My year of living biblically | A.J. Jacobs

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00:16
I thought I'd tell you a little about what I like to write.
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Rad bi vam povedal nekaj malega o svojem pisanju.
00:20
And I like to immerse myself in my topics.
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Rad se poglobim v svoje teme.
00:24
I just like to dive right in and become sort of a human guinea pig.
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V temo se spustim in postanem nekakšen človeški poskusni zajček.
00:29
And I see my life as a series of experiments.
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Na svoje življenje gledam kot niz poskusov.
00:34
So, I work for Esquire magazine, and a couple of years ago,
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Torej, delam pri reviji Esquire in pred nekaj leti
00:38
I wrote an article called "My Outsourced Life,"
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sem napisal članek "Moje življenje v najemu,"
00:41
where I hired a team of people in Bangalore, India,
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za katerega sem v Bangaloru v Indiji najel skupino ljudi,
00:45
to live my life for me.
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ki so živeli namesto mene.
00:47
So, they answered my emails.
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Odgovarjali so na mojo e-pošto,
00:49
They answered my phone.
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javljali so se na telefon,
00:51
They argued with my wife for me, and they read my son bedtime stories.
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namesto mene so se pričkali z mojo ženo in sinu so brali pravljice za lahko noč.
00:58
It was the best month of my life,
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Bil je najboljši mesec mojega življenja
01:00
because I just sat back and I read books and watched movies.
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ker sem se lahko enostavno sprostil, bral knjige in gledal filme.
01:05
It was a wonderful experience.
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To je bila res čudovita izkušnja.
01:07
More recently, I wrote an article for Esquire called --
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Nedavno pa sem za Esquire tudi napisal članek
01:10
about radical honesty.
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o radikalni iskrenosti.
01:13
And this is a movement where --
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To je gibanje ki --
01:15
this is started by a psychologist in Virginia,
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vse se je začelo s psihologom iz Virginije,
01:19
who says that you should never, ever lie,
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ki pravi, da ne smemo nikoli, ampak res nikoli, lagati.
01:22
except maybe during poker and golf, his only exceptions.
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Razen mogoče med igro pokra ali golfa, ki sta njegovi edini izjemi.
01:27
And, more than that, whatever is on your brain
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Poleg tega naj bi ubesedili vse,
01:29
should come out of your mouth.
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kar imamo v mislih.
01:31
So, I decided I would try this for a month.
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Zato sem za mesec dni poskusil tudi to.
01:34
This was the worst month of my life.
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To je bil najhujši mesec mojega življenja.
01:37
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:38
I do not recommend this at all.
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Tega sploh ne priporočam.
01:40
To give you a sense of the experience,
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Naj vam dam primer svoje izkušnje.
01:42
the article was called, "I Think You're Fat."
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Članek je imel naslov "Debela se mi zdiš".
01:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:48
So, that was hard.
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Torej je bilo to kar težavno.
01:50
My most recent book -- my previous book was called "The Know-It-All,"
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Moja najnovejša knjiga -- predhodna knjiga je imela naslov "Pametnjakovič".
01:55
and it was about the year I spent reading the Encyclopedia Britannica
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V njej je opisano eno leto, ki sem ga preživel z branjem celotne zbirke
01:59
from A to Z in my quest to learn everything in the world,
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Enciklopedije Britanike z namenom, da se naučim vse kar je na svetu za vedeti.
02:03
or more precisely from Aak, which is a type of East Asian music,
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Ali bolj natančno, vse od "aak", ki je vrsta vzhodnoazijske glasbe,
02:08
all the way to Zwyiec, which is -- well, I don't want to ruin the ending.
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vse do "Zwyiec", ki je -- no, nočem pokvariti konca.
02:12
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:13
It's a very exciting twist ending, like an O. Henry novel, so I won't ruin it.
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Ima zelo razburljiv konec z zapletom, kot O. Henryjeva novela, zato ga ne bom pokvaril.
02:17
But I love that one,
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Ta poskus mi je bil všeč,
02:19
because that was an experiment about how much information
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ker je pokazal koliko informacij so
02:23
one human brain could absorb.
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človeški možgani dejansko možni sprejeti.
02:25
Although, listening to Kevin Kelly, you don't have to remember anything.
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Čeprav si med poslušanjem Kevina Kellyja ne rabiš zapomniti nič.
02:29
You can just Google it.
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Vse lahko enostavno poiščeš na googlu.
02:31
So, I wasted some time there.
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Torej sem s tem zapravil nekaj časa.
02:33
I love those experiments,
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Obožujem te poskuse,
02:36
but I think that the most profound
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ampak mislim, da najbolj globokoumen
02:38
and life-changing experiment that I've done
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in občuten poskus, ki sem ga opravil,
02:42
is my most recent experiment, where I spent a year
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je moj najnovejši poskus, za katerega sem eno leto
02:46
trying to follow all of the rules of the Bible,
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živel po napotkih pravil iz Biblije.
02:49
"The Year of Living Biblically."
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"Leto bibličnega življenja".
02:52
And I undertook this for two reasons.
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Tega sem se lotil iz dveh razlogov.
02:55
The first was that I grew up with no religion at all.
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Prvi je bil ta, da sem odraščal brez verskega vpliva.
02:59
As I say in my book, I'm Jewish in the same way
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Kot sem opisal v knjigi, Žid sem v tolikšni meri,
03:03
the Olive Garden is Italian.
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kot je veriga restavracij "Olive Garden" italijanska.
03:05
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:07
So, not very.
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Torej, ne zelo.
03:09
But I've become increasingly interested in religion.
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Toda vera me je zanimala vedno bolj.
03:12
I do think it's the defining issue of our time,
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Sem mnenja, da je ena izmed bolj pomembnih sodobnih tem,
03:14
or one of the main ones.
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če ne celo ena najbolj pomembnih.
03:16
And I have a son. I want to know what to teach him.
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Imam tudi sina in hočem vedeti kaj ga učim.
03:19
So, I decided to dive in head first, and try to live the Bible.
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Zato sem se zadeve lotil z glavo naprej in poskusil živeti Biblijo.
03:24
The second reason I undertook this is because
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Drugi razlog za podvig pa je bila moja
03:27
I'm concerned about the rise of fundamentalism,
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zaskrbljenost zaradi povečevanja moči fundamentalizma,
03:30
religious fundamentalism, and people who say
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verskega fundamentalizma in ljudi,
03:33
they take the Bible literally, which is, according to some polls,
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ki pravijo, da jemljejo Biblijo dobesedno, kar je po anketah sodeč
03:36
as high as 45 or 50 percent of America.
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kar 45 ali 50 odstotkov ljudi v Ameriki.
03:40
So I decided, what if you really did take the Bible literally?
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Zato sem se odločil Biblijo zares vzeti dobesedno.
03:44
I decided to take it to its logical conclusion
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Želel sem priti do logičnega zaključka
03:48
and take everything in the Bible literally,
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in vse v Bibliji vzeti dobesedno,
03:50
without picking and choosing.
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brez prebiranja.
03:53
The first thing I did was I got a stack of bibles.
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Prvo sem zbral kup Biblij.
03:56
I had Christian bibles.
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Imel sem krščanske Biblije,
03:58
I had Jewish bibles.
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in židovske Biblije.
04:00
A friend of mine sent me something called a hip-hop bible,
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Kolega mi je poslal tako imenovano hip-hop Biblijo,
04:03
where the twenty-third Psalm is rendered as, "The Lord is all that,"
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v kateri se 23 psalm začne z "Gospod je glavn',"
04:07
as opposed to what I knew it as, "The Lord is my shepherd."
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kar sem jaz poznal v obliki "Gospod je moj pastir."
04:11
Then I went down and I read several versions,
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Potem sem prebral več različic
04:15
and I wrote down every single law that I could find.
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in si zapisal vsako pravilo, ki sem ga našel.
04:18
And this was a very long list -- over 700 rules.
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Seznam je bil zelo dolg -- več kot 700 pravil.
04:23
And they range from the famous ones that I had heard of --
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Med njimi so bila tista najbolj znana, za katera sem že slišal.
04:26
The Ten Commandments, love your neighbor, be fruitful and multiply.
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Deset božjih zapovedi, ljubi svojega bližnjega, bodi rodoviten in se množi.
04:29
So I wanted to follow those.
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Zato sem se želel ravnati po teh.
04:31
And actually, I take my projects very seriously,
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In svoje projekte vzamem resno,
04:34
because I had twins during my year,
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saj sem v tistem letu dobil dvojčka.
04:36
so I definitely take my projects seriously.
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Torej, svoje projekte jemljem zelo resno.
04:39
But I also wanted to follow the hundreds
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Želel pa sem se tudi ravnati po vseh stotih
04:42
of arcane and obscure laws that are in the Bible.
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manj razvidnih in nepoznanih pravilih, ki jih najdemo v Bibliji.
04:45
There is the law in Leviticus,
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V Levitiku je pravilo
04:47
"You cannot shave the corners of your beard."
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"Ne krajšaj konca svoje brade!"
04:49
I didn't know where my corners were,
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Ker nisem vedel, kje se moja brada konča,
04:51
so I decided to let the whole thing grow,
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sem se odločil, da jo bom kar pustil rasti.
04:54
and this is what I looked like by the end.
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In na koncu sem izgledal tako.
04:57
As you can imagine, I spent a lot of time at airport security.
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Kot si lahko predstavljate, da sem na letališčih veliko časa preživel med varnostniki.
05:01
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:03
My wife wouldn't kiss me for the last two months.
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Žena me zadnja dva meseca ni želela poljubiti.
05:06
So, certainly the challenge was there.
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Torej je bil tudi precejšen izziv.
05:08
The Bible says you cannot wear clothes made of mixed fibers,
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Biblija tudi pravi, da ne smeš nositi oblek iz mešanih tkanin.
05:13
so I thought, "Sounds strange, but I'll try it."
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Mislil sem si: "Sliši se čudno, ampak bom poskusil."
05:15
You only know if you try it.
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Samo ko nekaj poskusiš, vidiš kako je.
05:17
I got rid of all my poly-cotton T-shirts.
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Znebil sem se vseh kratkih majic mešanih iz poliestra in bombaža.
05:20
The Bible says that if two men are in a fight,
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Biblija pravi, če se dva moška stepeta
05:24
and the wife of one of those men grabs the testicles of the other man,
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in žena enega zagrabi moda drugega moškega,
05:30
then her hand shall be cut off.
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se ji odreže roko.
05:32
So, I wanted to follow that rule.
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Zato sem se želel ravnati tudi po tem pravilu.
05:34
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:35
That one I followed by default,
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Po njem sem se ravnal samodejno
05:38
by not getting in a fight with a man whose wife was standing nearby,
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in se nisem stepel z moškim z ženo ob sebi, ki je dajala vtis,
05:42
looking like she had a strong grip.
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da ima močan prijem.
05:45
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:48
So -- oh, there's another shot of my beard.
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Tu je še ena fotografija moje brade.
05:52
I will say it was an amazing year
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Bilo je res neverjetno leto,
05:54
because it really was life changing, and incredibly challenging.
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ker mi je res spremenilo življenje in je bilo zelo velik izziv.
05:57
And there were two types of laws that were particularly challenging.
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Dve vrsti pravil sta bili še posebej zahtevni.
06:00
The first was avoiding the little sins that we all commit every day.
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Prva je bilo izogibanje manjšim grehom, ki jih delamo iz dneva v dan.
06:04
You know, I could spend a year not killing,
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Ni bilo težko preživeti eno leto brez ubijanja,
06:06
but spending a year not gossiping, not coveting, not lying --
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ampak eno leto brez obrekovanja, poželenja, laganja --
06:11
you know, I live in New York, and I work as a journalist,
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veste, živim v New Yorku in sem novinar.
06:14
so this was 75, 80 percent of my day I had to do it.
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Vse to je sestavljalo 75, 80 odstotkov mojega vsakdana.
06:19
But it was really interesting, because I was able to make some progress,
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Toda, bilo jo zelo zanimivo, ker sem lahko nekoliko napredoval
06:24
because I couldn't believe how much
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in ker nisem mogel verjeti koliko
06:26
my behavior changed my thoughts.
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je moje obnašanje spremenilo moje mišljenje.
06:29
This was one of the huge lessons of the year,
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To je bil eden izmed največjih naukov tistega leta.
06:31
is that I almost pretended to be a better person,
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Poskusil sem se pretvarjati biti boljša oseba
06:34
and I became a little bit of a better person.
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in sem tako postal malo boljša oseba.
06:37
So I had always thought, you know, "You change your mind,
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Vedno sem govoril: "Svoje obnašanje spremeniš, ko
06:42
and you change your behavior," but it's often the other way around.
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spremeniš način mišljenja," ampak pogosto je ravno obratno.
06:45
You change your behavior, and you change your mind.
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Prvo spremeniš svoje obnašanje, potem šele način mišljenja.
06:50
So, you know, if you want to become more compassionate,
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Če želite postati bolj sočutni, morate torej
06:53
you visit sick people in the hospital,
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obiskati obolele v bolnišnici
06:55
and you will become more compassionate.
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in postali boste bolj sočutni.
06:57
You donate money to a cause,
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Ko darujete denar za dober namen,
06:59
and you become emotionally involved in that cause.
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se mu s tem tudi približate čustveno.
07:02
So, it really was cognitive psychology --
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Res sem izkusil kognitivno psihologijo,
07:05
you know, cognitive dissonance -- that I was experiencing.
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veste -- kognitivno disonanco.
07:08
The Bible actually talks about cognitive psychology,
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Biblija v bistvu tudi govori o kognitivni psihologiji,
07:11
very primitive cognitive psychology.
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zelo prvobitni obliki kognitivne psihologije.
07:13
In the Proverbs, it says that if you smile, you will become happier,
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V Pregovorih pravi, ko se boš nasmejal, boš postal srečnejši.
07:17
which, as we know, is actually true.
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Kar je, kot vsi vemo, res.
07:20
The second type of rule that was difficult to obey
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Druga vrsta pravil, ki jo je bilo prav tako težko ubogati,
07:24
was the rules that will get you into a little trouble
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so bila pravila, ki te bodo v Ameriki 21. stoletja
07:27
in twenty-first-century America.
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spravila v težave.
07:30
And perhaps the clearest example of this is stoning adulterers.
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In najbolj nazoren primer bi bilo kamenjanje prešuštnikov.
07:35
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:36
But it's a big part of the Bible,
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Ampak je velik del Biblije,
07:40
so I figured I had to address it.
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zato sem se lotil tudi tega.
07:43
So, I was able to stone one adulterer.
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Uspelo mi je vreči kamen v enega prešuštnika.
07:45
It happened -- I was in the park, and I was dressed in my biblical clothing,
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To se mi je zgodilo -- bil sem v parku, oblečen v biblična oblačila.
07:50
so sandals and sort of a white robe,
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Torej sem imel sandale in nekakšno belo haljo,
07:53
you know, because again, the outer affects the inner.
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ker, saj veste, zunanjost vpliva na vzdušje.
07:55
I wanted to see how dressing biblically affected my mind.
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Zanimalo me je, kakšen vpliv imajo biblična oblačila na moje mišljenje.
07:59
And this man came up to me and he said,
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In do mene stopi ta moški in me vpraša:
08:01
"Why are you dressed like that?"
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"Zakaj si tako oblečen?"
08:03
And I explained my project,
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Zato mu razložim svoj projekt.
08:05
and he said, "Well, I am an adulterer, are you going to stone me?"
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Reče mi: "No, jaz sem prešuštnik, misliš okamenjati mene?"
08:08
And I said, "Well, that would be great!"
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In mu odgvorim: "To bi bilo super!"
08:11
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:16
And I actually took out a handful of stones from my pocket
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In dejansko sem iz žepa vzel pest kamenja,
08:21
that I had been carrying around for weeks,
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ki sem ga imel pri sebi več tednov,
08:23
hoping for just this interaction -- and, you know, they were pebbles --
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in sem čakal na takšno priložnost. Bili so majhni kamenčki.
08:27
but he grabbed them out of my hand.
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Vzel mi jih je iz roke.
08:30
He was actually an elderly man, mid-70s, just so you know.
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Bil je starejši moški v srednjih sedemdesetih letih, samo da veste.
08:33
But he's still an adulterer, and still quite angry.
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Vseeno pa je bil prešuštnik in tudi precej jezen.
08:35
He grabbed them out of my hand
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Vzel mi jih je iz roke
08:37
and threw them at my face, and I felt that I could --
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in mi jih vrgel v obraz. Zato sem si mislil
08:40
eye for an eye -- I could retaliate, and throw one back at him.
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"oko za oko" in sem mu lahko vrnil, zato sem vrgel en kamen nazaj v njega.
08:44
So that was my experience stoning, and it did allow me
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No, to je bila moja izkušnja kamenjanja, kar mi je pomagalo
08:47
to talk about, in a more serious way, these big issues.
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spregovoriti o teh zadevah tudi na malo bolj resen način.
08:52
How can the Bible be so barbaric in some places,
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Kako je Biblija lahko na nekaterih mestih tako barbarska
08:56
and yet so incredibly wise in others?
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in kljub temu na drugih tako poučna?
08:59
How should we view the Bible?
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Kako moramo gledati na Biblijo?
09:01
Should we view it, you know, as original intent,
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Jo moramo interpretirati po principu izvornega namena,
09:03
like a sort of a Scalia version of the Bible?
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kot na njo gleda Antonin Scalia?
09:08
How was the Bible written?
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Kako je bila Biblija napisana?
09:10
And actually, since this is a tech crowd,
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In ker je občinstvo bolj tehnično,
09:12
I talk in the book about how the Bible actually reminds me
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govorim v knjigi tudi o tem, kako me Biblija spominja
09:16
of the Wikipedia, because it has all of these authors and editors
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na Wikipedijo, ker je čez več stoletij
09:19
over hundreds of years.
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imela toliko avtorjev in urednikov.
09:21
And it's sort of evolved.
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S tem se je nekako razvijala.
09:23
It's not a book that was written and came down from on high.
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To ni knjiga, ki je bila enostavno napisana in je padla z neba.
09:28
So I thought I would end by telling you
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Zaključiti bi želel z nekaterimi
09:32
just a couple of the take-aways, the bigger lessons
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pomembnejšimi lekcijami, ki sem jih odnesel
09:35
that I learned from my year.
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od izkušnje v tistem letu.
09:38
The first is, thou shalt not take the Bible literally.
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Prva je, ne jemlji Biblije dobesedno.
09:42
This became very, very clear, early on.
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To mi je postalo zelo jasno zelo zgodaj.
09:45
Because if you do, then you end up acting like a crazy person,
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Če boš to dejansko storil, se boš na koncu obnašal kot norec
09:48
and stoning adulterers, or -- here's another example.
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in kamenjal prešuštnike ali pa -- imam še en primer.
09:51
Well, that's another. I did spend some time shepherding.
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No, to je nek drugi. Dejansko sem nekaj časa pasel ovce.
09:56
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
09:57
It's a very relaxing vocation. I recommend it.
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Je zelo sproščujoče opravilo in ga toplo priporočam.
10:01
But this one is -- the Bible says that you cannot touch women
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Toda ta -- Biblija pravi, da se med določenimi meseci ne
10:05
during certain times of the month, and more than that,
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smeš dotikati žensk. Ne samo to,
10:08
you cannot sit on a seat where a menstruating woman has sat.
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prav tako ne smeš sedeti, kjer je sedela ženska z menstruacijo.
10:12
And my wife thought this was very offensive,
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Moja žena je menila, da je to zelo žaljivo,
10:14
so she sat in every seat in our apartment,
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in se je usedla na vsak sedež v stanovanju.
10:16
and I had to spend much of the year standing
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Zato sem velik del leta preživel stoje,
10:19
until I bought my own seat and carried it around.
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dokler si nisem kupil lastnega stola, ki sem ga nosil s seboj.
10:25
So, you know, I met with creationists.
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Dobil sem se tudi s kreacionisti.
10:29
I went to the creationists' museum.
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Obiskal sem v kreacionistični muzej.
10:31
And these are the ultimate literalists.
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Nihče ne jemlje stvari bolj dobesedno kot oni.
10:33
And it was fascinating, because they were not stupid people at all.
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Bilo je zelo fascinantno, ker sploh niso neumni.
10:36
I would wager that their IQ is exactly the same as the average evolutionist.
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Stavim, da je njihov IQ na isti ravni z IQ-jem povprečnega evolucionista.
10:39
It's just that their faith is so strong
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Toda, njihovo prepričanje v
10:42
in this literal interpretation of the Bible
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dobesedno interpretacijo Biblije je tako močno,
10:44
that they distort all the data to fit their model.
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da vse podatke spremenijo do te mere da ustreza njihovemu vzorcu.
10:49
And they go through these amazing mental gymnastics to accomplish this.
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To pa poskusijo doseči s pomočjo teh neverjetnih miselnih akrobacij.
10:53
And I will say, though, the museum is gorgeous.
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In moram omeniti, da je muzej čudovit.
10:58
They really did a fantastic job.
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Zelo so se potrudili.
11:00
If you're ever in Kentucky,
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Če boste kdajkoli v Kentuckyju,
11:01
there's, you can see a movie of the flood,
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si lahko ogledate film o vesoljnem potopu,
11:04
and they have sprinklers in the ceiling
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kjer imajo na stropu nameščene škropilnike,
11:06
that will sprinkle on you during the flood scenes.
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ki te med prizori povodni poškropijo.
11:10
So, whatever you think of creationism -- and I think it's crazy --
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Vseeno kakšno mnenje imate o kreacionizmu -- jaz menim, da je traparija --
11:13
they did a great job.
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Dobro so se odrezali.
11:16
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:18
Another lesson is that thou shalt give thanks.
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Druga lekcija je bila, hvali dan.
11:22
And this one was a big lesson because I was praying,
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To je bila pomembna lekcija zato, ker sem molil
11:26
giving these prayers of thanksgiving, which was odd for an agnostic.
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na zahvalni dan, kar je za agnostika zelo nenavadno.
11:30
But I was saying thanks all the time, every day,
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Zahvaljeval sem se ves čas, vsak dan,
11:34
and I started to change my perspective.
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kar je spremenilo moj pogled.
11:37
And I started to realize the hundreds of little things
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Začel sem se zavedati vseh malenkosti,
11:40
that go right every day, that I didn't even notice,
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ki se tekom dneva dobro iztečejo, in jih prej nisem opazil.
11:44
that I took for granted, as opposed to focusing
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Imel sem jih za samoumevne in se osredotočal
11:46
on the three or four that went wrong.
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na dve ali tri stvari, ki so mi šle narobe.
11:50
So, this is actually a key to happiness for me,
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Torej, po mojem je to pot do sreče.
11:53
is to just remember when I came over here,
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Ob prihodu na konferenco
11:55
the car didn't flip over, and I didn't trip coming up the stairs.
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se moj avto ni prevrnil in na poti po stopnicah se nisem spotaknil.
11:59
It's a remarkable thing.
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To je res nekaj neverjetnega.
12:03
Third, that thou shall have reverence.
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Tretjič, boš častil.
12:05
This one was unexpected because I started the year
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To je bila nepričakovana lekcija, ker sem leto začel
12:08
as an agnostic, and by the end of the year,
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kot agnostik in ob koncu leta sem postal
12:10
I became what a friend of mine calls a reverent agnostic, which I love.
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kar nek kolega imenuje častiteljski agnostik, kar mi je zelo všeč.
12:15
And I'm trying to start it as a movement.
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Iz tega poskušam tudi ustvariti gibanje.
12:17
So, if anyone wants to join,
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Torej, če se kdorkoli želi pridružiti,
12:19
the basic idea is, whether or not there is a God,
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osnovna zamisel je ta, da ne glede ali obstaja Bog ali ne,
12:22
there's something important and beautiful about the idea of sacredness,
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je predstava o svetosti še vedno nekaj pomembnega in lepega
12:26
and that our rituals can be sacred.
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in naši rituali so lahko sveti.
12:28
The Sabbath can be sacred.
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Gospodov dan je lahko svet.
12:31
This was one of the great things about my year, doing the Sabbath,
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Gospodov dan je bila ena izmed boljših izkušenj v letu,
12:34
because I am a workaholic, so having this one day
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ker sem deloholik, in je ta en dela prost dan
12:38
where you cannot work, it really, that changed my life.
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zelo spremenil moje življenje.
12:42
So, this idea of sacredness, whether or not there is a God.
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Torej, ta predstava o svetosti, ne glede na obstoj Boga.
12:47
Thou shall not stereotype.
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Ne boš sodil po stereotipih.
12:49
This one happened because
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Do te lekcije sem prišel
12:51
I spent a lot of time with various religious communities
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z obiskovanjem raznih verskih skupnosti
12:54
throughout America because I wanted it to be more
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po celi Ameriki, ker sem želel, da bi bila
12:56
than about my journey.
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izkušnja o nečem več kot mojem potovanju.
12:58
I wanted it to be about religion in America.
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Želel sem, da bi se nanašala na vero v Ameriki.
13:01
So, I spent time with evangelical Christians, and Hasidic Jews, and the Amish.
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Zato sem preživel nekaj časa z evangeličani, hasidijskimi Judi in amiši.
13:05
I'm very proud because
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Na to sem zelo ponosen,
13:07
I think I'm the only person in America
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ker mislim, da sem edina oseba v Ameriki,
13:09
to out Bible-talk a Jehovah's Witness.
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ki se je o Bibliji želela pogovarjati bolj dolgo kot jehova priča.
13:12
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:13
After three and a half hours, he looked at his watch,
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Po treh urah in pol je pogledal na uro
13:16
he's like, "I gotta go."
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in rekel: "Iti moram."
13:18
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:20
Oh, thank you very much.
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Hvala, najlepša vam hvala.
13:25
Thank you. Bless you, bless you.
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Hvala. Bog vas blagoslovi.
13:27
But it was interesting
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Bilo je zelo zanimivo,
13:29
because I had some very preconceived notions about, for instance,
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ker sem pred tem imel te različne predstave o na primer
13:32
evangelical Christianity, and I found that
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evangeličanstvu in sem ugotovil,
13:36
it's such a wide and varied movement
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da je zelo obsežno in raznoliko gibanje,
13:38
that it is difficult to make generalizations about it.
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ki ga zelo težko posplošimo.
13:44
There's a group I met with called the Red Letter Christians,
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Obstaja skupina, s katero sem se dobil, ki se imenuje Kristjani Rdečega Pisma
13:47
and they focus on the red words in the Bible,
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in se osredotočajo na besed v Bibliji, obarvane rdeče,
13:50
which are the ones that Jesus spoke.
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ki jih je izrekel Jezus.
13:52
That's how they printed them in the old Bibles.
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Tako so jih tiskali v starejših Biblijah.
13:54
And their argument is that Jesus never talked about homosexuality.
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Njihov argument je, da Jezus nikoli ni govoril o homoseksualnosti.
13:59
They have a pamphlet that says,
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Imajo to brošuro na kateri piše:
14:01
"Here's what Jesus said about homosexuality,"
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"Jezus je o homoseksualnosti rekel to,"
14:03
and you open it up, and there's nothing in it.
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ko jo odpreš, ni napisano nič.
14:06
So, they say Jesus did talk a lot about helping the outcasts,
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Pravijo pa, da je Jezus veliko govoril o podpiranju izobčencev
14:12
helping poor people.
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in pomaganju revnim.
14:15
So, this was very inspiring to me.
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To me je zelo navdihnilo.
14:19
I recommend Jim Wallis and Tony Campolo.
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Predlagam vam Jima Wallisa in Tonyja Campola.
14:24
They're very inspiring leaders, even though I disagree
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Oba sta zelo čudovita voditelja, čeprav se z marsičem,
14:28
with much of what they say.
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kar pravita, ne strinjam.
14:30
Also, thou shalt not disregard the irrational.
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Prišel sem tudi do ugotovitve, upoštevaj kar je neracionalno.
14:33
This one was very unexpected because, you know,
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Ta je bila zelo nepričakovana,
14:37
I grew up with the scientific worldview,
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ker sem odraščal z znanstvenim pogledom na svet,
14:40
and I was shocked learning how much of my life
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in sem bil presenečen nad tem, kolikšen del mojega življenja
14:47
is governed by irrational forces.
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je pod nadzorom iracionalnih sil.
14:50
And the thing is, if they're not harmful,
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In v bistvu, če niso škodljive,
14:54
they're not to be completely dismissed.
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potem jih ne smemo popolnoma zavreči.
14:56
Because I learned that -- I was thinking, I was
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Naučil sem se -- med vsemi temi
15:00
doing all these rituals, these biblical rituals,
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rituali, med temi bibličnimi rituali,
15:03
separating my wool and linen, and I would ask these religious people
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ločevanjem volne in lanenega platna, sem vprašal vernike:
15:07
"Why would the Bible possibly tell us to do this? Why would God care?"
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"Zakaj bi Bog to zahteval od nas? Zakaj bi mu bilo mar za to?"
15:11
And they said, "We don't know,
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In so mi odgovorili: "Ne vemo,
15:13
but it's just rituals that give us meaning."
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toda ti rituali nam dajejo pomen."
15:17
And I would say, "But that's crazy."
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In se odzovem: "Ampak, to je noro."
15:19
And they would say, "Well, what about you?
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In mi odvrnejo: "Ja, kaj pa ti?"
15:21
You blow out candles on top of a birthday cake.
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Ti na torti upihneš sveče.
15:26
If a guy from Mars came down and saw, here's one guy
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Če bi prišel nekdo z Marsa in videl nekega moškega,
15:30
blowing out the fire on top of a cake
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ki ugaša ogenj s sveč na torti
15:34
versus another guy not wearing clothes of mixed fabrics,
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in nekoga, ki nosi obleke iz mešanih vlaken.
15:38
would the Martians say, 'Well, that guy, he makes sense,
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Kaj ne bi Marsovec rekel: "Ta, drugi, mi deluje normalen,
15:42
but that guy's crazy?'"
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prvi pa je zmešan."
15:44
So no, I think that rituals are, by nature, irrational.
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Zato sem mnenja, da so rituali že v osnovi iracionalni.
15:49
So the key is to choose the right rituals,
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Odločilno je torej, da izberem ustrezne rituale,
15:52
the ones that are not harmful -- but rituals by themselves
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ki niso škodljivi -- toda ritualov nasploh
15:58
are not to be dismissed.
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ne smemo zavračati.
16:01
And finally I learned that thou shall pick and choose.
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In končno, naučil sem se tudi, da moraš biti izbirčen.
16:05
And this one I learned because
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Tega sem se naučil skozi poslanstvo,
16:07
I tried to follow everything in the Bible.
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da bom sledil vsem kar je zapisano v Bibliji.
16:09
And I failed miserably.
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In to neuspešno.
16:11
Because you can't.
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Ker je nemogoče.
16:13
You have to pick and choose. And anyone who follows the Bible
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Moraš biti izbirčen. In kdorkoli, ki se ravna po Bibliji,
16:16
is going to be picking and choosing.
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bo prebiral.
16:18
The key is to pick and choose the right parts.
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Pomembno je, da izberemo prave dele.
16:23
There's the phrase called cafeteria religion,
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Obstaja izraz samopostrežna vera,
16:27
and the fundamentalists will use it in a denigrating way,
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ki ga fundamentalisti uporabljajo kot žaljivko.
16:31
and they'll say, "Oh, it's just cafeteria religion.
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Tako rečejo: "Ah, to je samopostrežna vera,
16:33
You're just picking and choosing."
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ker prebiraš."
16:34
But my argument is, "What's wrong with cafeterias?"
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Toda, jaz pa pravim: "Kaj je narobe s samopostrežnimi restavracijami?"
16:38
I've had some great meals at cafeterias.
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V nekaterih sem se že prav dobro najedel.
16:40
I've also had some meals that make me want to dry heave.
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Imel sem pa tudi obroke po katerih se mi je hrana dvigala.
16:44
So, it's about choosing the parts of the Bible about compassion,
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Moramo torej izbirati dele v Bibliji, ki govorijo o sočutju,
16:48
about tolerance, about loving your neighbor,
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toleranci, ljubezni do soseda,
16:51
as opposed to the parts about homosexuality is a sin,
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in ne delov, ki pravijo, da je homoseksualnost greh,
16:56
or intolerance, or violence,
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kot tudi nestrpnost in nasilje,
16:58
which are very much in the Bible as well.
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kar je tudi prisotno v Bibliji.
17:00
So if we are to find any meaning in this book,
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Če želimo v tej knjigi najti pomen,
17:04
then we have to really engage it, and wrestle with it.
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potem se moramo v njo zakopati in se z njo spopasti.
17:08
And I thought I'd end with just a couple more.
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Zaključil bom še z nekaj fotografijami.
17:11
There's me reading the Bible.
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Tukaj berem Biblijo.
17:13
That's how I hailed taxicabs.
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Tako sem klical taksiste.
17:15
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
17:18
Seriously, and it worked. And yes,
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Dejansko. In deluje!
17:20
that was actually a rented sheep,
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To ovco sem najel
17:23
so I had to return that in the morning, but it served well for a day.
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in sem jo zjutraj moral vrniti, toda mi je dobro služila.
17:28
So, anyway, thank you so much for letting me speak.
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Kakorkoli, hvala za vašo pozornost.
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