ืชื›ื•ื ืŸ ืœืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื•ื?
13:54
I should have just prepared 100 questions and just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื›ื™ืŸ 100 ืฉืืœื•ืช ื•ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื‘ื•ื, ื‘ื•ื, ื‘ื•ื, ื‘ื•ื, ื‘ื•ื, ื‘ื•ื,
13:59
boom.
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ื‘ื•ื.
14:00
So you're studying to be a therapist now?
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ืื– ืืชื” ืœื•ืžื“ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื˜ืคืœ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
14:04
Does that mean that you will stop making English education videos in the future?
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืชืคืกื™ืง ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื‘ืขืชื™ื“?
14:09
Or will you do those both of those things together in the future?
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ืื• ืฉืชืขืฉื” ืืช ืฉื ื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื‘ืขืชื™ื“?
14:14
I'm still working on making videos with Robin.
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืขื•ื‘ื“ ืขืœ ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ.
14:19
I don't have any plans to stop in the near future.
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ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืชื•ื›ื ื™ื•ืช ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืงืจื•ื‘.
14:22
Things may slow down depending on how often we're able to travel back and forth and make
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืฉื•ื™ื™ื ืœื”ืื˜ ื‘ื”ืชืื ืœืชื“ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉื‘ื” ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื ืกื•ืข ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ
14:27
the videos.
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ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื.
14:28
And you know, I'm always being encouraged to make videos at home right now, however,
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ื•ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืขื•ื“ื“ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ
14:33
with my studies, and my burgeoning practice, it's a little bit hard to do that.
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ืขื ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื”ืชืจื’ื•ืœ ื”ืžืชืคืชื— ืฉืœื™, ื–ื” ืงืฆืช ืงืฉื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”.
14:41
So videos may not be coming out as regularly, but I do plan to continue making them.
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ืื– ืื•ืœื™ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืœื ื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืงื‘ื•ืข, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื ืŸ ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื.
14:49
What kind of video schedule do you have now?
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ืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืœื•ื— ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
14:52
Do you put out videos once a week?
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ืžื•ืฆื™ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืคืขื ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืข?
14:54
Once a month?
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ืคืขื ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ?
14:55
What kind of schedule are you on now?
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ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืœื•ื— ื–ืžื ื™ื ืืชื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
14:57
Currently, I don't have any kind of regular schedule.
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ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืœืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื›ืœ ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืœื•ื— ื–ืžื ื™ื ืงื‘ื•ืข.
15:01
It's more so when I'm able to visit Korea, we'll shoot a lot of videos at once and then
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื›ืš ื›ืฉืื•ื›ืœ ืœื‘ืงืจ ื‘ืงื•ืจื™ืื”, ื ืฆืœื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื‘ืช ืื—ืช ื•ืื–
15:09
they will slowly be edited and then released.
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ื”ื ื™ืชื‘ืฆืขื• ืœืื˜ ืœืื˜ ื•ืื– ื™ืฉื•ื—ืจืจื•.
15:11
Wow, you truly are a celebrity, aren't you?
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ื•ื•ืื•, ืืชื” ื‘ืืžืช ืกืœื‘ืจื™ื˜ื™, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
15:14
Traveling around the world to film different things.
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ืžื˜ื™ื™ืœื™ื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืขื•ืœื ืœืฆืœื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื.
15:17
Yeah, when you put it that way.
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ื›ืŸ, ื›ืฉืืชื” ืžื ืกื— ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื›ื”.
15:20
Yeah, exactly right.
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ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
15:22
So what are the plans then for content for the future?
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ืื– ืžื” ื”ืชื•ื›ื ื™ื•ืช ืื ื›ืŸ ืœืชื•ื›ืŸ ืœืขืชื™ื“?
15:25
Orโ€ฆ or maybe just things that you think, in your opinion as a teacher, would be really
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ืื•... ืื• ืื•ืœื™ ืกืชื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื“ืขืชืš, ืœื“ืขืชืš ื›ืžื•ืจื”, ื™ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืืžืช
15:31
useful for students these days?
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ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉื™ื™ื ืœืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื•?
15:34
Well, with TikTok and other social media being so umโ€ฆ
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืขื TikTok ื•ืžื“ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ืื—ืจืช ืฉื”ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืืžืž...
15:42
It's just really different from when videos were released on YouTube or when I recorded
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ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืžืฉ ืฉื•ื ื” ืžื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื‘ื• ืคืจืกืžื• ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื‘-YouTube ืื• ื›ืฉื”ืงืœื˜ืชื™
15:47
these videos for YouTube in 2012.
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ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืœื™ื•ื˜ื™ื•ื‘ ื‘-2012.
15:51
People are consuming social media content in much smaller bits and pieces.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆื•ืจื›ื™ื ืชื•ื›ืŸ ืฉืœ ืžื“ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื‘ืงื˜ืขื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื ื‘ื”ืจื‘ื”.
15:58
And so, I foresee that if I do make some videos, it will be a lot more casual quick.
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืฆื•ืคื” ืฉืื ืืขืฉื” ื›ืžื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื, ื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืกืชืžื™ ืžื”ืจ.
16:05
UM, maybe uh, more of a glimpse into my daily life.
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ืืžืž, ืื•ืœื™ ืื”, ื™ื•ืชืจ ื”ืฆืฆื” ืœื—ื™ื™ ื”ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ื ืฉืœื™.
16:11
Andโ€ฆ and just maybe a little bit more of an approachable, less structured, uhm, lesson.
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ื•... ื•ืจืง ืื•ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉื™ืขื•ืจ ื ื’ื™ืฉ, ืคื—ื•ืช ืžื•ื‘ื ื”, ืื”ืž, ืฉื™ืขื•ืจ.
16:18
I'm not sure yet, but I definitely can see that being popular or helpful.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื–ื” ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ ืื• ืžื•ืขื™ืœ.
16:23
That's a really interesting opinion.
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ื–ื• ื“ืขื” ืžืžืฉ ืžืขื ื™ื™ื ืช.
16:25
You know, I've heard so many different teachers say these days.
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ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืฉืžืขืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื•ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ืืœื”.
16:30
Well, because of the pandemic, it changed education, not just for English, it changed
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืžื’ื™ืคื”, ื”ื™ื ืฉื™ื ืชื” ืืช ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš, ืœื ืจืง ืœืื ื’ืœื™ืช, ื”ื™ื ืฉื™ื ืชื” ืืช
16:36
education as a whole.
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ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื‘ื›ืœืœื•ืชื•.
16:39
Because so much got put online forcibly, people didn't have a choice, students and teachers.
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ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ื”ื•ื›ื ืก ืœืจืฉืช ื‘ื›ื•ื—, ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืจื™ืจื”, ืœืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ื•ืœืžื•ืจื™ื.
16:46
But what's interesting is that the world of social media is now having a great impact
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ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ื”ืžื“ื™ื” ื”ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื™ืฉ ื›ืขืช ื”ืฉืคืขื” ืจื‘ื”
16:54
on how students want to learn and how teachers want to teach.
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ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื‘ื• ื”ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื•ืื™ืš ื”ืžื•ืจื™ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืœืžื“.
17:00
And I think it's something maybe you agree or disagree, but to me, it seems like such
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื•ืœื™ ืืชื” ืžืกื›ื™ื ืื• ืœื ืžืกื›ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื™ ื–ื” ื ืจืื” ื›ืžื•
17:06
a juxtapose.
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ื–ื” ืœืฆื“ ื–ื”.
17:08
Social media and education or social media and English education.
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ืžื“ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื•ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืื• ืžื“ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื•ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
17:13
Those two things don't seem to go together naturally.
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ื ืจืื” ืฉืฉื ื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืœื ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื˜ื‘ืขื™.
17:17
But now teachers, they have to follow that trend, right?
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ืื‘ืœ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžื•ืจื™ื, ื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืขืงื‘ื•ืช ื”ืžื’ืžื” ื”ื–ื•, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
17:22
And Iโ€ฆ
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ื•ืื ื™...
17:23
I do see where you're coming from, but I think I myself learn a lot from social media.
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ืื ื™ ื›ืŸ ืจื•ืื” ืžืื™ืคื” ืืชื” ื‘ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืขืฆืžื™ ืœื•ืžื“ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื”ืžื“ื™ื” ื”ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช.
17:29
For example, I'm following a lot of accounts that are teaching me how to make new recipes.
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ืœื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ืื ื™ ืขื•ืงื‘ ืื—ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืžืœืžื“ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืื™ืš ืœื”ื›ื™ืŸ ืžืชื›ื•ื ื™ื ื—ื“ืฉื™ื.
17:36
Accountโ€ฆ
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ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ...
17:37
Instagram accounts that teach me about finance, which is something I'm interested in learning.
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ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ืื™ื ืกื˜ื’ืจื ืฉืžืœืžื“ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืขืœ ืคื™ื ื ืกื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื ื™ ืžืขื•ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืœืžื•ื“.
17:42
Or about.
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ืื• ื‘ืขืจืš.
17:43
I'm learning a lot about therapy as well.
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ืื ื™ ืœื•ืžื“ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื’ื ืขืœ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ.
17:47
And so I'm learning bits and pieces.
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ื•ื›ืš ืื ื™ ืœื•ืžื“ ื—ืœืงื™ื ื•ื—ืœืงื™ื.
17:50
And so I do think that maybe theโ€ฆ either the quality of theโ€ฆ or the time it'll take
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ ืื ื™ ื›ืŸ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื”... ืื• ื”ืื™ื›ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”... ืื• ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื™ื™ืงื—
17:55
to acquire all the knowledge I need to become an expert, will be longer, but at the same
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ืœืจื›ื•ืฉ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื“ืข ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคื•ืš ืœืžื•ืžื—ื”, ื™ื”ื™ื” ืืจื•ืš ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืื•ืชื•
18:02
time, itโ€ฆ it is more approachable, like I said.
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ื–ืžืŸ, ื–ื”... ื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื ื’ื™ืฉ , ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืชื™.
18:06
It feels less daunting or it feels like it's not so much I have to try to learn atโ€ฆ at
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ื–ื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ืคื—ื•ืช ืžืจืชื™ืข ืื• ืฉื–ื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืื™ืœื• ื–ื” ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื‘ื‘ืช
18:13
once so it can feel like more doable.
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ืื—ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืจ ื‘ื™ืฆื•ืข.
18:16
I guess is another way to put it.
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ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉื–ื• ื“ืจืš ืื—ืจืช ืœื ืกื— ืืช ื–ื”.
18:18
Yeah, I guess the world is changing.
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ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉื”ืขื•ืœื ืžืฉืชื ื”.
18:21
People are changing in the sense that I don't know if it's a reduced attention span for
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืฉืชื ื™ื ื‘ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื–ื” ื˜ื•ื•ื— ืงืฉื‘ ืžื•ืคื—ืช
18:27
people around the world or just people have become spoiled with how quickly they can get
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ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ืื• ืฉืกืชื ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืชืคื ืงื• ืขื ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืจ ื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืงื‘ืœ
18:33
their content.
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ืืช ื”ืชื•ื›ืŸ ืฉืœื”ื.
18:34
But I think you're right.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืืชื” ืฆื•ื“ืง.
18:36
Shorter videos perhaps, with getting your point - boom, straight to the point.
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ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืงืฆืจื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืื•ืœื™, ืขื ืงื‘ืœืช ื”ื ืงื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš - ื‘ื•ื, ื™ืฉืจ ืœืขื ื™ื™ืŸ.
18:40
And then wrap it up and then, yeah, maybe that's the future of education for not just
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ื•ืื– ืœืกื›ื ืืช ื–ื” ื•ืื–, ื›ืŸ, ืื•ืœื™ ื–ื” ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืœื ืจืง
18:45
English, but finance, cooking, all the things that you mentioned.
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ืœืื ื’ืœื™ืช, ืืœื ืœืคื™ื ื ืกื™ื, ืœื‘ื™ืฉื•ืœ, ืœื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืฆื™ื™ื ืช.
18:49
It's really interesting, the trend change, I think.
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ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื”ื˜ืจื ื“ ืžืฉืชื ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘.
18:52
Definitely.
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ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜.
18:53
And about your point regarding, you know, shorter attention span, I really do think
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ื•ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื”ื ืงื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš ืœื’ื‘ื™, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื˜ื•ื•ื— ืงืฉื‘ ืงืฆืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืช ื—ื•ืฉื‘
18:58
that that has a little bit to do with it, if not a lot to do with it.
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ืฉื–ื” ืงืฆืช ืงืฉื•ืจ ืœื–ื”, ืื ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื”.
19:02
I myself find it harder to concentrate for long periods of time, even on things that
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ืœื™ ืขืฆืžื™ ืงืฉื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื”ืชืจื›ื– ืœืคืจืงื™ ื–ืžืŸ ืืจื•ื›ื™ื, ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื
19:07
I enjoy, like a TV show.
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ืฉืื ื™ ื ื”ื ื” ืžื”ื, ื›ืžื• ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ื˜ืœื•ื•ื™ื–ื™ื”.
19:09
I find myself multitasking.
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ืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆื ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืจื™ื‘ื•ื™ ืžืฉื™ืžื•ืช.
19:12
Yeah, it's so hard to sit through a 2-hour movie now.
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ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืงืฉื” ืœืฉื‘ืช ืขืœ ืกืจื˜ ืฉืœ ืฉืขืชื™ื™ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•.
19:17
Iโ€ฆ
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ืื ื™...
19:18
I had that conversation with a friend.
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ื ื™ื”ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืขื ื—ื‘ืจ.
19:20
I wonder if movies will become like 22 minutes long in the future or something.
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ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื” ืื ืกืจื˜ื™ื ื™ื”ืคื›ื• ืœ-22 ื“ืงื•ืช ื‘ืขืชื™ื“ ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”.
19:25
Yeah, that would be crazy, but you know, I don't think it's too far off.
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ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืžื˜ื•ืจืฃ, ืื‘ืœ ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืจื—ื•ืง ืžื“ื™.
19:30
Absolutely.
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ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜.
19:31
So then the therapy degree, how far away?
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ืื– ื”ืชื•ืืจ ื‘ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ, ื›ืžื” ืจื—ื•ืง?
19:34
Oh, sorry, maybe license is the right way to say that.
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ืื”, ืกืœื™ื—ื”, ืื•ืœื™ ืจื™ืฉื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื ื›ื•ื ื” ืœื•ืžืจ ื–ืืช.
19:37
How far away, how far in the future is that for you?
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ื›ืžื” ืจื—ื•ืง, ื›ืžื” ืจื—ื•ืง ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš ื‘ืขืชื™ื“?
19:40
So I have about three more years to work towards that license.
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ืื– ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ื›ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืœืงืจืืช ื”ืจื™ืฉื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”.
19:45
I'm accruing hours so I have to hit, in California, theโ€ฆ the requirements are 3000 hours of
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ืื ื™ ืฆื•ื‘ืจ ืฉืขื•ืช ืื– ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื’ื™ืข, ื‘ืงืœื™ืคื•ืจื ื™ื”, ืœ... ื”ื“ืจื™ืฉื•ืช ื”ืŸ 3000 ืฉืขื•ืช ืฉืœ
19:53
direct clinical work with children and adults.
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ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืงืœื™ื ื™ืช ื™ืฉื™ืจื” ืขื ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื.
19:58
Do you believe you mentioned the amount of time it takes to be an expert?
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ืžืืžื™ืŸ ืฉืฆื™ื™ื ืช ืืช ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืœื•ืงื— ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื•ืžื—ื”?
20:02
Do you believe in the 10,000-hour rule?
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ืžืืžื™ืŸ ื‘ื—ื•ืง 10,000 ื”ืฉืขื•ืช?
20:06
Studying something for 10,000 hours makes you an automatic expert at it, or practicing
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ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืžืฉืš 10,000 ืฉืขื•ืช ื”ื•ืคืš ืื•ืชืš ืœืžื•ืžื—ื” ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ ื‘ื–ื”, ืื• ืœื”ืชืืžืŸ
20:10
for 10,000 hours.
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ื‘ืžืฉืš 10,000 ืฉืขื•ืช.
20:11
I'mโ€ฆ
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ืื ื™...
20:12
I'm wondering your view as a teacher, as an educator, if you believe in that theory.
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ืื ื™ ืชื•ื”ื” ืืช ื”ืฉืงืคืชืš ื›ืžื•ืจื”, ื›ืžื—ื ื›ืช, ืื ืืชื” ืžืืžื™ืŸ ื‘ืชื™ืื•ืจื™ื” ื”ื–ื•.
20:18
I don't think so.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ื›ืš.
20:19
I don't even know exactly how many days or months or years 10,000 hours would amount
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ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืœื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ืื• ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืื• ืฉื ื™ื 10,000 ืฉืขื•ืช ื™ืกืชื›ืžื•
20:25
to.
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20:26
Depends on the person and their schedule I guess, right?
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ืชืœื•ื™ ื‘ืื“ื ื•ื‘ืœื•ื— ื”ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉืœื• ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
20:29
Sure, that's true.
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ื‘ื˜ื—, ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
20:30
UM.
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UM.
20:31
But no, I don't think it's a finite amount of time necessarily.
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ืื‘ืœ ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื”ื• ื›ืžื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืžื•ื’ื‘ืœืช ื‘ื”ื›ืจื—.
20:36
Itโ€ฆ it's a lot of other factors as well, including effort, attention, passion.
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ื–ื”... ื–ื” ื’ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื’ื•ืจืžื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ื›ื•ืœืœ ืžืืžืฅ, ืชืฉื•ืžืช ืœื‘, ืชืฉื•ืงื”.
20:43
Uhm, yeah, just a lot of different things put together.
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ืื”ืž, ื›ืŸ, ืจืง ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“.
20:48
Do you think English education has changed over the years?
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ื”ืื ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืฉืชื ื” ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื?
20:52
We talked about how people get their content these days through different social media
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ื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ืขืœ ืื™ืš ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืืช ื”ืชื•ื›ืŸ ืฉืœื”ื ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื• ื“ืจืš
20:59
services.
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ืฉื™ืจื•ืชื™ ืžื“ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ืฉื•ื ื™ื.
21:00
Do you think that the students, the information that theyโ€ฆ that they want or the information
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื, ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ืฉื”ื... ืฉื”ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืื• ื”ืžื™ื“ืข
21:05
that they get has changed over the years?
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ืฉื”ื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื”ืฉืชื ื” ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื?
21:08
Umm, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if teachers are already doing what we talked
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ืืžืž, ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ืืชืคืœื ืื ื”ืžื•ืจื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ืžื” ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื•
21:15
about earlier, giving smaller snippets of information.
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ืขืœื™ื• ืงื•ื“ื, ื•ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืงื˜ืขื™ ืžื™ื“ืข ืงื˜ื ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ.
21:20
Like instead of studying from a vocabulary book, students might be following a teacher
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ื›ืžื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžืชื•ืš ืกืคืจ ืื•ืฆืจ ืžื™ืœื™ื, ื™ื™ืชื›ืŸ ืฉืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืื—ืจ ืžื•ืจื”
21:27
who does one vocab word a day.
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ืฉืžืฉืžื™ืข ืžื™ืœื” ืื—ืช ื‘ื™ื•ื.
21:30
And puts it in aโ€ฆ a visual context of where they're showing it, you know, in a video or
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ื•ืžืฆื™ื‘ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื”ืงืฉืจ ื—ื–ื•ืชื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื ืฉื‘ื• ื”ื ืžืจืื™ื ืืช ื–ื”, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืื•
21:36
in a picture.
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ื‘ืชืžื•ื ื”.
21:37
So I would assume also it's a lot more visual.
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ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉื–ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ื™ื–ื•ืืœื™.
21:41
Uhm, yeah.
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ืืžืž, ื›ืŸ.
21:42
Do you have a favorite English word?
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ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืžื™ืœื” ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืื”ื•ื‘ื”?
21:44
I'mโ€ฆ
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ืื ื™...
21:45
I'm totally putting you on the spot here, and I apologize for that.
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ืื ื™ ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืฉื ืื•ืชืš ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืžืงื•ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืชื ืฆืœ ืขืœ ื›ืš.
21:48
No, that's OK.
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ืœื ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
21:50
The first word that comes to mind is โ€˜goggleโ€™.
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ื”ืžื™ืœื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืขื•ืœื” ื‘ืจืืฉ ื”ื™ื 'ืžืฉืงืฃ ืžื’ืŸ'.
21:52
OK.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
21:53
I just think it's just such a silly word.
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ืื ื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื• ืžื™ืœื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื˜ื•ืคืฉืช.
21:55
And I love that someoneโ€ฆ
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ื•ืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืืช ื”ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื–ื”...
21:56
I don't know the root of it, but I just love that wherever it came from, the word goggle
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ื”ืฉื•ืจืฉ ืฉืœ ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืฉืžืžื ื• ื–ื” ื‘ื, ื”ืžื™ืœื” ืžืฉืงืคื™ื™ื
22:01
just sounds funny.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื ืฉืžืขืช ืžืฆื—ื™ืงื”.
22:02
It sounds like you're mispronouncing an Internet search engine.
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ื–ื” ื ืฉืžืข ื›ืื™ืœื• ืืชื” ืžื‘ื˜ื ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืžื ื•ืข ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉ ื‘ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜.
22:06
Yes, yes.
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ื›ืŸ ื›ืŸ.
22:07
Instead of something you wear when you go skiing.
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ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืืชื” ืœื•ื‘ืฉ ื›ืฉืืชื” ืขื•ืฉื” ืกืงื™.
22:10
Right, right.
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ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
22:11
So the origins of words are always interesting.
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ืื– ืžืงื•ืจ ื”ืžื™ืœื™ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ.
22:15
So, I think of silly words, silly sounding words like that, where they might have come
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ืื–, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืขืœ ืžื™ืœื™ื ืžื˜ื•ืคืฉื•ืช, ืžื™ืœื™ื ืฉื ืฉืžืขื•ืช ืžื˜ื•ืคืฉื•ืช ื›ืืœื”, ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ืŸ ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื’ื™ืขื•
22:19
from.
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22:20
Or did someone just make a sound and decide that was the word to describe this object?
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ืื• ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืฉืžื™ืข ืงื•ืœ ื•ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืฉื–ื• ื”ืžื™ืœื” ืœืชืืจ ืืช ื”ื—ืคืฅ ื”ื–ื”?
22:24
One of the common questions that teachers get when they are being interviewed is a question
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ืื—ืช ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ื”ื ืคื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืžื•ืจื™ื ื›ืฉื”ื ืžืชืจืื™ื™ื ื™ื ื”ื™ื ืฉืืœื”
22:30
that I will ask you next.
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ืฉืืฉืืœ ืื•ืชืš ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš.
22:33
In your expert opinion for students, what do you think is theโ€ฆ or should be the main
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ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ืžื•ืžื—ื” ืœืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ื™ื, ืžื”ื• ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”... ืื• ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
22:40
focus of an English language studentโ€™s study?
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ื”ืžื•ืงื“ ื”ืขื™ืงืจื™ ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืฉืœ ืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ ื‘ืฉืคื” ื”ืื ื’ืœื™ืช?
22:44
Conversation, reading, vocabulary, grammar, listening.
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ืฉื™ื—ื”, ืงืจื™ืื”, ืื•ืฆืจ ืžื™ืœื™ื, ื“ืงื“ื•ืง, ื”ืงืฉื‘ื”.
22:48
Those are kind of the five main elements, right?
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ืืœื• ื”ื ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื—ืžืฉืช ื”ืืœืžื ื˜ื™ื ื”ืขื™ืงืจื™ื™ื, ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
22:50
Do you think one isn't any more important than the other?
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ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื—ื“ ืœื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื”ืฉื ื™?
22:56
I think I don't know if I can say that one is more important than the other, but I do
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉืื—ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื”ืฉื ื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ืŸ
23:02
think that learning how to speak and listen first, and preferably if possible in a natural
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ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื•ืœื”ืงืฉื™ื‘, ื•ืจืฆื•ื™ ืื ืืคืฉืจ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื˜ื‘ืขื™ืช
23:11
manner by conversing with other English speakers, or conversing with people who are also learning
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ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืฉื™ื—ื” ืขื ื“ื•ื‘ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืื—ืจื™ื, ืื• ืฉื™ื—ื” ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื’ื ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื
23:18
you're like yourself, can make it easier to pick up on the other skills like reading and
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ืฉืืชื” ื“ื•ืžื” ืœืขืฆืžืš, ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืงืœ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื’ืช ืžื™ื•ืžื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช ื›ืžื• ืงืจื™ืื”
23:24
grammar.
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ื•ื“ืงื“ื•ืง.
23:26
Very good information from an expert teacher.
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ืžื™ื“ืข ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืžื•ืจื” ืžื•ืžื—ื”.
23:28
Start with your speaking and listening and then everything else will get easier from
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ื”ืชื—ืœ ืขื ื”ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ื•ื”ื”ืงืฉื‘ื” ืฉืœืš ื•ืื– ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืืจ ื™ื”ื™ื” ืงืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ
23:32
there.
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ืžืฉื.
23:33
All right.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
23:34
Well, I know because you said earlier you don't like to toot your own horn or blow your
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืืžืจืช ืงื•ื“ื ืฉืืชื” ืœื ืื•ื”ื‘ ืœื˜ืœื˜ืœ ื‘ืขืฆืžืš ืื• ืœืชืงื•ืข
23:38
own horn, which means to brag about yourself.
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ื‘ืงืจืŸ ืฉืœืš, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื”ืชืคืืจ ื‘ืขืฆืžืš.
23:40
But I have to ask you, why should students go to Shaw Education on YouTube or the website
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืื•ืชืš, ืœืžื” ืœืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ืœ-Shaw Education ื‘ื™ื•ื˜ื™ื•ื‘ ืื• ื‘ืืชืจ
23:47
and watch your videos?
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ื•ืœืฆืคื•ืช ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš?
23:50
Uhm, I think that my videos are very simple and straightforward.
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ืืžืž, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืคืฉื•ื˜ื™ื ื•ื™ืฉื™ืจื™ื.
23:58
They are easy to follow, they have a lot of great examples, a lot of encouragement.
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ืงืœ ืœืขืงื•ื‘ ืื—ืจื™ื”ื, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื•ื’ืžืื•ืช ื ื”ื“ืจื•ืช, ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขื™ื“ื•ื“.
24:05
And, umโ€ฆ
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ื•, ืืžืž...
24:07
I think that they areโ€ฆ the word of the day approachable.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื... ืžื™ืœืช ื”ื™ื•ื ื ื’ื™ืฉื”.
24:11
They'reโ€ฆ they're not too challenging, and yet you can choose between a variety of levels
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ื”ื... ื”ื ืœื ืžืืชื’ืจื™ื ืžื“ื™, ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืจืžื•ืช
24:17
that you're looking to learn.
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ืฉืืชื” ืžื—ืคืฉ ืœืœืžื•ื“.
24:18
And not only that, you get to learn about the teachers that are behind the videos and
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ื•ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ื” ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืžื•ืจื™ื ืฉืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื
24:23
learn a little bit about their journeys and so you really get to connect with the person
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ื•ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืงืฆืช ืขืœ ื”ืžืกืขื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื ื•ื›ืš ืืชื” ื‘ืืžืช ื–ื•ื›ื” ืœื”ืชื—ื‘ืจ ืœืื“ื
24:29
who's teaching you English while also taking in the content in a way that is.
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ืฉืžืœืžื“ ืื•ืชืš ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืชื•ืš ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ืœื•ืงื— ืืช ื”ืชื•ื›ืŸ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื .
24:35
Not too challenging yet there is some variety in what you're learning.
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ืœื ืžืืชื’ืจ ืžื“ื™ ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื™ืฉ ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืžืกื•ื™ื ื‘ืžื” ืฉืืชื” ืœื•ืžื“.
24:39
Do you have any particular level that you enjoy making videos for?
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ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืจืžื” ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช ืฉืืชื” ื ื”ื ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืœื” ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื?
24:44
I've seen some of your videos for very beginner levels, and I do agree with you by the way,
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ืจืื™ืชื™ ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš ืœืจืžื•ืช ืžืชื—ื™ืœื•ืช ืžืื•ื“, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืกื›ื™ื ืื™ืชืš ืื’ื‘,
24:50
you have a wonderful speaking voice.
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ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืงื•ืœ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ื ืคืœื.
24:52
Your enunciation is so clear and that would make a student feel so comfortable.
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ื”ื”ืชื‘ื˜ืื•ืช ืฉืœืš ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืจื•ืจื” ื•ื–ื” ื™ื’ืจื•ื ืœืชืœืžื™ื“ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ื ื•ื—.
24:58
So, do you prefer making videos for the beginner level, intermediate level, advanced level?
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ืื–, ื”ืื ืืชื” ืžืขื“ื™ืฃ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืœืจืžืช ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื, ืœืจืžื” ื‘ื™ื ื•ื ื™ืช, ืœืจืžื” ืžืชืงื“ืžืช?
25:04
Or is there really no difference for you?
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ืื• ืฉื‘ืืžืช ืื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื“ืœ ืขื‘ื•ืจืš?
25:07
No difference.
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ืื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื“ืœ.
25:08
I really do enjoy all levels and it's always just a really fun time for me getting together
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ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืช ื ื”ื ื” ืžื›ืœ ื”ืจืžื•ืช ื•ื–ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื–ืžืŸ ืžืžืฉ ื›ื™ืฃ ืขื‘ื•ืจื™ ืœื”ื™ืคื’ืฉ
25:14
with Robin, recording and working as a team.
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ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ, ืœื”ืงืœื™ื˜ ื•ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื›ืฆื•ื•ืช.
25:17
Well, we're about to wrap things up, but there was a guest here before we started our interview
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ืœืกื™ื™ื ืืช ื”ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื›ืืŸ ืื•ืจื— ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•
25:23
andโ€ฆ and the guest has disappeared somewhere.
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ื•... ื•ื”ืื•ืจื— ื ืขืœื ืื™ืคืฉื”ื•.
25:26
Your roommate, I think at the House, is he gone?
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ื”ืฉื•ืชืฃ ืฉืœืš ืœื—ื“ืจ, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื”ื•ื ืื™ื ื ื•?
25:29
Is the is the catโ€ฆ is the cat not around right now?
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื—ืชื•ืœ... ื”ืื ื”ื—ืชื•ืœ ืœื ื ืžืฆื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
25:33
He's sitting across from me.
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ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ืžื•ืœื™.
25:34
He was sitting right here earlier, but he's decided that he needs a little bit of space,
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ื”ื•ื ื™ืฉื‘ ืžืžืฉ ื›ืืŸ ืงื•ื“ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืฉื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืงืฆืช ืžืงื•ื,
25:39
so he's sitting across from me behind the camera.
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ืื– ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ืžื•ืœื™ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืžืฆืœืžื”.
25:42
He's your producer, then.
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ื”ื•ื ื”ืžืคื™ืง ืฉืœืš, ืื ื›ืš.
25:44
He's making sure I don't mess up.
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ื”ื•ื ื“ื•ืื’ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืื‘ืœื’ืŸ.
25:46
He's on the other side of the glass.
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ื”ื•ื ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ื›ื•ืก.
25:48
Well, if we have a chance to meet again in the future, maybe we can say hello to your
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืื ืชื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœื”ื™ืคื’ืฉ ืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ืขืชื™ื“, ืื•ืœื™ ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉืœื•ื
25:52
cute little cat.
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ืœื—ืชื•ืœ ื”ืงื˜ืŸ ื•ื”ื—ืžื•ื“ ืฉืœืš.
25:54
Where can we find?
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ืื™ืคื” ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืžืฆื•ื?
25:55
OK, so give us all the information on where we can go and find you if there's any information
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ืื•ืงื™ื™, ืื– ืชืŸ ืœื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ืœืืŸ ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืœื›ืช ื•ืœืžืฆื•ื ืื•ืชืš ืื ื™ืฉ ืžื™ื“ืข
26:00
you want to share on YouTube or things like that.
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ืฉืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืชืฃ ื‘-YouTube ืื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”.
26:03
Uhm, the best way to get in touch with me is to e-mail.
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ืืžืž, ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื™ ืงืฉืจ ื”ื™ื ืœืฉืœื•ื— ืื™ืžื™ื™ืœ.
26:06
You can find the e-mail address on our YouTube page.
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ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืืช ื›ืชื•ื‘ืช ื”ื“ื•ืืจ ื”ืืœืงื˜ืจื•ื ื™ ื‘ืขืžื•ื“ ื”ื™ื•ื˜ื™ื•ื‘ ืฉืœื ื•.
26:10
Very good.
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ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“.
26:11
Well, Esther, it was a delight to speak with you today.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืืกืชืจ, ื”ื™ื” ืชืขื ื•ื’ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชืš ื”ื™ื•ื.
26:13
Thank you so much for sharing a little bit about your story.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืขืœ ืฉืฉื™ืชืคืช ืงืฆืช ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœืš.
26:17
Congratulations on the unbelievable success of your videos with Shaw English.
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ืžื–ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื”ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื”ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื” ืฉืœ ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœืš ืขื ืฉืื• ืื ื’ืœื™ืช.
26:24
Good luck with your therapy study in the future.
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ื‘ื”ืฆืœื—ื” ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ืฉืœืš ื‘ืขืชื™ื“.
26:27
And I do hope that we will have an opportunity to chat again one day.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉืชื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœืฉื•ื—ื— ืฉื•ื‘ ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“.
26:30
It was a real pleasure for me.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืชืขื ื•ื’ ืืžื™ืชื™ ืขื‘ื•ืจื™.
26:32
Thank you so much.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืœืš.
26:33
Thank you so much, Steve, for having me.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืœืš, ืกื˜ื™ื‘, ืฉื”ื–ืžื ืช ืื•ืชื™.
26:35
I had a great time as well.
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ื’ื ืื ื™ ื ื”ื ื™ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“.
26:36
OK, by Esther and by producer cat.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืžืืช ืืกืชืจ ื•ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื—ืชื•ืœ ื”ืžืคื™ืง.
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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