What hallucination reveals about our minds | Oliver Sacks

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00:12
We see with the eyes,
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Vi ser med øjnene.
00:14
but we see with the brain as well.
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Men vi ser også med hjernen.
00:18
And seeing with the brain is often called imagination.
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Og at se med hjernen bliver ofte kaldt fantasi.
Og vi kender vores egen fantasis landskaber,
00:23
And we are familiar with the landscapes of our own imagination,
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00:27
our inscapes.
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vores indskaber. Vi har levet med dem hele livet.
00:28
We've lived with them all our lives.
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00:31
But there are also hallucinations as well.
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Men der findes også hallucinationer.
00:35
And hallucinations are completely different.
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Og hallucinationer er helt anderledes.
00:38
They don't seem to be of our creation.
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De lader ikke til at være vores værk.
00:40
They don't seem to be under control.
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De lader ikke til at være under vores kontrol.
00:42
They seem to come from the outside and to mimic perception.
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De lader til at komme udefra
og [lader til] at efterligne opfattelsen.
00:47
So I am going to be talking about hallucinations
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Så jeg vil tale om hallucinationer.
00:51
and a particular sort of visual hallucination,
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Og en bestemt form for visuel hallucination,
00:55
which I see among my patients.
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som jeg ser blandt mine patienter.
01:00
A few months ago, I got a phone call from a nursing home where I work.
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For et par måneder siden modtog jeg et telefonopkald
fra et plejehjem, hvor jeg arbejder.
01:06
They told me that one of their residents, an old lady in her 90s,
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De fortalte mig, at en af beboerne, en gammel dame i sine 90'ere,
01:11
was seeing things,
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så ting.
01:13
and they wondered if she'd gone bonkers
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Og de tænkte på, om hun var blevet skør.
01:16
or, because she was an old lady,
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Eller, for hun var en gammel dame,
01:18
whether she'd had a stroke, or whether she had Alzheimer's.
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om hun havde haft et slagtilfælde, eller om hun havde Alzheimers.
01:21
And so they asked me if I would come and see Rosalie,
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Og derfor spurgte de mig, om jeg ville komme og se til Rosalie,
01:26
the old lady.
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den gamle dame.
01:28
I went in to see her.
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Jeg tog hen for at se til hende.
01:30
It was evident straightaway that she was perfectly sane
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Det var tydeligt med det samme,
at hun var ved sine fulde fem
01:35
and lucid and of good intelligence,
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og klar og godt begavet.
01:38
but she'd been very startled and very bewildered,
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Men hun var blevet meget forskrækket og meget forvirret,
01:42
because she'd been seeing things.
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for hun var begyndt at se ting.
01:45
And she told me -- the nurses hadn't mentioned this --
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Og hun fortalte mig, --
sygeplejerskerne havde ikke nævnt dette --
01:50
that she was blind,
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at hun var blind,
01:52
that she had been completely blind from macular degeneration for five years.
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at hun havde været helt blind pga. makulær degeneration i fem år.
01:57
But now, for the last few days, she'd been seeing things.
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Men nu, de seneste par dage var hun begyndt at se ting.
02:00
So I said, "What sort of things?"
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Så jeg sagde, "Hvad slags ting?"
02:02
And she said, "People in Eastern dress,
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Og hun sagde, "Folk i østligt tøj
02:06
in drapes, walking up and down stairs.
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i draperinger, der går op og ned af trapper.
02:10
A man who turns towards me and smiles,
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En mand, der vender sig mod mig og smiler.
02:13
but he has huge teeth on one side of his mouth.
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Men han har enorme tænder i den ene side af munden.
02:17
Animals too.
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Også dyr.
02:19
I see a white building. It's snowing, a soft snow.
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Jeg ser en hvid bygning. Det sner, en blød sne.
02:22
I see this horse with a harness, dragging the snow away.
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Jeg ser den her hest med seletøj, der trækker sneen væk.
02:27
Then, one night, the scene changes.
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Så en nat ændrer scenen sig.
02:30
I see cats and dogs walking towards me.
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Jeg ser katte og hunde gå imod mig.
02:33
They come to a certain point and then stop.
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De kommer til et bestemt sted og stopper så.
02:36
Then it changes again.
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Så ændrer det sig igen.
02:38
I see a lot of children. They're walking up and down stairs.
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Jeg ser en masse børn. De går op og ned af trapper.
02:41
They wear bright colors, rose and blue,
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De bærer lyse farver, rosa og blå,
02:44
like Eastern dress."
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som østligt tøj."
02:47
Sometimes, she said, before the people come on,
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Nogle gange, sagde hun, før folkene kom på,
02:50
she may hallucinate pink and blue squares on the floor,
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kan hun hallucinere om pink og blå kvadrater på gulvet,
02:54
which seem to go up to the ceiling.
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der lader til at gå op til loftet.
02:57
I said, "Is this like a dream?"
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Jeg sagde, "Er det som en drøm?"
03:01
And she said, "No, it's not like a dream. It's like a movie."
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Og hun sagde, "Nej, det er ikke som en drøm. Det er som en film."
Hun sagde, "Det har farver. Det har bevægelse.
03:05
She said, "It's got color. It's got motion.
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03:07
But it's completely silent, like a silent movie."
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Men det er helt tyst, som en stumfilm."
03:11
And she said it's a rather boring movie.
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Og hun sagde, at det er en ret kedelig film.
03:13
(Laughter)
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Hun sagde, "Alle disse folk med østligt tøj,
03:14
She said, "All these people with Eastern dress,
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03:16
walking up and down, very repetitive, very limited."
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der går op og ned, meget gentagende, meget begrænset."
03:20
(Laughter)
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(Latter)
03:22
And she had a sense of humor.
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Og hun havde sans for humor.
03:24
She knew it was a hallucination, but she was frightened.
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Hun vidste, det var en hallucination.
Men hun var bange. Hun havde levet i 95 år,
03:28
She had lived 95 years,
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03:29
and she'd never had a hallucination before.
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og hun havde aldrig haft en hallucination før.
03:32
She said that the hallucinations were unrelated to anything she was thinking
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Hun sagde, at hallucinationerne var uden relation
til noget som helst hun tænkte eller følte eller gjorde.
03:37
or feeling or doing,
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At de lod til at komme frem af sig selv, eller forsvinde [af dem selv].
03:40
that they seemed to come on by themselves, or disappear.
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03:43
She had no control over them.
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Hun havde ingen kontrol over dem.
Hun sagde, at hun ikke genkendte
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She said she didn't recognize any of the people or places
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nogen af folkene eller stederne
03:49
in the hallucinations,
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i hallucinationerne.
03:51
and none of the people or the animals --
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Og ingen af folkene eller dyrene,
03:53
well, they all seemed oblivious of her.
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altså, de virkede alle til ikke at ænse hende.
03:57
And she didn't know what was going on.
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Og hun vidste ikke, hvad der foregik.
03:59
She wondered if she was going mad or losing her mind.
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Hun spekulerede på, om hun var ved at blive skør
eller miste forstanden.
04:03
Well, I examined her carefully.
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Nå, jeg undersøgte hende grundigt.
04:05
She was a bright old lady,
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Hun var en kvik gammel dame.
Fuldstændig fornuftig. Hun havde ingen medicinske problemer.
04:08
perfectly sane.
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04:09
She had no medical problems.
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04:11
She wasn't on any medications which could produce hallucinations.
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Hun var ikke på noget medicin, der kunne forårsage hallucinations.
04:15
But she was blind.
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Men hun var blind.
04:17
And I then said to her, "I think I know what you have."
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Og jeg sagde til hende,
"Jeg tror, jeg ved, hvad du har."
04:21
I said, "There is a special form of visual hallucination
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Jeg sagde, "Der er en speciel form for visuel hallucination,
04:25
which may go with deteriorating vision or blindness.
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der kan komme af nedsat syn eller blindhed."
04:29
This was originally described," I said,
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"Dette blev først beskrevet," sagde jeg,
04:32
"right back in the 18th century,
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"tilbage i det 18. århundrede
04:34
by a man called Charles Bonnet.
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af en mand ved navn Charles Bonnet.
04:37
And you have Charles Bonnet syndrome.
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Og du har Charles Bonnets syndrom.
04:40
There's nothing wrong with your brain. There's nothing wrong with your mind.
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Der er intet galt med din hjerne. Der er intet galt med dit sind.
Du har Charles Bonnets syndrom."
04:43
You have Charles Bonnet syndrome."
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04:45
And she was very relieved at this,
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Og hun blev meget lettet over at høre,
04:48
that there was nothing seriously the matter,
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at der ikke var noget seriøst i vejen
04:51
and also rather curious.
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og også ret nysgerrig.
04:54
She said, "Who is this Charles Bonnet?"
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Hun sagde, "Hvem er denne Charles Bonnet?"
04:57
She said, "Did he have them himself?"
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Hun sagde, "Havde han dem selv?"
05:00
And she said, "Tell all the nurses that I have Charles Bonnet syndrome."
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Og hun sagde, "Sig til alle sygeplejerskerne,
at jeg har Charles Bonnets syndrom."
05:05
(Laughter)
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(Latter)
05:07
"I'm not crazy. I'm not demented. I have Charles Bonnet syndrome."
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"Jeg er ikke gal. Jeg er ikke dement. Jeg har Charles Bonnets syndrom."
05:12
Well, so, I did tell the nurses.
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Nå, så jeg fortalte sygeplejerskerne det.
05:14
Now this, for me, is a common situation.
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Nå for mig er dette en normal situation.
05:17
I work in old-age homes, largely.
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Jeg arbejder hovedsagligt på plejehjem,
05:19
I see a lot of elderly people
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og jeg ser en masse ældre mennesker,
der er hørehæmmede eller synshæmmede.
05:22
who are hearing-impaired or visually impaired.
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05:25
About 10 percent of the hearing-impaired people
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Omkring 10 procent af de hørehæmmede
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get musical hallucinations.
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får musiske hallucinationer.
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And about 10 percent of the visually impaired people
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Og omkring 10 procent af de synshæmmede
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get visual hallucinations.
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får visuelle hallucinationer.
05:35
You don't have to be completely blind,
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Du behøver ikke være helt blind,
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only sufficiently impaired.
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kun tilstrækkeligt hæmmet.
05:39
Now, with the original description in the 18th century,
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Nå hvad angår den originale beskrivelse i det 18. århundrede,
05:43
Charles Bonnet did not have them.
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havde Charles Bonnet dem ikke selv.
05:45
His grandfather had these hallucinations.
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Hans bedstefar havde disse hallucinationer.
05:48
His grandfather was a magistrate, an elderly man.
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Hans bedstefar var underretsdommer, en ældre mand.
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He'd had cataract surgery.
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Han var blevet opereret for grå stær.
05:54
His vision was pretty poor.
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Hans syn var ret dårligt.
05:56
And in 1759, he described to his grandson
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Og i 1759 beskrev han for sit barnebarn
06:01
various things he was seeing.
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forskellige ting, han så.
06:03
The first thing he said was he saw a handkerchief in midair.
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Det første, han sagde, var, at han så
et lommetørklæde frit i luften.
06:07
It was a large blue handkerchief with four orange circles.
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Det var et stort, blåt lommetørklæde
med fire orange cirkler.
06:11
And he knew it was a hallucination.
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Og han vidste, det var en hallucination.
06:14
You don't have handkerchiefs in midair.
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Man har ikke lommetørklæder frit i luften.
06:16
And then he saw a big wheel in midair.
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Og så så han et stort hjul frit i luften.
06:20
But sometimes he wasn't sure whether he was hallucinating or not,
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Men nogle gange var han ikke sikker på, om han hallucinerede eller ej.
06:25
because the hallucinations would fit in the context of the visions.
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For hallucinationerne ville passe
ind i sammenhængen af syn.
06:29
So on one occasion, when his granddaughters were visiting them,
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Så ved én lejlighed, da hans børnebørn besøgte dem,
sagde han, "Og hvem er så disse nydelige unge mænd, I har med?"
06:33
he said, "And who are these handsome young men with you?"
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06:36
(Laughter)
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06:37
And they said, "Alas, Grandpapa, there are no handsome young men."
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Og de sagde, "Ak, Bedstefar, der er ingen nydelige unge mænd."
06:41
And then the handsome young men disappeared.
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Og så forsvandt de nydelige unge mænd.
06:45
It's typical of these hallucinations
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Det er typisk for disse hallucinationer,
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that they may come in a flash and disappear in a flash.
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at de kan komme i et glimt og forsvinde i et glimt.
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They don't usually fade in and out.
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De toner som regel ikke ind og ud.
06:53
They are rather sudden, and they change suddenly.
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De er ret pludselige. Og de ændrer sig pludseligt.
Charles Lullin, bedstefaren,
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Charles Lullin, the grandfather,
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06:59
saw hundreds of different figures,
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så hundredvis af forskellige figurer,
07:02
different landscapes of all sorts.
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forskellige landskaber af alle slags.
07:04
On one occasion, he saw a man in a bathrobe smoking a pipe,
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Ved én lejlighed så han en mand i badekåbe, der røg pibe,
07:08
and realized it was himself.
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og indså, det var ham selv.
07:11
That was the only figure he recognized.
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Det var den eneste figur, han genkendte.
07:14
On one occasion, when he was walking in the streets of Paris,
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Ved én lejlighed, da han gik i Paris' gader,
07:18
he saw -- this was real -- a scaffolding.
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så han -- dette var ægte -- et stillads.
07:21
But when he got back home, he saw a miniature of the scaffolding,
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Men da han kom hjem, så han en miniatureudgave af stilladset
07:24
six inches high,
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seks tommer højt på sit skrivebord.
07:26
on his study table.
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07:28
This repetition of perception is sometimes called "palinopsia."
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Denne gentagelse af sansning
kaldes nogle gange palinopsia.
For ham, og for Rosalie,
07:34
With him and with Rosalie,
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07:38
what seems to be going on --
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hvad der lader til at foregå --
07:40
and Rosalie said, "What's going on?" --
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og Rosalie sagde, "Hvad foregår der?" --
07:42
and I said that as you lose vision,
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og jeg sagde, at som du mister synet,
07:45
as the visual parts of the brain are no longer getting any input,
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når de visuelle dele af hjernen ikke længere modtager noget,
07:48
they become hyperactive and excitable,
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bliver de hyperaktive og pirrelige.
07:51
and they start to fire spontaneously.
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Og de begynder at affyre spontant.
Og man begynder at se ting.
07:54
And you start to see things.
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07:56
The things you see can be very complicated indeed.
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Tingene, man ser, kan i den grad være meget komplicerede.
For en anden af mine patienter,
08:00
With another patient of mine who also had some vision,
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der [ligesom Charles Lullin stadig] havde noget af synet,
kunne synes hun havde være forstyrrende.
08:06
the visions she had could be disturbing.
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08:09
On one occasion, she said she saw a man in a striped shirt in a restaurant.
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Ved én lejlighed sagde hun, hun så
en mand i en stribet trøje i en restaurant.
08:15
And he turned round,
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Og han vendte rundt. Og så
08:16
and then he divided into six figures in striped shirts,
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delte han sig i seks identiske skikkelser i stribede trøjer,
08:20
who started walking towards her.
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der begyndte at gå imod hende.
08:23
And then the six figures came together, like a concertina.
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Og så blev de seks skikkelser sat sammen igen, som en concertina.
08:26
Once, when she was driving,
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Engang, imens hun kørte,
08:28
or rather, her husband was driving,
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eller rettere, hendes mand kørte,
08:30
the road divided into four
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delte vejen sig i fire.
08:32
and she felt herself going simultaneously up four roads.
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Og hun følte sig selv køre op ad fire veje på én gang.
Hun havde også meget mobile hallucinationer.
08:37
She had very mobile hallucinations as well.
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08:41
A lot of them had to do with a car.
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Mange af dem havde noget at gøre med en bil.
08:44
Sometimes she would see a teenage boy sitting on the hood of the car.
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Nogle gange så hun en teenagedreng
sidde på bilens kølerhjelm.
08:48
He was very tenacious,
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Han var meget vedholdende og han bevægede sig ret yndefuldt,
08:50
and he moved rather gracefully when the car turned.
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når bilen drejede.
08:53
And then when they came to a stop,
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Og så, når de holdt stille,
08:56
the boy would do a sudden vertical takeoff, 100 foot in the air,
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ville drengen pludseligt sætte lodret af, 30 meter op i luften,
08:59
and then disappear.
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og så forsvinde.
09:02
Another patient of mine had a different sort of hallucination.
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En anden af mine patienter havde en anden form for hallucination.
09:07
This was a woman who didn't have trouble with her eyes
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Dette var en kvinde, der ikke havde problemer med øjnene,
09:10
but the visual parts of her brain,
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men med de visuelle dele af sin hjerne.
09:12
a little tumor in the occipital cortex.
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En lille svulst i nakkelappen.
09:15
And, above all, she would see cartoons.
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Og først og fremmest så hun tegneserier.
09:20
And these cartoons would be transparent,
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Disse tegneserier var gennemsigtige
09:24
and would cover half the visual field, like a screen.
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og dækkede halvdelen af det synlige felt, som en skærm.
09:28
And especially, she saw cartoons of Kermit the Frog.
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Og hun så især tegneserier med Kermit.
09:33
(Laughter)
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(Latter)
09:35
Now, I don't watch Sesame Street,
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Nu ser jeg godt nok ikke Sesame Street.
Men hun havde en pointe i at sige,
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but she made a point of saying,
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"Why Kermit?" she said, "Kermit the Frog means nothing to me."
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"Hvorfor Kermit?" Hun sagde, "Kermit betyder intet for mig.
09:45
You know, I was wondering about Freudian determinants: Why Kermit?
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Du ved, jeg tænkte på freudianske determinanter.
Hvorfor Kermit?
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"Kermit the Frog means nothing to me."
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Kermit betyder intet for mig."
09:52
She didn't mind the cartoons too much.
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Hun havde ikke så meget imod tegneserierne.
09:54
But what did disturb her
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Men hvad der forstyrrede hende, var at hun havde meget vedvarende
09:56
was she got very persistent images or hallucinations of faces,
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billeder eller hallucinationer af ansigter
10:01
and as with Rosalie, the faces were often deformed,
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og som for Rosalie, var ansigterne ofte deforme
10:04
with very large teeth or very large eyes.
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med meget store tænder eller meget store øjne.
10:08
And these frightened her.
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Og disse skræmte hende.
10:11
Well, what is going on with these people?
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Nå, hvad sker der for disse mennesker?
10:15
As a physician, I have to try and define what's going on
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Som læge, er jeg nødt til at forsøge at definere, hvad der sker,
10:18
and to reassure people,
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og forsikre folk.
10:20
especially to reassure them that they're not going insane.
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Især forsikre dem om, at de ikke er ved at blive sindssyge.
Omkring 10 procent, som jeg sagde,
10:25
Something like 10 percent, as I said,
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of visually impaired people get these.
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af synshæmmede får disse.
10:30
But no more than one percent of the people acknowledge them,
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Men ikke mere end en procent af menneskerne vedkender sig dem.
10:34
because they are afraid they will be seen as insane or something.
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Fordi de er bange for, at de vil blive anset for gale eller sådan noget.
10:37
And if they do mention them to their own doctors,
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Og hvis de nævner dem for deres egne læger,
kan de blive fejldiagnosticerede.
10:40
they may be misdiagnosed.
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In particular, the notion is that if you see things or hear things,
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Især er opfattelsen, at hvis du ser
ting eller hører ting, er du ved at blive gal.
10:45
you're going mad.
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10:47
But the psychotic hallucinations are quite different.
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Men de psykotiske hallucinationer er meget forskellige.
10:50
Psychotic hallucinations, whether they are visual or vocal,
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Psykotiske hallucinationer, uanset om de er visuelle eller stemmer,
10:53
they address you.
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de henvender sig til dig. De anklager dig.
10:54
They accuse you, they seduce you, they humiliate you, they jeer at you.
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De forfører dig. De ydmyger dig.
De håner dig.
11:00
You interact with them.
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Du interagerer med dem.
11:02
There is none of this quality of being addressed
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Der er intet af denne bliven tiltalt
11:05
with these Charles Bonnet hallucinations.
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ved disse Charles Bonnet-hallucinationer.
11:08
There is a film. You're seeing a film which has nothing to do with you --
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Der er en film. Du ser en film, der intet har med dig at gøre.
11:12
or that's how people think about it.
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Eller det er sådan folk opfatter det.
11:15
There is also a rare thing called temporal lobe epilepsy,
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Der er også en sjælden ting kaldet temporallapsepilepsi.
11:19
and sometimes, if one has this,
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Og somme tider, hvis man har dette,
11:22
one may feel oneself transported back to a time and place in the past.
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kan man føle sig ført tilbage
til en tid og et sted i fortiden.
11:27
You're at a particular road junction.
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Man er ved en bestemt vejtilslutning.
11:29
You smell chestnuts roasting.
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Man kan lugte ristede kastanjer.
11:31
You hear the traffic. All the senses are involved.
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Man kan høre trafikken. Alle sanser er involverede.
Og man venter på sin pige.
11:35
And you're waiting for your girl.
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And it's that Tuesday evening back in 1982.
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Og det er den tirsdag aften tilbage i 1982.
11:40
The temporal lobe hallucinations are all sense hallucinations,
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Og tindingelaphallucinationerne
er alle mange-sansende hallucinationer
11:44
full of feeling, full of familiarity,
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fyldt med følelse, fyldt med genkendelighed,
11:47
located in space and time,
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placerede i rum og tid,
11:49
coherent, dramatic.
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sammenhængende, dramatiske.
11:51
The Charles Bonnet ones are quite different.
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Charles Bonnet hallucinationerne er helt anderledes.
11:54
In the Charles Bonnet hallucinations, you have all sorts of levels,
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Så i Charles Bonnet hallucinationer
har man alle mulige niveauer
12:00
from the geometrical hallucinations --
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fra de geometriske hallucinationer,
12:02
the pink and blue squares the woman had --
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de pink og blå kvadrater, kvinden så,
12:05
up to quite elaborate hallucinations
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op til de ret detaljerede hallucinationer
12:09
with figures and especially faces.
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med figurer og især ansigter.
12:12
Faces, and sometimes deformed faces,
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Ansigter, og nogle gange deforme ansigter,
12:15
are the single commonest thing in these hallucinations.
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er den allermest almindelige ting
i disse hallucinationer.
12:20
And one of the second commonest is cartoons.
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Og en af de næst-mest normale er tegneserier.
12:23
So, what is going on?
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Så, hvad sker der?
12:26
Fascinatingly, in the last few years,
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Fascinerende nok i de sidste par år
12:28
it's been possible to do functional brain imagery,
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har det været muligt at skabe funktionelle hjernebilleder,
12:32
to do fMRI on people as they are hallucinating,
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at lave fMRI på folk, mens de hallucinerer.
Og faktisk at finde ud af, at forskellige dele
12:37
and, in fact, to find that different parts of the visual brain are activated
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af den visuelle hjerne aktiveres,
12:43
as they are hallucinating.
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mens de hallucinerer.
12:45
When people have these simple, geometrical hallucinations,
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Når folk har disse simple geometriske hallucinationer,
12:48
the primary visual cortex is activated.
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aktiveres den primære visuelle hjernebark.
12:52
This is the part of the brain which perceives edges and patterns.
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Dette er den del af hjernen, der opfatter kanter og mønstre.
12:55
You don't form images with your primary visual cortex.
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Man skaber ikke billeder med sin primære visuelle hjernebark.
12:59
When images are formed,
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Når billeder skabes,
13:02
a higher part of the visual cortex is involved, in the temporal lobe.
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er en højere del af den visuelle hjernebark
involveret i tindingelappen.
Og især ét af områderne i tindingelappen
13:07
And in particular, one area of the temporal lobe
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is called the fusiform gyrus.
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hedder den tenformede gyrus.
13:13
And it's known that if people have damage in the fusiform gyrus,
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Og det er kendt, at hvis folk har skader i den tenformede gyrus,
13:17
they may lose the ability to recognize faces.
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mister de måske evnen til at genkende ansigter.
13:21
But if there's an abnormal activity in the fusiform gyrus,
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Men hvis der er en abnorm aktivitet i den tenformede gyrus,
13:25
they may hallucinate faces,
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kan de få ansigtshallucinationer.
13:27
and this is exactly what you find in some of these people.
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Og dette er præcis, hvad man finder hos nogle af disse folk.
13:30
There is an area in the anterior part of this gyrus
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Der er et område i den forreste del af denne gyrus,
13:34
where teeth and eyes are represented,
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hvor tænder og øjne repræsenteres.
13:39
and that part of the gyrus is activated
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Og denne del af gyrussen aktiveres,
13:42
when people get the deformed hallucinations.
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når folk får de deforme hallucinationer.
13:46
There is another part of the brain which is especially activated
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Der er en anden del af hjernen,
som især aktiveres,
13:50
when one sees cartoons.
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når man ser tegneserier.
13:52
It's activated when one recognizes cartoons,
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Den aktiveres, når man genkender tegneserier,
13:55
when one draws cartoons and when one hallucinates them.
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når man tegner tegneserier, og når man hallucinerer om dem.
13:59
It's very interesting that that should be specific.
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Det er meget interessant, at dette skulle være specifikt.
14:02
There are other parts of the brain which are specifically involved
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Der er andre dele af hjernen, som er specifikt involveret
14:05
with the recognition and hallucination of buildings and landscapes.
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med genkendelsen af og hallucination om
bygninger og landskaber.
14:09
Around 1970, it was found that there were not only parts of the brain,
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Omkring 1970 fandt man ud af, at der ikke kun var specielle dele af hjernen [involverede],
14:13
but particular cells.
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men specielle celler.
14:15
"Face cells" were discovered around 1970.
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"Ansigtsceller" blev opdaget omkring 1970.
14:20
And now we know that there are hundreds of other sorts of cells,
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Og nu ved vi, at der er hundredvis af andre
slags celler,
14:24
which can be very, very specific.
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der kan være meget meget specifikke.
14:26
So you may not only have "car" cells, you may have "Aston Martin" cells.
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Så man kan ikke bare have
"bil"-celler,
man kan have "Aston Martin"-celler.
14:33
(Laughter)
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(Latter)
14:35
I saw an Aston Martin this morning. I had to bring it in.
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Jeg så en Aston Martin i morges.
Jeg var nødt til at have den med.
14:38
(Laughter)
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Og nu er den derinde et sted.
14:40
And now it's in there, somewhere.
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14:42
So --
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(Latter)
14:44
(Laughter)
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now, at this level, in what's called the inferotemporal cortex,
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Nå, på dette niveau i det, der kaldes den inferotemporale hjernebark,
er der kun visuelle billeder,
14:50
there are only visual images,
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14:52
or figments or fragments.
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eller hjernespind eller brudstykker.
14:55
It's only at higher levels that the other senses join in
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Det er først på højere niveauer,
at de andre sanser kommer med,
15:00
and there are connections with memory and emotion.
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og der er forbindelser med hukommelse og følelse.
Og med Charles Bonnets syndrom
15:03
And in the Charles Bonnet syndrome,
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15:04
you don't go to those higher levels.
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kommer man ikke op på disse højere niveauer.
15:07
You're in these levels of inferior visual cortex,
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Man er på disse niveauer af lavere visuel hjernebark,
15:10
where you have thousands and tens of thousands
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hvor man har tusindvis og titusindvis
15:12
and millions of images,
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og millioner af billeder,
15:15
or figments or fragmentary figments,
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eller hjernespind, eller brudstykker af billeder,
15:17
all neurally encoded in particular cells or small clusters of cells.
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alle kodet i nerver
især celler eller små bunker af celler.
15:23
Normally, these are all part of the integrated stream of perception,
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Normalt er alle disse del af
den integrerede strøm af opfattelse eller fantasi.
15:29
or imagination,
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15:30
and one is not conscious of them.
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Og man er dem ikke bevidst.
15:33
It is only if one is visually impaired or blind
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Det er kun, hvis man er synshæmmet eller blind,
15:37
that the process is interrupted.
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at processen afbrydes.
15:39
And instead of getting normal perception,
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Og i stedet for at få normal opfattelse,
15:42
you're getting an anarchic,
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får man en anarkisk,
15:44
convulsive stimulation, or release,
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krampagtig stimulans eller frigivelse
15:47
of all of these visual cells in the inferotemporal cortex.
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af alle disse visuelle celler
i den inferotemporale hjernebark.
15:51
So, suddenly, you see a face. Suddenly, you see a car.
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Så pludselig ser man et ansigt. Pludselig ser man en bil.
15:54
Suddenly this and suddenly that.
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Pludselig dit og pludselig dat.
15:57
The mind does its best to organize
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Sindet gør sit bedste for at organisere
15:59
and to give some sort of coherence to this,
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og give en form for sammenhæng i dette.
16:02
but not terribly successfully.
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Men ikke med stor succes.
16:04
When these were first described,
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Da disse først blev beskrevet,
16:06
it was thought that they could be interpreted like dreams.
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troede man, at de kunne fortolkes som drømme.
16:10
But, in fact, people say,
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Men faktisk siger folk,
16:12
"I don't recognize the people. I can't form any associations.
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"Jeg genkender ikke de folk. Jeg får ingen associationer."
"Kermit betyder intet for mig."
16:16
Kermit means nothing to me."
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16:18
You don't get anywhere, thinking of them as dreams.
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Man kommer ingen vegne ved at tænke på dem som drømme.
Nå, jeg har mere eller mindre sagt, hvad jeg ville.
16:24
Well, I've more or less said what I wanted.
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16:28
I think I just want to recapitulate and say this is common.
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Jeg tror, jeg bare vil sammenfatte
og sige, at det her er normalt.
16:33
Think of the number of blind people.
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Tænk på antallet af blinde
16:35
There must be hundreds of thousands of blind people
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Der må være hundredtusindvis af blinde,
16:37
who have these hallucinations
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der har disse hallucinationer,
16:39
but are too scared to mention them.
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men er for bange til at nævne dem.
16:41
So this sort of thing needs to be brought into notice,
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Så denne slags ting bør gøres opmærksom på
for patienter, for læger, for offentligheden.
16:47
for patients, for doctors, for the public.
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16:49
Finally, I think they are infinitely interesting and valuable,
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Endelig synes jeg, de er
uendeligt interessante og værdifulde
16:55
for giving one some insight as to how the brain works.
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til at give en noget indsigt i, hvordan hjernen virker.
16:59
Charles Bonnet said, 250 years ago --
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Charles Bonnet sagde for 250 år siden --
17:02
he wondered how, thinking of these hallucinations,
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han spekulerede på hvordan, imens han tænkte på disse hallucinationer,
17:06
how, as he put it, the theater of the mind
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hvordan, som han sagde det, sindets teater
17:09
could be generated by the machinery of the brain.
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kunne skabes af hjernens maskineri.
17:12
Now, 250 years later,
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Nu, 250 år senere,
17:15
I think we're beginning to glimpse how this is done.
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tror jeg vi begynder at se et glimt af, hvordan dette gøres.
17:18
Thanks very much.
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Mange tak.
17:19
(Applause)
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(Bifald)
17:22
Chris Anderson: That was superb. Thank you so much.
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Chris Anderson: Det var superbt. Mange gange tak.
17:25
You speak about these things with so much insight
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Du taler om disse ting med så stor indsigt
17:28
and empathy for your patients.
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og empati for dine patienter.
17:31
Have you yourself experienced any of the syndromes you write about?
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Har du selv oplevet nogen af syndromerne, du skriver om?
17:35
Oliver Sacks: I was afraid you would ask that.
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Oliver Sacks: Jeg frygtede, du ville spørge om det.
17:37
(Laughter)
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(Latter)
17:39
Well, yeah, a lot of them.
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Altså, jah, mange af dem.
17:42
And, actually, I'm a little visually impaired myself.
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Og faktisk er jeg en smule synshæmmet selv.
17:45
I'm blind in one eye and not terribly good in the other.
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Jeg er blind på det ene øje, og det andet er ikke frygteligt godt.
17:48
And I see the geometrical hallucinations.
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Og jeg ser de geometriske hallucinationer.
17:52
But they stop there.
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Men de stopper der.
17:53
CA: And they don't disturb you?
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C.A.: Og de forstyrrer dig ikke?
17:55
Because you understand what's doing it, it doesn't make you worried?
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Fordi du forstår, hvad der forårsager det. Det gør dig ikke bekymret?
O.S.: Altså de forstyrrer mig ikke mere end min tinnitus.
17:59
OS: Well, they don't disturb me any more than my tinnitus,
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18:02
which I ignore.
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Som jeg ignorerer.
18:05
They occasionally interest me,
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De interesserer mig til tider.
18:07
and I have many pictures of them in my notebooks.
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Og jeg har mange billeder af dem i mine notesbøger.
18:10
I've gone and had an fMRI myself,
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Jeg har selv fået en FMRI
18:13
to see how my visual cortex is ticking over.
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for at se, hvordan min visuelle hjernebark tager over.
18:16
And when I see all these hexagons
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Og når jeg ser alle disse hexagoner
18:20
and complex things, which I also have,
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og komplekse ting, som jeg også ser
18:22
in visual migraine,
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under visuel migræne,
18:24
I wonder whether everyone sees things like this
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tænker jeg på, hvorvidt alle ser sådanne ting,
18:26
and whether things like cave art or ornamental art
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og hvorvidt ting som hulekunst eller ornamentkunst
18:29
may have been derived from them a bit.
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kan være afledt af dem en smule.
18:32
CA: That was an utterly, utterly fascinating talk.
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C.A.: Det var en yderst fascinerede snak.
18:34
Thank you so much for sharing.
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Mange gange tak for at dele den.
18:36
OS: Thank you. Thank you.
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O.S.: Tak. Tak.
18:38
(Applause)
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(Bifald)
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