English Conversation Listening Practice - British English Podcast (With Level Up English)

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2023-02-22 ใƒป English Like A Native


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English Conversation Listening Practice - British English Podcast (With Level Up English)

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English Like A Native


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Okay, so today I've got Michael here from Level Up English.
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์ž, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ Level Up English์˜ Michael์„ ๋ชจ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:04
Hi Michael, how are you today?
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์•ˆ๋…• ๋งˆ์ดํด, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์–ด๋•Œ?
00:07
Hello.
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00:07
Thank you for having me.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:08
I'm very good.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹๋‹ค.
00:09
Good to see you.
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00:09
If I said to you, how are you?
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๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ€์›Œ.
๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
00:11
And you turned around and said, "well, actually, I'm having a terrible
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋Œ์•„์„œ์„œ "๊ธ€์Ž„, ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋”์ฐํ•œ
00:14
day", it is not the done thing is?
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:16
I think in general, unless you are really, really close to someone.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ, ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊น์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
Uh, when you say, "how are you?"
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์–ด, "์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด?"
00:23
You're just looking for a very quick "Yes, I'm fine.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์•„์ฃผ ๋น ๋ฅธ "์˜ˆ, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
00:25
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:26
Let's carry on".
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค"๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
It's like an icebreaker or an introduction to your conversation,
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์‡„๋น™์„ ์ด๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์†Œ๊ฐœ์™€ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ
00:31
but genuinely Michael, how are you?
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์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ Michael, ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด์„ธ์š”?
00:36
Well, I'm a bit cold.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ถ”์›Œ.
00:37
I've got painful knees, you know.
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๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์ด ์•„ํŒŒ์š”.
00:40
What happened to your knees?
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๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์— ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
00:42
They're always bad.
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00:42
I did a long walk yesterday, um, for a few hours.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚˜์˜๋‹ค.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ด์ œ, ์Œ, ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ธด ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
Sitting down too much, walking too much, not having a balance of each...
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ์•‰๊ณ , ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฑท๊ณ , ๊ฐ๊ฐ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ์•ˆ๋งž๊ณ ...
00:51
Right.
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00:51
Okay.
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00:51
...I think isn't good for your joints, is it?
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๋งž์•„์š”.
์ข‹์•„์š”. ...๊ด€์ ˆ์— ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
00:53
Yeah.
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00:53
I find when I'm static.
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์‘. ์ •์ ์ผ ๋•Œ ์ฐพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:55
Static's a nice way to describe being very still.
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Static์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ์š”ํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
When I'm static, so if I have a day in the office just sat at my desk,
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์ •์ ์ธ ์ƒํƒœ์ผ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์ฑ…์ƒ์— ์•‰์•„๋งŒ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
01:02
I have to actually stand up quite a few times because I start to feel
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๋ฌด๋ฆŽ, ์—‰๋ฉ์ด, ๋“ฑ์ด ์•„ํ”Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ
01:07
like my knees hurt, my hips, my back,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฝค ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ์ผ์–ด์„œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:10
I feel like an old lady.
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๋…ธ๋ถ€์ธ.
01:12
Is walking something that you do often?
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๊ฑท๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
01:16
It is, yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
I mean I try...
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์ œ ๋ง์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
01:19
I successfully try, I would say, to do it every day, go for at least a...
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์ €๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ ์–ด๋„... ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
01:24
you know, half an hour walk if I can.
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, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด 30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ๊ฑธ์œผ์„ธ์š”.
01:26
It's something I really enjoy.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
I mean, there's nothing I enjoy more really than putting in a podcast,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋“  ๋น›์ด ๋‚˜๋“  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
01:31
going through a walk, rain or shine.
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๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:34
It might just be the same route I've done a thousand times, or it might be
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. ์ฒœ ๋ฒˆ์€ ๊ฐ€๋ดค๋˜ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธธ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
01:38
somewhere new I haven't been before.
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธธ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:40
You said come rain or shine.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋น›๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
That's a nice little phrase, isn't it?
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๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ž‘์€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ์ฃ ?
01:43
Yeah.
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์‘.
01:44
It's like whether it's raining or it's sunny, doesn't matter to me.
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๋น„๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋“  ๋ง‘๋“  ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:47
I'll go out.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ๊ฒŒ.
01:49
So do you have all the kit then?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํ‚คํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
01:50
All the gear?
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๋ชจ๋“  ์žฅ๋น„?
01:51
I've got like a nice winter coat that keeps me warm, but it's not waterproof,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๊ฒจ์šธ ์ฝ”ํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฐฉ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ
01:56
so I might come back a bit soggy and wet, but I dry my clothes out and
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ถ•์ถ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ –์–ด ๋Œ์•„์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ท์„ ๋ง๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
02:00
I find actually the discomfort of walking in the rain makes arriving
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋น—์†์„ ๊ฑท๋Š” ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์ด
02:07
home more enjoyable, you know?
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์ง‘์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค. ๋” ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:10
So we'd probably call this hiking, right?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
02:12
If you're going for a long walk, maybe over surfaces that aren't level, so it
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๊ธด ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ํ‰ํ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ง€๋ฉด ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ
02:17
might not be an actual purpose-built path, but you're walking in the countryside
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์‹ค์ œ ์šฉ๋„๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„ ๊ธธ์ด ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹œ๊ณจ
02:23
or in the hills, in the mountains.
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์ด๋‚˜ ์–ธ๋•, ์‚ฐ์„ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:25
This would be hiking.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
Really?
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02:26
Mm-hmm.
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02:26
Wouldn't it?
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์ •๋ง?
์Œ-ํ . ์•ˆ ๊ทธ๋ž˜?
02:27
Mm-hmm yeah.
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02:27
Yeah.
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์Œ-ํ  ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
์‘.
02:28
And I think having a good pair of shoes is really important
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ข‹์€ ์‹ ๋ฐœ ํ•œ ์ผค๋ ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:32
if you are into your hiking.
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.
02:33
So tell me, you've got some good walking shoes.
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์ข‹์€ ์šด๋™ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
02:37
No!?
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”!?
02:38
Well, I'm kind of a minimalist, so I only have one pair of shoes at a time, and the
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ์—ฌ์„œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์— ํ•œ ์ผค๋ ˆ์˜ ์‹ ๋ฐœ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
02:42
one I have now, the pair I have now, I didn't realise until after I bought them,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ ๋ฐœ, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ ๋ฐœ์€ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชฐ๋ž์ง€๋งŒ
02:47
but they're not good for wet weather...
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, ์Šตํ•œ ๋‚ ์”จ์—๋Š” ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
02:50
Right.
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02:50
...like even if it's just like a wet field with like grass, my feet will be soaked.
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ...๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ’€ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ’€๋ฐญ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋‚ด ๋ฐœ์ด ํ ๋ป‘ ์ –์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€.
02:55
Oh, I've kind of got used to it.
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์˜ค, ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
In fact, there's a video on my YouTube channel where I was walking on Dartmoor,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ œ ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ ์ฑ„๋„์—
03:02
like a national park here in the UK and, I was like filming and I jumped
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์˜๊ตญ์˜ ๊ตญ๋ฆฝ๊ณต์› ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹คํŠธ๋ฌด์–ด ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ดฌ์˜ํ•˜๋“ฏ
03:08
across a little stream and I thought it was flat ground, but it was like a bog.
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์ž‘์€ ๊ฐœ์šธ์„ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋„˜์–ด ํ‰์ง€์ธ ์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋Šช์ง€.
03:13
So it was very, very soft mossy ground, saturated with water.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌผ์— ํ ๋ป‘ ์ –์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ด๋ผ ๋‚€ ๋•…์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:20
It looked stable, but it wasn't.
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์•ˆ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์˜€์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.
03:22
So I ended up like up to my knees in water.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฌผ์— ์ž ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:25
Oh no.
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์•ˆ ๋ผ.
03:26
Um, walking boots.
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์Œ, ์›Œํ‚น ๋ถ€์ธ .
03:27
Wouldn't have saved me then anyway.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“  ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊ตฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
No.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”
03:30
Well, I've done some hiking in the Dolomites in Italy.
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. ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์˜ ๋Œ๋กœ๋ฏธํ‹ฐ์—์„œ ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์„ ์ข€ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:33
Mm-hmm.
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03:33
Nice.
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์Œ-ํ .
๋ฉ‹์ง„.
03:34
And we did, um, I think we did six weeks out in Argentina
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋ฅดํ—จํ‹ฐ๋‚˜์—์„œ 6์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ๊ณ 
03:37
and, and went to Patagonia.
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ํŒŒํƒ€๊ณ ๋‹ˆ์•„์— ๊ฐ”๋‹ค.
03:39
So I think having decent shoes, good socks, uh, you know, and a
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€ ์‹ ๋ฐœ, ์ข‹์€ ์–‘๋ง, ์–ด, ์•„์‹œ
03:45
windproof jacket if nothing else.
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ฐฉํ’ ์žฌํ‚ท์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
03:48
Yeah.
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03:48
Did you have the crampons, like the spiked shoes to go on the ice?
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์‘.
์–ผ์Œ ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ŠคํŒŒ์ดํฌ ์‹ ๋ฐœ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํฌ๋žจํฐ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:52
Did you have that?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:53
No.
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03:53
No.
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์•„๋‹ˆ.
์•„๋‹ˆ.
03:54
So we..., this is one of the stories I often tell, my dangerous adventure story.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”..., ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž์ฃผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์˜ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ๋ชจํ—˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ.
03:59
So we were out in the Dolomites and there was one walk called Punta Ana.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Dolomites์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  Punta Ana๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 1๊ฐœ์˜ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…๋กœ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
And this is actually via ferrata.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:07
Mm.
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Mm.
04:08
So via ferrata is where you are walking up a mountain, and it's not like, it's not
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋น„์•„ ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€๋Š” ์‚ฐ์„ ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฑ์‚ฐ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฏ€๋กœ
04:17
mountain climbing, so you're not climbing up a rock face, although sometimes on a
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์•”๋ฒฝ์„ ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋น„์•„
04:20
via ferrata you might have to, but it's generally walking on a mountain path,
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ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€์—์„œ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•”๋ฒฝ์„ ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฐ๊ธธ
04:24
but it could be a little bit treacherous.
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์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:27
And so there is a metal bar that's like a handrail that you have to clip onto
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‚œ๊ฐ„ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธˆ์† ๋ง‰๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ํด๋ฆฝ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑธ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:32
that goes all the way along the walks.
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.
04:34
So there's one called Punta Ana, and it was in what we call the shoulder season,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ‘ผํƒ€ ์•„๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ˆ„๋” ์‹œ์ฆŒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:41
which is when it's not quite the high season, when it's nice and warm, and it's
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์„ฑ์ˆ˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ณ„์ ˆ์ด๊ณ  ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ณ  ์ข‹์€ ๊ณ„์ ˆ์ด๋ฉฐ
04:44
not the down season, the cold season.
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๋น„์ˆ˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ถ”์šด ๊ณ„์ ˆ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:46
So there was snow on the top of the mountains, but it was lovely and
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฐ๊ผญ๋Œ€๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋ˆˆ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
04:50
sunny at the bottom, you know, so we weren't really prepared for the snow.
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์‚ฐ๊ธฐ์Šญ์€ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ณ  ํ™”์ฐฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ˆˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:55
We set off late and we didn't have crampons, but we did have a rope...
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋Šฆ๊ฒŒ ์ถœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์•„์ด์  ์€ ์—†์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋กœํ”„๋Š” ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
05:00
Important!
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์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
05:01
And we came to one bit that was like a saddleback, so it was like
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋“ค๋ฐฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
05:04
between two like hilly sections.
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์–ธ๋•์ด ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‘ ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ์ด ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:07
There was this just ridge that you had to walk across, which I'm sure
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์ด ์‚ฐ๋“ฑ์„ฑ์ด๋Š” ๊ฑธ์–ด์„œ ๊ฑด๋„ˆ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:11
in the dry weather would've been fine, but with it covered in snow...
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๊ฑด์กฐํ•œ ๋‚ ์”จ๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•˜์„ ํ…๋ฐ ๋ˆˆ์œผ๋กœ ๋’ค๋ฎ์ธ ์ƒํƒœ์—์„œ...
05:17
and it's a sheer drop on either side of the saddleback.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋“ค๋ฐฑ ์–‘์ชฝ์— ๊นŽ์•„์ง€๋ฅธ ๋“ฏํ•œ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:19
So you're walking across this ridge that's covered in snow and I was
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ˆˆ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฎ์ธ ์ด ์‚ฐ๋“ฑ์„ฑ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
05:21
like, this is just so dangerous.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
One slip and it's sudden death.
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋„๋Ÿฌ์ง๊ณผ ์„œ๋“  ๋ฐ์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:25
This is no messing around.
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์žฅ๋‚œ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
This is death.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃฝ์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
So we used the rope that we had to go over the rope that was supposed
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋น„์•„ ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋กœํ”„๋ฅผ ๋„˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋กœํ”„๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
05:32
to be for the via ferrata, but that was very high above our heads.
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์œ„๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
So we, we looped this rope over, tied one side around my partner,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ฐง์ค„์„ ๊ฐ๊ณ  ํ•œ ์ชฝ์€ ์ œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•œ ์ชฝ์€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฌถ๊ณ ,
05:40
one side around me, and we said, if you fall, the other person has to
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋„˜์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์žก๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ชฝ์—์„œ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ
05:44
jump off the other side to balance.
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ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
05:48
And then we, we, you know, very carefully walked across this saddleback,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์•ˆ์žฅ ๋“ฑ์„ ์•„์ฃผ ์กฐ์‹ฌ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋กœ์งˆ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฑธ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:51
but what we realised was, you know, we weren't gonna turn back now.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋˜๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:54
This was getting serious.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
05:55
Mm-hmm.
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์Œ-ํ .
05:56
And then we had a sheer rock face in front of us, a vertical rock face
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—๋Š” ๊นŽ์•„์ง€๋ฅธ ๋“ฏํ•œ ์•”๋ฒฝ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ˆ˜์ง ์•”๋ฒฝ์„
06:00
that we had to properly climb up.
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์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:03
Again we only had walking boots on, which was a mistake because our
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์›Œํ‚น ๋ถ€์ธ ๋งŒ ์‹ ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐœ์ด ๋ฐ”์œ„์—์„œ ๊ณ„์† ๋ฏธ๋„๋Ÿฌ์ ธ์„œ
06:06
feet kept slipping off the rocks.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:07
It was awful.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋”์ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
06:09
Again, we knew at this point we can't come back now.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋Œ์•„์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:11
We can't come back.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋Œ์•„์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:13
That's the scary part.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:14
We were halfway up and we realised we were making bad time.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜์ฏค ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ”๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:18
The last cable car from the top of the mountain was gonna go really
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์‚ฐ๊ผญ๋Œ€๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์˜ค๋Š” ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์ผ€์ด๋ธ”์นด๋Š” ์ •๋ง
06:21
soon, and that was it for the season.
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๊ณง ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์‹œ์ฆŒ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
That was gonna be the last cable car for the season, and we were too far
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์‹œ์ฆŒ์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์ผ€์ด๋ธ”์นด๊ฐ€ ๋  ํ…๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋’ค์ณ์ ธ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
06:27
behind, so we started shouting out.
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์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ฅด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:29
We could see there was some people far in the distance.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ € ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:32
Shouting out, saying, please, we're here.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:34
Don't go without us.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—†์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
06:35
Anyway, long story short.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๊ธด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์งง์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:37
We made it, we were exhausted.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๊ณ  ์ง€์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
We made it just in time.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:40
They were holding the cable car for us and they said, you know..
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผ€์ด๋ธ”์นด๋ฅผ ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.. ์™€์šฐ
06:42
Wow!
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!
06:43
"...we, we were about to pull out the mattresses at the station for you
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"...์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ฐค์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์—ญ์—์„œ ๋งคํŠธ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
06:47
to spend the night up here, but you would've had to hike out the next day."
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, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๋‚  ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
06:51
And I, and we would had no food.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์™€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์Œ์‹์ด ์—†์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:52
You know, it was just, it was a very dangerous situation.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋งค์šฐ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:57
Have you ever had anything like that?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:59
Yeah.
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06:59
Your story is terrifying.
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์‘. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋”์ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:00
I'm really glad you made it...
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
07:01
made it back okay.
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์ž˜ ๋Œ์•„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:02
But yeah, like, I guess I must have been about like 15 or something and my dad
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ 15์‚ด ์ •๋„์˜€์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ ์•„๋น ๊ฐ€
07:07
took me on a via ferrata in the Alps.
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๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์•Œํ”„์Šค์˜ ๋น„์•„ ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€์…จ๋‹ค.
07:11
Okay.
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07:11
And I didn't really know what it was.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:14
I kind of trusted my dad, like, yeah, it'll be fine.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:16
And it kind of starts out climbing a ladder.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์˜ค๋ฅด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:18
It's not too bad.
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๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:19
You have to have yourself hooked in with your harness and your...
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ํ•˜๋„ค์Šค์™€ ๋กœํ”„ ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:24
your ropes.
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07:24
So it's not really possible to fall.
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.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •๋ง ๋–จ์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:28
Although I kind of always think, why are we trusting these metal poles?
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์™œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๊ธˆ์† ๋ง‰๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์‹ ๋ขฐํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
07:32
Like, you know, everything breaks one day.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊นจ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:34
How do we know it's not gonna be today...
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์˜ค๋Š˜์ด ์•„๋‹์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๊ฒ ์–ด...
07:37
Um, but then as we ascended, it turned more and more into a cliff.
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์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ์ ์  ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์–ด.
07:42
And I think, as you said before, it was like a cliff.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๊นŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฒผ๋ž‘ ๊ฐ™์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
07:44
It was just vertical and it was, you know, just like ladders and
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ˆ˜์ง์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ™์žก์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธˆ์† ๋ฌผ์ฒด์™€
07:49
metal things you had to hold onto.
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๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
07:51
So it was like proper climbing, but it was safe.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋œ ๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜ ๊ฐ™์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•ˆ์ „ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:56
Yeah.
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07:56
And it was, you know, good holds to hold onto, but looking
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ™์žก๊ธฐ์— ์ข‹์€ ํ™€๋“œ์˜€์ง€๋งŒ,
08:01
below me and just seeing...
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๋‚ด ์•„๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„...
08:03
for me in my, you know, younger mind, it felt like hundreds of feet below me.
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์ Š์€ ๋งˆ์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ํ”ผํŠธ ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:07
I don't know how much it really was, but it was just terrifying.
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์ •๋ง ์–ผ๋งˆ์˜€๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฌด์„œ์› ์–ด์š”.
08:11
And we didn't...
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08:11
We made it to the top, but if you look back on the photos of that day,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”...
์ •์ƒ์— ์˜ฌ๋ž์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋‚ ์˜ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋ฉด
08:15
you can see like my face is just grumpy for the whole day after that.
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๊ทธ ํ›„๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๋‚ด ์–ผ๊ตด์ด ์‹ฌ์ˆ ๊ถ‚์€ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
I was in such a bad mood.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.
08:21
I think I'd just been traumatised, you know.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํŠธ๋ผ์šฐ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
08:24
What worries me about the via ferrata is you have to have a special
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๋น„์•„ ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •๋˜๋Š” ์ ์€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ• 
08:28
harness thing to hook on with.
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ํŠน์ˆ˜ ํ•˜๋„ค์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
08:30
So you have your harness...
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•˜๋„ค์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
08:31
...which is what you wear, and then you would normally, with climbing,
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...๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜ํ•  ๋•Œ
08:35
you'd have a rope and some carabiners, which are the connecting metal loops.
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์—ฐ๊ฒฐ ๊ธˆ์† ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ธ ๋กœํ”„์™€ ์นด๋ผ๋น„๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:41
That's right, isn't it?
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08:41
Carabiners?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
์นด๋ผ๋น„๋„ˆ?
08:42
Yeah.
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์‘.
08:43
When you do via ferrata, you have a special, I think it's called a tether,
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ํŽ˜๋ผํƒ€๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํ…Œ๋”๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:47
um, a special tether that is all bunched up into a short, what feels
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์Œ, ์งง์€ ๋ฐง์ค„์ด๋‚˜ ์งง์€ ๋ฆฌ๋“œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์ง€๊ณ 
08:54
like a short rope or a short lead, and to connect from your harness through
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ํ•˜๋„ค์Šค์—์„œ
08:58
to your carabiner that you hook on.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฑธ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์นด๋ผ๋น„๋„ˆ์—.
09:00
So it feels short.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์งง๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
But then what would happen is if you fell this tether tears and it
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด ํ…Œ๋”๋ฅผ ๋–จ์–ด๋œจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
09:06
releases quite a long stretch of like, I don't know, 10 metres or something.
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10๋ฏธํ„ฐ ์ •๋„์˜ ๊ฝค ๊ธด ๊ธธ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ์ถœํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์งˆ๊นŒ์š”?
09:12
It's quite a long stretch.
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๊ฝค ๊ธด ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์นญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:14
Mm.
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09:14
Okay.
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09:14
So it's all bunched up inside this tether.
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Mm. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ํ…Œ๋” ์•ˆ์— ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ชจ์—ฌ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:16
It tears open if you fall.
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๋„˜์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ์ฐข์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:19
And the idea is that it, it's taking some of the momentum out of your fall
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฐข์–ด์งˆ ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚™ํ•˜๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ถ”์ง„๋ ฅ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋นผ์•—๊ณ 
09:23
as it's tearing, it's slowing your fall down because if you were to just...
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚™ํ•˜ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋Šฆ์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹จ์ง€...
09:27
you need space.
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:28
But if you were to fall and you had a lot of rope, you could get tangled up in it.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„˜์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ๋ฐง์ค„์ด ๋งŽ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์•ˆ์— ์—‰ํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:33
And also the momentum, by the time you hit the end of the rope, the momentum
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ํ•œ ์šด๋™๋Ÿ‰์€ ๋กœํ”„์˜ ๋์„ ์น  ๋•Œ์ฏค์ด๋ฉด ์šด๋™๋Ÿ‰์ด
09:38
would be so hard, you'd break your back...
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์„œ ๋“ฑ์ด ๋ถ€๋Ÿฌ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
09:39
mm-hmm.
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์Œ-ํ .
09:40
or some bones from your harness.
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋„ค์Šค์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ผˆ.
09:42
It would just be too much impact.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:44
So it has to slow your descent.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•˜๊ฐ• ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋Šฆ์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:46
So that's when you have this tearing...
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด ์ฐข์–ด์ง€๋Š”...
09:48
interesting
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด
09:49
...to release the rope inside this tether.
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...์ด ํ…Œ๋” ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐง์ค„์„ ํ’€์–ด์ค„ ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:53
Which means if you have a fall and you tear it, it's used, you can't
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์ฆ‰, ๋„˜์–ด์ ธ ์ฐข์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
10:00
restitch it, so it's, it's done.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฟฐ๋งฌ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์™„๋ฃŒ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:03
So you have your fall, you use your tether, and it's like releasing
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚™ํ•˜์‚ฐ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚™ํ•˜์‚ฐ์„ ๋†“๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
10:09
your parachute, but then you need to get back in the plane and carry
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ
10:11
on and jump out the plane again.
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ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
10:14
You'd be unlucky to fall twice though, wouldn't you?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ๋„˜์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ์šด์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
10:16
Well, so, but if you...
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด...
10:17
imagine you're, you're tired and the weather's bad.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ ์”จ๋„ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:19
Yeah.
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10:19
You're halfway up a mountain or halfway through a via ferreta and
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์‘. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‚ฐ์„ ๋ฐ˜์ฏค ์˜ค๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋น„์•„ ํŽ˜๋ ˆํƒ€๋ฅผ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•˜๋Š” ๋„์ค‘์— ๋„˜์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
10:23
you fall, your tether's done, spent.
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, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฐง์ค„์€ ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:26
Then you have to climb yourself back onto the..., you know, you
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์œ„๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์•„์‹œ
10:30
might be hanging from an overhang.
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋Œ์ถœ๋ถ€์— ๋งค๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:32
Somehow you have to get back onto the mountain, back onto the
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‚ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ธธ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
10:35
path, and then, and then you...
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, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€...
10:39
what do you do then?
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:40
You've got no safety rope, not really, not a, not a genuine one that's gonna actually
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๋‹น์‹  ์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฐ๋ ค๋‹ค
10:44
work for you, to get you either all the way there or all the way back, you know?
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์ค„ ์•ˆ์ „์ค„๋„, ์ •๋ง, ์ •๋ง, ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ง„์งœ ๋ฐง์ค„๋„ ์—†์–ด์š” .
10:50
Mm-hmm.
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10:50
That's always what bothered me when we were doing these very long, quite
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์Œ-ํ .
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๊ธธ๊ณ 
10:54
arduous hikes, is that potentially, if I have one fall in the middle, then...
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ํž˜๋“  ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ €๋ฅผ ๊ดด๋กญํ˜”๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž ์žฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋„˜์–ด์ง€๋ฉด...
11:01
I'll, I'll be without any real safety afterwards.
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๋‚˜์ค‘์—๋Š” ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ์•ˆ์ „์ด ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:05
Yeah.
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11:05
I feel like that's a difference between us and the pros, right?
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์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ”„๋กœ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
11:08
The pros seem to not, the professionals, they don't, they
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์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
11:11
don't think about this almost.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:12
It's like they, they take precautions, but the idea of failing
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฉ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹คํŒจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€
11:16
isn't even an option for them.
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์„ ํƒ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:17
Like if you've seen people do free soloing where they climb cliffs
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๋ฐง์ค„์ด๋‚˜ ์•ˆ์ „ ์žฅ๋น„ ์—†์ด ํ˜ผ์ž
11:21
without any rope or safety equipment.
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์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์„ ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š” .
11:25
Like I guess, I imagine they just don't have the concept of failing.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์‹คํŒจ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:28
Like it's not even in their mind.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์—๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ.
11:30
'cause if it were, probably it's more likely to happen.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:34
I guess that's how it works.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:35
Things like gymnastics and, and climbing as well, but with
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์ฒด์กฐ๋‚˜ ํด๋ผ์ด๋ฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ
11:39
gymnastics it's like 95% mental.
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์ฒด์กฐ๋Š” ์ •์‹ ๋ ฅ์ด 95%๋‚˜ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:44
Like what you are thinking is what's going to happen.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ผ์€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:48
So you have to get your mind in the right place and not think about falling.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์— ๋‘์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋–จ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:52
If you think about it, if you visualise it, it will more likely happen.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:56
Mm-hmm.
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11:56
And if you are scared, you hold back and you tense up in a way that will cause
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์Œ-ํ .
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‘๋ ค์šด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
12:01
the incident or the accident to happen.
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์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ด๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ฃผ์ €ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธด์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:03
Fear is an obstacle to overcome, but at the same time, it is there to protect us.
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๋‘๋ ค์›€์€ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์žฅ์• ๋ฌผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:07
So it's, it's..., I guess there's a balance of appropriate
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€...
12:10
levels of fear, isn't there?
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๊ณตํฌ์˜ ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
12:11
But I guess I can relate to that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:13
Like I'm a big fan of, I dunno what you'd call it, it's a bit like scrambling.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์—ด๋ ฌํ•œ ํŒฌ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅผ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์Šคํฌ๋žจ๋ธ”๋ง๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:18
It's not climbing.
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๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:19
I'm not a fan of that after my traumatic childhood, but more like, um,
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ํŠธ๋ผ์šฐ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์€ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์‹œ์ ˆ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ํ›„๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ์Œ,
12:24
... It's where you use your hands and feet, isn't it?
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... ์†๊ณผ ๋ฐœ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
12:26
it's where you use your hands and feet to climb up like rocky terrain.
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์†๊ณผ ๋ฐœ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฐ”์œ„ ์ง€ํ˜•์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:30
I feel like it's like parkour in the countryside.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์‹œ๊ณจ์—์„œ ํŒŒ์ฟ ๋ฅด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด๋‹ค.
12:34
Like I love kind of jumping over rocks, jumping over rivers and stuff like that.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”์œ„๋ฅผ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋„˜๊ณ , ๊ฐ•์„ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋„˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”.
12:38
I think I'm quite good on my feet in that sense.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐœ์ด ๊ฝค ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค.
12:41
But as soon as you start to think about how it could go wrong, then you mess up.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž˜๋ชป๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ž๋งˆ์ž ์—‰๋ง์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:45
Yeah.
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12:45
Like imagine you're jumping over a stream.
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์‘. ๊ฐœ์šธ์„ ๋›ฐ์–ด ๋„˜๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
12:47
It's quite a big stream, a wide stream.
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๊ฝค ํฐ ๊ฐœ์šธ, ๋„“์€ ๊ฐœ์šธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:49
If you think about like, oh, it's too big, it's...
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์•„, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํฌ๋ฉด..
12:52
I can't do it, then you're gonna fall in.
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๋ชปํ•˜๊ฒ ์–ด,
12:54
But if you just focus on the other side and you just go for it, then
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋น ์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋ผ
12:57
you'll almost definitely do it.
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. ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:59
So it is very mental.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ •์‹ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:01
Many things are.
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:02
I always think if you were able to live for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ๋…„, ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ๋…„, ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ๋…„์„ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
13:06
years, would we just end up being bored?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:08
Would we exhaust all the options of, you know, adrenaline sports?
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์•„๋“œ๋ ˆ๋‚ ๋ฆฐ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์˜ต์…˜์„ ์†Œ์ง„ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
13:14
Would nothing excite us anymore?
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํฅ๋ถ„์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
13:16
Well, a counter-argument to that,
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๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐ˜๋ก ์€
13:18
it depends what you mean by living, how, how we would live for that
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ,
13:21
long, because, and really interesting thing I like to think about is, say
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์‚ด ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์— ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:24
if we discovered through medicine, like how to, how to live for
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, ์ฒœ๋…„์„ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•
13:29
a thousand years, I think we'd be the most risk averse species.
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, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์ข…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
You know, we, we wouldn't do anything risky because let's say
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด
13:39
you are like I dunno, 40 years old, and you sadly pass away doing
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด 40์‚ด์ด๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
13:45
something dangerous, it's very sad.
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์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์Šฌํ”„๊ฒŒ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์Šฌํ”ˆ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
But I guess you're like middle-aged then, aren't you?
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๊ทผ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ค‘๋…„ ๊ฐ™์ฃ ?
13:52
You, you can...
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13:52
Yes, I am middle-aged Michael
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๋‹น์‹ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ์ค‘๋…„์˜ ๋งˆ์ดํด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:56
Oh, I'm so sorry.
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13:56
I don't know your age, I promise.
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์˜ค, ์ •๋ง ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚˜์ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์•ฝ์†ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:58
I'm 41.
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์ €๋Š” 41์‚ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:59
I'm 41.
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41์‚ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:00
You don't look it.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:01
You look very, very young.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์–ด๋ ค ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:02
Look younger than me and I'm...
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๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ์–ด๋ ค๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ๋‚œ...
14:03
it's okay.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„.
14:04
I'm only playing with you.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋†€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
I don't mind.
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๋‚œ ์ƒ๊ด€ ์—†์–ด.
14:07
Oh, you've made me, um feel awkward now.
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์˜ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ, ์Œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:10
No, it's okay.
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์•„๋‹ˆ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„.
14:11
But I get what you mean.
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14:11
It's, it's relative, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
You feel like you've, you've lived half your life.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์„ ์‚ฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:15
If I were to die tomorrow, it wouldn't be as sad as if I died when I was 15
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด์ผ ์ฃฝ๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด 15์‚ด ๋•Œ ์ฃฝ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒํผ ์Šฌํ”„์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:20
because there's less life ahead of me now than there was when I was a teenager.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด 10๋Œ€์˜€์„ ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚ด ์•ž์— ๋‚จ์€ ์‚ถ์ด ๋” ์ ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:24
Yes.
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14:24
And if you were to live to a thousand, if that were possible when you
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์˜ˆ.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฒœ๋ช…๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ฐ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
14:27
died at 40 or even 80, that would be a huge tragedy because you're
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40์„ธ๋‚˜ ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด 80์„ธ์— ์ฃฝ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋น„๊ทน์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
14:32
missing out on most of your life.
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์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋†“์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:33
Yeah.
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์‘.
14:34
So I feel like people wouldn't do as much if we lived for that long, you know?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์‚ด๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์š”.
14:38
Yeah.
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14:38
We'd be much more cautious, I imagine.
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์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:40
Yeah.
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14:40
And maybe we'd work harder on our relationships.
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์ผํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:42
And it's interesting to think how, what we would do for careers.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ, ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:47
Would we actually change careers many times and try out many different things?
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ง์—…์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‹œ๋„๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
14:52
It would certainly give us more options, wouldn't it?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์„ ํƒ๊ถŒ์„ ์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
14:55
Uh, yeah.
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์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
14:56
I wonder because there's a lot of projects that people have
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ์ด์ „์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ
15:00
started before that they...
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๋งŽ์€ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:02
I think about big cathedrals and things and space programs that they
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. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํฐ ์„ฑ๋‹น๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ๊ณผ ์šฐ์ฃผ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:05
know they're not gonna see the end of which is always really amazing
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ „๋…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
15:09
that people can commit themselves to doing part of a project in their life.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:13
But I imagine there'd be a lot more people doing important stuff
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
15:16
like, "okay, I'm gonna dedicate my life to curing this disease.
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"์ข‹์•„, ์ด ์งˆ๋ณ‘์„ ์น˜๋ฃŒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋‚ด ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”์น ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
15:20
(it) Might take me 500 years, but it's doable".
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(๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€) 500๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค"์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:24
I wonder how, um, how we'd look if we lived to a thousand.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 1000์‚ด๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ฐ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–จ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:29
You see some people who...
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:31
who do manage to make it to a hundred, but our bodies aren't really built...
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ 100์‚ด๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ชธ์€
15:35
really for, for surviving that long.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:38
It is interesting when you touch, we touch on longevity and things.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งŒ์งˆ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์žฅ์ˆ˜์™€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŒ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:41
I actually follow, a chap called David Sinclair, he's someone
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ David Sinclair๋ผ๋Š” ๋…€์„์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š”
15:46
who I've mentioned a lot.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:48
Yeah.
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15:48
And we actually adjust our lifestyle to, to kind of follow some of the things
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ƒํ™œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์กฐ์ •ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:53
that he teaches to help you to live a longer life because I really would
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์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋„๋ก ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:57
like to live for a very long time.
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.
16:00
I certainly want to live till I'm a hundred.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ฐฑ ์‚ด๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.
16:03
I don't know if I'll get there, but..., even if I make it to 80,
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐˆ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ..., 80์ด ๋˜์–ด๋„
16:05
I want to make sure that I'm as healthy as I can be until that age.
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๊ทธ ๋‚˜์ด๊นŒ์ง€ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
16:10
That's the key, isn't it?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด์ง€, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€?
16:11
Yeah.
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16:11
I don't wanna be a burden.
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์‘.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค.
16:13
I mean, in my view, it's not all about numbers.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ˆซ์ž์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:15
Yeah.
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์‘. 100๋…„์„ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ 60๋…„์„ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 100๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ
16:16
It's about, you know, I'd rather live 60 healthy years than a hundred years
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16:22
where half of them are not, you know, in good condition when you can't do much.
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๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:27
Yeah.
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16:27
And you know, I've got two children, I would've liked more children, but
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์‘.
์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
16:30
you know, that just hasn't happened.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:33
And I don't want to be that burden on my children.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ง์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:36
I don't want them to have to, you know, figure out if they're gonna put me in a
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ง‘์— ๊ฐ€๋‘˜์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€
16:40
home or have to, you know, look after me.
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์•Œ์•„๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
16:42
And I'd love to be able to be very active with my grandchildren as well
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์†์ฃผ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ•๋ณต์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ ์†์ฃผ๋“ค๊ณผ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ํ™œ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ™œ๋™ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:46
if I'm blessed with grandchildren.
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.
16:49
And so, you know, getting out and, and walking on a regular basis.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ๊ฑท๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:52
They do say that you should walk around 10,000 steps a day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10,000๋ณด ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
A lot.
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16:57
Yeah.
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๋งŽ์ด.
์‘.
16:58
A lot.
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16:58
I think in modern life, doing a thousand, 10,000 steps a day is a lot.
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๋งŽ์ด.
ํ˜„๋Œ€ ์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ์ฒœ๋ณด, ๋งŒ๋ณด๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:03
What's that like?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋•Œ?
17:04
I guess an hour and a half roughly of walking.
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๋Œ€๋žต 1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋ฐ˜ ์ •๋„ ๊ฑท๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
17:06
I can really hear that.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:07
Cornish accent.
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์ฝ˜์›” ์–ด ์–ต์–‘.
17:12
It comes out in some, in certain words.
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ํŠน์ • ๋‹จ์–ด๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:13
Yeah.
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์‘.
17:14
We were talking about accents.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ต์–‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:15
I previously appeared on Michael's podcast, which you should all go and check
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์ €๋Š” ์ด์ „์— Michael์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์— ์ถœ์—ฐํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์•„์ง ์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€์ง€ ํ™•์ธ
17:18
out if you're not already familiar with it, which is the Level Up English podcast.
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ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” Level Up English ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:22
Right.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
17:23
There'll be links in the description here, so you can check that out.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋งํฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:26
Um, we were talking about accents and uh, Michael asked me if I could
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์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•…์„ผํŠธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ์–ด, Michael์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ
17:31
tell where he was from and I said it was quite hard to pinpoint.
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์ง€์ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:33
I said, somewhere, maybe around Bristol, he's actually Cornish.
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๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ†จ ์ฃผ๋ณ€ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ Cornish๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:37
And, um, the more I'm speaking with Michael, the more I can
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์Œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ Michael๊ณผ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‚˜๋Š”
17:40
hear the ah sound coming out.
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์•„ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:42
So that's why my reaction was, uh, came out there.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๋ฐ˜์‘์€, ์–ด, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:46
But yes, 10,000 steps a day.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10,000๊ฑธ์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:49
I think if you are sitting in an office and you are very busy,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐ”์˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
17:53
it's quite hard to get that in.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:55
Something I discovered recently though is you can get treadmills
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
17:58
that go underneath your desk.
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์ฑ…์ƒ ์•„๋ž˜์— ๋Ÿฌ๋‹๋จธ์‹ ์„ ๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:00
So if you did manage to get a standing desk, you can walk while you are working.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์Šคํƒ ๋”ฉ ๋ฐ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฑธ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:06
I've also seen ones where you can sit down, but it's like..., like
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์•‰์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ๋„ ๋ดค๋Š”๋ฐ...
18:10
bicycle pedals under the desk as well.
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์ฑ…์ƒ ๋ฐ‘์— ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ ํŽ˜๋‹ฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
18:11
I've heard they're quite good.
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๊ฝค ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:13
I wonder how much you'd be able to concentrate if you are, if you're
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹  ์ด ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜
18:16
moving, would it be as easy, especially when you're doing what we do?
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์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:19
You can't do a podcast when you've got something whirring,
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. ์œ™์œ™๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๋ฉด
18:22
to whir is like a noise, like a constant, {makes a whirring noise}.
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ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
18:27
You couldn't podcast with that, could you?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
18:28
Why is Michael doing this.
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๋งˆ์ดํด์ด ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ง€?
18:31
Moving side to side.
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์ขŒ์šฐ๋กœ ์›€์ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
Yeah, I do have a pull-up bar in my garden.
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ •์›์— ํ’€์—… ๋ฐ”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:37
'cause I really just enjoy just every now and again, just hanging
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์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๋‚œ ์ •๋ง ์ด๋”ฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋งค๋‹ฌ๋ ค์„œ
18:40
and trying to do a pull-up.
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ํ’€์—…์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ์ด์•ผ.
18:41
Can you do a pull-up?
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ํ’€์—…์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
18:43
Yes.
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18:43
I was gonna ask you how many you can do if, if any.
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์˜ˆ.
์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
Oh, well, I mean from a dead hang all the way up, I can probably only do one.
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์˜ค, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ๋ง์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ค‘๋‹จ๋œ ์ƒํƒœ์—์„œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:51
Mm-hmm.
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์Œ-ํ .
18:52
But if, uh, if it's kind of like with a bit of a jump up and maybe not going
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ, ์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ ํ”„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„
18:56
all the way back down again, then I can probably get out about three or four.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ €๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ ์„œ๋„ˆ ๋ฒˆ ์ •๋„๋Š” ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:00
Mm-hmm.
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์Œ-ํ .
19:01
I'm relatively strong in my upper body, but I was watching something, I think
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์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์ฒด๋Š” ๊ฐ•ํ•œ๋ฐ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋ณด๋‹ˆ
19:06
it was a YouTuber just the other day who said something, a large, I can't remember
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์ €๋ฒˆ์— ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„๊ฐ€ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•œ๊ฑฐ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ ํผ,
19:13
the figures, but a majority of Americans couldn't do one pull up from a dead hang.
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์ˆ˜์น˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ์•ˆ๋‚˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชปํ•จ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋“œ ํ–‰์—์„œ ํ’€์—…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
Yeah, I believe it.
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๋„ค, ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:21
And he was trying to put it to the test.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œํ—˜ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:23
He was just out in a, like a busy street asking people to come and
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฐ”์œ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์™€์„œ
19:26
do one pull-up and he'd give them a hundred dollars if they did.
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ํ„ฑ๊ฑธ์ด๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด 100๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:29
And surprisingly many people couldn't do it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:32
I think I, I think I saw that actually.
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
19:34
Did you?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€?
19:35
Yeah.
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19:35
Yeah.
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์‘.
์‘.
19:36
And some people, I think that was it, the YouTuber himself, he could
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ „๋ถ€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ํŠœ๋ฒ„ ์ž์‹ ์€
19:38
do it for a couple minutes or something, but most people couldn't.
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๋ช‡ ๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:41
Yeah, he did, he did like 21 pull-ups or something.
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๋„ค, ํ’€์—… 21๊ฐœ ์ •๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
19:44
He was like, um, he'd trained in the Marines or something.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์Œ, ํ•ด๋ณ‘๋Œ€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:48
It made me then want to go and do some pull-ups.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์„œ ํ’€์—…์„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:51
I think I could do, like, I could probably do like two or something.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ์ •๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:54
I'm not, I'm not very good, but I sometimes try at the gym I
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์ €๋Š” ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋” ์ œ๊ฐ€
19:56
go to, they've got a bar but I want to get better at that too.
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๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๊ฐ€๊ณค ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฐ”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:59
One is easy, two is a struggle.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์‰ฝ๊ณ  ๋‘˜์€ ํˆฌ์Ÿ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:01
Then after that, it, you know, it depends.
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๊ทธ ํ›„์—๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:04
When I was climbing, I could do a lot more pull-ups than, than I can now, and that's
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๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ง€๊ธˆ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ„ฑ๊ฑธ์ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑด
20:10
just because I'm not climbing very much.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:11
You do get a good bit of upper body strength with squash, and you certainly
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์Šค์ฟผ์‹œ๋กœ ์ƒ์ฒด ๊ทผ๋ ฅ์„ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
20:16
do with gymnastics, but during lockdown, I was pregnant with my second son,
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์ฒด์กฐ๋กœ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ด‰์‡„ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„๋“ค์„ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
20:20
and I put on four stone with my second pregnancy, which will mean nothing
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ž„์‹ ์œผ๋กœ 4์„์„ ์ฆ๋Ÿ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ ์•„๋ฌด ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:25
to you probably, but it's a lot.
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. ,ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:27
Usually you should put on about two stone with a pregnancy.
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๋ณดํ†ต ์ž„์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‘ ๋Œ ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์˜ฌ๋ ค์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
20:30
So I put on four, and that's because it was locked down.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 4๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋ถ™์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ž ๊ฒจ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:33
I couldn't go anywhere.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๋ฐ๋„ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋‹ค.
20:34
I couldn't measure myself.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ธก์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋‹ค.
20:35
I had no way of weighing myself, so I had no clue about my weight gain really.
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๋ชธ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋ฅผ ์žฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฒด์ค‘ ์ฆ๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹ค๋งˆ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:42
And so when I had my child, and then I came back to my sports,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:48
which was gymnastics and squash.
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์ฒด์กฐ์™€ ์Šค์ฟผ์‹œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:50
I had terrible knees because I'd gained all this weight.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฒด์ค‘์„ ์–ป์—ˆ ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์ด ๋”์ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:54
And it took me a lot longer to lose it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:56
And then all my muscles and my joints just weren't happy.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ทผ์œก๊ณผ ๊ด€์ ˆ์ด ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:00
So yeah, getting back into climbing and gymnastics still hasn't yet happened.
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์˜ˆ, ๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜๊ณผ ์ฒด์กฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ง ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:05
I'm back, I'm fully back with my squash, but it's a long road.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์Šค์ฟผ์‹œ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋Œ์•„์™”์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธธ์ด ๋ฉ€๋‹ค.
21:10
It's a long road back to previous levels of fitness.
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์ด์ „ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์ฒด๋ ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ธด ์—ฌ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:14
Yeah, you can get back there, but I think it's so much easier to lose health
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์„ ๋˜์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์žƒ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„
21:17
than it is to gain it back, isn't it?
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, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ˆ?
21:20
It takes a lot longer to regain muscle or lose fat.
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๊ทผ์œก์„ ํšŒ๋ณตํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง€๋ฐฉ์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:24
It's, it's a shame how that works.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:26
Yeah.
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21:26
My mum used to say, when I was eating biscuits she'd say "A minute on the lips,
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์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋น„์Šคํ‚ท์„ ๋จน์„ ๋•Œ "์ž…์ˆ ์— 1๋ถ„,
21:30
a lifetime on the hips", thanks, mum.
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์—‰๋ฉ์ด์— ํ‰์ƒ"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์—„๋งˆ.
21:35
Just before this podcast, I was feeling a bit peckish, a bit
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์ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ง์ „์— ๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๊ณ ํ”„๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€
21:37
hungry, so I picked up some cookies, some biscuits, and I was like...
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๊ณ ํŒ ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฟ ํ‚ค์™€ ๋น„์Šคํ‚ท์„ ์ง‘์–ด ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์น˜...
21:41
I put it down and had like a handful of nuts instead.
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๋‚ด๋ ค๋†“๊ณ  ๋Œ€์‹  ๊ฒฌ๊ณผ๋ฅ˜ ํ•œ ์›€ํผ์„ ๋จน์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:44
So I feel good about my morning.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์นจ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:45
Well done.
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์ž˜ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
21:46
Well done.
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21:46
We...
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์ž˜ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ...
21:47
see this, this tin behind us is full of ginger snap biscuits.
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์ด๊ฑฐ ๋ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋’ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ๊นกํ†ต์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ• ์Šค๋ƒ… ๋น„์Šคํ‚ท์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐจ ์žˆ์–ด.
21:52
My in-laws keep buying us these same tins 'cause we were
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์‹œ๋Œ ์‹๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ํ†ต์กฐ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์‚ฌ์ฃผ๋Š”๋ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
21:55
like, "oh, they're amazing".
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"์˜ค, ๊ต‰์žฅํ•˜๊ตฐ"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:57
But I really wish they wouldn't because I just can't stop eating them.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถœ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:00
It's terrible, especially when it's cold.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์ถ”์šธ ๋•Œ ๋”์ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:03
Next time I'm in Cornwall, you'll have to tell me where I can go to have
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๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ฝ˜์›”์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
22:08
a good walk or a scramble perhaps.
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์ข‹์€ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์ด๋‚˜ ์Šคํฌ๋žจ๋ธ”์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค˜์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:10
Yeah,
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22:10
likewise.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ.
22:11
When I'm in Surrey, I don't think I've been to Surrey before.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ Surrey์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ „์— Surrey์— ๊ฐ€๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
22:13
I'm not sure.
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22:13
So we'll have to let each other know.
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์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:15
Yeah,
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๋„ค,
22:16
yeah, absolutely.
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๋„ค, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:17
Well, thank you so much.
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:18
Can you let the listeners and viewers know where they can find you?
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์™€ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์„ ์•Œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
22:22
Of course.
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22:22
So there's Level Up English Podcast.
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๋ฌผ๋ก .
๋ ˆ๋ฒจ์—… ์˜์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:24
My website is Levelupenglish.school, and you'll find me as well
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์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” Levelupenglish.school์ด๋ฉฐ ์ € ๋˜ํ•œ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:29
on YouTube, Instagram.
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์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ, ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ.
22:32
Yeah.
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22:32
Fantastic.
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์‘. ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:33
Thank you everyone for listening.
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๊ฒฝ์ฒญํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:35
Take care and bye.
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์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์•ˆ๋…•.
22:37
Bye everyone.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ์•ˆ๋…•.
22:39
Thank you for listening to today's podcast.
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Don't forget that if you want to join my club to download the transcripts,
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๋‚ด ํด๋Ÿฝ์— ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•˜์—ฌ ์„ฑ์ ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์˜ ์ผ์›์ด ๋˜๊ณ 
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become part of an online community, and to take part in some live,
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๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ๋Œ€๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ˆ˜์—… ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ 
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face-to-face conversation classes.
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์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค .
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Then check out my Conversation Club by clicking on the link.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‚ด ๋Œ€ํ™” ํด๋Ÿฝ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์„ค๋ช…์—๋Š”
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There'll also be links to Michael's podcast, website and YouTube
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Michael์˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ, ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ๋ฐ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งํฌ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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channel down in the description.
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Until next time everyone, take care and goodbye.
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๋‹ค์Œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋‘๋“ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์•ˆ๋…•ํžˆ ๊ณ„์„ธ์š”.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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