The neurons that shaped civilization | VS Ramachandran

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翻译人员: Chaoran Yu 校对人员: Zachary Lin Zhao
00:15
I'd like to talk to you today about the human brain,
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今天,我想和大家一探大脑的奥秘,
00:18
which is what we do research on at the University of California.
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这是我于加州大学所做的研究。
00:20
Just think about this problem for a second.
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试着思考一下这个问题。
00:22
Here is a lump of flesh, about three pounds,
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这里有一堆肉,大概重三磅左右,
00:25
which you can hold in the palm of your hand.
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可以用一掌来握住。
00:27
But it can contemplate the vastness of interstellar space.
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但它却可以探究浩瀚的星际空间;
00:31
It can contemplate the meaning of infinity,
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可以探究无限的意义;
00:33
ask questions about the meaning of its own existence,
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可以探究自身存在的意义;
00:36
about the nature of God.
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可以探究上帝的本质。
00:38
And this is truly the most amazing thing in the world.
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这是世界上最不可思议之事。
00:40
It's the greatest mystery confronting human beings:
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这是人类面临的最大难题之一。
00:43
How does this all come about?
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这一切是怎么来的?
00:45
Well, the brain, as you know, is made up of neurons.
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正如你们所知,脑组织是由神经元所组成的。
00:47
We're looking at neurons here.
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这就是神经元。
00:49
There are 100 billion neurons in the adult human brain.
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成人脑组织里含有一千亿个神经元。
00:52
And each neuron makes something like 1,000 to 10,000 contacts
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每个神经元与其它神经元的
00:55
with other neurons in the brain.
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交接点约有一千至一万处。
00:57
And based on this, people have calculated
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基于此,人们对之进行了计算,
00:59
that the number of permutations and combinations of brain activity
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并得出各种大脑活动的组合总量
01:02
exceeds the number of elementary particles in the universe.
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超过了宇宙中基本粒子的数量。
01:05
So, how do you go about studying the brain?
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所以,我们应该如何研究大脑?
01:07
One approach is to look at patients who had lesions
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一种方法是观察那些有受过脑部
01:09
in different part of the brain, and study changes in their behavior.
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损伤的人,以来研究他们行为的变迁。
01:12
This is what I spoke about in the last TED.
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这是我于上次TED大会上所讲的内容。
01:14
Today I'll talk about a different approach,
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今天我将讲述一种新的方法。
01:16
which is to put electrodes in different parts of the brain,
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这种方法是将电极线置放于大脑的不同部位,
01:18
and actually record the activity of individual nerve cells in the brain.
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以记录单个神经细胞的活动性。
01:22
Sort of eavesdrop on the activity of nerve cells in the brain.
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颇类似于窃听神经细胞在大脑内的活动。
01:26
Now, one recent discovery that has been made
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最近,意大利帕尔马的
01:29
by researchers in Italy, in Parma,
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研究人员们,亦就是里佐拉蒂与其同事们,
01:31
by Giacomo Rizzolatti and his colleagues,
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在大脑前额叶
01:34
is a group of neurons called mirror neurons,
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发现了一组神经元,
01:36
which are on the front of the brain in the frontal lobes.
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这组神经元被他们称作镜像神经元。
01:39
Now, it turns out there are neurons
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此外,大脑里面还有一组神经元,
01:41
which are called ordinary motor command neurons in the front of the brain,
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称作运动神经元,也位于大脑的前半部分,
01:44
which have been known for over 50 years.
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这组神经元是50年前的发现。
01:46
These neurons will fire when a person performs a specific action.
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当我们要做某种运动时,这组神经元就会发射信息至相关器官。
01:49
For example, if I do that, and reach and grab an apple,
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例如,假若我这样做,我向前屈伸,然后抓住一只苹果,
01:52
a motor command neuron in the front of my brain will fire.
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一个运动神经元则会[向我的手]发射一组信息。
01:56
If I reach out and pull an object, another neuron will fire,
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假如我向前屈伸,并回拉一件物品,另外一个神经元则会
01:59
commanding me to pull that object.
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发射另一组信息以控制我的行动。
02:01
These are called motor command neurons that have been known for a long time.
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很早以前,这些运动神经元就被发现了。
02:03
But what Rizzolatti found was
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不过,里佐拉蒂他们发现
02:05
a subset of these neurons,
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这组神经元中包含着另外一组神经元,
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maybe about 20 percent of them, will also fire
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大约百分之二十左右。这些神经元是会当我观看他人
02:09
when I'm looking at somebody else performing the same action.
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行动时,发出与此行动一样的信息。
02:12
So, here is a neuron that fires when I reach and grab something,
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所以,当我向前抓住某物件时,有个神经元会发出相关信息,
02:15
but it also fires when I watch Joe reaching and grabbing something.
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可是若我观看乔做相同的动作时,另一个神经元也会发出相关信息。
02:18
And this is truly astonishing.
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这实在是令人震惊。
02:20
Because it's as though this neuron is adopting
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因为这表明,神经元也会
02:22
the other person's point of view.
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采纳别人的观点。
02:24
It's almost as though it's performing a virtual reality simulation
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几乎就是模仿了他人的动作,
02:28
of the other person's action.
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有如虚拟现实仿真。
02:30
Now, what is the significance of these mirror neurons?
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那么,这些镜像神经元有何存在意义呢?
02:33
For one thing they must be involved in things like imitation and emulation.
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这里我必须引入模仿和仿真的概念。
02:36
Because to imitate a complex act
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假使我们要模仿一种复杂的行为,
02:39
requires my brain to adopt the other person's point of view.
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那么我们的大脑则需要采纳他人的行为观点。
02:42
So, this is important for imitation and emulation.
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因此模仿和仿真是非常重要的。
02:44
Well, why is that important?
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好了,它们为什么重要呢?
02:46
Well, let's take a look at the next slide.
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让我们看看下一张幻灯片。
02:49
So, how do you do imitation? Why is imitation important?
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你怎样进行模仿?模仿为什么重要?
02:52
Mirror neurons and imitation, emulation.
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镜像神经元,模仿和仿真。
02:54
Now, let's look at culture, the phenomenon of human culture.
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现在,让我们从人类文化方面入手。
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If you go back in time about [75,000] to 100,000 years ago,
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让我们回到七万五千年至十万年前时,
03:02
let's look at human evolution, it turns out
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我们来观测下人类进化的过程,结果发现
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that something very important happened around 75,000 years ago.
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于七万五千年前左右,一件重大事件影响了人类的发展。
03:07
And that is, there is a sudden emergence and rapid spread
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那就是,各种独特的“人类”技巧
03:09
of a number of skills that are unique to human beings
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突然出现以及迅速传播。这些技巧包括
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like tool use,
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工具的使用、
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the use of fire, the use of shelters, and, of course, language,
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火的使用、房屋的出现和语言交流,
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and the ability to read somebody else's mind
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以及读取他人心思的能力和
03:19
and interpret that person's behavior.
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理解他人的行为。
03:21
All of that happened relatively quickly.
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这一切都相对地较快发生。
03:23
Even though the human brain had achieved its present size
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原始人类的大脑形状大约于四至五十万年前
03:26
almost three or four hundred thousand years ago,
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就已经发育至今人的形状,
03:28
100,000 years ago all of this happened very, very quickly.
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不过这些事件则是十万年前才快速地发生。
03:30
And I claim that what happened was
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我认为这些事件的产生是
03:33
the sudden emergence of a sophisticated mirror neuron system,
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源于先进的镜像神经元系统的突然浮现,
03:36
which allowed you to emulate and imitate other people's actions.
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这些神经元将允许你模仿他人的行为
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So that when there was a sudden accidental discovery
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所以当氏族的某一成员偶然
03:42
by one member of the group, say the use of fire,
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发现,火的使用,
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or a particular type of tool, instead of dying out,
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或者某种工具的使用,这种方法将会迅速传播
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this spread rapidly, horizontally across the population,
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而非凋零消亡,这种方法将会横向传播于氏族中,
03:50
or was transmitted vertically, down the generations.
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或者代代纵向传播。
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So, this made evolution suddenly Lamarckian,
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所以,这是一种拉马克式进化,
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instead of Darwinian.
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而非达尔文式。
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Darwinian evolution is slow; it takes hundreds of thousands of years.
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达尔文式进化是异乎缓慢的,它大概需要几千年的时间来产生效用。
04:00
A polar bear, to evolve a coat,
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若要使一只北极熊进化出一件外衣,
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will take thousands of generations, maybe 100,000 years.
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则需要他们经过数千代的传承,或许需要十万年方能得出外衣。
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A human being, a child, can just watch its parent
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一个人类小孩,则仅需观看他的父母
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kill another polar bear,
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如何屠杀另一只北极熊,
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and skin it and put the skin on its body, fur on the body,
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将其剥皮拆骨,用来制造外衣。
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and learn it in one step. What the polar bear
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小孩因此可以快速掌握这一技能。
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took 100,000 years to learn,
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北极熊需要十万年才得以进化出外衣,
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it can learn in five minutes, maybe 10 minutes.
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人类小孩仅仅要五分钟或者十分钟就学会了。
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And then once it's learned this it spreads
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当他们学会之后,这项技能将以
04:23
in geometric proportion across a population.
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燎原之势散播于他们的氏族当中。
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This is the basis. The imitation of complex skills
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这就是本源。文化就是模仿
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is what we call culture and is the basis of civilization.
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复杂的行为活动,而文明则产于此。
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Now there is another kind of mirror neuron,
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现在我将讲到另外一种镜像神经元,
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which is involved in something quite different.
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担负另外的功能。
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And that is, there are mirror neurons,
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有些镜像神经元只管活动,
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just as there are mirror neurons for action, there are mirror neurons for touch.
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另外一些则管触觉。
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In other words, if somebody touches me,
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换句话来说,假如某人触碰了我,
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my hand, neuron in the somatosensory cortex
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我的手,位于躯体感觉皮层的神经元
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in the sensory region of the brain fires.
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将会发出一组信息。
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But the same neuron, in some cases, will fire
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但同一个神经元,在某些情况下,
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when I simply watch another person being touched.
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当我观看他人被触碰时,也会发出信息。
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So, it's empathizing the other person being touched.
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注意,我是说他人被触碰。
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So, most of them will fire when I'm touched
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大多数的神经元都会于我被触碰时
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in different locations. Different neurons for different locations.
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发出信息。不同的神经元负责不同的身体区域。
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But a subset of them will fire even when I watch somebody else
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偏偏有小部分的神经元在我观看他人被触碰时
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being touched in the same location.
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也会发出相同的信息。
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So, here again you have neurons
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因此,这里又有一群神经元
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which are enrolled in empathy.
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参与进了你与他人之间的共鸣。
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Now, the question then arises: If I simply watch another person being touched,
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不过问题是:假如我只观看他人被触碰,
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why do I not get confused and literally feel that touch sensation
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那么为什么我不会
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merely by watching somebody being touched?
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有那种被触碰的感觉呢?
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I mean, I empathize with that person but I don't literally feel the touch.
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我与那人产生共鸣,但我并未产生触碰感。
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Well, that's because you've got receptors in your skin,
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那是因为我们皮肤上有感受器,
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touch and pain receptors, going back into your brain
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一种痛感受器,它会向大脑
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and saying "Don't worry, you're not being touched.
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反馈道:“切莫担心,你还未被触碰呢。
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So, empathize, by all means, with the other person,
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注意,是另外一个人被触碰呢,
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but do not actually experience the touch,
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而不是我们自己呀。
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otherwise you'll get confused and muddled."
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要不我们自己则会搞混呢。”
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Okay, so there is a feedback signal
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所以,这里会有一种反馈信号
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that vetoes the signal of the mirror neuron
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以阻止镜像神经元所发出的信号,
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preventing you from consciously experiencing that touch.
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从而使你避免感觉到那股错误的触碰感。
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But if you remove the arm, you simply anesthetize my arm,
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然而,当你移除你的手臂时,
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so you put an injection into my arm,
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或者向你的手臂注射麻醉剂,
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anesthetize the brachial plexus, so the arm is numb,
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从而麻醉臂丛神经
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and there is no sensations coming in,
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使你无法感觉到你的手臂的时候,
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if I now watch you being touched,
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假如你现在观看他人手掌被触碰,
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I literally feel it in my hand.
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你的手掌也会有被触碰的感觉。
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In other words, you have dissolved the barrier
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换句话说,你将你与他人之间的
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between you and other human beings.
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隔膜溶解了。
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So, I call them Gandhi neurons, or empathy neurons.
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因此,我称他们为甘地神经元,或者是共鸣神经元。
06:02
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:03
And this is not in some abstract metaphorical sense.
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这并不是种抽象的道理,
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All that's separating you from him,
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将你与他人隔开的
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from the other person, is your skin.
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就是你的皮肤。
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Remove the skin, you experience that person's touch in your mind.
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移除你的皮肤,你将会与他人感同身受。
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You've dissolved the barrier between you and other human beings.
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你将你与他人之间的隔膜溶解了。
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And this, of course, is the basis of much of Eastern philosophy,
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这些当然就是大部分东方哲学的基础。
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and that is there is no real independent self,
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那就是没有真实独立的自我
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aloof from other human beings, inspecting the world,
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将你与他人隔开,从而以审视这个世界,
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inspecting other people.
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审视他人。
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You are, in fact, connected not just via Facebook and Internet,
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事实上,我们与他人交结并不只是通过Facebook或是网络,
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you're actually quite literally connected by your neurons.
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而是各式各样的神经元。
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And there is whole chains of neurons around this room, talking to each other.
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在这间大厅里,有一群的神经元正互相交谈着呢。
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And there is no real distinctiveness
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你与他人的意识
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of your consciousness from somebody else's consciousness.
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并没有任何真正的差异。
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And this is not mumbo-jumbo philosophy.
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这并不是晦涩难懂的哲学。
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It emerges from our understanding of basic neuroscience.
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这是由基础神经学所引申出来的。
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So, you have a patient with a phantom limb. If the arm has been removed
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当你接诊一位有幻肢的病人时,幻肢即是
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and you have a phantom, and you watch somebody else
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截肢或残废的患者仍感到自己有该肢体的存在,当他观察他人
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being touched, you feel it in your phantom.
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被触碰时,他也会有此感。
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Now the astonishing thing is,
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令人震惊的是,
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if you have pain in your phantom limb, you squeeze the other person's hand,
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当你患有幻肢痛时,你对他人的手掌
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massage the other person's hand,
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进行按摩时,
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that relieves the pain in your phantom hand,
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你的疼痛感便会减轻。
07:00
almost as though the neuron
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这是因为你的神经元
07:02
were obtaining relief from merely
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正获取他人被按摩时
07:04
watching somebody else being massaged.
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所获得的舒适感。
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So, here you have my last slide.
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这是我最后一张幻灯片。
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For the longest time people have regarded science
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长期以来,人们都将科学与
07:11
and humanities as being distinct.
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人文学科分开,
07:13
C.P. Snow spoke of the two cultures:
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C.P.斯诺指出两种文化:
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science on the one hand, humanities on the other;
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一种是科学,一种是人文;
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never the twain shall meet.
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将永不相见。
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So, I'm saying the mirror neuron system underlies the interface
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而我则认为镜像神经元系统将再次引起
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allowing you to rethink about issues like consciousness,
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一场思潮,将使你重新思考什么是意识,
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representation of self,
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什么代表自我,
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what separates you from other human beings,
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什么将你于他人区分开,
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what allows you to empathize with other human beings,
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什么使你与他人产生共鸣,
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and also even things like the emergence of culture and civilization,
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什么使文化与文明产生,
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which is unique to human beings. Thank you.
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什么才是人类所独有的事物。谢谢。
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(Applause)
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