Ben Goldacre: Battling Bad Science

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翻译人员: Chunxiang Qian 校对人员: Yuanyuan Ji
00:15
So I'm a doctor, but I kind of slipped sideways into research,
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我是名医生,又另起炉灶做研究
00:18
and now I'm an epidemiologist.
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如今我是名流行病学家
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And nobody really knows what epidemiology is.
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没有人真正知道什么是流行病学
00:22
Epidemiology is the science of how we know in the real world
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流行病学是了解现实世界里
00:25
if something is good for you or bad for you.
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某种东西对我们是有益还是有害的科学
00:27
And it's best understood through example
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了解它最好的方法就是例子了
00:29
as the science of those crazy, wacky newspaper headlines.
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特别是那些疯狂古怪的报纸头条
00:34
And these are just some of the examples.
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这里有几个例子
00:36
These are from the Daily Mail.
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首先来看每日邮报。每个国家都有像这样的报纸
00:38
Every country in the world has a newspaper like this.
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它们的一项长期而古怪的哲学使命就是
00:40
It has this bizarre, ongoing philosophical project
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把这世上所有的事物
00:43
of dividing all the inanimate objects in the world
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分成致癌和防癌两类
00:45
into the ones that either cause or prevent cancer.
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00:47
Here are some of the things they said cause cancer:
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这些是最近发布的致癌的东西:
离婚,无线网,梳妆用品还有咖啡
00:50
divorce, Wi-Fi, toiletries and coffee.
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这些是防癌的:
00:52
Some things they say prevent cancer:
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面包皮,红辣椒,甘草和咖啡
00:54
crusts, red pepper, licorice and coffee.
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你已经发现了自相矛盾之处
00:56
So you can see there are contradictions.
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咖啡既致癌又防癌
00:58
Coffee both causes and prevents cancer.
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如果继续读下去
01:00
As you start to read on, you can see
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01:01
that maybe there's some political valence behind some of this.
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你会开始怀疑这类报道是否别有用心
01:04
For women, housework prevents breast cancer,
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“女人们,做家务能预防乳腺癌”
01:06
but for men, shopping could make you impotent.
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“购物可能导致男人性无能”
01:09
(Laughter)
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那么我们就要
01:10
So we know that we need to start unpicking the science behind this.
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揭开这些说法一看究竟
01:15
And what I hope to show is that unpicking the evidence behind dodgy claims
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我要说明的观点是
揭穿骗人的说法
以及它们背后的证据
01:21
isn't a kind of nasty, carping activity;
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这不是卑鄙的吹毛求疵行为
01:24
it's socially useful.
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这是对社会有用的
01:26
But it's also an extremely valuable explanatory tool,
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也是极有价值的
阐述工具
01:30
because real science is about critically appraising the evidence
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因为真正的科学
是批判性地评估他人提出的论据
01:33
for somebody else's position.
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这是就学术期刊的评审方法
01:35
That's what happens in academic journals,
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也是学术会议上的常事
01:37
it's what happens at academic conferences --
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会场发言完毕后的提问环节
01:39
the Q&A session after a postdoc presents data is often a bloodbath.
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常常是场血战
01:42
And nobody minds that; we actively welcome it.
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没人会介意,我们反而十分欢迎
01:44
It's like a consenting intellectual S&M activity.
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就像是自愿的智力上的SM一样
01:47
(Laughter)
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我将展示给你们的
01:49
So what I'm going to show you is all of the main things,
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东西是
我研究领域和核心内容和特色-
01:52
all of the main features of my discipline, evidence-based medicine.
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循证医学
01:55
And I will talk you through all of these and demonstrate how they work,
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我将给各位讲解
并展示那些出了纰漏的例子
01:59
exclusively using examples of people getting stuff wrong.
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是如何欺骗大众的
02:02
We'll start with the absolute weakest form of evidence known to man,
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首先是最不堪一击的证据来源
权威人士
02:06
and that is authority.
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在科学面前,你名字后面有多少头衔并不重要
02:08
In science, we don't care how many letters you have after your name --
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我们在乎的是你确信某事的原因是什么
02:11
we want to know what your reasons are for believing something.
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你是怎么知道什么对我们有益
02:14
How do you know that something is good for us or bad for us?
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什么又有害?
02:17
But we're also unimpressed by authority because it's so easy to contrive.
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不过我们早就对权威不感冒了
因为如今权威的身份太容易伪造
02:21
This is somebody called Dr. Gillian McKeith, PhD,
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这是个叫Gillian McKeith的博士(医生?)
加上她的医学头衔嘛,也就是Gillian McKeith
02:24
or, to give her full medical title, Gillian McKeith.
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(笑声)
02:27
(Laughter)
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每个国家都有这样一个人
02:30
Again, every country has somebody like this.
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她是电视饮食节目大师
02:32
She is our TV diet guru.
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02:33
She has five series of prime-time television,
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上五个黄金档的系列节目
02:36
giving out very lavish and exotic health advice.
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放出丰富又充满异域风情的保健意见
02:39
She, it turns out, has a non-accredited correspondence course PhD
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结果发现她的学历是不知美国哪儿的
一个不可信的函授博士
02:43
from somewhere in America.
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02:44
She also boasts that she's a certified professional member
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她还吹牛说她是美国营养咨询师协会的
持证专业人员
02:47
of the American Association of Nutritional Consultants,
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这听起来大有来头
02:49
which sounds very glamorous; you get a certificate.
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一张证书就能解决一切
02:52
This one belongs to my dead cat, Hettie. She was a horrible cat.
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这是我死掉的猫Hetti的证。她可一点都不乖
你只要到网站主页填张表
02:55
You go to the website, fill out the form,
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交60美元,证书就寄到你家去
02:57
give them $60, it arrives in the post.
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这不是我们认为她是个蠢货的唯一原因
02:59
That's not the only reason we think this person is an idiot.
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她还说
03:01
She also says things like eat lots of dark green leaves,
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你应该吃大量的暗绿色叶子
03:04
they contain chlorophyll and really oxygenate your blood.
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因为它们含有大量叶绿素,能给你的血液提供氧气
只要学过生物学的人都知道
03:07
And anybody who's done school biology remembers
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叶绿素和叶绿体
03:09
that chlorophyll and chloroplasts only make oxygen in sunlight,
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只通过光合作用产生氧气
03:12
and it's quite dark in your bowels after you've eaten spinach.
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如果你把菠菜吃下去,胃里肯定一片漆黑
接下来,我们需要正确的科学,正当的证据
03:16
Next, we need proper science, proper evidence.
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03:18
So: "Red wine can help prevent breast cancer."
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“红酒能防止乳腺癌”
这是英国每日电讯报的头条
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This is a headline from The Daily Telegraph in the UK.
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“每天一杯红酒能防止乳腺癌”
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"A glass of red wine a day could help prevent breast cancer."
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你读了报纸
03:26
So you find this paper, and find that it is a real piece of science.
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会觉得真是科学的
03:29
It's a description of the changes in the behavior of one enzyme
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其解释说,在一个什么实验室里
03:32
when you drip a chemical extracted from some red grape skin
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一个凳子上有个装着癌细胞的碟子
你把红葡萄皮的提取物滴在细胞上
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onto some cancer cells
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03:37
in a dish on a bench in a laboratory somewhere.
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就有个酶发生变化
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And that's a really useful thing to describe in a scientific paper.
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在一个有科学性的报纸上
如此描述是很有用
03:44
But on the question of your own personal risk of getting breast cancer
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但是至于你喝红酒患乳腺癌风险的事
它只字没提
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if you drink red wine,
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它什么都没说
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it tells you absolutely bugger all.
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事实上,如果你每喝一次酒
03:51
Actually, it turns out that your risk of breast cancer
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患乳腺癌的机率
03:53
increases slightly with every amount of alcohol you drink.
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都会相应轻微地上升
03:56
So what we want are studies in real human people.
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我们需要的是针对人进行的研究
04:00
And here's another example.
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这是另一个例子
04:02
This is from Britain's "leading" diet nutritionist in the Daily Mirror,
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来自英国每日镜报的人气营养师
镜报是我们全国销售量第二的报纸
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our second-biggest selling newspaper.
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“2001年澳大利亚一项研究
04:08
"An Australian study in 2001 found that olive oil,
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表明橄榄油与水果,蔬菜和豆子一起食用
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in combination with fruits, vegetables and pulses,
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对皮肤防皱有可观的效果”
04:12
offers measurable protection against skin wrinklings,"
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然后他们开出建议:
04:15
and give the advice:
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“如果你使用橄榄油和蔬菜,你的皱纹就会减少”
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"If you eat olive oil and vegetables, you'll have fewer wrinkles."
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他们还给出文献出处
04:19
They helpfully tell you how to find the paper,
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如果你去找该论文,会发现它是个观察性研究
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and what you find is an observational study.
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显然没有人
04:24
Obviously, nobody has been able to go back to 1930,
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能回到1930年
找到在同一个产科出生的所有人群样本
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get all the people born in one maternity unit,
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04:29
and half of them eat lots of fruit and veg and olive oil,
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让一半人大量食用水果蔬菜和橄榄油
另一半吃麦当劳
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half of them eat McDonald's,
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04:33
and then we see how many wrinkles you've got later.
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然后看看他们长了多少皱纹
你得存照纪录人们的样子
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You have to take a snapshot of how people are now.
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当然你发现
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And what you find is, of course:
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吃水果蔬菜和橄榄油的人皱纹少
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people who eat veg and olive oil have fewer wrinkles.
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04:42
But that's because people who eat fruit and veg and olive oil are freaks --
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但那是因为吃水果蔬菜和橄榄油的人
他们是怪胎,不正常,和你一样;
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they're not normal, they're like you; they come to events like this.
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他们来参加这样的活动
04:50
(Laughter)
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他们优雅,富有,不大可能从事户外工作
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They're posh, they're wealthy, less likely to have outdoor jobs,
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很少从事体力劳动
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less likely to do manual labor,
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04:55
they have better social support, are less likely to smoke;
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他们有更好的社会基础,不大抽烟-
所以是因为整体关联的
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for a host of fascinating, interlocking
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社会政治文化的缘故
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social, political and cultural reasons,
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他们较不易产生皱纹
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they're less likely to have wrinkles.
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这不意味着是蔬菜或橄榄油的功劳
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That doesn't mean it's the vegetables or olive oil.
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(笑声)
05:06
(Laughter)
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做试验往往是最好的选择
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So ideally, what you want to do is a trial.
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05:10
People think they're familiar with the idea of a trial.
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每个人都觉得这是他们熟悉的话题
试验是老话题。第一个试验是圣经里-《但以理书》第一章第十二节
05:13
Trials are old; the first one was in the Bible, Daniel 1:12.
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非常简单-找一群人,分两组
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It's straightforward: take a bunch of people, split them in half,
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用不同的方式分别对待两组人
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treat one group one way, the other group, the other way.
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之后你跟着他们
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A while later, you see what happened to each of them.
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看他们都怎么样了
我要给你讲的试验
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I'm going to tell you about one trial,
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也许是过去十年间英国媒体上
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which is probably the most well-reported trial
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曝光率最高的试验
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in the UK news media over the past decade.
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这就是关于鱼肝油胶囊的试验
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This is the trial of fish oil pills.
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这个说法是鱼肝油胶囊能提高大部分学生的在校表现
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The claim: fish oil pills improve school performance and behavior
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和行为习惯
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in mainstream children.
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他们说“我们做过试验
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They said, "We did a trial.
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All the previous ones were positive, this one will be too."
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之前都显示正面结果,我们可以肯定这次也是”
这是个警示
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That should ring alarm bells:
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如果你已经知道一个试验的结果,那还进行干什么
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if you know the answer to your trial, you shouldn't be doing one.
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或者说如果实验设计就存在人为操纵性
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Either you've rigged it by design,
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05:46
or you've got enough data so there's no need to randomize people anymore.
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或者你已经有足够的数据那就没有必要再随机挑选更多的人了
试验是这样进行的:
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So this is what they were going to do in their trial:
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05:52
They were taking 3,000 children,
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他们找了三千名儿童
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they were going to give them these huge fish oil pills, six of them a day,
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给他们大个儿的鱼肝油药片
每天6个
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and then, a year later, measure their school exam performance
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一年以后,他们去测量他们的在校测试表现
06:01
and compare their performance
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并把在校测试表现和
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against what they predicted their exam performance would have been
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在没有摄入鱼肝油的情况下他们预期的测试表现
进行对比
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if they hadn't had the pills.
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06:08
Now, can anybody spot a flaw in this design?
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你看出了设计缺陷吗?
06:11
(Laughter)
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临床医学试验方法论的教授
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And no professors of clinical trial methodology
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06:14
are allowed to answer this question.
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不允许回答这个问题
06:16
So there's no control group.
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是的,没有对照组!
06:18
But that sounds really techie, right? That's a technical term.
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这听上去挺技术范儿
这是个术语
06:21
The kids got the pills, and their performance improved.
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食用了药片的孩子表现提高了
06:24
What else could it possibly be if it wasn't the pills?
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不然还能怎样呢?
他们长大了,我们都会随着时间不断发展
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They got older; we all develop over time.
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06:30
And of course, there's the placebo effect,
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当然,这里还有安慰效应在起作用
06:32
one of the most fascinating things in the whole of medicine.
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安慰效应是医学上最不可思议的玩意之一
不仅仅是吃一个药片,你的表现提升,痛苦缓解这么简单
06:35
It's not just taking a pill and performance or pain improving;
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而是关乎我们的信念和期待
06:38
it's about our beliefs and expectations, the cultural meaning of a treatment.
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这就是治疗的文化意义
大量研究已经通过不同的安慰剂对照试验
06:42
And this has been demonstrated in a whole raft of fascinating studies
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展示了这种效应
06:45
comparing one kind of placebo against another.
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06:47
So we know, for example,
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我们知道,比如说,每天2个糖丸
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that two sugar pills a day are a more effective treatment
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比一个糖丸在治疗胃溃疡上
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for gastric ulcers
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更有效
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than one sugar pill.
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每天2个糖丸胜过每天1个糖丸
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Two sugar pills a day beats one a day.
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这是个令人吃惊的荒唐发现,但这是真的
06:56
That's an outrageous and ridiculous finding, but it's true.
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06:58
We know from three different studies on three different types of pain
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针对3种不同的痛症的3个研究显示
盐水注射比食用糖丸对痛症更有效
07:02
that a saltwater injection is a more effective treatment
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糖丸里头根本没有药-
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than a sugar pill, a dummy pill with no medicine in it,
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07:07
not because the injection or pills do anything physically to the body,
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并不是说注射或者药丸对身体有任何物理影响
07:10
but because an injection feels like a much more dramatic intervention.
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而是因为感觉上注射是一种更强力的手段
我们知道我们的信念和期待
07:14
So we know that our beliefs and expectations can be manipulated,
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是可被操纵的
07:17
which is why we do trials where we control against a placebo,
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这就是为什么试验上
需要安慰剂对照组-
07:21
where one half of the people get the real treatment,
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这样一半人接受真正的治疗
07:23
and the other half get placebo.
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一半人得到安慰剂
07:25
But that's not enough.
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但这并不够
07:28
What I've just shown you are examples
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我刚刚展示的是非常简单直观的例子
07:30
of the very simple and straightforward ways
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记者、保健食品商贩
07:32
that journalists and food supplement pill peddlers and naturopaths
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和理疗家
07:35
can distort evidence for their own purposes.
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都能为各自的目的歪曲证据
07:38
What I find really fascinating
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真正令人惊讶的是
07:40
is that the pharmaceutical industry uses exactly the same kinds
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制药产业
用一样的手段和方式
07:43
of tricks and devices,
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只不过更加隐秘精巧
07:45
but slightly more sophisticated versions of them,
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07:47
in order to distort the evidence they give to doctors and patients,
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来歪曲他们给医生和患者的证据
而那些是我们用来做重要决定的证据
07:51
and which we use to make vitally important decisions.
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07:53
So firstly, trials against placebo:
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首先,安慰剂对照组:
谁都知道要用新药
07:56
everybody thinks a trial should be a comparison
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和安慰剂对照组做试验
07:58
of your new drug against placebo.
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但是很多情况下这是错的
08:00
But in a lot of situations that's wrong;
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因为通常我们目前已经有一个有效的治疗方法
08:02
often, we already have a good treatment currently available.
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所以我们想要知道的不是你的新疗法
08:05
So we don't want to know that your alternative new treatment
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比坐以待毙强
08:08
is better than nothing,
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我们想知道的是它是不是比目前的疗法更有效
08:09
but that it's better than the best available treatment we have.
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但是你总是看到他们做
08:12
And yet, repeatedly, you consistently see people doing trials
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安慰剂对照试验
08:15
still against placebo.
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08:16
And you can get licensed to bring your drug to market
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这样你就能拿到许可证进入市场了
08:18
with only data showing that it's better than nothing,
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而试验数据只显示此药只不过比什么都没有好点
这对像我一样的医生要做决定一点帮助都没有
08:21
which is useless for a doctor like me trying to make a decision.
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这还不是操纵数据的唯一手段
08:24
But that's not the only way you can rig your data.
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你还可以通过
08:26
You can also rig your data
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将你的新药和真的废物做对照试验
08:28
by making the thing you compare your new drug against
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来操纵数据
08:30
really rubbish.
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08:31
You can give the competing drug in too low a dose,
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你可以将对照药物剂量控制在非常低的水平
这样人们没有得到适当的治疗
08:34
so people aren't properly treated.
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也可以将对照药物剂量控制在非常高的水平
08:36
You can give the competing drug in too high a dose,
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这样就产生副作用
08:38
so people get side effects.
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08:39
And this is exactly what happened
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治疗精神分裂症的安定药
08:41
with antipsychotic medication for schizophrenia.
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就是这么干的
08:43
Twenty years ago, a new generation of antipsychotic drugs were brought in;
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20年前,一批新的安定药面世
有承诺说它们的副作用更低
08:47
the promise was they would have fewer side effects.
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人们就对这些新药做了试验
08:50
So people set about doing trials of the new drugs against the old drugs.
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跟旧的药对比
08:53
But they gave the old drugs in ridiculously high doses:
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但他们使用的旧药剂量无比之高-
每天20毫克的氟哌丁苯
08:56
20 milligrams a day of haloperidol.
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毫无疑问
08:58
And it's a foregone conclusion if you give a drug at that high a dose,
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如果这么大的剂量
09:01
it will have more side effects, and your new drug will look better.
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肯定会导致更多的副作用从而让新药看上去更好
10年前,历史重演,有趣的是
09:05
Ten years ago, history repeated itself,
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当利培酮,这一第二代抗精神病药的先锋
09:07
when risperidone, the first of the new-generation antipsychotic drugs,
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产权到期的时候,谁都可以进行生产
09:10
came off copyright, so anybody could make copies.
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09:12
Everybody wanted to show their drug was better than risperidone,
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每个人都想展示他们的药比利培酮好
接着你就看到一堆新的抗精神病药的对照试验
09:15
so you see trials comparing new antipsychotic drugs
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和每天8毫克的利培酮对照
09:18
against risperidone at eight milligrams a day.
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这个剂量不算疯狂,不是违法
09:20
Again, not an insane dose, not an illegal dose,
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但绝对超出正常
09:22
but very much at the high end of normal.
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所以你肯定能让新药表现更好
09:24
So you're bound to make your new drug look better.
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果不其然
09:27
And so it's no surprise that overall,
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09:29
industry-funded trials are four times more likely
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制药业赞助的试验
比私人赞助试验得到正面结果(阳性结果)的机率
09:32
to give a positive result
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09:33
than independently sponsored trials.
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要高出4倍
09:36
But -- and it's a big but --
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但是-这是一个很大的但是-
09:39
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
结果是
09:42
it turns out,
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09:43
when you look at the methods used by industry-funded trials,
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如果你查看制药业赞助的试验使用的方法
反而比私人赞助试验的方法
09:47
that they're actually better than independently sponsored trials.
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更好
09:50
And yet, they always manage to get the result that they want.
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不过他们总能得到他们想要的结果
09:53
So how does this work?
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那这是怎么回事?
09:54
(Laughter)
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怎么解释这一奇怪现象?
09:56
How can we explain this strange phenomenon?
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09:58
Well, it turns out that what happens
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实际情况是
10:00
is the negative data goes missing in action;
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负面结果的数据完全丢失;
10:02
it's withheld from doctors and patients.
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医生和患者扣留着这些信息
10:04
And this is the most important aspect of the whole story.
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这是整个过程里最重要的一个方面
这是证据金字塔的塔尖
10:07
It's at the top of the pyramid of evidence.
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我们需要一个疗法的所有数据
10:09
We need to have all of the data on a particular treatment
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才能知道它是否有效
10:12
to know whether or not it really is effective.
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有两种方法你可以发现
10:14
There are two different ways you can spot whether some data has gone missing.
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是否有数据丢失
可以用统计学,或者事例
10:18
You can use statistics or you can use stories.
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10:20
I prefer statistics, so that's what I'll do first.
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我个人倾向统计学,所以我首先做的就是
10:22
This is a funnel plot.
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漏斗图分析
10:24
A funnel plot is a very clever way of spotting
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漏斗图是个非常好的方法
10:26
if small negative trials have disappeared, have gone missing in action.
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来查看是否有少量负面结果丢失
10:29
This is a graph of all of the trials done on a particular treatment.
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这是针对某项疗法的
所有试验图表
10:33
As you go up towards the top of the graph,
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图片上部
10:35
what you see is each dot is a trial.
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每一个点是一个试验
10:37
As you go up, those are bigger trials, so they've got less error;
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越往上,试验规模越大,误差也就越小
10:40
they're less likely to be randomly false positives or negatives.
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也就是越少随机的假阳性和假阴性结果 (阳性即表示试验结果是肯定治疗药物的疗效的,译者注)
10:43
So they all cluster together.
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它们会聚集在一起
10:45
The big trials are closer to the true answer.
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越大的试验越接近事实
10:47
Then as you go further down at the bottom,
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越往下
10:49
what you can see is, on this side, spurious false negatives,
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可以发现,这一边是伪造的假阴性结果
10:52
and over on this side, spurious false positives.
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那边是伪造的假阳性结果
如果有发表偏倚(有统计学意义的结果更易被发表)
10:55
If there is publication bias,
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如果得出负面结果的小规模试验数据丢失
10:57
if small negative trials have gone missing in action,
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10:59
you can see it on one of these graphs.
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你可以在这些图表中找到
11:01
So you see here that the small negative trials
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这里可以看见,应该在图表左下的
11:03
that should be on the bottom left have disappeared.
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得出负面结果的小规模试验不见了
这个图表展示的是关于发表偏倚的研究里
11:06
This is a graph demonstrating the presence of publication bias
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出现的发表偏倚
11:09
in studies of publication bias.
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我觉得这是你听过的最有意思的
11:11
And I think that's the funniest epidemiology joke you will ever hear.
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关于“流行病”的笑话
11:14
(Laughter)
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这就是统计证明方法
11:15
That's how you can prove it statistically.
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那事例法呢?
11:17
But what about stories?
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11:18
Well, they're heinous, they really are.
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那个就比较可恶了
11:20
This is a drug called reboxetine.
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有种药叫瑞波西汀(抗抑郁药)
11:22
This is a drug which I, myself, have prescribed to patients.
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我曾给一位病人开过这个药
而我是个超级书呆子的医生
11:25
And I'm a very nerdy doctor.
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11:26
I hope I go out of my way
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我寄希望于阅读和理解所有文献
11:27
to try and read and understand all the literature.
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我读了试验资料,都是正面结果,都是正规操作
11:30
I read the trials on this.
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11:31
They were all positive, all well-conducted.
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没发现漏洞
11:33
I found no flaw.
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但不幸的是
11:35
Unfortunately, it turned out, that many of these trials were withheld.
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很多试验结果被扣留
11:38
In fact, 76 percent of all of the trials that were done on this drug
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此药有76%的
试验结果都
被医生和病人保留
11:43
were withheld from doctors and patients.
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你想想
11:45
Now if you think about it,
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11:46
if I tossed a coin a hundred times,
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如果我把硬币扔一百次
11:48
and I'm allowed to withhold from you the answers half the times,
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我可以保留一半结果
不告诉你
11:52
then I can convince you that I have a coin with two heads.
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然后我就能说服你
我的硬币两面都是人头像
11:56
If we remove half of the data,
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如果去掉一半数据
11:58
we can never know what the true effect size of these medicines is.
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我们绝不可能知道这些药的真正的效果
这不是个偶发事件
12:02
And this is not an isolated story.
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针对抗抑郁症药的试验数据有一半左右都被保留
12:04
Around half of all of the trial data on antidepressants has been withheld,
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事实比着更糟
12:08
but it goes way beyond that.
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12:09
The Nordic Cochrane Group were trying to get ahold of the data on that
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Nordic Cochrane集团曾尝试
收集那些被保留的数据
12:12
to bring it all together.
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Nordic Cochrane是个国际性非盈利团体机构
12:14
The Cochrane Groups are an international nonprofit collaboration
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提供对所有公开数据的系统性的评论
12:17
that produce systematic reviews
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12:18
of all of the data that has ever been shown.
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他们需要所有试验数据的查看权限
12:20
And they need to have access to all of the trial data.
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但是制药商保留了数据结果
12:23
But the companies withheld that data from them.
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12:25
So did the European Medicines Agency --
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欧洲药物管理局也这样
做了3年
12:28
for three years.
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12:29
This is a problem that is currently lacking a solution.
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这个问题目前没有解决方案
12:32
And to show how big it goes, this is a drug called Tamiflu,
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为了告诉你们这个问题的严重性,给你们举一个叫达菲的药的例子
12:35
which governments around the world
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各国政府
12:37
have spent billions and billions of dollars on.
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花了巨资在此药上
他们承诺
12:40
And they spend that money on the promise that this is a drug
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这个药能降低
12:43
which will reduce the rate of complications with flu.
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流感的并发症几率
我们已有数据显示
12:46
We already have the data
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12:47
showing it reduces the duration of your flu by a few hours.
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它能减少几小时流感症状的持续时间
我不关心这个,政府也不关心
12:50
But I don't care about that, governments don't care.
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很抱歉你得流感了,我知道那很糟糕
12:52
I'm sorry if you have the flu, I know it's horrible,
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但我们不可能花上百万美元
12:55
but we're not going to spend billions of dollars
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只为了减少半天你的
12:57
trying to reduce the duration of your flu symptoms by half a day.
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流感症状
13:00
We prescribe these drugs.
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我们开药,在急诊室有大量存货
13:01
We stockpile them for emergencies
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觉得这能降低并发症数
13:03
on the understanding they'll reduce the number of complications,
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也就是说肺炎或者死亡
13:06
which means pneumonia and death.
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位于意大利的Cochrane尝试着
13:08
The infectious diseases Cochrane Group, which are based in Italy,
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从制药公司获取
13:11
has been trying to get the full data in a usable form
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关于该药的所有有用数据
13:15
out of the drug companies,
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以便他们判断
13:16
so they can make a full decision
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13:18
about whether this drug is effective or not,
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此药是否有效
13:20
and they've not been able to get that information.
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他们没能拿到信息
13:23
This is undoubtedly the single biggest ethical problem
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毫无疑问
这是如今医学界面临的
13:28
facing medicine today.
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一个重大道德问题
没有信息
13:31
We cannot make decisions in the absence of all of the information.
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我们无法做决定
13:37
So it's a little bit difficult from there
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据此想得出些正面结论
13:40
to spin in some kind of positive conclusion.
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是有些困难
但是我想说:
13:45
But I would say this:
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13:48
I think that sunlight
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阳光是
13:51
is the best disinfectant.
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最好的杀菌剂
日光之下无新事
13:54
All of these things are happening in plain sight,
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13:56
and they're all protected by a force field of tediousness.
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这些事物都受
一种单调的力场所保护
14:01
And I think, with all of the problems in science,
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我认为,对于所有科学问题
我们能做的最好的就是
14:04
one of the best things that we can do
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14:05
is to lift up the lid, finger around at the mechanics
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掀开事物的表层
摸清来去一窥究竟
14:08
and peer in.
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非常感谢
14:10
Thank you very much.
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14:11
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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