Homeopathy, quackery and fraud | James Randi | TED

Prevodilac: Slavko Despotović Lektor: Ivana Korom

Good morning.

Dobro jutro.

Happy to see so many fine folks out here

Drago mi je da vidim toliko finih ljudi ovde

and so many smiling faces.

i toliko nasmejanih lica.

I have a very peculiar

Ja imam veoma svojstvenu

background, attitude and approach

prošlost, stav i pristup

to the real world

stvarnom svetu

because I am a conjurer.

zato što sam opsenar.

Now, I prefer that term over magician,

Radije koristim taj termin nego ''mađioničar''

because if I were a magician, that would mean

jer, kada bih bio mađioničar, to bi značilo

that I use spells and incantations

da koristim čini i čarobne reči

and weird gestures

i čudne pokrete

in order to accomplish real magic.

kako bih postigao pravu magiju.

No, I don't do that; I'm a conjurer,

Ne, ja ne radim to; Ja sam opsenar,

who is someone who pretends to be

odnosno neko ko se pretvara da je

a real magician. (Laughter)

pravi mađioničar.

Now, how do we go about that sort of thing?

Dakle, kako to radimo?

We depend on the fact

Oslanjamo se na činjenicu

that audiences, such as yourselves,

da publika, kao što ste vi,

will make assumptions.

donosi pretpostavke.

For example, when I walked up here

Na primer, kada sam izašao ovde,

and I took the microphone from the stand

i uzeo mikrofon sa postolja

and switched it on,

i uključio ga,

you assumed this was a microphone, which it is not.

vi ste pretpostavili da je to mikrofon, a nije.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

As a matter of fact, this is something

U stvari, ovo je nešto

that about half of you, more than half of you will not be familiar with.

sa čim otprilike polovina vas, više od polovine vas nije upoznato.

It's a beard trimmer, you see?

Ovo je trimer za bradu, vidite.

And it makes a very bad microphone;

I vrlo je loš mikrofon

I've tried it many times. (Laughter)

Isprobao sam ga mnogo puta.

The other assumption that you made --

Druga pretpostavka koju ste doneli --

and this little lesson is to show you

a ova mala lekcija služi da vam pokaže

that you will make assumptions.

da ćete donositi pretpostavke --

Not only that you can, but that you will

ne samo da možete, već da i hoćete --

when they are properly suggested to you.

kada vam se nametnu na pravi način.

You believe I'm looking at you.

Vi verujete da ja gledam u vas.

Wrong. I'm not looking at you. I can't see you.

Pogrešno. Ne gledam u vas. Ne mogu da vas vidim.

I know you're out there, they told me backstage, it's a full house and such.

Znam da ste tu, rekli su mi iza bine, sala je puna i tako to.

I know you're there because I can hear you,

Znam da ste tu jer mogu da vas čujem,

but I can't see you because I normally wear glasses.

ali ne mogu da vas vidim jer obično nosim naočare.

These are not glasses, these are empty frames. (Laughter)

Ovo nisu naočare ovo su prazni okviri,

Quite empty frames.

sasvim prazni okviri.

Now why would a grown man appear before you

Dakle, zašto bi odrastao čovek izašao pred vas

wearing empty frames on his face?

noseći prazne okvire na licu?

To fool you, ladies and gentlemen,

Da vas prevari, dame i gospodo,

to deceive you, to show that you, too,

da vas obmane, da vam pokaže da ćete i vi

can make assumptions.

donositi pretpostavke.

Don't you ever forget that.

Nemojte to nikada zaboraviti.

Now, I have to do something -- first of all, switch to real glasses

Sada, moram da uradim nešto, kao prvo, da uzmem prave naočare,

so I can actually see you,

da bih zapravo mogao da vas vidim,

which would probably be a convenience. I don't know.

što će mi verovatno biti olakšavajuća okolnost. Ne znam.

I haven't had a good look. Well, it's not that great a convenience.

Nisam ni dobro pogledao. Pa, i nije naročito olakšavajuća.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

I have to do something now, which seems

Sada moram da uradim nešto, što je možda

a little bit strange for a magician.

pomalo neobično za mađioničara.

But I'm going to take some medication.

Ali uzeću neke lekove.

This is a full bottle of

Ovo je puna bočica

Calms Forte.

"Kalms Fortea".

I'll explain that in just a moment.

Objasniću to za trenutak.

Ignore the instructions,

Ignorišite uputstva.

that's what the government has to put in there

To je ono što vlada mora da stavi unutra

to confuse you, I'm sure.

da vas zbuni, siguran sam.

I will take enough of these. Mm.

Uzeću dosta ovih.

Indeed, the whole container.

U stvari, celu bočicu.

Thirty-two tablets of Calms Forte.

32 tablete Kalms Fortea.

Now that I've done that -- I'll explain it in a moment --

Sada kada sam to uradio -- Objasniću to za trenutak --

I must tell you that

Moram vam reći da

I am an actor.

sam ja glumac.

I'm an actor who plays a specific part.

Ja sam glumac koji igra određenu ulogu

I play the part of a magician,

Igram ulogu mađioničara,

a wizard, if you will, a real wizard.

čarobnjaka, ako hoćete, pravog čarobnjaka.

If someone were to appear on this stage in front of me

Kada bi se neko pojavio na ovoj bini ispred mene

and actually claim to be

i tvrdio da je zapravo

an ancient prince of Denmark named Hamlet,

drevni danski princ Hamlet,

you would be insulted

bili biste uvređeni

and rightly so.

i to s pravom.

Why would a man assume that you would believe

Zašto bi neko pretpostavio da biste poverovali

something bizarre like this?

u nešto tako bizarno?

But there exists out there

Ali u svetu postoji

a very large population

veoma velika populacija

of people who will tell you

ljudi koji će vam reći

that they have psychic, magical powers

da imaju vidovnjačke, magične moći,

that they can predict the future,

da mogu da predvide budućnost,

that they can make contact with the deceased.

da mogu da uspostave kontakt sa mrtvima.

Oh, they also say

O, i takođe kažu,

they will sell you astrology

prodaće vam astrologiju

or other fortunetelling methods.

i druge metode za proricanje sudbine.

Oh, they gladly sell you that, yes.

To će vam rado prodati. Da.

And they also say

I takođe kažu

that they can give you perpetual motion machines

da vam mogu dati perpetuum mobile

and free energy systems.

i sisteme besplatne energije.

They claim to be psychics,

Tvrde da su vidovnjaci,

or sensitives, whatever they can.

ili magovi, šta god mogu.

But the one thing that has made a big comeback

Ali jedna stvar koja se uveliko vraća

just recently

tek odnedavno,

is this business of

je ova stvar sa

speaking with the dead.

razgovorom sa mrtvima.

Now, to my innocent mind,

Sada, mom nevinom umu,

dead implies

smrt podrazumeva

incapable of communicating. (Laughter)

nemogućnost komunikacije.

You might agree with me on that.

Možda ćete se složiti sa mnom u tome.

But these people, they tend to tell you that

Ali ovi ljudi, oni će vam reći,

not only can they communicate with the dead --

ne samo da mogu da komuniciraju sa mrtvima --

"Hi, there" --

Zdravo --

but they can hear the dead as well,

već i da mogu da čuju mrtve,

and they can relay this information back to the living.

i da mogu da prenose informacije živima.

I wonder if that's true.

Pitam se da li je to istina.

I don't think so, because

Mislim da nije jer,

this subculture of people

ljudi u ovoj subkulturi

use exactly the same gimmicks that we magicians do,

koriste potpuno iste trikove kao i mi mađioničari,

exactly the same --

poptpuno iste,

the same physical methods, the same psychological methods --

iste fizičke metode, iste psihološke metode.

and they effectively and profoundly

I uspešno i lukavo

deceive millions of people around the earth,

su obmanuli milione ljudi širom planete.

to their detriment.

na njihovu štetu.

They deceive these people,

Obmanjuju te ljude.

costs them a lot of money,

To ih košta mnogo novca.

cost them a lot of emotional anguish.

Košta ih dosta duševnog bola.

Billions of dollars are spent

Milijarde dolara se troše

every year, all over the globe,

svake godine, svuda šitom sveta,

on these charlatans.

na ove šarlatane.

Now, I have two questions

Dakle, ja imam dva pitanja

I would like to ask these people

koja bih hteo da postavim tim ljudima

if I had the opportunity to do so.

kada bih imao priliku za to.

First question: If I want to ask them to call up --

Prvo pitanje: Ako hoću da ih pitam da prizovu --

because they do hear them through the ear.

jer ih stvarno čuju ušima.

They listen to the spirits like this --

Slušaju duhove na taj način.

I'm going to ask you to call up the ghost of my grandmother

Pitaću vas da prizovete duh moje babe

because, when she died, she had the family will,

jer, kada je umrla, kod nje je bio testament,

and she secreted it someplace. We don't know where it is,

i sakrlia ga je negde. Ne znamo gde je.

so we ask Granny, "Where is the will, Granny?"

I tako pitamo baku, ''Gde je testament, Bako?''

What does Granny say? She says, "I'm in heaven and it's wonderful.

Šta baka kaže? Kaže, '' U raju sam i divno je.

I'm here with all my old friends, my deceased friends,

Ovde sam sa svim starim prijateljima, mojim preminulim prijateljima,

and my family

i mojom porodicom,

and all the puppy dogs and the kittens that I used to have when I was a little girl.

i svim kucama i macama koje sam imala kad sam bila mala.

And I love you, and I'll always be with you.

I volim vas, i uvek ću biti sa vama.

Good bye."

Zbogom.''

And she didn't answer the damn question!

I nije odgovorila na prokleto pitanje.

Where is the will?

Gde je testament?

Now, she could easily have said,

Mogla je lagano da kaže,

"Oh, it's in the library on the second shelf, behind the encyclopedia,"

''Oh, u biblioteci je na drugoj polici, iza enciklopedije.''

but she doesn't say that. No, she doesn't.

Ali to ne kaže. Ne, ne kaže.

She doesn't bring any useful information to us.

Ne daje nam nikakve korisne informacije.

We paid a lot of money for that information,

Platili smo dosta novca za tu informaciju,

be we didn't get it.

ali je nismo dobili.

The second question that I'd like to ask, rather simple:

Drugo pitanje koje bih hteo da postavim, prilično je jednostavno.

Suppose I ask them to contact

Recimo da ih pitam da stupe u kontakt

the spirit of my deceased father-in-law, as an example.

sa duhom mog preminulog tasta, na primer.

Why do they insist on saying --

Zašto uporno govore --

remember, they speak into this ear --

setite se, oni mu pričaju u uvo --

why do they say, "My name starts with J or M?"

zašto kažu, '' Moje ime počinje sa Dž ili M?''

Is this a hunting game?

Da li je to igra nagađanja?

Hunting and fishing? What is it?

Nagađanja i pogađanja? Šta je?

Is it 20 questions? No, it's more like 120 questions.

Da li je to 20 pitanja? Ne, pre će biti 120 pitanja.

But it is a cruel, vicious,

Ali to je okrutna, opaka,

absolutely conscienceless --

potpuno nesavesna --

I'll be all right, keep your seats (Laughter) --

Biću dobro, nemojte ustajati --

game that these people play.

igra koju ti ljudi igraju.

And they take advantage of the innocent, the naive,

I iskorišćavaju nevine, naivne,

the grieving, the needy people out there.

ožalošćene, siromašne ljude u svetu.

Now, this is a process

Dakle, to je proces

that is called cold reading.

koji se zove hladno čitanje.

There's one fellow out there,

Ima jedan momak,

Van Praagh is his name, James Van Praagh.

zove se Van Prag, Džejms Van Prag.

He's one of the big practitioners of this sort of thing.

On je jedan od velikih praktikanata ove stvari.

John Edward, Sylvia Browne

Džon Edvard, Silvija Braun

and Rosemary Altea, they are other operators.

i Rouzmeri Altia, oni su neki od drugih.

There are hundreds of them all over the earth, but in this country,

Ima ih na stotine širom planete, ali u ovoj zemlji

James Van Praagh is very big.

Džejms Van Prag je jako poznat.

And what does he do? He likes to tell you

I šta on radi? On voli da vam priča

how the deceased got deceased,

kako su preminuli postali preminuli,

the people he's talking to through his ear, you see?

odnosno ljudi koje čuje ušima.

So what he says is, very often, is like this: he says,

I ono što vrlo često kaže je ovo,

"He tells me, he tells me, before he passed,

''Kaže mi, kaže mi, da je pre smrti,

that he had trouble breathing."

imao problema sa disanjem.''

Folks, that's what dying is all about!

Narode, to je poenta umiranja.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

You stop breathing, and then you're dead.

Prestanete da dišete, i onda ste mrtvi.

It's that simple.

Sasvim jednostavno.

And that's the kind of information they're going to bring back to you?

I takve će vam informacije prenosti?

I don't think so.

Ne bih rekao.

Now, these people will make guesses, they'll say things like,

E sada, ti ljudi će nagađati, reći će na primer,

"Why am I getting electricity?

''Zašto čujem nešto o struji?

He's saying to me, 'Electricity.'

Govori mi, 'Struja.'

Was he an electrician?" "No."

Da li je bio električar?'' Ne.

"Did he ever have an electric razor?" "No."

''Da li je ikada imao brijač na struju?'' Ne.

It was a game of hunting questions like this.

To je igra pogađanja sa ovakvim pitanjima.

This is what they go through.

To je ono što oni rade.

Now, folks often ask us

Ljudi nas često pitaju,

at the James Randi Educational Foundation,

u Fondaciji za obrazovanje Džejms Rendi,

they call me, they say, "Why are you so concerned about this, Mr. Randi?

pozovu me, i kažu, ''Zašto se toliko brinete oko toga, gospodine Rendi?

Isn't it just a lot of fun?"

Nije li to sve jako zabavno?''

No, it is not fun. It is a cruel farce.

Ne, nije zabavno. To je okrutna farsa.

Now, it may bring a certain amount of comfort,

Možda će vam dati izvesnu utehu,

but that comfort lasts

ali ta uteha traje

only about 20 minutes or so.

samo oko 20-ak minuta.

And then the people look in the mirror, and they say,

I onda ljudi pogledaju u ogledalo, i kažu,

I just paid a lot of money for that reading.

Upravo sam platio puno novca za to čitanje.

And what did she say to me? 'I love you!'"

I šta mi je rekla? 'Volim te!'''

They always say that.

Uvek to kažu.

They don't get any information,

Ne dobijaju nikakve informacije,

they don't get any value for what they spend.

nikakvu vrednost za ono što potroše.

Now, Sylvia Browne is the big operator.

Silvija Braun je krupna riba.

We call her "The Talons."

Zovemo je ''Kandža.''

Sylvia Browne -- thank you --

Silvija Braun -- hvala --

Sylvia Browne is the big operator

Silvija Braun je krupna riba

in this field at this very moment.

u ovom poslu trenutno.

Now, Sylvia Browne -- just to show you --

Silvija Braun -- čisto da znate --

she actually gets 700 dollars

zaradi 700 dolara

for a 20 minute reading over the telephone,

za čitanje od 20 minuta preko telefona.

she doesn't even go there in person,

Ne mora ni da bude tu lično.

and you have to wait up to two years because

I morate da čekate do dve godine jer

she's booked ahead that amount of time.

je rezervisana unapred u tom periodu.

You pay by credit card or whatever,

Plaćate kreditnom karticom, ili kako već,

and then she will call you

i onda će vas ona zvati

sometime in the next two years.

nekada u naredne dve godine.

You can tell it's her. "Hello, this is Sylvia Browne."

Znate da je ona. ''Zdravo, ovde Silvija Braun.''

That's her, you can tell right away.

To je ona. Odmah možete da pogodite.

Now, Montel Williams is an intelligent man.

E sada, Montel Vilijams je inteligentan čovek.

We all know who he is on television.

Svi znamo ko je on na televiziji.

He's well educated, he's smart,

Obrazovan je. Pametan.

he knows what Sylvia Browne is doing

On zna da je to što Silvija Braun radi pogrešno,

but he doesn't give a damn.

ali ga je briga za to.

He just doesn't care.

Jednostavno ne mari.

Because, the bottom line is, the sponsors love it,

Jer, na kraju, sponzorima se to dopada,

and he will expose her

i on će je stalno razotkrivati

to television publicity all the time.

televizijskoj publici.

Now, what does Sylvia Browne give you for that 700 dollars?

Dakle, šta vam Silvija Braun daje za tih 700 dolara?

She gives you the names of your guardian angels, that's first.

Daje vam ime vašeg anđela čuvara, kao prvo.

Now, without that, how could we possibly function? (Laughter)

Bez toga, kako bismo živeli?

She gives you the names of previous lives,

Daje vam imena prethodnih života,

who you were in previous lives.

ko ste bili u prethodnom životu.

Duh.

Ma da.

It turns out that the women

Izgleda da su sve žene

that she gives readings for

kojima je čitala

were all Babylonian princesses, or something like that.

bile vavilonske princeze, ili tako nešto.

And the men were all Grecian warriors

I svi muškarci su bili grčki ratnici,

fighting with Agamemnon.

koji su se borili sa Agamemnonom.

Nothing is ever said about

Nikada nema

a 14 year-old bootblack in the streets of London

četrnaestogodišnjeg čistača cipela sa ulica Londona,

who died of consumption.

koji je umro od tuberkuloze.

He isn't worth bringing back, obviously.

On očigledno nije vredan pomena.

And the strange thing -- folks, you may have noticed this too.

I još jedna čudna stvar narode -- možda ste i to primetili --

You see these folks on television --

gledate te ljude na televiziji --

they never call anybody back from hell. (Laughter)

i nikada ne prizovu nikog iz pakla.

Everyone comes back from heaven, but never from hell.

Svi se vraćaju iz raja, ali nikada iz pakla.

If they call back any of my friends,

Kada bi prizvali nekog mog prijatelja,

they're not going to... Well, you see the story.

neće ih... Pa shvatate šta hoću da kažem.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

Now, Sylvia Browne is an exception,

E sada, Silvija Braun je izuzetak,

an exception in one way,

izuzetak zbog jedne stvari,

because the James Randi Educational Foundation, my foundation,

jer Fondacija za obrazovanje Džejms Rendi, moja fondacija,

offers a one million dollar prize in negotiable bonds.

nudi nagradu od milion dolara putem obveznica.

Very simply won.

Nagrada se lako dobija.

All you have to do is prove any paranormal, occult

Potrebno je samo da, pod prikladnim uslovima za posmatranje,

or supernatural event or power of any kind

dokažete neki paranormalni, okultni,

under proper observing conditions.

ili natprirodni događaj bilo kakve prirode.

It's very easy, win the million dollars.

Vrlo je lako, osvojite milion dolara!

Sylvia Browne is an exception in that

Silvija Braun je izuzetak po tome

she's the only professional psychic

što je ona jedini profesionalni vidovnjak

in the whole world

iz celog sveta

that has accepted our challenge.

koji je prihvatio naš izazov.

She did this on the "Larry King Live" show on CNN

Uradila je to u emisiji Larija Kinga na CNN-u

six and a half years ago.

pre šest i po godina.

And we haven't heard from her since. Strange.

I od tada nam se nije javljala. Čudno.

She said that, first of all, that she didn't know how to contact me.

Rekla je, kao prvo, da nije znala kako da kontaktira sa mnom.

Duh.

Ma da.

A professional psychic who speaks to dead people,

Profesionalni vidovnjak koji razgovara sa mrtvima,

she can't reach me?

ne može mene da nađe?

(Laughter)

(smeh)

I'm alive, you may have noticed.

Živ sam, možda ste primetili.

Well, pretty well anyway.

Zdrav, prilično zdrav u svakom slučaju.

She couldn't reach me. Now she says she doesn't want to reach me

Nije mogla da kontaktira sa mnom. Sada kaže da neće da kontaktira sa mnom.

because I'm a godless person.

jer sam bezbožnik.

All the more reason to take the million dollars,

Još veći razlog da uzmeš milion dolara,

wouldn't you think, Sylvia?

zar ne, Silvija.

Now these people need to be stopped, seriously now.

Te ljude treba zaustaviti, sada sam ozbiljan.

They need to be stopped because this is a cruel farce.

Treba ih zaustaviti jer ovo je okrutna farsa.

We get people coming to the foundation all the time.

Ljudi nam stalno dolaze u fondaciju.

They're ruined financially and emotionally

Uništeni su i finansijski i emocionalno

because they've given their money and their faith

jer su poverili svoj novac i veru

to these people.

tim ljudima.

Now, I popped some pills earlier.

Ja sam popio neke pilule ranije,

I have to explain that to you.

Moram to da vam objasnim.

Homeopathy, let's find out what that's all about.

Homeopatija, hajde da saznamo o čemu se tu radi.

Hmm. You've heard of it.

Hmm. Čuli ste za to.

It's an alternative form of healing, right?

To je alternativni način lečenja.

Homeopathy actually consists -- and that's what this is.

Homeopatija se zapravo sastoji -- a to je ovo.

This is Calms Forte,

Ovo je "Kalms Forte",

32 caplets of sleeping pills! I forgot to tell you that.

32 tablete za spavanje -- zaboravio sam to da vam kažem.

I just ingested

Upravo sam popio

six and a half days worth of sleeping pills.

dozu tableta za spavanje dovoljnu za šest i po dana.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

Six and a half days, that certainly is a fatal dose.

Šest i po dana, to je sigunro smrtonosna doza.

It says right on the back here,

Piše ovde pozadi,

"In case of overdose,

''U slučaju predoziranja,

contact your poison control center immediately,"

odmah pozovite centar za kontrolu trovanja,''

and it gives an 800 number.

i dat je broj telefona.

Keep your seats -- it's going to be okay.

Nemojte ustajati. Biću dobro.

I don't really need it

Nisu mi zapravo potrebni

because I've been doing this stunt

zato što radim ovaj trik

for audiences all over the world

za publike širom sveta

for the last eight or 10 years,

zadnjih osam ili deset godina,

taking fatal doses of homeopathic sleeping pills.

uzimam smrtonosne doze homeopatskih tableta za spavanje.

Why don't they affect me?

Zašto ne utiču na mene?

(Laughter)

(smeh)

(Applause)

(aplauz)

The answer may surprise you.

Odgovor će vas možda iznenaditi.

What is homeopathy?

Šta je homeopatija?

It's taking a medicine that really works

To je kada uzmete lek koji stvarno deluje

and diluting it down

i razredite ga

well beyond Avogadro's limit.

mnogo više od Avogadrove granice.

Diluting it down to the point

Razredite ga dok

where there's none of it left. (Laughter)

ništa od njega ne ostane.

Now folks, this is not

Narode, ovo što ću vam reći

just a metaphor I'm going to give you now, it's true.

nije samo metafora, istina je.

It's exactly equivalent to taking

To je potpuno isto kao da ste uzeli

one 325 milligram aspirin tablet,

jednu tabletu aspirina od 325 miligrama,

throwing it into the middle of Lake Tahoe,

bacili je u sred jezera Taho,

and then stirring it up, obviously with a very big stick,

i onda promešali, naravno, jako velikim štapom,

and waiting two years or so

i čekali oko dve godine

until the solution is homogeneous.

dok rastvor ne postane homogen.

Then, when you get a headache,

Onda, kada imate glavobolju,

you take a sip of this water, and -- voila! -- it is gone.

uzmete gutljaj te vode, i eto! Nestala je.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

Now that is true. That is what homeopathy is all about.

To je istina. To je suština homeopatije.

And another claim that they make -- you'll love this one --

Ima još jedna stvar koju govore -- ovo će vam se svideti --

the more dilute the medicine is, they say,

što je lek razređeniji, kažu,

the more powerful it is.

to je moćniji.

Now wait a minute, we heard about a guy in Florida.

Čekajte malo, čuli smo za jednog tipa u Floridi.

The poor man, he was on homeopathic medicine.

Siroti čovek, uzimao je homeopatske lekove.

He died of an overdose.

Umro je od predoziranja.

He forgot to take his pill.

Zaboravio je da popije lek.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Work on it. Work on it.

Razmislite o tome. Razmislite.

It's a ridiculous thing. It is absolutely ridiculous.

To je besmisleno. Potpuno besmisleno.

I don't know what we're doing,

Ne znam zašto,

believing in all this nonsense over all these years.

verujemo u sve te gluposti svih ovih godina.

Now, let me tell you,

E sad, da vam kažem,

The James Randi Educational Foundation

Fondacija za obrazovanje Džejms Rendij

is waving this very big carrot,

maše sa ovom velikom nagradom,

but I must say, the fact that nobody

ali moram reći, da to što niko

has taken us up on this offer

nije pristao na ovu ponudu

doesn't mean that the powers don't exist.

ne znači da te moći ne postoje.

They might, some place out there.

Možda postoje, negde u svetu.

Maybe these people are just independently wealthy.

Možda su ovi ljudi samo veoma bogati.

Well, with Sylvia Browne I would think so.

Pa, na osnovu Silivije Braun, rekao bih da je tako.

You know, 700 dollars for a 20 minute reading

Znate, 700 dolara za čitanje od 20 minuta

over the telephone --

preko telefona,

that's more than lawyers make!

to je više nego što advokati zarađuju.

I mean that's a fabulous amount of money.

Hoću da kažem da je to ogromna količina novca.

These people don't need the million dollars perhaps,

Možda tim ljudima ne treba milion dolara,

but wouldn't you think they'd like to take it

ali zar ne mislite da bi hteli da ih uzmu

just to make me look silly?

samo da bi od mene napravili budalu,

Just to get rid of this godless person out there

samo da se reše tog bezbožnika

that Sylvia Browne talks about all the time?

o kojem Silvija Braun stalno priča?

I think that something needs to be done about this.

Mislim da nešto mora da se preduzme u vezi sa ovim.

We really would love to have suggestions from you folks

Zaista bismo voleli da čujemo vaše predloge

on how to contact federal, state

kako da kontaktiramo sa federalnim, državnim

and local authorities

i lokalnim vlastima

to get them to do something.

i nateramo ih da nešto preduzmu.

If you find out -- now I understand.

Ako saznate -- sada mi je jasno --

We've seen people, even today, speaking to us

ljudi nam, čak i danas, govore o

about AIDS epidemics

epidemiji SIDE

and starving kids around the world

i deci koja gladuju širom sveta

and impure water supplies that people have to suffer with.

i zagađenim zalihama vode sa kojima se ljudi muče.

Those are very important,

Te stvari su nam veoma bitne,

critically important to us.

one su od ključne važnosti.

And we must do something about those problems.

I moramo nešto preduzeti u vezi sa tim problemima.

But at the same time,

Ali u isto vreme...

as Arthur C. Clarke said,

Kao što je Artur C. Klark govorio, znate,

The rotting of the human mind,

''Propadanje ljudskog uma.''

the business of believing in the paranormal and the occult

Verovanje u paranormalno i okultno

and the supernatural --

i natprirodno,

all of this total nonsense,

sve te potpune gluposti,

this medieval thinking --

to srednjovekovno razmišljanje,

I think something should be done about that,

Mislim da nešto treba da se uradi povodom toga,

and it all lies in education.

i sve zavisi od obrazovanja.

Largely, it's the media

Mediji su, uglavnom,

who are to blame for this sort of thing.

krivi za ove stvari.

They shamelessly promote

Oni besramno promovišu

all kinds of nonsense of this sort

svakakve gluposti ove vrste

because it pleases the sponsors.

zato što su sponzori zadovoljni.

It's the bottom line, the dollar line.

Na to se svodi, na novac.

That's what they're looking at.

To je ono što je njima bitno.

We really must do something about this.

Zaista moramo uraditi nešto povodom ovoga.

I'm willing to take your suggestions,

Rado ću prihvatiti vaše predloge,

and I'm willing to have you

i voleo bih da se prijavite

tune in to our webpage.

na našu internet stranicu.

It's www.randi.org.

www.randi.org.

Go in there and look at the archives,

Idite tamo i pogledajte arhive,

and you will begin to understand much more

i shvatićete mnogo više

of what I've been talking about today.

o svemu što sam danas pričao.

You will see the records that we have.

Videćete kakve sve zapise imamo.

There's nothing like sitting in that library

Ništa nije lepše nego kada nam se u biblioteci

and having a family appear there

pojavi porodica

and say that Mum gave away all the family fortune.

koja kaže kako je mama dala celo porodično bogatstvo.

She cashed in the CDs,

Kupila je sve diskove,

she gave away the stocks and the certificates.

dala je sve akcije i njihove sertifikate.

That's really sad to hear,

Zaista je tužno slušati to,

and it hasn't helped them one bit,

i sve to im nimalo nije pomoglo,

hasn't solved any of their problems.

nije im rešilo nijedan problem.

Yes, there could be a rotting of the American mind,

Da, američki um će možda zaista propasti

and of the minds all the way around the earth,

kao i svi umovi širom sveta

if we don't start to think sensibly about these things.

ako ne počnemo razumno da razmišljamo o ovim stvarima.

Now, we've offered this carrot,

Dakle, ponudili smo ovu nagradu,

as I say, we've dangled the carrot.

kao što kažem, mašemo sa njom.

We're waiting for the psychics to come forth and snap at it.

Čekamo vidovnjake da dođu i da je uzmu.

Oh, we get lots of them,

Mnogo njih dolazi,

hundreds of them every year come by.

stotine njih dođe svake godine.

These are dowsers and people

To su lovci na blago i ljudi

who think that they can talk to the dead as well,

koji takođe misle da mogu da pričaju sa mrtvima,

but they're amateurs; they don't know how to evaluate

ali to su amateri, ne znaju kako da ocene

their own so-called powers.

sopstvene takozvane moći.

The professionals never come near us,

Profesionalci nam se nikada ne približavaju,

except in that case of Sylvia Browne

osim onog slučaja sa Silvijom Braun.

that I told you about a moment ago.

o kojem sam vam malopre pričao.

She did accept and then backed away.

Ona je pristala i onda se povukla.

Ladies and gentlemen,

Dame i gospodo,

I'm James Randi,

ja sam Džejms Rendi,

and I'm waiting.

i ja čekam.

Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(aplauz)