An Interview with ESTHER about Teaching English

Welcome to another edition of Speak English fluently.

欢迎阅读另一期《说流利的英语》。

I'm your host, Steve Hatherly.

我是你的主人，史蒂夫哈瑟利。

My guest today is quite the celebrity in the English education field.

今天的嘉宾是英语教育界颇有名气的一位。

She started teaching English in Korea way back in 2008 after studying psychology for

在攻读心理学

her undergraduate degree.

本科学位后，她于 2008 年开始在韩国教英语。

And now she's actually studying to be a therapist.

现在她正在学习成为一名治疗师。

We will talk about that a little bit today.

我们今天将稍微讨论一下。

She is the top English teacher for Shaw Education.

她是逸夫教育的顶级英语老师。

She has over, I think if we count correctly, 160 videos on the website now.

她已经结束了，我想如果我们计算正确的话，现在网站上有 160 个视频。

Although that number might be a little bit higher, we'd have to count more accurately.

虽然这个数字可能会高一点，但我们必须更准确地计算。

Those videos are there for your viewing pleasure and your education pleasure, of course.

当然，这些视频是为了您的观看乐趣和教育乐趣。

She covers grammar, vocabulary, listening and conversation in her videos.

她在视频中涵盖了语法、词汇、听力和对话。

And we will have a conversation today.

我们今天将进行对话。

Welcome Esther, should I say Ester sonsangnim, Esther teacher, Miss Esther?

欢迎 Esther，我应该说 Ester sonsangnim，Esther 老师，Esther 小姐吗？

Welcome regardless to Speak English Fluently.

欢迎来到 Speak English Fluently。

Thank you so much for having me, Steve.

非常感谢你邀请我，史蒂夫。

And you can call me Esther.

你可以叫我以斯帖。

That's totally fine.

那完全没问题。

Very good.

很好。

Well, thank you once again for joining today.

好吧，再次感谢您今天的加入。

OK, so let's talk about your career then.

好的，那么让我们谈谈你的职业吧。

You are from the United States, and you are currently residing in the United States.

您来自美国，目前居住在美国。

You studied psychology in school.

你在学校学过心理学。

Did you move to Korea after university in America or was there a time period between?

你是在美国大学毕业后搬到韩国的还是有一段时间？

Actually, I moved to Korea right after I graduated from university.

实际上，我大学毕业后就搬到了韩国。

It’s a funny story.

这是一个有趣的故事。

I was supposed to go there for a 15-day graduation trip and ended up staying for 9 years.

我本来应该去那里进行为期 15 天的毕业旅行，结果在那里待了 9 年。

So pretty much right after I graduated.

几乎就在我毕业后。

Let's… yeah, I mean everybody was surprised and yeah, it's… it was a wonderful time

让我们……是的，我的意思是每个人都感到惊讶，是的，那是……那是一段美好的时光

there.

。

That's such a common story though, isn't it?

这是一个很常见的故事，不是吗？

You know, people move to Korea and then the plan is to stay for a short time.

你知道，人们搬到韩国，然后计划短期停留。

But they end up staying for a long time.

但他们最终会停留很长时间。

People fall in love with Korea, don't they?

人们爱上了韩国，不是吗？

Yes, and I miss it so much.

是的，我非常想念它。

I can't wait to go back and visit sometime in the near future, and I've heard countless

我迫不及待地想在不久的将来的某个时候回去参观，我听过无数的

stories and have many friends who had similar experiences.

故事，也有很多有类似经历的朋友。

When you moved to Korea, did you have plans of teaching English?

当你搬到韩国时，你有教英语的计划吗？

I guess not, because you were only planning on being here for a couple of weeks.

我想不会，因为你只打算在这里待几个星期。

That's correct.

这是正确的。

I had a friend from college who lived in Korea and was studying abroad in the US when we

我有一个大学的朋友，我们认识的时候她住在韩国，在美国留学

met, and she heard of a job opportunity, asked me if I'd be interested in interviewing, and

，她听说了一个工作机会，问我是否有兴趣面试，

I got the job.

我得到了这份工作。

And that's how I ended up staying for a lot longer than I had ever planned.

这就是我最终停留的时间比我计划的要长得多的原因。

Wow, so what made you interested in teaching English then?

哇，那是什么让你对教英语感兴趣呢？

Because it came to you very suddenly, I guess in in your life, right?

因为它来得太突然，我猜它就在你的生活中，对吧？

Yeah, I have always really enjoyed working with young people and children.

是的，我一直很喜欢与年轻人和儿童一起工作。

When I was young, I wanted to be a teacher or an artist, but I think my teaching abilities

我年轻的时候想当老师或艺术家，但我觉得我的教学能力

out… outway… are stronger than my artistic abilities, although I am very creative.

out…out…比我的艺术能力强，虽然我很有创造力。

So yeah, I…

所以是的，我……

I have always been interested in teaching and this opportunity did fall in my lap and

我一直对教学很感兴趣，这个机会确实落在了我的腿上，

I took the opportunity.

我抓住了这个机会。

I guess I seized the opportunity and never looked back.

我想我抓住了机会，再也没有回头。

Carpe Diem moment for you.

Carpe Diem 时刻为您服务。

So how did you become involved with Shaw education?

那么您是如何与逸夫教育结缘的呢？

Um, so between teaching jobs, I had taken a little bit of a break to go back and visit

嗯，所以在教学工作之间，我休息了一会儿，回去探望

my family.

我的家人。

And when I came back to Korea, I didn't have another job lined up.

当我回到韩国时，我并没有找到另一份工作。

And so I was looking.

所以我一直在寻找。

I wanted to do some part time jobs or some tutoring jobs.

我想做一些兼职工作或一些家教工作。

I was looking for some jobs that would give me a little bit more freedom than working

我正在寻找一些比

at the kind of typical hagwon or English institution or Academy.

在典型的 hagwon 或英语机构或学院工作更自由的工作。

And so I was…

所以我是……

I was tutoring.

我在辅导。

I was doing part time work, doing some research and development for some hagwons, and then

我在做兼职，为一些hagwons做一些研发，然后

I came across an ad from Shaw English, looking for teachers to shoot some videos teaching

我看到了Shaw English的广告，寻找老师拍摄一些教学

English.

英语的视频。

And I thought I'd give it a shot.

我想我会试一试。

So another opportunity that just fell on my lap.

所以另一个机会就落在了我的腿上。

I'm curious to know where you saw the advertisement, because that's exactly how I came to Korea

我很好奇你是在哪里看到广告的，因为我

originally as well.

最初也是这样来到韩国的。

It was a really small advertisement in the bottom right corner of the newspaper that

那是报纸右下角的一个很小的广告，

said teach English in Korea.

上面写着在韩国教英语。

So where was your Shaw Education advertisement?

那么你的逸夫教育广告在哪里？

I want to know.

我想知道。

That's a funny story.

这是一个有趣的故事。

Well, my, uh, the ad that I saw was on Craigslist, I believe so, yeah, very funny 'cause I don't

嗯，我的，呃，我看到的广告是在 Craigslist 上，我相信是的，非常有趣，因为我真的不

really know anybody who used Craigslist in Korea maybe.

认识在韩国使用 Craigslist 的人。

So I just got very lucky I guess.

所以我猜我很幸运。

Yeah, maybe to buy a sofa or something like that, but not to start this amazingly successful,

是的，也许是为了买一张沙发或类似的东西，但不是为了开始这个非常成功的

you know, online English education career.

在线英语教育事业。

That's a very rare story.

这是一个非常罕见的故事。

Exactly.

确切地。

What year was that that you got started with Shaw?

你是哪一年开始接触 Shaw 的？

I believe that was 2012.

我想那是 2012 年。

OK, so it's been quite a long time, then, that you've been making videos for Shaw education.

好吧，那么，你一直在为逸夫教育制作视频已经很长时间了。

You did that while you were here in Korea, but after moving back to the United States,

你在韩国时就这样做了，但回到美国后，

you continued working with Shaw.

你继续与邵氏合作。

Was that in the plans or… because usually when people leave Korea, they kind of leave

这是在计划中还是……因为通常当人们离开韩国时，他们

perhaps, not always, but sometimes leave the English education part of their life behind.

可能会离开，但并非总是如此，但有时会将英语教育作为他们生活中的一部分。

But you took it with you.

但是你带走了它。

Yeah, that was actually never part of the plan.

是的，这实际上从来都不是计划的一部分。

I didn't expect things to take off the way they did.

我没想到事情会像他们那样发展。

I worked for maybe two months, I think with Robin in 2012 and I thought that was the end

我工作了大概两个月，我想是在 2012 年和 Robin 一起工作，我认为那是结束

of it and I think we reconnected maybe around 2015.

，我想我们可能会在 2015 年左右重新建立联系。

Team and started talking about let's make some more videos and even though I've moved

团队并开始讨论让我们制作更多视频，尽管我已经搬到

to the states, Robin has come here and we've done some more content in the USA and I've…

了状态，罗宾来到这里，我们在美国做了更多的内容，我……

Wow.

哇。

Yeah, and I've flown back to Korea as well to make more videos.

是的，我也飞回韩国制作更多视频。

So was that, does that mean then that the videos that you made in the beginning were

那是不是意味着你一开始制作的视频

so well received or so popular that Robin thought, wait, we have a good opportunity

很受欢迎或很受欢迎，以至于罗宾认为，等等，我们有很好的机会

to make some more success here?

在这里取得更大的成功？

I definitely think so, yeah.

我绝对这么认为，是的。

I didn't expect it, but they did take off.

我没想到，但他们确实起飞了。

Can you remember the very first video that you made, I wonder?

我想知道你还记得你制作的第一个视频吗？

I I'm not sure, but I if I were to take a guess.

我不确定，但如果我要猜测的话。

I would guess the ‘can and can’t’ and some of the very simple basic skills.

我猜想“能不能”和一些非常简单的基本技能。

So in your videos, I talked about it in the opening a little bit conversation, you covered

所以在你的视频中，我在开场的一点谈话中谈到了它，你谈到了这一点

that.

。

You cover a lot of different things in your videos.

你在视频中涵盖了很多不同的东西。

And some of your videos are quite long as well, although they're put together I think

你的一些视频也很长，虽然我认为它们放在一起有

3 hours, some 5 hours some.

3 个小时，有的有 5 个小时。

But yeah, different topics, conversation, speaking, all these different types of things.

但是，是的，不同的话题、谈话、演讲，所有这些不同类型的事情。

When you started making videos again, did you know that you wanted to cover many different

当您再次开始制作视频时，您是否知道您想要

topics in your video?

在视频中涵盖许多不同的主题？

No, but I did always enjoy the storytelling videos, which were a little more casual, a

不，但我确实一直很喜欢讲故事的视频，它们更随意

little less formal.

一点，不那么正式。

We haven't done any kind of storytelling videos in a while, but I'm looking forward to picking

我们已经有一段时间没有制作任何类型的讲故事视频了，但我期待着

up on those again.

再次制作这些视频。

And there was a video where Robin asked me really quick-fire 100 questions and that was

还有一段视频，罗宾问了我 100 个问题，这也

a lot of fun as well.

很有趣。

I…

我……

I did one of those videos too, for Robin.

我也为 Robin 制作了其中一个视频。

It was…

那是……

It was a lot of fun.

这很有趣。

Yeah, I don't think I've ever been asked 100 questions in a row before in such quick-fire,

是的，我想我以前从来没有被以如此快速、

quick-fire fashion.

快速的方式连续问过 100 个问题。

But yeah, those are fun to do.

但是，是的，这样做很有趣。

Right.

正确的。

I saw one of your videos has 17,155,940 views and that number is probably higher as we are

我看到你的一个视频有 17,155,940 次观看，这个数字可能比我们现在

speaking right now.

说话的时候还要高。

So I wonder, in your opinion as a teacher, as a star teacher, what makes your videos

所以我想知道，在您看来，作为一名老师，作为一名明星老师，您认为是什么让您的视频

so popular, do you think?

如此受欢迎？

It's hard to say, um, when I read the comments, I just feel like people connect with me.

很难说，嗯，当我阅读评论时，我只是觉得人们与我有联系。

Uhm, I have heard that I speak very clearly.

嗯，听说我讲的很清楚。

And I think that is helpful for a lot of English learners.

我认为这对很多英语学习者都有帮助。

Uhm, you know, I don't know.

嗯，你知道，我不知道。

But I really, really just appreciate all the love and kind comments and questions people

但我真的非常感谢人们

have left.

留下的所有爱、善意的评论和问题。

Yeah, those comments really make you feel great, don't they?

是啊，那些评论真的让你感觉很棒，不是吗？

Because it makes you realize that you're making an impact.

因为它让你意识到你正在产生影响。

You're having a positive influence on someone’s life, and as someone who is studying to be

你对某人的生活产生了积极的影响，作为一个正在学习成为

a therapist and studied psychology before, I'm guessing that that's really quite important

治疗师和学习心理学的人，我猜这

for you personally.

对你个人来说真的很重要。

Yes, it's very rewarding just to know that I am helping people.

是的，知道我在帮助别人是非常值得的。

And just that ---I'm making some kind of impact.

就是这样——我正在产生某种影响。

It feels really wonderful.

感觉真的很美妙。

Do you remember the moment when you realized, oh wow, these videos are becoming quite popular?

您还记得意识到这些视频变得非常流行的那一刻吗？

Because in the beginning you only worked with Robin for a couple of months.

因为一开始你只和罗宾一起工作了几个月。

There was a break time there, a long break time.

那里有休息时间，很长的休息时间。

And then you started making videos again.

然后你又开始制作视频了。

Do you remember, was there any particular video or any particular time when you realized,

您还记得吗，是否有任何特定的视频或任何特定的时间让您意识到，

oh, this is going to be quite successful?

哦，这将非常成功？

I still don't think it's really hit me.

我仍然不认为它真的击中了我。

You know, when you say 17 million views, that's shocking…

你知道，当你说 1700 万次观看时，那是令人震惊的……

That's just that's Justin Bieber territory.

那只是 Justin Bieber 的领地。

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around what that really means to be honest.

老实说，我仍然很难理解这到底意味着什么。

The first time I realized not that this was going to be a big deal or that this was big,

我第一次意识到这不是一件大事，也不是一件大事，

but the first time that I thought this is more than just the two months kind of commitment

而是我第一次认为这不仅仅是

I had made with Robin initially, was when a colleague of mine at a hagwon was preparing

我最初与罗宾做出的两个月的承诺，是当一位同事我在 hagwon 的一个人正在

a lesson for his class and was looking up some videos on YouTube for resources and said

为他的班级备课，他正在 YouTube 上查找一些视频以获取资源，然后

to me, is this you?

对我说，这是你吗？

And I…

而我……

That was the first time I realized like while people are getting to my videos when they

那是我第一次意识到，当人们

search for something really simple for teaching English.

搜索一些非常简单的英语教学内容时，他们会观看我的视频。

Has it gotten easier over the years because now it's… it's been a long time now, right,

这些年来它变得更容易了吗，因为现在…… 对你来说制作视频

for you to be making videos?

已经很久了，对

Has it gotten easier to make these videos or has it gotten more difficult, I wonder?

吗？ 我想知道制作这些视频是变得更容易了还是变得更难了？

I don't know if it's gotten more difficult or easier.

不知道是变得更难了还是更容易了。

Not to toot my own horn, but…

不要自鸣得意，但是……

Please do.

请这样做。

That's why we're her, Esther.

这就是为什么我们是她，埃丝特。

Well, I…

好吧，我……

I was surprised by.. by lack of nervousness.

我很惊讶……没有紧张。

I wasn't as nervous as I thought I'd be.

我并不像我想象的那么紧张。

I think I do OK under pressure.

我认为我在压力下做得很好。

You know, I have to admit, even before this interview I was pretty nervous.

你知道，我不得不承认，甚至在这次采访之前我就很紧张。

But here I am and I'm feeling OK.

但我在这里，我感觉很好。

And even with school presentations and things like that, I really feel nervous before, but

即使有学校介绍之类的事情，我以前真的很紧张，但

in the moment, I tend to do OK.

在那一刻，我倾向于做得很好。

Maybe I'm acting a little, I don't know.

也许我在演戏，我不知道。

But it… it never felt too difficult.

但是它……从来没有觉得太难。

I guess that's a really good feeling to know though, because…

不过，我想知道这种感觉真的很好，因为……

that's how students of English feel often when they have to speak English and even worse

这就是学习英语的学生在必须说英语时经常有的感觉，而当他们必须用英语

when they have to do a presentation in English.

进行演示时 更糟

So knowing that feeling, do you think that that maybe makes you an even better teacher?

。 所以知道那种感觉，你认为这可能会让你成为更好的老师吗？

Oh, that's a good question.

哦，这是个好问题。

I think, yeah.

我想，是的。

You know, before presentations or before an interview, something like this I will often

你知道，在演讲或面试之前，像这样的事情我也会经常

also practice either in my head or in front of a mirror.

在脑海中或在镜子前练习。

I'll do my best to feel that I am well prepared, so I looked at the interview questions ahead

我会尽力让自己觉得自己准备充分，所以我提前看了

of time, or I'll ask about what I can expect and I don't go in blindly.

面试题，或者我会问我能期待什么，我不会盲目地进去。

I do prepare.

我做好准备。

And then… and then…

然后……然后……

when I… once I'm in it, it doesn't seem as bad because I kind of know what to expect.

当我……一旦我进入其中，它似乎并没有那么糟糕，因为我有点知道会发生什么。

Now, when it comes to maybe like a live lesson or something like that, I may be a little

现在，当谈到现场授课或类似的事情时，我可能会

bit more nervous because things can go wrong.

更加紧张，因为事情可能会出错。

But in general, if I have some time or ability to prepare, I'll feel a lot better going into

但总的来说，如果我有一些时间或能力来准备，我会在参加 我正在做的活动时

the activity that I'm doing.

感觉好多 了。

Oh, that's the beauty of live TV or live radio or live streaming, is that, hey, sometimes

哦，这就是直播电视、直播广播或直播的美妙之处，嘿，有时

things go wrong and that's OK when that happens too, right?

事情会出错，当这种情况发生时也没关系，对吧？

Of course, yeah.

当然，是的。

Is there any video that comes to mind for you that was the most fun to make, I wonder?

我想知道有没有什么视频是您制作时最有趣的？

I'm going to go back to that 100 questions, rapid questioning video, just because it was

我要回到那个 100 个问题，快速提问视频，只是因为那个问题

very casual for that one.

非常随意。

I didn't really have to prepare, and who doesn't like talking about themselves and things that

我真的不需要准备，谁不喜欢谈论他们自己和

they enjoy?

他们喜欢的事情呢？

Right, that's… that's true.

对，那是……那是真的。

So that was fun.

所以这很有趣。

Maybe that's how I should have prepared for this interview today?

也许这就是我今天应该为这次采访做的准备？

I should have just prepared 100 questions and just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

我本应该准备 100 个问题，然后就是砰、砰、砰、砰、砰、砰、

boom.

砰。

So you're studying to be a therapist now?

所以你现在正在学习成为一名治疗师？

Does that mean that you will stop making English education videos in the future?

那是否意味着您以后将停止制作英语教育视频？

Or will you do those both of those things together in the future?

或者你们将来会一起做这两件事吗？

I'm still working on making videos with Robin.

我仍在努力与 Robin 一起制作视频。

I don't have any plans to stop in the near future.

我没有任何计划在不久的将来停下来。

Things may slow down depending on how often we're able to travel back and forth and make

事情可能会变慢，这取决于我们来回旅行和制作

the videos.

视频的频率。

And you know, I'm always being encouraged to make videos at home right now, however,

你知道，现在总是有人鼓励我在家里制作视频，但是，

with my studies, and my burgeoning practice, it's a little bit hard to do that.

随着我的学习和我的新兴实践，做到这一点有点困难。

So videos may not be coming out as regularly, but I do plan to continue making them.

所以视频可能不会定期发布，但我确实计划继续制作它们。

What kind of video schedule do you have now?

你现在有什么样的视频时间表？

Do you put out videos once a week?

你每周放一次视频吗？

Once a month?

每月一次？

What kind of schedule are you on now?

你现在的日程安排是怎样的？

Currently, I don't have any kind of regular schedule.

目前，我没有任何固定的时间表。

It's more so when I'm able to visit Korea, we'll shoot a lot of videos at once and then

更重要的是，当我能够访问韩国时，我们会一次拍摄很多视频，然后

they will slowly be edited and then released.

慢慢编辑然后发布。

Wow, you truly are a celebrity, aren't you?

哇，你真的是名人，不是吗？

Traveling around the world to film different things.

环游世界拍摄不同的东西。

Yeah, when you put it that way.

是的，当你那样说的时候。

Yeah, exactly right.

是的，完全正确。

So what are the plans then for content for the future?

那么未来的内容计划是什么？

Or… or maybe just things that you think, in your opinion as a teacher, would be really

或者……或者只是您认为，作为一名教师，您认为

useful for students these days?

当今对学生真正有用的东西？

Well, with TikTok and other social media being so um…

好吧，随着 TikTok 和其他社交媒体的发展，嗯……

It's just really different from when videos were released on YouTube or when I recorded

这与在 YouTube 上发布视频或我

these videos for YouTube in 2012.

在 2012 年为 YouTube 录制这些视频

People are consuming social media content in much smaller bits and pieces.

时的情况完全不同。 人们正在以更小的点点滴滴消费社交媒体内容。

And so, I foresee that if I do make some videos, it will be a lot more casual quick.

因此，我预见到如果我制作一些视频，它会更加随意。

UM, maybe uh, more of a glimpse into my daily life.

嗯，也许呃，更多的是对我日常生活的一瞥。

And… and just maybe a little bit more of an approachable, less structured, uhm, lesson.

而且……也许只是更平易近人、结构更松散的课程，嗯，课程。

I'm not sure yet, but I definitely can see that being popular or helpful.

我还不确定，但我绝对可以看到它很受欢迎或有帮助。

That's a really interesting opinion.

这是一个非常有趣的观点。

You know, I've heard so many different teachers say these days.

你知道，这些天我听到很多不同的老师说。

Well, because of the pandemic, it changed education, not just for English, it changed

嗯，因为大流行，它改变了教育，不仅仅是英语，它改变

education as a whole.

了整个教育。

Because so much got put online forcibly, people didn't have a choice, students and teachers.

因为很多东西被强行放到网上，人们别无选择，学生和老师。

But what's interesting is that the world of social media is now having a great impact

但有趣的是，社交媒体世界现在

on how students want to learn and how teachers want to teach.

对学生的学习方式和教师的教学方式产生了巨大影响。

And I think it's something maybe you agree or disagree, but to me, it seems like such

我认为这可能是你同意或不同意的事情，但对我来说，这似乎是

a juxtapose.

一种并列。

Social media and education or social media and English education.

社交媒体和教育或社交媒体和英语教育。

Those two things don't seem to go together naturally.

这两件事似乎并不自然地结合在一起。

But now teachers, they have to follow that trend, right?

但是现在老师们，他们必须跟风，对吧？

And I…

我……

I do see where you're coming from, but I think I myself learn a lot from social media.

我确实知道你来自哪里，但我认为我自己从社交媒体中学到了很多东西。

For example, I'm following a lot of accounts that are teaching me how to make new recipes.

例如，我关注了很多教我如何制作新食谱的帐户。

Account…

帐户…

Instagram accounts that teach me about finance, which is something I'm interested in learning.

教我金融知识的 Instagram 帐户，这是我有兴趣学习的东西。

Or about.

或者关于。

I'm learning a lot about therapy as well.

我也在学习很多关于治疗的知识。

And so I'm learning bits and pieces.

所以我正在学习点点滴滴。

And so I do think that maybe the… either the quality of the… or the time it'll take

所以我确实认为，也许……无论是……的质量，还是

to acquire all the knowledge I need to become an expert, will be longer, but at the same

获得我成为专家所需的所有知识所需的时间，都会更长，但

time, it… it is more approachable, like I said.

与此同时，它……更容易接近， 就像我说的。

It feels less daunting or it feels like it's not so much I have to try to learn at… at

它感觉不那么令人生畏，或者感觉它不是我必须尝试学习的那么多……

once so it can feel like more doable.

立即这样它会感觉更可行。

I guess is another way to put it.

我想是另一种表达方式。

Yeah, I guess the world is changing.

是的，我想世界正在改变。

People are changing in the sense that I don't know if it's a reduced attention span for

从某种意义上说，人们正在发生变化，我不知道这是否是世界各地人们注意力持续时间的缩短，

people around the world or just people have become spoiled with how quickly they can get

或者只是人们对获得

their content.

内容的速度感到厌烦。

But I think you're right.

但我认为你是对的。

Shorter videos perhaps, with getting your point - boom, straight to the point.

也许更短的视频，让你明白你的意思 - 繁荣，直截了当。

And then wrap it up and then, yeah, maybe that's the future of education for not just

然后总结一下，是的，也许这就是教育的未来，不仅仅是

English, but finance, cooking, all the things that you mentioned.

英语，还有金融、烹饪，以及你提到的所有事情。

It's really interesting, the trend change, I think.

这真的很有趣，我认为趋势在变化。

Definitely.

确实。

And about your point regarding, you know, shorter attention span, I really do think

关于你的观点，你知道，更短的注意力，我真的认为

that that has a little bit to do with it, if not a lot to do with it.

这与它有一点关系，如果不是很大的话。

I myself find it harder to concentrate for long periods of time, even on things that

我自己发现很难长时间集中注意力，即使是在

I enjoy, like a TV show.

我喜欢的事情上，比如电视节目。

I find myself multitasking.

我发现自己同时处理多项任务。

Yeah, it's so hard to sit through a 2-hour movie now.

是的，现在很难看完一部 2 小时的电影。

I…

我……

I had that conversation with a friend.

我和一个朋友有过那次谈话。

I wonder if movies will become like 22 minutes long in the future or something.

我想知道将来电影会不会变成 22 分钟之类的。

Yeah, that would be crazy, but you know, I don't think it's too far off.

是的，那会很疯狂，但你知道，我认为这不会太遥远。

Absolutely.

绝对地。

So then the therapy degree, how far away?

那么再到治疗的程度，还有多远呢？

Oh, sorry, maybe license is the right way to say that.

哦，对不起，也许许可证是正确的说法。

How far away, how far in the future is that for you?

多远，对你来说那是多远的未来？

So I have about three more years to work towards that license.

所以我还有大约三年的时间来获得该许可证。

I'm accruing hours so I have to hit, in California, the… the requirements are 3000 hours of

我正在累积时间，所以我必须在加利福尼亚州达到……要求是 3000 小时的

direct clinical work with children and adults.

儿童和成人直接临床工作。

Do you believe you mentioned the amount of time it takes to be an expert?

您认为您提到了成为专家所需的时间吗？

Do you believe in the 10,000-hour rule?

你相信一万小时定律吗？

Studying something for 10,000 hours makes you an automatic expert at it, or practicing

研究某件事 10,000 小时会让你自动成为这方面的专家，或者练习

for 10,000 hours.

10,000 小时。

I'm…

我……

I'm wondering your view as a teacher, as an educator, if you believe in that theory.

我想知道作为一名教师，作为一名教育工作者，您是否相信该理论。

I don't think so.

我不这么认为。

I don't even know exactly how many days or months or years 10,000 hours would amount

我什至不知道 10,000 小时到底是多少天、多少月或多少年

to.

。

Depends on the person and their schedule I guess, right?

我想取决于人和他们的日程安排，对吧？

Sure, that's true.

当然，这是真的。

UM.

嗯。

But no, I don't think it's a finite amount of time necessarily.

但不，我认为这不一定是有限的时间。

It… it's a lot of other factors as well, including effort, attention, passion.

它……还有很多其他因素，包括努力、注意力、热情。

Uhm, yeah, just a lot of different things put together.

嗯，是的，只是很多不同的东西放在一起。

Do you think English education has changed over the years?

你认为这些年来英语教育有什么变化吗？

We talked about how people get their content these days through different social media

我们讨论了如今人们如何通过不同的社交媒体

services.

服务获取他们的内容。

Do you think that the students, the information that they… that they want or the information

您是否认为这些年来学生、他们想要的信息或

that they get has changed over the years?

他们获得的信息发生了变化？

Umm, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if teachers are already doing what we talked

嗯，我不确定，但如果老师们已经在做我们

about earlier, giving smaller snippets of information.

之前谈到的事情，提供更小的信息片段，我不会感到惊讶。

Like instead of studying from a vocabulary book, students might be following a teacher

就像不是从词汇书上学习，学生可能会跟随一位

who does one vocab word a day.

每天学习一个词汇的老师。

And puts it in a… a visual context of where they're showing it, you know, in a video or

并将其置于……他们展示它的视觉环境中，你知道，在视频或

in a picture.

图片中。

So I would assume also it's a lot more visual.

所以我也假设它更直观。

Uhm, yeah.

嗯，是的。

Do you have a favorite English word?

你有最喜欢的英语单词吗？

I'm…

我……

I'm totally putting you on the spot here, and I apologize for that.

我完全让你难堪了，对此我深表歉意。

No, that's OK.

不，没关系。

The first word that comes to mind is ‘goggle’.

第一个想到的词是“护目镜”。

OK.

好的。

I just think it's just such a silly word.

我只是觉得这只是一个愚蠢的词。

And I love that someone…

我爱那个人……

I don't know the root of it, but I just love that wherever it came from, the word goggle

我不知道它的根源，但我就是喜欢它来自哪里，护目镜这个词

just sounds funny.

听起来很有趣。

It sounds like you're mispronouncing an Internet search engine.

这听起来像是您错误地发音了 Internet 搜索引擎。

Yes, yes.

是的是的。

Instead of something you wear when you go skiing.

而不是你去滑雪时穿的东西。

Right, right.

是的是的。

So the origins of words are always interesting.

所以单词的起源总是很有趣。

So, I think of silly words, silly sounding words like that, where they might have come

所以，我想到了愚蠢的词，听起来很愚蠢的词，它们可能来自哪里

from.

。

Or did someone just make a sound and decide that was the word to describe this object?

还是有人只是发出声音并决定用这个词来描述这个物体？

One of the common questions that teachers get when they are being interviewed is a question

教师在接受采访时遇到的常见问题之一是

that I will ask you next.

我接下来要问你的问题。

In your expert opinion for students, what do you think is the… or should be the main

在您对学生的专家意见中，您认为什么是……或者应该是

focus of an English language student’s study?

英语学生学习的主要重点？

Conversation, reading, vocabulary, grammar, listening.

会话、阅读、词汇、语法、听力。

Those are kind of the five main elements, right?

这些是五个主要元素，对吗？

Do you think one isn't any more important than the other?

你认为一个不比另一个重要吗？

I think I don't know if I can say that one is more important than the other, but I do

我想我不知道我是否可以说一个比另一个更重要，但我确实

think that learning how to speak and listen first, and preferably if possible in a natural

认为首先学习如何说和听，最好是在可能的情况

manner by conversing with other English speakers, or conversing with people who are also learning

下通过与其他说英语的人交谈以自然的方式，或交谈与那些也在学习

you're like yourself, can make it easier to pick up on the other skills like reading and

你像你自己的人一起，可以更容易地掌握其他技能，如阅读和

grammar.

语法。

Very good information from an expert teacher.

来自专家老师的非常好的信息。

Start with your speaking and listening and then everything else will get easier from

从您的口语和听力开始，然后其他一切都会变得更容易

there.

。

All right.

好的。

Well, I know because you said earlier you don't like to toot your own horn or blow your

好吧，我知道，因为你之前说过你不喜欢吹自己的喇叭或吹

own horn, which means to brag about yourself.

自己的喇叭，这意味着吹嘘自己。

But I have to ask you, why should students go to Shaw Education on YouTube or the website

但我不得不问你，为什么学生要到逸夫教育的YouTube或网站

and watch your videos?

上看你的视频？

Uhm, I think that my videos are very simple and straightforward.

嗯，我认为我的视频非常简单明了。

They are easy to follow, they have a lot of great examples, a lot of encouragement.

他们很容易理解，他们有很多很好的例子，很多鼓励。

And, um…

而且，嗯……

I think that they are… the word of the day approachable.

我认为他们是……平易近人的日常用语。

They're… they're not too challenging, and yet you can choose between a variety of levels

它们……它们并不太具有挑战性，但您可以在

that you're looking to learn.

您想要学习的各种级别之间进行选择。

And not only that, you get to learn about the teachers that are behind the videos and

不仅如此，您还可以了解视频背后的老师，

learn a little bit about their journeys and so you really get to connect with the person

了解他们的旅程，这样您就可以真正与

who's teaching you English while also taking in the content in a way that is.

教您英语的人建立联系，同时以一种.

Not too challenging yet there is some variety in what you're learning.

不太具有挑战性，但您所学的内容有所不同。

Do you have any particular level that you enjoy making videos for?

您喜欢制作视频的特定级别吗？

I've seen some of your videos for very beginner levels, and I do agree with you by the way,

我看过你的一些初学者级别的视频，顺便说一句，我同意你的看法，你的

you have a wonderful speaking voice.

说话声音很棒。

Your enunciation is so clear and that would make a student feel so comfortable.

你的发音很清楚，会让学生感到很舒服。

So, do you prefer making videos for the beginner level, intermediate level, advanced level?

那么，您更喜欢为初级、中级、高级制作视频吗？

Or is there really no difference for you?

或者对你来说真的没有区别吗？

No difference.

没有不同。

I really do enjoy all levels and it's always just a really fun time for me getting together

我真的很喜欢所有级别，对我来说，

with Robin, recording and working as a team.

与 Robin 在一起、录音和团队合作总是非常有趣的时光。

Well, we're about to wrap things up, but there was a guest here before we started our interview

好吧，我们正要结束一切，但在我们开始采访之前来了一位客人，然后

and… and the guest has disappeared somewhere.

……这位客人不知去了哪里。

Your roommate, I think at the House, is he gone?

你的室友，我想在众议院，他走了吗？

Is the is the cat… is the cat not around right now?

是猫吗……猫现在不在吗？

He's sitting across from me.

他坐在我对面。

He was sitting right here earlier, but he's decided that he needs a little bit of space,

早些时候他就坐在这里，但他认为他需要一点空间，

so he's sitting across from me behind the camera.

所以他坐在我对面的镜头后面。

He's your producer, then.

那么他就是你的制片人。

He's making sure I don't mess up.

他确保我不会搞砸。

He's on the other side of the glass.

他在玻璃的另一边。

Well, if we have a chance to meet again in the future, maybe we can say hello to your

好吧，如果我们以后有机会再见面，也许我们可以和你

cute little cat.

那只可爱的小猫打个招呼。

Where can we find?

我们在哪里可以找到？

OK, so give us all the information on where we can go and find you if there's any information

好的，如果 您想在 YouTube 上分享

you want to share on YouTube or things like that.

任何信息或类似内容，请向我们提供有关我们可以去哪里找到您的所有信息

Uhm, the best way to get in touch with me is to e-mail.

。 嗯，与我取得联系的最佳方式是发送电子邮件。

You can find the e-mail address on our YouTube page.

您可以在我们的 YouTube 页面上找到电子邮件地址。

Very good.

很好。

Well, Esther, it was a delight to speak with you today.

好吧，以斯帖，很高兴今天能和你交谈。

Thank you so much for sharing a little bit about your story.

非常感谢您分享一些关于您的故事。

Congratulations on the unbelievable success of your videos with Shaw English.

祝贺您与 Shaw English 合作的视频取得了令人难以置信的成功。

Good luck with your therapy study in the future.

祝你在未来的治疗研究中好运。

And I do hope that we will have an opportunity to chat again one day.

我确实希望有一天我们有机会再次聊天。

It was a real pleasure for me.

我真的很高兴。

Thank you so much.

太感谢了。

Thank you so much, Steve, for having me.

非常感谢史蒂夫邀请我。

I had a great time as well.

我也玩得很开心。

OK, by Esther and by producer cat.

好的，由 Esther 和制作人 cat 制作。