Ben Goldacre: Battling Bad Science

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So I'm a doctor, but I kind of slipped sideways into research,
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and now I'm an epidemiologist.
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And nobody really knows what epidemiology is.
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Epidemiology is the science of how we know in the real world
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if something is good for you or bad for you.
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And it's best understood through example
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as the science of those crazy, wacky newspaper headlines.
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And these are just some of the examples.
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These are from the Daily Mail.
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Every country in the world has a newspaper like this.
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It has this bizarre, ongoing philosophical project
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of dividing all the inanimate objects in the world
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into the ones that either cause or prevent cancer.
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Here are some of the things they said cause cancer:
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divorce, Wi-Fi, toiletries and coffee.
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Some things they say prevent cancer:
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crusts, red pepper, licorice and coffee.
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So you can see there are contradictions.
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Coffee both causes and prevents cancer.
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As you start to read on, you can see
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that maybe there's some political valence behind some of this.
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For women, housework prevents breast cancer,
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but for men, shopping could make you impotent.
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(Laughter)
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So we know that we need to start unpicking the science behind this.
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And what I hope to show is that unpicking the evidence behind dodgy claims
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isn't a kind of nasty, carping activity;
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it's socially useful.
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But it's also an extremely valuable explanatory tool,
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because real science is about critically appraising the evidence
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for somebody else's position.
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That's what happens in academic journals,
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it's what happens at academic conferences --
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the Q&A session after a postdoc presents data is often a bloodbath.
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And nobody minds that; we actively welcome it.
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It's like a consenting intellectual S&M activity.
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(Laughter)
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So what I'm going to show you is all of the main things,
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all of the main features of my discipline, evidence-based medicine.
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And I will talk you through all of these and demonstrate how they work,
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exclusively using examples of people getting stuff wrong.
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We'll start with the absolute weakest form of evidence known to man,
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and that is authority.
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In science, we don't care how many letters you have after your name --
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we want to know what your reasons are for believing something.
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How do you know that something is good for us or bad for us?
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But we're also unimpressed by authority because it's so easy to contrive.
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This is somebody called Dr. Gillian McKeith, PhD,
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or, to give her full medical title, Gillian McKeith.
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(Laughter)
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Again, every country has somebody like this.
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She is our TV diet guru.
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She has five series of prime-time television,
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giving out very lavish and exotic health advice.
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She, it turns out, has a non-accredited correspondence course PhD
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from somewhere in America.
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She also boasts that she's a certified professional member
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of the American Association of Nutritional Consultants,
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which sounds very glamorous; you get a certificate.
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This one belongs to my dead cat, Hettie. She was a horrible cat.
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You go to the website, fill out the form,
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give them $60, it arrives in the post.
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That's not the only reason we think this person is an idiot.
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She also says things like eat lots of dark green leaves,
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they contain chlorophyll and really oxygenate your blood.
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And anybody who's done school biology remembers
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that chlorophyll and chloroplasts only make oxygen in sunlight,
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and it's quite dark in your bowels after you've eaten spinach.
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Next, we need proper science, proper evidence.
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So: "Red wine can help prevent breast cancer."
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This is a headline from The Daily Telegraph in the UK.
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"A glass of red wine a day could help prevent breast cancer."
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So you find this paper, and find that it is a real piece of science.
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It's a description of the changes in the behavior of one enzyme
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when you drip a chemical extracted from some red grape skin
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onto some cancer cells
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in a dish on a bench in a laboratory somewhere.
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And that's a really useful thing to describe in a scientific paper.
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But on the question of your own personal risk of getting breast cancer
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if you drink red wine,
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it tells you absolutely bugger all.
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Actually, it turns out that your risk of breast cancer
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increases slightly with every amount of alcohol you drink.
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So what we want are studies in real human people.
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And here's another example.
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This is from Britain's "leading" diet nutritionist in the Daily Mirror,
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our second-biggest selling newspaper.
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"An Australian study in 2001 found that olive oil,
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in combination with fruits, vegetables and pulses,
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offers measurable protection against skin wrinklings,"
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and give the advice:
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"If you eat olive oil and vegetables, you'll have fewer wrinkles."
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They helpfully tell you how to find the paper,
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and what you find is an observational study.
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Obviously, nobody has been able to go back to 1930,
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get all the people born in one maternity unit,
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and half of them eat lots of fruit and veg and olive oil,
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half of them eat McDonald's,
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and then we see how many wrinkles you've got later.
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You have to take a snapshot of how people are now.
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And what you find is, of course:
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people who eat veg and olive oil have fewer wrinkles.
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But that's because people who eat fruit and veg and olive oil are freaks --
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they're not normal, they're like you; they come to events like this.
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(Laughter)
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They're posh, they're wealthy, less likely to have outdoor jobs,
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less likely to do manual labor,
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they have better social support, are less likely to smoke;
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for a host of fascinating, interlocking
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social, political and cultural reasons,
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they're less likely to have wrinkles.
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That doesn't mean it's the vegetables or olive oil.
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(Laughter)
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So ideally, what you want to do is a trial.
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People think they're familiar with the idea of a trial.
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Trials are old; the first one was in the Bible, Daniel 1:12.
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It's straightforward: take a bunch of people, split them in half,
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treat one group one way, the other group, the other way.
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A while later, you see what happened to each of them.
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I'm going to tell you about one trial,
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which is probably the most well-reported trial
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in the UK news media over the past decade.
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This is the trial of fish oil pills.
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The claim: fish oil pills improve school performance and behavior
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in mainstream children.
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They said, "We did a trial.
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All the previous ones were positive, this one will be too."
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That should ring alarm bells:
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if you know the answer to your trial, you shouldn't be doing one.
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Either you've rigged it by design,
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or you've got enough data so there's no need to randomize people anymore.
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So this is what they were going to do in their trial:
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They were taking 3,000 children,
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they were going to give them these huge fish oil pills, six of them a day,
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and then, a year later, measure their school exam performance
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and compare their performance
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against what they predicted their exam performance would have been
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if they hadn't had the pills.
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Now, can anybody spot a flaw in this design?
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(Laughter)
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And no professors of clinical trial methodology
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are allowed to answer this question.
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So there's no control group.
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But that sounds really techie, right? That's a technical term.
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The kids got the pills, and their performance improved.
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What else could it possibly be if it wasn't the pills?
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They got older; we all develop over time.
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And of course, there's the placebo effect,
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one of the most fascinating things in the whole of medicine.
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It's not just taking a pill and performance or pain improving;
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it's about our beliefs and expectations, the cultural meaning of a treatment.
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And this has been demonstrated in a whole raft of fascinating studies
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comparing one kind of placebo against another.
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So we know, for example,
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that two sugar pills a day are a more effective treatment
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for gastric ulcers
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than one sugar pill.
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Two sugar pills a day beats one a day.
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That's an outrageous and ridiculous finding, but it's true.
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We know from three different studies on three different types of pain
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that a saltwater injection is a more effective treatment
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than a sugar pill, a dummy pill with no medicine in it,
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not because the injection or pills do anything physically to the body,
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but because an injection feels like a much more dramatic intervention.
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So we know that our beliefs and expectations can be manipulated,
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which is why we do trials where we control against a placebo,
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where one half of the people get the real treatment,
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and the other half get placebo.
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But that's not enough.
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What I've just shown you are examples
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of the very simple and straightforward ways
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that journalists and food supplement pill peddlers and naturopaths
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can distort evidence for their own purposes.
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What I find really fascinating
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is that the pharmaceutical industry uses exactly the same kinds
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of tricks and devices,
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but slightly more sophisticated versions of them,
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in order to distort the evidence they give to doctors and patients,
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and which we use to make vitally important decisions.
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So firstly, trials against placebo:
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everybody thinks a trial should be a comparison
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of your new drug against placebo.
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But in a lot of situations that's wrong;
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often, we already have a good treatment currently available.
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So we don't want to know that your alternative new treatment
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is better than nothing,
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but that it's better than the best available treatment we have.
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And yet, repeatedly, you consistently see people doing trials
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still against placebo.
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And you can get licensed to bring your drug to market
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with only data showing that it's better than nothing,
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which is useless for a doctor like me trying to make a decision.
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But that's not the only way you can rig your data.
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You can also rig your data
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by making the thing you compare your new drug against
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really rubbish.
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You can give the competing drug in too low a dose,
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so people aren't properly treated.
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You can give the competing drug in too high a dose,
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so people get side effects.
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And this is exactly what happened
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with antipsychotic medication for schizophrenia.
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Twenty years ago, a new generation of antipsychotic drugs were brought in;
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the promise was they would have fewer side effects.
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So people set about doing trials of the new drugs against the old drugs.
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But they gave the old drugs in ridiculously high doses:
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20 milligrams a day of haloperidol.
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And it's a foregone conclusion if you give a drug at that high a dose,
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it will have more side effects, and your new drug will look better.
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Ten years ago, history repeated itself,
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when risperidone, the first of the new-generation antipsychotic drugs,
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came off copyright, so anybody could make copies.
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Everybody wanted to show their drug was better than risperidone,
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so you see trials comparing new antipsychotic drugs
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against risperidone at eight milligrams a day.
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Again, not an insane dose, not an illegal dose,
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but very much at the high end of normal.
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So you're bound to make your new drug look better.
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And so it's no surprise that overall,
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industry-funded trials are four times more likely
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to give a positive result
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than independently sponsored trials.
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But -- and it's a big but --
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(Laughter)
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it turns out,
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when you look at the methods used by industry-funded trials,
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that they're actually better than independently sponsored trials.
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And yet, they always manage to get the result that they want.
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So how does this work?
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(Laughter)
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How can we explain this strange phenomenon?
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Well, it turns out that what happens
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is the negative data goes missing in action;
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it's withheld from doctors and patients.
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And this is the most important aspect of the whole story.
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It's at the top of the pyramid of evidence.
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We need to have all of the data on a particular treatment
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to know whether or not it really is effective.
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There are two different ways you can spot whether some data has gone missing.
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You can use statistics or you can use stories.
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I prefer statistics, so that's what I'll do first.
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This is a funnel plot.
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A funnel plot is a very clever way of spotting
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if small negative trials have disappeared, have gone missing in action.
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This is a graph of all of the trials done on a particular treatment.
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As you go up towards the top of the graph,
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what you see is each dot is a trial.
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As you go up, those are bigger trials, so they've got less error;
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they're less likely to be randomly false positives or negatives.
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So they all cluster together.
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The big trials are closer to the true answer.
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Then as you go further down at the bottom,
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what you can see is, on this side, spurious false negatives,
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and over on this side, spurious false positives.
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If there is publication bias,
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if small negative trials have gone missing in action,
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you can see it on one of these graphs.
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So you see here that the small negative trials
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that should be on the bottom left have disappeared.
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This is a graph demonstrating the presence of publication bias
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in studies of publication bias.
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And I think that's the funniest epidemiology joke you will ever hear.
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(Laughter)
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That's how you can prove it statistically.
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But what about stories?
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Well, they're heinous, they really are.
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This is a drug called reboxetine.
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This is a drug which I, myself, have prescribed to patients.
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And I'm a very nerdy doctor.
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I hope I go out of my way
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to try and read and understand all the literature.
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I read the trials on this.
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They were all positive, all well-conducted.
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I found no flaw.
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Unfortunately, it turned out, that many of these trials were withheld.
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In fact, 76 percent of all of the trials that were done on this drug
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were withheld from doctors and patients.
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Now if you think about it,
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if I tossed a coin a hundred times,
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and I'm allowed to withhold from you the answers half the times,
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then I can convince you that I have a coin with two heads.
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If we remove half of the data,
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we can never know what the true effect size of these medicines is.
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And this is not an isolated story.
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Around half of all of the trial data on antidepressants has been withheld,
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but it goes way beyond that.
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The Nordic Cochrane Group were trying to get ahold of the data on that
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to bring it all together.
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The Cochrane Groups are an international nonprofit collaboration
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that produce systematic reviews
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of all of the data that has ever been shown.
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And they need to have access to all of the trial data.
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But the companies withheld that data from them.
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So did the European Medicines Agency --
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for three years.
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This is a problem that is currently lacking a solution.
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And to show how big it goes, this is a drug called Tamiflu,
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which governments around the world
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have spent billions and billions of dollars on.
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And they spend that money on the promise that this is a drug
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which will reduce the rate of complications with flu.
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We already have the data
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showing it reduces the duration of your flu by a few hours.
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But I don't care about that, governments don't care.
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I'm sorry if you have the flu, I know it's horrible,
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but we're not going to spend billions of dollars
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trying to reduce the duration of your flu symptoms by half a day.
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We prescribe these drugs.
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We stockpile them for emergencies
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on the understanding they'll reduce the number of complications,
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which means pneumonia and death.
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The infectious diseases Cochrane Group, which are based in Italy,
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has been trying to get the full data in a usable form
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out of the drug companies,
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so they can make a full decision
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about whether this drug is effective or not,
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and they've not been able to get that information.
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This is undoubtedly the single biggest ethical problem
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facing medicine today.
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We cannot make decisions in the absence of all of the information.
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So it's a little bit difficult from there
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to spin in some kind of positive conclusion.
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But I would say this:
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I think that sunlight
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is the best disinfectant.
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All of these things are happening in plain sight,
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and they're all protected by a force field of tediousness.
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And I think, with all of the problems in science,
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one of the best things that we can do
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is to lift up the lid, finger around at the mechanics
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and peer in.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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