Mike Biddle: We can recycle plastic

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Translator: Helena Bedalli Reviewer: Amantia Gjikondi
00:15
I'm a garbage man.
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Une merrem me plehrat.
00:18
And you might find it interesting that I became a garbage man,
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Mund t'ju duket interesante qe u bera plehraxhi,
00:21
because I absolutely hate waste.
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sepse i urrej mbeturinat.
00:23
I hope, within the next 10 minutes,
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Shpresoj, qe ne 10 minutat qe vijne,
00:26
to change the way you think
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t'ju nderroj mendjen
00:28
about a lot of the stuff in your life.
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per nje shumice gjerash ne jeten tuaj.
00:30
And I'd like to start at the very beginning.
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Dëshiroj të filloj nga fillimi.
00:32
Think back when you were just a kid.
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Mendoni kur ju ishit vetëm nje fëmi.
00:34
How did look at the stuff in your life?
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Si i shikoni gjërat në jetën tuaj?
00:36
Perhaps it was like these toddler rules:
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Ndoshta ishte si këto rregullat e te vegjëlve:
00:40
It's my stuff if I saw it first.
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Është e imja nëse unë e pashë atë i pari.
00:43
The entire pile is my stuff if I'm building something.
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I tërë grumbulli është i imi në se unë po ndërtoj diçka.
00:47
The more stuff that's mine, the better.
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Më shumë gjëra të mijat aq më mirë.
00:50
And of course, it's your stuff if it's broken.
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Dhe natyrisht, gjerat tuaja nëse janë te prishura.
00:53
(Laughter)
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(Te qeshura)
00:55
Well after spending about 20 years in the recycling industry,
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E pra pasi shpenzova rreth 20 vjet në industrinë e riciklimit,
00:57
it's become pretty clear to me
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mu be shume e qarte
00:59
that we don't necessarily leave these toddler rules behind
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qe nuk i leme pas medoemos keto rregulla femijesh
01:01
as we develop into adults.
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kur rritemi.
01:03
And let me tell you why I have that perspective.
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Dhe më lejoni t'ju them se pse e kam këtë perspektivë.
01:05
Because each and every day
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Sepse cdo dite e me teper
01:07
at our recycling plants around the world
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në fabrikat tona te riciklimit në mbarë botën
01:09
we handle about one million pounds
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ne trajtojmë rreth 450 ton
01:12
of people's discarded stuff.
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gjëra të hedhura.
01:14
Now a million pounds a day sounds like a lot of stuff,
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Tani 450 ton në ditë tingëllon si shumë,
01:16
but it's a tiny drop of the durable goods
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por ajo është një pikë e vogël e mallrave
01:19
that are disposed each and every year around the world --
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që hidhen çdo vit në botë -
01:21
well less than one percent.
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dhe më pak se një përqind.
01:23
In fact, the United Nations estimates
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Në fakt, Kombet e Bashkuara vlerëson
01:25
that there's about 85 billion pounds a year
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qe ka mbi 40 milion ton ne vit
01:27
of electronics waste
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mbeturina elektronike
01:29
that gets discarded around the world each and every year --
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që hidhen poshtë çdo vit në botë
01:31
and that's one of the most rapidly growing parts of our waste stream.
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dhe kjo është një nga pjesët me rritje më të shpejtë të rrymës së mbeturinave.
01:34
And if you throw in other durable goods like automobiles and so forth,
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Dhe nëse ju hidhni mallra të tjera të qëndrueshme si makina etj,
01:37
that number well more than doubles.
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ky numer dyfishohet.
01:39
And of course, the more developed the country,
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Pa dyshim, sa me i zhvilluar vendi,
01:41
the bigger these mountains.
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aq me i madh malli i plehrave.
01:43
Now when you see these mountains,
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Kur i sheh keto male,
01:45
most people think of garbage.
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me e shumta e njerezve i shohin si plehra
01:47
We see above-ground mines.
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Ne i shohim si miniera mbi toke.
01:49
And the reason we see mines is because there's a lot of valuable raw materials
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Dhe arsyeja qe ne i shohim si miniera eshte se ka plot lende te pare te vlefshme
01:52
that went into making all of this stuff in the first place.
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që perdoren për t'i prodhuar këto gjera.
01:55
And it's becoming increasingly important
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Dhe po bëhet gjithnjë e më e rëndësishme
01:57
that we figure out how to extract these raw materials
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të gjejme se si të nxjerrim këto lëndë të para
02:00
from these extremely complicated waste streams.
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nga rrjedhat shumë të komplikuara të mbeturinave.
02:03
Because as we've heard all week at TED,
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Sepse sic e degjuam gjithe javen ne TED,
02:05
the world's getting to be a smaller place with more people in it
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bota po behet nje vend me i vogel me me shume njerez ne te
02:08
who want more and more stuff.
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qe duan gjithnje e me shume gjera.
02:10
And of course, they want the toys and the tools
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Dhe pa dyshim, ata duan lodrat dhe mjetet
02:13
that many of us take for granted.
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qe shume nga ne i marrim si te mireqena.
02:15
And what goes into making those toys and tools
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Dhe cfare duhet qe te behen keto lodra dhe mjete
02:18
that we use every single day?
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qe perdorim cdo dite?
02:20
It's mostly many types of plastics and many types of metals.
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Kryesisht disa lloje plastikash dhe disa lloje metalesh.
02:23
And the metals, we typically get
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Metalet i perftojme
02:26
from ore that we mine
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nga mineralet qe nxjerrim
02:28
in ever widening mines
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duke hapur miniera
02:30
and ever deepening mines around the world.
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e duke thelluar edhe me minierat rreth botes.
02:32
And the plastics, we get from oil,
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Plastiken e bejme nga nafta,
02:35
which we go to more remote locations
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per te cilen shkojme edhe me larg
02:37
and drill ever deeper wells to extract.
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dhe shpojme puse edhe me te thelle qe ta nxjerrim.
02:40
And these practices have
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Keto praktika kane
02:42
significant economic and environmental implications
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pasoja te rendesishme ekonomike dhe ambientale
02:45
that we're already starting to see today.
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qe kemi filluar t'i shikojme tashme.
02:48
The good news is we are starting to recover materials from our end-of-life stuff
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Nje lajm i mire eshte qe kemi filluar ti rimarrim materialet nga gjerat qe hedhim
02:51
and starting to recycle our end-of-life stuff,
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dhe te riciklojme gjerat qe hedhim,
02:53
particularly in regions of the world like here in Europe
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vecanerisht ne pjese te botes si ketu ne Evrope
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that have recycling policies in place
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te cilat kane ne fuqi politika te riciklimit
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that require that this stuff be recycled
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qe kerkojne qe keto gjera te riciklohen
03:01
in a responsible manner.
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ne menyre te pergjegjshme.
03:03
Most of what's extracted from our end-of-life stuff,
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Shumica e asaj që eshte nxjerre nga hedhurinat,
03:05
if it makes it to a recycler, are the metals.
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nese arrijne ta riciklojme, jane metalet.
03:08
To put that in perspective --
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Për t'a vënë atë në perspektivë--
03:10
and I'm using steel as a proxy here for metals,
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po përdor çelikun këtu si perfaqesues për metalet,
03:12
because it's the most common metal --
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sepse eshte metali me i zakonshem --
03:14
if your stuff makes it to a recycler,
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nese gjerat arrijne te riciklohen,
03:16
probably over 90 percent of the metals
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mbase mbi 90 përqind të metaleve
03:18
are going to be recovered and reused for another purpose.
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do te rikuperohen dhe riperdoren per dicka tjeter.
03:21
Plastics are a whole other story:
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Plastikat jane histori tjeter:
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well less than 10 percent are recovered.
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me pak se 10 perqind rikuperohet.
03:25
In fact, it's more like five percent.
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Ne fakt, kjo eshte me shume si 5 perqind.
03:27
Most of it's incinerated or landfilled.
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Shumica digjet ose shkarkohet.
03:29
Now most people think that's because plastics are a throw-away material,
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Shumica e njerezve besojne se kjo ndodh ngaqe plastika eshte material i hedhshem,
03:31
have very little value.
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ka vlere shume te vogel.
03:33
But actually, plastics are several times more valuable than steel.
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Por ne fakt, plastikat jane 3-4 here me te vlefshme se celiku.
03:36
And there's more plastics produced and consumed
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Dhe prodhohet e konsumohet me teper plastike
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around the world on a volume basis
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per nga volumi ne bote
03:40
every year than steel.
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cdo vit, sesa celik.
03:42
So why is such a plentiful and valuable material
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Pra, pse nje material kaq i vlefshem dhe i bollshem
03:45
not recovered at anywhere near the rate
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nuk rikuperohet aspak prane nivelit
03:47
of the less valuable material?
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te nje materiali me pak te vlefshem?
03:49
Well it's predominantly because
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Eshte kryesisht sepse
03:51
metals are very easy to recycle
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metalet jane te kollajshem te riciklohen
03:53
from other materials and from one another.
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nga materialet e tjera dhe nga njera-tjetra.
03:55
They have very different densities.
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Ato kane dendesi te ndryshme.
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They have different electrical and magnetic properties.
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Ata kane vecori te ndryshme elektrike dhe magnetike.
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And they even have different colors.
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Kane ngjyra te ndryshme.
04:01
So it's very easy for either humans or machines
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Keshtu qe eshte shume e lehte qofte per njerezit apo makinat
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to separate these metals
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ti ndajne keto metale
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from one another and from other materials.
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nga njeri tjetri dhe nga materialet e tjera.
04:08
Plastics have overlapping densities over a very narrow range.
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Dendesite e plastikave variojne shume pak nga njera tjetra.
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They have either identical or very similar
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Ato kane veti te njejta ose shume te ngjashme
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electrical and magnetic properties.
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elektrike dhe magnetike.
04:16
And any plastic can be any color,
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Plastika mund te jete ne cdo njgjyre
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as you probably well know.
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ju e dini shume mire.
04:20
So the traditional ways of separating materials
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Keshtu metodat tradicionale te ndarjes se materialeve
04:22
just simply don't work for plastics.
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nuk funksionojne per plastikat.
04:26
Another consequence of metals being so easy to recycle by humans
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Nje pasoje tjeter e faktit qe metalet jane te lehta per riciklim
04:29
is that a lot of our stuff from the developed world --
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eshte se shume nga gjerat nga bota e zhvilluar
04:32
and sadly to say, particularly from the United States,
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dhe e them me keqardhje, vecanerisht nga Sh.B.A,
04:35
where we don't have any recycling policies in place like here in Europe --
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ku nuk jane ne fuqi procedurat e riciklimit si ketu ne Evrope--
04:38
finds its way to developing countries
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perfundojne ne vendet ne zhvillim
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for low-cost recycling.
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per riciklim me kosto te ulet.
04:43
People, for as little as a dollar a day, pick through our stuff.
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Njerezit, per me pak se nje dollar ne dite, germojne ne grumbullin tone.
04:46
They extract what they can, which is mostly the metals --
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Ata nxjerrin cfare te mundin, kryesisht metalet--
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circuit boards and so forth --
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qarqet e stampuara e keshtu me radhe--
04:50
and they leave behind mostly what they can't recover,
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dhe lene mbrapa ato qe s'arrijne ti marrin,
04:52
which is, again, mostly the plastics.
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qe jane, prape, kryesisht plastikat.
04:55
Or they burn the plastics to get to the metals
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Ose i djegin plastikat te nxjerrin metalet
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in burn houses like you see here.
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ne shtepite e djegura si keto qe shihni.
05:00
And they extract the metals by hand.
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Dhe i nxjerrin metalet me duar.
05:04
Now while this may be the low-economic-cost solution,
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Ndersa kjo mund te jete zgjidhja me kosto te ulet,
05:07
this is certainly not the low-environmental
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kjo pa dyshim nuk eshte zgjidhja me impakt me te ulet ambjental
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or human health-and-safety solution.
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apo ndaj shendetit dhe sigurise se njerezve.
05:12
I call this environmental arbitrage.
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Une kesaj i them, te besh pazar me ambjentin.
05:15
And it's not fair, it's not safe
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Kjo nuk eshte e drejte, eshte e pasigurt
05:18
and it's not sustainable.
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dhe nuk eshte e qendrueshme.
05:21
Now because the plastics are so plentiful --
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Ngaqe plastikat jane me bollek--
05:23
and by the way,
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dhe meqe ra fjala,
05:25
those other methods don't lead to the recovery of plastics, obviously --
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eshte e qarte qe, ato metodat e tjera nuk ndihmojne per rikuperimin e plastikave,
05:27
but people do try to recover the plastics.
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por njerezit perpiqen ti rikuperojne plastikat.
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This is just one example.
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Ky eshte vetem nje shembull.
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This is a photo I took standing on the rooftops
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Kjo eshte nje foto qe bera kur qendroja ne maje te cative
05:33
of one of the largest slums in the world in Mumbai, India.
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te njeres nga lagjet e varfra me te medha ne bote ne Mumbai, Indi.
05:36
They store the plastics on the roofs.
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Ata e magazinojne plastiken mbi cati.
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They bring them below those roofs into small workshops like these,
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I sjellin ne keto punishtet si keto,
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and people try very hard to separate the plastics,
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dhe njerezit perpiqen shume ti vecojne plastikat,
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by color, by shape, by feel,
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nga ngjyra, forma, ndjesia,
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by any technique they can.
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me cdo teknike qe munden.
05:48
And sometimes they'll resort to what's known as the "burn and sniff" technique
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Dhe, ndonjehere ata do t'i drejtohen teknikes "digj e nuhat"
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where they'll burn the plastic and smell the fumes
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ku e djegin plastiken dhe nuhasin tymin
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to try to determine the type of plastic.
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per te percaktuar llojin.
05:55
None of these techniques result in any amount of recycling
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Asnje nga keto teknika nuk rezulton ne ndonje sasi riciklimi
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in any significant way.
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ne menyre te konsiderueshme.
06:00
And by the way,
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Dhe, meqe ra fjala,
06:02
please don't try this technique at home.
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ju lutem mos e provoni kete teknike ne shtepi.
06:04
So what are we to do about this space-age material,
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Pra, c'te bejme me kete material te epokes kozmike,
06:07
at least what we used to call a space-aged material, these plastics?
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te pakten ate qe quanim material te epokes kozmike, keto plastika?
06:10
Well I certainly believe that it's far too valuable and far too abundant
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Une jam i bindur qe eshte tejet i vlefshem dhe tejet i bollshem
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to keep putting back in the ground
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per te vazhduar ta groposim
06:15
or certainly send up in smoke.
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apo ta djegim.
06:17
So about 20 years ago, I literally started in my garage tinkering around,
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Keshtu para 20 vjetesh, une fillova te eksperimentoja ne garazhin tim,
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trying to figure out how to separate
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per te kuptuar se si te ndaja
06:22
these very similar materials from each other,
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keto materiale shume te ngjashme nga njera-tjetra,
06:24
and eventually enlisted a lot of my friends,
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dhe me kohe rekrutova shume nga miqte e mi,
06:27
in the mining world actually, and in the plastics world,
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te sektoreve te minierave dhe plastikave,
06:30
and we started going around to mining laboratories around the world.
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dhe filluam te shkojme ne laboratoret e minierave ne te gjithe boten.
06:33
Because after all, we're doing above-ground mining.
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Sepse në fund të fundit, ne po shfrytezonim minierat mbi toke.
06:36
And we eventually broke the code.
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Me ne fund ne zbuluam kodin.
06:38
This is the last frontier of recycling.
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Kjo eshte zona e pashkelur e fundit e riciklimit.
06:40
It's the last major material
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Eshte materiali i fundit i rendesishem
06:42
to be recovered in any significant amount on the Earth.
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per t'u rikuperuar ne sasi te konsiderueshme mbi Toke.
06:44
And we finally figured out how to do it.
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Me ne fund ne e kuptuam si behet.
06:46
And in the process, we started recreating
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Dhe ne proces, ne filluam te rikrijojme
06:48
how the plastics industry makes plastics.
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si industria e plastikes prodhon plastiken.
06:50
The traditional way to make plastics
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Menyra tradicionale e prodhimit te plastikes
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is with oil or petrochemicals.
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perdor nafte ose produkte petrokimike.
06:54
You breakdown the molecules, you recombine them in very specific ways,
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I shperben molekulave, i rikombinon ato ne menyra shume specifike,
06:57
to make all the wonderful plastics that we enjoy each and every day.
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per te prodhuar gjithe keto plastika te mrekullueshme qe gezojme cdo dite.
07:00
We said, there's got to be a more sustainable way to make plastics.
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Ne thame, duhet te kete nje menyre me te qendrueshme per te prodhuar plastikat.
07:03
And not just sustainable from an environmental standpoint,
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Dhe te qendrueshme jo vetem nga pikpamja ambjentale,
07:06
sustainable from an economic standpoint as well.
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te qendrueshme nga pikpamja ekonomike po ashtu.
07:09
Well a good place to start is with waste.
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Nje vend i mire per te filluar jane mbeturinat
07:11
It certainly doesn't cost as much as oil,
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Pa dyshim nuk kushton aq shume sa nafta,
07:13
and it's plentiful,
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dhe ka me bollek,
07:15
as I hope that you've been able to see from the photographs.
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sic arritet te shihni, shpresoj
07:17
And because we're not breaking down the plastic into molecules
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Dhe meqe nuk i shperbejme plastikat ne molekula
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and recombining them,
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dhe t'i rikombinojme,
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we're using a mining approach to extract the materials.
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ne perdorim metoden e minieres per te mbledhur materialet.
07:24
We have significantly lower capital costs
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Ne kemi kosto kapitale shume me te ulet
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in our plant equipment.
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ne pajisjet e fabrikes.
07:28
We have enormous energy savings.
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Kemi kursim energjie te pamase.
07:30
I don't know how many other projects on the planet right now
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Nuk e di se sa projekte te tjera ne planet ne kete kohe
07:32
can save 80 to 90 percent of the energy
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mund te kursejne 80 deri 90 perqind te energjise
07:35
compared to making something the traditional way.
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krahasuar me metoden tradicionale te prodhimit.
07:37
And instead of plopping down several hundred million dollars
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Dhe në vend të harxhojme qindra milionë dollarë
07:39
to build a chemical plant
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për të ndërtuar një fabrikë kimike
07:41
that will only make one type of plastic for its entire life,
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që do të prodhojë vetëm një lloj plastike në jetën e saj
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our plants can make any type of plastic we feed them.
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fabrika jonë mund të prodhojë çdo lloj plastike me te cilen e furnizojme ate.
07:47
And we make a drop-in replacement
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Dhe kalimthi kemi bërë zëvendësimin
07:49
for that plastic that's made from petrochemicals.
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per plastikën që bëhet nga produktet petrokimike.
07:51
Our customers get to enjoy
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Konsumatorët tanë përfitojnë
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huge CO2 savings.
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kursime të mëdha te CO2.
07:55
They get to close the loop with their products.
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Ata mund të mbyllin ciklin me prodhimet e tyre.
07:57
And they get to make more sustainable products.
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Dhe ata marrin për të bërë produktet më të qëndrueshme.
07:59
In the short time period I have,
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Ne keto pak minuta qe kam ne dispozicion
08:01
I want to show you a little bit of a sense about how we do this.
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dua t'ju jap nje ide se si e bejme kete
08:04
It starts with metal recyclers who shred our stuff into very small bits.
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Fillon me ricikluesit e metalit qe grijne gjerat ne copa shume te vogla.
08:07
They recover the metals
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Ata rikuperojne metalet
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and leave behind what's called shredder residue -- it's their waste --
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dhe lene mbrapa ate qe quhet mbetje e grimcuar- mbeturinat e tyre-
08:11
a very complex mixture of materials,
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nje perzierje mjaft komplekse materialesh,
08:13
but predominantly plastics.
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por e mbizoteruar nga plastikat.
08:15
We take out the things that aren't plastics,
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Ne heqim ato qe s'jane plastika,
08:17
such as the metals they missed, carpeting, foam, rubber,
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si metale te mbetura, mokete, sfungjer, gome,
08:20
wood, glass, paper, you name it.
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dru, qelq, leter, lloj lloj gjerash.
08:23
Even an occasional dead animal, unfortunately.
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Bile edhe ndonje kafshe te ngordhur, per fat te keq.
08:25
And it goes in the first part of our process here, which is more like traditional recycling.
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Dhe kjo shkon në pjesën e parë të procesit tonë këtu, e cila ngjan me riciklimin tradicional.
08:28
We're sieving the material, we're using magnets,
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Ne seleksionojme materialin, perdorim magnetet,
08:30
we're using air classification.
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perdorim ndares me ajer.
08:32
It looks like the Willy Wonka factory at this point.
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Kjo ne kete pike duket si fabrika Willy Wonka.
08:34
At the end of this process, we have a mixed plastic composite:
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Ne fund te procesit ne perfitojme nje kompozite:
08:37
many different types of plastics
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plastike te tipeve shume te ndryshme
08:39
and many different grades of plastics.
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dhe te gradeve shume te ndryshme.
08:41
This goes into the more sophisticated part of our process,
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Tashme kjo shkon drejt pjeses me te sofistikuar te procesit,
08:43
and the really hard work, multi-step separation process begins.
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dhe puna me e veshtire, fillon procesi i ndarjes ne shume faza.
08:47
We grind the plastic down to about the size of your small fingernail.
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E grijme plastiken ne copa sa thoi i gishtit te vogel.
08:50
We use a very highly automated process
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Perdorim nje proces shume te automatizuar
08:52
to sort those plastics,
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per ti ndare keto plastika,
08:54
not only by type, but by grade.
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jo vetem nga lloji, por dhe nga grada.
08:56
And out the end of that part of the process
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Dhe ne fund te kesaj pjese te procesit
08:58
come little flakes of plastic:
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dalin copeza te vogla plastike:
09:00
one type, one grade.
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te nje tipi, nje grade.
09:02
We then use optical sorting to color sort this material.
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Me pas perdorim seleksionim optik per ngjyrat.
09:05
We blend it in 50,000-lb. blending silos.
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E perziejme ne kulla perzierese 25 toneshe.
09:08
We push that material to extruders where we melt it,
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E kalojme kete material ne furra ku e shkrijme,
09:11
push it through small die holes,
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e kalojme neper vrima te vogla,
09:13
make spaghetti-like plastic strands.
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ku behet si fije spageti plastike.
09:15
And we chop those strands
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I presim keto fije
09:17
into what are called pellets.
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ne ato qe quhen fisheke.
09:19
And this becomes the currency of the plastics industry.
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Dhe kjo bëhet monedha e industrisë së plastikës.
09:23
This is the same material
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Ky eshte i njejti material
09:26
that you would get from oil.
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qe mund te merret nga nafta.
09:28
And today,
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Dhe sot,
09:30
we're producing it from your old stuff,
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ne e prodhojme nga sendet e vjetra,
09:33
and it's going right back into your new stuff.
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dhe shkon drejtperdrejt tek gjerat e reja.
09:36
(Applause)
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09:45
So now, instead of your stuff ending up
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Pra, ne vend qe gjerat te perfundojne
09:47
on a hillside in a developing country
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ne mallin e plehrave ne vendet ne zhvillim,
09:49
or literally going up in smoke,
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apo tu vihet zjarri,
09:51
you can find your old stuff
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ti e gjen gjene e vjeter
09:53
back on top of your desk in new products,
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perseri mbi tavoline tek sendet e reja,
09:56
in your office,
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ne zyre,
09:58
or back at work in your home.
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apo ne shtepi.
10:00
And these are just a few examples
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Keta jane vetem pak shembuj
10:02
of companies that are buying our plastic,
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te kompanive qe blejne plastiken tone,
10:04
replacing virgin plastic,
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duke zevendesuar plastiken e paperdorur,
10:06
to make their new products.
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per te bere produktet e tyre.
10:08
So I hope I've changed the way you look at
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Shpresoj qe kam ndryshuar menyren se si i shikoni
10:10
at least some of the stuff in your life.
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te pakten disa nga gjerat ne jeten tuaj.
10:12
We took our clues from mother nature.
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Ne i morem idete nga mema natyre.
10:14
Mother nature wastes very little,
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Ajo shperdoron shume pak,
10:16
reuses practically everything.
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riperdor praktikisht cdo gje.
10:18
And I hope that you stop looking at yourself as a consumer --
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Shpresoj qe ju s'do ta shihni me veten si konsumator-
10:21
that's a label I've always hated my entire life --
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kjo eshte nje etikete qe e kam urryer gjithe jeten-
10:24
and think of yourself as just using resources in one form,
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dhe te mendoni se si mund t'i perdorni burimet ne nje forme
10:28
until they can be transformed to another form
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derisa ato te mund te transformohen ne nje forme tjeter
10:30
for another use later in time.
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per perdorim te mevonshem.
10:32
And finally, I hope you agree with me
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Ne fund, shpresoj qe ju jeni dakort
10:35
to change that last toddler rule just a little bit
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te ndryshojme pak ate rregullen e fundit te femijeve
10:38
to: "If it's broken, it's my stuff."
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ne: "Nese eshte e prishur, eshte e imja."
10:41
Thank you for your time.
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Faleminderit per kohen tuaj.
10:43
(Applause)
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