Isabel Allende: How to live passionately—no matter your age | TED

翻译人员: Coco Shen 校对人员: Carlyle Shaw

Hi, kids.

嗨，孩子们

(Laughter)

（笑声）

I'm 71.

我今年71岁

(Applause)

（掌声）

My husband is 76.

我丈夫76岁

My parents are in their late 90s,

我爸妈90多岁

and Olivia, the dog, is 16.

奥莉维亚（Olivia），我的狗，16岁

So let's talk about aging.

让我们来谈谈衰老

Let me tell you how I feel

我想告诉你们我的感觉

when I see my wrinkles in the mirror

当我在镜子里看到自己的皱纹

and I realize that some parts of me have dropped

当我意识到身体的某些部分开始往下掉

and I can't find them down there.

都不知道掉哪去了

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Mary Oliver says in one of her poems,

玛丽•奥利弗（Mary Oliver）在她的一首诗里说

"Tell me, what is it that you plan to do

“告诉我，你打算做什么

with your one wild and precious life?"

用你野性而珍贵的一生 ？”

Me, I intend to live passionately.

我呢，我想要过得充满激情

When do we start aging?

我们什么时候开始变老的呢？

Society decides when we are old,

社会决定了几岁算老

usually around 65, when we get Medicare,

一般来说大概是65岁，我们能用到医保

but we really start aging at birth.

但其实我们从出生就开始变老了

We are aging right now,

我们此时此刻就在变老

and we all experience it differently.

而且我们的体验都是不一样的

We all feel younger than our real age,

我们都觉得自己比实际年龄年轻

because the spirit never ages.

因为精神是不会变老的

I am still 17.

我还是17岁

Sophia Loren. Look at her.

索非亚•罗兰（Sophia Loren），看看她

She says that everything you see

她说，你看到她的一切

she owes to spaghetti.

都要归功于意大利面

I tried it and gained 10 pounds

我试了，然后胖了10磅

in the wrong places.

胖在不该胖的地方

But attitude, aging is also attitude and health.

态度，变老也关乎态度和健康

But my real mentor in this journey of aging

但我在变老旅途上的真正导师

is Olga Murray.

是欧嘉•马瑞（Olga Murray）

This California girl at 60

这个加州女孩在60岁的时候

started working in Nepal to save young girls

开始在尼泊尔工作

from domestic bondage.

把那儿的年轻女孩们从火坑里救出来

At 88, she has saved 12,000 girls,

88岁的时候，她已经救了12000个女孩了

and she has changed the culture in the country.

她改变了那里的文化

(Applause)

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Now it is illegal for fathers

现在（在尼泊尔）父亲要是

to sell their daughters into servitude.

把女儿卖去当奴隶是非法的

She has also founded orphanages

她还创办了孤儿院

and nutritional clinics.

营养诊所

She is always happy

她总是很快乐

and eternally young.

而且永远年轻

What have I lost in the last decades?

我在过去的几十年里失去了什么？

People, of course,

失去了一些人，当然

places, and the boundless energy of my youth,

失去了一些地方，和青春带给我的无尽能量

and I'm beginning to lose independence,

我开始失去自立的能力

and that scares me.

这让我害怕

Ram Dass says that dependency hurts,

拉姆·达斯（Ram Dass）说：依赖是伤人的

but if you accept it, there is less suffering.

但如果你接受它，就能少点痛苦

After a very bad stroke,

在一次严重的中风之后

his ageless soul watches the changes

他不老的灵魂

in the body with tenderness,

温柔地看着身体的所有变化

and he is grateful to the people who help him.

他开始对那些帮助他的人心存感激

What have I gained?

我得到了些什么呢？

Freedom: I don't have to prove anything anymore.

自由：我不必再证明任何东西了

I'm not stuck in the idea of who I was,

我不再纠结于我是谁

who I want to be,

我想变成谁

or what other people expect me to be.

或者别人期待我变成什么样了

I don't have to please men anymore,

我不再需要去取悦别人

only animals.

动物除外

I keep telling my superego to back off

我一直叫我的超我别过来

and let me enjoy what I still have.

好让我享受我仍拥有的一切

My body may be falling apart,

我的身体可能在散架

but my brain is not, yet.

但我的大脑还没有

I love my brain.

我爱我的大脑

I feel lighter.

我还觉得轻松多了

I don't carry grudges, ambition, vanity,

我不再有恩怨，野心，虚荣

none of the deadly sins that are not even

七宗罪甚至都不是事

worth the trouble.

It's great to let go.

放手，是件很棒的事

I should have started sooner.

我该更早学会的

And I also feel softer

我也觉得自己更柔软了

because I'm not scared of being vulnerable.

因为我不再因为脆弱而感到害怕

I don't see it as weakness anymore.

我不再把它看成是软弱

And I've gained spirituality.

我还多了几分灵性

I'm aware that before,

我以前觉得

death was in the neighborhood.

死亡就在附近

Now, it's next door, or in my house.

现在呢，它就在隔壁，或者就在我屋子里

I try to live mindfully

我努力用心生活

and be present in the moment.

活在当下

By the way, the Dalai Lama

顺便说一句，达赖喇嘛

is someone who has aged beautifully,

算是老得很漂亮

but who wants to be vegetarian and celibate?

但谁愿意成为素食加单身呢？

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Meditation helps.

冥想挺有用的

(Video) Child: Ommm. Ommm. Ommm.

（视频）小孩：唵，唵，唵。

Isabel Allende: Ommm. Ommm. There it is.

唵，唵。就像这样

And it's good to start early.

而且越早开始越好

You know, for a vain female like myself,

你知道，像我这样虚荣的女性

it's very hard to age in this culture.

在现在这样的文化环境里是很难变老的

Inside, I feel good, I feel charming, seductive, sexy.

我觉得我自己很好，很有魅力，很妖媚，很性感

Nobody else sees that. (Laughter)

但别人都看不到。（笑声）

I'm invisible.

我是隐形的

I want to be the center of attention.

我想成为瞩目的焦点

I hate to be invisible.

我讨厌自己隐形

(Laughter) (Applause)

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This is Grace Dammann.

这是格蕾丝・达曼（Grace Dammann）

She has been in a wheelchair for six years

因为一场车祸

after a terrible car accident.

她坐轮椅已经六年了

She says that there is nothing more sensual

她说，没有什么比冲个热水澡

than a hot shower,

更感性的事情了

that every drop of water

每一滴水滴

is a blessing to the senses.

都是一种感官的享受

She doesn't see herself as disabled.

她不觉得自己是残疾

In her mind, she's still surfing in the ocean.

在她心里，她一直都在海里冲浪

Ethel Seiderman, a feisty, beloved activist

艾塞尔・赛德曼（Ethel Seiderman） 在我住的加利福尼亚

in the place where I live in California.

是个好强而可爱的活动家

She wears red patent shoes,

她总穿一双招牌的红鞋

and her mantra is that one scarf is nice

她的口头禅是：一条围巾固然好

but two is better.

但两条更好

She has been a widow for nine years,

她已经守寡九年了

but she's not looking for another mate.

但她不想再找个伴

She says that there is only a limited number

她说，做爱的方法

of ways you can screw —

就那么几种

well, she says it in another way —

好吧，这不是她的原话

and she has tried them all.

她说她都已经试过了

(Laughter)

（笑声）

I, on the other hand,

我就不一样

I still have erotic fantasies with Antonio Banderas —

我仍然对安东尼奥·班德拉斯（Antonio Banderas） 抱有性幻想

(Laughter) —

（笑声）

and my poor husband has to put up with it.

我可怜的丈夫只能忍

So how can I stay passionate?

我要怎么让自己保持激情呢？

I cannot will myself to be passionate at 71.

71岁的人不是说激情就能激情的

I have been training for some time,

我训练自己有一段时间了

and when I feel flat and bored, I fake it.

当我觉得平淡无聊的时候，我就假装自己充满激情

Attitude, attitude.

态度，还是态度

How do I train? I train by saying yes

我怎么训练自己呢？我训练自己

to whatever comes my way:

对所有的事情说Yes

drama, comedy, tragedy,

无论情节，无论悲喜

love, death, losses.

对爱，对死亡，对失去

Yes to life.

对生活，说Yes

And I train by trying to stay in love.

我训练自己心存爱意

It doesn't always work,

这并不是一直都管用的

but you cannot blame me for trying.

但至少我在试

And, on a final note,

最后一点

retirement in Spanish is jubilación.

退休在西班牙语里叫 jubilación

Jubilation. Celebration.

就是喜庆，庆祝的意思

We have paid our dues.

我们都缴了税

We have contributed to society.

也都对社会有所贡献了

Now it's our time, and it's a great time.

现在我们的好日子来了，精彩的日子

Unless you are ill or very poor,

除非你病了或很穷

you have choices.

你有很多选择

I have chosen to stay passionate,

我选择了保持激情

engaged with an open heart.

敞开胸怀

I am working on it every day.

我每天都在这样努力

Want to join me?

想跟我一起吗？

Thank you.

谢谢

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June Cohen: So Isabel — IA: Thank you.

主持人: 那么伊莎贝 IA: 谢谢

JC: First of all,

主持人: 首先

I never like to presume to speak for the TED community,

我不太喜欢代表 TED 社群发言

but I would like to tell you that I have a feeling

但我想告诉你我觉得

we can all agree that you are still charming,

我们都一致同意

seductive and sexy. Yes?

你依然有魅力，妩媚跟性感。对吗？

IA: Aww, thank you. (Applause)

IA: 谢谢 （掌声）

JC: Hands down. IA: No, it's makeup.

主持人: 毫无疑义 IA: 只是化妆啦

Moderator: Now, would it be awkward

主持人: 现在呢，如果我追问一个问题

if I asked you a follow-up question about your erotic fantasies?

关于你的性幻想，会不会有点尴尬？

IA: Oh, of course. About what?

IA: 当然好。关于啥来着？

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Moderator: About your erotic fantasies. IA: With Antonio Banderas.

主持人: 关于你的性幻想 IA: 是跟安东尼奥·班德拉斯（Antonio Banderas）

Moderator: I was just wondering if you have anything more to share.

主持人: 我只是想说你会不会还有更多要分享

IA: Well, one of them is that — (Laughter)

主持人: 好吧，说一个吧 （笑声）

One of them is that I place a naked Antonio Banderas

其中一个是这样的： 我把裸体的安东尼奥·班德拉斯（Antonio Banderas）

on a Mexican tortilla,

放在墨西哥玉米饼上

I slather him with guacamole and salsa,

往他身上涂满鳄梨酱和莎莎酱

I roll him up, and I eat him. (Laughter)

然后卷起来，把他吃掉。（笑声）

Thank you.

谢谢

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