An Interview with ESTHER about Teaching English

Welcome to another edition of Speak English fluently.

“Ingliz tilida ravon gapiring”ning navbatdagi nashriga xush kelibsiz.

I'm your host, Steve Hatherly.

Men sizning uy egasiman, Stiv Xeterli.

My guest today is quite the celebrity in the English education field.

Mening bugungi mehmonim ingliz ta'limi sohasida juda mashhur.

She started teaching English in Korea way back in 2008 after studying psychology for

U Koreyada ingliz tilidan dars berishni 2008 yilda

her undergraduate degree.

bakalavriatda psixologiya fakultetida o‘qiganidan so‘ng boshlagan.

And now she's actually studying to be a therapist.

Va endi u haqiqatan ham terapevt bo'lishni o'rganmoqda.

We will talk about that a little bit today.

Bugun biz bu haqda bir oz gaplashamiz.

She is the top English teacher for Shaw Education.

U Shaw Education uchun eng yaxshi ingliz tili o'qituvchisi.

She has over, I think if we count correctly, 160 videos on the website now.

U tugadi, menimcha, agar biz to'g'ri hisoblasak, hozir veb-saytda 160 ta video bor.

Although that number might be a little bit higher, we'd have to count more accurately.

Bu raqam biroz yuqoriroq bo'lsa-da, biz aniqroq hisoblashimiz kerak edi.

Those videos are there for your viewing pleasure and your education pleasure, of course.

Bu videolar, albatta, tomosha qilish va ta'lim olish zavqi uchun mavjud.

She covers grammar, vocabulary, listening and conversation in her videos.

U o'z videolarida grammatika, lug'at, tinglash va suhbatni qamrab oladi.

And we will have a conversation today.

Va bugun biz suhbatlashamiz.

Welcome Esther, should I say Ester sonsangnim, Esther teacher, Miss Esther?

Xush kelibsiz Ester, Ester sonsangnim, Ester ustoz, Miss Ester deyishim kerakmi?

Welcome regardless to Speak English Fluently.

Ingliz tilida ravon gapirishdan qat'i nazar, xush kelibsiz.

Thank you so much for having me, Steve.

Menga ega bo'lganingiz uchun katta rahmat, Stiv.

And you can call me Esther.

Va siz meni Ester deb atashingiz mumkin.

That's totally fine.

Bu mutlaqo yaxshi.

Very good.

Juda yaxshi.

Well, thank you once again for joining today.

Xo'sh, bugun qo'shilganingiz uchun yana bir bor rahmat.

OK, so let's talk about your career then.

Mayli, keling, karerangiz haqida gapiraylik.

You are from the United States, and you are currently residing in the United States.

Siz Amerika Qo'shma Shtatlaridansiz va hozirda Qo'shma Shtatlarda istiqomat qilyapsiz.

You studied psychology in school.

Siz maktabda psixologiya bo'yicha o'qigansiz.

Did you move to Korea after university in America or was there a time period between?

Amerikadagi universitetdan so'ng Koreyaga ko'chib o'tdingizmi yoki orada vaqt bormi?

Actually, I moved to Korea right after I graduated from university.

Aslida universitetni tamomlaganimdan so'ng Koreyaga ko'chib o'tdim.

It’s a funny story.

Bu kulgili hikoya.

I was supposed to go there for a 15-day graduation trip and ended up staying for 9 years.

Men u yerga 15 kunlik bitiruv safariga borishim kerak edi va 9 yil qoldim.

So pretty much right after I graduated.

Men o'qishni tugatganimdan so'ng deyarli.

Let's… yeah, I mean everybody was surprised and yeah, it's… it was a wonderful time

Kelinglar... ha, aytmoqchimanki, hamma hayron bo'ldi va ha, bu... u erda ajoyib vaqt

there.

edi.

That's such a common story though, isn't it?

Bu juda oddiy hikoya, shunday emasmi?

You know, people move to Korea and then the plan is to stay for a short time.

Bilasizmi, odamlar Koreyaga ko'chib o'tadi, keyin esa qisqa muddat qolish rejasi bor.

But they end up staying for a long time.

Ammo ular uzoq vaqt qolishadi.

People fall in love with Korea, don't they?

Odamlar Koreyani sevib qolishadi, shunday emasmi?

Yes, and I miss it so much.

Ha, va men uni juda sog'indim.

I can't wait to go back and visit sometime in the near future, and I've heard countless

Men yaqin kelajakda qaytib borishni va tashrif buyurishni kuta olmayman va men son-sanoqsiz

stories and have many friends who had similar experiences.

hikoyalarni eshitdim va shunga o'xshash tajribaga ega bo'lgan ko'plab do'stlarim bor.

When you moved to Korea, did you have plans of teaching English?

Koreyaga ko'chib kelganingizda ingliz tilini o'rgatish rejalaringiz bormidi?

I guess not, because you were only planning on being here for a couple of weeks.

O'ylaymanki, yo'q, chunki siz bu erda bir necha hafta bo'lishni rejalashtirgan edingiz.

That's correct.

Bu to'g'ri.

I had a friend from college who lived in Korea and was studying abroad in the US when we

Men uchrashganimizda Koreyada yashagan va AQShda chet elda o'qiyotgan kollejdagi do'stim bor edi

met, and she heard of a job opportunity, asked me if I'd be interested in interviewing, and

va u ish topish imkoniyati haqida eshitib, mendan intervyu olishim mumkinmi, deb so'radi va

I got the job.

men ishga joylashdim.

And that's how I ended up staying for a lot longer than I had ever planned.

Shunday qilib, men rejalashtirganimdan ham ko'proq vaqt qoldim.

Wow, so what made you interested in teaching English then?

Voy, o'shanda sizni ingliz tilini o'rgatishga nima qiziqtirgan?

Because it came to you very suddenly, I guess in in your life, right?

Bu sizga to'satdan kelgani uchun, menimcha, sizning hayotingizda, shunday emasmi?

Yeah, I have always really enjoyed working with young people and children.

Ha, men har doim yoshlar va bolalar bilan ishlashni juda yoqtirganman.

When I was young, I wanted to be a teacher or an artist, but I think my teaching abilities

Yoshligimda men o'qituvchi yoki rassom bo'lishni xohlardim, lekin o'ylaymanki, mening o'qituvchilik qobiliyatim

out… outway… are stronger than my artistic abilities, although I am very creative.

... tashqarida ... badiiy qobiliyatlarimdan kuchliroqdir, garchi men juda ijodiy bo'lsam ham.

So yeah, I…

Demak, ha, men...

I have always been interested in teaching and this opportunity did fall in my lap and

Men doimo o'qituvchilik qilishga qiziqib kelganman va bu imkoniyat mening quchog'imga tushdi va

I took the opportunity.

men imkoniyatdan foydalandim.

I guess I seized the opportunity and never looked back.

O'ylaymanki, men imkoniyatdan foydalandim va hech qachon orqaga qaramadim.

Carpe Diem moment for you.

Siz uchun Carpe Diem lahzasi.

So how did you become involved with Shaw education?

Xo'sh, qanday qilib Shou ta'limiga qo'shilib qoldingiz?

Um, so between teaching jobs, I had taken a little bit of a break to go back and visit

Shunday qilib, o'qituvchilik ishlari orasida men oilamga qaytib borish uchun biroz tanaffus

my family.

oldim.

And when I came back to Korea, I didn't have another job lined up.

Koreyaga qaytib kelganimda esa boshqa ishim yo'q edi.

And so I was looking.

Va shuning uchun men qidirdim.

I wanted to do some part time jobs or some tutoring jobs.

Men yarim kunlik ishlarni yoki repetitorlik ishlarini qilishni xohlardim.

I was looking for some jobs that would give me a little bit more freedom than working

Men odatiy xagvon yoki ingliz instituti yoki akademiyasida

at the kind of typical hagwon or English institution or Academy.

ishlashdan ko'ra menga biroz ko'proq erkinlik beradigan ish izlayotgan edim .

And so I was…

Men ham shunday edim...

I was tutoring.

Repetitorlik qilardim.

I was doing part time work, doing some research and development for some hagwons, and then

Men yarim kunlik ish bilan shug'ullanardim, ba'zi xagvonlar uchun tadqiqot va ishlanmalar bilan shug'ullanardim, keyin

I came across an ad from Shaw English, looking for teachers to shoot some videos teaching

men Shaw English kompaniyasining reklamasiga duch keldim va ingliz tilini o'rgatadigan videolarni suratga olish uchun o'qituvchilarni

English.

qidirdim .

And I thought I'd give it a shot.

Va men buni sinab ko'raman deb o'yladim.

So another opportunity that just fell on my lap.

Shunday qilib, mening tizzamga tushgan yana bir imkoniyat.

I'm curious to know where you saw the advertisement, because that's exactly how I came to Korea

Reklamani qayerda ko'rganingizni bilmoqchiman, chunki men Koreyaga

originally as well.

dastlab aynan shunday kelganman.

It was a really small advertisement in the bottom right corner of the newspaper that

Bu gazetaning pastki o'ng burchagida

said teach English in Korea.

Koreyada ingliz tilini o'rgating, degan juda kichik reklama edi.

So where was your Shaw Education advertisement?

Xo'sh, Shaw Education reklamangiz qayerda edi?

I want to know.

Bilishni xohlayman.

That's a funny story.

Bu kulgili hikoya.

Well, my, uh, the ad that I saw was on Craigslist, I believe so, yeah, very funny 'cause I don't

Xo'sh, mening, uh, men ko'rgan reklama Craigslist-da edi, men shunday deb o'ylayman, ha, juda kulgili, chunki men

really know anybody who used Craigslist in Korea maybe.

Koreyada Craigslist-dan foydalangan hech kimni bilmayman.

So I just got very lucky I guess.

Shunday qilib, men juda omadli bo'ldim.

Yeah, maybe to buy a sofa or something like that, but not to start this amazingly successful,

Ha, ehtimol divan yoki shunga o'xshash narsalarni sotib olish uchun, lekin bu ajoyib muvaffaqiyatni boshlash uchun emas,

you know, online English education career.

bilasizmi, onlayn ingliz tili ta'limi karerasini.

That's a very rare story.

Bu juda kam uchraydigan hikoya.

Exactly.

Aynan.

What year was that that you got started with Shaw?

Shou bilan nechanchi yilda ish boshlagansiz?

I believe that was 2012.

O'ylaymanki, bu 2012 yil edi.

OK, so it's been quite a long time, then, that you've been making videos for Shaw education.

Xo'sh, siz Shou ta'limi uchun videolar yaratganingizga ancha vaqt bo'ldi.

You did that while you were here in Korea, but after moving back to the United States,

Siz Koreyada bo'lganingizda shunday qildingiz, ammo Qo'shma Shtatlarga qaytganingizdan keyin

you continued working with Shaw.

Shou bilan ishlashni davom ettirdingiz.

Was that in the plans or… because usually when people leave Korea, they kind of leave

Bu rejalardami yoki... chunki odatda odamlar Koreyani tark etganda,

perhaps, not always, but sometimes leave the English education part of their life behind.

ehtimol, har doim ham emas, balki ba'zan hayotlarining ingliz tilidagi ta'lim qismini ortda qoldiradilar.

But you took it with you.

Lekin siz uni o'zingiz bilan olib ketdingiz.

Yeah, that was actually never part of the plan.

Ha, bu hech qachon rejaning bir qismi bo'lmagan.

I didn't expect things to take off the way they did.

Men voqealar avvalgidek ketishini kutmagan edim.

I worked for maybe two months, I think with Robin in 2012 and I thought that was the end

Men ikki oy ishladim, Robin bilan 2012-yilda ishladim va bu nihoyasiga yetdi deb o‘yladim

of it and I think we reconnected maybe around 2015.

va

Team and started talking about let's make some more videos and even though I've moved

2015-yilda qayta bog‘landik

to the states, Robin has come here and we've done some more content in the USA and I've…

. shtatlari, Robin bu erga keldi va biz AQShda yana bir qancha tarkibni qildik va men ...

Wow.

Voy.

Yeah, and I've flown back to Korea as well to make more videos.

Ha, va men ko'proq videolar qilish uchun Koreyaga qaytib keldim.

So was that, does that mean then that the videos that you made in the beginning were

Shunday bo'ldimi, demak, siz boshida qilgan videolaringiz

so well received or so popular that Robin thought, wait, we have a good opportunity

shunchalik yaxshi qabul qilingan yoki shu qadar mashhur bo'lganki, Robin, kuting, bizda

to make some more success here?

yana muvaffaqiyat qozonish uchun yaxshi imkoniyat bor, deb o'yladimi?

I definitely think so, yeah.

Men, albatta, shunday deb o'ylayman, ha.

I didn't expect it, but they did take off.

Men buni kutmagan edim, lekin ular uchib ketishdi.

Can you remember the very first video that you made, I wonder?

Qiziq, siz yaratgan birinchi videoni eslay olasizmi?

I I'm not sure, but I if I were to take a guess.

Ishonchim komil emas, lekin taxmin qilishim kerak edi.

I would guess the ‘can and can’t’ and some of the very simple basic skills.

Men "mumkin va mumkin emas" va juda oddiy asosiy ko'nikmalarni taxmin qilgan bo'lardim.

So in your videos, I talked about it in the opening a little bit conversation, you covered

Shunday qilib, sizning videolaringizda, men bu haqda kichik suhbatning ochilishida gapirgan edim, siz buni yoritgansiz

that.

.

You cover a lot of different things in your videos.

Videolaringizda juda ko'p turli narsalarni yoritgansiz.

And some of your videos are quite long as well, although they're put together I think

Va sizning ba'zi videolaringiz juda uzun, lekin ular birlashtirilgan bo'lsa-da, menimcha,

3 hours, some 5 hours some.

3 soat, ba'zilari esa 5 soat.

But yeah, different topics, conversation, speaking, all these different types of things.

Ha, har xil mavzular, suhbatlar, nutqlar, bularning barchasi turli xil narsalar.

When you started making videos again, did you know that you wanted to cover many different

Qaytadan video yaratishni boshlaganingizda, videongizda turli

topics in your video?

mavzularni yoritmoqchi

No, but I did always enjoy the storytelling videos, which were a little more casual, a

ekanligingizni bilarmidingiz ? Yo'q, lekin men har doim bir oz tasodifiy,

little less formal.

biroz rasmiyroq bo'lgan hikoya qiluvchi videolarni yoqtirardim.

We haven't done any kind of storytelling videos in a while, but I'm looking forward to picking

Biz bir muncha vaqtdan beri hikoya qiluvchi videolar yaratmadik, lekin men

up on those again.

ularni yana ko'rishni intiqlik bilan kutyapman.

And there was a video where Robin asked me really quick-fire 100 questions and that was

Robin menga haqiqatan ham 100 ta savol bergan video bor edi va bu ham

a lot of fun as well.

juda qiziqarli edi.

I…

Men...

I did one of those videos too, for Robin.

Robin uchun o'sha videolardan birini ham qildim.

It was…

Bu...

It was a lot of fun.

Bu juda qiziqarli edi.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever been asked 100 questions in a row before in such quick-fire,

Ha, menimcha, men hech qachon bunday tez va

quick-fire fashion.

tez yonish uslubida ketma-ket 100 ta savol bermaganman.

But yeah, those are fun to do.

Lekin ha, buni qilish qiziqarli.

Right.

To'g'ri.

I saw one of your videos has 17,155,940 views and that number is probably higher as we are

Men sizning videolaringizdan biri 17 155 940 marta ko‘rilganini ko‘rdim va bu raqam

speaking right now.

hozir gaplashayotganimizdan ko‘ra yuqoriroqdir.

So I wonder, in your opinion as a teacher, as a star teacher, what makes your videos

Shunday ekan, hayronman, o‘qituvchi, yulduz o‘qituvchi sifatida sizning fikringizcha, videolaringizni

so popular, do you think?

bunchalik mashhur qilishiga nima sabab bo‘lmoqda?

It's hard to say, um, when I read the comments, I just feel like people connect with me.

Komentariyalarni o‘qiganimda, odamlar men bilan bog‘lanib qolgandek tuyuladi, deyish qiyin.

Uhm, I have heard that I speak very clearly.

Uh, men juda aniq gapirganimni eshitdim.

And I think that is helpful for a lot of English learners.

Va menimcha, bu ko'plab ingliz tilini o'rganuvchilar uchun foydalidir.

Uhm, you know, I don't know.

Uh, bilasizmi, men bilmayman.

But I really, really just appreciate all the love and kind comments and questions people

Lekin men haqiqatan ham odamlar

have left.

qoldirgan barcha sevgi va mehribon sharhlar va savollarni juda qadrlayman.

Yeah, those comments really make you feel great, don't they?

Ha, bu sharhlar sizni juda yaxshi his qiladi, shunday emasmi?

Because it makes you realize that you're making an impact.

Chunki bu sizga ta'sir o'tkazayotganingizni anglab etadi.

You're having a positive influence on someone’s life, and as someone who is studying to be

Siz kimningdir hayotiga ijobiy ta'sir o'tkazyapsiz va terapevt bo'lishni o'rgangan va avval psixologiyani o'rgangan odam sifatida,

a therapist and studied psychology before, I'm guessing that that's really quite important

bu shaxsan siz uchun

for you personally.

juda muhim deb o'ylayman

Yes, it's very rewarding just to know that I am helping people.

. Ha, men odamlarga yordam berayotganimni bilish juda foydali.

And just that ---I'm making some kind of impact.

Va shunchaki ---Men qandaydir ta'sir qilyapman.

It feels really wonderful.

Bu haqiqatan ham ajoyib his.

Do you remember the moment when you realized, oh wow, these videos are becoming quite popular?

Voy, bu videolar juda mashhur bo'lib borayotganini tushungan paytingiz esingizdami?

Because in the beginning you only worked with Robin for a couple of months.

Chunki boshida siz Robin bilan bir-ikki oygina ishlagansiz.

There was a break time there, a long break time.

U yerda tanaffus, uzoq vaqt tanaffus bor edi.

And then you started making videos again.

Va keyin yana video yaratishni boshladingiz.

Do you remember, was there any particular video or any particular time when you realized,

Esingizdami

oh, this is going to be quite successful?

, bu juda muvaffaqiyatli bo'lishini tushunganingizda biron bir video yoki biron bir vaqt bormi?

I still don't think it's really hit me.

Hali ham bu menga ta'sir qilgan deb o'ylamayman.

You know, when you say 17 million views, that's shocking…

Bilasizmi, 17 million ko'rish deganingizda, bu hayratlanarli...

That's just that's Justin Bieber territory.

Bu shunchaki Justin Bieber hududi.

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around what that really means to be honest.

Rostini aytsam, bu nimani anglatishini haligacha boshim bilan o'rashga qiynalmoqdaman.

The first time I realized not that this was going to be a big deal or that this was big,

Birinchi marta men bu katta ish bo'lishini yoki bu juda katta ekanligini anglamaganman,

but the first time that I thought this is more than just the two months kind of commitment

lekin birinchi marta Robin bilan qilgan

I had made with Robin initially, was when a colleague of mine at a hagwon was preparing

ikki oylik majburiyatimdan ko'ra ko'proq narsa deb o'ylaganman , hamkasbim. Men bir xagvonda

a lesson for his class and was looking up some videos on YouTube for resources and said

o'z sinfiga dars tayyorlayotgan edi va YouTube'da manbalar uchun bir nechta videolarni qidirayotgan edi va

to me, is this you?

menga: bu sizmisiz?

And I…

Men esa... Men

That was the first time I realized like while people are getting to my videos when they

birinchi marta odamlar mening videolarimga

search for something really simple for teaching English.

kirishayotganda ingliz tilini o‘rgatish uchun juda oddiy narsani qidirayotganlarida tushundim.

Has it gotten easier over the years because now it's… it's been a long time now, right,

Yillar davomida bu osonlashdimi, chunki endi...

for you to be making videos?

videolar yaratishga ancha vaqt bo'ldi, to'g'rimi?

Has it gotten easier to make these videos or has it gotten more difficult, I wonder?

Qiziq, bu videolarni qilish osonlashdimi yoki qiyinlashdimi?

I don't know if it's gotten more difficult or easier.

Bu qiyinlashdimi yoki osonlashdimi, bilmayman.

Not to toot my own horn, but…

O'z shoximni tishlash uchun emas, lekin...

Please do.

Iltimos, qiling.

That's why we're her, Esther.

Shuning uchun biz unimiz, Ester.

Well, I…

Xo'sh, men...

I was surprised by.. by lack of nervousness.

asabiylik yo'qligi meni hayratda qoldirdi.

I wasn't as nervous as I thought I'd be.

Men o‘ylaganchalik asabiylashmadim.

I think I do OK under pressure.

O'ylaymanki, men bosim ostida yaxshiman.

You know, I have to admit, even before this interview I was pretty nervous.

Bilasizmi, tan olishim kerak, bu intervyudan oldin ham men juda asabiy edim.

But here I am and I'm feeling OK.

Lekin men shu yerdaman va o‘zimni yaxshi his qilyapman.

And even with school presentations and things like that, I really feel nervous before, but

Va hatto maktab taqdimotlari va shunga o'xshash narsalar bilan ham, men oldin asabiylashaman, lekin

in the moment, I tend to do OK.

hozir men OK qilishga moyilman.

Maybe I'm acting a little, I don't know.

Balki biroz harakat qilayotgandirman, bilmayman.

But it… it never felt too difficult.

Lekin bu... hech qachon juda qiyin bo'lmagan.

I guess that's a really good feeling to know though, because…

O'ylaymanki, buni bilish juda yaxshi tuyg'u, chunki…

that's how students of English feel often when they have to speak English and even worse

ingliz tili talabalari ko'pincha ingliz tilida gapirishlari kerak bo'lganda shunday his qilishadi va

when they have to do a presentation in English.

ingliz tilida taqdimot qilishlari kerak bo'lganda

So knowing that feeling, do you think that that maybe makes you an even better teacher?

ham yomonroq . Xo'sh, bu tuyg'uni bilish sizni yanada yaxshi o'qituvchiga aylantiradi deb o'ylaysizmi?

Oh, that's a good question.

Oh, bu yaxshi savol.

I think, yeah.

Menimcha, ha.

You know, before presentations or before an interview, something like this I will often

Bilasizmi, taqdimotdan oldin yoki intervyu oldidan men ko'pincha

also practice either in my head or in front of a mirror.

boshimda yoki ko'zgu oldida mashq qilaman.

I'll do my best to feel that I am well prepared, so I looked at the interview questions ahead

Men yaxshi tayyorgarlik ko'rganimni his qilish uchun qo'limdan kelganini qilaman, shuning uchun men intervyu savollariga oldindan qaradim

of time, or I'll ask about what I can expect and I don't go in blindly.

yoki men nima kutishim mumkinligini so'rayman va men ko'r-ko'rona kirmayman.

I do prepare.

Men tayyorlayman.

And then… and then…

Va keyin… va keyin…

when I… once I'm in it, it doesn't seem as bad because I kind of know what to expect.

men… bir marta unga kirganimda, bu unchalik yomon ko'rinmaydi, chunki men nima kutishni bilaman.

Now, when it comes to maybe like a live lesson or something like that, I may be a little

Endi, ehtimol, jonli dars yoki shunga o'xshash narsalar haqida gap ketganda, men

bit more nervous because things can go wrong.

biroz asabiylashishim mumkin, chunki narsalar noto'g'ri ketishi mumkin.

But in general, if I have some time or ability to prepare, I'll feel a lot better going into

Umuman olganda, agar vaqtim yoki tayyorgarlik ko'rish imkoniyati bo'lsa, men o'zim

the activity that I'm doing.

qilayotgan mashg'ulotga kirishishimni ancha yaxshi his qilaman.

Oh, that's the beauty of live TV or live radio or live streaming, is that, hey, sometimes

Oh, bu jonli televidenie yoki jonli radio yoki jonli efirning go'zalligi, ba'zida

things go wrong and that's OK when that happens too, right?

ishlar noto'g'ri bo'ladi va bu ham sodir bo'lganda yaxshi bo'ladi, shunday emasmi?

Of course, yeah.

Albatta, ha.

Is there any video that comes to mind for you that was the most fun to make, I wonder?

Qiziq, siz uchun eng qiziqarli video bo'lgan video bormi?

I'm going to go back to that 100 questions, rapid questioning video, just because it was

Men o'sha 100 ta savolga, tezkor so'rov videosiga qaytmoqchiman, chunki bu

very casual for that one.

juda tasodifiy edi.

I didn't really have to prepare, and who doesn't like talking about themselves and things that

Men tayyorgarlik ko'rishim shart emas edi va kim o'zi va o'zi yoqtiradigan narsalar haqida gapirishni

they enjoy?

yoqtirmaydi?

Right, that's… that's true.

To'g'ri, bu ... bu haqiqat.

So that was fun.

Shunday qilib, bu qiziqarli edi.

Maybe that's how I should have prepared for this interview today?

Balki bugun intervyuga shunday tayyorgarlik ko'rishim kerakdir?

I should have just prepared 100 questions and just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

Men 100 ta savol tayyorlagan bo'lardim va shunchaki bom, bom, bom, bom, boom, boom,

boom.

boom.

So you're studying to be a therapist now?

Xo'sh, siz hozir terapevt bo'lishni o'rganyapsizmi?

Does that mean that you will stop making English education videos in the future?

Bu kelajakda ingliz tilini o'rgatuvchi videolar yaratishni to'xtatasiz deganimi?

Or will you do those both of those things together in the future?

Yoki kelajakda bu ikkala narsani birgalikda bajarasizmi?

I'm still working on making videos with Robin.

Men hali ham Robin bilan videolar yaratish ustida ishlayapman.

I don't have any plans to stop in the near future.

Yaqin kelajakda to'xtash niyatim yo'q.

Things may slow down depending on how often we're able to travel back and forth and make

Qanchalik tez-tez oldinga va orqaga sayohat qilishimiz va

the videos.

videolar yaratishimiz mumkinligiga qarab ishlar sekinlashishi mumkin.

And you know, I'm always being encouraged to make videos at home right now, however,

Bilasizmi, meni hozir uyda videolar qilishga doim rag'batlantirmoqdalar, ammo

with my studies, and my burgeoning practice, it's a little bit hard to do that.

o'qishim va kuchayib borayotgan amaliyotim tufayli buni qilish biroz qiyin.

So videos may not be coming out as regularly, but I do plan to continue making them.

Shuning uchun videolar muntazam chiqmasligi mumkin, lekin men ularni tayyorlashni davom ettirmoqchiman.

What kind of video schedule do you have now?

Hozir qanday video jadvalingiz bor?

Do you put out videos once a week?

Haftada bir marta video chiqarasizmi?

Once a month?

Oyda bir marta?

What kind of schedule are you on now?

Hozir qanday jadvaldasiz?

Currently, I don't have any kind of regular schedule.

Hozirda menda oddiy jadval yo'q.

It's more so when I'm able to visit Korea, we'll shoot a lot of videos at once and then

Ko'proq Koreyaga tashrif buyurishim mumkin bo'lsa, biz birdaniga ko'plab videolarni suratga olamiz va keyin

they will slowly be edited and then released.

ular asta-sekin tahrirlanadi va keyin chiqariladi.

Wow, you truly are a celebrity, aren't you?

Voy, siz haqiqatan ham mashhur odamsiz, shunday emasmi?

Traveling around the world to film different things.

Turli narsalarni suratga olish uchun dunyo bo'ylab sayohat qilish.

Yeah, when you put it that way.

Ha, siz buni shunday qo'yganingizda.

Yeah, exactly right.

Ha, to'g'ri.

So what are the plans then for content for the future?

Xo'sh, kelajak uchun kontent uchun qanday rejalar bor?

Or… or maybe just things that you think, in your opinion as a teacher, would be really

Yoki... yoki o'qituvchi sifatida sizning fikringizcha,

useful for students these days?

bugungi kunda talabalar uchun haqiqatan ham foydali bo'lishi mumkin deb o'ylagan narsalar?

Well, with TikTok and other social media being so um…

Xo'sh, TikTok va boshqa ijtimoiy tarmoqlar bilan... Bu videolar YouTube'da chiqarilgandan yoki men

It's just really different from when videos were released on YouTube or when I recorded

2012 yilda YouTube uchun ushbu videolarni

these videos for YouTube in 2012.

yozib olganimdan juda farq qiladi

People are consuming social media content in much smaller bits and pieces.

. Odamlar ijtimoiy media kontentini kichikroq qismlarga bo'lib iste'mol qilmoqdalar.

And so, I foresee that if I do make some videos, it will be a lot more casual quick.

Shunday qilib, agar men ba'zi videolar yaratsam, bu juda oddiyroq bo'lishini taxmin qilaman.

UM, maybe uh, more of a glimpse into my daily life.

UM, ehtimol uh, mening kundalik hayotimga ko'proq qarash.

And… and just maybe a little bit more of an approachable, less structured, uhm, lesson.

Va… va ehtimol, bir oz ko'proq qulay, kamroq tuzilgan, uhm, dars.

I'm not sure yet, but I definitely can see that being popular or helpful.

Men hali ishonchim komil emas, lekin buni mashhur yoki foydali ekanligini aniq ko'raman.

That's a really interesting opinion.

Bu haqiqatan ham qiziq fikr.

You know, I've heard so many different teachers say these days.

Bilasizmi, men shu kunlarda juda ko'p turli xil o'qituvchilarning gaplarini eshitdim.

Well, because of the pandemic, it changed education, not just for English, it changed

Pandemiya tufayli u nafaqat ingliz tilini, balki

education as a whole.

taʼlimni ham oʻzgartirdi.

Because so much got put online forcibly, people didn't have a choice, students and teachers.

Majburiy ravishda Internetga ko'p narsa qo'yilganligi sababli, odamlar, talabalar va o'qituvchilarni tanlash imkoniyatiga ega emas edi.

But what's interesting is that the world of social media is now having a great impact

Lekin eng qizig‘i shundaki, ijtimoiy tarmoqlar dunyosi hozir

on how students want to learn and how teachers want to teach.

o‘quvchilarning qanday bilim olishni va o‘qituvchilarning qanday dars berishni xohlashlariga katta ta’sir ko‘rsatmoqda.

And I think it's something maybe you agree or disagree, but to me, it seems like such

Va menimcha, bu siz rozi bo'lgan yoki qo'shilmasligingiz mumkin bo'lgan narsadir, lekin men uchun bu shunday

a juxtapose.

yonma-yon tuyuladi.

Social media and education or social media and English education.

Ijtimoiy media va ta'lim yoki ijtimoiy media va ingliz tili ta'limi.

Those two things don't seem to go together naturally.

Bu ikki narsa tabiiy ravishda bir-biriga mos kelmaydi.

But now teachers, they have to follow that trend, right?

Ammo endi o'qituvchilar, ular bu tendentsiyaga amal qilishlari kerak, to'g'rimi?

And I…

Men esa...

I do see where you're coming from, but I think I myself learn a lot from social media.

Men sizning qayerdan kelayotganingizni ko'raman, lekin men o'zim ijtimoiy tarmoqlardan ko'p narsani o'rganyapman deb o'ylayman.

For example, I'm following a lot of accounts that are teaching me how to make new recipes.

Misol uchun, men yangi retseptlar tayyorlashni o'rgatadigan ko'plab hisoblarni kuzatib boraman.

Account…

Hisob…

Instagram accounts that teach me about finance, which is something I'm interested in learning.

Menga moliya haqida o‘rgatuvchi Instagram akkauntlari, bu men o‘rganishga qiziqaman.

Or about.

Yoki taxminan.

I'm learning a lot about therapy as well.

Men terapiya haqida ham ko'p narsalarni o'rganyapman.

And so I'm learning bits and pieces.

Va shuning uchun men qismlarni va qismlarni o'rganyapman.

And so I do think that maybe the… either the quality of the… or the time it'll take

Va shuning uchun men o'ylaymanki, ehtimol ... sifati ... yoki

to acquire all the knowledge I need to become an expert, will be longer, but at the same

mutaxassis bo'lish uchun zarur bo'lgan barcha bilimlarni olishim uchun kerak bo'ladigan vaqt uzoqroq bo'ladi, lekin shu bilan

time, it… it is more approachable, like I said.

birga, bu ... yanada qulayroqdir. , aytganimdek.

It feels less daunting or it feels like it's not so much I have to try to learn at… at

Bu unchalik qo'rqinchli emas yoki men

once so it can feel like more doable.

bir vaqtning o'zida o'rganishga harakat qilishim kerak emasdek tuyuladi, shunda buni amalga oshirish mumkin bo'ladi.

I guess is another way to put it.

O'ylaymanki, uni qo'yishning yana bir usuli.

Yeah, I guess the world is changing.

Ha, menimcha, dunyo o'zgarmoqda.

People are changing in the sense that I don't know if it's a reduced attention span for

Odamlar o'zgarmoqdaki, bu butun dunyo bo'ylab odamlar uchun e'tiborning qisqarishimi yoki shunchaki odamlar

people around the world or just people have become spoiled with how quickly they can get

o'z mazmunini qanchalik tez olishlari bilan buzilganligini

their content.

bilmayman .

But I think you're right.

Lekin menimcha siz haqsiz.

Shorter videos perhaps, with getting your point - boom, straight to the point.

Qisqaroq videolar, ehtimol, fikringizni tushunish bilan - bum, to'g'ridan-to'g'ri nuqtaga.

And then wrap it up and then, yeah, maybe that's the future of education for not just

Va keyin uni yakunlang va keyin, ha, ehtimol bu nafaqat

English, but finance, cooking, all the things that you mentioned.

ingliz tili, balki moliya, pazandachilik va siz aytgan barcha narsalar uchun ta'limning kelajagidir.

It's really interesting, the trend change, I think.

Menimcha, bu juda qiziq, trend o'zgaradi.

Definitely.

Albatta.

And about your point regarding, you know, shorter attention span, I really do think

Sizning fikringiz haqida, bilasizmi, e'tiborning qisqarishi haqida, menimcha

that that has a little bit to do with it, if not a lot to do with it.

, buning ozgina bo'lsa ham, unga aloqasi bor.

I myself find it harder to concentrate for long periods of time, even on things that

Men o'zimga uzoq vaqt davomida diqqatni jamlash qiyinroq, hatto

I enjoy, like a TV show.

o'zimga yoqadigan narsalarga, masalan, teleko'rsatuvga.

I find myself multitasking.

Men o'zimni ko'p vazifali deb bilaman.

Yeah, it's so hard to sit through a 2-hour movie now.

Ha, hozir 2 soatlik filmni tomosha qilish juda qiyin.

I…

Men...

I had that conversation with a friend.

Men bir do'stim bilan suhbatlashdim.

I wonder if movies will become like 22 minutes long in the future or something.

Qiziq, kelajakda filmlar 22 daqiqaga o'xshab ketadimi yoki boshqa narsa.

Yeah, that would be crazy, but you know, I don't think it's too far off.

Ha, bu aqldan ozgan bo'lardi, lekin bilasizmi, menimcha, bu juda uzoq emas.

Absolutely.

Mutlaqo.

So then the therapy degree, how far away?

Shunday qilib, terapiya darajasi, qanchalik uzoqda?

Oh, sorry, maybe license is the right way to say that.

Kechirasiz, ehtimol litsenziya buni aytishning to'g'ri yo'lidir.

How far away, how far in the future is that for you?

Bu siz uchun qanchalik uzoq, kelajakda qanchalik uzoq?

So I have about three more years to work towards that license.

Demak, bu litsenziya ustida ishlashim uchun yana uch yil bor.

I'm accruing hours so I have to hit, in California, the… the requirements are 3000 hours of

Men soatlarni yig'ib ketyapman, shuning uchun Kaliforniyada ... talablar -

direct clinical work with children and adults.

bolalar va kattalar bilan 3000 soatlik bevosita klinik ish.

Do you believe you mentioned the amount of time it takes to be an expert?

Mutaxassis bo'lish uchun qancha vaqt kerakligini aytganingizga ishonasizmi?

Do you believe in the 10,000-hour rule?

10 000 soatlik qoidaga ishonasizmi?

Studying something for 10,000 hours makes you an automatic expert at it, or practicing

10 000 soat davomida biror narsani o'rganish sizni avtomatik ravishda mutaxassisga aylantiradi yoki

for 10,000 hours.

10 000 soat mashq qiladi.

I'm…

Men...

I'm wondering your view as a teacher, as an educator, if you believe in that theory.

Agar siz bu nazariyaga ishonsangiz, o'qituvchi, o'qituvchi sifatidagi fikringizga qiziqaman.

I don't think so.

Men bunday deb o‘ylamayman.

I don't even know exactly how many days or months or years 10,000 hours would amount

10 000 soat qancha kun yoki oy yoki yil bo'lishini aniq bilmayman

to.

.

Depends on the person and their schedule I guess, right?

Menimcha, bu odamga va ularning jadvaliga bog'liq, to'g'rimi?

Sure, that's true.

Albatta, bu haqiqat.

UM.

UM.

But no, I don't think it's a finite amount of time necessarily.

Lekin yo'q, menimcha, bu cheklangan vaqt emas.

It… it's a lot of other factors as well, including effort, attention, passion.

Bu... boshqa ko'plab omillar, jumladan, harakat, e'tibor, ishtiyoq.

Uhm, yeah, just a lot of different things put together.

Ha, juda ko'p turli xil narsalar birlashtirilgan.

Do you think English education has changed over the years?

Sizningcha, ingliz tilidagi ta'lim yillar davomida o'zgarganmi?

We talked about how people get their content these days through different social media

Biz odamlar bugungi kunda turli xil ijtimoiy media

services.

xizmatlari

Do you think that the students, the information that they… that they want or the information

orqali o'z tarkiblarini qanday olishlari haqida gaplashdik . Sizningcha, talabalar, ular xohlagan ma'lumotlar yoki

that they get has changed over the years?

ular oladigan ma'lumotlar yillar davomida o'zgarganmi?

Umm, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if teachers are already doing what we talked

Hmm, ishonchim komil emas, lekin o'qituvchilar biz

about earlier, giving smaller snippets of information.

avvalroq gaplashgan narsani qilib, kichikroq ma'lumotni berib qo'yishsa, hayron bo'lmayman.

Like instead of studying from a vocabulary book, students might be following a teacher

Xuddi lug'at kitobidan o'rganish o'rniga, talabalar

who does one vocab word a day.

kuniga bitta so'zni bajaradigan o'qituvchiga ergashishlari mumkin.

And puts it in a… a visual context of where they're showing it, you know, in a video or

Va buni... video yoki

in a picture.

rasmda ko'rsatayotgan joyning vizual kontekstiga qo'yadi.

So I would assume also it's a lot more visual.

Shunday qilib, men buni ko'proq vizual deb o'ylayman.

Uhm, yeah.

Uh, ha.

Do you have a favorite English word?

Sevimli inglizcha so'zingiz bormi?

I'm…

Men...

I'm totally putting you on the spot here, and I apologize for that.

Men sizni bu yerda to'liq joyiga qo'yaman va buning uchun uzr so'rayman.

No, that's OK.

Yo‘q, hammasi joyida.

The first word that comes to mind is ‘goggle’.

Aqlga keladigan birinchi so'z bu "ko'zoynak".

OK.

OK.

I just think it's just such a silly word.

Menimcha, bu shunchaki bema'ni so'z.

And I love that someone…

Va men o'sha odamni yaxshi ko'raman...

I don't know the root of it, but I just love that wherever it came from, the word goggle

Men uning ildizini bilmayman, lekin men shunchaki yaxshi ko'raman, u qaerdan kelgan bo'lsa ham, ko'zoynak so'zi

just sounds funny.

shunchaki kulgili eshitiladi.

It sounds like you're mispronouncing an Internet search engine.

Internet qidiruv tizimini noto‘g‘ri talaffuz qilayotganga o‘xshaysiz.

Yes, yes.

Ha, ha.

Instead of something you wear when you go skiing.

Chang'i uchayotganda kiyadigan narsa o'rniga.

Right, right.

To'g'ri, to'g'ri.

So the origins of words are always interesting.

Shunday qilib, so'zlarning kelib chiqishi har doim qiziqarli.

So, I think of silly words, silly sounding words like that, where they might have come

Shunday qilib, men bema'ni so'zlar haqida o'ylayman, shunga o'xshash ahmoqona so'zlar, ular qaerdan kelgan bo'lishi mumkin

from.

.

Or did someone just make a sound and decide that was the word to describe this object?

Yoki kimdir shunchaki ovoz chiqarib, bu ob'ektni tasvirlaydigan so'z deb qaror qildimi?

One of the common questions that teachers get when they are being interviewed is a question

Suhbat chog'ida o'qituvchilarga beriladigan keng tarqalgan savollardan biri

that I will ask you next.

bu men sizga keyingi savoldir.

In your expert opinion for students, what do you think is the… or should be the main

Talabalar uchun ekspert fikringizcha,

focus of an English language student’s study?

ingliz tilini o'rganayotgan talabaning asosiy yo'nalishi... yoki nima bo'lishi kerak deb o'ylaysiz?

Conversation, reading, vocabulary, grammar, listening.

Suhbat, o'qish, lug'at, grammatika, tinglash.

Those are kind of the five main elements, right?

Bular beshta asosiy element, shunday emasmi?

Do you think one isn't any more important than the other?

Sizningcha, biri boshqasidan muhimroq emasmi?

I think I don't know if I can say that one is more important than the other, but I do

O'ylaymanki, biri ikkinchisidan muhimroq deb ayta olamanmi yoki yo'qmi, lekin

think that learning how to speak and listen first, and preferably if possible in a natural

menimcha, birinchi navbatda gapirish va tinglashni o'rganish, iloji bo'lsa, iloji bo'lsa,

manner by conversing with other English speakers, or conversing with people who are also learning

boshqa ingliz tilida so'zlashuvchilar bilan suhbatlashish yoki suhbatlashish orqali tabiiy tarzda

you're like yourself, can make it easier to pick up on the other skills like reading and

Siz o'zingizga o'xshab o'rganayotgan odamlar bilan o'qish va

grammar.

grammatika kabi boshqa ko'nikmalarni egallashni osonlashtirishi mumkin.

Very good information from an expert teacher.

Mutaxassis o'qituvchidan juda yaxshi ma'lumot.

Start with your speaking and listening and then everything else will get easier from

Gapirish va tinglashdan boshlang, shundan keyin hamma narsa osonroq bo'ladi

there.

.

All right.

Hammasi joyida.

Well, I know because you said earlier you don't like to toot your own horn or blow your

Xo'sh, bilaman, chunki siz yuqorida aytganingizdek, siz o'z shoxingizni tishlashni yoki o'z shoxingizni chalishni yoqtirmaysiz

own horn, which means to brag about yourself.

, bu o'zingiz bilan maqtanishni anglatadi.

But I have to ask you, why should students go to Shaw Education on YouTube or the website

Lekin men sizdan so'rashim kerak, nima uchun talabalar YouTube yoki veb-saytdagi Shaw Education ga borib

and watch your videos?

, videolaringizni tomosha qilishlari kerak?

Uhm, I think that my videos are very simple and straightforward.

Uhm, mening videolarim juda sodda va tushunarli deb o'ylayman.

They are easy to follow, they have a lot of great examples, a lot of encouragement.

Ularga ergashish oson, ularda juda ko'p ajoyib misollar, juda ko'p dalda bor.

And, um…

Va, um...

I think that they are… the word of the day approachable.

Menimcha, ular... kunning so'zi bo'lishi mumkin.

They're… they're not too challenging, and yet you can choose between a variety of levels

Ular… ular unchalik qiyin emas, lekin siz

that you're looking to learn.

o‘rganmoqchi bo‘lgan turli darajalardan birini tanlashingiz mumkin.

And not only that, you get to learn about the teachers that are behind the videos and

Va nafaqat bu, balki siz videolar ortida turgan o'qituvchilar haqida ma'lumotga ega

learn a little bit about their journeys and so you really get to connect with the person

bo'lasiz va ularning sayohatlari haqida ozgina ma'lumotga ega bo'lasiz va shuning uchun

who's teaching you English while also taking in the content in a way that is.

sizga ingliz tilini o'rgatayotgan odam bilan haqiqatan ham bog'lanishingiz va mazmunni o'zlashtirishingiz mumkin. .

Not too challenging yet there is some variety in what you're learning.

Siz o'rganayotgan narsangiz juda qiyin emas.

Do you have any particular level that you enjoy making videos for?

Video yaratishni yoqtiradigan darajangiz bormi?

I've seen some of your videos for very beginner levels, and I do agree with you by the way,

Men sizning ba'zi videolaringizni juda boshlang'ich darajalar uchun ko'rdim va siz bilan qo'shilaman,

you have a wonderful speaking voice.

sizda ajoyib gapirish ovozingiz bor.

Your enunciation is so clear and that would make a student feel so comfortable.

Sizning talaffuzingiz juda aniq va bu o'quvchini juda qulay his qiladi.

So, do you prefer making videos for the beginner level, intermediate level, advanced level?

Xo'sh, siz boshlang'ich, o'rta va yuqori daraja uchun video yaratishni afzal ko'rasizmi?

Or is there really no difference for you?

Yoki haqiqatan ham siz uchun hech qanday farq yo'qmi?

No difference.

Farqi yo'q.

I really do enjoy all levels and it's always just a really fun time for me getting together

Men hamma darajadan rohatlanaman va bu men uchun Robin bilan uchrashish, yozib olish va jamoa bo‘lib ishlash

with Robin, recording and working as a team.

har doim juda qiziqarli vaqt .

Well, we're about to wrap things up, but there was a guest here before we started our interview

Xo'sh, biz ishlarni yakunlamoqchimiz, lekin biz suhbatni boshlashdan oldin bu erda bir mehmon bor edi

and… and the guest has disappeared somewhere.

va ... va mehmon qayerdadir g'oyib bo'ldi.

Your roommate, I think at the House, is he gone?

Sizning xonadoshingiz, menimcha, uyda, u ketdimi?

Is the is the cat… is the cat not around right now?

Bu mushukmi... mushuk hozir emasmi?

He's sitting across from me.

U ro‘paramda o‘tiribdi.

He was sitting right here earlier, but he's decided that he needs a little bit of space,

U avvalroq shu yerda o'tirgan edi, lekin u bir oz bo'sh joy kerak deb qaror qildi,

so he's sitting across from me behind the camera.

shuning uchun u mening qarshimda kamera ortida o'tirdi.

He's your producer, then.

Demak, u sizning prodyuseringiz.

He's making sure I don't mess up.

U meni bezovta qilmasligimga ishonch hosil qilmoqda.

He's on the other side of the glass.

U oynaning narigi tomonida.

Well, if we have a chance to meet again in the future, maybe we can say hello to your

Xo'sh, agar biz kelajakda yana uchrashish imkoniga ega bo'lsak, ehtimol sizning

cute little cat.

yoqimli mushukingiz bilan salomlashamiz.

Where can we find?

Qayerdan topishimiz mumkin?

OK, so give us all the information on where we can go and find you if there's any information

OK, YouTubeda baham ko'rmoqchi bo'lgan ma'lumot yoki shunga o'xshash narsalar

you want to share on YouTube or things like that.

bo'lsa, qayerga borishimiz va sizni topishimiz mumkinligi haqidagi barcha ma'lumotlarni bizga bering

Uhm, the best way to get in touch with me is to e-mail.

. Uhm, men bilan bog'lanishning eng yaxshi usuli bu elektron pochta.

You can find the e-mail address on our YouTube page.

Elektron pochta manzilini YouTube sahifamizda topishingiz mumkin.

Very good.

Juda yaxshi.

Well, Esther, it was a delight to speak with you today.

Xo'sh, Ester, bugun siz bilan gaplashish juda yoqimli bo'ldi.

Thank you so much for sharing a little bit about your story.

Hikoyangiz haqida ozgina bo'lsada baham ko'rganingiz uchun katta rahmat.

Congratulations on the unbelievable success of your videos with Shaw English.

Shaw English bilan videolaringizning aql bovar qilmaydigan muvaffaqiyati bilan tabriklaymiz.

Good luck with your therapy study in the future.

Kelajakda terapiya o'qishingizga omad tilaymiz.

And I do hope that we will have an opportunity to chat again one day.

Va umid qilamanki, biz bir kun yana suhbatlashish imkoniyatiga ega bo'lamiz.

It was a real pleasure for me.

Bu men uchun haqiqiy zavq edi.

Thank you so much.

Sizga katta rahmat.

Thank you so much, Steve, for having me.

Menga ega bo'lganingiz uchun sizga katta rahmat, Stiv.

I had a great time as well.

Men ham ajoyib vaqt o'tkazdim.

OK, by Esther and by producer cat.

OK, Ester va prodyuser mushuk tomonidan.