The bridge between suicide and life | Kevin Briggs

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Translator: Andreja Benčina Reviewer: Nika Kotnik
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I recently retired
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Pred kratkim sem se upokojil iz Kalifornijske avtocestne patrulje
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from the California Highway Patrol
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after 23 years of service.
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po triindvajsetih letih službe.
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The majority of those 23 years
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Večino teh triindvajsetih let
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was spent patrolling the southern end
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sem patruljiral na južnem delu okrožja Marin,
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of Marin County,
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which includes the Golden Gate Bridge.
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kar vključuje tudi most Golden Gate Bridge.
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The bridge is an iconic structure,
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Most je znamenita zgradba,
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known worldwide
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znana po vsem svetu
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for its beautiful views of San Francisco,
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zaradi čudovitega razgleda na San Francisco,
00:34
the Pacific Ocean, and its inspiring architecture.
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na Pacifik in navdihujočo arhitekturo.
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Unfortunately, it is also a magnet for suicide,
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Na žalost je tudi magnet za samomorilce
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being one of the most utilized sites in the world.
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in je eno najpogostejših mest za samomor na svetu.
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The Golden Gate Bridge opened in 1937.
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Most so odprli leta 1937.
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Joseph Strauss, chief engineer in charge of building the bridge,
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Joseph Strauss, glavni inženir zadolžen za gradnjo,
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was quoted as saying,
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je dejal:
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"The bridge is practically suicide-proof.
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"Na tem mostu ni mogoče storiti samomora.
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Suicide from the bridge
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Samomor z mostu
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is neither practical nor probable."
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ni niti praktičen, niti verjeten."
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But since its opening,
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A vse od njegovega odprtja
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over 1,600 people have leapt to their death
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se je s tega mostu v smrt pognalo več kot 1.600 ljudi.
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from that bridge.
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01:13
Some believe that traveling
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Nekateri pravijo, da te bo pot
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between the two towers
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med obema stolpoma
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will lead you to another dimension --
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popeljala v drugo dimenzijo --
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this bridge has been romanticized as such —
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tako so most tudi romantizirali —
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that the fall from that
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da te bo padec z njega
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frees you from all your worries and grief,
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osvobodil vseh skrbi in težav
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and the waters below
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in da bodo vode pod njim
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will cleanse your soul.
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očistile tudi tvojo dušo.
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But let me tell you what actually occurs
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A naj vam povem, kaj se zares zgodi,
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when the bridge is used
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ko nekdo z mostu napravi samomor.
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as a means of suicide.
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01:37
After a free fall of four to five seconds,
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Po 4- do 5-sekundnem prostem padu
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the body strikes the water
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telo prileti v vodo
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at about 75 miles an hour.
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s hitrostjo približno 120 km/h.
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That impact shatters bones,
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Udarec stre kosti,
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some of which then puncture vital organs.
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ki potem predrejo vitalne organe.
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Most die on impact.
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Večina jih umre ob udarcu.
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Those that don't
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Tisti, ki pa ne
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generally flail in the water helplessly,
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navadno nemočno mahajo vodi
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and then drown.
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in se nato utopijo.
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I don't think that those who contemplate
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Mislim, da se tisti, ki premišljujejo o taki metodi samomora,
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this method of suicide
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realize how grisly a death that they will face.
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ne zavedajo, kako grozljivo smrt lahko izberejo.
02:11
This is the cord.
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To je kabel.
02:13
Except for around the two towers,
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Z izjemo okrog obeh stolpov
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there is 32 inches of steel
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je približno 81 cm jekla,
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paralleling the bridge.
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ki poteka vzporedno z mostom.
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This is where most folks stand
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Tu stoji večina ljudi,
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before taking their lives.
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preden si vzamejo življenje.
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I can tell you from experience
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Iz izkušenj vam lahko povem,
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that once the person is on that cord,
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da ko je človek enkrat na tem kablu,
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and at their darkest time,
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v svojem najtemnejšem trenutku,
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it is very difficult to bring them back.
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ga je zelo težko spraviti nazaj.
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I took this photo last year
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To fotografijo sem posnel lani,
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as this young woman spoke to an officer
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ko se je ženska pogovarjala s policistom
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contemplating her life.
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in premlevala svoje življenje.
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I want to tell you very happily
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Z veseljem naj vam povem,
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that we were successful that day
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da smo bili tisti dan uspešni
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in getting her back over the rail.
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in smo jo spravili nazaj čez ograjo.
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When I first began working on the bridge,
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Ko sem začel delati na mostu,
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we had no formal training.
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nismo imeli formalnega urjenja.
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You struggled to funnel your way through these calls.
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Boril si se, da si dosegel svoje pri takih klicih.
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This was not only a disservice
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To ni bila medvedja usluga samo tistim, ki so hoteli storiti samomor,
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to those contemplating suicide,
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03:00
but to the officers as well.
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ampak tudi policistom.
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We've come a long, long way since then.
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Od tedaj smo zelo napredovali.
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Now, veteran officers and psychologists
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Danes izkušeni policisti in psihologi
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train new officers.
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urijo nove policiste.
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This is Jason Garber.
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To je Jason Garber.
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I met Jason on July 22 of last year
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Spoznal sem ga 22. julija lani,
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when I get received a call
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ko sem dobil klic o možnem samomorilcu,
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of a possible suicidal subject
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sitting on the cord near midspan.
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ki sedi na kablu nekje na sredini mostu.
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I responded, and when I arrived,
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Odzval sem se in ko sem prišel,
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I observed Jason
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sem Jasona opazoval,
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speaking to a Golden Gate Bridge officer.
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ko je govoril s policistom na mostu.
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Jason was just 32 years old
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Jason je bil star le 32 let
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and had flown out here from New Jersey.
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in je tja priletel iz New Jerseyja.
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As a matter of fact,
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Pravzaprav je iz New Jerseyja tja prišel že dvakrat pred tem,
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he had flown out here on two other occasions
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from New Jersey
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to attempt suicide on this bridge.
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da bi poskušal storiti samomor.
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After about an hour of speaking with Jason,
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Po dobri uri pogovora
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he asked us if we knew the story of Pandora's box.
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nas je vprašal, če poznamo zgodbo o Pandorini skrinjici.
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Recalling your Greek mythology,
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Če obnovimo grško mitologijo,
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Zeus created Pandora,
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Zevs je ustvaril Pandoro
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and sent her down to Earth with a box,
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in jo na Zemljo poslal s skrinjico
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and told her, "Never, ever open that box."
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z naročilom: "Nikoli ne odpri te skrinjice."
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Well one day, curiosity got the better of Pandora,
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Nekoč pa jo je premagala radovednost
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and she did open the box.
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in jo je odprla.
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Out flew plagues, sorrows,
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Ven so prišle bolezni, težave
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and all sorts of evils against man.
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in vsa mogoča zla proti človeku.
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The only good thing in the box was hope.
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Edina dobra stvar v skrinjici je bilo upanje.
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Jason then asked us,
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Jason nas je nato vprašal:
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"What happens when you open the box
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"Kaj se zgodi, ko odpreš skrinjico
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and hope isn't there?"
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in upanja ni tam?"
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He paused a few moments,
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Za trenutek se je ustavil,
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leaned to his right,
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se nagnil na svojo desno
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and was gone.
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in izginil.
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This kind, intelligent young man from New Jersey
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Ta prijazni, pametni mladenič iz New Jerseyja
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had just committed suicide.
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je pravkar storil samomor.
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I spoke with Jason's parents that evening,
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Tisti večer sem govoril z njegovimi starši
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and I suppose that, when I was speaking with them,
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in verjetno, ko sem govoril z njimi,
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that I didn't sound as if I was doing very well,
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nisem zvenel najbolje,
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because that very next day,
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saj me je naslednji dan
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their family rabbi called to check on me.
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klical njihov rabin, da preveri, če sem v redu.
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Jason's parents had asked him to do so.
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Jasonovi starši so ga prosili, naj to stori.
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The collateral damage of suicide
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Postranska škoda samomora
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affects so many people.
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prizadene tako mnogo ljudi.
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I pose these questions to you:
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In zdaj vas vprašam:
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What would you do if your family member,
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"Kaj bi storili, če bi bil nekdo v vaši družini,
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friend or loved one was suicidal?
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prijatelj ali ljubljena oseba samomorilen?
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What would you say?
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Kaj bi rekli?
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Would you know what to say?
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Bi vedeli, kaj reči?"
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In my experience, it's not just the talking that you do,
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Po mojih izkušnjah ni vse v besedah,
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but the listening.
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ampak tudi v poslušanju.
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Listen to understand.
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Poslušajte, da boste razumeli.
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Don't argue, blame,
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Ne prepirajte se, ne krivite
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or tell the person you know how they feel,
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ali govorite, da veste, kako se počuti,
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because you probably don't.
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ker najverjetneje ne.
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By just being there,
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Ampak samo s tem, da ste tam,
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you may just be the turning point that they need.
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boste mogoče postali prelomna točka, ki jo potrebuje.
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If you think someone is suicidal,
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Če mislite, da je nekdo samomorilen,
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don't be afraid to confront them and ask the question.
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naj vas ne bo strah soočiti se z njimi in jih vprašati o tem.
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One way of asking them the question is like this:
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En način, da postavite vprašanje je ta:
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"Others in similar circumstances
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"Mnogi bi v podobnih razmerah
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have thought about ending their life;
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pomislili, da bi si vzeli življenje;
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have you had these thoughts?"
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si tudi sam že razmišljal o tem?"
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Confronting the person head-on
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Direktno soočenje
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may just save their life and be the turning point for them.
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jim lahko morda reši življenje in postane tista prelomna točka.
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Some other signs to look for:
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Drugi znaki na katere bodite pozorni:
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hopelessness, believing that things are terrible
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brezup, prepričanje, da so stvari grozne
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and never going to get better;
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in se ne bodo nikoli izboljšale;
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helplessness, believing that there is nothing
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nemoč, prepričanje, da ne more ničesar spremeniti;
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that you can do about it;
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recent social withdrawal;
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nedavna socialna izolacija;
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and a loss of interest in life.
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in izguba zanimanja za življenje.
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I came up with this talk just a couple of days ago,
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Ta govor sem pripravil komaj pred nekaj dnevi
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and I received an email from a lady
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in dobil sem elektronsko pošto od gospe,
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that I'd like to read you her letter.
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ki bi vam jo želel prebrati.
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She lost her son on January 19 of this year,
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Svojega sina je izgubila 19. januarja letos
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and she wrote this me this email
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in pisala mi je pred nekaj dnevi,
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just a couple of days ago,
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and it's with her permission and blessing
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in z njenim dovoljenjem vam sedaj to berem.
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that I read this to you.
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07:09
"Hi, Kevin. I imagine you're at the TED Conference.
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"Pozdravljen, Kevin. Predvidevam, da si na TED konferenci.
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That must be quite the experience to be there.
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To mora biti velika izkušnja.
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I'm thinking I should go walk the bridge this weekend.
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Razmišljam, da bi morala iti na sprehod po mostu ta vikend.
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Just wanted to drop you a note.
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Samo obvestiti sem te hotela.
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Hope you get the word out to many people
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Upam, da boš prenesel sporočilo veliko ljudem
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and they go home talking about it
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in bodo šli domov in govorili o tem
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to their friends who tell their friends, etc.
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s svojimi prijatelji, ki bodo to delili naprej.
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I'm still pretty numb,
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Še vedno sem precej otopela,
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but noticing more moments of really realizing
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a opažam več trenutkov pravega spoznanja,
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Mike isn't coming home.
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da Mika ne bo domov.
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Mike was driving from Petaluma to San Francisco
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Mike se je peljal iz Petalume v San Francisco,
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to watch the 49ers game with his father
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da bi 19. januarja gledal tekmo 49ersov s svojim očetom.
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on January 19.
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07:46
He never made it there.
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Nikoli ni prišel tja.
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I called Petaluma police
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Klicala sem policijo Petalume
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and reported him missing that evening.
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in tisti večer prijavila, da je pogrešan.
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The next morning,
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Naslednje jutro
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two officers came to my home
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sta domov prišla dva policista,
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and reported that Mike's car was down at the bridge.
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ki sta mi povedala, da je bil Mikov avto na mostu.
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A witness had observed him jumping off the bridge
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Priča ga je videla skočiti z mostu ob 13:58 prejšnjega dne.
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at 1:58 p.m. the previous day.
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08:11
Thanks so much
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Najlepša hvala, da se postavljate za tiste,
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for standing up for those
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08:14
who may be only temporarily too weak
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ki so trenutno prešibki,
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to stand for themselves.
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da bi to zmogli sami.
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Who hasn't been low before
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Kdo ni bil še nikoli na dnu,
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without suffering from a true mental illness?
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ne da bi hkrati trpel za pravo duševno boleznijo?
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It shouldn't be so easy to end it.
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Ne bi je smelo biti tako lahko končati.
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My prayers are with you for your fight.
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Moje molitve so z vami za vaš boj.
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The GGB, Golden Gate Bridge,
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GGB, Golden Gate Bridge,
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is supposed to be a passage across
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naj bi bil prehod čez
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our beautiful bay,
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naš čudoviti zaliv,
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not a graveyard.
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ne pokopališče.
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Good luck this week. Vicky."
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Veliko sreče ta teden. Vicky."
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I can't imagine the courage it takes for her
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Ne zamišljam si poguma, ki ga mora imeti,
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to go down to that bridge and walk the path
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da bo šla do mostu in prehodila pot,
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that her son took that day,
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ki jo je njen sin napravil tisti dan,
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and also the courage just to carry on.
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niti poguma, da živi dalje.
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I'd like to introduce you to a man
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Predstavil bi vam rad človeka,
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I refer to as hope and courage.
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ki ga imenujem upanje in pogum.
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On March 11 of 2005,
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11. marca 2005
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I responded to a radio call of a possible
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sem se odzval na klic o možnem samomorilcu na pločniku mostu
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suicidal subject on the bridge sidewalk
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near the north tower.
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blizu severnega stolpa.
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I rode my motorcycle down the sidewalk
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Z motorjem sem se pripeljal po pločniku
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and observed this man, Kevin Berthia,
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in zagledal tega moža, Kevina Berthio,
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standing on the sidewalk.
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ki je stal tam.
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When he saw me, he immediately traversed
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Ko me je zagledal, je nemudoma preplezal ograjo za pešce
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that pedestrian rail,
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in se postavil na tisto malo cev, ki obkroža stolp.
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and stood on that small pipe
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which goes around the tower.
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09:38
For the next hour and a half,
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Naslednjo uro in pol
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I listened as Kevin spoke about
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sem poslušal, medtem ko je Kevin govoril o svoji potrtosti in brezupu.
09:43
his depression and hopelessness.
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09:46
Kevin decided on his own that day
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Kevin se je tistega dne sam odločil,
09:49
to come back over that rail
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da spleza nazaj in poskusi znova.
09:50
and give life another chance.
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09:53
When Kevin came back over,
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Ko je splezal nazaj,
09:55
I congratulated him.
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sem mu čestital.
09:57
"This is a new beginning, a new life."
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"To je nov začetek, novo življenje."
09:59
But I asked him, "What was it
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Vendar sem ga vprašal: "Zakaj si se odločil, da se vrneš
10:03
that made you come back
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10:04
and give hope and life another chance?"
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in daš upanju in življenju še eno priložnost?"
10:07
And you know what he told me?
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Veste, kaj mi je rekel?
10:10
He said, "You listened.
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Odgovoril je: "Poslušali ste me.
10:12
You let me speak, and you just listened."
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Pustili ste mi govoriti in ste samo poslušali."
10:17
Shortly after this incident,
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Kmalu po tem dogodku
10:19
I received a letter from Kevin's mother,
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sem prejel pismo Kevinove mame,
10:23
and I have that letter with me,
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in to pismo imam s seboj
10:26
and I'd like to read it to you.
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in rad bi vam ga prebral.
10:28
"Dear Mr. Briggs,
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"Dragi gospod Briggs,
10:31
Nothing will erase the events of March 11,
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nič ne bo izbrisalo dogodkov z 11. marca,
10:33
but you are one of the reasons Kevin is still with us.
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a vi ste eden od razlogov, da je Kevin še vedno z nami.
10:37
I truly believe Kevin was crying out for help.
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Resnično verjamem, da je Kevin klical na pomoč.
10:41
He has been diagnosed with a mental illness
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Postavili so mu diagnozo duševne bolezni,
10:44
for which he has been properly medicated.
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za katero prejema ustrezna zdravila.
10:46
I adopted Kevin when he was only six months old,
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Posvojila sem ga, ko je bil star šest mesecev,
10:50
completely unaware of any hereditary traits,
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brez vednosti o kakih dednih značilnostih,
10:54
but, thank God, now we know.
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a danes, hvala bogu, vemo.
10:58
Kevin is straight, as he says.
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Kevin je dobro, kot sam pravi.
11:01
We truly thank God for you.
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In zahvaljujemo se bogu za vas.
11:03
Sincerely indebted to you,
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Z vdanim spoštovanjem,
11:06
Narvella Berthia."
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Narvella Berthia."
11:09
And on the bottom she writes,
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In na dnu je pripisala:
11:11
"P.S. When I visited San Francisco General Hospital that evening,
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"P.S. Ko sem tistega večera obiskala splošno bolnišnico San Francisca,
11:16
you were listed as the patient.
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so vas navedli kot pacienta.
11:18
Boy, did I have to straighten that one out."
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Joj, težko je bilo to popraviti."
11:23
Today, Kevin is a loving father
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Danes je Kevin ljubeč oče
11:27
and contributing member of society.
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in dejaven član skupnosti.
11:30
He speaks openly
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Brez zadržkov govori
11:31
about the events that day and his depression
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o dogodkih tistega dne in svoji depresiji
11:34
in the hopes that his story
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v upanju, da bo njegova zgodba navdihnila druge.
11:36
will inspire others.
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11:39
Suicide is not just something I've encountered on the job.
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Samomor ni samo nekaj, s čimer sem se soočil med delom.
11:42
It's personal.
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Je nekaj osebnega.
11:44
My grandfather committed suicide by poisoning.
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Moj dedek je napravil samomor s strupom.
11:48
That act, although ending his own pain,
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S tem, čeprav je končal svojo bolečino,
11:52
robbed me from ever getting to know him.
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me je oropal priložnosti, da bi ga kdaj spoznal.
11:57
This is what suicide does.
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To stori samomor.
11:59
For most suicidal folks,
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Večina samomorilcev ali tistih, ki o tem premišljujejo,
12:02
or those contemplating suicide,
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12:04
they wouldn't think of hurting another person.
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ne bi niti pomislila na to, da bi prizadeli druge.
12:06
They just want their own pain to end.
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Hočejo samo, da se njihova lastna bolečina konča.
12:10
Typically, this is accomplished in just three ways:
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Navadno se to doseže samo na tri načine:
12:14
sleep, drugs or alcohol, or death.
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s spancem, drogami in alkoholom ali smrtjo.
12:20
In my career, I've responded to
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V svoji karieri sem se odzval
12:22
and been involved in hundreds
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in bil vpleten v stotine
12:25
of mental illness and suicide calls
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klicev zaradi samomora ali duševne bolezni
12:27
around the bridge.
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v bližini mostu.
12:29
Of those incidents I've been directly involved with,
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Od tistih, kjer sem bil direktno vpleten,
12:33
I've only lost two,
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sem izgubil samo dva,
12:35
but that's two too many.
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a to sta dva preveč.
12:37
One was Jason.
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Eden je bil Jason.
12:39
The other was a man I spoke to
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Z drugim moškim sem govoril
12:41
for about an hour.
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dobro uro.
12:43
During that time, he shook my hand
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Med tem mi je trikrat segel v roko.
12:45
on three occasions.
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12:48
On that final handshake,
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Ob zadnjem stisku rok
12:50
he looked at me, and he said,
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me je pogledal in rekel:
12:52
"Kevin, I'm sorry, but I have to go."
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"Kevin, oprosti, ampak iti moram."
12:58
And he leapt.
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In je skočil.
13:00
Horrible, absolutely horrible.
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Grozno, nepopisno grozno.
13:03
I do want to tell you, though,
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Vendar vam moram povedati,
13:05
the vast majority of folks
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da velika večina ljudi,
13:07
that we do get to contact on that bridge
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s katerimi uspemo govoriti na mostu,
13:11
do not commit suicide.
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ne stori samomora.
13:14
Additionally, that very few
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Poleg tega, tistih nekaj,
13:17
who have jumped off the bridge and lived
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ki so skočili in preživeli
13:19
and can talk about it,
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in lahko govorijo o tem, tisti eden do dva odstotka pove,
13:21
that one to two percent,
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13:24
most of those folks have said
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13:25
that the second that they let go of that rail,
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da v trenutku, ko se odrinejo od ograje,
13:29
they knew that they had made a mistake
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vedo, da so storili napako
13:31
and they wanted to live.
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in da hočejo živeti.
13:34
I tell people, the bridge not only connects
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Ljudem pravim, da most ne povezuje samo
13:39
Marin to San Francisco,
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Marin s San Franciscom,
13:41
but people together also.
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ampak tudi ljudi med seboj.
13:44
That connection, or bridge that we make,
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Ta povezava ali most, ki ga delamo,
13:48
is something that each and every one of us
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je nekaj, za kar bi si moral vsak od nas prizadevati.
13:51
should strive to do.
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13:53
Suicide is preventable.
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Samomor je mogoče preprečiti.
13:56
There is help. There is hope.
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Obstaja pomoč. Obstaja upanje.
13:59
Thank you very much.
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Najlepša hvala.
14:02
(Applause)
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