English Conversation Listening Practice - British English Podcast (With Level Up English)

Okay, so today I've got Michael here from Level Up English.

好的，所以今天我有来自 Level Up English 的 Michael。

Hi Michael, how are you today?

嗨迈克尔，你今天好吗？

Hello.

Thank you for having me.

你好。

谢谢你有我。

I'm very good.

我很好。

Good to see you.

If I said to you, how are you?

很高兴见到你。

如果我对你说，你好吗？

And you turned around and said, "well, actually, I'm having a terrible

而你转身说，“好吧，实际上，我

day", it is not the done thing is?

今天过得很糟糕”，这不是已经完成的事情了吗？

I think in general, unless you are really, really close to someone.

我认为一般来说，除非你真的非常接近某人。

Uh, when you say, "how are you?"

呃，当你说，“你好吗？”

You're just looking for a very quick "Yes, I'm fine.

你只是在寻找一个非常快速的“是的，我很好。

Thank you.

谢谢你。

Let's carry on".

让我们继续”。

It's like an icebreaker or an introduction to your conversation,

这就像一个破冰船或对你们谈话的介绍，

but genuinely Michael, how are you?

但说真的，迈克尔，你好吗？

Well, I'm a bit cold.

好吧，我有点冷。

I've got painful knees, you know.

我的膝盖很痛，你知道的。

What happened to your knees?

你的膝盖怎么了？

They're always bad.

I did a long walk yesterday, um, for a few hours.

他们总是很糟糕。

我昨天走了很长一段路，嗯，走了几个小时。

Sitting down too much, walking too much, not having a balance of each...

坐得太多，走得太多，每个人都没有平衡……

Right.

Okay.

...I think isn't good for your joints, is it?

对。

好的。 ...我认为这对你的关节不好，是吗？

Yeah.

I find when I'm static.

是的。 我发现当我静止时。

Static's a nice way to describe being very still.

静态是描述非常静止的好方法。

When I'm static, so if I have a day in the office just sat at my desk,

当我静止不动时，所以如果我在办公室呆一天，只是坐在办公桌前，

I have to actually stand up quite a few times because I start to feel

我实际上必须站起来好几次，因为我开始觉得

like my knees hurt, my hips, my back,

膝盖、臀部、背部受伤，

I feel like an old lady.

我觉得一位老太太

Is walking something that you do often?

走路是你经常做的事吗？

It is, yeah.

是的，是的。

I mean I try...

我的意思是我尝试……

I successfully try, I would say, to do it every day, go for at least a...

我成功地尝试了，我会说，每天都这样做，至少去一次……

you know, half an hour walk if I can.

你知道，如果可以的话，步行半小时。

It's something I really enjoy.

这是我真正喜欢的事情。

I mean, there's nothing I enjoy more really than putting in a podcast,

我的意思是，没有什么比播客、

going through a walk, rain or shine.

散步、风雨无阻更令我享受的了。

It might just be the same route I've done a thousand times, or it might be

它可能只是我走过一千次的同一条路线，也可能是

somewhere new I haven't been before.

我以前从未去过的新地方。

You said come rain or shine.

你说风雨无阻。

That's a nice little phrase, isn't it?

这是一个很好的小短语，不是吗？

Yeah.

是的。

It's like whether it's raining or it's sunny, doesn't matter to me.

就像是下雨还是晴天，对我来说都无所谓。

I'll go out.

我出去。

So do you have all the kit then?

那么你有所有的工具包吗？

All the gear?

所有的装备？

I've got like a nice winter coat that keeps me warm, but it's not waterproof,

我有一件漂亮的冬衣可以保暖，但它不防水，

so I might come back a bit soggy and wet, but I dry my clothes out and

所以我回来时可能会有点湿漉漉的，但我把衣服晾干了，

I find actually the discomfort of walking in the rain makes arriving

我发现实际上在雨中行走的不适让我

home more enjoyable, you know?

回到家更愉快，你知道吗？

So we'd probably call this hiking, right?

所以我们可能会称之为远足，对吧？

If you're going for a long walk, maybe over surfaces that aren't level, so it

如果你要走很长一段路，可能会在不平坦的表面上行走，所以它

might not be an actual purpose-built path, but you're walking in the countryside

可能不是真正专门建造的路径，但你是在乡村

or in the hills, in the mountains.

或山区、山区行走。

This would be hiking.

这将是远足。

Really?

Mm-hmm.

Wouldn't it?

真的吗？

嗯嗯。 不是吗？

Mm-hmm yeah.

Yeah.

嗯嗯是的。

是的。

And I think having a good pair of shoes is really important

而且我认为 ，如果您喜欢远足，那么

if you are into your hiking.

拥有一双好鞋真的很重要

So tell me, you've got some good walking shoes.

。 所以告诉我，你有一双好走的鞋。

No!?

不！？

Well, I'm kind of a minimalist, so I only have one pair of shoes at a time, and the

好吧，我是个极简主义者，所以我一次只有一双鞋，而

one I have now, the pair I have now, I didn't realise until after I bought them,

我现在拥有的那双，我现在拥有的那双，直到我买了它们之后才意识到，

but they're not good for wet weather...

但它们是不适合潮湿的天气……

Right.

...like even if it's just like a wet field with like grass, my feet will be soaked.

对。 ……就算是像草一样的湿地，我的脚也会湿透。

Oh, I've kind of got used to it.

哦，我有点习惯了。

In fact, there's a video on my YouTube channel where I was walking on Dartmoor,

事实上，在我的 YouTube 频道上有一段视频，我在 Dartmoor 散步，

like a national park here in the UK and, I was like filming and I jumped

就像英国的国家公园一样，我就像在拍摄一样，我跳过

across a little stream and I thought it was flat ground, but it was like a bog.

一条小溪，我以为那是平地，但就像沼泽。

So it was very, very soft mossy ground, saturated with water.

所以这是非常非常柔软的苔藓地面，被水浸透了。

It looked stable, but it wasn't.

它看起来很稳定，但事实并非如此。

So I ended up like up to my knees in water.

所以我最终在水中没过膝盖。

Oh no.

不好了。

Um, walking boots.

嗯，步行靴。

Wouldn't have saved me then anyway.

无论如何也不会救我。

No.

不

Well, I've done some hiking in the Dolomites in Italy.

，嗯，我在意大利的多洛米蒂山徒步旅行过。

Mm-hmm.

Nice.

嗯嗯。

好的。

And we did, um, I think we did six weeks out in Argentina

我们做到了，嗯，我想我们在阿根廷度过了六个星期

and, and went to Patagonia.

，然后去了巴塔哥尼亚。

So I think having decent shoes, good socks, uh, you know, and a

所以我认为要有像样的鞋子、好的袜子，嗯，你知道的，

windproof jacket if nothing else.

如果没有别的，还有一件防风夹克。

Yeah.

Did you have the crampons, like the spiked shoes to go on the ice?

是的。

你有冰爪吗，比如在冰上穿的钉鞋？

Did you have that?

你有吗？

No.

No.

不不不

，

So we..., this is one of the stories I often tell, my dangerous adventure story.

所以我们...，这是我经常讲的故事之一，我的危险冒险故事。

So we were out in the Dolomites and there was one walk called Punta Ana.

所以我们去了多洛米蒂山，那里有一条叫做 Punta Ana 的步道。

And this is actually via ferrata.

这实际上是通过ferrata。

Mm.

毫米。

So via ferrata is where you are walking up a mountain, and it's not like, it's not

所以via ferrata是你在爬山的地方，它不像，它不是

mountain climbing, so you're not climbing up a rock face, although sometimes on a

爬山，所以你不是在攀登岩壁，虽然有时

via ferrata you might have to, but it's generally walking on a mountain path,

你可能不得不在via ferrata上行走，但它通常是在山间小路，

but it could be a little bit treacherous.

却也有些险峻。

And so there is a metal bar that's like a handrail that you have to clip onto

所以有一个金属棒，就像扶手一样，你必须夹在上面

that goes all the way along the walks.

，沿着人行道一直延伸。

So there's one called Punta Ana, and it was in what we call the shoulder season,

所以有一个叫做 Punta Ana 的季节，那是我们所说的平季，

which is when it's not quite the high season, when it's nice and warm, and it's

也就是当它不是旺季的时候，天气很好很暖和，而不是

not the down season, the cold season.

淡季，寒冷的季节。

So there was snow on the top of the mountains, but it was lovely and

所以山顶上有雪，但山

sunny at the bottom, you know, so we weren't really prepared for the snow.

脚下阳光明媚，你知道，所以我们并没有真正为雪做好准备。

We set off late and we didn't have crampons, but we did have a rope...

我们出发晚了，没有冰爪，但是我们有绳子……

Important!

重要！

And we came to one bit that was like a saddleback, so it was like

我们来到了一个像马鞍一样的地方，所以它就像

between two like hilly sections.

在两个像丘陵的部分之间。

There was this just ridge that you had to walk across, which I'm sure

有一个你必须走过的山脊，我敢肯定

in the dry weather would've been fine, but with it covered in snow...

在干燥的天气里它会很好，但它被雪覆盖了......

and it's a sheer drop on either side of the saddleback.

而且它在马鞍两侧都是一个陡峭的落差。

So you're walking across this ridge that's covered in snow and I was

所以当你走过这个被雪覆盖的山脊时，我想

like, this is just so dangerous.

，这太危险了。

One slip and it's sudden death.

一个失误，就是猝死。

This is no messing around.

这可不是闹着玩的。

This is death.

这就是死亡。

So we used the rope that we had to go over the rope that was supposed

所以我们使用了我们必须越过 本来应该用于铁索攀岩的 绳索

to be for the via ferrata, but that was very high above our heads.

，但那条绳索离我们头顶非常高。

So we, we looped this rope over, tied one side around my partner,

所以我们，我们把绳子绕了一圈，一边系在我的伙伴身上，

one side around me, and we said, if you fall, the other person has to

一边系在我身上，我们说，如果你摔倒了，另一个人必须

jump off the other side to balance.

从另一边跳下去以保持平衡。

And then we, we, you know, very carefully walked across this saddleback,

然后我们，我们，你知道，非常小心地走过这个马鞍，

but what we realised was, you know, we weren't gonna turn back now.

但我们意识到，你知道，我们现在不会回头了。

This was getting serious.

这越来越严重了。

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

And then we had a sheer rock face in front of us, a vertical rock face

然后我们面前有一个陡峭的岩壁，一个垂直的岩壁

that we had to properly climb up.

，我们必须正确地爬上去。

Again we only had walking boots on, which was a mistake because our

我们又一次只穿了步行靴，这是一个错误，因为我们的

feet kept slipping off the rocks.

脚总是从岩石上滑落。

It was awful.

太可怕了。

Again, we knew at this point we can't come back now.

再一次，我们知道此时我们不能再回来了。

We can't come back.

我们回不来了。

That's the scary part.

那是可怕的部分。

We were halfway up and we realised we were making bad time.

我们走到了一半，我们意识到我们正在度过糟糕的时光。

The last cable car from the top of the mountain was gonna go really

从山顶出发的最后一班缆车很快就要出发了

soon, and that was it for the season.

，这个季节就是这样。

That was gonna be the last cable car for the season, and we were too far

那将是这个季节的最后一班缆车，我们

behind, so we started shouting out.

落后太多了，所以我们开始大喊大叫。

We could see there was some people far in the distance.

我们可以看到远处有一些人。

Shouting out, saying, please, we're here.

大声喊叫，拜托，我们到了。

Don't go without us.

不要没有我们。

Anyway, long story short.

无论如何，长话短说。

We made it, we were exhausted.

我们做到了，我们筋疲力尽。

We made it just in time.

我们来得正是时候。

They were holding the cable car for us and they said, you know..

他们为我们准备了缆车，他们说，你知道……

Wow!

哇！

"...we, we were about to pull out the mattresses at the station for you

“……我们，我们正要在车站拉出床垫让你

to spend the night up here, but you would've had to hike out the next day."

在这里过夜，但你第二天就得徒步出去了。”

And I, and we would had no food.

而我，我们将没有食物。

You know, it was just, it was a very dangerous situation.

你知道，那只是，那是一个非常危险的情况。

Have you ever had anything like that?

你有过这样的经历吗？

Yeah.

Your story is terrifying.

是的。 你的故事很恐怖。

I'm really glad you made it...

我真的很高兴你成功了……

made it back okay.

平安无事地回来了。

But yeah, like, I guess I must have been about like 15 or something and my dad

但是，是的，就像，我想我一定是 15 岁左右，我父亲

took me on a via ferrata in the Alps.

带我去阿尔卑斯山攀登铁索攀岩。

Okay.

And I didn't really know what it was.

好的。

我真的不知道那是什么。

I kind of trusted my dad, like, yeah, it'll be fine.

我有点相信我爸爸，就像，是的，会没事的。

And it kind of starts out climbing a ladder.

它有点开始爬梯子。

It's not too bad.

还不错。

You have to have yourself hooked in with your harness and your...

你必须用你的安全带和你的……你的绳索把自己钩住

your ropes.

So it's not really possible to fall.

。

所以真的不可能掉下来。

Although I kind of always think, why are we trusting these metal poles?

虽然我一直在想，我们为什么要信任这些金属杆？

Like, you know, everything breaks one day.

就像，你知道，有一天一切都会破裂。

How do we know it's not gonna be today...

我们怎么知道今天不会……

Um, but then as we ascended, it turned more and more into a cliff.

嗯，但是当我们上升时，它越来越变成悬崖。

And I think, as you said before, it was like a cliff.

我认为，正如你之前所说，它就像一个悬崖。

It was just vertical and it was, you know, just like ladders and

它只是垂直的，你知道，就像

metal things you had to hold onto.

你必须抓住的梯子和金属东西一样。

So it was like proper climbing, but it was safe.

所以这就像正确的攀登，但它是安全的。

Yeah.

And it was, you know, good holds to hold onto, but looking

是的。

你知道，它是很好的抓地力，但看着

below me and just seeing...

我的下方，只是看到......

for me in my, you know, younger mind, it felt like hundreds of feet below me.

对我来说，你知道，年轻的头脑，感觉就像在我下方数百英尺处。

I don't know how much it really was, but it was just terrifying.

我不知道它到底有多少，但它实在是太可怕了。

And we didn't...

We made it to the top, but if you look back on the photos of that day,

我们没有……

我们登上了顶峰，但如果你回顾那天的照片，

you can see like my face is just grumpy for the whole day after that.

你会发现在那之后一整天我的脸都在发脾气。

I was in such a bad mood.

我当时心情很差。

I think I'd just been traumatised, you know.

我想我只是受到了创伤，你知道的。

What worries me about the via ferrata is you have to have a special

对于铁索攀登，让我担心的是你必须有一个特殊的

harness thing to hook on with.

安全带才能挂上。

So you have your harness...

所以你有你的安全带...

...which is what you wear, and then you would normally, with climbing,

...这是你穿的东西，然后你通常会在攀岩时

you'd have a rope and some carabiners, which are the connecting metal loops.

有一根绳子和一些登山扣，它们是连接金属环。

That's right, isn't it?

Carabiners?

没错，不是吗？

登山扣？

Yeah.

是的。

When you do via ferrata, you have a special, I think it's called a tether,

当你通过铁索攀登时，你有一个特殊的，我想它叫做系绳，

um, a special tether that is all bunched up into a short, what feels

嗯，一种特殊的系绳，它全部聚成一条短绳，感觉

like a short rope or a short lead, and to connect from your harness through

像一条短绳或短绳，并通过你的安全带连接

to your carabiner that you hook on.

挂在您的登山扣上。

So it feels short.

所以感觉很短。

But then what would happen is if you fell this tether tears and it

但是如果你把这条绳子掉下来会发生什么，它

releases quite a long stretch of like, I don't know, 10 metres or something.

会释放出很长的一段，我不知道，10 米左右。

It's quite a long stretch.

这是一段相当长的时间。

Mm.

Okay.

So it's all bunched up inside this tether.

毫米。 好的。

所以它都聚集在这个系绳里。

It tears open if you fall.

如果你跌倒，它就会裂开。

And the idea is that it, it's taking some of the momentum out of your fall

这个想法是，

as it's tearing, it's slowing your fall down because if you were to just...

当它撕裂时，它会从你的坠落中带走一些动力，它会减慢你坠落的速度，因为如果你只是……

you need space.

你需要空间。

But if you were to fall and you had a lot of rope, you could get tangled up in it.

但是如果你要掉下去，而且你有很多绳子，你可能会被缠住。

And also the momentum, by the time you hit the end of the rope, the momentum

还有动量，当你撞到绳子的末端时，动量

would be so hard, you'd break your back...

会非常大，你会摔断你的背……

mm-hmm.

嗯。

or some bones from your harness.

或者你背带上的一些骨头。

It would just be too much impact.

这将是太大的影响。

So it has to slow your descent.

所以它必须减慢你的下降速度。

So that's when you have this tearing...

所以这就是当你有这种撕裂......

interesting

有趣的

...to release the rope inside this tether.

......释放这个系绳内的绳索。

Which means if you have a fall and you tear it, it's used, you can't

这意味着，如果您跌倒并撕裂了它，它已经用过了，您无法

restitch it, so it's, it's done.

重新缝合它，所以它已经完成了。

So you have your fall, you use your tether, and it's like releasing

所以你跌倒了，你用了你的系绳，这就像释放

your parachute, but then you need to get back in the plane and carry

你的降落伞，但你需要回到飞机上继续前进

on and jump out the plane again.

并再次跳出飞机。

You'd be unlucky to fall twice though, wouldn't you?

不过，你会倒霉两次，不是吗？

Well, so, but if you...

好吧，但是如果你...

imagine you're, you're tired and the weather's bad.

想象你很累，而且天气不好。

Yeah.

You're halfway up a mountain or halfway through a via ferreta and

是的。 你在半山腰或通过 ferreta 路的中途，然后

you fall, your tether's done, spent.

你摔倒了，你的系绳已经用完了。

Then you have to climb yourself back onto the..., you know, you

然后你必须自己爬回...，你知道，你

might be hanging from an overhang.

可能挂在悬垂物上。

Somehow you have to get back onto the mountain, back onto the

你必须以某种方式回到山上，回到路上

path, and then, and then you...

，然后，然后你……

what do you do then?

然后你会做什么？

You've got no safety rope, not really, not a, not a genuine one that's gonna actually

你没有安全绳，不是真的，不是，不是真的可以

work for you, to get you either all the way there or all the way back, you know?

为你工作的安全绳，可以让你一直到那里或一直回来，你知道吗？

Mm-hmm.

That's always what bothered me when we were doing these very long, quite

嗯嗯。

当我们进行这些非常漫长、非常

arduous hikes, is that potentially, if I have one fall in the middle, then...

艰巨的徒步旅行时，这一直困扰着我，那就是如果我在中间跌倒，那么……

I'll, I'll be without any real safety afterwards.

我会，之后我将没有任何真正的安全。

Yeah.

I feel like that's a difference between us and the pros, right?

是的。 我觉得这就是我们和专业人士之间的区别，对吧？

The pros seem to not, the professionals, they don't, they

专业人士似乎没有，专业人士，他们没有，他们

don't think about this almost.

几乎没有考虑过这个问题。

It's like they, they take precautions, but the idea of failing

就像他们一样，他们采取预防措施，但失败的想法对

isn't even an option for them.

他们来说甚至不是一个选择。

Like if you've seen people do free soloing where they climb cliffs

就像您看到人们在

without any rope or safety equipment.

没有任何绳索或安全设备的情况下攀登悬崖时进行自由独奏一样。

Like I guess, I imagine they just don't have the concept of failing.

就像我猜的那样，我想他们只是没有失败的概念。

Like it's not even in their mind.

好像它甚至不在他们的脑海中。

'cause if it were, probably it's more likely to happen.

因为如果是的话，它可能更有可能发生。

I guess that's how it works.

我想这就是它的工作原理。

Things like gymnastics and, and climbing as well, but with

像体操和攀岩之类的东西，但对于

gymnastics it's like 95% mental.

体操来说，它就像 95% 的精神。

Like what you are thinking is what's going to happen.

就像你所想的就是将要发生的事情。

So you have to get your mind in the right place and not think about falling.

所以你必须把你的思想放在正确的地方，不要想着跌倒。

If you think about it, if you visualise it, it will more likely happen.

如果你想一想，如果你想象它，它就更有可能发生。

Mm-hmm.

And if you are scared, you hold back and you tense up in a way that will cause

嗯嗯。

如果你害怕，你就会退缩，你会以一种会导致

the incident or the accident to happen.

事件或事故发生的方式紧张起来。

Fear is an obstacle to overcome, but at the same time, it is there to protect us.

恐惧是需要克服的障碍，但同时，它也可以保护我们。

So it's, it's..., I guess there's a balance of appropriate

所以它是，它是...，我想适当的恐惧水平是平衡的

levels of fear, isn't there?

，不是吗？

But I guess I can relate to that.

但我想我可以理解这一点。

Like I'm a big fan of, I dunno what you'd call it, it's a bit like scrambling.

就像我的忠实粉丝一样，我不知道你会怎么称呼它，有点像加扰。

It's not climbing.

这不是攀登。

I'm not a fan of that after my traumatic childhood, but more like, um,

在我童年的创伤之后，我不喜欢那个，但更喜欢，嗯，

... It's where you use your hands and feet, isn't it?

......这是你用手和脚的地方，不是吗？

it's where you use your hands and feet to climb up like rocky terrain.

在这里，您可以像多岩石的地形一样用手和脚爬上去。

I feel like it's like parkour in the countryside.

感觉就像农村的跑酷。

Like I love kind of jumping over rocks, jumping over rivers and stuff like that.

就像我喜欢跳过岩石，跳过河流之类的。

I think I'm quite good on my feet in that sense.

从这个意义上说，我认为我的脚很好。

But as soon as you start to think about how it could go wrong, then you mess up.

但是一旦你开始考虑它怎么会出错，你就会搞砸了。

Yeah.

Like imagine you're jumping over a stream.

是的。 就像想象你正在跳过一条溪流。

It's quite a big stream, a wide stream.

这是一条相当大的溪流，一条宽阔的溪流。

If you think about like, oh, it's too big, it's...

如果你想，哦，它太大了，它是......

I can't do it, then you're gonna fall in.

我做不到，那么你就会掉进去。

But if you just focus on the other side and you just go for it, then

但是如果你只是专注于另一边，你就去争取它，那么

you'll almost definitely do it.

你'我几乎肯定会这样做。

So it is very mental.

所以很精神。

Many things are.

很多事情都是。

I always think if you were able to live for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

我一直在想，如果你能活几百、几百、几百年

years, would we just end up being bored?

，我们会不会感到无聊？

Would we exhaust all the options of, you know, adrenaline sports?

我们会用尽所有的选择吗，你知道的，肾上腺素运动？

Would nothing excite us anymore?

没有什么能让我们兴奋了吗？

Well, a counter-argument to that,

好吧，对此的反驳，

it depends what you mean by living, how, how we would live for that

这取决于你所说的生活是什么意思，如何，我们将如何生活那么久

long, because, and really interesting thing I like to think about is, say

，因为，我喜欢思考的真正有趣的事情是，

if we discovered through medicine, like how to, how to live for

如果我们通过医学发现，比如如何，如何活

a thousand years, I think we'd be the most risk averse species.

一千年，我想我们会是最厌恶风险的物种。

You know, we, we wouldn't do anything risky because let's say

你知道，我们，我们不会做任何冒险的事情，因为假设

you are like I dunno, 40 years old, and you sadly pass away doing

你就像我不知道的那样，40 岁，你悲伤地去世了做

something dangerous, it's very sad.

一些危险的事情，这是非常可悲的。

But I guess you're like middle-aged then, aren't you?

但我猜你那时就像中年人，不是吗？

You, you can...

Yes, I am middle-aged Michael

你，你可以...

是的，我是中年迈克尔

Oh, I'm so sorry.

I don't know your age, I promise.

哦，我很抱歉。

我不知道你的年龄，我保证。

I'm 41.

我 41 岁。

I'm 41.

我 41 岁。

You don't look it.

你看起来不像。

You look very, very young.

你看起来非常非常年轻。

Look younger than me and I'm...

看起来比我年轻，我...

it's okay.

没关系。

I'm only playing with you.

我只是在和你玩。

I don't mind.

我不介意。

Oh, you've made me, um feel awkward now.

哦，你让我，嗯，现在感觉很尴尬。

No, it's okay.

不，没关系。

But I get what you mean.

It's, it's relative, right?

但我明白你的意思。

它是，它是相对的，对吧？

You feel like you've, you've lived half your life.

你觉得你已经过了，你已经过了一半的生命。

If I were to die tomorrow, it wouldn't be as sad as if I died when I was 15

如果我明天就死了，那也不会像我 15 岁时死去那么难过，

because there's less life ahead of me now than there was when I was a teenager.

因为现在我面前的生命比我十几岁时少了。

Yes.

And if you were to live to a thousand, if that were possible when you

是的。

如果你能活到一千岁，如果你

died at 40 or even 80, that would be a huge tragedy because you're

在 40 岁甚至 80 岁时死去 是可能的 ，那将是一个巨大的悲剧，因为你

missing out on most of your life.

错过了生命中的大部分时间。

Yeah.

是的。

So I feel like people wouldn't do as much if we lived for that long, you know?

所以我觉得如果我们活那么久，人们就不会做那么多了，你知道吗？

Yeah.

We'd be much more cautious, I imagine.

是的。 我想我们会更加谨慎。

Yeah.

And maybe we'd work harder on our relationships.

是的。

也许我们会更加努力地处理我们的关系。

And it's interesting to think how, what we would do for careers.

思考如何，我们会为职业做什么是很有趣的。

Would we actually change careers many times and try out many different things?

我们真的会多次改变职业并尝试许多不同的事情吗？

It would certainly give us more options, wouldn't it?

它肯定会给我们更多的选择，不是吗？

Uh, yeah.

嗯，是的。

I wonder because there's a lot of projects that people have

我想知道，因为人们 之前 已经开始了很多项目，

started before that they...

他们……

I think about big cathedrals and things and space programs that they

我想到了大型大教堂、事物和太空计划

know they're not gonna see the end of which is always really amazing

知道他们不会看到结局，

that people can commit themselves to doing part of a project in their life.

人们可以承诺在他们的生活中完成一个项目的一部分，这总是非常令人惊奇。

But I imagine there'd be a lot more people doing important stuff

但我想会有更多的人在做重要的事情，

like, "okay, I'm gonna dedicate my life to curing this disease.

比如，“好吧，我会献身于治愈这种疾病。

(it) Might take me 500 years, but it's doable".

（它）可能需要我 500 年，但它是可行的”。

I wonder how, um, how we'd look if we lived to a thousand.

我想知道，嗯，如果我们活到一千岁，我们会是什么样子。

You see some people who...

你看到有些人......

who do manage to make it to a hundred, but our bodies aren't really built...

他们确实设法活到了一百岁，但我们的身体并没有真正建立起来......

really for, for surviving that long.

真的是为了活那么久。

It is interesting when you touch, we touch on longevity and things.

当您触摸时很有趣，我们触摸到长寿之类的东西。

I actually follow, a chap called David Sinclair, he's someone

我实际上在关注一个叫大卫辛克莱的人，他是

who I've mentioned a lot.

我经常提到的人。

Yeah.

And we actually adjust our lifestyle to, to kind of follow some of the things

是的。

我们实际上调整了我们的生活方式，以遵循

that he teaches to help you to live a longer life because I really would

他教导的一些事情来帮助你活得更长，因为我真的很想

like to live for a very long time.

活很长时间。

I certainly want to live till I'm a hundred.

我当然想活到一百岁。

I don't know if I'll get there, but..., even if I make it to 80,

我不知道我是否能到达那里，但是...，即使我能活到 80 岁，

I want to make sure that I'm as healthy as I can be until that age.

我也想确保我在那个年龄之前尽可能保持健康。

That's the key, isn't it?

那是关键，不是吗？

Yeah.

I don't wanna be a burden.

是的。

我不想成为负担。

I mean, in my view, it's not all about numbers.

我的意思是，在我看来，这不仅仅与数字有关。

Yeah.

是的。 它是关于，你知道，我宁愿健康地活 60 年，也不愿健康地活 100 年

It's about, you know, I'd rather live 60 healthy years than a hundred years

where half of them are not, you know, in good condition when you can't do much.

，你知道，当你无能为力时，其中一半身体状况不佳。

Yeah.

And you know, I've got two children, I would've liked more children, but

是的。

你知道，我有两个孩子，我本来想要更多的孩子，但

you know, that just hasn't happened.

你知道，这并没有发生。

And I don't want to be that burden on my children.

我不想成为我孩子的负担。

I don't want them to have to, you know, figure out if they're gonna put me in a

我不希望他们必须，你知道，弄清楚他们是否要把我安置在家里，

home or have to, you know, look after me.

或者必须，你知道，照顾我。

And I'd love to be able to be very active with my grandchildren as well

如果 我有孙辈的话，我也希望能够和我的

if I'm blessed with grandchildren.

孙辈们一起变得非常活跃。

And so, you know, getting out and, and walking on a regular basis.

所以，你知道，定期出去走走。

They do say that you should walk around 10,000 steps a day.

他们确实说您应该每天走 10,000 步左右。

A lot.

Yeah.

很多。

是的。

A lot.

I think in modern life, doing a thousand, 10,000 steps a day is a lot.

很多。

我认为在现代生活中，每天走一千步、一万步已经很多了。

What's that like?

那是什么样的？

I guess an hour and a half roughly of walking.

我猜步行大约一个半小时。

I can really hear that.

我真的能听到。

Cornish accent.

康沃尔口音。

It comes out in some, in certain words.

它出现在一些，用某些词。

Yeah.

是的。

We were talking about accents.

我们在谈论口音。

I previously appeared on Michael's podcast, which you should all go and check

我之前出现在 Michael 的播客上， 如果你们还不熟悉，

out if you're not already familiar with it, which is the Level Up English podcast.

你们都应该去看看， 这是 Level Up English 播客。

Right.

正确的。

There'll be links in the description here, so you can check that out.

这里的描述中会有链接，所以你可以检查一下。

Um, we were talking about accents and uh, Michael asked me if I could

嗯，我们在谈论口音，呃，迈克尔问我是否可以

tell where he was from and I said it was quite hard to pinpoint.

说出他来自哪里，我说很难确定。

I said, somewhere, maybe around Bristol, he's actually Cornish.

我说，在某个地方，也许在布里斯托尔附近，他实际上是康沃尔人。

And, um, the more I'm speaking with Michael, the more I can

而且，嗯，我和迈克尔说话的次数越多，我就越能

hear the ah sound coming out.

听到“啊”的声音。

So that's why my reaction was, uh, came out there.

所以这就是为什么我的反应是，呃，出来了。

But yes, 10,000 steps a day.

但是，是的，每天 10,000 步。

I think if you are sitting in an office and you are very busy,

我认为，如果您坐在办公室里并且非常忙碌，那么

it's quite hard to get that in.

就很难做到这一点。

Something I discovered recently though is you can get treadmills

不过我最近发现，您可以

that go underneath your desk.

在办公桌下面安装跑步机。

So if you did manage to get a standing desk, you can walk while you are working.

因此，如果您确实设法获得了站立式办公桌，则可以在工作时走路。

I've also seen ones where you can sit down, but it's like..., like

我也见过可以坐下的地方，但就像...，就像

bicycle pedals under the desk as well.

桌子底下的自行车踏板一样。

I've heard they're quite good.

我听说他们很好。

I wonder how much you'd be able to concentrate if you are, if you're

我想知道如果你是，你能集中多少注意力，如果你在

moving, would it be as easy, especially when you're doing what we do?

移动，会不会那么容易，尤其是当你做我们所做的事情时？

You can't do a podcast when you've got something whirring,

当你有东西在呼呼时，你不能做播客，

to whir is like a noise, like a constant, {makes a whirring noise}.

呼呼就像噪音，像一个常数，{发出呼呼声}。

You couldn't podcast with that, could you?

你不能用那个播客，是吗？

Why is Michael doing this.

迈克尔为什么要这样做。

Moving side to side.

左右移动。

Yeah, I do have a pull-up bar in my garden.

是的，我的花园里确实有一个拉杆。

'cause I really just enjoy just every now and again, just hanging

因为我真的只是时不时地享受一下，只是悬空

and trying to do a pull-up.

并尝试做一个引体向上。

Can you do a pull-up?

你能做引体向上吗？

Yes.

I was gonna ask you how many you can do if, if any.

是的。

我想问你，如果有的话，你能做多少。

Oh, well, I mean from a dead hang all the way up, I can probably only do one.

哦，好吧，我的意思是从死机一直挂起来，我可能只能做一个。

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

But if, uh, if it's kind of like with a bit of a jump up and maybe not going

但是，如果，呃，如果它有点像跳起来，也许不会

all the way back down again, then I can probably get out about three or four.

再一路回落，那么我大概可以出去三四次。

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

I'm relatively strong in my upper body, but I was watching something, I think

我的上半身比较强壮，但我在看一些东西，我想

it was a YouTuber just the other day who said something, a large, I can't remember

是前几天一个 YouTuber 说的，很大，我不记得具体

the figures, but a majority of Americans couldn't do one pull up from a dead hang.

数字了，但大多数美国人做不到一个从死角拉起来。

Yeah, I believe it.

是的，我相信。

And he was trying to put it to the test.

他正试图对其进行测试。

He was just out in a, like a busy street asking people to come and

他只是在外面，就像一条繁忙的街道，要求人们来做

do one pull-up and he'd give them a hundred dollars if they did.

一个引体向上，如果他们这样做，他会给他们一百美元。

And surprisingly many people couldn't do it.

令人惊讶的是，很多人做不到。

I think I, I think I saw that actually.

我想我，我想我真的看到了。

Did you?

你是否？

Yeah.

Yeah.

是的。

是的。

And some people, I think that was it, the YouTuber himself, he could

有些人，我认为就是这样，YouTuber 本人，他可以

do it for a couple minutes or something, but most people couldn't.

做几分钟或其他时间，但大多数人不能。

Yeah, he did, he did like 21 pull-ups or something.

是的，他做到了，他确实喜欢做 21 个引体向上什么的。

He was like, um, he'd trained in the Marines or something.

他就像，嗯，他曾在海军陆战队或其他地方受过训练。

It made me then want to go and do some pull-ups.

这让我想去做一些引体向上。

I think I could do, like, I could probably do like two or something.

我想我可以做，比如，我可能可以做两个或其他事情。

I'm not, I'm not very good, but I sometimes try at the gym I

我不是，我不是很好，但我有时会在我

go to, they've got a bar but I want to get better at that too.

去的健身房尝试，他们有一个酒吧，但我也想在这方面做得更好。

One is easy, two is a struggle.

一是容易，二是奋斗。

Then after that, it, you know, it depends.

然后在那之后，它，你知道，这取决于。

When I was climbing, I could do a lot more pull-ups than, than I can now, and that's

当我爬山的时候，我可以做比现在更多的引体向上，那只是

just because I'm not climbing very much.

因为我不经常爬山。

You do get a good bit of upper body strength with squash, and you certainly

打壁球确实可以锻炼上半身的力量，当然也可以

do with gymnastics, but during lockdown, I was pregnant with my second son,

锻炼体操，但是在禁闭期间，我怀上了我的第二个儿子，第二次

and I put on four stone with my second pregnancy, which will mean nothing

怀孕时我长了四块石头，这

to you probably, but it's a lot.

对你来说可能毫无意义，但是很多。

Usually you should put on about two stone with a pregnancy.

通常你应该在怀孕时戴上大约两块石头。

So I put on four, and that's because it was locked down.

所以我穿了四个，那是因为它被锁定了。

I couldn't go anywhere.

我哪儿也去不了。

I couldn't measure myself.

我无法衡量自己。

I had no way of weighing myself, so I had no clue about my weight gain really.

我无法称重自己，所以我对自己的体重增加一无所知。

And so when I had my child, and then I came back to my sports,

所以当我有了孩子后，我又回到了我的运动中，

which was gymnastics and squash.

那就是体操和壁球。

I had terrible knees because I'd gained all this weight.

我的膝盖很糟糕，因为我的体重增加了。

And it took me a lot longer to lose it.

我花了很长时间才失去它。

And then all my muscles and my joints just weren't happy.

然后我所有的肌肉和关节都不开心。

So yeah, getting back into climbing and gymnastics still hasn't yet happened.

所以是的，回到攀岩和体操还没有发生。

I'm back, I'm fully back with my squash, but it's a long road.

我回来了，我的壁球完全回来了，但这是一条漫长的路。

It's a long road back to previous levels of fitness.

回到以前的健身水平还有很长的路要走。

Yeah, you can get back there, but I think it's so much easier to lose health

是的，你可以回到那里，但我认为失去健康

than it is to gain it back, isn't it?

比恢复健康 容易得多

It takes a lot longer to regain muscle or lose fat.

，不是吗？ 恢复肌肉或减掉脂肪需要更长的时间。

It's, it's a shame how that works.

这是，这是如何运作的耻辱。

Yeah.

My mum used to say, when I was eating biscuits she'd say "A minute on the lips,

是的。 我妈妈常说，当我吃饼干时，她会说“唇上一分钟，

a lifetime on the hips", thanks, mum.

臀部一生”，谢谢，妈妈。

Just before this podcast, I was feeling a bit peckish, a bit

就在这个播客之前，我觉得有点饿，有点

hungry, so I picked up some cookies, some biscuits, and I was like...

饿，所以我拿起一些饼干，一些饼干，然后我就像……

I put it down and had like a handful of nuts instead.

我放下它，而是吃了一把坚果。

So I feel good about my morning.

所以我早上感觉很好。

Well done.

做得好。

Well done.

We...

做得好。

我们...

see this, this tin behind us is full of ginger snap biscuits.

看到这个，我们身后的罐头里装满了姜饼。

My in-laws keep buying us these same tins 'cause we were

我的姻亲一直给我们买这些相同的罐头，因为我们就像

like, "oh, they're amazing".

，“哦，他们太棒了”。

But I really wish they wouldn't because I just can't stop eating them.

但我真的希望他们不会因为我不能停止吃它们。

It's terrible, especially when it's cold.

太可怕了，尤其是在寒冷的时候。

Next time I'm in Cornwall, you'll have to tell me where I can go to have

下次我在康沃尔时，你必须告诉我我可以去哪里

a good walk or a scramble perhaps.

散步或攀爬。

Yeah,

likewise.

对， 同样。

When I'm in Surrey, I don't think I've been to Surrey before.

当我在萨里时，我认为我以前从未去过萨里。

I'm not sure.

So we'll have to let each other know.

我不知道。

所以我们必须让彼此知道。

Yeah,

是的，

yeah, absolutely.

是的，绝对。

Well, thank you so much.

好吧，非常感谢你。

Can you let the listeners and viewers know where they can find you?

你能让听众和观众知道他们可以在哪里找到你吗？

Of course.

So there's Level Up English Podcast.

当然。

所以有 Level Up English Podcast。

My website is Levelupenglish.school, and you'll find me as well

我的网站是 Levelupenglish.school，你也会找到我

on YouTube, Instagram.

在 YouTube、Instagram 上。

Yeah.

Fantastic.

是的。 极好的。

Thank you everyone for listening.

谢谢大家的聆听。

Take care and bye.

保重，再见。

Bye everyone.

回见了各位。

Thank you for listening to today's podcast.

感谢您收听今天的播客。

Don't forget that if you want to join my club to download the transcripts,

如果您想加入我的俱乐部，请不要忘记下载成绩单，

become part of an online community, and to take part in some live,

成为在线社区的一员，并参加一些现场的、

face-to-face conversation classes.

面对面的对话课程。

Then check out my Conversation Club by clicking on the link.

然后点击链接查看我的对话俱乐部。

There'll also be links to Michael's podcast, website and YouTube

描述中 还会有指向 Michael 的播客、网站和 YouTube 频道的链接

channel down in the description.

。

Until next time everyone, take care and goodbye.

直到下次大家，保重，再见。