The walk from "no" to "yes" | William Ury

Prevodilac: Radica Stojanović Lektor: Ana Zivanovic-Nenadovic

Tema komplikovanih pregovora

Well, the subject of difficult negotiation

reminds me of one of my favorite stories from the Middle East,

me podseća na jednu moju omiljenu priču

sa Bliskog Istoka,

of a man who left to his three sons, 17 camels.

o čoveku koji je trojici svojih sinova ostavio 17 kamila.

Prvom sinu ostavio je polovinu kamila;

To the first son, he left half the camels;

to the second son, he left a third of the camels;

drugom je ostavio trećinu kamila;

and to the youngest son, he left a ninth of the camels.

a najmlađem sinu je ostavio deveti deo kamila.

Tako su tri sina počela da pregovaraju.

The three sons got into a negotiation -- 17 doesn't divide by two.

17 nije deljivo sa dva.

Nije deljivo sa tri.

It doesn't divide by three.

It doesn't divide by nine.

Nije deljivo ni sa devet.

Brotherly tempers started to get strained.

Napetost među braćom je počela da raste.

Finally, in desperation,

Napokon, u očajanju,

they went and they consulted a wise old woman.

otišli su da se konsultuju sa mudrom staricom.

The wise old woman thought about their problem for a long time,

Mudra starica je razmišljala o njihovom problemu dugo vremena,

and finally she came back and said, "Well, I don't know if I can help you,

i najzad je rekla,

"Ne znam da li vam mogu pomoći,

ali barem, ako želite, daću vam jednu moju kamilu."

but at least, if you want, you can have my camel."

Tako su onda oni imali 18 kamila.

So then, they had 18 camels.

Prvi sin je uzeo svoju polovinu - polovina od 18 je devet.

The first son took his half -- half of 18 is nine.

Drugi sin je uzeo svoju trećinu - trećina od 18 je šest.

The second son took his third -- a third of 18 is six.

The youngest son took his ninth -- a ninth of 18 is two.

Najmlađi sin je uzeo svoju devetinu -

devetina od 18 je dva.

You get 17.

Dobije se 17.

They had one camel left over.

Imali su jednu kamilu viška.

They gave it back to the wise old woman.

Vratili su je mudroj starici.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Now, if you think about that story for a moment,

Ako razmislite o priči za trenutak,

I think it resembles a lot of the difficult negotiations

mislim da ona predstavlja

mnogo komplikovanih pregovora u koje smo uključeni.

we get involved in.

They start off like 17 camels, no way to resolve it.

Počinju baš kao 17 kamila - nema načina da se reši.

Somehow, what we need to do

Nekako, ono šta treba da uradimo

is step back from those situations, like that wise old woman,

je da izađemo iz tih situacija, kao ta mudra starica,

da pogledamo situaciju svežim očima

look at the situation through fresh eyes

i pronađemo 18. kamilu.

and come up with an 18th camel.

Finding that 18th camel in the world's conflicts

Nalaženje 18. kamile u svetu konflikata

has been my life passion.

je moja životna strast.

I basically see humanity a bit like those three brothers.

Ja zapravo vidim čovečanstvo kao ona tri brata:

We're all one family.

mi smo svi jedna porodica.

We know that scientifically,

Naučno je dokazano da su,

thanks to the communications revolution,

zahvaljujući revoluciji komunikacija

all the tribes on the planet -- all 15,000 tribes --

sva plemena na svetu, svih 15000,

are in touch with each other.

međusobno u kontaktu.

And it's a big family reunion.

To je velika porodično okupljanje.

And yet, like many family reunions,

Pa ipak, kao i mnoga porodična okupljanja,

it's not all peace and light.

ni u njima ne vlada mir sve vreme.

There's a lot of conflict,

Postoji mnogo sukoba.

and the question is: How do we deal with our differences?

A pitanje je,

kako se borimo sa razlikama?

How do we deal with our deepest differences,

Kako izlazimo na kraj sa našim najdubljim razlikama,

given the human propensity for conflict

s' obzirom na ljudsku sklonost sukobima

i ljudsku genijalnost

and the human genius at devising weapons of enormous destruction?

u osmišljavanju oružja za masovne destrukcije?

That's the question.

To je pitanje.

As I've spent the last better part of three decades, almost four,

Kako sam dobar deo poslednje tri decenije -

skoro četiri -

traveling the world,

proveo putujući po svetu,

trying to work, getting involved in conflicts

pokušavajući da radim, uključujući se u konflikte

ranging from Yugoslavia to the Middle East

od Jugoslavije do Bliskog Istoka

od Čečenije do Venecuele,

to Chechnya to Venezuela --

some of the most difficult conflicts on the face of the planet --

neke od najkonfliktnijih regiona u svetu,

I've been asking myself that question.

postavljao sam sebi to pitanje.

I mislim da sam otkrio, u neku ruku,

And I think I've found, in some ways, what is the secret to peace.

šta je tajna miru.

It's actually surprisingly simple.

To je zapravo iznenađujuće jednostavno.

It's not easy, but it's simple.

Nije lako, ali je jednostavno.

It's not even new.

Nije čak ni novo.

It may be one of our most ancient human heritages.

To je možda jedno od najstarijih nasleđa čovečanstva.

Tajna miru smo mi.

The secret to peace is us.

It's us who act as a surrounding community around any conflict,

Mi smo ti koji deluju

kao zajednica koja okružuje

oko svakog sukoba

who can play a constructive role.

i koji igraju konstruktivnu ulogu.

Let me give you just a story, an example.

Da vam dam jedan primer.

About 20 years ago,

Pre jedno 20 godina bio sam u Južnoj Africi,

I was in South Africa, working with the parties in that conflict,

radeći sa stranama u konfliktu

and I had an extra month,

i imao sam jedan mesec viška,

so I spent some time living with several groups of San Bushmen.

tako da sam proveo neko vreme živeći

sa nekoliko grupa San Bušmana.

I was curious about them, about the way in which they resolve conflict.

Zanimalo me je kako oni žive i kako rešavaju konflikte.

Because, after all, within living memory, they were hunters and gatherers,

Jer u okvirima poznate istorije,

oni su bili lovci i sakupljači hrane,

living pretty much like our ancestors lived

koji žive život u priličnoj meri kao što su i naši preci živeli

for maybe 99 percent of the human story.

u možda 99 procenata ljudske priče.

And all the men have these poison arrows that they use for hunting --

I svi muškarci imaju te otrovne strele koje koriste za lov -

absolutely fatal.

smrtonosne.

So how do they deal with their differences?

Pa kako se oni bore sa svojim razlikama?

Well, what I learned is, whenever tempers rise in those communities,

Ono što sam ja naučio

jeste to da kad god tenzija poraste u tim zajednicama,

someone goes and hides the poison arrows out in the bush,

neko sakrije otrovne strele u žbunje

and then everyone sits around in a circle like this,

i potom svi sednu u krug ovako,

and they sit and they talk and they talk.

sednu i pričaju i pričaju.

It may take two days, three days, four days,

To može trajati dva dana, tri dana, četri dana,

but they don't rest until they find a resolution

ali oni se ne odmaraju

dok ne pronađu rešenje,

or better yet -- a reconciliation.

ili još bolje, dok se ne pomire.

And if tempers are still too high,

A ukoliko je tenzija i dalje visoka,

then they send someone off to visit some relatives,

oni onda pošalju jednu od zavađenih strana u posetu nekoj rodbini

as a cooling-off period.

dok se ne "ohladi".

Well, that system is, I think, probably the system

Takav sistem

nas je verovatno i održao u životu do danas,

that kept us alive to this point,

given our human tendencies.

s obzirom na naše ljudske sklonosti.

Ja taj sistem nazivam trećom stranom.

That system, I call "the third side."

Jer ako razmislite o tome,

Because if you think about it, normally when we think of conflict,

kada razmišljamo o konfliktu, kada ga opisujemo,

when we describe it,

there's always two sides --

uvek postoje dve strane.

it's Arabs versus Israelis, labor versus management,

Tu su Arapi protiv Izraelaca, radnička klasa nasuprot kapitalista,

husband versus wife, Republicans versus Democrats.

muž nasuprot supruge, republikanci protiv demokrata,

But what we don't often see

ali ono što vidimo često

is that there's always a third side,

jeste to da uvek postoji i treća strana.

A treća strana konflikta smo mi,

and the third side of the conflict is us, it's the surrounding community,

okružujuća zajednica,

it's the friends, the allies,

to su prijatelji, saveznici,

the family members, the neighbors.

članovi porodica, komšije.

And we can play an incredibly constructive role.

Možemo igrati neverovatno konstruktivnu ulogu.

Perhaps the most fundamental way in which the third side can help

Možda najosnovniji način

na koji treća strana može pomoći

is to remind the parties of what's really at stake.

jeste da podseti strane šta je zaista ulog.

For the sake of the kids, for the sake of the family,

Za dobrobit dece, porodice,

za dobrobit zajednice, budućnosti,

for the sake of the community, for the sake of the future,

let's stop fighting for a moment and start talking.

prestanimo da se bijemo za trenutak i počnimo da razgovaramo.

Jer, stvar je u tome što,

Because, the thing is,

when we're involved in conflict,

kada se jednom nađemo u konfliktu,

it's very easy to lose perspective.

veoma je lako izgubiti perspektivu.

It's very easy to react.

Vrlo je lako reagovati.

Human beings -- we're reaction machines.

Ljudska bića: mi smo mašine koje reaguju.

And as the saying goes,

I kako priča ide,

when angry, you will make the best speech

kada ste ljuti, imaćete najbolji govor

you will ever regret.

zbog koga ćete najviše zažaliti.

(Laughter)

And so the third side reminds us of that.

I tako nas treća strana podseća na to.

The third side helps us go to the balcony,

Treća strana nam pomaže da odemo na balkon,

which is a metaphor for a place of perspective,

što je metafora za perspektivu,

where we can keep our eyes on the prize.

odakle možemo videti nagradu.

Let me tell you a little story from my own negotiating experience.

Da vam ispričam jednu kratku priču iz mog pregovaračkog iskustva.

Some years ago, I was involved as a facilitator in some very tough talks

Pre nekoliko godina, bio sam uključen kao moderator

u neke veoma teške pregovore

between the leaders of Russia and the leaders of Chechnya.

između lidera iz Rusije

i lidera Čečenije.

There was a war going on, as you know.

Tamo je bio rat u toku, kao što znate.

Sreli smo se u Hagu,

And we met in the Hague, in the Peace Palace,

u Palati Mira,

in the same room where the Yugoslav war-crimes tribunal was taking place.

u istoj prostoriji gde su se odvijala sudjenja

za ratne zločine počinjene u Jugoslaviji.

And the talks got off to a rather rocky start

I pregovori su počeli jako čupavo

kada je potpredsednik Čečenije

when the vice president of Chechnya began by pointing at the Russians

započeo uperivši prstom u Ruse i rekavši,

and said, "You should stay right here in your seats,

"Trebalo bi da ostanete na tim mestima,

because you're going to be on trial for war crimes."

jer ćete biti optuženi za ratne zločine."

A zatim se okrenuo prema meni i rekao,

And then he turned to me and said,

"You're an American.

"Ti si Amerikanac.

Look at what you Americans are doing in Puerto Rico."

Pogledaj šta vi, Amerikanci, radite u Porto Riku."

And my mind started racing, "Puerto Rico? What do I know about Puerto Rico?"

A moj mozak je počeo da brzo radi: "Porto Riko? Šta ja znam o Porto Riku?"

Počeo sam da reagujem,

I started reacting.

(Laughter)

ali onda sam se setio da treba da odem na balkon.

But then, I tried to remember to go to the balcony.

I onda kada je zastao,

And then when he paused

and everyone looked at me for a response,

i kada su svi pogledali u mene očekujući odgovor,

from a balcony perspective, I was able to thank him for his remarks

sa perspektive sa balkona, uspeo sam da mu se zahvalim na primedbi

and say, "I appreciate your criticism of my country

i kažem, "Cenim vašu kritiku moje zemlje,

and I take it as a sign that we're among friends

i prihvatam to kao znak da smo među prijateljima

i da možemo pričati iskreno jedni sa drugima.

and can speak candidly to one another."

(Laughter)

A ono zbog čega smo ovde nema veze sa Porto Rikom niti sa prošlošću.

"And what we're here to do is not to talk about Puerto Rico or the past.

Ono što treba da uradimo ovde jeste da otkrijemo način

We're here to see if we can figure out a way

to stop the suffering and the bloodshed in Chechnya."

da zaustavimo patnju i krvoproliće u Čečeniji."

Razgovor se vratio na pravi put.

The conversation got back on track.

That's the role of the third side,

To je uloga treće strane,

to help the parties go to the balcony.

da pomogne stranama da odu na balkon.

Sada mi dozvolite da vas odvedem na trenutak

Now let me take you, for a moment,

to what's widely regarded as the world's most difficult conflict,

u ono što se smatra najkomplikovanijim svetskim konfliktom,

or the most impossible conflict, the Middle East.

ili bar najneverovatnijim konfliktom,

Question is: where's the third side there?

a to je Bliski Istok.

Pitanje je: gde je tamo treća strana?

How could we possibly go to the balcony?

Kako je moguće da tamo odemo na balkon?

Now, I don't pretend to have an answer to the Middle East conflict,

Ne pretvaram se da imam odgovor

na konflikt Bliskog Istoka,

but I think I've got a first step -- literally, a first step --

ali mislim da znam prvi korak,

bukvalno prvi korak,

something that any one of us could do as third-siders.

nešto što bi bilo ko od nas mogao da učini kao treća strana.

Let me just ask you one question first.

Da vam pre toga postavim jedno pitanje.

How many of you in the last years

Koliko vas

je u prošloj godini

bilo zabrinuto zbog krize na Bliskom istoku

have ever found yourself worrying about the Middle East

i zapitalo se šta bi iko mogao da uradi?

and wondering what anyone could do?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you?

Čisto iz radoznalosti, koliko vas?

OK, so the great majority of us.

OK, velika većina nas.

And here, it's so far away.

A ipak, to je jako daleko odavde.

Why do we pay so much attention to this conflict?

Zašto polažemo toliko pažnje na taj konflikt?

Is it the number of deaths?

Da li je to zbog broja mrtvih?

There are a hundred times more people who die in a conflict in Africa

Hiljadu puta je veći broj ljudi koji su umrli

zbog konflikta u Africi nego na Bliskom Istoku.

than in the Middle East.

No, it's because of the story,

Ne, to je zbog priče,

because we feel personally involved in that story.

jer se osećamo lično uključeni

u tu priču.

Whether we're Christians, Muslims or Jews, religious or non-religious,

Bez obzira da li smo hrišćani, muslimani ili jevreji,

religiozni ili ne,

we feel we have a personal stake in it.

osećamo da imamo lični udeo u tome.

Stories matter;

Priče su važne. Kao antropolog, ja to znam.

as an anthropologist, I know that.

Stories are what we use to transmit knowledge.

Priče nam služe da prenesemo znanje.

One daju smisao našim životima.

They give meaning to our lives.

That's what we tell here at TED, we tell stories.

To je ono što radimo ovde na TED-u, pričamo priče.

Priče su ključ.

Stories are the key.

And so my question is --

I moje pitanje je,

yes, let's try and resolve the politics there in the Middle East,

da, hajde da probamo da razrešimo politiku

tamo na Bliskom Istoku,

but let's also take a look at the story.

ali hajde takođe i da pogledamo priču.

Let's try to get at the root of what it's all about.

Hajde da pokušamo da dođemo do samog izvora o čemu se tamo radi.

Let's see if we can apply the third side to it.

Da vidimo da li tamo možemo da primenimo treću stranu.

What would that mean? What is the story there?

Šta bi to značilo? Koja je njihova priča?

Kao antropolozi, mi znamo

Now, as anthropologists, we know that every culture has an origin story.

da svaka kultura ima svoju priču o poreklu.

What's the origin story of the Middle East?

Koja je priča o poreklu na Bliskom Istoku?

In a phrase, it's:

Ukratko, ona glasi:

Four thousand years ago,

pre 4000 godina, čovek i njegova porodica

a man and his family walked across the Middle East,

su prošli kroz Bliski Istok,

and the world has never been the same since.

i od tada svet više nikada nije bio isti.

Taj čovek je, naravno,

That man, of course, was Abraham.

bio Avram.

And what he stood for was unity, the unity of the family;

I ono za šta se on zalagao,

bilo je jedinstvo svoje porodice.

he's the father of us all.

On je otac svih nas.

But it's not just what he stood for, it's what his message was.

Ali nije stvar samo u tome za šta se on zalagao,

već i koja je bila njegova poruka.

His basic message was unity too,

Njegova osnovna poruka je bila takođe ujedinjenje,

the interconnectedness of it all, the unity of it all.

povezanost svega i jedinstvo svih.

And his basic value was respect,

A njegova osnovna vrednost je bila poštovanje,

was kindness toward strangers.

prijatnost prema strancima.

That's what he's known for, his hospitality.

To je ono po čemu je on poznat, njegova ljubaznost.

I u tom smislu,

So in that sense,

he's the symbolic third side of the Middle East.

on je simbolička treća strana

Bliskog Istoka.

He's the one who reminds us that we're all part of a greater whole.

On je taj koji nas podseća

da smo svi mi deo veće celine.

Now, think about that for a moment.

Sada kako biste vi -

razmislite malo na trenutak.

Today, we face the scourge of terrorism.

Danas se suočavamo sa terorizmom.

What is terrorism?

Šta je terorizam?

Terrorism is basically taking an innocent stranger

Terorizam je u suštini kada uzmete nevinog stranca

and treating them as an enemy whom you kill in order to create fear.

i tretirate ga kao neprijatelja koga ubijete

kako biste stvorili strah.

What's the opposite of terrorism?

Šta je suprotnost terorizmu?

To je kada uzmete nevinog stranca,

It's taking an innocent stranger

and treating them as a friend whom you welcome into your home,

tretirate ga kao prijatelja,

i primite ga u svoj dom

in order to sow and create understanding

u nameri da stvorite razumevanje,

ili poštovanje, ili ljubav.

or respect, or love.

So what if, then, you took the story of Abraham,

Šta ako onda

uzmete priču o Avramu,

which is a third-side story,

koji je treća strana,

what if that could be --

šta ako bi to moglo biti -

because Abraham stands for hospitality --

jer Avram znači gostoprimstvo -

what if that could be an antidote to terrorism?

šta ako bi to moglo biti protivotrov terorizmu?

What if that could be a vaccine against religious intolerance?

Šta ako bi to moglo biti vakcina

protiv religijske netolerancije?

How would you bring that story to life?

Kako biste oživeli tu priču?

Now, it's not enough just to tell a story.

Nije dovoljno samo ispričati priču -

i to je moćno -

That's powerful, but people need to experience the story.

ali ljudi treba da iskuse priču.

They need to be able to live the story.

Treba da budu u stanju da žive priču. Kako biste to uradili?

How would you do that?

And that was my thinking of how would you do that.

I to je bilo moje razmišljanje o tome kako biste to izveli.

And that's what comes to the first step here.

I to je prvi korak onoga do čega smo došli ovde.

Because the simple way to do that is:

Jer jednostavan način da se to uradi

jeste da odete u šetnju.

you go for a walk.

You go for a walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

Krenite u šetnju Avramovim stopama.

You retrace the footsteps of Abraham.

Krenete Avramovim koracima.

Because walking has a real power.

Jer šetanje ima pravu moć.

You know, as an anthropologist, walking is what made us human.

Znate, kao antropolog, smatram da je hodanje ono što nas je učinilo ljudima.

It's funny -- when you walk, you walk side-by-side,

Zanimljivo, kada hodate,

hodate jedan kraj drugog,

in the same common direction.

u istom pravcu.

Now if I were to come to you face-to-face

A ukoliko bih vam prišao licem u lice

and come this close to you,

sasvim blizu,

you would feel threatened.

osetili biste se ugroženim.

But if I walk shoulder-to-shoulder,

Ali ukoliko hodamo rame uz rame,

čak i ako se dodirujemo ramenima,

even touching shoulders,

it's no problem.

to nije problem.

Who fights while they walk?

Ko se još svađa dok hoda?

That's why in negotiations, often, when things get tough,

Iz tog razloga, tokom pregovora, kada stvari postanu teške,

people go for walks in the woods.

ljudi idu da se prošetaju po šumi.

So the idea came to me of, what about inspiring a path,

Tako sam dobio ideju

šta ako bismo inspirisali

stazu, put -

a route -- think the Silk Route, think the Appalachian Trail --

na primer put svile ili staze Apalačija -

that followed in the footsteps of Abraham?

koji bi pratio korake

Avrama.

Ljudi su govorili, "To je ludost. To je nemoguće.

People said, "That's crazy. You can't.

You can't retrace the footsteps of Abraham -- it's too insecure,

Ne možeš rekonstruisati Avramove korake. Previše je nesigurno.

you've got to cross all these borders,

Morao bi preći preko toliko granica.

it goes across 10 different countries in the Middle East,

Put prolazi kroz 10 različitih zemalja Bliskog istoka,

because it unites them all."

jer ujedinjuje sve njih."

Tako smo proučavali tu ideju na Harvardu.

And so we studied the idea at Harvard.

Marljivo smo odradili našu obavezu.

We did our due diligence.

And then a few years ago,

I tako je pre par godina, grupa nas,

a group of us, about 25 of us from 10 different countries,

nas 25 iz deset različitih zemalja,

decided to see if we could retrace the footsteps of Abraham,

odlučilo da ispita da li je moguće ponoviti Avramove korake,

going from his initial birthplace in the city of Urfa

krenuvši od njegovog mesta rođenja u gradu Urfa

u južnoj Turskoj, severnoj Mesopotamiji.

in Southern Turkey, Northern Mesopotamia.

And we then took a bus and took some walks

Krenuli smo autobusom, a jedan deo smo hodali

and went to Harran, where, in the Bible, he sets off on his journey.

i stigli u Haran,

gde je, prema Bibliji, on započeo svoj put.

Then we crossed the border into Syria, went to Aleppo,

Onda smo prešli granicu u Siriju, otišli u Alepo,

which, turns out, is named after Abraham.

koji je, ispostavilo se dobio naziv po Avramu.

We went to Damascus,

Zatim smo otišli u Damask,

which has a long history associated with Abraham.

čija je duga istorija blisko povezana sa Avramom.

Potom smo stigli do severnog Jordana,

We then came to Northern Jordan,

to Jerusalem -- which is all about Abraham -- to Bethlehem,

u Jerusalim,

koji je sav u znaku Avrama, onda do Vitlejema

and finally, to the place where he's buried, in Hebron.

i najzad do Hebrona,

mesta gde je sahranjen.

So effectively, we went from womb to tomb.

Tako smo prevalili put od materice do groba.

We showed it could be done.

Pokazali smo da je to moguće izvesti. Bio je to neverovatan put.

It was an amazing journey.

Let me ask you a question.

Dozvolite da vam postavim pitanje.

How many of you have had the experience of being in a strange neighborhood

Koliko vas je imalo iskustva

da bude u nepoznatoj sredini,

or strange land,

ili nepoznatoj zemlji,

and a total stranger, perfect stranger,

i potpuni stranac, savršen stranac,

priđe vam i pokaže malo ljubaznosti,

comes up to you and shows you some kindness --

maybe invites you into their home, gives you a drink,

možda vas pozove u svoj dom, ponudi vas pićem,

skuva vam kafu, da vam da jedete?

gives you a coffee, gives you a meal?

Koliko vas je imalo takvo iskustvo?

How many of you have ever had that experience?

To je suština

That's the essence of the Abraham Path.

Avramove staze.

That's what you discover as you go into these villages in the Middle East

Ali to je ono što otkrijete kada se nađete u tim selima na Bliskom Istoku

where you expect hostility,

gde očekujete neprijateljstvo,

and you get the most amazing hospitality,

dobijete najneverovatnije gostoprimstvo,

all associated with Abraham:

povezano sa Avramom.

"U ime oca Avrama,

"In the name of Father Ibrahim, let me offer you some food."

dozvoli mi da ti ponudim nešto hrane."

So what we discovered

Ono što smo mi otkrili

is that Abraham is not just a figure out of a book for those people;

jeste to da Avram za te ljude nije samo lik iz knjige,

he's alive, he's a living presence.

on je živ, on živi u sadašnjosti.

And to make a long story short,

I da skratim priču,

in the last couple of years now,

u poslednjih par godina,

thousands of people have begun to walk parts of the path of Abraham

hiljade ljudi

je započelo šetnju delovima Avramovog puta

na Bliskom Istoku,

in the Middle East,

enjoying the hospitality of the people there.

uživajući u gostoprimstvu tamošnjih ljudi.

They've begun to walk in Israel and Palestine,

Počeli su da hodaju

u Izraelu i Palestini,

in Jordan, in Turkey, in Syria.

u Jordanu, Turskoj, Siriji.

To je jedno neverovatno iskustvo.

It's an amazing experience.

Men, women, young people, old people --

Muškarci, žene, mladi i stari -

more women than men, actually, interestingly.

više žena nego muškaraca, što je interesantno.

For those who can't walk,

Za one koji ne mogu da hodaju,

who are unable to get there right now,

koji nisu u stanju da tamo stignu,

people started to organize walks in cities, in their own communities.

ljudi su počeli da organizuju šetnje

u gradovima, u sopstvenim zajednicama.

In Cincinnati, for instance, they organized a walk

U Sinsinatiju je, na primer, organizovana šetnja

od crkve do džamije do sinagoge

from a church to a mosque to a synagogue and all had an Abrahamic meal together.

i svi su imali zajednički Avramov obrok.

It was Abraham Path Day.

To je bio dan Avramove staze.

In São Paulo, Brazil, it's become an annual event

U Sao Paulu, u Brazilu, to je postao godišnji događaj

for thousands of people to run in a virtual Abraham Path Run,

za hiljade ljudi koji trče

na zamišljenoj Avramovoj putanji,

uniting the different communities.

ujedinjujući različite zajednice.

The media love it; they really adore it.

Mediji su oduševljeni tim događajem.

They lavish attention on it because it's visual

Obožavaju pažnju koja se tome posvećuje

jer je uočljivo,

and it spreads the idea,

i širi ideju,

this idea of Abrahamic hospitality, of kindness towards strangers.

tu ideju o Avramovom gostoprimstvu

o ljubaznosti prema strancima.

And just a couple weeks ago, there was an NPR story on it.

I pre samo par nedelja,

bila je priča na državnoj televiziji o tome.

Last month,

Prošlog meseca,

there was a piece in the Manchester Guardian about it,

bio je članak u mančesterskim

novinama "Gardijan" o tome -

two whole pages.

čitave dve strane.

And they quoted a villager

Citirali su jednog seljaka

who said, "This walk connects us to the world."

koji je rekao: "Ova šetnja nas povezuje sa svetom."

He said, "It was like a light that went on in our lives --

Rekao je da je kao svetlo koje je ušlo u naše živote.

it brought us hope."

Donelo nam je nadu.

And so that's what it's about.

I eto, o tome se radi.

But it's not just about psychology;

Ali nije to samo u vezi sa psihologijom,

it's about economics.

već i sa ekonomijom,

Because as people walk, they spend money.

jer kako se ljudi kreću tako i troše novac.

And this woman right here, Um Ahmad,

I ova žena ovde, Um Ahmad,

is a woman who lives on the path in Northern Jordan.

je žena koja živi na stazi u severnom Jordanu.

She's desperately poor.

Ona je jako siromašna.

She's partially blind, her husband can't work,

Delimično je slepa, njen muž ne može da radi,

she's got seven kids.

ima sedmoro dece.

But what she can do is cook.

Ali ume da kuva.

And so she's begun to cook for some groups of walkers

I tako je počela da kuva za neke grupe šetača

who come through the village and have a meal in her home.

koji su prolazili kroz selo i imali obrok u njenoj kući.

Oni sede na podu.

They sit on the floor -- she doesn't even have a tablecloth.

Ona nema čak ni stolnjak.

She makes the most delicious food,

A pravi izuzetno ukusnu hranu

that's fresh from the herbs in the surrounding countryside.

od svežih biljaka iz seoske okoline.

And so more and more walkers have come,

I dolazilo je sve više i više šetača.

and lately she's begun to earn an income to support her family.

I nedavno je počela da zarađuje dovoljno

da izdržava svoju porodicu.

And so she told our team there, she said,

I rekla je našem timu tamo,

"You have made me visible

"Vi ste me učinili vidljivom

in a village where people were once ashamed to look at me."

u selu u kom je ljude nekad bilo sramota

da me čak i pogledaju."

To je potencijal Avramove staze.

That's the potential of the Abraham Path.

There are literally hundreds of those kinds of communities

Postoje bukvalno stotine ovakvih zajednica

na Bliskom istoku, kroz koje prolazi staza.

across the Middle East, across the path.

The potential is basically to change the game.

Potencijal je u suštini u promeni igre.

And to change the game, you have to change the frame, the way we see things --

A da bismo promenili igru, potrebno je da se promeni model,

način na koji vidimo stvari -

to change the frame from hostility to hospitality,

da se promeni model

od neprijateljstva do gostoprimstva,

from terrorism to tourism.

od terorizma do turizma.

And in that sense, the Abraham Path

I u tom smislu, Avramova staza

menja igru.

is a game-changer.

Da vam pokažem samo jednu stvar.

Let me just show you one thing.

I have a little acorn here

Imam ovde jedan žir

that I picked up while I was walking on the path earlier this year.

koji sam pokupio dok sam hodao stazom

ove godine.

Now, the acorn is associated with the oak tree, of course --

Žir je, naravno, povezan sa drvetom hrasta -

poraste u hrast,

grows into an oak tree, which is associated with Abraham.

koji je povezan sa Avramom.

The path right now is like an acorn;

Staza je sada kao taj žir;

it's still in its early phase.

još uvek je u ranoj fazi.

What would the oak tree look like?

Kako bi hrast izgledao?

When I think back to my childhood,

Sećam se svog detinjstva,

a good part of which I spent, after being born here in Chicago,

čiji sam dobar deo proveo, nakon rođenja u Čikagu,

u Evropi.

I spent in Europe.

Da ste bili

If you had been in the ruins of, say, London in 1945, or Berlin,

u ruševinama, recimo, Londona

1945. ili u Berlinu

and you had said,

i da ste rekli,

"Sixty years from now,

"za 60 godina,

this is going to be the most peaceful, prosperous part of the planet,"

ovo će biti najmiroljubiviji, najnapredniji deo planete,"

people would have thought you were certifiably insane.

ljudi bi pomislili

da ste sigurno ludi.

But they did it, thanks to a common identity, Europe,

Ali oni su to uradili zahvaljujući zajedničkom identitetu - evropskom -

and a common economy.

i zajedničkoj ekonomiji.

So my question is, if it can be done in Europe,

Dakle, moje pitanje je, ako je to moglo biti izvedeno u Evropi,

why not in the Middle East?

zašto ne i na Bliskom istoku?

Why not, thanks to a common identity, which is the story of Abraham,

Zašto ne, zahvaljujući zajdeničkom identitetu -

o čemu zapravo govori priča o Avramu -

and thanks to a common economy that would be based, in good part, on tourism?

i zahvaljujući zajedničkoj ekonomiji

koja bi bila bazirana dobrim delom na turizmu?

So let me conclude, then,

I dozvolite mi da zaključim onda

by saying that in the last 35 years,

tako što ću reći da se u poslednjih 35 godina,

koliko radim

as I've worked in some of the most dangerous,

na nekim od najopasnijih i jako komplikovanih

difficult and intractable conflicts around the planet,

konflikata na planeti,

I have yet to see one conflict that I felt could not be transformed.

još nisam susreo sa konfliktom

za koji sam osetio da ne može biti prevaziđen.

It's not easy, of course.

Nije lako, naravno,

But it's possible.

ali je moguće.

It was done in South Africa.

Urađeno je u Južnoj Africi.

It was done in Northern Ireland.

Urađeno je u Severnoj Irskoj.

It could be done anywhere.

Može biti urađeno bilo gde.

It simply depends on us.

Prosto zavisi od nas.

It depends on us taking the third side.

Zavisi od nas, od zauzimanja treće strane.

Dozvolite mi da vas pozovem

So let me invite you to consider taking the third side,

da uzmete u obzir zauzimanje treće strane,

even as a very small step.

pa makar i samo mali korak ka tome.

We're about to take a break in a moment.

Predstoji nam pauza za trenutak.

Just go up to someone

Samo priđite nekom

who's from a different culture, a different country,

ko je iz druge kulture, iz druge zemlje,

a different ethnicity -- some difference --

drugog etničkog porekla, nekako drugačiji,

and engage them in a conversation.

i započnite razgovor; saslušajte ga.

Listen to them.

That's a third-side act.

To je ponašanje treće strane.

That's walking Abraham's Path.

To je hod Avramovom stazom.

After a TED Talk,

Nakon TED govora,

why not a TED Walk?

zašto ne TED šetnja?

(Laughter)

Dozvolite mi da vas ostavim

So let me just leave you with three things.

sa tri stvari.

Jedna je, tajna miru

One is, the secret to peace is the third side.

je treća strana.

The third side is us.

Treća strana smo mi,

svako od nas,

Each of us, with a single step,

jednim korakom,

can take the world, can bring the world

može dovesti svet,

a step closer to peace.

korak bliže miru.

There's an old African proverb that goes:

Postoji stara afrička poslovica koja glasi:

"When spiderwebs unite,

"Ujedinjene paukove mreže,

they can halt even the lion."

mogu zaustaviti čak i lava."

If we're able to unite our third-side webs of peace,

Ako budemo u stanju da ujedinimo

mreže mira naše treće strane

moći ćemo da zaustavimo čak i lava rata.

we can even halt the lion of war.

Hvala vam mnogo.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)