English Conversation Listening Practice - British English Podcast (With Level Up English)

Okay, so today I've got Michael here from Level Up English.

Oke, se konsa jodi a mwen gen Michael isit la soti nan Level Up English.

Hi Michael, how are you today?

Bonjou Michael, kòman ou ye jodi a?

Hello.

Thank you for having me.

Bonjou.

Mèsi paske w genyen m.

I'm very good.

Mwen trè bon.

Good to see you.

If I said to you, how are you?

Bon wè ou.

Si mwen di ou, ki jan ou ye?

And you turned around and said, "well, actually, I'm having a terrible

Apre sa, ou vire epi li di, "byen, aktyèlman, mwen gen yon

day", it is not the done thing is?

jou terib", se pa bagay la fè se?

I think in general, unless you are really, really close to someone.

Mwen panse ke an jeneral, sof si ou reyèlman, reyèlman pre yon moun.

Uh, when you say, "how are you?"

Uh, lè ou di, "kòman ou ye?"

You're just looking for a very quick "Yes, I'm fine.

Ou jis ap chèche pou yon trè rapid "Wi, mwen byen.

Thank you.

Mèsi.

Let's carry on".

Ann kontinye".

It's like an icebreaker or an introduction to your conversation,

Se tankou yon brize glas oswa yon entwodiksyon nan konvèsasyon ou,

but genuinely Michael, how are you?

men vrèman Michael, ki jan ou ye?

Well, I'm a bit cold.

Bon, mwen yon ti jan frèt.

I've got painful knees, you know.

Mwen gen jenou douloure, ou konnen.

What happened to your knees?

Kisa ki rive jenou ou?

They're always bad.

I did a long walk yesterday, um, for a few hours.

Yo toujou move.

Mwen te fè yon ti mache yè, um, pou kèk èdtan.

Sitting down too much, walking too much, not having a balance of each...

Chita twòp, mache twòp, pa gen yon balans nan chak...

Right.

Okay.

...I think isn't good for your joints, is it?

Dwa.

Dakò. ...Mwen panse se pa bon pou jwenti ou, pa vre?

Yeah.

I find when I'm static.

Wi. Mwen jwenn lè mwen estatik.

Static's a nice way to describe being very still.

Statik se yon bon fason pou dekri ke yo te trè toujou.

When I'm static, so if I have a day in the office just sat at my desk,

Lè m 'estatik, kidonk si mwen gen yon jou nan biwo a jis chita nan biwo mwen an,

I have to actually stand up quite a few times because I start to feel

mwen gen aktyèlman kanpe byen kèk fwa paske mwen kòmanse santi

like my knees hurt, my hips, my back,

tankou jenou mwen fè mal, ranch mwen, do mwen,

I feel like an old lady.

mwen santi mwen tankou yon vye dam.

Is walking something that you do often?

Èske mache yon bagay ou fè souvan?

It is, yeah.

Li se, wi.

I mean I try...

Mwen vle di mwen eseye...

I successfully try, I would say, to do it every day, go for at least a...

Mwen eseye avèk siksè, mwen ta di, fè li chak jou, ale pou omwen yon ...

you know, half an hour walk if I can.

ou konnen, yon demi èdtan mache si mwen kapab.

It's something I really enjoy.

Se yon bagay mwen vrèman renmen.

I mean, there's nothing I enjoy more really than putting in a podcast,

Mwen vle di, pa gen anyen mwen renmen plis reyèlman pase mete nan yon podcast,

going through a walk, rain or shine.

ale nan yon ti mache, lapli oswa klere.

It might just be the same route I've done a thousand times, or it might be

Li ta ka jis se menm wout la mwen te fè yon mil fwa, oswa li ta ka

somewhere new I haven't been before.

yon kote nouvo mwen pa te ale anvan.

You said come rain or shine.

Ou te di vini lapli oswa klere.

That's a nice little phrase, isn't it?

Sa se yon bèl ti fraz, pa vre?

Yeah.

Wi.

It's like whether it's raining or it's sunny, doesn't matter to me.

Se tankou si lapli oswa solèy la, pa gen pwoblèm pou mwen.

I'll go out.

Mwen pral soti.

So do you have all the kit then?

Se konsa, ou gen tout twous la lè sa a?

All the gear?

Tout angrenaj la?

I've got like a nice winter coat that keeps me warm, but it's not waterproof,

Mwen te gen tankou yon bèl rad sezon fredi ki kenbe m 'chofe, men li pa enpèmeyab,

so I might come back a bit soggy and wet, but I dry my clothes out and

kidonk mwen ta ka tounen yon ti jan mouye ak mouye, men mwen seche rad mwen deyò epi

I find actually the discomfort of walking in the rain makes arriving

mwen jwenn aktyèlman malèz nan mache nan lapli a fè rive

home more enjoyable, you know?

lakay ou. pi agreyab, ou konnen?

So we'd probably call this hiking, right?

Se konsa, nou ta pwobableman rele sa a randone, dwa?

If you're going for a long walk, maybe over surfaces that aren't level, so it

Si w ap fè yon ti mache byen long, petèt sou sifas ki pa nivo, kidonk li

might not be an actual purpose-built path, but you're walking in the countryside

ta ka pa yon chemen reyèl ki te konstwi, men w ap mache nan peyi a

or in the hills, in the mountains.

oswa nan ti mòn yo, nan mòn yo.

This would be hiking.

Sa a ta dwe randone.

Really?

Mm-hmm.

Wouldn't it?

Vrèman?

Mm-hmm. Èske li pa ta?

Mm-hmm yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm wi.

Wi.

And I think having a good pair of shoes is really important

Apre sa, mwen panse ke gen yon bon pè soulye vrèman enpòtan

if you are into your hiking.

si ou se nan randone ou.

So tell me, you've got some good walking shoes.

Se konsa, di m ', ou te gen kèk soulye mache bon.

No!?

Non!?

Well, I'm kind of a minimalist, so I only have one pair of shoes at a time, and the

Oke, mwen se yon kalite minimalist, kidonk mwen gen yon sèl pè soulye nan yon moman, ak youn nan

one I have now, the pair I have now, I didn't realise until after I bought them,

mwen genyen kounye a, pè a mwen genyen kounye a, mwen pa reyalize jiskaske apre mwen te achte yo,

but they're not good for wet weather...

men yo ap pa bon pou move tan mouye...

Right.

...like even if it's just like a wet field with like grass, my feet will be soaked.

Dwa. ...tankou menm si li se jis tankou yon jaden mouye ak tankou zèb, pye m 'ap tranpe.

Oh, I've kind of got used to it.

Oh, mwen te abitye ak li.

In fact, there's a video on my YouTube channel where I was walking on Dartmoor,

An reyalite, gen yon videyo sou chanèl YouTube mwen an kote mwen t ap mache sou Dartmoor,

like a national park here in the UK and, I was like filming and I jumped

tankou yon pak nasyonal isit la nan UK a epi, mwen te tankou filme epi mwen sote

across a little stream and I thought it was flat ground, but it was like a bog.

nan yon ti kouran dlo epi mwen te panse li te plat, men li te tankou. yon marè.

So it was very, very soft mossy ground, saturated with water.

Se konsa, li te trè, trè mou tè mou, satire ak dlo.

It looked stable, but it wasn't.

Li te sanble ki estab, men li pa t '.

So I ended up like up to my knees in water.

Se konsa, mwen te fini tankou jiska jenou mwen nan dlo.

Oh no.

Oh non.

Um, walking boots.

Um, bòt mache.

Wouldn't have saved me then anyway.

Lè sa a, pa ta sove m 'de tout fason.

No.

Non.

Well, I've done some hiking in the Dolomites in Italy.

Oke, mwen te fè kèk randone nan Dolomit yo nan peyi Itali.

Mm-hmm.

Nice.

Mm-hmm.

Nice.

And we did, um, I think we did six weeks out in Argentina

Epi nou te fè, um, mwen panse ke nou te fè sis semèn soti nan Ajantin

and, and went to Patagonia.

ak, epi yo te ale nan Patagonia.

So I think having decent shoes, good socks, uh, you know, and a

Se konsa, mwen panse ke gen soulye desan, bon chosèt, uh, ou konnen, ak yon

windproof jacket if nothing else.

jakèt windproof si pa gen anyen lòt bagay.

Yeah.

Did you have the crampons, like the spiked shoes to go on the ice?

Wi.

Èske w te gen kranpon yo, tankou soulye ki gen pwent yo ale sou glas la?

Did you have that?

Ou te genyen sa?

No.

No.

Non.

Non.

So we..., this is one of the stories I often tell, my dangerous adventure story.

Se konsa, nou..., sa a se youn nan istwa mwen souvan rakonte, istwa avanti danjere mwen an.

So we were out in the Dolomites and there was one walk called Punta Ana.

Se konsa, nou te soti nan Dolomite yo ak te gen yon ti mache ki te rele Punta Ana.

And this is actually via ferrata.

Ak sa a se aktyèlman via ferrata.

Mm.

Mm.

So via ferrata is where you are walking up a mountain, and it's not like, it's not

Se konsa, via ferrata se kote w ap mache sou yon mòn, epi li pa tankou, li pa

mountain climbing, so you're not climbing up a rock face, although sometimes on a

monte mòn, kidonk, ou pa ap monte sou yon fas wòch, byenke pafwa sou yon

via ferrata you might have to, but it's generally walking on a mountain path,

via ferrata ou ta ka oblije, men li jeneralman mache sou yon. chemen mòn,

but it could be a little bit treacherous.

men li ta ka yon ti jan trèt.

And so there is a metal bar that's like a handrail that you have to clip onto

Se konsa, gen yon ba metal ki se tankou yon balistrad ke ou dwe clip sou

that goes all the way along the walks.

ki ale nan tout wout la nan mache yo.

So there's one called Punta Ana, and it was in what we call the shoulder season,

Se konsa, gen youn ki rele Punta Ana, epi li te nan sa nou rele sezon zepòl la,

which is when it's not quite the high season, when it's nice and warm, and it's

ki se lè li pa byen sezon an wo, lè li bèl ak cho, epi li

not the down season, the cold season.

pa sezon an desann, sezon an frèt.

So there was snow on the top of the mountains, but it was lovely and

Se konsa, te gen nèj sou tèt mòn yo, men li te bèl ak

sunny at the bottom, you know, so we weren't really prepared for the snow.

solèy nan pati anba a, ou konnen, kidonk nou pa te reyèlman prepare pou nèj la.

We set off late and we didn't have crampons, but we did have a rope...

Nou pati an reta e nou pat gen kranpon, men nou gen yon kòd...

Important!

Enpòtan!

And we came to one bit that was like a saddleback, so it was like

Epi nou te rive nan yon ti jan ki te tankou yon saddleback, kidonk li te tankou

between two like hilly sections.

ant de tankou seksyon aksidante.

There was this just ridge that you had to walk across, which I'm sure

Te gen sa a jis Ridge ke ou te oblije mache atravè, ki mwen sèten

in the dry weather would've been fine, but with it covered in snow...

nan tan sèk la ta dwe bon, men ak li kouvri nan nèj ...

and it's a sheer drop on either side of the saddleback.

epi li se yon gout absoli sou chak bò nan saddleback la.

So you're walking across this ridge that's covered in snow and I was

Se konsa, w ap mache atravè Ridge sa a ki kouvri nan nèj e mwen te

like, this is just so dangerous.

tankou, sa a se jis tèlman danjere.

One slip and it's sudden death.

Yon glise epi li se lanmò toudenkou.

This is no messing around.

Sa a se pa dezòd alantou.

This is death.

Sa a se lanmò.

So we used the rope that we had to go over the rope that was supposed

Se konsa, nou te itilize kòd la ke nou te gen pou ale sou kòd la ki te sipoze

to be for the via ferrata, but that was very high above our heads.

pou via ferrata a, men sa te trè wo pi wo pase tèt nou.

So we, we looped this rope over, tied one side around my partner,

Se konsa, nou, nou boukle kòd sa a sou, mare yon bò bò kote patnè mwen an,

one side around me, and we said, if you fall, the other person has to

yon bò bò kote m ', epi nou te di, si ou tonbe, lòt moun nan dwe

jump off the other side to balance.

sote sou lòt bò a pou balanse.

And then we, we, you know, very carefully walked across this saddleback,

Lè sa a, nou, nou, ou konnen, ak anpil atansyon te mache atravè saddleback sa a,

but what we realised was, you know, we weren't gonna turn back now.

men sa nou reyalize se, ou konnen, nou pa t ap tounen tounen kounye a.

This was getting serious.

Sa a te vin grav.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

And then we had a sheer rock face in front of us, a vertical rock face

Apre sa, nou te gen yon fas wòch absoli devan nou, yon fas wòch vètikal

that we had to properly climb up.

ke nou te byen monte moute.

Again we only had walking boots on, which was a mistake because our

Ankò, nou te gen sèlman bòt mache sou, ki te yon erè paske

feet kept slipping off the rocks.

pye nou te kenbe glise sou wòch yo.

It was awful.

Li te terib.

Again, we knew at this point we can't come back now.

Ankò, nou te konnen nan pwen sa a nou pa ka tounen kounye a.

We can't come back.

Nou pa ka tounen.

That's the scary part.

Sa se pati pè a.

We were halfway up and we realised we were making bad time.

Nou te nan mwatye e nou reyalize nou tap fè move tan.

The last cable car from the top of the mountain was gonna go really

Dènye telefè ki soti nan tèt mòn lan te pral ale byento

soon, and that was it for the season.

, e se te li pou sezon an.

That was gonna be the last cable car for the season, and we were too far

Sa te pral dènye telefè pou sezon an, epi nou te twò lwen

behind, so we started shouting out.

, kidonk nou te kòmanse rele byen fò.

We could see there was some people far in the distance.

Nou te kapab wè te gen kèk moun byen lwen nan distans la.

Shouting out, saying, please, we're here.

Ap rele byen fò, di, tanpri, nou isit la.

Don't go without us.

Pa ale san nou.

Anyway, long story short.

Antouka, long istwa kout.

We made it, we were exhausted.

Nou te fè li, nou te fin itilize.

We made it just in time.

Nou te fè li jis nan tan.

They were holding the cable car for us and they said, you know..

Yo te kenbe telefèy la pou nou epi yo di, ou konnen..

Wow!

Wow!

"...we, we were about to pull out the mattresses at the station for you

"...nou, nou te sou yo rale soti matla yo nan estasyon an pou ou

to spend the night up here, but you would've had to hike out the next day."

pase nwit la moute isit la, men ou ta te oblije vwayaje soti jou kap vini an."

And I, and we would had no food.

Apre sa, mwen menm ak nou pa ta gen okenn manje.

You know, it was just, it was a very dangerous situation.

Ou konnen, li te jis, se te yon sitiyasyon trè danjere.

Have you ever had anything like that?

Eske ou janm gen yon bagay konsa?

Yeah.

Your story is terrifying.

Wi. Istwa ou se tèt chaje.

I'm really glad you made it...

Mwen vrèman kontan ou te fè li...

made it back okay.

fè li tounen oke.

But yeah, like, I guess I must have been about like 15 or something and my dad

Men, wi, tankou, mwen devine mwen dwe gen apeprè 15 oswa yon bagay epi papa m '

took me on a via ferrata in the Alps.

te mennen m' sou yon via ferrata nan Alp yo.

Okay.

And I didn't really know what it was.

Dakò.

Apre sa, mwen pa t 'reyèlman konnen ki sa li te ye.

I kind of trusted my dad, like, yeah, it'll be fine.

Mwen te fè papa m konfyans, tankou, wi, li pral anfòm.

And it kind of starts out climbing a ladder.

Epi li kalite kòmanse monte yon nechèl.

It's not too bad.

Li pa twò mal.

You have to have yourself hooked in with your harness and your...

Ou dwe genyen tèt ou branche ak ekipay ou ak...

your ropes.

So it's not really possible to fall.

kòd ou.

Se konsa, li pa vrèman posib tonbe.

Although I kind of always think, why are we trusting these metal poles?

Malgre ke mwen kalite toujou panse, poukisa nou fè konfyans poto metal sa yo?

Like, you know, everything breaks one day.

Tankou, ou konnen, tout bagay kraze yon jou.

How do we know it's not gonna be today...

Ki jan nou fè konnen li pa pral jodi a...

Um, but then as we ascended, it turned more and more into a cliff.

Um, men Lè sa a, kòm nou te monte, li te tounen pi plis ak plis nan yon falèz.

And I think, as you said before, it was like a cliff.

Apre sa, mwen panse, jan ou te di anvan, li te tankou yon falèz.

It was just vertical and it was, you know, just like ladders and

Li te jis vètikal epi li te, ou konnen, jis tankou nechèl ak

metal things you had to hold onto.

bagay metal ou te kenbe sou.

So it was like proper climbing, but it was safe.

Se konsa, li te tankou k ap grenpe apwopriye, men li te an sekirite.

Yeah.

And it was, you know, good holds to hold onto, but looking

Wi.

Epi li te, ou konnen, bon kenbe kenbe sou, men gade

below me and just seeing...

anba m 'ak jis wè...

for me in my, you know, younger mind, it felt like hundreds of feet below me.

pou m' nan, ou konnen, pi piti lespri mwen, li te santi tankou dè santèn de pye anba m '.

I don't know how much it really was, but it was just terrifying.

Mwen pa konnen konbyen li te reyèlman, men li te jis tèt chaje.

And we didn't...

We made it to the top, but if you look back on the photos of that day,

Epi nou pa t '...

Nou te fè li nan tèt, men si ou gade dèyè sou foto yo nan jou sa a,

you can see like my face is just grumpy for the whole day after that.

ou ka wè tankou figi mwen se jis mosad pou tout jounen an apre sa.

I was in such a bad mood.

Mwen te nan yon move atitid konsa.

I think I'd just been traumatised, you know.

Mwen panse mwen te jis twomatize, ou konnen.

What worries me about the via ferrata is you have to have a special

Ki sa ki enkyete m 'sou via ferrata a se ou dwe gen yon

harness thing to hook on with.

bagay ekipay espesyal yo kwòk sou ak.

So you have your harness...

Se konsa, ou gen ekipay ou a...

...which is what you wear, and then you would normally, with climbing,

...ki se sa ou mete, epi Lè sa a, nòmalman, ak grenpe,

you'd have a rope and some carabiners, which are the connecting metal loops.

ou ta gen yon kòd ak kèk mouskèt, ki se bouk metal yo konekte.

That's right, isn't it?

Carabiners?

Se vre, pa vre?

Mousqueton?

Yeah.

Wi.

When you do via ferrata, you have a special, I think it's called a tether,

Lè ou fè via ferrata, ou gen yon espesyal, mwen panse ke li rele yon tether,

um, a special tether that is all bunched up into a short, what feels

um, yon tether espesyal ki se tout pakèt moute nan yon kout, ki santi l

like a short rope or a short lead, and to connect from your harness through

tankou yon kòd kout oswa yon plon kout, ak konekte soti nan ekipay ou a.

to your carabiner that you hook on.

nan mouskèt ou ke ou branche sou.

So it feels short.

Se konsa, li santi l kout.

But then what would happen is if you fell this tether tears and it

Men, Lè sa a, sa ki ta rive se si ou tonbe sa a dlo nan je mare epi li

releases quite a long stretch of like, I don't know, 10 metres or something.

lage byen yon detire long nan tankou, mwen pa konnen, 10 mèt oswa yon bagay.

It's quite a long stretch.

Li se yon detire byen long.

Mm.

Okay.

So it's all bunched up inside this tether.

Mm. Dakò.

Se konsa, li nan tout Bunched moute andedan sa a tether.

It tears open if you fall.

Li chire louvri si ou tonbe.

And the idea is that it, it's taking some of the momentum out of your fall

Ak lide a se ke li, li ap pran kèk nan momantòm nan soti nan sezon otòn ou

as it's tearing, it's slowing your fall down because if you were to just...

kòm li nan chire, li nan ralanti tonbe ou desann paske si ou te jis ...

you need space.

ou bezwen espas.

But if you were to fall and you had a lot of rope, you could get tangled up in it.

Men, si ou ta tonbe epi ou te gen anpil kòd, ou ta ka jwenn anmele nan li.

And also the momentum, by the time you hit the end of the rope, the momentum

Epi tou momantòm nan, lè ou frape bout kòd la, momantòm nan

would be so hard, you'd break your back...

ta tèlman difisil, ou ta kase do ou ...

mm-hmm.

mm-hmm.

or some bones from your harness.

oswa kèk zo nan ekipay ou.

It would just be too much impact.

Li ta jis gen twòp enpak.

So it has to slow your descent.

Se konsa, li gen ralanti desandan ou.

So that's when you have this tearing...

Se konsa, se lè sa a ou gen chire sa a ...

interesting

enteresan

...to release the rope inside this tether.

... lage kòd la andedan tether sa a.

Which means if you have a fall and you tear it, it's used, you can't

Sa vle di si ou gen yon tonbe epi ou chire li, li itilize, ou pa ka

restitch it, so it's, it's done.

retitch li, kidonk li se, li fè.

So you have your fall, you use your tether, and it's like releasing

Se konsa, ou gen tonbe ou, ou sèvi ak mare ou, epi li se tankou lage

your parachute, but then you need to get back in the plane and carry

parachit ou, men Lè sa a, ou bezwen tounen nan avyon an epi kontinye

on and jump out the plane again.

ak sote soti avyon an ankò.

You'd be unlucky to fall twice though, wouldn't you?

Men, ou ta gen malè tonbe de fwa, pa vre?

Well, so, but if you...

Oke, se konsa, men si ou ...

imagine you're, you're tired and the weather's bad.

imajine ou se, ou fatige ak move tan an ap move.

Yeah.

You're halfway up a mountain or halfway through a via ferreta and

Wi. Ou gen mwatye nan yon mòn oswa mwatye nan yon via ferreta epi

you fall, your tether's done, spent.

ou tonbe, atachman ou a fini, depanse.

Then you have to climb yourself back onto the..., you know, you

Lè sa a, ou dwe monte tèt ou tounen sou..., ou konnen, ou

might be hanging from an overhang.

ta ka pandye nan yon surpand.

Somehow you have to get back onto the mountain, back onto the

Yon jan kanmenm ou oblije tounen sou mòn lan, tounen sou

path, and then, and then you...

chemen an, ak Lè sa a, epi answit ou...

what do you do then?

kisa ou fè lè sa a?

You've got no safety rope, not really, not a, not a genuine one that's gonna actually

Ou pa gen okenn kòd sekirite, pa reyèlman, pa yon, pa yon sèl otantik ki pral aktyèlman

work for you, to get you either all the way there or all the way back, you know?

travay pou ou, pou fè ou swa tout wout la oswa tout wout la tounen, ou konnen?

Mm-hmm.

That's always what bothered me when we were doing these very long, quite

Mm-hmm.

Se toujou sa ki te deranje m' lè nou t' ap fè sa yo trè long, jan sa dwe fèt

arduous hikes, is that potentially, if I have one fall in the middle, then...

difficile randonnées, se sa potentiellement, si mwen gen yon tonbe nan mitan, lè sa a...

I'll, I'll be without any real safety afterwards.

Mwen pral, mwen pral san okenn sekirite reyèl apre sa.

Yeah.

I feel like that's a difference between us and the pros, right?

Wi. Mwen santi ke se yon diferans ant nou ak avantaj yo, dwa?

The pros seem to not, the professionals, they don't, they

Avantaj yo sanble pa, pwofesyonèl yo, yo pa fè sa, yo

don't think about this almost.

pa panse sou sa a prèske.

It's like they, they take precautions, but the idea of failing

Se tankou yo, yo pran prekosyon, men lide echwe

isn't even an option for them.

se pa menm yon opsyon pou yo.

Like if you've seen people do free soloing where they climb cliffs

Tankou si ou te wè moun fè solo gratis kote yo monte falèz

without any rope or safety equipment.

san okenn kòd oswa ekipman sekirite.

Like I guess, I imagine they just don't have the concept of failing.

Tankou mwen devine, mwen imajine yo jis pa gen konsèp nan echwe.

Like it's not even in their mind.

Tankou li pa menm nan tèt yo.

'cause if it were, probably it's more likely to happen.

'paske si li te, pwobableman li gen plis chans rive.

I guess that's how it works.

Mwen devine se konsa li fonksyone.

Things like gymnastics and, and climbing as well, but with

Bagay tankou jimnastik ak, ak k ap grenpe tou, men ak

gymnastics it's like 95% mental.

jimnastik se tankou 95% mantal.

Like what you are thinking is what's going to happen.

Tankou sa w ap panse a se sa ki pral rive.

So you have to get your mind in the right place and not think about falling.

Se konsa, ou gen jwenn lide ou nan plas la dwat epi yo pa panse sou tonbe.

If you think about it, if you visualise it, it will more likely happen.

Si ou panse osijè de sa, si ou visualiser li, li pral gen plis chans rive.

Mm-hmm.

And if you are scared, you hold back and you tense up in a way that will cause

Mm-hmm.

Men, si ou pè, ou kenbe tounen epi ou tansyon moute nan yon fason ki pral lakòz

the incident or the accident to happen.

ensidan an oswa aksidan an rive.

Fear is an obstacle to overcome, but at the same time, it is there to protect us.

Laperèz se yon obstak pou simonte, men an menm tan, li la pou pwoteje nou.

So it's, it's..., I guess there's a balance of appropriate

Se konsa, li, li nan..., mwen devine gen yon balans nan

levels of fear, isn't there?

nivo apwopriye nan laperèz, pa la?

But I guess I can relate to that.

Men, mwen devine mwen ka gen rapò ak sa.

Like I'm a big fan of, I dunno what you'd call it, it's a bit like scrambling.

Tankou mwen se yon gwo fanatik, mwen pa konnen ki jan ou ta rele li, se yon ti jan tankou brouillage.

It's not climbing.

Li pa monte.

I'm not a fan of that after my traumatic childhood, but more like, um,

Mwen pa fanatik nan sa apre anfans twomatik mwen an, men plis tankou, um,

... It's where you use your hands and feet, isn't it?

... Se kote ou itilize men ou ak pye, pa vre?

it's where you use your hands and feet to climb up like rocky terrain.

se kote w itilize men w ak pye w pou w monte tankou tèren wòch.

I feel like it's like parkour in the countryside.

Mwen santi se tankou parkour nan peyi a.

Like I love kind of jumping over rocks, jumping over rivers and stuff like that.

Tankou mwen renmen kalite sote sou wòch, sote sou rivyè ak bagay konsa.

I think I'm quite good on my feet in that sense.

Mwen panse mwen byen sou pye mwen nan sans sa a.

But as soon as you start to think about how it could go wrong, then you mess up.

Men, le pli vit ke ou kòmanse reflechi sou ki jan li ta ka ale mal, Lè sa a, ou dezòd.

Yeah.

Like imagine you're jumping over a stream.

Wi. Tankou imajine w ap sote sou yon kouran dlo.

It's quite a big stream, a wide stream.

Se yon gwo kouran, yon gwo kouran.

If you think about like, oh, it's too big, it's...

Si ou panse sou tankou, o, li twò gwo, li se...

I can't do it, then you're gonna fall in.

Mwen pa ka fè li, Lè sa a, ou pral tonbe nan men

But if you just focus on the other side and you just go for it, then

si ou jis konsantre sou lòt bò a epi ou jis ale pou li, Lè sa a,

you'll almost definitely do it.

ou ' pral prèske definitivman fè li.

So it is very mental.

Se konsa, li trè mantal.

Many things are.

Anpil bagay yo ye.

I always think if you were able to live for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

Mwen toujou panse si ou te kapab viv pou dè santèn ak dè santèn ak dè santèn de

years, would we just end up being bored?

ane, èske nou jis fini anwiye?

Would we exhaust all the options of, you know, adrenaline sports?

Èske nou ta itilize tout opsyon yo nan, ou konnen, espò adrenalin?

Would nothing excite us anymore?

Èske pa gen anyen ki ta eksite nou ankò?

Well, a counter-argument to that,

Oke, yon kont-agiman nan sa,

it depends what you mean by living, how, how we would live for that

sa depann de sa ou vle di nan k ap viv, ki jan, ki jan nou ta viv pou

long, because, and really interesting thing I like to think about is, say

tan sa a, paske, ak bagay reyèlman enteresan mwen renmen panse a se, di

if we discovered through medicine, like how to, how to live for

si nou dekouvri atravè medikaman, tankou ki jan yo , Ki jan yo viv pou

a thousand years, I think we'd be the most risk averse species.

mil ane, mwen panse ke nou ta dwe espès ki gen plis risk advèrsèr.

You know, we, we wouldn't do anything risky because let's say

Ou konnen, nou, nou pa ta fè anyen ki riske paske ann di

you are like I dunno, 40 years old, and you sadly pass away doing

ou se tankou mwen pa konnen, 40 ans, epi ou tristès pase fè

something dangerous, it's very sad.

yon bagay danjere, li trè tris.

But I guess you're like middle-aged then, aren't you?

Men, mwen devine ou se tankou laj mwayen lè sa a, pa ou?

You, you can...

Yes, I am middle-aged Michael

Ou, ou kapab...

Wi, mwen se laj mwayen Michael

Oh, I'm so sorry.

I don't know your age, I promise.

Oh, mwen regrèt anpil.

Mwen pa konnen laj ou, mwen pwomèt.

I'm 41.

Mwen gen 41.

I'm 41.

Mwen gen 41.

You don't look it.

Ou pa gade li.

You look very, very young.

Ou sanble trè, trè jèn.

Look younger than me and I'm...

Gade pi piti pase mwen epi mwen...

it's okay.

li oke.

I'm only playing with you.

Mwen sèlman jwe avèk ou.

I don't mind.

Mwen pa gen pwoblèm.

Oh, you've made me, um feel awkward now.

Oh, ou te fè m ', um santi yo gòch kounye a.

No, it's okay.

Non, se oke.

But I get what you mean.

It's, it's relative, right?

Men, mwen konprann sa ou vle di.

Li se, li relatif, dwa?

You feel like you've, you've lived half your life.

Ou santi tankou ou te, ou te viv mwatye lavi ou.

If I were to die tomorrow, it wouldn't be as sad as if I died when I was 15

Si m ta mouri demen, li pa t ap tris tankou si m te mouri lè m te gen 15 an

because there's less life ahead of me now than there was when I was a teenager.

paske gen mwens lavi devan m kounye a pase lè m te adolesan.

Yes.

And if you were to live to a thousand, if that were possible when you

Wi.

Men, si ou ta viv nan mil, si sa te posib lè ou

died at 40 or even 80, that would be a huge tragedy because you're

te mouri nan 40 oswa menm 80, sa ta dwe yon gwo trajedi paske ou ap

missing out on most of your life.

manke soti nan pi fò nan lavi ou.

Yeah.

Wi.

So I feel like people wouldn't do as much if we lived for that long, you know?

Se konsa, mwen santi tankou moun pa ta fè anpil si nou te viv pou tan sa a, ou konnen?

Yeah.

We'd be much more cautious, I imagine.

Wi. Nou ta pi plis pridan, mwen imajine.

Yeah.

And maybe we'd work harder on our relationships.

Wi.

E petèt nou ta travay pi di sou relasyon nou yo.

And it's interesting to think how, what we would do for careers.

Epi li enteresan panse ki jan, kisa nou ta fè pou karyè.

Would we actually change careers many times and try out many different things?

Èske nou ta aktyèlman chanje karyè anpil fwa epi eseye anpil bagay diferan?

It would certainly give us more options, wouldn't it?

Li ta sètènman ba nou plis opsyon, pa t '?

Uh, yeah.

Uh, wi.

I wonder because there's a lot of projects that people have

Mwen mande paske gen yon anpil nan pwojè ke moun te

started before that they...

kòmanse anvan ke yo ...

I think about big cathedrals and things and space programs that they

Mwen panse sou gwo katedral ak bagay ak pwogram espas ke yo

know they're not gonna see the end of which is always really amazing

konnen yo pa pral wè nan fen ki toujou vrèman etonan

that people can commit themselves to doing part of a project in their life.

ke moun ka angaje tèt yo nan fè yon pati nan yon pwojè nan lavi yo.

But I imagine there'd be a lot more people doing important stuff

Men, mwen imajine ta gen anpil plis moun ki fè bagay enpòtan

like, "okay, I'm gonna dedicate my life to curing this disease.

tankou, "oke, mwen pral dedye lavi m 'nan geri maladi sa a.

(it) Might take me 500 years, but it's doable".

(li) Ka pran m' 500 ane, men li posib".

I wonder how, um, how we'd look if we lived to a thousand.

Mwen mande ki jan, um, ki jan nou ta gade si nou te viv nan mil.

You see some people who...

Ou wè kèk moun ki...

who do manage to make it to a hundred, but our bodies aren't really built...

ki jere rive nan yon santèn, men kò nou yo pa reyèlman bati...

really for, for surviving that long.

reyèlman pou, pou siviv sa lontan.

It is interesting when you touch, we touch on longevity and things.

Li enteresan lè ou manyen, nou manyen sou lonjevite ak bagay sa yo.

I actually follow, a chap called David Sinclair, he's someone

Mwen aktyèlman swiv, yon nèg ki rele David Sinclair, li se yon moun

who I've mentioned a lot.

ke mwen te mansyone anpil.

Yeah.

And we actually adjust our lifestyle to, to kind of follow some of the things

Wi.

Apre sa, nou aktyèlman ajiste fòm nou an, nan kalite swiv kèk nan bagay sa yo

that he teaches to help you to live a longer life because I really would

ke li anseye yo ede w viv yon lavi ki pi long paske mwen reyèlman ta renmen

like to live for a very long time.

viv pou yon tan trè lontan.

I certainly want to live till I'm a hundred.

Mwen sètènman vle viv jiskaske mwen gen yon santèn.

I don't know if I'll get there, but..., even if I make it to 80,

Mwen pa konnen si mwen pral rive la, men..., menm si mwen rive nan 80,

I want to make sure that I'm as healthy as I can be until that age.

mwen vle asire w ke mwen an sante jan mwen kapab jiska laj sa a.

That's the key, isn't it?

Se kle a, pa vre?

Yeah.

I don't wanna be a burden.

Wi.

Mwen pa vle vin yon chay.

I mean, in my view, it's not all about numbers.

Mwen vle di, nan opinyon mwen, li pa tout sou nimewo.

Yeah.

Wi. Se sou, ou konnen, mwen ta pito viv 60 ane an sante pase san ane

It's about, you know, I'd rather live 60 healthy years than a hundred years

where half of them are not, you know, in good condition when you can't do much.

kote mwatye nan yo pa, ou konnen, nan bon kondisyon lè ou pa ka fè anpil.

Yeah.

And you know, I've got two children, I would've liked more children, but

Wi.

Epi ou konnen, mwen gen de timoun, mwen ta renmen plis timoun, men

you know, that just hasn't happened.

ou konnen, sa jis pa rive.

And I don't want to be that burden on my children.

Apre sa, mwen pa vle fè sa fado sou pitit mwen yo.

I don't want them to have to, you know, figure out if they're gonna put me in a

Mwen pa vle yo oblije, ou konnen, konnen si yo pral mete m 'nan yon

home or have to, you know, look after me.

kay oswa yo dwe, ou konnen, pran swen mwen.

And I'd love to be able to be very active with my grandchildren as well

Apre sa, mwen ta renmen kapab trè aktif ak pitit pitit mwen yo tou

if I'm blessed with grandchildren.

si mwen te beni ak pitit pitit.

And so, you know, getting out and, and walking on a regular basis.

Se konsa, ou konnen, ap soti ak, ak mache sou yon baz regilye.

They do say that you should walk around 10,000 steps a day.

Yo di ke ou ta dwe mache alantou 10,000 etap pa jou.

A lot.

Yeah.

Anpil.

Wi.

A lot.

I think in modern life, doing a thousand, 10,000 steps a day is a lot.

Anpil.

Mwen panse ke nan lavi modèn, fè mil, 10,000 etap pa jou se anpil.

What's that like?

Ki jan sa ye?

I guess an hour and a half roughly of walking.

Mwen devine yon èdtan ak yon mwatye apeprè nan mache.

I can really hear that.

Mwen ka vrèman tande sa.

Cornish accent.

aksan Cornish.

It comes out in some, in certain words.

Li soti nan kèk, nan kèk mo.

Yeah.

Wi.

We were talking about accents.

Nou t ap pale de aksan.

I previously appeared on Michael's podcast, which you should all go and check

Mwen te deja parèt sou podcast Michael a, kote ou ta dwe tout ale epi tcheke

out if you're not already familiar with it, which is the Level Up English podcast.

deyò si ou pa deja abitye ak li, ki se Level Up English podcast la.

Right.

Dwa.

There'll be links in the description here, so you can check that out.

Pral gen lyen nan deskripsyon an isit la, kidonk, ou ka tcheke sa.

Um, we were talking about accents and uh, Michael asked me if I could

Um, nou t ap pale de aksan ak uh, Michael te mande m 'si mwen te kapab

tell where he was from and I said it was quite hard to pinpoint.

di ki kote li te soti epi mwen te di li te byen difisil yo idantifye.

I said, somewhere, maybe around Bristol, he's actually Cornish.

Mwen te di, yon kote, petèt alantou Bristol, li aktyèlman Cornish.

And, um, the more I'm speaking with Michael, the more I can

Epi, um, plis m ap pale ak Michael, se plis m ka

hear the ah sound coming out.

tande son ah k ap soti.

So that's why my reaction was, uh, came out there.

Se konsa, se poutèt sa reyaksyon mwen te, uh, te soti la.

But yes, 10,000 steps a day.

Men wi, 10,000 etap pa jou.

I think if you are sitting in an office and you are very busy,

Mwen panse ke si ou chita nan yon biwo epi ou trè okipe,

it's quite hard to get that in.

li trè difisil jwenn sa pous.

Something I discovered recently though is you can get treadmills

Yon bagay mwen dekouvri dènyèman se ou ka jwenn tapi

that go underneath your desk.

ki ale anba biwo ou.

So if you did manage to get a standing desk, you can walk while you are working.

Se konsa, si ou te jere jwenn yon biwo kanpe, ou ka mache pandan w ap travay.

I've also seen ones where you can sit down, but it's like..., like

Mwen te wè tou youn kote ou ka chita, men se tankou..., tankou

bicycle pedals under the desk as well.

pedal bisiklèt anba biwo a tou.

I've heard they're quite good.

Mwen tande yo byen bon.

I wonder how much you'd be able to concentrate if you are, if you're

Mwen mande konbyen ou ta kapab konsantre si ou se, si w ap

moving, would it be as easy, especially when you're doing what we do?

deplase, li ta fasil, sitou lè w ap fè sa nou fè?

You can't do a podcast when you've got something whirring,

Ou pa ka fè yon podcast lè ou gen yon bagay ki ròl,

to whir is like a noise, like a constant, {makes a whirring noise}.

wòb se tankou yon bri, tankou yon konstan, {fè yon bri wrring}.

You couldn't podcast with that, could you?

Ou pa t 'kapab podcast ak sa, ou pa kapab?

Why is Michael doing this.

Poukisa Michael ap fè sa?

Moving side to side.

K ap deplase kòt a kòt.

Yeah, I do have a pull-up bar in my garden.

Wi, mwen gen yon ba pull-up nan jaden mwen an.

'cause I really just enjoy just every now and again, just hanging

paske mwen reyèlman jis jwi jis chak kounye a epi ankò, jis pandye

and trying to do a pull-up.

epi ap eseye fè yon rale-up.

Can you do a pull-up?

Èske ou ka fè yon rale-up?

Yes.

I was gonna ask you how many you can do if, if any.

Wi.

Mwen ta pral mande w konbyen ou ka fè si, si genyen.

Oh, well, I mean from a dead hang all the way up, I can probably only do one.

Oh, byen, mwen vle di soti nan yon pandye mouri tout wout la moute, mwen ka pwobableman sèlman fè yon sèl.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

But if, uh, if it's kind of like with a bit of a jump up and maybe not going

Men, si, uh, si li nan yon kalite tankou ak yon ti jan nan yon so moute epi petèt pa ale nan

all the way back down again, then I can probably get out about three or four.

tout wout la tounen desann ankò, Lè sa a, mwen ka pwobableman soti sou twa oswa kat.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I'm relatively strong in my upper body, but I was watching something, I think

Mwen relativman fò nan anwo kò mwen, men mwen t ap gade yon bagay, mwen panse

it was a YouTuber just the other day who said something, a large, I can't remember

se yon YouTuber jis lòt jou a ki te di yon bagay, yon gwo, mwen pa ka sonje

the figures, but a majority of Americans couldn't do one pull up from a dead hang.

figi yo, men yon majorite Ameriken pa t 'kapab fè youn rale leve soti nan yon pann mouri.

Yeah, I believe it.

Wi, mwen kwè li.

And he was trying to put it to the test.

Epi li t ap eseye teste li.

He was just out in a, like a busy street asking people to come and

Li te jis soti nan yon, tankou yon lari okipe mande moun pou yo vin fè

do one pull-up and he'd give them a hundred dollars if they did.

yon sèl pull-up epi li ta ba yo yon santèn dola si yo te fè.

And surprisingly many people couldn't do it.

Ak etonan anpil moun pa t 'kapab fè li.

I think I, I think I saw that actually.

Mwen panse mwen, mwen panse mwen te wè sa aktyèlman.

Did you?

Èske ou te fè?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wi.

Wi.

And some people, I think that was it, the YouTuber himself, he could

Ak kèk moun, mwen panse ke se li, YouTuber nan tèt li, li te kapab

do it for a couple minutes or something, but most people couldn't.

fè li pou yon koup minit oswa yon bagay, men pifò moun pa t 'kapab.

Yeah, he did, he did like 21 pull-ups or something.

Wi, li te fè, li te fè tankou 21 pull-ups oswa yon bagay.

He was like, um, he'd trained in the Marines or something.

Li te tankou, um, li te antrene nan Marin yo oswa yon lòt bagay.

It made me then want to go and do some pull-ups.

Li te fè m 'lè sa a vle ale ak fè kèk pull-ups.

I think I could do, like, I could probably do like two or something.

Mwen panse mwen te kapab fè, tankou, mwen ta ka pwobableman fè tankou de oswa yon bagay.

I'm not, I'm not very good, but I sometimes try at the gym I

Mwen pa, mwen pa trè bon, men mwen pafwa eseye nan jimnastik la mwen

go to, they've got a bar but I want to get better at that too.

ale nan, yo te gen yon bar men mwen vle jwenn pi bon nan sa tou.

One is easy, two is a struggle.

Youn se fasil, de se yon lit.

Then after that, it, you know, it depends.

Lè sa a, apre sa, li, ou konnen, li depann.

When I was climbing, I could do a lot more pull-ups than, than I can now, and that's

Lè m t ap monte, mwen te kapab fè plis rale-up pase, pase kounye a, e se

just because I'm not climbing very much.

jis paske mwen pa monte anpil.

You do get a good bit of upper body strength with squash, and you certainly

Ou jwenn yon bon ti fòs nan anwo kò ak kalbas, epi ou sètènman

do with gymnastics, but during lockdown, I was pregnant with my second son,

fè ak jimnastik, men pandan fèmen pòt, mwen te ansent ak dezyèm pitit gason m ',

and I put on four stone with my second pregnancy, which will mean nothing

epi mwen te mete kat wòch ak dezyèm gwosès mwen an, ki pa pral vle di anyen

to you probably, but it's a lot.

pou ou pwobableman. , men li anpil.

Usually you should put on about two stone with a pregnancy.

Anjeneral ou ta dwe mete sou de wòch ak yon gwosès.

So I put on four, and that's because it was locked down.

Se konsa, mwen mete sou kat, e se paske li te fèmen.

I couldn't go anywhere.

Mwen pa t 'kapab ale nenpòt kote.

I couldn't measure myself.

Mwen pa t 'kapab mezire tèt mwen.

I had no way of weighing myself, so I had no clue about my weight gain really.

Mwen pa te gen okenn fason pou peze tèt mwen, kidonk mwen pa te gen okenn siy sou pran pwa mwen reyèlman.

And so when I had my child, and then I came back to my sports,

Se konsa, lè mwen te gen pitit mwen an, ak Lè sa a, mwen te tounen nan espò mwen an,

which was gymnastics and squash.

ki te jimnastik ak kalbas.

I had terrible knees because I'd gained all this weight.

Mwen te gen jenou terib paske mwen te pran tout pwa sa a.

And it took me a lot longer to lose it.

Epi li te pran m anpil tan pèdi li.

And then all my muscles and my joints just weren't happy.

Lè sa a, tout misk mwen ak jwenti mwen jis pa t 'kontan.

So yeah, getting back into climbing and gymnastics still hasn't yet happened.

Se konsa, wi, retounen nan grenpe ak jimnastik poko rive.

I'm back, I'm fully back with my squash, but it's a long road.

Mwen tounen, mwen konplètman tounen ak kalbas mwen an, men se yon wout long.

It's a long road back to previous levels of fitness.

Li se yon wout long tounen nan nivo anvan yo nan kondisyon fizik.

Yeah, you can get back there, but I think it's so much easier to lose health

Wi, ou ka retounen la, men mwen panse ke li tèlman pi fasil pèdi sante

than it is to gain it back, isn't it?

pase li se jwenn li tounen, pa vre?

It takes a lot longer to regain muscle or lose fat.

Li pran anpil tan pou reprann misk oswa pèdi grès.

It's, it's a shame how that works.

Se, se yon wont ki jan sa mache.

Yeah.

My mum used to say, when I was eating biscuits she'd say "A minute on the lips,

Wi. Manman m te konn di, lè m t ap manje biskwit li te di "Yon minit sou bouch,

a lifetime on the hips", thanks, mum.

yon lavi sou ranch yo", mèsi, maman.

Just before this podcast, I was feeling a bit peckish, a bit

Jis anvan podcast sa a, mwen te santi yon ti jan peckish, yon ti jan

hungry, so I picked up some cookies, some biscuits, and I was like...

grangou, Se konsa, mwen ranmase kèk bonbon, kèk biskwit, epi mwen te tankou ...

I put it down and had like a handful of nuts instead.

Mwen mete l 'atè epi li te gen tankou yon ti ponyen nwa olye.

So I feel good about my morning.

Se konsa, mwen santi mwen byen sou maten mwen an.

Well done.

Byen fè.

Well done.

We...

Byen fè.

Nou...

see this, this tin behind us is full of ginger snap biscuits.

wè sa a, fèblan sa a dèyè nou plen ak jenjanm menen biskwit.

My in-laws keep buying us these same tins 'cause we were

Bèlfi mwen yo kontinye achte nou menm bwat sa yo paske nou te

like, "oh, they're amazing".

tankou, "oh, yo etonan".

But I really wish they wouldn't because I just can't stop eating them.

Men, mwen reyèlman swete yo pa ta paske mwen jis pa ka sispann manje yo.

It's terrible, especially when it's cold.

Li se terib, sitou lè li fè frèt.

Next time I'm in Cornwall, you'll have to tell me where I can go to have

Pwochèn fwa mwen nan Cornwall, ou pral oblije di m 'ki kote mwen ka ale fè

a good walk or a scramble perhaps.

yon bon mache oswa yon scramble petèt.

Yeah,

likewise.

Wi, menm jan an tou.

When I'm in Surrey, I don't think I've been to Surrey before.

Lè mwen nan Surrey, mwen pa panse mwen te nan Surrey anvan.

I'm not sure.

So we'll have to let each other know.

Mwen pa sèten.

Se konsa, nou pral oblije fè youn ak lòt konnen.

Yeah,

Wi,

yeah, absolutely.

wi, absoliman.

Well, thank you so much.

Oke, mèsi anpil.

Can you let the listeners and viewers know where they can find you?

Èske ou ka fè moun k ap koute yo ak telespektatè yo konnen ki kote yo ka jwenn ou?

Of course.

So there's Level Up English Podcast.

Natirèlman.

Se konsa, gen Level Up English Podcast.

My website is Levelupenglish.school, and you'll find me as well

Sit entènèt mwen an se Levelupenglish.school, epi w ap jwenn mwen tou

on YouTube, Instagram.

sou YouTube, Instagram.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Wi. Kokenn.

Thank you everyone for listening.

Mèsi tout moun ki koute.

Take care and bye.

Pran swen ak bye.

Bye everyone.

Bye tout moun.

Thank you for listening to today's podcast.

Mèsi paske w koute podcast jodi a.

Don't forget that if you want to join my club to download the transcripts,

Pa bliye si ou vle rantre nan klib mwen an pou telechaje relve nòt yo,

become part of an online community, and to take part in some live,

vin fè pati yon kominote sou entènèt, epi patisipe nan kèk

face-to-face conversation classes.

kou konvèsasyon an dirèk fas a fas.

Then check out my Conversation Club by clicking on the link.

Lè sa a, tcheke Club Konvèsasyon mwen an lè w klike sou lyen an.

There'll also be links to Michael's podcast, website and YouTube

Ap gen tou lyen ki mennen nan podcast Michael a, sit entènèt ak

channel down in the description.

chanèl YouTube anba nan deskripsyon an.

Until next time everyone, take care and goodbye.

Jiska pwochen fwa tout moun, pran swen ak orevwa.