Rajesh Rao: Computing a Rosetta Stone for the Indus script

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翻译人员: Jenny Yang 校对人员: Lan Xu
00:15
I'd like to begin with a thought experiment.
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首先,我们来做个思考的实验
00:19
Imagine that it's 4,000 years into the future.
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想像距今4000年后
00:22
Civilization as we know it
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我们所了解的文明
00:24
has ceased to exist --
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不复存在
00:26
no books,
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没有书籍
00:28
no electronic devices,
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没有电子设备
00:31
no Facebook or Twitter.
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没有脸书没有推特
00:34
All knowledge of the English language and the English alphabet
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英语和英语字母
00:37
has been lost.
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也都消失殆尽
00:39
Now imagine archeologists
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现在再来想想考古学家们
00:41
digging through the rubble of one of our cities.
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在我们城市残砖碎瓦中挖掘
00:43
What might they find?
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他们会发现什么呢?
00:45
Well perhaps some rectangular pieces of plastic
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可能会发现长方形的塑胶
00:48
with strange symbols on them.
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上面印着奇怪的符号
00:51
Perhaps some circular pieces of metal.
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或者发现一些圆形的金属碎片
00:54
Maybe some cylindrical containers
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也可能是些圆柱型的容器
00:56
with some symbols on them.
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上头有些符号
00:58
And perhaps one archeologist becomes an instant celebrity
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还可能有某个考古学家在
01:01
when she discovers --
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北美的某个地方
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buried in the hills somewhere in North America --
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发现了大量相似的符号后
01:05
massive versions of these same symbols.
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一夜成名
01:10
Now let's ask ourselves,
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让我们来问问我们自己
01:12
what could such artifacts say about us
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我们的这些残存给4000年后
01:15
to people 4,000 years into the future?
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的人们展示了一个怎样的我们
01:18
This is no hypothetical question.
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这不是假设
01:20
In fact, this is exactly the kind of question we're faced with
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事实上,这正是我们面对
01:23
when we try to understand the Indus Valley civilization,
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4000年前存在的印度河流域文明时
01:26
which existed 4,000 years ago.
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面对的问题
01:28
The Indus civilization was roughly contemporaneous
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古印度河流域文明和较为人所熟知的
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with the much better known Egyptian and the Mesopotamian civilizations,
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埃及以及美所不达米亚文化大概处于同时期
01:34
but it was actually much larger than either of these two civilizations.
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但其实它的范围超过这两个文明中的任何一个
01:37
It occupied the area
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它涵盖了
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of approximately one million square kilometers,
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大约一百万平方公里
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covering what is now Pakistan,
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包括今天的巴基斯坦
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Northwestern India
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印度的西北部
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and parts of Afghanistan and Iran.
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部分阿富汗和伊朗
01:47
Given that it was such a vast civilization,
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如此广大的文明
01:49
you might expect to find really powerful rulers, kings,
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你可能会期待有强大的统治者,国王
01:53
and huge monuments glorifying these powerful kings.
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以及用来纪念王者的巨大纪念碑
01:56
In fact,
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事实上
01:58
what archeologists have found is none of that.
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考古学者没有发现那些
02:00
They've found small objects such as these.
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他们发现了这样一些小物件
02:03
Here's an example of one of these objects.
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这就是其中的一样
02:06
Well obviously this is a replica.
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当然这只是个复制品
02:08
But who is this person?
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但这是谁呢?
02:11
A king? A god?
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是一个国王?一个神?
02:13
A priest?
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还是某个祭祀?
02:15
Or perhaps an ordinary person
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或者是一个普通人
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like you or me?
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如你和我?
02:19
We don't know.
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我们不知道
02:21
But the Indus people also left behind artifacts with writing on them.
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但是古印度流域的人们也留下了背面写有字符的手工制品
02:24
Well no, not pieces of plastic,
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不是在塑料片上
02:26
but stone seals, copper tablets,
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而是在石头图章,铜片上
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pottery and, surprisingly,
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陶器,还有令人惊讶的
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one large sign board,
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在很大的符号石板上
02:33
which was found buried near the gate of a city.
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掩埋在城门附近的
02:35
Now we don't know if it says Hollywood,
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所以我们不知道上面是否写了好莱坞
02:37
or even Bollywood for that matter.
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甚至是宝莱坞
02:39
In fact, we don't even know
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事实上,我们不知道
02:41
what any of these objects say,
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上面写的任何东西
02:43
and that's because the Indus script is undeciphered.
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因为我们还不能破译这些印度河文字
02:46
We don't know what any of these symbols mean.
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我们不知道这些符号是什么意思
02:48
The symbols are most commonly found on seals.
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这些符号大多数出现在印章上
02:51
So you see up there one such object.
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你们可以看到这个物品
02:53
It's the square object with the unicorn-like animal on it.
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这个方形的物品上有个像是独角兽的动物
02:56
Now that's a magnificent piece of art.
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这是一件很精致的艺术品
02:58
So how big do you think that is?
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你觉得这块有多大呢?
03:00
Perhaps that big?
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这么大?
03:02
Or maybe that big?
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也许这么大?
03:04
Well let me show you.
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让我来给你看看
03:07
Here's a replica of one such seal.
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这是这枚印章的复制品
03:10
It's only about one inch by one inch in size --
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只有一平方英吋大
03:12
pretty tiny.
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很小
03:14
So what were these used for?
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那这是干什么用的呢?
03:16
We know that these were used for stamping clay tags
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我们知道这是用来盖在黏土标签上的
03:19
that were attached to bundles of goods that were sent from one place to the other.
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一捆捆的货物被附上标签,从一地被运往另一地
03:22
So you know those packing slips you get on your FedEx boxes?
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你知道联邦快递盒子里的那种装箱单吧?
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These were used to make those kinds of packing slips.
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这些就是用来做那些送货单的
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You might wonder what these objects contain
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你也许会想知道这些东西
03:31
in terms of their text.
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包涵了什么文字含义
03:33
Perhaps they're the name of the sender
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也许是寄件人的名字
03:35
or some information about the goods
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或者是某些货物的信息
03:37
that are being sent from one place to the other -- we don't know.
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从一地被送往别处-我们不知道
03:40
We need to decipher the script to answer that question.
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我们需要破解这段文字才能回答那个问题
03:42
Deciphering the script
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破解这段文字
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is not just an intellectual puzzle;
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不只是破解一个智力难题
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it's actually become a question
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事实上这个问题
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that's become deeply intertwined
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深深地和南亚的政治
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with the politics and the cultural history of South Asia.
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文化历史交织在一起
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In fact, the script has become a battleground of sorts
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而对这些文字的争论已经形成了一个战场
03:56
between three different groups of people.
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三群持不同见解团体各持己见
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First, there's a group of people
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第一群人
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who are very passionate in their belief
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热切地坚信
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that the Indus script
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这些印度河流域的字符
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does not represent a language at all.
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完全不代表语言
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These people believe that the symbols
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这些人认为这些符号
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are very similar to the kind of symbols you find on traffic signs
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和交通标示的符号相似
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or the emblems you find on shields.
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也像盾上面的一些象征符号
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There's a second group of people
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第二群人
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who believe that the Indus script represents an Indo-European language.
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相信印度河文字代表着某个印欧语言
04:19
If you look at a map of India today,
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如果你看看印度今日的版图
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you'll see that most of the languages spoken in North India
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很多在印度北部使用的语言
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belong to the Indo-European language family.
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都是属于印欧语系
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So some people believe that the Indus script
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所以一些人相信古印度河文字
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represents an ancient Indo-European language such as Sanskrit.
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是某种古老的印欧语,就像梵语一样
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There's a last group of people
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最后一群人
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who believe that the Indus people
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相信古印度人
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were the ancestors of people living in South India today.
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是现居南印度的人的祖先
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These people believe that the Indus script
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这些人觉得古印度文字
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represents an ancient form
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是达罗毗荼语系下的
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of the Dravidian language family,
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一种古老的文字形式
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which is the language family spoken in much of South India today.
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现今南印度多数人皆使用达罗毗荼语
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And the proponents of this theory
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支持这一理论的人
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point to that small pocket of Dravidian-speaking people in the North,
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指出印度北部有一小部份使用达罗毗荼语的人
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actually near Afghanistan,
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事实上靠近阿富汗
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and they say that perhaps, sometime in the past,
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他们说或许,过去曾经有一段时间
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Dravidian languages were spoken all over India
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整个印度都使用达罗毗荼语
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and that this suggests
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这也意味着
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that the Indus civilization is perhaps also Dravidian.
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印度河文明或许就是达罗毗荼文明
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Which of these hypotheses can be true?
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这些假设哪个是真的呢?
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We don't know, but perhaps if you deciphered the script,
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我们不知道, 但如果你能解开这些文字符号
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you would be able to answer this question.
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你就能回答这个问题
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But deciphering the script is a very challenging task.
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但是破解文字密码是一项很具有挑战性的任务
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First, there's no Rosetta Stone.
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首先, 我们没有罗塞塔石碑
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I don't mean the software;
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我不是指那软件
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I mean an ancient artifact
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我是指那件文物
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that contains in the same text
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上面用我们知道和不知道的文字
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both a known text and an unknown text.
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书写了同样的内容。
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We don't have such an artifact for the Indus script.
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印度河文化中并没有发现同样的古物
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And furthermore, we don't even know what language they spoke.
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而且,我们不知道他们说的是什么语言
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And to make matters even worse,
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更糟的是
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most of the text that we have are extremely short.
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大部份的文字都相当短
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So as I showed you, they're usually found on these seals
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就像我刚才给大家看的,最常发现的是在印章类的东西上
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that are very, very tiny.
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他们都非常非常地小
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And so given these formidable obstacles,
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给我们解读带来了难以克服的障碍
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one might wonder and worry
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有些人或许会担心
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whether one will ever be able to decipher the Indus script.
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是否真的有谁可以解开古印度河文字之谜呢?
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In the rest of my talk,
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在我接下来的演讲中
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I'd like to tell you about how I learned to stop worrying
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我要来告诉各位我怎么学会停止担心
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and love the challenge posed by the Indus script.
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并喜欢上解读古印度河文字所带来的挑战
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I've always been fascinated by the Indus script
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我对古印度河文字的痴迷
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ever since I read about it in a middle school textbook.
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从在中学课本中读到便开始
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And why was I fascinated?
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我为什么会着迷呢?
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Well it's the last major undeciphered script in the ancient world.
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因为这是历史上目前唯一未被破解的重要的古文字
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My career path led me to become a computational neuroscientist,
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我的职业生涯让我成为一个计算机神经科学家
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so in my day job,
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我白天的工作
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I create computer models of the brain
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是在电脑上模拟大脑
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to try to understand how the brain makes predictions,
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试图了借大脑是怎样预知事物的
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how the brain makes decisions,
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大脑是怎样做决定的,
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how the brain learns and so on.
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大脑是怎样学习的等等
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But in 2007, my path crossed again with the Indus script.
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但在2007年,我与古印度河文字重逢
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That's when I was in India,
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当时在印度
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and I had the wonderful opportunity
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我有幸得到机会
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to meet with some Indian scientists
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跟一些印度科学家会面
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who were using computer models to try to analyze the script.
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他们在用计算机模型分析这些文字
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And so it was then that I realized
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那个时候我认识到
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there was an opportunity for me to collaborate with these scientists,
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这是我跟这些科学家合作的一个机会
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and so I jumped at that opportunity.
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所以我立刻就抓住了这个机会
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And I'd like to describe some of the results that we have found.
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我想在这里介绍我们发现的一些结果
06:40
Or better yet, let's all collectively decipher.
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或者更好的是,让我们一起来破解吧
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Are you ready?
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你们准备好了吗?
06:45
The first thing that you need to do when you have an undeciphered script
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当你想要破解文字符号时,首先你要
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is try to figure out the direction of writing.
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分辨书写的方向
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Here are two texts that contain some symbols on them.
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这里有两段相同符号的文字
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Can you tell me
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你能告诉我
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if the direction of writing is right to left or left to right?
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书写的方向是从右到左还是从左到右?
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I'll give you a couple of seconds.
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我给大家几秒钟想一想
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Okay. Right to left, how many? Okay.
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好, 从右到左,有多少人同意?好
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Okay. Left to right?
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从左到右呢?
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Oh, it's almost 50/50. Okay.
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噢,大约是一半一半
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The answer is:
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答案是:
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if you look at the left-hand side of the two texts,
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如果你看这两段文字的左边
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you'll notice that there's a cramping of signs,
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你会注意到左边的符号挤在一起
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and it seems like 4,000 years ago,
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好像是4000年前
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when the scribe was writing from right to left,
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当书写者从右写到左时
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they ran out of space.
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因为最后没地方了写了
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And so they had to cram the sign.
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只能缩小间距
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One of the signs is also below the text on the top.
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其中有一个符号也出现在下面的文字上面
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This suggests the direction of writing
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意味着书写的方向
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was probably from right to left,
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是从右到左的
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and so that's one of the first things we know,
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所以我们知道的第一件事是
07:31
that directionality is a very key aspect of linguistic scripts.
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书写方向是语言符号中一个很关键的方面
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And the Indus script now has
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因此古印度河文字就有了这个
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this particular property.
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特别的特征
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What other properties of language does the script show?
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这文字符号中还有什么其他语言特征?
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Languages contain patterns.
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语言会有一定模式
07:42
If I give you the letter Q
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如果我给你一个字母Q
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and ask you to predict the next letter, what do you think that would be?
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然后请你猜下一个字母,你们觉得会是什么呢?
07:47
Most of you said U, which is right.
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大部份人都会说U,那是对的
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Now if I asked you to predict one more letter,
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现在我请你们再猜下个字母
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what do you think that would be?
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你们觉得会是什么呢?
07:53
Now there's several thoughts. There's E. It could be I. It could be A,
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现在这边有很多种答案,有人说E,可能是I, 也可能是一个A,
07:56
but certainly not B, C or D, right?
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但是肯定不是B,C,或者D,对吗?
07:59
The Indus script also exhibits similar kinds of patterns.
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印度河文字也有类似的模式
08:02
There's a lot of text that start with this diamond-shaped symbol.
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有很多段文字的开头都有菱形符号
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And this in turn tends to be followed
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接着常常是跟着一个
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by this quotation marks-like symbol.
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有点象引号那样的符号
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And this is very similar to a Q and U example.
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这就跟Q跟U的例子很相似
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This symbol can in turn be followed
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这符号之后
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by these fish-like symbols and some other signs,
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会有着类似鱼等其他的符号
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but never by these other signs at the bottom.
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但从来不会是最底下出现的这些符号
08:18
And furthermore, there's some signs
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进一步来说,有些符号
08:20
that really prefer the end of texts,
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常常出现在文章结尾
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such as this jar-shaped sign,
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像是这壶型的记号
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and this sign, in fact, happens to be
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事实上,这记号刚好是
08:26
the most frequently occurring sign in the script.
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在这些文句中最常出现的记号
08:28
Given such patterns, here was our idea.
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看出这些惯用模式后,我们有个想法
08:31
The idea was to use a computer
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就是用电脑
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to learn these patterns,
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去了解这些图案
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and so we gave the computer the existing texts.
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我们将这些现存的文字符号输入电脑
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And the computer learned a statistical model
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然后电脑以某种统计模型
08:40
of which symbols tend to occur together
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算出哪些符号会一起出现
08:42
and which symbols tend to follow each other.
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而哪些符号常以先后顺序出现
08:44
Given the computer model,
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使用此电脑模式
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we can test the model by essentially quizzing it.
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我们可以用考试的方法来测试这个模式
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So we could deliberately erase some symbols,
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我们可以故意去掉某些符号
08:51
and we can ask it to predict the missing symbols.
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我们让计算机来预测缺少的字符
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Here are some examples.
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这是一些例子
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You may regard this
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你们可以把这个看作
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as perhaps the most ancient game
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最古老的
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of Wheel of Fortune.
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幸运大转盘游戏(一个填字游戏)
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What we found
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我们发现
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was that the computer was successful in 75 percent of the cases
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计算机预测正确字符的
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in predicting the correct symbol.
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成功率是75%
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In the rest of the cases,
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剩下的例子中
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typically the second best guess or third best guess was the right answer.
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正确答案不是在第二选择就是在第三选择中
09:19
There's also practical use
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这种预测方法
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for this particular procedure.
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会派到实际的用处
09:23
There's a lot of these texts that are damaged.
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很多文字符号都已经损坏
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Here's an example of one such text.
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这里有个例子
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And we can use the computer model now to try to complete this text
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我们可以使用电脑模式来修复这段文字内容
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and make a best guess prediction.
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并做出最好的猜测
09:32
Here's an example of a symbol that was predicted.
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这就是一个预测的例子
09:35
And this could be really useful as we try to decipher the script
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这非常有用, 在我们破解字符的过程中
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by generating more data that we can analyze.
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让我们得到了更多可供分析的数据
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Now here's one other thing you can do with the computer model.
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还有另一件事也是可以利用电脑模式来做的
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So imagine a monkey
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想象有个猴子
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sitting at a keyboard.
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坐在键盘上
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I think you might get a random jumble of letters that looks like this.
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我猜会得到一堆像这样随机跑出的字母
09:50
Such a random jumble of letters
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这些随机混乱的字母
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is said to have a very high entropy.
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说明了很高的熵
09:54
This is a physics and information theory term.
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这是物理学和信息理论的说法
09:56
But just imagine it's a really random jumble of letters.
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但想像这是相当随机混乱的字母排列
09:59
How many of you have ever spilled coffee on a keyboard?
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你们中多少人曾经将咖啡溅在键盘上?
10:03
You might have encountered the stuck-key problem --
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你也许会碰到键盘卡住的问题
10:05
so basically the same symbol being repeated over and over again.
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所以同一个字符会一再重复
10:08
This kind of a sequence is said to have a very low entropy
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这类的数列可以说有着非常低的熵
10:11
because there's no variation at all.
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因为它们一点都没变化
10:13
Language, on the other hand, has an intermediate level of entropy;
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语言,从别个角度说,有着中间程度的熵
10:16
it's neither too rigid,
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它不是很严格
10:18
nor is it too random.
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也不是很随机
10:20
What about the Indus script?
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那印度河字符呢?
10:22
Here's a graph that plots the entropies of a whole bunch of sequences.
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这个图表显示了一大堆顺序的熵值
10:26
At the very top you find the uniformly random sequence,
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你会在上面发现那些随机顺序
10:28
which is a random jumble of letters --
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那是一些杂乱随机放置的字母
10:30
and interestingly, we also find
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有趣的是, 我们同时发现
10:32
the DNA sequence from the human genome and instrumental music.
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人类基因的DNA排序和乐器演奏的音乐
10:35
And both of these are very, very flexible,
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它们都非常非常灵活
10:37
which is why you find them in the very high range.
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所以他们处在高程度的范围里
10:39
At the lower end of the scale,
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在低端范围里
10:41
you find a rigid sequence, a sequence of all A's,
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你可以发现很严格的顺序, 比如全是字母A的排列
10:43
and you also find a computer program,
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你还会发现一个计算机程序
10:45
in this case in the language Fortran,
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是用FORTRAN语言写的
10:47
which obeys really strict rules.
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它遵循严格的规则
10:49
Linguistic scripts
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语言文字
10:51
occupy the middle range.
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占中间段
10:53
Now what about the Indus script?
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那印度河文字呢?
10:55
We found that the Indus script
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我们发现印度河流域的文字
10:57
actually falls within the range of the linguistic scripts.
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的数值正好落在语言文字段里
10:59
When this result was first published,
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这个结果刚公布的时候
11:01
it was highly controversial.
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引起了很大的争议
11:04
There were people who raised a hue and cry,
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有人提出强烈反对
11:07
and these people were the ones who believed
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这些批评的人认为
11:09
that the Indus script does not represent language.
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古印度河文字根本不是文字
11:12
I even started to get some hate mail.
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我甚至收到一些恶意信函
11:14
My students said
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我的学生说
11:16
that I should really seriously consider getting some protection.
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我应该要严肃地考虑怎样保护自身安危
11:19
Who'd have thought
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谁会想到
11:21
that deciphering could be a dangerous profession?
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解读古文字会变成一种危险职业
11:23
What does this result really show?
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这结果说明了什么呢?
11:25
It shows that the Indus script
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说明了古印度河文字
11:27
shares an important property of language.
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有着重要的语言特征
11:29
So, as the old saying goes,
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所以,就像老话说的那样
11:31
if it looks like a linguistic script
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如果这看起来像是语言性文字
11:33
and it acts like a linguistic script,
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且它也有语言性文字的功用
11:35
then perhaps we may have a linguistic script on our hands.
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恐怕我们手里捧着的大概就是一种语言文字
11:38
What other evidence is there
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有什么其他证据显示
11:40
that the script could actually encode language?
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这类文字事实上包涵语言
11:42
Well linguistic scripts can actually encode multiple languages.
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语言字符其实可以被包括在多种语言中
11:45
So for example, here's the same sentence written in English
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比如,这是同样一句话写成英语
11:48
and the same sentence written in Dutch
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这是这句话写成荷兰语
11:50
using the same letters of the alphabet.
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用到同样的字母
11:52
If you don't know Dutch and you only know English
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如果你不懂荷兰语只知道英语
11:55
and I give you some words in Dutch,
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我给你看一些荷兰语单词
11:57
you'll tell me that these words contain
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你会说这些词包涵了
11:59
some very unusual patterns.
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一些独特的模式
12:01
Some things are not right,
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有些地方不对
12:03
and you'll say these words are probably not English words.
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你也会说这些不是英文单词
12:06
The same thing happens in the case of the Indus script.
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这同样也发生在印度河文字中
12:08
The computer found several texts --
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计算机也发现一些文字
12:10
two of them are shown here --
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这里有两三个
12:12
that have very unusual patterns.
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他们具有很独特的模式
12:14
So for example the first text:
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比如,第一个例子
12:16
there's a doubling of this jar-shaped sign.
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这个壶形字符被重复
12:19
This sign is the most frequently-occurring sign
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这个符号是印度河文字里
12:21
in the Indus script,
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最常见的一个记号
12:23
and it's only in this text
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而只在这段文字里
12:25
that it occurs as a doubling pair.
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它以成对的模式出现
12:27
Why is that the case?
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为什么呢?
12:29
We went back and looked at where these particular texts were found,
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我们回去找这些特殊的文字是在哪里找到的
12:32
and it turns out that they were found
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我们发现它们出现在离
12:34
very, very far away from the Indus Valley.
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印度河谷十分遥远的地方
12:36
They were found in present day Iraq and Iran.
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它们是在现在的伊朗和伊拉克被发现的
12:39
And why were they found there?
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它们怎么会出现在那里呢?
12:41
What I haven't told you is that
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我还没有告诉你们
12:43
the Indus people were very, very enterprising.
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印度人相当会做生意
12:45
They used to trade with people pretty far away from where they lived,
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他们曾跑到离他们居住很远的地方去做交易
12:48
and so in this case, they were traveling by sea
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在这个例子中,他们跨越海洋
12:51
all the way to Mesopotamia, present-day Iraq.
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到了两河流域,也就是今天的伊拉克
12:54
And what seems to have happened here
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看起来
12:56
is that the Indus traders, the merchants,
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印度的生意人,商人
12:59
were using this script to write a foreign language.
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在用这些文字记录外语
13:02
It's just like our English and Dutch example.
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就好比英语和荷兰语的例子
13:04
And that would explain why we have these strange patterns
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这可以解释为什么我们会发现这些奇怪的规律
13:06
that are very different from the kinds of patterns you see in the text
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它们和在印度河流域发现的文字的规律
13:09
that are found within the Indus Valley.
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非常不同
13:12
This suggests that the same script, the Indus script,
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这说明印度河文字,同样的文字
13:14
could be used to write different languages.
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可能被用来记录不同的语言
13:17
The results we have so far seem to point to the conclusion
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根据我们现有的研究结果指向的结论来看
13:20
that the Indus script probably does represent language.
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印度河流域的这些字符代表语言
13:23
If it does represent language,
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而如果它的确代表语言
13:25
then how do we read the symbols?
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那么我们怎样来解读这些符号
13:27
That's our next big challenge.
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这是对我们最大的挑战
13:29
So you'll notice that many of the symbols
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你注意到很多这些符号
13:31
look like pictures of humans, of insects,
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看上去像人和昆虫的图画
13:33
of fishes, of birds.
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或者鱼,鸟
13:36
Most ancient scripts
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很多古代的字符
13:38
use the rebus principle,
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都使用了画谜原则
13:40
which is, using pictures to represent words.
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也就是用图画代表字词
13:43
So as an example, here's a word.
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比如, 这是一个词
13:46
Can you write it using pictures?
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你能用图画来书写吗?
13:48
I'll give you a couple seconds.
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我给你们几秒钟
13:50
Got it?
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画好了吗
13:52
Okay. Great.
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13:54
Here's my solution.
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这是我的答案
13:56
You could use the picture of a bee followed by a picture of a leaf --
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你可以用一片树叶(leaf)跟了一只蜜蜂(bee)
13:58
and that's "belief," right.
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那就是"相信“(发音跟bee加leaf接近)对吗?
14:00
There could be other solutions.
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也可能有其他的答案
14:02
In the case of the Indus script,
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对印度河字符来说
14:04
the problem is the reverse.
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我们的面临着反向的挑战
14:06
You have to figure out the sounds of each of these pictures
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你得找到每幅图的发声
14:09
such that the entire sequence makes sense.
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整个排列秩序意义通顺
14:11
So this is just like a crossword puzzle,
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所以这就跟填字游戏一样
14:14
except that this is the mother of all crossword puzzles
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只不过这是所有填字游戏的鼻祖
14:17
because the stakes are so high if you solve it.
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因为破解它的价值太可观了
14:21
My colleagues, Iravatham Mahadevan and Asko Parpola,
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我的同事, Iravatham Mahadevan 和 Asko Parpola
14:24
have been making some headway on this particular problem.
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已经在这个特殊的问题上取得了一定的进展
14:26
And I'd like to give you a quick example of Parpola's work.
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我给你你们看一个Parpola研究的例子
14:28
Here's a really short text.
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这是一段很短的文字
14:30
It contains seven vertical strokes followed by this fish-like sign.
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它里面有7个竖笔,跟了一个象鱼的形状
14:33
And I want to mention that these seals were used
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我得提一下这些章用于
14:35
for stamping clay tags
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印在黏土标签上
14:37
that were attached to bundles of goods,
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然后附在一捆捆的货物上
14:39
so it's quite likely that these tags, at least some of them,
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所以这些标签,至少其中的一些
14:42
contain names of merchants.
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有商品的名字
14:44
And it turns out that in India
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而在印度
14:46
there's a long tradition
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这是一个久远的传统
14:48
of names being based on horoscopes
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名字是根据星座
14:50
and star constellations present at the time of birth.
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和生日的时候展示的星宿来定的
14:53
In Dravidian languages,
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在达罗毗荼语系中
14:55
the word for fish is "meen"
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鱼的发音是“meen”
14:57
which happens to sound just like the word for star.
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而这个字的发音跟星星刚好相同
15:00
And so seven stars
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所以七颗星星
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would stand for "elu meen,"
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代表“elu meen”
15:04
which is the Dravidian word
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就是达罗毗荼语的
15:06
for the Big Dipper star constellation.
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北斗七星
15:08
Similarly, there's another sequence of six stars,
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同样地,这里有六颗星
15:11
and that translates to "aru meen,"
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可以听作“aru meen”
15:13
which is the old Dravidian name
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是一个达罗毗荼语的旧名词
15:15
for the star constellation Pleiades.
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代表昴宿星团
15:17
And finally, there's other combinations,
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最后, 还有其他的组合
15:20
such as this fish sign with something that looks like a roof on top of it.
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比如鱼的符号上有个顶
15:23
And that could be translated into "mey meen,"
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可以说成“MEY meen”
15:26
which is the old Dravidian name for the planet Saturn.
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在旧达罗毗荼语中指土星
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So that was pretty exciting.
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让人感到振奋的是
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It looks like we're getting somewhere.
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我们似乎有所进展
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But does this prove
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但这样是否就能证明
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that these seals contain Dravidian names
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这些印章上达罗毗荼语的名字
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based on planets and star constellations?
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是基于星球和星座呢?
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Well not yet.
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还不能
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So we have no way of validating
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我们没有办法验证
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these particular readings,
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这些解读方式是正确的
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but if more and more of these readings start making sense,
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但是如果越来越多的解读开始有道理
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and if longer and longer sequences
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而越来越长的排序
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appear to be correct,
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显示出正确性
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then we know that we are on the right track.
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那我们就知道我们走上了正道
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Today,
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今天
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we can write a word such as TED
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我们可以用埃及象形文字以及楔形文字
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in Egyptian hieroglyphics and in cuneiform script,
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写下的TED这样的名字
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because both of these were deciphered
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因为人们在十九世纪
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in the 19th century.
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就破解了这两种文字符号
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The decipherment of these two scripts
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这两种文字的破解
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enabled these civilizations to speak to us again directly.
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使得这些古文明能与我们再次直接的交流
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The Mayans
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玛雅文明
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started speaking to us in the 20th century,
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也在20世纪开始与我们对话
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but the Indus civilization remains silent.
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而印度河流域的文明至今保持沉默
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Why should we care?
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我们为什么在乎呢?
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The Indus civilization does not belong
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印度河流域的文化不仅仅属于
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to just the South Indians or the North Indians
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南印度或者是北印度
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or the Pakistanis;
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或者是巴基斯坦
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it belongs to all of us.
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它是属于我们大家的
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These are our ancestors --
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他们是我们的祖先
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yours and mine.
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你们的也是我们的
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They were silenced
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因为在历史发展中不幸
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by an unfortunate accident of history.
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偶然地沉寂了
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If we decipher the script,
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如果我们破解了这些字符
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we would enable them to speak to us again.
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我们可以让他们再一次和我们交流
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What would they tell us?
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他们会告诉我们什么呢?
16:43
What would we find out about them? About us?
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我们会在他们身上和我们自己身上发现什么呢?
16:46
I can't wait to find out.
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我迫不及待地想要找到答案
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Thank you.
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谢谢
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(Applause)
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