The art of choosing | Sheena Iyengar | TED

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翻译人员: Jenny Yang 校对人员: Guo Tang
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Today, I'm going to take you
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今天, 我要带大家
00:24
around the world in 18 minutes.
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在十八分钟的时间里环游世界。
00:26
My base of operations is in the U.S.,
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美国是这次旅程的起点。
00:29
but let's start at the other end of the map,
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但让我们从地图的另一端出发
00:31
in Kyoto, Japan,
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- 日本京都
00:33
where I was living with a Japanese family
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在那儿我和一个日本当地家庭生活在一起
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while I was doing part of my dissertational research
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当时我正在做博士毕业论文的相关研究
00:38
15 years ago.
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这是十五年前的事了。
00:41
I knew even then that I would encounter
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那时候我就知道我肯定会遭遇
00:43
cultural differences and misunderstandings,
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文化差异和误解,
00:45
but they popped up when I least expected it.
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但它们却是在我毫无准备的情形下发生了。
00:48
On my first day,
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我到那儿的第一天,
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I went to a restaurant,
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去了一家餐厅,
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and I ordered a cup of green tea with sugar.
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点了一杯加糖的绿茶。
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After a pause, the waiter said,
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那个服务生顿了一下说,
00:56
"One does not put sugar in green tea."
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“我们这里喝绿茶都不加糖。”
01:00
"I know," I said. "I'm aware of this custom.
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“我知道。”我说,“我知道这个习俗。
01:02
But I really like my tea sweet."
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但是我想要喝甜的绿茶。”
01:05
In response, he gave me an even more courteous version
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听到我的回答,他用更礼貌的语气对我
01:08
of the same explanation.
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又解释了一遍同样的意思。
01:10
"One does not put sugar
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我们从来不在绿茶里
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in green tea."
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加糖。
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"I understand," I said,
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“我明白,”我说,
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"that the Japanese do not put sugar in their green tea,
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“我明白日本人从来不在绿茶里加糖。
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but I'd like to put some sugar
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但是我就想放点糖
01:21
in my green tea."
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在我的绿茶里。”
01:23
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:25
Surprised by my insistence,
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服务生被我的执着震住了,
01:27
the waiter took up the issue with the manager.
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他把此事告诉了店经理
01:29
Pretty soon,
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不一会儿,
01:31
a lengthy discussion ensued,
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开始了一个很长的讨论
01:33
and finally the manager came over to me and said,
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最后店经理走过来对我说,
01:36
"I am very sorry. We do not have sugar."
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”非常抱歉。我们店里没有糖。“
01:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:41
Well, since I couldn't have my tea the way I wanted it,
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好吧,既然喝不到想喝的加糖绿茶,
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I ordered a cup of coffee,
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我只好另点了一杯咖啡,
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which the waiter brought over promptly.
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这次服务生很快就端过来了。
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Resting on the saucer
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只见茶托上赫然躺着
01:50
were two packets of sugar.
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两小包糖。
01:53
My failure to procure myself
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我没能给自己点到
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a cup of sweet, green tea
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一杯加糖绿茶
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was not due to a simple misunderstanding.
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并不是因为简单的误解。
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This was due to a fundamental difference
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而是因为对于选择这个概念
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in our ideas about choice.
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我们存在根本的认识差异。
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From my American perspective,
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从我作为一个美国人的视角,
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when a paying customer makes a reasonable request
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当顾客提出合理要求
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based on her preferences,
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出于个人喜好,
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she has every right to have that request met.
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她就有权利让自己的要求得到满足。
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The American way, to quote Burger King,
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这种美式作风,用汉堡王的话来说,
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is to "have it your way,"
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就是“吃出你的自己的方式”
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because, as Starbucks says,
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因为,正如星巴克所说,
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"happiness is in your choices."
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“快乐尽在你的选择中。"
02:23
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:25
But from the Japanese perspective,
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但在日本人眼里,
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it's their duty to protect those who don't know any better --
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他们有责任保护不知好歹的人
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:33
in this case, the ignorant gaijin --
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也就是我这个无知的外国人(注:日语外人)--
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from making the wrong choice.
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做出错误的选择。
02:38
Let's face it: the way I wanted my tea
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这么说吧,我要在绿茶里放糖这种方式
02:40
was inappropriate according to cultural standards,
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在日本的文化标准中是不恰当的,
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and they were doing their best to help me save face.
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他们只是尽最大努力帮我保住面子。
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Americans tend to believe
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而美国人则认为
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that they've reached some sort of pinnacle
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在实行选择这件事上,
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in the way they practice choice.
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他们已经做到最巅峰了。
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They think that choice, as seen through the American lens
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他们认为以美国人的视角做出的选择
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best fulfills an innate and universal
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最能满足人类对选择的
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desire for choice in all humans.
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本性和普遍性的欲望。
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Unfortunately,
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不幸的是,
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these beliefs are based on assumptions
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这种观点是建立在一种假设上的
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that don't always hold true
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而这些假设在不同文化不同国家里
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in many countries, in many cultures.
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并不总是成立的。
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At times they don't even hold true
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甚至有时候在美国本土
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at America's own borders.
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都不一定成立。
03:13
I'd like to discuss some of these assumptions
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我想探讨其中一些假设
03:15
and the problems associated with them.
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以及引申而来的一些问题。
03:18
As I do so, I hope you'll start thinking
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我希望在我进行的同时,大家也能开始想想
03:20
about some of your own assumptions
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你们自己的一些假设
03:22
and how they were shaped by your backgrounds.
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以及它们在你个人背景影响下是如何形成的
03:25
First assumption:
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第一个假设:
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if a choice affects you,
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如果一个选择影响你,
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then you should be the one to make it.
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那么该选择应当由你本人做出。
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This is the only way to ensure
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这是唯一的办法来保证
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that your preferences and interests
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你自己的偏好和兴趣
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will be most fully accounted for.
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被最大限度的纳入考虑。
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It is essential for success.
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这是成功的基本。
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In America, the primary locus of choice
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在美国,选择的主要焦点
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is the individual.
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在于个人。
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People must choose for themselves, sometimes sticking to their guns,
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人们必须为自己选择,有时甚至于固执己见地
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regardless of what other people want or recommend.
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不管其他人想要什么或推荐什么。
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It's called "being true to yourself."
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这叫“对自己真实。”
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But do all individuals benefit
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但是不是所有人都从
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from taking such an approach to choice?
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这种选择的方式中获益呢?
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Mark Lepper and I did a series of studies
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马克 莱珀和我进行了一系列研究
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in which we sought the answer to this very question.
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来寻求这个问题的答案。
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In one study,
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在其中的一项研究中,
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which we ran in Japantown, San Francisco,
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在旧金山的日本城展开
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we brought seven- to nine-year-old Anglo- and Asian-American children
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我们把7至9岁的英裔美国籍和亚裔美国籍儿童
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into the laboratory,
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带进了实验室
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and we divided them up into three groups.
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并将其分成三组。
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The first group came in,
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第一组进来,
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and they were greeted by Miss Smith,
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由史密斯小姐迎接他们,
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who showed them six big piles of anagram puzzles.
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并给他们看了六张字谜。
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The kids got to choose which pile of anagrams they would like to do,
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孩子们可以选择自己喜欢的拼字图来完成。
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and they even got to choose which marker
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他们还可以选择用哪只水笔
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they would write their answers with.
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把答案写下来。
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When the second group of children came in,
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当第二组孩子进来时,
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they were brought to the same room, shown the same anagrams,
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他们被带到同一个房间,展示同样的字谜游戏。
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but this time Miss Smith told them
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不过这次史密斯小姐告诉他们
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which anagrams to do
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该做哪个拼字图
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and which markers to write their answers with.
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该用哪只水笔写答案。
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Now when the third group came in,
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第三个小组进来,
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they were told that their anagrams and their markers
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他们被告知做哪个拼字图得用哪只水笔
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had been chosen by their mothers.
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已经由他们的妈妈决定好了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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In reality,
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现实中,
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the kids who were told what to do,
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那些被告知该做什么的孩子,
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whether by Miss Smith or their mothers,
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不管是史密斯小姐还是他们的妈妈做的选择,
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were actually given the very same activity,
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实际上做出了和
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which their counterparts in the first group
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第一组自由选择的孩子们
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had freely chosen.
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做出了完全一致的行为。
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With this procedure, we were able to ensure
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在这个过程中,我们可以保证
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that the kids across the three groups
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三组的孩子
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all did the same activity,
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都进行相同的活动,
05:11
making it easier for us to compare performance.
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使我们更容易比较他们的行为
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Such small differences in the way we administered the activity
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我们管理时的细微差异
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yielded striking differences
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在他们实际行为中
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in how well they performed.
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引起了显著的不同。
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Anglo-Americans,
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英裔美国籍的孩子们,
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they did two and a half times more anagrams
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做了两点五倍更多的拼图
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when they got to choose them,
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当他们可以(自己)进行选择时,
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as compared to when it was
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相对于
05:30
chosen for them by Miss Smith or their mothers.
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史密斯小姐或妈妈们为他们作出选择时。
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It didn't matter who did the choosing,
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不论是谁作出的选择
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if the task was dictated by another,
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如果这任务已经被他人所强制,
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their performance suffered.
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他们的表现就会受损。
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In fact, some of the kids were visibly embarrassed
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事实上,一些孩子面露尴尬
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when they were told that their mothers had been consulted.
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当他们得知已经同他们的妈妈商讨过了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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One girl named Mary said,
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一个叫玛丽的孩子说
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"You asked my mother?"
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“你真的问了我妈妈?”
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:55
In contrast,
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相比之下,
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Asian-American children
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亚裔的孩子们
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performed best when they believed
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当他们相信他们妈妈作了选择时
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their mothers had made the choice,
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表现得最好,
06:04
second best when they chose for themselves,
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第二好的是当他们自己作选择时
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and least well when it had been chosen by Miss Smith.
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最差的则是当史密斯小姐告诉他们时
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A girl named Natsumi
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一个叫夏实的女孩
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even approached Miss Smith as she was leaving the room
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甚至在史密斯小姐要离开房间时
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and tugged on her skirt and asked,
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拉住她的裙角问,
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"Could you please tell my mommy
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”你可以告诉我妈妈
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I did it just like she said?"
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我照她的话乖乖做了吗?“
06:22
The first-generation children were strongly influenced
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这些“第一代”(父母都为移民)的孩子
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by their immigrant parents'
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受到了他们父母选择
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approach to choice.
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的强烈影响
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For them, choice was not just a way
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对他们来说,选择不仅是一种
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of defining and asserting
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展现自我的
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their individuality,
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途径
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but a way to create community and harmony
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更是一种建立社群使人相处融洽的过程
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by deferring to the choices
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通过服从他们
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of people whom they trusted and respected.
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所信任和尊敬的人作出的选择。
06:42
If they had a concept of being true to one's self,
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如果他们有一种对自我真实的观点
06:45
then that self, most likely,
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那么这个自我,在很多情况下
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[was] composed, not of an individual,
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不是以个人为出发点
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but of a collective.
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而是以集体作为出发点
06:51
Success was just as much about pleasing key figures
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成功意味着满足一些重要人物
06:54
as it was about satisfying
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和满足
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one's own preferences.
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自己的偏爱。
06:58
Or, you could say that
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或者你可以这样认为,
07:00
the individual's preferences were shaped
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个人偏好的形成是根据
07:02
by the preferences of specific others.
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其他人偏好的影响。
07:06
The assumption then that we do best
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有这样一个假设,我们将做到最好
07:08
when the individual self chooses
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当个人为自己做选择时
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only holds
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只维持在
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when that self
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当自我同他人
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is clearly divided from others.
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明显区分开的情况下。
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When, in contrast,
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相对的,
07:19
two or more individuals
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当两个或两人以上的个人
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see their choices and their outcomes
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发现他们的选择和结果
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as intimately connected,
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非常的相近时
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then they may amplify one another's success
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他们则有可能放大自己的成就
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by turning choosing
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通过把选择
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into a collective act.
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转变成一种集团行为。
07:32
To insist that they choose independently
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要保持他们做出独立的选择,
07:35
might actually compromise
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事实上需要
07:37
both their performance
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他们的表现
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and their relationships.
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和他们的关系相互妥协。
07:41
Yet that is exactly what
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这恰恰就是
07:43
the American paradigm demands.
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美国最需要的典范行为。
07:45
It leaves little room for interdependence
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这种典范忽略了相互独立
07:48
or an acknowledgment of individual fallibility.
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以及对个人过失的承认。
07:51
It requires that everyone treat choice
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它让每个人把选择
07:54
as a private and self-defining act.
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当成一种私人的和自我界定的行为。
07:58
People that have grown up in such a paradigm
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一直依据这样的典范成长的人们
08:00
might find it motivating,
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可能会认为这就是动机.
08:02
but it is a mistake to assume
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但这是错误的
08:04
that everyone thrives under the pressure
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去假设每个人都能够在独自选择的压力下
08:06
of choosing alone.
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茁壮成长。
08:09
The second assumption which informs the American view of choice
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第二个对美国选择观的假设
08:12
goes something like this.
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则是这样的。
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The more choices you have,
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你拥有的选择越多,
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the more likely you are
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你就越有可能
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to make the best choice.
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做出最好的选择。
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So bring it on, Walmart, with 100,000 different products,
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所以呢,沃尔玛超市里就会有十万种不同的商品,
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and Amazon, with 27 million books
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亚马逊网站有两千七百万册的书
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and Match.com with -- what is it? --
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交友网站有--什么来着--
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15 million date possibilities now.
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目前可能有一千五百万的约会机会。
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You will surely find the perfect match.
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你一定可以在上面找到真爱。
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Let's test this assumption
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让我们在东欧
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by heading over to Eastern Europe.
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验证一下这个假设。
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Here, I interviewed people
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在那儿,我采访了一些人
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who were residents of formerly communist countries,
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他们都曾是共产主义国家的居民,
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who had all faced the challenge
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都曾经历过
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of transitioning to a more
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向民主和资本主义社会的过渡
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democratic and capitalistic society.
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所带来的挑战。
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One of the most interesting revelations
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其中最有意思的启示
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came not from an answer to a question,
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并不是来自访谈过程,
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but from a simple gesture of hospitality.
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而是来自一个款待客人的简单行为。
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When the participants arrived for their interview,
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当访谈对象到了之后,
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I offered them a set of drinks:
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我给他们提供了一些饮料,
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Coke, Diet Coke, Sprite --
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可乐、无糖可乐、雪碧等--
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seven, to be exact.
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准确地来讲有七种。
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During the very first session,
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在第一部分
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which was run in Russia,
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在对俄罗斯进行访谈时,
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one of the participants made a comment
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其中一个参与者的一个意见
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that really caught me off guard.
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让我大吃一惊。
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"Oh, but it doesn't matter.
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“哦,没关系的,
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It's all just soda. That's just one choice."
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反正都是汽水,都是一种选择啦。”
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(Murmuring)
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(议论声)
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I was so struck by this comment that from then on,
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对这句话我真感到惊讶,于是在接下来对象中,
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I started to offer all the participants
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我开始为访谈者提供
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those seven sodas,
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这七种汽水。
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and I asked them, "How many choices are these?"
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然后我问他们:“这里有多少种选择呢?”
09:32
Again and again,
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一次又一次的,
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they perceived these seven different sodas,
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他们认为这七种汽水,
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not as seven choices, but as one choice:
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不是七种选择,而是一种选择:
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soda or no soda.
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汽水或非汽水饮料。
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When I put out juice and water
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我又另外加了果汁和水
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in addition to these seven sodas,
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除这七种汽水之外,
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now they perceived it as only three choices --
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这会儿他们认为有三种选择
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juice, water and soda.
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果汁、水和汽水。
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Compare this to the die-hard devotion of many Americans,
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这让许多顽固死硬的美国人来辨别,
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not just to a particular flavor of soda,
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依据的就不仅仅是口味不同的汽水了,
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but to a particular brand.
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还有不同的牌子。
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You know, research shows repeatedly
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调查反复证明
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that we can't actually tell the difference
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我们其实并不能真正辨别出
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between Coke and Pepsi.
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可口可乐和百事可乐有什么区别。
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Of course, you and I know
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当然,大家都明白,
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that Coke is the better choice.
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可口可乐是更好的选择。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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For modern Americans who are exposed
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对现代的美国人来说,
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to more options and more ads associated with options
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他们面对的选项最多,
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than anyone else in the world,
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面对的广告带来的选择也最多,
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choice is just as much about who they are
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选择表现了他们是谁
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as it is about what the product is.
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正如不同的产品一样。
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Combine this with the assumption that more choices are always better,
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与第二个假设结合起来看,越多选择总是越好的,
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and you have a group of people for whom every little difference matters
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于是你能找到一群人,对他们来说,每一个小小的区别都很重要,
10:34
and so every choice matters.
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也因此每一个选择都很重要。
10:36
But for Eastern Europeans,
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但对东欧人而言,
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the sudden availability of all these
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突然那么多的产品
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consumer products on the marketplace was a deluge.
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如洪水般充斥着消费市场。
10:44
They were flooded with choice
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在他们抗议自己还没学会游泳之前,
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before they could protest that they didn't know how to swim.
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就已经被大量的选择淹没了。
10:50
When asked, "What words and images
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当被问及“选择会令你联想到什么
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do you associate with choice?"
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词语和印象时?“
10:54
Grzegorz from Warsaw said,
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来自华沙的格雷戈尔说:
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"Ah, for me it is fear.
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“啊,对我来说是害怕。
10:59
There are some dilemmas you see.
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有很多进退两难的问题。
11:01
I am used to no choice."
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我习惯没有选择。”
11:03
Bohdan from Kiev said,
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来自基辅的布丹,
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in response to how he felt about
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他针对新的消费市场,
11:07
the new consumer marketplace,
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做出的回应则是:
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"It is too much.
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"太多了。
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We do not need everything that is there."
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我们不需要那么多东西。"
11:13
A sociologist from
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一个来自华沙研究机构
11:15
the Warsaw Survey Agency explained,
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的社会学家解释到:
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"The older generation jumped from nothing
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”这里上一代的人是从“
11:21
to choice all around them.
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没有选择的时代过来的。
11:23
They were never given a chance to learn
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他们从来没有机会学习
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how to react."
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如何对外界的选择做出反应。”
11:27
And Tomasz, a young Polish man said,
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来自波兰的年轻人汤马士说,
11:30
"I don't need twenty kinds of chewing gum.
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我不需要二十种口香糖。“
11:33
I don't mean to say that I want no choice,
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我并不是说我不需要选择。
11:36
but many of these choices are quite artificial."
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但这些选择中,有很多是刻意制造的。”
11:40
In reality, many choices are between things
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现实中,很多的选择,
11:43
that are not that much different.
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存在于并无明显差异的东西之间。
11:47
The value of choice
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选择的价值
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depends on our ability
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基于我们识别
11:51
to perceive differences
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各种选择之不同的
11:53
between the options.
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能力。
11:55
Americans train their whole lives
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美国人的一生都在接受
11:57
to play "spot the difference."
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”识别差异“的训练。
12:00
They practice this from such an early age
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他们从小就开始练习做选择,
12:02
that they've come to believe that everyone
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便不由得相信这种能力
12:04
must be born with this ability.
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是与生俱来的。
12:06
In fact, though all humans share
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事实上,尽管所有人
12:08
a basic need and desire for choice,
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在“选择”上都有基本的需要和欲望,
12:11
we don't all see choice in the same places
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但是我们认识选择时的角度
12:14
or to the same extent.
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和程度都是不同的。
12:16
When someone can't see how one choice
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当有些人无法识辨一个选择
12:18
is unlike another,
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和另一个选择有什么区别时,
12:20
or when there are too many choices to compare and contrast,
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或者得在许多的选择间做出类比,
12:23
the process of choosing can be
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这种选择的过程可能是
12:25
confusing and frustrating.
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令人困惑的甚至感到沮丧的。
12:28
Instead of making better choices,
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这时,我们非但不能做出最佳选择,
12:30
we become overwhelmed by choice,
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反倒被选择给打垮了,
12:32
sometimes even afraid of it.
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有时甚至会害怕做出选择。
12:35
Choice no longer offers opportunities,
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选择不再是提供机遇,
12:37
but imposes constraints.
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反而是来增加限制。
12:39
It's not a marker of liberation,
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(选择)不再是一支书写自由的笔,
12:41
but of suffocation
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反而被一些毫无意义的琐碎小事
12:43
by meaningless minutiae.
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给扼制了。
12:45
In other words,
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换句话说,
12:47
choice can develop into the very opposite
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选择可以向它所代表的反面
12:49
of everything it represents
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发展
12:51
in America
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在美国
12:53
when it is thrust upon those
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当选择突然扔到
12:55
who are insufficiently prepared for it.
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那些没有准备好的人面前时是这样。
12:58
But it is not only other people
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但是不仅仅是其他地方
13:00
in other places
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的人们会感到
13:02
that are feeling the pressure
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纷纷而至的选择
13:04
of ever-increasing choice.
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所带来的压抑。
13:06
Americans themselves are discovering
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美国人自己也发现
13:08
that unlimited choice
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无限的选择
13:10
seems more attractive in theory
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似乎在理论上要比在实际中
13:12
than in practice.
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更具有吸引力
13:14
We all have physical, mental
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我们都有肉体上、精神上
13:17
and emotional (Laughter) limitations
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和情感上的局限
13:19
that make it impossible for us
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这使得我们不可能处理
13:21
to process every single choice we encounter,
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接触到的每一个微小的选择。
13:24
even in the grocery store,
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即使是在杂货店里也难做到,
13:26
let alone over the course of our entire lives.
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更不用说是在我们整个生活中了。
13:29
A number of my studies have shown
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我的一些研究表明,
13:32
that when you give people 10 or more options
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当你给人们十个以上的选项时
13:34
when they're making a choice, they make poorer decisions,
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他们在选择时,会做出糟糕的决定,
13:37
whether it be health care, investment,
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不论是医疗,投资
13:39
other critical areas.
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还是其他重要的方面。
13:41
Yet still, many of us believe
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尽管如此,我们很多人还是相信
13:43
that we should make all our own choices
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我们应该完全做出自己的选择,
13:46
and seek out even more of them.
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甚至寻找更多的选择。
13:49
This brings me to the third,
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这令我做出了第三个,
13:52
and perhaps most problematic, assumption:
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也或许是最具争议的一个假设:
13:55
"You must never
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“你必须绝不能对
13:57
say no to choice."
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选择说不。”
14:00
To examine this, let's go back to the U.S.
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为了验证,我们把视线放回美国,
14:02
and then hop across the pond to France.
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然后跳到法国
14:05
Right outside Chicago,
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就在芝加哥郊外,
14:08
a young couple, Susan and Daniel Mitchell,
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一对年轻的夫妇,苏珊和丹尼尔 米切尔,
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were about to have their first baby.
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即将要有他们第一个孩子。
14:13
They'd already picked out a name for her,
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他们已经为她娶好了名字,
14:15
Barbara, after her grandmother.
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以她祖母的名字命名,芭芭拉。
14:18
One night, when Susan was seven months pregnant,
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苏珊怀孕七个月的一个晚上,
14:21
she started to experience contractions
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她开始感觉到子宫收缩,
14:23
and was rushed to the emergency room.
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赶紧送到了急救室里。
14:26
The baby was delivered through a C-section,
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宝宝生了下来,
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but Barbara suffered cerebral anoxia,
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不料芭芭拉患有
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a loss of oxygen to the brain.
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脑缺氧,
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Unable to breathe on her own,
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无法自己呼吸。
14:36
she was put on a ventilator.
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她靠呼吸机供氧。
14:38
Two days later,
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两天后,
14:40
the doctors gave the Mitchells
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医生给了米切尔
14:42
a choice:
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一个选择。
14:44
They could either remove Barbara
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他们或者移除芭芭拉
14:46
off the life support,
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的生命支持装置,
14:48
in which case she would die within a matter of hours,
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这样她会在几小时后死去,
14:51
or they could keep her on life support,
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或者保留她的生命装置,
14:54
in which case she might still die
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在这种情况下,她还是可能会在
14:56
within a matter of days.
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几天内死去,
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If she survived, she would remain
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即便保住了生命,
15:00
in a permanent vegetative state,
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她也会是永久性植物人,
15:03
never able to walk, talk
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无法走路、说话
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or interact with others.
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交流。
15:09
What do they do?
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他们怎么做呢?
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What do any parent do?
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身为父母的人会怎么做呢?
15:17
In a study I conducted
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在我与西蒙娜 博蒂和克里斯蒂娜 奥法里一起
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with Simona Botti and Kristina Orfali,
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进行的研究里,
15:21
American and French parents
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几对美国夫妇和法国夫妇
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were interviewed.
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接受了访谈。
15:25
They had all suffered
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他们都经历了
15:27
the same tragedy.
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同样的悲剧。
15:29
In all cases, the life support was removed,
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这几对夫妇都决定不再使用生命支持仪,
15:32
and the infants had died.
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于是婴儿死了。
15:34
But there was a big difference.
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但这其中却有很大的差别。
15:36
In France, the doctors decided whether and when
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在法国,是由医生来决定生命装置是否需要移除
15:39
the life support would be removed,
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以及什么时候移除,
15:42
while in the United States,
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而在美国,
15:44
the final decision rested with the parents.
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最后的决定则还是交给了父母。
15:48
We wondered:
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我们想:
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does this have an effect on how the parents
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这是否会影响到并且如何影响
15:52
cope with the loss of their loved one?
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父母对待失去挚爱的这件事呢?
15:55
We found that it did.
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我们发现答案是肯定的。
15:58
Even up to a year later,
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甚至到了一年以后,
16:00
American parents
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美国夫妇
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were more likely to express negative emotions,
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更容易流出负面的情绪,
16:04
as compared to their French counterparts.
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相较于法国夫妇。
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French parents were more likely to say things like,
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法国夫妇则会说些:“
16:10
"Noah was here for so little time,
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诺娃活得很短暂,
16:13
but he taught us so much.
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却教会了我们很多。
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He gave us a new perspective on life."
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他让我们看到了生活的另一页”之类的话
16:19
American parents were more likely to say things like,
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美国夫妇则常常会说,
16:22
"What if? What if?"
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“如果怎样?如果怎样?”之类的话
16:25
Another parent complained,
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另一对父母则抱怨,
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"I feel as if they purposefully tortured me.
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“我觉得他们似乎在故意折磨我。
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How did they get me to do that?"
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他们怎么可以让我做这个?”
16:33
And another parent said,
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还有一个父母则说,
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"I feel as if I've played a role
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“我觉得我好像扮演了
16:37
in an execution."
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侩子手的角色。"
16:40
But when the American parents were asked
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但是当问这些美国父母们
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if they would rather have had
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愿不愿意让医生
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the doctors make the decision,
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来做这个决定时,
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they all said, "No."
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他们都回答说,“不”
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They could not imagine
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他们无法想象
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turning that choice over to another,
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把选择交给另外一方,
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even though having made that choice
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尽管自己做决定
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made them feel trapped,
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令他们感到困扰
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guilty, angry.
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负罪、愤怒。
17:00
In a number of cases
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在一些案例中,
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they were even clinically depressed.
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有些人甚至得了焦虑症。
17:05
These parents could not contemplate
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这些父母无法想象
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giving up the choice,
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放弃这个选择,
17:09
because to do so would have gone contrary
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因为这样做将违背
17:11
to everything they had been taught
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他们一直来所被教导的
17:14
and everything they had come to believe
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和所相信的
17:16
about the power
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关于权力
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and purpose of choice.
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和选择的目的。
17:21
In her essay, "The White Album,"
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在琼 迪迪恩的文章,
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Joan Didion writes,
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《白色相册》中,她写道,
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"We tell ourselves stories
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“我们给自己讲故事
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in order to live.
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促使自己生活下去。
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We interpret what we see,
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我们体会着自己所见,
17:33
select the most workable
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在多种选择中,
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of the multiple choices.
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寻找可行的选择。
17:37
We live entirely by the imposition
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我们完全是被强迫地生活在
17:39
of a narrative line
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一个叙述性的
17:41
upon disparate images,
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基于一些零碎图片上的线条上,
17:43
by the idea with which we have learned to freeze
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我们已学会去冻结
17:46
the shifting phantasmagoria,
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千变万化的幻觉中
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which is our actual experience."
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的真实经历。”
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The story Americans tell,
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那些美国人所讲述的故事,
17:55
the story upon which
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那些铸造着
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the American dream depends,
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美国梦的故事
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is the story of limitless choice.
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是人拥有无限选择的故事
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This narrative
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这个故事
18:04
promises so much:
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许诺了太多:
18:06
freedom, happiness,
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自由、幸福
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success.
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成功。
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It lays the world at your feet and says,
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它令人身置云端,说道,
18:13
"You can have anything, everything."
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“你可以拥有一切的一切。”
18:17
It's a great story,
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这是一个传奇,
18:19
and it's understandable why they would be reluctant
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并且可以理解为何他们不愿意
18:21
to revise it.
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去改写它。
18:24
But when you take a close look,
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但是当你细细地看时,
18:26
you start to see the holes,
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你便会发现漏洞,
18:28
and you start to see that the story
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然后你发现这个故事
18:30
can be told in many other ways.
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也可以这样讲,那样讲。
18:33
Americans have so often tried to
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美国人尝试着
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disseminate their ideas of choice,
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去传播他们关于选择的观念
18:38
believing that they will be, or ought to be,
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相信他人将会,或者必然会,
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welcomed with open hearts and minds.
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用开放的心胸去接受这种观念。
18:44
But the history books and the daily news tell us
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但是历史书和每天的新闻告诉我们,
18:47
it doesn't always work out that way.
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这套理论并不总是这样顺利运作的。
18:50
The phantasmagoria,
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说故事的手法
18:52
the actual experience that we try to understand
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各地不同,千变万化
18:54
and organize through narrative,
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我们都试图用说故事的方法
18:57
varies from place to place.
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去了解组织阐释自己的真实经验。
19:00
No single narrative serves the needs
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任何地区的任何人
19:02
of everyone everywhere.
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都不会只满足于一种叙事的手法
19:06
Moreover, Americans themselves
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况且,美国人自己
19:09
could benefit from incorporating
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也能收益于吸收他人
19:12
new perspectives into their own narrative,
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的叙事技巧,
19:15
which has been driving their choices
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这一套叙事技巧已经左右他们的选择
19:17
for so long.
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很久了。
19:20
Robert Frost once said that,
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罗伯特 福斯特(注:美国诗人)曾说,
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"It is poetry that is lost in translation."
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“诗就是翻译过程中所失去的东西。”
19:27
This suggests that
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这句话是说
19:29
whatever is beautiful and moving,
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不管多么美丽多么动人,
19:31
whatever gives us a new way to see,
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多么让我们有了新的感悟的东西
19:34
cannot be communicated to those
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人们都没有办法将它
19:36
who speak a different language.
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用另一种语言表述出来。
19:39
But Joseph Brodsky said that,
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可约瑟夫布 罗司机(注:苏联诗人)也曾说过,
19:41
"It is poetry
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“诗,
19:43
that is gained in translation,"
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是从翻译过程中得到的"
19:45
suggesting that translation
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这意味着翻译可以是
19:47
can be a creative,
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一项富有创造力的
19:49
transformative act.
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和改变力的艺术。
19:52
When it comes to choice,
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在翻译过程中要面临选择
19:54
we have far more to gain than to lose
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透过许多不同的翻译叙事手法
19:57
by engaging in the many
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我们从中得到的感触
20:00
translations of the narratives.
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会比失去的还要多。
20:03
Instead of replacing
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这并不是要
20:05
one story with another,
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用另一个故事来取代,
20:07
we can learn from and revel in
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我们可以在翻译过程中学习到新事物
20:09
the many versions that exist
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并陶醉于不同的版本里,
20:12
and the many that have yet to be written.
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甚至陶醉在非原版的意境里
20:15
No matter where we're from
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不论我们来自哪里,
20:18
and what your narrative is,
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叙述的手段如何,
20:20
we all have a responsibility
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我们都有一个共同的责任,
20:22
to open ourselves up to a wider array
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打开心房去接受
20:24
of what choice can do,
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更广泛的选择
20:27
and what it can represent.
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以及这些选择所代表的意义
20:30
And this does not lead to
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这样才不会让
20:32
a paralyzing moral relativism.
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”道德相对主义“滋生,
20:35
Rather, it teaches us when
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相反它可以教导我们
20:37
and how to act.
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何时行动,如何行动。
20:39
It brings us that much closer
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让我们了解
20:41
to realizing the full potential of choice,
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各种选择的蕴涵,
20:44
to inspiring the hope
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更接近能鼓舞人心的希望
20:46
and achieving the freedom
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获得选择所拥有的
20:48
that choice promises
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却有时不能传递的
20:50
but doesn't always deliver.
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的自由
20:52
If we learn to speak to one another,
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如果我们学会与人交谈,
20:55
albeit through translation,
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即使是通过翻译,
20:58
then we can begin to see choice
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我们就可以发现
21:00
in all its strangeness,
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选择的不可思议之处,
21:02
complexity
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复杂之处,
21:05
and compelling beauty.
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和它的迷人之处。
21:07
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
21:09
(Applause)
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(掌声)
21:20
Bruno Giussani: Thank you.
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布鲁诺 吉桑尼:谢谢您。
21:23
Sheena, there is a detail about your biography
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希娜,目前有没有你自传的消息
21:26
that we have not written in the program book.
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但是我们已经听过你的许多事迹
21:28
But by now it's evident to everyone in this room. You're blind.
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在座的各位都知道你的眼睛看不见。
21:31
And I guess one of the questions on everybody's mind is:
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我想,大家都有一个问题:
21:34
How does that influence your study of choosing
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这一点如何影响你关于选择的研究。
21:37
because that's an activity
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因为这项活动
21:39
that for most people is associated with visual inputs
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很大程度上需要视觉获得信息,
21:42
like aesthetics and color and so on?
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比如美学啊,色彩啊等等
21:46
Sheena Iyengar: Well, it's funny that you should ask that
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希娜 亚格尔:恩,你问得问题很有趣,
21:48
because one of the things that's interesting about being blind
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因为关于失明,有一个有趣的地方是
21:51
is you actually get a different vantage point
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你事实上有一个非常不同的
21:53
when you observe the way
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视角
21:55
sighted people make choices.
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去观察人们的选择。
21:57
And as you just mentioned, there's lots of choices out there
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正如你刚刚提到的,日常生活中
21:59
that are very visual these days.
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我们常常依赖视觉做出选择,
22:01
Yeah, I -- as you would expect --
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是的,就如你想得那样,
22:03
get pretty frustrated by choices
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我有时候会感到沮丧受挫,在面临
22:05
like what nail polish to put on
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该涂什么指甲油的选择时
22:07
because I have to rely on what other people suggest.
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我不得不依赖他人的意见
22:09
And I can't decide.
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我无法自己做出选择,
22:11
And so one time I was in a beauty salon,
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有一次我在美容院,
22:13
and I was trying to decide between two very light shades of pink.
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我试图在两种淡粉色之间做出选择,
22:16
And one was called "Ballet Slippers."
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一个叫”粉色芭蕾“,
22:18
And the other one was called "Adorable."
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另一个”粉可爱“
22:21
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
22:23
And so I asked these two ladies,
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于是我就问了两位女士,
22:25
and the one lady told me, "Well, you should definitely wear 'Ballet Slippers.'"
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其中一个说”啊,你一定得涂个粉色芭蕾“
22:27
"Well, what does it look like?"
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”嗯,那它是什么样的呢“
22:29
"Well, it's a very elegant shade of pink."
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”它是一种非常优雅的粉色“
22:31
"Okay, great."
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”哦,不错“
22:33
The other lady tells me to wear "Adorable."
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另一个则告诉我涂”粉可爱“
22:35
"What does it look like?"
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”它是什么样的呢“
22:37
"It's a glamorous shade of pink."
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”它是一种华丽的粉色“
22:41
And so I asked them, "Well, how do I tell them apart?
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于是我就问他们”那我该怎么区别呢“
22:43
What's different about them?"
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”它们之前有什么不同“
22:45
And they said, "Well, one is elegant, the other one's glamorous."
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她们说”一款是优雅的,另一款华丽“
22:47
Okay, we got that.
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好吧,我们知道了。
22:49
And the only thing they had consensus on:
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她们唯一达成共识的,
22:51
well, if I could see them, I would
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是,如果我能看见,
22:53
clearly be able to tell them apart.
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我就能够很清晰地辨别了。
22:55
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
22:57
And what I wondered was whether they were being affected
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所以我想她们是不是
23:00
by the name or the content of the color,
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被这两种颜色的名字所影响了呢。
23:02
so I decided to do a little experiment.
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于是我就做了个小实验,
23:05
So I brought these two bottles of nail polish into the laboratory,
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我把这两瓶指甲油带回了实验室,
23:08
and I stripped the labels off.
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撕掉了标签,
23:10
And I brought women into the laboratory,
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然后我让几个女士进了实验室,
23:12
and I asked them, "Which one would you pick?"
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问她们:”你会选择哪一种呢“
23:14
50 percent of the women accused me of playing a trick,
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一半的人都说我在跟她们开玩笑,
23:17
of putting the same color nail polish
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她们觉得
23:19
in both those bottles.
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这两罐指甲油是一模一样的
23:21
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
23:23
(Applause)
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(掌声)
23:27
At which point you start to wonder who the trick's really played on.
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这时候你就会猜想究竟是谁在耍把戏了
23:30
Now, of the women that could tell them apart,
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而在撕掉标签的情况下,
23:33
when the labels were off, they picked "Adorable,"
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那些能分辨的女性会选择“粉可爱”
23:36
and when the labels were on,
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若贴上了标签,
23:38
they picked "Ballet Slippers."
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她们又选择了”粉色芭蕾“
23:41
So as far as I can tell,
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所以就我所理解的
23:43
a rose by any other name
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一款玫瑰只要有不同名字,
23:45
probably does look different
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就能让它的外观看起来与其他款不同
23:47
and maybe even smells different.
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可能闻起来也有不同。
23:50
BG: Thank you. Sheena Iyengar. Thank you Sheena.
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布鲁诺 吉桑尼: 谢谢。希娜•亚格尔教授 。. 谢谢你Sheena.
23:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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