Elliot Krane: The mystery of chronic pain

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Prevodilac: Nikola Ubavic Lektor: Ivana Korom
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I'm a pediatrician and an anesthesiologist,
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Ja sam pedijatar i anesteziolog,
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so I put children to sleep for a living.
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dakle ja uspavljujem decu da bih zaradio.
00:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:21
And I'm an academic, so I put audiences to sleep for free.
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Ja sam i akademik, dakle ja uspavljujem publiku besplatno
00:24
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:28
But what I actually mostly do
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Ali ono čime se najviše bavim
00:30
is I manage the pain management service
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je rukovođenje službe za upravljanje bolom
00:32
at the Packard Children's Hospital up at Stanford in Palo Alto.
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u dečijoj Packard bolnici na Stenfordu u Palo Altu.
00:35
And it's from the experience
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Iz iskustva dugog
00:37
from about 20 or 25 years of doing that
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20 ili 25 godina, koliko se već time bavim
00:39
that I want to bring to you the message this morning,
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ovog jutra želim vam preneti poruku
00:41
that pain is a disease.
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da je bol bolest.
00:43
Now most of the time,
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Većinom vremena,
00:45
you think of pain as a symptom of a disease,
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razmišljate o bolu kao o simptompu oboljenja.
00:47
and that's true most of the time.
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I to je tačno većinom vremena.
00:49
It's the symptom of a tumor or an infection
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Bol je simptom tumora ili infekcije
00:52
or an inflammation or an operation.
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ili upale ili operacije.
00:54
But about 10 percent of the time,
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Ali oko 10 posto vremena
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after the patient has recovered from one of those events,
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nakon što se pacijent oporavio od ovih događaja,
01:00
pain persists.
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bol ne popušta.
01:02
It persists for months
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Ostaje mesecima,
01:04
and oftentimes for years,
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a često i godinama
01:06
and when that happens,
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I kad se to dogodi,
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it is its own disease.
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bol postaje posebna bolest.
01:10
And before I tell you about how it is that we think that happens
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I pre nego što vam kazem kako mi mislimo da se to događa
01:13
and what we can do about it,
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i šta mi radimo povodom toga,
01:15
I want to show you how it feels for my patients.
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želim da vam pokažem kako to moji pacijenti osećaju.
01:18
So imagine, if you will,
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Zamislite sada, ako želite
01:20
that I'm stroking your arm with this feather,
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da ja dodirujem vašu ruku ovim perom,
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as I'm stroking my arm right now.
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kao što diram svoju.
01:25
Now, I want you to imagine
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Sada, želim da zamislite
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that I'm stroking it with this.
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da vas dodirujem sa ovim.
01:29
Please keep your seat.
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Molim vas ostanite na svojim mestima.
01:31
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:33
A very different feeling.
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Veoma različit osećaj.
01:35
Now what does it have to do with chronic pain?
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Kakve to veze ima sa hroničnim bolom?
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Imagine, if you will, these two ideas together.
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Zamislite, ako želite, ove dve ideje zajedno.
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Imagine what your life would be like
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Zamislite kakav bi vam život bio
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if I were to stroke it with this feather,
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ako bih vas ja dodirnuo ovim perom,
01:45
but your brain was telling you
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ali vaš mozak bi vam govorio
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that this is what you are feeling --
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da je ovo ono što vi osećate
01:49
and that is the experience of my patients with chronic pain.
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i to je iskustvo pacijeta sa hroničnim bolom.
01:52
In fact, imagine something even worse.
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Ustvari, zamislite nešto još gore.
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Imagine I were to stroke your child's arm with this feather,
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Zamislite da sam dodirnuo vaše dete ovim perom,
01:57
and their brain [was] telling them
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i njihov mozak bi im govorio
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that they were feeling this hot torch.
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da osete ovaj vreo gorionik.
02:02
That was the experience of my patient, Chandler,
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Ovo je iskustvo moje pacijentkinje Čendler,
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whom you see in the photograph.
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koju vidite na fotografiji.
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As you can see, she's a beautiful, young woman.
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I kao što vidite ona je prelepa mlada devojka.
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She was 16 years old last year when I met her,
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Imala je 16 godina prošle godine kad sam je upoznao,
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and she aspired to be a professional dancer.
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i želela je da postane profesionalna plesačica.
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And during the course of one of her dance rehearsals,
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I tokom jedne plesne probe,
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she fell on her outstretched arm and sprained her wrist.
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pala je na ispruženu ruku i uganula zglob.
02:18
Now you would probably imagine, as she did,
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Sad vi verovatno razmišljate, kao što je ona,
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that a wrist sprain is a trivial event
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da je uganuće zgloba beznačajan događaj
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in a person's life.
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u životu osobe.
02:24
Wrap it in an ACE bandage,
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Zavijete ga sa elastičnim zavojem,
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take some ibuprofen for a week or two,
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uzimate brufen nedelju ili dve dana,
02:28
and that's the end of the story.
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i to je kraj priče.
02:30
But in Chandler's case, that was the beginning of the story.
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Ali kod Čendler, to je bio početak priče.
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This is what her arm looked like
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Ovo je izgled njene ruke kada
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when she came to my clinic about three months after her sprain.
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je došla u moju kliniku posle tri meseca od uganuća.
02:39
You can see that the arm is discolored,
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Možete videti da je ruka promenila boju,
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purplish in color.
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postala je ljubičasta.
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It was cadaverically cold to the touch.
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Bila je mrtvački hladna na dodir.
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The muscles were frozen, paralyzed --
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Mišići su bili smrznuti, paralizovani --
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dystonic is how we refer to that.
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mi to nazivamo diatonija.
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The pain had spread from her wrist to her hands,
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Bol se širio od njenog zgloba prema njenom dlanu,
02:53
to her fingertips, from her wrist up to her elbow,
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do njenih prstiju, od zgloba ka njenom laktu,
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almost all the way to her shoulder.
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skoro do njenog ramena.
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But the worst part was,
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Ali najgori deo je bio,
03:00
not the spontaneous pain that was there 24 hours a day.
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ne njen spontani bol koji je trajao 24 časa dnevno.
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The worst part was that she had allodynia,
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Najgori deo je bio to što je ona imala alodiniju,
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the medical term for the phenomenon that I just illustrated
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medicinski naziv za fenomen koji sam vam malopre pokazao
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with the feather and with the torch.
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sa perom i gorionikom.
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The lightest touch of her arm --
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Najnežniji dodir po njenoj ruci --
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the touch of a hand,
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dodir šake,
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the touch even of a sleeve, of a garment, as she put it on --
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dodir čak i od rukava, odeće, dok se oblačila --
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caused excruciating, burning pain.
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izazivao bi veoma jake, peckajuće bolove.
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How can the nervous system get this so wrong?
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Kako nervni sistem može tako da pogreši?
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How can the nervous system
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Kako nervni sistem može
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misinterpret an innocent sensation
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pogrešno protumačiti nervni nadražaj
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like the touch of a hand
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kao što je dodir ruke
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and turn it into the malevolent sensation
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i pretvoriti ga u zlonameran osećaj
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of the touch of the flame?
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dodira gorionika.
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Well you probably imagine that the nervous system in the body
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Vi sigurno zamišljate da je nervni sistem u telu
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is hardwired like your house.
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umrežen kao vaša kuća.
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In your house, wires run in the wall,
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U vašoj kući, žice prolaze kroz zidove,
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from the light switch to a junction box in the ceiling
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od prekidača do razvodne kutije na plafonu
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and from the junction box to the light bulb.
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i od razvodne kutije do sijalice.
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And when you turn the switch on, the light goes on.
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I kada uključite prekidač i sijalica se upali.
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And when you turn the switch off, the light goes off.
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A kada isključite prekidač i sijalica se ugasi.
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So people imagine the nervous system is just like that.
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Dakle ljudi zamišljaju nervni sistem tako.
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If you hit your thumb with a hammer,
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Ako udarite palac čekićem,
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these wires in your arm -- that, of course, we call nerves --
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te žice u vašoj ruci -- koje, naravno, zovemo nervne ćelije --
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transmit the information into the junction box in the spinal cord
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prenose informaciju u razvodnu kutiju u kičmenoj moždini
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where new wires, new nerves,
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gde nove žice, novi nervi,
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take the information up to the brain
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prenose informaciju do mozga
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where you become consciously aware that your thumb is now hurt.
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gde vi postajete svesni da vas palac boli.
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But the situation, of course, in the human body
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Ali situacija, naravno, u ljudskom telu
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is far more complicated than that.
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je mnogo komplikovanija.
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Instead of it being the case
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Umesto toga
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that that junction box in the spinal cord
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da je razvodna kutija u kičmenoj moždini
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is just simple where one nerve connects with the next nerve
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samo običan spoj gde se jedan nerv povezuje sa sledećim
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by releasing these little brown packets
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otpuštajući ove male braon pakete
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of chemical information called neurotransmitters
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hemijske informacije nazvane neurotransmiteri
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in a linear one-on-one fashion,
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na linearan način, jedan-na-jedan,
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in fact, what happens
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ono što se zapravo događa
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is the neurotransmitters spill out in three dimensions --
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jeste da se neurotransmiteri prosipaju u tri dimenzije --
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laterally, vertically, up and down in the spinal cord --
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doslovno, vertikalno, dole i gore u kičmenoj moždini --
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and they start interacting
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i počinju da reaguju
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with other adjacent cells.
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sa drugim susednim ćelijama
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These cells, called glial cells,
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Za te ćelije, nazvane glijalne ćelije,
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were once thought to be
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se mislilo da su nevažni
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unimportant structural elements of the spinal cord
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strukturni elementi kičmene moždine koji
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that did nothing more than hold all the important things together,
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nisu radili ništa više od držanja važnih ćelija zajedno,
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like the nerves.
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kao na primer nervnih ćelija.
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But it turns out
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Ali se ispostavilo
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the glial cells have a vital role
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da glijalne ćelije imaju vitalnu ulogu
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in the modulation, amplification
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u modulaciji, pojačavanju
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and, in the case of pain, the distortion
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i u slučaju bola, distorziji
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of sensory experiences.
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osećajnog iskustva.
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These glial cells become activated.
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Ove glijalne ćelije su postale aktivne.
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Their DNA starts to synthesize new proteins,
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Njihova DNK je počela da sintetiše nove proteine,
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which spill out
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koju su se prosipali
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and interact with adjacent nerves,
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i reagovali sa susednim nervima.
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and they start releasing their neurotransmitters,
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I onda oni počnu oslobađati svoje neuro transmitere.
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and those neurotransmitters spill out
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I ti neurotransmiteri se prosipaju
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and activate adjacent glial cells, and so on and so forth,
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i aktiviraju susedne glijalne ćelije i tako dalje,
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until what we have
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dok ne dobijemo
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is a positive feedback loop.
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pozitivnu povratnu petlju.
05:28
It's almost as if somebody came into your home
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To je kao kada bi vam neko došao u kuću
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and rewired your walls
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i zapetljao žice u vašim zidovima,
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so that the next time you turned on the light switch,
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tako da kada sledeći put upalite svetlo,
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the toilet flushed three doors down,
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vaš vodokotlić pusti vodu tri sobe dalje,
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or your dishwasher went on,
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ili vaša mašina za pranje sudova se upali,
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or your computer monitor turned off.
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ili se vaš monitor od kompjutera ugasi.
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That's crazy,
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To je ludo,
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but that's, in fact, what happens
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ali to je ustvari, ono što se događa
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with chronic pain.
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sa hroničnim bolom.
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And that's why pain becomes its own disease.
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I tako bol postaje zasebno oboljenje.
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The nervous system has plasticity.
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Nervini sistem je plastičan.
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It changes, and it morphs
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Menja se i oblikuje
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in response to stimuli.
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kao odgovor na nadražaj.
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Well, what do we do about that?
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Dobro, šta da učinimo povodom toga?
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What can we do in a case like Chandler's?
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Šta da radimo u slučajevima kao što je Čendler?
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We treat these patients in a rather crude fashion
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Lečimo obolele na prlično sirov način
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at this point in time.
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u ovom trenutku.
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We treat them with symptom-modifying drugs --
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Lečimo ih lekovima protiv simptoma --
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painkillers --
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lekovima protiv bola --
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which are, frankly, not very effective
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koji nisu baš delotvorni
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for this kind of pain.
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za ovu vrstu bola.
06:13
We take nerves that are noisy and active
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Uzimamo nerve koji su bučni i aktivni
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that should be quiet,
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a koji bi trebalo da su tihi,
06:17
and we put them to sleep with local anesthetics.
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i uspavljujemo ih sa lokalnom anestezijom.
06:19
And most importantly, what we do
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I najvažnije što radimo,
06:22
is we use a rigorous, and often uncomfortable, process
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je da koristimo rigorozne i često neugodne, procese
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of physical therapy and occupational therapy
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fizičke terapije i radne terapije
06:29
to retrain the nerves in the nervous system
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da bi naučili nerve u nervnom sistemu
06:32
to respond normally
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da reaguju normalno
06:35
to the activities and sensory experiences
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na aktivnosti i osećajna iskustva
06:38
that are part of everyday life.
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koja su svakodnevica.
06:40
And we support all of that
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I sve to podržavamo
06:42
with an intensive psychotherapy program
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sa intezivnim psihoterapijskim programom
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to address the despondency, despair and depression
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da bi prevazišli malodušnost, očaj i depresiju
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that always accompanies
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koji uvek prate
06:50
severe, chronic pain.
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jak, hronični bol.
06:52
It's successful,
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To je uspešno,
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as you can see from this video of Chandler,
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kao što možete videti iz snimka o Čendler,
06:56
who, two months after we first met her,
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koja je, dva meseca nakon što sam je prvi put sreo,
06:58
is now doings a back flip.
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počela da radi kolut unazad.
07:00
And I had lunch with her yesterday
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Juče sam ručao s njom,
07:02
because she's a college student studying dance at Long Beach here,
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ona studira ples ovde u Long Biču.
07:05
and she's doing absolutely fantastic.
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I ide joj apsolutno fantastično.
07:07
But the future is actually even brighter.
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Ali budućnost je ustvari još svetlija.
07:11
The future holds the promise
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Budućnost obećava
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that new drugs will be developed
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da će biti napravljeni novi lekovi
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that are not symptom-modifying drugs
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koji neće uklanjati samo simptome
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that simply mask the problem,
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koji jednostavno maskiraju problem,
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as we have now,
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kao što imamo sada, nego
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but that will be disease-modifying drugs
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koji će ustvari uklanjati oboljenja
07:26
that will actually go right to the root of the problem
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koji će zapravo ići pravo do korena problema
07:28
and attack those glial cells,
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i napasti te glijalne ćelije,
07:30
or those pernicious proteins
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ili štetne proteine
07:32
that the glial cells elaborate,
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koje proizvodi glijalna ćelija,
07:35
that spill over and cause this central nervous system wind-up,
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koji se prospu i uzrokuju paralizu centralnog nervnog sistema,
07:38
or plasticity,
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ili plastičnost,
07:40
that so is capable
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koja je sposobna
07:42
of distorting and amplifying
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da menja ili pojačava
07:44
the sensory experience that we call pain.
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osećajno iskustvo koje nazivamo bol.
07:46
So I have hope
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Ja se nadam
07:48
that in the future,
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da će u budućnosti, biti
07:50
the prophetic words of George Carlin will be realized,
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ostvarene proročanske reči Džordža Karlina,
07:53
who said, "My philosophy:
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koji je rekao, "Moja filozofija:
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No pain, no pain."
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Bez bola, nema bola."
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Thank you very much.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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