How to control someone else's arm with your brain | Greg Gage

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翻译人员: Geran Wen 校对人员: Zhiting Chen
00:14
The brain is an amazing and complex organ.
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大脑是个很神奇又复杂的器官。
00:17
And while many people are fascinated by the brain,
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尽管很多人都对大脑十分着迷,
他们却讲不出太多关于大脑的特征,
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they can't really tell you that much
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about the properties about how the brain works
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以及它是怎样工作的,
因为学校没有神经科学的课。
00:24
because we don't teach neuroscience in schools.
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And one of the reasons why is that the equipment
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其中一个原因就是
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is so complex and so expensive
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相应的设备太复杂又太昂贵,
00:31
that it's really only done at major universities and large institutions.
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这些研究只有在高等学府 和大型研究机构才能进行。
00:35
And so in order to be able to access the brain,
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所以为了能够接触到大脑,
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you really need to dedicate your life
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你几乎需要奉献终生,
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and spend six and a half years as a graduate student
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花六年半的时间在研究生院学习,
00:42
just to become a neuroscientist to get access to these tools.
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只为了成为神经科学家 好能够使用那些设备。
00:45
And that's a shame because one out of five of us,
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很遗憾的是, 我们每五个人当中就有一个,
00:47
that's 20 percent of the entire world, will have a neurological disorder.
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也就是全球人口的20% 会受神经性失调的困扰。
00:51
And there are zero cures for these diseases.
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然而还没有任何方法能治愈这些疾病。
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And so it seems that what we should be doing
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这么看来,我们应当
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is reaching back earlier in the eduction process
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从教育的更早期阶段开始
00:59
and teaching students about neuroscience so that in the future,
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就传授给学生神经科学的知识, 这样在将来,
01:04
they may be thinking about possibly becoming a brain scientist.
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他们或许会考虑成为脑神经科学家。
当我还是一名研究生的时候, 就与同实验室的 Tim Marzullo 决定,
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When I was a graduate student, my lab mate Tim Marzullo and myself,
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01:11
decided that what if we took this complex equipment that we have
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将我们现在研究大脑用的复杂仪器
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for studying the brain and made it simple enough and affordable enough
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进行简化,价格能足够亲民,
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that anyone that you know, an amateur or a high school student,
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让任何人, 从神经科学爱好者到高中生,
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could learn and actually participate in the discovery of neuroscience.
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都能够学习并参与到 探索神经科学的过程当中。
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And so we did just that.
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于是我们这样做了。
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A few years ago, we started a company called Backyard Brains
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几年前,我们成立了一家 名叫 Backyard Brains (大脑后院) 的公司,
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and we make DIY neuroscience equipment and I brought some here tonight,
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主要生产DIY的神经科学仪器, 我今天带来了一些,
01:34
and I want to do some demonstrations.
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打算为大家做现场的演示。
01:37
You guys want to see some?
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你们想看吗?
01:38
So I need a volunteer.
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我需要一个志愿者。
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So right before -- what is your name? (Applause)
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首先—— 你叫什么名字? (掌声)
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Sam Kelly: Sam.
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Sam Kelly: Sam。
01:45
Greg Gage: All right, Sam, I'm going to record from your brain.
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Greg Gage:很好,Sam, 我接下来要记录你的脑部活动了。
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Have you had this before?
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你以前做过这个实验吗?
01:49
SK: No.
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SK:没有。
01:50
GG: I need you to stick out your arm for science,
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GG:我需要你为了科学伸出胳膊,
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roll up your sleeve a bit,
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稍微卷起你的袖子,
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So what I'm going to do, I'm putting electrodes on your arm,
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我接下来要做的, 是在你的胳膊上贴几个电极,
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and you're probably wondering,
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你可能在想,
我刚说我要记录你的大脑, 这跟胳膊有什么关系?
01:59
I just said I'm going to record from your brain, what am I doing with your arm?
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02:02
Well, you have about 80 billion neurons inside your brain right now.
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其实,此时此刻在你的 大脑内有800亿神经元。
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They're sending electrical messages back and forth, and chemical messages.
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它们在来回发送电信号和化学信号。
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But some of your neurons right here in your motor cortex
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但在这里有一些 位于你的运动皮质的神经元,
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are going to send messages down when you move your arm like this.
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你这样运动胳膊的时候 会向下发送信号。
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They're going to go down across your corpus callosum,
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这些信号会向下穿过胼胝体,
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down onto your spinal cord to your lower motor neuron
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进入你的脊髓, 到达下运动神经元,
再到达你这里的肌肉,
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out to your muscles here,
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and that electrical discharge is going to be picked up
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这种电信号释放
会被这里的电极接收,
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by these electrodes right here
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02:25
and we're going to be able to listen
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于是我们就能够听到
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to exactly what your brain is going to be doing.
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你的大脑到底想要做些什么。
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So I'm going to turn this on for a second.
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我来打开这个东西。
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Have you ever heard what your brain sounds like?
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你有听过你的大脑的声音吗?
SK:没有。
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SK: No.
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GG:来试试吧。 来试着抬肘握一下拳。
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GG: Let's try it out. So go ahead and squeeze your hand.
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02:37
(Rumbling)
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(隆隆声)
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So what you're listening to,
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你现在听到的,
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so this is your motor units happening right here.
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这就是你的运动单元 正在此处发挥作用。
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Let's take a look at it as well.
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我们也来看一下好了。
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So I'm going to stand over here,
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我会站在这里,
我需要打开我们的应用程序。
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and I'm going to open up our app here.
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02:52
So now I want you to squeeze.
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现在握一下拳,
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(Rumbling)
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(隆隆声)
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So right here, these are the motor units that are happening
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就在这儿,这些就是 正在起作用的运动单元,
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from her spinal cord out to her muscle right here,
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从她的脊椎延伸到这里的肌肉,
伴随着她的动作,
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and as she's doing it,
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你可以看到这里的电信号活动。
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you're seeing the electrical activity that's happening here.
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你甚至可以点进去看其中的一个。
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You can even click here and try to see one of them.
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继续不停地使劲握拳。
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So keep doing it really hard.
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我们现在暂停在
此时此刻正在你脑内的 一个运动电势。
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So now we've paused
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on one motor action potential that's happening right now inside of your brain.
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03:13
Do you guys want to see some more?
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你们想看更多的吗?
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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That's interesting, but let's get it better.
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刚才的那个挺有趣的, 不过还有更有意思的。
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I need one more volunteer.
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我还需要一名志愿者。
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What is your name, sir?
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先生,请问你的名字是?
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Miguel Goncalves: Miguel.
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Miguel Goncalves:Miguel
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GG: Miguel, all right.
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GG:好的,Miguel。
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You're going to stand right here.
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你需要站在这里。
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So when you're moving your arm like this,
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(对SK)当你在这样握拳的时候,
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your brain is sending a signal down to your muscles right here.
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你的大脑向你这里的肌肉发出了信号。
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I want you to move your arm as well.
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(对MG)我想让你也像那样握拳。
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So your brain is going to send a signal down to your muscles.
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你的大脑也将向你的肌肉发出信号。
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And so it turns out that there is a nerve that's right here
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实际上这里有一根神经
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that runs up here that innervates these three fingers,
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一路上来并支配这三根手指的活动,
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and it's close enough to the skin that we might be able
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而这根神经又离皮肤足够近, 让我们能够
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to stimulate that so that what we can do
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刺激它,所以我们能做的
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is copy your brain signals going out to your hand
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是复制从你(SK)的大脑 向手臂发出的信号,
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and inject it into your hand,
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并把这个信号注入到你(MG)手臂里,
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so that your hand will move when your brain tells your hand to move.
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于是你的手臂会在 你(SK)的大脑告诉手臂要动的时候动。
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So in a sense, she will take away your free will
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所以从某种意义上说, (对MG)她会夺走你的自由意志,
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and you will no longer have any control over this hand.
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你将无法控制你自己的这只手。
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You with me?
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你明白了吗?
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So I just need to hook you up.
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我需要把你连接上。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So I'm going to find your ulnar nerve,
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我要找到你的尺神经,
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which is probably right around here.
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大概在这个位置。
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You don't know what you're signing up for
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你上台的时候还不知道
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when you come up.
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将要发生什么吧。
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So now I'm going to move away and we're going to plug it in
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我现在要让开,并连接好
我们的人对人互动界面。
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to our human-to-human interface over here.
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04:24
Okay, so Sam, I want you to squeeze your hand again.
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好了,Sam,我想请你再次握一下拳。
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Do it again. Perfect.
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再做一次。好的,完美。
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So now I'm going to hook you up over here so that you get the --
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(对MG)我现在要把你连接上, 这样你就能接收到——
刚开始会觉得有点奇怪,
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It's going to feel a little bit weird at first,
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this is going to feel like a -- (Laughter)
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你会觉得 -- (笑声)
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You know, when you lose your free will, and someone else becomes your agent,
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你懂的,当你失去了意志, 别人成为了你的代理人,
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it does feel a bit strange.
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这的确会感觉有点奇怪。
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Now I want you to relax your hand.
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我现在需要你放松你的手。
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Sam, you're with me?
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Sam,你有在听吧?
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So you're going to squeeze.
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你现在握拳。
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I'm not going to turn it on yet, so go ahead and give it a squeeze.
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我还没要打开机器呢, 所以不要担心,先握一下。
那么现在,你准备好了吗,Miguel?
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So now, are you ready, Miguel?
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04:54
MG: Ready as I'll ever be.
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MG:我已经迫不及待了。
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GG: I've turned it on, so go ahead and turn your hand.
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GG:我已经打开仪器了, (对SK)现在试着握一下拳。
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Do you feel that a little bit? MG: Nope.
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你感觉到了吗? MG:没有。
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GG: Okay, do it again? MG: A little bit.
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GG:好,(对SK)再试一次? MG:有一点。
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GG: A little bit? (Laughter)
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GG:有一点? (笑声)
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So relax.
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好,放松。
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So hit it again.
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(对SK)再握一次。
05:07
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:08
Oh, perfect, perfect.
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完美,完美。
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So relax, do it again.
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放松,再来一次。
好的,此时此刻,
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All right, so right now,
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your brain is controlling your arm and it's also controlling his arm,
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你的大脑控制着你的胳膊, 同时也在控制他的胳膊,
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so go ahead and just do it one more time.
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那现在再来一次。
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All right, so it's perfect. (Laughter)
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很好,简直太完美了。 (笑声)
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So now, what would happen if I took over my control of your hand?
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接下来,如果由我来控制你的手呢?
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And so, just relax your hand.
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放松你的手。
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What happens?
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发生了什么?
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Ah, nothing.
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啊哦,什么都没有。
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Why not?
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为什么呢?
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Because the brain has to do it.
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因为需要大脑去控制。
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So you do it again.
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你再来一次。
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All right, that's perfect.
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很好,这很完美。
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Thank you guys for being such a good sport.
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谢谢你们如此精彩的配合。
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This is what's happening all across the world --
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这就是目前全世界都在研究的 ——
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electrophysiology!
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电生理学!
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We're going to bring on the neuro-revolution.
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我们要引领神经学的革命。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
05:49
(Applause)
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