The walk from "no" to "yes" | William Ury

Translator: Almir Grahovic Reviewer: Sandra Gojic

Tema teških pregovora

Well, the subject of difficult negotiation

reminds me of one of my favorite stories from the Middle East,

podsjeća me na jednu od mojih omiljenih priča

sa Bliskog Istoka,

of a man who left to his three sons, 17 camels.

o čovjeku koji je trojici svojih sinova ostavio u nasljedstvo 17 kamila.

Prvom sinu je ostavio pola kamila;

To the first son, he left half the camels;

to the second son, he left a third of the camels;

drugom trećinu;

and to the youngest son, he left a ninth of the camels.

i najmlađem sinu jednu devetinu.

I tako su sinovi počeli pregovarati.

The three sons got into a negotiation -- 17 doesn't divide by two.

17 nije djeljivo sa 2.

Nije djeljivo sa 3.

It doesn't divide by three.

It doesn't divide by nine.

I nije djeljivo sa 9.

Brotherly tempers started to get strained.

Napetost među braćom je počela da raste.

Finally, in desperation,

Najzad, u očaju,

they went and they consulted a wise old woman.

odlučiše da traže savjet od stare mudre žene.

The wise old woman thought about their problem for a long time,

Ona je dugo razmišljala o njihovom problemu,

i kad se vratila reče:

and finally she came back and said, "Well, I don't know if I can help you,

"Ne znam da li vam mogu pomoći,

ali bar, ako hoćete, možete uzeti moju kamilu."

but at least, if you want, you can have my camel."

Tako da su sad imali 18 kamila.

So then, they had 18 camels.

Prvi sin je uzeo svoju polovinu - pola od 18 je 9.

The first son took his half -- half of 18 is nine.

Drugi sin svoju trećinu - trećina od 18 je 6.

The second son took his third -- a third of 18 is six.

The youngest son took his ninth -- a ninth of 18 is two.

Najmlađi sin uze svoju devetinu -

devetina od 18 je 2.

You get 17.

Dobijemo 17.

They had one camel left over.

Jedna kamila ostade viška.

They gave it back to the wise old woman.

Vrate je nazad mudroj ženi.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Now, if you think about that story for a moment,

Ako razmislite o ovoj priči na trenutak,

I think it resembles a lot of the difficult negotiations

Ja mislim da podsjeća

na dosta teških pregovora u kojim učestvujemo.

we get involved in.

They start off like 17 camels, no way to resolve it.

Počinju sa 17 kamila - nema šanse da to riješe.

Somehow, what we need to do

Ono šta trebamo uraditi je na neki način

is step back from those situations, like that wise old woman,

odstupanje od tih situacija, kao ta mudra žena,

i sa svježim pogledom

look at the situation through fresh eyes

doći do osamnaeste kamile.

and come up with an 18th camel.

Finding that 18th camel in the world's conflicts

Pronalazak te osamnaeste kamile u svijetskim konfliktima

has been my life passion.

je bila i jeste strast mog života.

I basically see humanity a bit like those three brothers.

Ja u suštini vidim čovječanstvo pomalo kao ona 3 brata;

We're all one family.

svi smo jedna porodica.

We know that scientifically,

Mi to naučno znamo,

thanks to the communications revolution,

zahvaljujući revoluciji u komunikacijama,

all the tribes on the planet -- all 15,000 tribes --

sva plemena na planeti, svih 15 hiljada,

are in touch with each other.

su u kontaktu jedno s drugim.

And it's a big family reunion.

I to je jedno veliko porodično okupljanje.

And yet, like many family reunions,

Ali opet, kao dosta porodičnih okupljanja,

it's not all peace and light.

nije sve veselo.

There's a lot of conflict,

Nađe se dosta sukoba.

and the question is: How do we deal with our differences?

I pitanje je,

kako se nositi sa našim različitostima?

How do we deal with our deepest differences,

Kako se nositi prema onom u čemu se duboko razlikujemo,

given the human propensity for conflict

znajući ljudsku sklonost ka sukobu

i ljudskog genija

and the human genius at devising weapons of enormous destruction?

za osmišljavanje oružja ogromnog uništavanja?

That's the question.

To je pitanje.

As I've spent the last better part of three decades, almost four,

Provodeći veći dio zadnje 3 decenije -

i skoro 4 -

traveling the world,

putujući svijetom,

trying to work, getting involved in conflicts

pokušavajući raditi na konfliktima

ranging from Yugoslavia to the Middle East

od Jugoslavije do Bliskog Istoka

od Čečenije do Venecuele,

to Chechnya to Venezuela --

some of the most difficult conflicts on the face of the planet --

na nekim od najtežih sukoba na planeti Zemlji,

I've been asking myself that question.

pitao sam se to isto pitanje.

I mislim da sam otkrion, na neki način,

And I think I've found, in some ways, what is the secret to peace.

šta je tajna Mira.

It's actually surprisingly simple.

U stvari je jako jednostavno.

It's not easy, but it's simple.

Nije lako, ali je jednostavno.

It's not even new.

Nije čak ni nešto novo.

It may be one of our most ancient human heritages.

Može biti da čak dolazi od naše drevne ljudske baštine.

Tajna Mira smo Mi.

The secret to peace is us.

It's us who act as a surrounding community around any conflict,

To smo Mi, kao predstavnici

zajednice koja okružuje

bilo koji konflikt,

who can play a constructive role.

koji možemo da imamo konstruktivnu ulogu.

Let me give you just a story, an example.

Evo jedne priče, kao primjer ovoga.

About 20 years ago,

Otprilike prije 20 godina bio sam u Južnoj Africi

I was in South Africa, working with the parties in that conflict,

radeći sa stranama u tom sukobu,

and I had an extra month,

i imao sam slobodnih mjesec dana,

so I spent some time living with several groups of San Bushmen.

tako da sam ih proveo živjeći

sa nekoliko grupa San Bušmana.

I was curious about them, about the way in which they resolve conflict.

Bio sam zainteresiran o njima i načinu na koji oni rješavaju sukobe.

Because, after all, within living memory, they were hunters and gatherers,

Jer ipak, od kad znaju za sebe,

bili su lovci i skupljači,

living pretty much like our ancestors lived

živjeći manje ili više kao naši preci

for maybe 99 percent of the human story.

za skoro 99 posto ljudskog postojanja.

And all the men have these poison arrows that they use for hunting --

I svi muškarci imaju te otrovne strele koje koriste za lov -

absolutely fatal.

potpuno smrtonosne.

So how do they deal with their differences?

I kako se oni nose sa svojim razlikama?

Well, what I learned is, whenever tempers rise in those communities,

Saznao sam

da svaki put kad napetost počne rasti u tim zajednicama,

someone goes and hides the poison arrows out in the bush,

neko ode i sakrije otrovne strele vani u grmlje,

and then everyone sits around in a circle like this,

i onda svi sjednu u krugu kao što je ovaj,

and they sit and they talk and they talk.

i tu sjede, i pričaju, i pričaju.

It may take two days, three days, four days,

Može trajati dva dana, tri, četiri,

but they don't rest until they find a resolution

ali oni ne odmaraju

dok ne dođu do rješenja,

or better yet -- a reconciliation.

ili bolje rečeno, pomirenja.

And if tempers are still too high,

A ako je situacija još uvijek napeta,

then they send someone off to visit some relatives,

tada nekog pošalju da ode posjetiti rođake

as a cooling-off period.

da se malo ohladi.

Well, that system is, I think, probably the system

Ovaj njihov sistem

je, mislim, sistem koji nas je održao u životu do sada,

that kept us alive to this point,

given our human tendencies.

ako uzmemo u obzir naše ljudske tendencije.

Taj sistem ja zovem Treća Strana.

That system, I call "the third side."

Jer ako razmislite,

Because if you think about it, normally when we think of conflict,

obično kad mislimo o konfliktu, kad ga opisujemo,

when we describe it,

there's always two sides --

tu su uvijek dvije strane.

it's Arabs versus Israelis, labor versus management,

Tu su Arapi protiv Izraelaca, radnici protiv rukovodstva,

husband versus wife, Republicans versus Democrats.

muž protiv žene, Republikanci protiv Demokrata,

But what we don't often see

ali šta mi obično ne vidimo

is that there's always a third side,

je to da je uvijek tu treća strana.

I ta treća strana konflikta smo mi,

and the third side of the conflict is us, it's the surrounding community,

ta okružujuća zajednica,

it's the friends, the allies,

to su prijatelji, saveznici,

the family members, the neighbors.

članovi familije, komšije.

And we can play an incredibly constructive role.

I, mi možemo imati nevjerojatno konstruktivnu ulogu.

Perhaps the most fundamental way in which the third side can help

Možda najosnovniji način

na koji treća strana može pomoći

is to remind the parties of what's really at stake.

je da podsjeti strane šta je ovdje stvarno u pitanju.

For the sake of the kids, for the sake of the family,

Radi djece, radi familije,

radi društva, radi budućnosti,

for the sake of the community, for the sake of the future,

let's stop fighting for a moment and start talking.

prestanimo se boriti za trenutak i počnimo razgovarati.

Stvar je u tome,

Because, the thing is,

when we're involved in conflict,

da kada smo u konfliktu,

it's very easy to lose perspective.

jako je lako izgubiti perspektivu.

It's very easy to react.

Jako je lako reagirati.

Human beings -- we're reaction machines.

Ljudska bića: mi smo mašine za reakciju.

And as the saying goes,

I kako ona poslovica ide,

when angry, you will make the best speech

kad si ljut, daćeš najbolji govor

you will ever regret.

koji ćeš ikad zažaliti.

(Laughter)

And so the third side reminds us of that.

Tako da nas treća strana podsjeća na to.

The third side helps us go to the balcony,

Treća strana nam pomaže da izađemo na balkon,

which is a metaphor for a place of perspective,

što je metafora perspektivnoga mjesta,

where we can keep our eyes on the prize.

gdje možemo zadržati oči na meti.

Let me tell you a little story from my own negotiating experience.

Ispričaću vam malu priču iz mog pregovaračkog iskustva.

Some years ago, I was involved as a facilitator in some very tough talks

Prije nekoliko godina, bio sam uključen kao posrednik

u jako teške pregovore

between the leaders of Russia and the leaders of Chechnya.

između lidera iz Rusije

i lidera iz Čečenije.

There was a war going on, as you know.

Rat se dešavao, kao što znate.

I susreli smo se u Hagu,

And we met in the Hague, in the Peace Palace,

u Palači Mira,

in the same room where the Yugoslav war-crimes tribunal was taking place.

u istoj sobi gdje se Jugoslovenski sud za ratne zločine

također održavao.

And the talks got off to a rather rocky start

Pregovori su loše počeli

kad je potpredsjednik Čečenije

when the vice president of Chechnya began by pointing at the Russians

počeo upirati prstom na Ruse i rekao,

and said, "You should stay right here in your seats,

"Vi možete slobodno ostati sjediti tu u vašim stolicama,

because you're going to be on trial for war crimes."

jer će te ionako biti na sudu za ratne zločine."

I onda je nastavio, okrenuo se prema meni i rekao,

And then he turned to me and said,

"You're an American.

"Ti si Amerikanac.

Look at what you Americans are doing in Puerto Rico."

Pogledajte šta vi Amerikanci radite u Porto Riku."

And my mind started racing, "Puerto Rico? What do I know about Puerto Rico?"

I počeo sam brzo da razmišljam, "Porto Riko? Šta ja znam o Porto Riku?"

I počeo sam reagirati,

I started reacting.

(Laughter)

ali tada sam se pokušao sjetiti da odem na "Balkon".

But then, I tried to remember to go to the balcony.

Kad je on zastao,

And then when he paused

and everyone looked at me for a response,

i kad su se svi okrenuli prema meni očekujući moj odgovor,

from a balcony perspective, I was able to thank him for his remarks

sa perspektive "Balkona", bio sam u stanju da mu zahvalim za njegove komentare

and say, "I appreciate your criticism of my country

i kažem, "Cjenim vaše kritikovanje moje države,

and I take it as a sign that we're among friends

i uzeću to kao znak da smo među prijateljima

i da možemo otvoreno razgovarati.

and can speak candidly to one another."

(Laughter)

Razlog zbog kojeg smo mi ovdje nije da pričamo o Porto Riku ili o prošlosti.

"And what we're here to do is not to talk about Puerto Rico or the past.

Mi smo ovdje da vidimo da li možemo naći način

We're here to see if we can figure out a way

to stop the suffering and the bloodshed in Chechnya."

da zaustavimo muku i krvoproliće u Čečeniji."

Stim smo se vratili na temu razgovora.

The conversation got back on track.

That's the role of the third side,

To je uloga treće strane,

to help the parties go to the balcony.

da pomogne stranama da odu na "Balkon".

A sada vas dovodim do,

Now let me take you, for a moment,

to what's widely regarded as the world's most difficult conflict,

što je šire poznato, najtežeg svjetskog konflikta,

ili nemogućeg za riješiti,

or the most impossible conflict, the Middle East.

a to je Bliski Istok.

Question is: where's the third side there?

Pitanje je: gdje je tu treća strana?

How could we possibly go to the balcony?

Da li je moguće tu doći do "Balkona"?

Now, I don't pretend to have an answer to the Middle East conflict,

Ja se ne pretvaram da imam rješenje

za konflikt na Bliskom Istoku,

but I think I've got a first step -- literally, a first step --

ali mislim da sam došao do prvog koraka,

bukvalno prvog koraka,

something that any one of us could do as third-siders.

nešto što bilo ko od nas može da uradi kao pripadnk treće strane.

Let me just ask you one question first.

Ali da vas prvo upitam jedno pitanje.

How many of you in the last years

Koliko vas

je u poslednjih

par godina uhvatilo sebe da se brine za Bliski Istok

have ever found yourself worrying about the Middle East

i da se pitate šta tu bilo ko može da uradi?

and wondering what anyone could do?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you?

Samo iz znatiželje, koliko vas?

OK, so the great majority of us.

U redu, znači većina nas.

And here, it's so far away.

Iako je tako daleko.

Why do we pay so much attention to this conflict?

Zašto dajemo toliko pažnje ovom konfliktu?

Is it the number of deaths?

Da li je zbog broja mrtvih?

There are a hundred times more people who die in a conflict in Africa

Stotinu puta više ljudi pogine

u konfliktima u Africi nego na Bliskom Istoku.

than in the Middle East.

No, it's because of the story,

Znači ne, razlog je u priči,

because we feel personally involved in that story.

zato što osjećamo da lično učestvujemo

u toj priči.

Whether we're Christians, Muslims or Jews, religious or non-religious,

Bili mi Kršćani, Muslimani ili Jevreji,

religiozni ili ne,

we feel we have a personal stake in it.

osjećamo da tu imamo ličnog udjela.

Stories matter;

Priče su važne. Kao antropolog, ja to znam.

as an anthropologist, I know that.

Stories are what we use to transmit knowledge.

Sa pričama mi prenosimo znanje.

One daju značenje našim životima.

They give meaning to our lives.

That's what we tell here at TED, we tell stories.

To je ono što mi radimo ovdje na TED-u, pričamo priče.

Priče su ključne.

Stories are the key.

And so my question is --

I moje pitanje je,

yes, let's try and resolve the politics there in the Middle East,

da, hajde da probamo riješiti politička pitanja

na Bliskom Istoku,

but let's also take a look at the story.

ali isto tako pogledajmo priču.

Let's try to get at the root of what it's all about.

Pokušajmo da dođemo do korijena čitave situacije.

Let's see if we can apply the third side to it.

Da vidimo možemo li tu primijeniti treću stranu.

Šta bi to značilo? O čemu se ovdje radi?

What would that mean? What is the story there?

Kao antropolozi znamo

Now, as anthropologists, we know that every culture has an origin story.

da svaka kultura ima svoje porijeklo.

What's the origin story of the Middle East?

Šta je porijeklo Bliskog Istoka?

In a phrase, it's:

Ide nešto kao:

Four thousand years ago,

Prije 4 hiljade godina, čovjek i njegova familija

a man and his family walked across the Middle East,

je hodajući prešla preko Bliskog Istoka,

and the world has never been the same since.

i od tad svijet više nije bio isti.

Taj čovjek, naravno,

That man, of course, was Abraham.

je bio Ibrahim (Abraham).

And what he stood for was unity, the unity of the family;

I on je bio za jedinstvo,

familijarno jedinstvo.

he's the father of us all.

On je otac od nas sviju.

But it's not just what he stood for, it's what his message was.

Ali ne samo da je bio za jedinstvo, njegova poruka je važna.

Njegova osnovna poruka je također bila ujedinjenje,

His basic message was unity too,

the interconnectedness of it all, the unity of it all.

međusobna povezanost i ujedinjenje svega.

And his basic value was respect,

I njegova osnovna vrijednost je bila poštovanje,

was kindness toward strangers.

dobrota prema strancima.

That's what he's known for, his hospitality.

Po tom je poznat, po svom gostoprimstvu.

U tom smislu,

So in that sense,

he's the symbolic third side of the Middle East.

on je simbolična treća strana

Bliskog Istoka.

He's the one who reminds us that we're all part of a greater whole.

On je taj koji nas podsjeća

da smo svi mi dio veće cijeline.

Now, think about that for a moment.

Sad, kako bi vi -

razmislite o tome na trenutak.

Today, we face the scourge of terrorism.

Trenutno se suočavamo sa terorizmom.

What is terrorism?

Šta je terorizam?

Terrorism is basically taking an innocent stranger

Terorizam je u stvari, uzeti nevinu osobu

and treating them as an enemy whom you kill in order to create fear.

i tretirati je kao neprijatelja kog ubijaš

da bi stvorio strah.

What's the opposite of terrorism?

Šta je suprotno od terorizma?

Uzeti nevinu osobu

It's taking an innocent stranger

and treating them as a friend whom you welcome into your home,

i tretirati je kao prijatelja

kog pozivaš u svoju kuću

in order to sow and create understanding

da bi stvorio razumjevanje,

ili poštovanje, ili ljubav.

or respect, or love.

So what if, then, you took the story of Abraham,

I šta onda

ako bi uzeo priču o Ibrahimu (Abrahamu),

which is a third-side story,

što je priča o "trećoj strani",

what if that could be --

šta ako bi to moglo -

because Abraham stands for hospitality --

zato što Ibrahim zastupa gostoprimstvo -

what if that could be an antidote to terrorism?

šta ako bi to mogao biti protivotrov za terorizam?

What if that could be a vaccine against religious intolerance?

Šta ako bi to mogla biti vakcina

protiv religiozne netoleracije?

How would you bring that story to life?

Kako biste oživeli tu priču?

Now, it's not enough just to tell a story.

E sad, nije dovoljno samo ispričati priču -

mada i to je moćno -

That's powerful, but people need to experience the story.

ali ljudi trebaju da je iskuse.

They need to be able to live the story.

Trebaju biti u stanju da je dožive. Kako bi to uradili?

How would you do that?

And that was my thinking of how would you do that.

O tom sam razmišljao, kako to postići.

And that's what comes to the first step here.

I to je ovde prvi korak.

Because the simple way to do that is:

Jer jednostavan način da se to postigne

je da krenete u šetnju.

you go for a walk.

You go for a walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

Krenete u šetnju stopama Ibrahima (Abrahama).

You retrace the footsteps of Abraham.

Pratite stope Ibrahima.

Because walking has a real power.

Zato što hodanje ima stvarnu moć.

You know, as an anthropologist, walking is what made us human.

Po antropologiji znamo da je hodanje bilo ključno za razvoj ljudskih bića.

It's funny -- when you walk, you walk side-by-side,

Zanimljivo je, kad hodamo,

hodamo jedno pored drugog

in the same common direction.

u istom zajedničkom pravcu.

Now if I were to come to you face-to-face

A sad, kad bih vam prišao licem u lice

and come this close to you,

i došao ovako blizu,

you would feel threatened.

vi bi ste se osjećali ugroženim.

But if I walk shoulder-to-shoulder,

Ali ako bi hodao s vama rame uz rame,

čak i dodirujući ramena,

even touching shoulders,

it's no problem.

ne bi bilo problema.

Who fights while they walk?

Ko se svađa dok šeta?

That's why in negotiations, often, when things get tough,

Zbog toga često u pregovorima, kad se stvari zakomplikuju,

people go for walks in the woods.

ljudi odu prošetati u u šumu.

So the idea came to me of, what about inspiring a path,

Tako da mi je došla ideja,

za inspiraciju

puta ili rute -

a route -- think the Silk Route, think the Appalachian Trail --

nešto poput Puta Svile ili Appalachian rute -

that followed in the footsteps of Abraham?

koji bi pratio stopama

Ibrahima.

Ljudi su rekli: "To je ludo. To ne možeš.

People said, "That's crazy. You can't.

You can't retrace the footsteps of Abraham -- it's too insecure,

Ne može se pratiti stopama Ibrahima. Previše je nesigurno.

you've got to cross all these borders,

Morao bi prelaziti preko svih ovih granica.

it goes across 10 different countries in the Middle East,

I ide preko 10 država na Bliskom Istoku,

zato što ih sve ujedinjava".

because it unites them all."

Tako da smo proučavali tu ideju na Harvard-u.

And so we studied the idea at Harvard.

Da znamo o čemu pričamo.

We did our due diligence.

And then a few years ago,

I onda prije par godina, grupa nas

a group of us, about 25 of us from 10 different countries,

od oko 25 iz različitih zemalja,

decided to see if we could retrace the footsteps of Abraham,

smo odlučili da vidimo da li je moguće ići stopama Ibrahima,

krenući iz njegovog rodnog grada Urfa

going from his initial birthplace in the city of Urfa

u južnoj Turskoj, sjeverna Mezopotamija.

in Southern Turkey, Northern Mesopotamia.

And we then took a bus and took some walks

Malo autobusom, malo piješice

and went to Harran, where, in the Bible, he sets off on his journey.

i dođemo do starog grada Harran-a,

gdje, kako se navodi u Bibliji, on kreće na svoj put.

Then we crossed the border into Syria, went to Aleppo,

Onda smo prešli granicu Sirije, i otišli do grada Aleppo-a,

which, turns out, is named after Abraham.

koji je,ispostavlja se, dobio ime po Ibrahimu.

We went to Damascus,

Otišli smo do Damascus-a,

which has a long history associated with Abraham.

koji ima dugu istoriju povezanu sa Ibrahimom.

Onda smo došli u sjeverni Jordan,

We then came to Northern Jordan,

to Jerusalem -- which is all about Abraham -- to Bethlehem,

i u Jerusalem,

koji je sav o Ibrahimu, onda do Bethlehem-a,

and finally, to the place where he's buried, in Hebron.

i konačno do mjesta gdje je sahranjen

u Hebron-u.

So effectively, we went from womb to tomb.

Tako da efektivno, išli smo od stomaka do groba.

We showed it could be done.

Pokazali smo da je moguće. Bilo je to nevjerovatno putovanje.

It was an amazing journey.

Let me ask you a question.

Da vas pitam nešto.

How many of you have had the experience of being in a strange neighborhood

Koliko vas ste imali priliku

biti u nepoznatom susjedstvu,

or strange land,

ili stranoj zemlji,

and a total stranger, perfect stranger,

i totalni stranac, nepoznanik,

dođe do vas i pokaže vam ljubaznost,

comes up to you and shows you some kindness --

maybe invites you into their home, gives you a drink,

možda vas pozove u kuću, da vam piće,

da vam kafu ili ponudi s jelom?

gives you a coffee, gives you a meal?

Koliko vas je imalo takvo iskustvo?

How many of you have ever had that experience?

U tom je bit

That's the essence of the Abraham Path.

Ibrahimovog puta.

That's what you discover as you go into these villages in the Middle East

To je ono što otkrijete, odete u ova sela na Bliskom Istoku

gdje očekujete neprijateljstvo,

where you expect hostility,

a dobijete nevjerovatnu gostoljubivost,

and you get the most amazing hospitality,

sve povezano sa Ibrahimom.

all associated with Abraham:

"U ime oca Ibrahima,

"In the name of Father Ibrahim, let me offer you some food."

ponudio bi vas sa hranom."

So what we discovered

Tako smo saznali

is that Abraham is not just a figure out of a book for those people;

da Ibrahim nije samo lik iz knjige za ove ljude,

he's alive, he's a living presence.

nego da je njegova prisutnost živa.

And to make a long story short,

I da skratimo,

in the last couple of years now,

već zadnjih par godina,

thousands of people have begun to walk parts of the path of Abraham

hiljade ljudi

su počeli hodati dijelovima Ibrahimovog puta

na Bliskom Istoku,

in the Middle East,

enjoying the hospitality of the people there.

uživajući tamošnju gostoljubivost.

They've begun to walk in Israel and Palestine,

Počeli su šetati

u Izraelu i Palestini,

in Jordan, in Turkey, in Syria.

u Jordanu, Turskoj, Siriji.

To je nevjerovatan doživljaj.

It's an amazing experience.

Men, women, young people, old people --

Muškarci, žene, mladi i stari ljudi -

more women than men, actually, interestingly.

zanimljivo, više žene nego muškarci.

For those who can't walk,

Za one

who are unable to get there right now,

koji ne mogu doći do tamo za sada,

people started to organize walks in cities, in their own communities.

ljudi su počeli organizirati šetnje

u gradovima u njihovim zajednicama.

In Cincinnati, for instance, they organized a walk

U Cincinnati-ju na primjer, organizirana je setnja

od crkve do džamije do sinagoge

from a church to a mosque to a synagogue and all had an Abrahamic meal together.

i svi su imali Ibrahimov ručak zajedno.

It was Abraham Path Day.

Bio je to dan Ibrahimovog puta.

In São Paulo, Brazil, it's become an annual event

U Sao Paulo-u, u Brazilu, ovo je postao godišnji događaj

for thousands of people to run in a virtual Abraham Path Run,

za hiljade ljudi da trče

na virtualnom Ibrahimovom putu

uniting the different communities.

ujedinjujući različite zajednice ljudi.

The media love it; they really adore it.

Mediji ovo vole, obožavaju.

They lavish attention on it because it's visual

Privlači ih pažnja javnosti

zato što je vidljivo,

and it spreads the idea,

i širi ideju,

this idea of Abrahamic hospitality, of kindness towards strangers.

tu ideju o Ibrahimovom gostoljubstvu

od dobrote prema strancima.

And just a couple weeks ago, there was an NPR story on it.

Prije par sedmica,

NPR je imao segment o ovom.

Last month,

Prošlog mjeseca,

there was a piece in the Manchester Guardian about it,

izašao je članak U Guardian-u također,

i u Manchester Guardian-u

two whole pages.

čitave dvije stranice su napisane.

And they quoted a villager

I kvotirali su jednog seljaka

who said, "This walk connects us to the world."

koji je rekao:"Ova šetnja nas konektira sa svijetom."

He said, "It was like a light that went on in our lives --

Kaže da je bilo kao da je neko upalio svijetlo u njihovim životima.

it brought us hope."

Donijelo nam je nadu.

And so that's what it's about.

Znači o tome se radi.

But it's not just about psychology;

Ali isto tako nije ovo samo psihološki,

it's about economics.

i u vezi ekonomije je,

Because as people walk, they spend money.

zato što dok ljudi šetaju troše i pare.

And this woman right here, Um Ahmad,

I ova žena ovdje, Um Ahmad,

is a woman who lives on the path in Northern Jordan.

živi na putu u sjevernom Jordan-u.

She's desperately poor.

Ona je očajno siromašna.

She's partially blind, her husband can't work,

Poluslijepa i muž joj nemože raditi,

she's got seven kids.

ima sedmoro dijece.

But what she can do is cook.

Ali šta može raditi je kuhati.

And so she's begun to cook for some groups of walkers

I tako je počela da kuha za neke grupe šetača

who come through the village and have a meal in her home.

koji prođu kroz selo i svrate na jelo u njenu kuću.

Oni sjede na podu.

They sit on the floor -- she doesn't even have a tablecloth.

Ona nema ni stolnjaka.

She makes the most delicious food,

Ona pravi jako ukusnu hranu

that's fresh from the herbs in the surrounding countryside.

koja je od sviježih biljaka iz okolice sela.

And so more and more walkers have come,

Tako da sve više i više šetača dolazi.

and lately she's begun to earn an income to support her family.

I skoro je počela da zarađuje platu

da pomaže familiji.

And so she told our team there, she said,

Rekla je našem timu tamo:

"You have made me visible

"Vi ste me napravili vidljivom

in a village where people were once ashamed to look at me."

u selu gdje su se ljudi prije stidjeli

da me pogledaju."

To je potencijal Ibrahimovog puta.

That's the potential of the Abraham Path.

There are literally hundreds of those kinds of communities

Stotine takvih zajednica postoje

na Bliskom Istoku, na ovom Putu.

across the Middle East, across the path.

The potential is basically to change the game.

Ovaj veliki potencijal bi mogao sve da promijeni.

And to change the game, you have to change the frame, the way we see things --

A za veliku promijenu je potrebno promijeniti naš pogled,

način na koji vidimo stvari -

to change the frame from hostility to hospitality,

a to je promijeniti naš pogled

sa neprijateljstva na gostoljubivost,

from terrorism to tourism.

sa terorizma na turizam.

And in that sense, the Abraham Path

I u tom smislu, Ibrahimov put

je ključna promjena.

is a game-changer.

Pokazaću vam samo jednu stvar.

Let me just show you one thing.

I have a little acorn here

Imam ovdje jedan žir

that I picked up while I was walking on the path earlier this year.

koji sam pokupio dok sam šetao na Putu

početkom ove godine.

Now, the acorn is associated with the oak tree, of course --

Žir je povezan sa hrastom, naravno -

izraste u hrastovo drvo,

grows into an oak tree, which is associated with Abraham.

koje je povezano sa Ibrahimom.

The path right now is like an acorn;

Put je trenutno kao žir;

it's still in its early phase.

još je u ranoj fazi rasta.

What would the oak tree look like?

Kako bi to hrastovo drvo izgledalo?

When I think back to my childhood,

Pa, sjetim se svog djetinjstva,

a good part of which I spent, after being born here in Chicago,

i dobrog dijela gdje sam ga proveo, poslije mog rođenja u Čikagu.

Proveo sam ga u Evropi.

I spent in Europe.

Da ste bili

If you had been in the ruins of, say, London in 1945, or Berlin,

u ruševinama, na primjer, Londona

u 1945. godini, ili u Berlinu,

and you had said,

i da ste tad rekli:

"Sixty years from now,

"60 godina u budućnosti

this is going to be the most peaceful, prosperous part of the planet,"

ovo će biti najmirniji,najnapredniji dio na planeti,"

ljudi bi pomislili

people would have thought you were certifiably insane.

da ste totalno poludjeli.

But they did it, thanks to a common identity, Europe,

Ali to je postignuto zahvaljujući zajedničkom identitetu - Evropi -

and a common economy.

i zajedničkoj ekonomiji.

So my question is, if it can be done in Europe,

Tako da je moje pitanje, ako je to moguće u Evropi,

why not in the Middle East?

zašto da ne na Bliskom Istoku?

Why not, thanks to a common identity, which is the story of Abraham,

Zašto da ne, zahvaljujući zajedničkom identitetu -

koji je priča o Ibrahimu -

and thanks to a common economy that would be based, in good part, on tourism?

i zahvaljujući zajedničkoj ekonomiji

koja bi u velikom dijelu bila zasnovana na turizmu?

So let me conclude, then,

I da onda zaključim

by saying that in the last 35 years,

govoreći da u zadnjih 35 godina

dok sam radio

as I've worked in some of the most dangerous,

na nekim od najopasnijih, najtežih i upornih

difficult and intractable conflicts around the planet,

konflikata širom planete,

I have yet to see one conflict that I felt could not be transformed.

još nisam vidio jedan konflikt

za koji bi osjećao da se ne bi mogao transformirati.

It's not easy, of course.

Nije jednostavno, naravno,

But it's possible.

ali je moguće.

It was done in South Africa.

Urađeno je u Južnoj Africi,

It was done in Northern Ireland.

urađeno je u Sjevernoj Irskoj.

It could be done anywhere.

Moguće je bilo gdje.

It simply depends on us.

Jednostavno zavisi od nas.

It depends on us taking the third side.

Zavisi od nas hoćemo li biti "treća strana".

Zato vas pozivam

So let me invite you to consider taking the third side,

da uzmete u obzir ulogu kao "treća strana",

even as a very small step.

bar kao jako mali korak.

We're about to take a break in a moment.

Sad ćemo imati pauzu.

Just go up to someone

Jednostavno priđite nekom

who's from a different culture, a different country,

ko je iz drugačije kulture, drugačije zemlje,

a different ethnicity -- some difference --

možda drugačije etničke pripadnosti,

and engage them in a conversation.

i uvedite je u razgovor; poslušajte.

Listen to them.

That's a third-side act.

To je dijelo "treće strane".

That's walking Abraham's Path.

To je hodati Ibrahimovim putem.

After a TED Talk,

Poslije TEDGovora,

why not a TED Walk?

zašto ne TEDŠetnja?

(Laughter)

I tako ostavljam vas

So let me just leave you with three things.

sa tri stvari.

Prva, tajna mira

One is, the secret to peace is the third side.

je "treća strana".

The third side is us.

"treća strana" smo mi,

svako od nas,

Each of us, with a single step,

sa jednim korakom,

can take the world, can bring the world

može uzeti i dovesti svijet,

a step closer to peace.

jedan korak bliže miru.

There's an old African proverb that goes:

Stara Afrička poslovica kaže:

"When spiderwebs unite,

"Kad se paukove mreže ujedine,

they can halt even the lion."

mogu zaustaviti čak i lava."

If we're able to unite our third-side webs of peace,

Ako smo u stanju da ujedinimo

naše "treće strane"-mreže mira,

mi čak možemo i da zaustavimo lava rata.

we can even halt the lion of war.

Puno vam hvala.

Thank you very much.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)