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翻译人员: Shiwen He
校对人员: E Fan
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I'm going to talk about consciousness.
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下面我来谈谈意识
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Why consciousness?
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为什么是意识呢?
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Well, it's a curiously neglected subject,
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恩,说来也怪,无论是在科学还是哲学领域
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both in our scientific
and our philosophical culture.
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它都是一个被忽视的学科
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Now why is that curious?
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为什么说这很奇怪呢?
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Well, it is the most important
aspect of our lives
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它在我们的生活中是及其重要的部分
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for a very simple, logical reason,
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原因很简单,也很好理解
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namely, it's a necessary
condition on anything
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那就是:我们生命里一切重要事物存在的必要条件
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being important in our lives
that we're conscious.
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就是我们拥有意识
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You care about science, philosophy,
music, art, whatever --
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比如,你研究科学、哲学、音乐、艺术等等
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it's no good if you're
a zombie or in a coma, right?
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但如果你是僵尸或植物人,那些东西对你就没有意义了吧?
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So consciousness is number one.
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所以说意识是最为重要的
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The second reason is that when people do
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第二个原因:当人们对意识感兴趣时
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get interested in it,
as I think they should,
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我认为他们应该对它感兴趣
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they tend to say
the most appalling things.
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他们就会说出一些非常惊人的话
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And then, even when they're
not saying appalling things
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然后,即使他们没有说那么惊人的东西
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and they're really trying
to do serious research,
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他们也会尝试去正儿八经地研究它
然而,研究进度一直很慢,目前进展依然缓慢
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well, it's been slow.
Progress has been slow.
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00:59
When I first got interested
in this, I thought, well,
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我最开始对此感兴趣时,我认为
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it's a straightforward problem in biology.
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这纯粹就是一个生物学难题
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Let's get these brain stabbers
to get busy and figure out
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那我们就打开脑子
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how it works in the brain.
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看看它是怎样在大脑中运作的
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So I went over to UCSF and I talked to all
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于是我去了加州大学旧金山分校
和知名的神经生物学专家们谈了谈
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the heavy-duty neurobiologists there,
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01:11
and they showed some impatience,
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他们都不大耐烦
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as scientists often do when you
ask them embarrassing questions.
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当别人问很难回答的问题时,科学家都这样
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But the thing that struck me is,
one guy said in exasperation,
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但出乎我意料的是,一个很有名的
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a very famous neurobiologist,
he said, "Look,
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神经生物学家恼怒地说:“听着
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in my discipline it's okay to be
interested in consciousness,
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干这一行,你对意识感兴趣没关系
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but get tenure first. Get tenure first."
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但先拿到终身职位再说。要先拿到终身职位!”
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Now I've been working
on this for a long time.
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我对意识已经研究了很长时间了
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I think now you might actually get tenure
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我想,说不定人们能通过研究意识
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by working on consciousness.
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得到终身职位呢
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If so, that's a real step forward.
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如果真那样,那可是个一大进步啊
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Okay, now why then is this
curious reluctance
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好,现在我们说说为什么这些人不愿意
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and curious hostility to consciousness?
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甚至反对研究意识?
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Well, I think it's a combination
of two features
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嗯,我觉得这与知识文化的
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of our intellectual culture
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两大特点有关
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that like to think they're
opposing each other
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表面上,它们互相矛盾
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but in fact they share
a common set of assumptions.
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但实际上两者却有一系列相同的前提假设
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One feature is the tradition
of religious dualism:
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一个特征是带有宗教二元论的传统色彩
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Consciousness is not a part
of the physical world.
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意识不是物质世界的组成部分
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It's a part of the spiritual world.
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而是精神世界的组成部分
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It belongs to the soul,
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它属于灵魂层面
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and the soul is not a part
of the physical world.
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而灵魂并不是物质世界的组成部分
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That's the tradition of God,
the soul and immortality.
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这就是从“上帝”,”灵魂“和“永生”的角度,提出的一种观点
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There's another tradition
that thinks it's opposed to this
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还有一种说法,正好与此相悖
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but accepts the worst assumption.
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但却能接受最坏的假设
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That tradition thinks that we are heavy-duty
scientific materialists:
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这种观点认为:我们是责任重大的科学唯物主义者
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Consciousness is not a part
of the physical world.
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意识不是物质世界的组成部分
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Either it doesn't exist at all,
or it's something else,
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要么它完全不存在,要么它就是其它什么东西
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a computer program
or some damn fool thing,
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比如说电脑程序或其他什么玩意儿
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but in any case it's not part of science.
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但绝不是科学的一部分
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And I used to get in an argument
that really gave me a stomachache.
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过去我常常和别人争论一个问题,争得我都胃疼
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Here's how it went.
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这个命题是这样的
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Science is objective,
consciousness is subjective,
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科学是客观的,意识是主观的
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therefore there cannot be
a science of consciousness.
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所以不可能有研究意识的科学
02:42
Okay, so these twin
traditions are paralyzing us.
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好吧,这俩观点实在困住了我们
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It's very hard to get
out of these twin traditions.
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真的很难跳脱出这俩说法
02:51
And I have only one real
message in this lecture,
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这次演讲我只有一个主旨想要传达
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and that is, consciousness
is a biological phenomenon
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即:意识是一种生物现象
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like photosynthesis, digestion, mitosis --
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就像光合作用、消化作用、有丝分裂一样
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you know all the biological phenomena
-- and once you accept that,
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你们知道这些生物学现象,而且一旦你承认它是生物现象
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most, though not all, of the hard problems
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大多数关于意识的疑难问题
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about consciousness simply evaporate.
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就自然而然就迎刃而解了
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And I'm going to go through some of them.
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其中的一些问题,我一会就给大家作相关解释
03:12
Okay, now I promised you to tell you some
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好了,我说过给你们讲些
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of the outrageous things
said about consciousness.
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关于意识的过分言论
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One: Consciousness does not exist.
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一:意识不存在
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It's an illusion, like sunsets.
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意识是幻觉,像太阳落山一样
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Science has shown sunsets
and rainbows are illusions.
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科学已经表明日落和彩虹都是幻觉
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So consciousness is an illusion.
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所以意识也是一种幻觉
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Two: Well, maybe it exists,
but it's really something else.
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二:好吧,也许意识存在,但它一定是其它什么东西
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It's a computer program
running in the brain.
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它是在大脑里运转的电脑程序
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Three: No, the only thing
that exists is really behavior.
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三:意识不存在,真正存在的只是行为
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It's embarrassing how influential
behaviorism was,
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行为主义的影响力有多让人尴尬
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but I'll get back to that.
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我等会儿再说
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And four: Maybe consciousness exists,
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四:也许意识存在
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but it can't make
any difference to the world.
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但它不会对世界有什么影响
如何靠意志挪动任何东西呢?
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How could spirituality move anything?
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03:53
Now, whenever somebody
tells me that, I think,
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现在,不管谁对我这样说的时候,我就想
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you want to see spirituality
move something?
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你想看看意志能挪动东西吗?
看着,我有意识的决定抬起我的手臂
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Watch. I decide consciously
to raise my arm,
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04:01
and the damn thing goes up. (Laughter)
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这玩意儿就抬起来了(笑声)
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Furthermore, notice this:
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而且,请注意
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We do not say, "Well, it's a bit
like the weather in Geneva.
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我们并没说:“嗯,有点像日内瓦的天气
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Some days it goes up and some days
it doesn't go up."
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有些天儿好,有些天儿不好。”
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No. It goes up whenever
I damn well want it to.
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并不是这样
我想抬手的时候,它就会抬起来
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Okay. I'm going to tell
you how that's possible.
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好吧,我告诉你们怎么回事
到现在,我还没有给你们一个具体的定义
04:19
Now, I haven't yet given you a definition.
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04:22
You can't do this if you
don't give a definition.
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如果没有明确定义,就讲不清楚
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People always say consciousness
is very hard to define.
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人们老说很难给意识下定义
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I think it's rather easy to define
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我倒觉得很容易
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if you're not trying to give
a scientific definition.
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如果你不是要给它一个科学的定义的话
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We're not ready
for a scientific definition,
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我们现在还没准备好给它一个科学的定义
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but here's a common-sense definition.
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但有一个常识性的定义:
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Consciousness consists
of all those states of feeling
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意识由感觉、知觉、认知
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or sentience or awareness.
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等各种心理过程组成
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It begins in the morning when you
wake up from a dreamless sleep,
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它开始于你从无梦睡眠中醒来的清晨
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and it goes on all day
until you fall asleep
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并持续一整天,直到你睡着
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or die or otherwise become unconscious.
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或死亡,或处于无意识状态
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Dreams are a form of consciousness
on this definition.
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在这一定义下,梦是意识的一种形式
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Now, that's the common-sense definition.
That's our target.
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以上就是那个常识性的定义,也就是我们的目标
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If you're not talking about that,
you're not talking about consciousness.
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如果你们不是在说这个定义,你们就不是在谈意识
04:59
But they think, "Well, if that's it,
that's an awful problem.
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但他们觉得:“好啊
如果那样的话,这可就难了
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How can such a thing exist
as part of the real world?"
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那样一个东西怎么会是真实世界的组成部分呢?”
05:07
And this, if you've ever
had a philosophy course,
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如果你们上过哲学课的话
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this is known as the famous
mind-body problem.
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这就是那个有名的精神与肉体关系的难题
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I think that has a simple solution too.
I'm going to give it to you.
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我觉得那个问题也有个简单的解决办法
05:15
And here it is: All of our conscious
states, without exception,
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那就是:所有的意识状态,没有例外
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are caused by lower-level
neurobiological processes in the brain,
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都是由大脑中低层次神经生物学进程引起的
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and they are realized in the brain
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接着在大脑中,作为高层次神经进程
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as higher-level or system features.
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或者系统特征得以实现
05:29
It's about as mysterious
as the liquidity of water.
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它就像水的流动性一样神秘
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Right? The liquidity is not
an extra juice squirted out
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对吧,水的流动特性并不是
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by the H2O molecules.
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由水分子喷射出来引起的
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It's a condition that the system is in.
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它只是一个状态,包含了这个系统
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And just as the jar full of water
can go from liquid to solid
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就像一个装满水的罐子能从液体到固体
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depending on the behavior
of the molecules,
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这取决于水分子的行为
所以大脑可以从有意识状态
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so your brain can go
from a state of being conscious
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to a state of being unconscious,
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到无意识状态
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depending on the behavior
of the molecules.
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这取决于分子的行为
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The famous mind-body
problem is that simple.
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著名的精神与肉体关系难题就这么简单
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All right? But now we get
into some harder questions.
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好了,但我们现在要深入到更难的问题上去
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Let's specify the exact
features of consciousness,
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我们现在指定意识的准确特征
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so that we can then answer
those four objections
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好让我们能够反驳我刚才说的
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that I made to it.
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那四个异议
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Well, the first feature is,
it's real and irreducible.
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第一个,它是真实的,不可削减的
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You can't get rid of it.
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你摆脱不了它
06:16
You see, the distinction
between reality and illusion
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你们知道,现实与幻觉的区别
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is the distinction between how things
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就是事物之于我们与
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consciously seem to us
and how they really are.
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事物本身的区别
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It consciously seems like there's --
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之于我们,看起来像…...
06:29
I like the French "arc-en-ciel" —
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我喜欢用这个法语词arc-en-ciel(虹)
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it seems like there's an arch in the sky,
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看起来像一个arch(拱门)在空中
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or it seems like the sun
is setting over the mountains.
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或者说像太阳横亘在群山之上
06:36
It consciously seems to us,
but that's not really happening.
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那只是我们自己的认知,但不是它真实的样子
06:39
But for that distinction between
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但是,对于事物之于我们
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how things consciously seem
and how they really are,
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和事物本质之间的区别
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you can't make that distinction
for the very existence of consciousness,
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你不能把那个区别加诸到意识存在这个问题上
06:48
because where the very existence
of consciousness is concerned,
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因为意识存在的具体地方还亟待讨论
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if it consciously seems to you
that you are conscious,
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如果你清楚的意识到你是清醒的
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you are conscious.
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你就是清醒的
06:57
I mean, if a bunch of experts
come to me and say,
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我是说,如果一堆专家跑来对我说
07:00
"We are heavy-duty neurobiologists
and we've done a study
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“我们是尽职尽责的神经生物学家,而且做了一个
关于你的研究,赛尔,我们一致认为你没有意识
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of you, Searle, and we're
convinced you are not conscious,
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07:05
you are a very cleverly
constructed robot,"
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你只是一个构造精良的聪明机器人”
我不会说:“嗯,可能他们说对啦”
07:08
I don't think, "Well, maybe these
guys are right, you know?"
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07:11
I don't think that for a moment,
because, I mean,
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我完全不会那样想,
07:13
Descartes may have made a lot
of mistakes, but he was right about this.
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笛卡尔也许犯过很多错误,但有一点他是对的:
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You cannot doubt the existence
of your own consciousness.
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你不能怀疑自身意识的存在
07:19
Okay, that's the first
feature of consciousness.
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好了,这是意识的第一个特征
它是真实的、不可简化的
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It's real and irreducible.
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07:23
You cannot get rid of it
by showing that it's an illusion
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你不能像对待其它幻觉那样
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in a way that you can
with other standard illusions.
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通过说明它是幻觉的方式来摆脱它
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Okay, the second feature is this one
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第二个特征
07:32
that has been such
a source of trouble to us,
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一直以来都是我们的烦恼来源
07:35
and that is, all of our conscious states
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即,所有的意识状态
07:37
have this qualitative character to them.
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都存在这个定性的特点
07:40
There's something that it
feels like to drink beer
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你喝啤酒的感觉
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which is not what it feels
like to do your income tax
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并不像你付所得税
07:45
or listen to music,
and this qualitative feel
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或听音乐时的感觉,这个定性感受
07:48
automatically generates a third feature,
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自然就引出了第三个特征:
07:51
namely, conscious states
are by definition subjective
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意识状态明显是主观的
07:55
in the sense that they only exist
as experienced
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它们只以人类或动物的经验状态存在
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by some human or animal subject,
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它们只以人类或动物的经验状态存在
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some self that experiences them.
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本体体验到了它们
08:02
Maybe we'll be able to build
a conscious machine.
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或许我们能建造一台意识机器
08:04
Since we don't know how our brains do it,
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既然我们不清楚大脑是怎么做到的
08:06
we're not in a position, so far,
to build a conscious machine.
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我们现在就无法建造意识机器
08:10
Okay. Another feature of consciousness
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好了,意识的另外一个特征就是
08:13
is that it comes in unified
conscious fields.
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它以统一的意识域方式出现
08:17
So I don't just have the sight
of the people in front of me
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所以,我不仅能看到我眼前的人
08:20
and the sound of my voice
and the weight of my shoes
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还能听到自己的声音,感受到地板上鞋的重量
08:22
against the floor, but they occur to me
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但他们以单一的
08:25
as part of one single
great conscious field
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意识域部分出现
08:28
that stretches forward and backward.
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而且还能前后移动
08:30
That is the key to understanding
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这是理解意识的力量的关键
08:32
the enormous power of consciousness.
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这就是理解意识的力量的关键
08:34
And we have not been able
to do that in a robot.
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现在我们还没法在机器人里做到这一点
08:37
The disappointment of robotics
derives from the fact
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机器人学令人失望之处就是
08:40
that we don't know how to make
a conscious robot,
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我们不知道如何制造一台有意识的机器人
08:42
so we don't have a machine
that can do this kind of thing.
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所以我们便没有一台能这样做的的机器
08:45
Okay, the next feature of consciousness,
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好了,在统一的意识域这个特征后
08:48
after this marvelous
unified conscious field,
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意识的另一个特征是
08:51
is that it functions
causally in our behavior.
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它在我们的行为中随意运行
08:54
I gave you a scientific
demonstration by raising my hand,
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我刚给你们了一个科学的演示:举手
08:57
but how is that possible?
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但是这是怎么回事呢?
08:58
How can it be that this
thought in my brain
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我脑袋里的想法怎么能
09:02
can move material objects?
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让一个实质物体运动呢
09:04
Well, I'll tell you the answer.
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恩,我来给你们说明吧
09:06
I mean, we don't know the detailed answer,
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我是说,我们并不知道具体的答案
09:08
but we know the basic part
of the answer, and that is,
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但我们知道答案的基本部分,即
09:11
there is a sequence of neuron firings,
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有那么一系列的神经元兴奋存在
09:13
and they terminate where the acetylcholine
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它们会在分泌了乙酰胆碱的
09:16
is secreted at the axon
end-plates of the motor neurons.
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运动神经元的轴突终板处终止
09:19
Sorry to use philosophical
terminology here,
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抱歉这儿用了一些难懂的术语
09:21
but when it's secreted at the axon
end-plates of the motor neurons,
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但当运动神经元轴突终板分泌的时候
09:25
a whole lot of wonderful things
happen in the ion channels
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离子通道内会发生许多奇妙的事
09:28
and the damned arm goes up.
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然后手臂这玩意儿就抬起来了
09:30
Now, think of what I told you.
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现在想想我给你们讲的
09:32
One and the same event,
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完全相同的一件事
09:34
my conscious decision to raise my arm
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我举起手臂的有意识决定
09:37
has a level of description
where it has all of these
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有一定的描述性,这个描述性包括了这些
09:39
touchy-feely spiritual qualities.
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情感化的精神特点
09:42
It's a thought in my brain,
but at the same time,
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它是我脑袋里的想法,但同时
09:44
it's busy secreting acetylcholine
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它也忙着分泌乙酰胆碱
09:46
and doing all sorts of other things
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和做所有其它各种事情
当它顺着手臂内的运动皮质到神经纤维运动时
09:48
as it makes its way from the motor cortex
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09:50
down through the nerve fibers in the arm.
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当它顺着手臂内的运动皮质到神经纤维运动时
09:53
Now, what that tells us
is that our traditional vocabularies
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这个现象告诉我们,用来讨论
09:57
for discussing these issues
are totally obsolete.
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这些问题的传统的词汇都过时了
10:00
One and the same event has
a level of description
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完全相同的一件事,既含有一定的神经生物学的描述性
10:03
where it's neurobiological,
and another level of description
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又有一定程度的精神描述性
10:06
where it's mental,
and that's a single event,
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后者就是一个单一事件
10:09
and that's how nature works.
That's how it's possible
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大自然就是这样运作的
这也是意识能够随意运行的原因
10:11
for consciousness to function causally.
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大自然就是这样运作的
这也是意识能够随意运行的原因
10:14
Okay, now with that in mind,
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好了,有了上述概念
10:17
with going through these various
features of consciousness,
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了解了意识的不同特征
10:20
let's go back and answer
some of those early objections.
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我们倒回去回答那些异议
10:23
Well, the first one I said was,
consciousness doesn't exist,
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首先,第一个异议是意识并不存在
10:26
it's an illusion. Well,
I've already answered that.
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它是幻觉,好吧,我已经反驳过这个异议了
10:28
I don't think we need to worry about that.
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我觉得我们没必要再啰嗦它了
10:30
But the second one had
an incredible influence,
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但第二个异议的的影响力就大了
10:34
and may still be around, and that is,
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或许现在还存在呢
10:35
"Well, if consciousness exists,
it's really something else.
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"恩,如果意识存在,它一定是其它什么东西
10:39
It's really a digital computer
program running in your brain
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就是在你脑子里运作的电脑程序
10:42
and that's what we need to do
to create consciousness
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来创造意识,我们要做的就是
10:45
is get the right program.
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找到正确的程序"
10:46
Yeah, forget about the hardware.
Any hardware will do
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是啊,别管硬件了,随便什么硬件都行
10:49
provided it's rich enough and stable
enough to carry the program."
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只要它足够丰富和稳定,能承载程序
10:52
Now, we know that that's wrong.
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现在我们知道这样说不对
10:55
I mean, anybody who's thought
about computers at all
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只要对电脑有点兴趣的人
10:58
can see that that's wrong,
because computation
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谁都知道那不对
11:00
is defined as symbol manipulation,
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因为计算被定义为符号处理
11:03
usually thought of as zeros
as ones, but any symbols will do.
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通常看作是许多0和1,但是什么符号都行
11:05
You get an algorithm that you can program
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你可以通过二进制代码编程得到算法
11:09
in a binary code,
and that's the defining trait
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这就是计算机程序的典型特征
11:12
of the computer program.
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这就是计算机程序的典型特征
11:14
But we know that that's purely
syntactical. That's symbolic.
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但是这纯粹是依据句法规则而来,有象征性
11:18
We know that actual human consciousness
has something more than that.
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我们知道人类意识却远不止如此
11:22
It's got a content
in addition to the syntax.
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除句法外,意识还有其他内容
11:25
It's got a semantics.
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它还有语义
11:26
Now that argument, I made
that argument 30 --
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说到那个论据,30年前我就提出了——
11:29
oh my God, I don't want
to think about it —
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天啊,我不愿去想都过去这么多年了——
11:30
more than 30 years ago,
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是30多年前才对
11:31
but there's a deeper argument
implicit in what I've told you,
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但是我刚才告诉你们的论据里还有更深的含义
11:34
and I want to tell you that argument
briefly, and that is,
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我就简单给你们说说那个论据:
11:37
consciousness creates
an observer-independent reality.
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意识创造了“观察者独立”的现实
11:42
It creates a reality of money,
property, government,
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它创造了金钱、财产、政府、
11:45
marriage, CERN conferences,
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婚姻、CERN会议(欧洲核子研究委员会)、
11:49
cocktail parties and summer vacations,
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鸡尾酒聚会、夏日旅行等存在的现实
11:52
and all of those are creations
of consciousness.
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这些都是意识的产物
11:54
Their existence is observer-relative.
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它们的存在都是“观察者相关的”
11:57
It's only relative to conscious
agents that a piece of paper
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它只跟有意识的对象相关
(对这些对象而言)一张纸就是钱
12:01
is money or that a bunch
of buildings is a university.
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或者一群建筑就成了一所大学
12:04
Now, ask yourself about computation.
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现在,你们自问一下“计算”
12:07
Is that absolute, like force and mass
and gravitational attraction?
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它绝对吗?就像力、质量和万有引力一样?
12:11
Or is it observer-relative?
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还是说,它是“观察者相关”的?
12:13
Well, some computations are intrinsic.
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是的,有些计算是固定的
12:17
I add two plus two to get four.
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二加二等于四
12:19
That's going on no matter
what anybody thinks.
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不管别人怎么想,结果始终是这样
12:21
But when I haul out my pocket calculator
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但是我把便携计算器掏出来
12:24
and do the calculation,
the only intrinsic phenomenon
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算个数,这一本质现象
12:28
is the electronic circuit
and its behavior.
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其实就是电子电路及其行为
12:31
That's the only absolute phenomenon.
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这就是唯一的绝对现象
12:33
All the rest is interpreted by us.
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其他的都是人为制造的
12:35
Computation only exists
relative to consciousness.
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计算只跟意识的存在相关
12:39
Either a conscious agent
is carrying out the computation,
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要么“意识对象”自己实现了计算
12:42
or he's got a piece of machinery that admits
of a computational interpretation.
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要么“意识对象”用了一个机器
由机器承载了计算性阐释
12:45
Now that doesn't mean
computation is arbitrary.
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那并不表示计算就是任意的
12:48
I spent a lot of money on this hardware.
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我在这个硬件上可是花了大钱
12:51
But we have this persistent confusion
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但我们在“现实”和“要求”的
12:53
between objectivity and subjectivity
as features of reality
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主观性和客观性上
12:58
and objectivity and subjectivity
as features of claims.
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一直存在混淆
13:01
And the bottom line of this
part of my talk is this:
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我这部分的演说的主旨就是:
13:05
You can have a completely
objective science,
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你可以有完全客观的学科
13:08
a science where you make
objectively true claims,
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你可在这个学科上进行客观的真实要求
13:11
about a domain whose existence
is subjective,
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该领域的存在可以是主观的
13:15
whose existence is in the human brain
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:18
consisting of subjective
states of sentience
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:20
or feeling or awareness.
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:22
So the objection that you can't have
an objective science of consciousness
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所以别听那些人说:
因为意识是主观的,科学是客观的,
13:26
because it's subjective and science
is objective, that's a pun.
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所以不能有客观的意识科学。
——瞧这是个双关语啊
13:30
That's a bad pun on objectivity
and subjectivity.
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是个关于客观性与主观性的劣质双关
13:33
You can make objective claims
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你可以进行对这些领域进行客观要求
13:35
about a domain that is subjective
in its mode of existence,
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(即使)这些领域的存在模式是主观的
13:39
and indeed that's what neurologists do.
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神经科学家也的确是这么做的
13:41
I mean, you have patients
that actually suffer pains,
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我是说,现在有病人正忍受疼痛呢
13:43
and you try to get
an objective science of that.
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你却要搞出一个疼痛的客观科学出来
13:46
Okay, I promised to refute all these guys,
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好吧,我承认说要把这些家伙全驳倒
13:48
and I don't have an awful
lot of time left,
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既然现在又没多少演讲时间
13:50
but let me refute a couple more of them.
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就让我再多反驳两三个
13:52
I said that behaviorism ought to be
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我说过行为主义应该是
13:54
one of the great embarrassments
of our intellectual culture,
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我们智育文化中的一大窘境
13:57
because it's refuted
the moment you think about it.
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因为它在你思考它时就被反驳了
14:00
Your mental states are identical
with your behavior?
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你的精神和行为能完全一致吗?
14:03
Well, think about the distinction
between feeling a pain
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想想“感受痛楚”与“制造痛感”的区别
14:06
and engaging in pain behavior.
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想想“感受痛楚”与“制造痛感”的区别
14:08
I won't demonstrate pain
behavior, but I can tell you
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我就不演示痛感行为了,但我可以告诉大家
14:10
I'm not having any pains right now.
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我现在并没有感觉到任何痛楚
14:12
So it's an obvious mistake. Why
did they make the mistake?
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所以说它是个明显的失误,为什么他们犯这个错误?
14:16
The mistake was — and you
can go back and read
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你们可以回去读读这方面的文献
14:18
the literature on this, you
can see this over and over —
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可以看到很多很多
他们的失误在于,如果你认可了意识的不存在性
14:21
they think if you accept
the irreducible existence
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14:24
of consciousness, you're
giving up on science.
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你就放弃了这个学科
14:27
You're giving up on 300
years of human progress
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放弃了300年来的人类进步
14:30
and human hope and all the rest of it.
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人类的希望及其它一切
14:32
And the message I want
to leave you with is,
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我想告诉大家的是
14:35
consciousness has to become accepted
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意识一定会被认可为一个真正的生物学现象
14:37
as a genuine biological phenomenon,
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意识一定会被认可为一个真正的生物学现象
14:40
as much subject to scientific analysis
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像科学分析里的其它主题一样
14:42
as any other phenomenon in biology,
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像生物学里的其它现象一样
14:44
or, for that matter, the rest of science.
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或者像其它所有科学一样
14:46
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢大家!
14:48
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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