Asia's rise -- how and when | Hans Rosling

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Prevodilac: Stevan Radanovic Lektor: Ivana Korom
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Once upon a time,
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Jednom davno,
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at the age of 24,
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kada sam imao 24 godine,
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I was a student at St. John's Medical College in Bangalore.
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bio sam student medicinskog fakulteta "St. John" u Bangaloru.
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I was a guest student during one month
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Bio sam gostujući student tokom jednomesečnog seminara
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of a public health course.
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o javnom zdravstvu.
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And that changed my mindset forever.
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To iskustvo je zauvek promenilo način na koji posmatram svet.
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The course was good, but it was not the course content
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Seminar je bio dobar, ali nije njegov sadržaj sam po sebi
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in itself that changed the mindset.
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ono što je uticalo na moj način razmišljanja.
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It was the brutal realization,
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U pitanju je bila brutalna istina koju sam shvatio prvog jutra -
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the first morning,
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00:43
that the Indian students were better than me.
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indijski studenti su bili bolji od mene.
(Smeh)
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(Laughter)
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00:47
You see, I was a study nerd.
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Vidite, ja sam bio zaluđenik za učenje.
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I loved statistics from a young age.
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Od malena sam obožavao statistiku.
00:51
And I studied very much in Sweden.
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I marljivo sam učio u Švedskoj.
00:53
I used to be in the upper quarter of all courses I attended.
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Na svim kursevima koje sam pohađao sam bio jedan od četvrtine najboljih,
00:57
But in St. John's, I was in the lower quarter.
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ali u St. John-u sam bio u četvrtini najlošijih studenata.
Činjenica je bila da su indijski studenti
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And the fact was that Indian students
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studied harder than we did in Sweden.
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marljivije učili od nas u Švedskoj.
01:06
They read the textbook twice,
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Oni bi pročitali udžbenik dva puta,
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or three times or four times.
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ili tri ili čak četiri puta.
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In Sweden we read it once and then we went partying.
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U Švedskoj bismo ga pročitali jedanput, a zatim otišli da se zabavljamo.
01:13
(Laugher)
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(Smeh)
01:15
And that, to me,
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I to je, meni,
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that personal experience
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to lično iskustvo,
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was the first time in my life
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bio prvi put u mom životu
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that the mindset I grew up with
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da je nešto promenilo način razmišljanja sa kojim sam odrastao.
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was changed.
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01:28
And I realized that perhaps
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I shvatio sam da možda
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the Western world will not continue
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Zapadni svet neće zauvek dominirati svetom.
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to dominate the world forever.
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01:35
And I think many of you have the same sort of personal experience.
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Mislim da mnogi od vas imaju sličnu vrstu ličnog iskustva.
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It's that realization of someone you meet
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To je ona spoznaja da je neko koga ste upoznali
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that really made you change your ideas about the world.
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uticao na vas da promenite svoje predstave o svetu.
01:44
It's not the statistics, although I tried to make it funny.
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Nije u pitanju sama statistika,
iako pokušavam da je prikažem na zabavan način.
01:48
And I will now,
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A sada ću,
01:52
here, onstage,
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ovde, na sceni,
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try to predict when that will happen --
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pokušati da predvidim kada će se to dogoditi -
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that Asia will regain
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kada će Azija ponovo zauzeti
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its dominant position
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svoju nadmoćnu poziciju
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as the leading part of the world,
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kao vodeći deo sveta,
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as it used to be, over thousands of years.
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što i jeste bila hiljadama godina.
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And I will do that
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Uradiću to
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by trying to predict precisely
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pokušavajući da predvidim
tačno koje godine će prosečan dohodak po stanovniku
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at what year
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the average income per person
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02:19
in India, in China, will reach that of the West.
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u Indiji, Kini, dostići onaj na Zapadu.
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And I don't mean the whole economy,
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Ne mislim na celu ekonomiju,
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because to grow an economy
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budući da rast indijske ekonomije
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of India to the size of U.K. --
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do nivoa one Velike Britanije
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that's a piece of cake, with one billion people.
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nije nikakav problem kada imate milijardu stanovnika.
02:31
But I want to see when will the average pay, the money
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Zapravo, želim da uočim kada će prosečna mesečna plata,
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for each person, per month,
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novčano primanje svake osobe,
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in India and China,
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u Indiji i Kini,
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when will that have reached that of U.K. and the United States?
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kada će se izjednačiti sa onima u Velikoj Britaniji i SAD-u?
02:43
But I will start with a historical background.
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Ali počeću istorijskom pozadinom.
02:46
And you can see my map if I get it up here. You know?
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Možete da vidite mapu kada je postavim gore, zar ne?
02:49
I will start at 1858.
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Počeću od 1858.
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1858 was a year of great technological
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1858. je bila godina velikog tehnološkog napretka na Zapadu.
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advancement in the West.
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02:58
That was the year when Queen Victoria
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To je godina u kojoj je kraljica Viktorija
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was able, for the first time, to communicate
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po prvi put bila u mogućnosti da komunicira
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with President Buchanan,
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sa predsednikom Bjukenanom
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through the Transatlantic Telegraphic Cable.
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putem transatlantskog telegrafskog kabla.
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And they were the first to "Twitter" transatlantically.
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Oni su koristili prvi transatlantski Tviter.
03:11
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:12
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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And I've been able, through this wonderful Google and Internet,
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Koristeći ovaj izvanredan Google i internet
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to find the text of the telegram
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pronašao sam tekst telegrama
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sent back from President Buchanan to Queen Victoria.
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poslatog od predsednika Bjukenana kraljici Viktoriji.
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And it ends like this: "This telegraph
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Završava se sledećim rečima:
"Ovaj telegraf je fantastičan instrument za širenje religije,
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is a fantastic instrument to diffuse religion,
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03:30
civilization, liberty and law throughout the world."
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civilizacije, slobode i zakona širom sveta."
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Those are nice words. But I got sort of curious
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To su lepe reči.
Ali zainteresovalo me je šta je mislio pod "slobodom"
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of what he meant with liberty, and liberty for whom.
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i kome je bila namenjena ta sloboda.
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And we will think about that
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Razmislimo o tome
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when we look at the wider picture of the world in 1858.
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dok posmatramo širu sliku sveta iz 1858. godine
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Because 1858
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budući da je 1858.
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was also watershed year
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takođe bila prekretnica u istoriji Azije.
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in the history of Asia.
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03:54
1858 was the year
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1858. je bila godina
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when the courageous uprising
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u kojoj je smeli ustanak protiv strane okupacije u Indiji
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against the foreign occupation of India
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04:01
was defeated by the British forces.
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ugušila britanska vojska.
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And India was up to 89 years more of foreign domination.
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Nakon toga Indija je bila pod stranom vlašću još 89 godina.
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1858 in China
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1858. u Kini je godina
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was the victory in the Opium War by the British forces.
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pobede britanske vojske u Opijumskom ratu.
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And that meant that foreigners, as it said in the treaty,
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To je značilo da stranci, kako je navedeno u sporazumu,
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were allowed to trade freely in China.
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mogu slobodno da trguju u Kini
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It meant paying with opium for Chinese goods.
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i da opijumom plaćaju kinesku robu.
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And 1858 in Japan
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Japan je 1858. godine
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was the year when Japan had to sign the Harris Treaty
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primoran da potpiše Harisov sporazum
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and accept trade on favorable condition for the U.S.
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i da prihvati trgovinu pod povoljnim uslovima za SAD.
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And they were threatened by those black ships there,
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Ugrožavali su ih ti crni brodovi
koji su bili usidreni u tokijskoj luci tokom prethodne godine.
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that had been in Tokyo harbor over the last year.
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04:38
But, Japan, in contrast to India and China,
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Za razliku od Indije i Kine,
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maintained its national sovereignty.
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Japan je zadržao svoj nacionalni suverenitet.
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And let's see how much difference that can make.
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Pogledajmo koliko to može značiti.
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And I will do that by bringing these bubbles
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Uradiću to pokazujući balončiće
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back to a Gapminder graph here,
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ovde na "Gapminder" grafu.
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where you can see each bubble is a country.
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gde svaki balončić predstavlja jednu zemlju.
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The size of the bubble here is the population.
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Veličina balončića u ovom slučaju je brojnost populacije.
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On this axis, as I used to have income per person in comparable dollar.
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Na ovoj osi je dohodak po stanovniku izražen u uporedivim dolarima,
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And on that axis I have life expectancy, the health of people.
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a na ovoj osi je očekivano trajanje života, mera zdravlja populacije.
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And I also bring an innovation here.
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Takođe, uvodim inovaciju.
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I have transformed the laser beam
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U zelenoj Indiji sam pretvorio
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into an ecological, recyclable version here, in green India.
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laserski zrak u ekološku verziju koja se može reciklirati.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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And we will see, you know.
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I sad ćemo videti.
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Look here, 1858, India was here,
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Pogledajte: 1858. Indija je ovde,
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China was here, Japan was there,
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Kina ovde, Japan tamo,
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United States and United Kingdom
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a SAD i Velika Britanija su kao bogatije bile tamo.
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was richer over there.
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05:34
And I will start the world like this.
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Pokrenuću svet.
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India was not always like this level.
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Indija nije uvek bila na ovom nivou.
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Actually if we go back into the historical record,
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Zapravo, ako bismo pogledali u istorijske zapise
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there was a time hundreds of years ago
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postojalo je vreme pre nekoliko stotina godina
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when the income per person in India and China
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kada su prihodi po stanovniku u Indiji i Kini
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was even above that of Europe.
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bili viši čak i od onih u Evropi.
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But 1850 had already been many, many years of foreign domination,
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Ali do 1850. već mnogo, mnogo godina traje strana dominacija
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and India had been de-industrialized.
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i Indija je deindustrijalizovana.
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And you can see that the countries who were growing
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Možete uočiti da zemlje čija ekonomija raste
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their economy was United States and United Kingdom.
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jesu SAD i Velika Britanija.
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And they were also, by the end of the century, getting healthy,
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Do kraja veka one su, takođe, postajale zdravije,
06:01
and Japan was starting to catch up.
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a Japan je počeo da ih sustiže.
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India was trying down here.
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Indija se trudila ovde dole.
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Can you see how it starts to move there?
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Primećujete li kako počinje da se kreće?
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But really, really natural sovereignty was good for Japan.
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Ali suverenitet je bio zaista, zaista dobar za Japan.
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And Japan is trying to move up there.
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I Japan pokušava da se pomeri ovde gore.
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And it's the new century now. Health is getting better,
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Počinje novi vek.
Zdravlje se poboljšava, Velika Britanija, SAD.
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United Kingdom, United States.
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06:17
But careful now -- we are approaching the First World War.
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Oprezno sad - približava se Prvi svetski rat,
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And the First World War, you know,
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a Prvi svetski rat će, kao što znate,
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we'll see a lot of deaths and economical problems here.
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doneti mnogo smrti i ekonomskih problema.
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United Kingdom is going down.
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Velika Britanija pada.
A sada dolazi i španski grip.
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And now comes the Spanish flu also.
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06:30
And then after the First World War, they continue up.
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Posle Prvog svetskog rata one nastavljaju uspon.
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Still under foreign domination, and without sovereignty,
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Još uvek pod stranom dominacijom i bez suvereniteta,
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India and China are down in the corner.
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Indija i Kina su dole u ćošku.
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Not much has happened.
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Nije se puno toga dogodilo.
Povećala im se brojnost populacije, ali sve ostalo je skoro isto.
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They have grown their population but not much more.
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06:42
In the 1930's now, you can see
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Sada smo u 1930-im i možete primetiti
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that Japan is going to a period of war,
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da Japan prolazi kroz period rata
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with lower life expectancy.
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po nižem očekivanom trajanju života.
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And the Second World War was really a terrible event,
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Drugi svetski rat je bio zaista strašan događaj,
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also economically for Japan.
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za Japan i ekonomski,
ali su se oporavili veoma brzo po završetku rata.
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But they did recover quite fast afterwards.
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06:55
And we are moving into the new world.
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Stižemo u novi svet.
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In 1947 India finally
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Konačno 1947. Indija
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gained its independence.
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stiče nezavisnost.
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And they could raise the Indian flag and become a sovereign nation,
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Podigli su indijsku zastavu i postali suverena nacija,
07:06
but in very big difficulties down there.
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ali su u velikim problemima ovde dole.
07:09
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
07:12
In 1949 we saw the emergence of the modern China
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1949. smo prisustvovali javljanju moderne Kine
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in a way which surprised the world.
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na način koji je iznenadio svet.
07:18
And what happened?
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Šta se dogodilo?
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What happens in the after independence?
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Šta se događa posle sticanja nezavisnosti?
07:22
You can see that the health started to improve.
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Primetite da se zdravlje poboljšava.
07:24
Children started to go to school.
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Deca počinju da idu u škole.
07:26
Health services were provided.
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Zdravstvene usluge su pružane.
07:28
This is the Great Leap Forward, when China fell down.
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A onda je Kina pala za vreme Velikog skoka napred.
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It was central planning by Mao Tse Tung.
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To je bila centralna planska ekonomija Mao Cedunga.
07:34
China recovered. Then they said,
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Zatim se Kina oporavila, a onda su rekli:
07:36
"Nevermore, stupid central planning."
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"Nikad više, planska ekonomija je glupa."
07:38
But they went up here, and India was trying to follow.
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Otišli su ovde gore, a Indija je pokušavala da ih prati
07:41
And they were catching up indeed.
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i zaista su ih sustizali.
Obe zemlje su bile sve bolje sa zdravljem,
07:43
And both countries had the better health, but still
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ali su im ekonomije bile loše.
07:45
a very low economy.
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Stižemo do 1978, Mao Cedungove smrti
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And we came to 1978, and Mao Tse Tung died,
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07:50
and a new guy turned up from the left.
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i pojave novog levičara.
07:53
And it was Deng Xiaoping coming out here.
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To je bio Deng Šaoping.
07:56
And he said, "Doesn't matter
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Rekao je: "Nije bitno da li je mačka bela ili crna,
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if a cat is white or black,
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08:00
as long as it catches mice."
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sve dok hvata miševe."
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Because catching mice
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Zato što je hvatanje miševa
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is what the two cats wanted to do.
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ono što su dve mačke želele da rade.
08:07
And you can see the two cats being here,
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Primetite da dve mačke ovde,
Kina i Indija, žele da uhvate miševe tamo.
08:10
China and India, wanting to catch the mices over there, you know.
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08:13
And they decided to go not only for health and education,
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Odlučili su da ne unapređuju samo zdravstvo i obrazovanje,
08:16
but also starting to grow their economy.
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već da počnu i sa ekonomijom.
08:18
And the market reformer was successful there.
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Reforma tržišta se pokazala uspešnom ovde.
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In '92 India follows with a market reform.
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Indija sledi reformom tržišta 1992.
08:23
And they go quite closely together,
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I zatim idu prilično blizu zajedno
i možete primetiti da su sličnosti Indije i Kine
08:25
and you can see that the similarity with India and China,
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08:27
in many ways, are greater than the differences with them.
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na mnogo načina veće od njihovih različitosti.
08:30
And here they march on. And will they catch up?
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Ovde marširaju, ali da li će sustići?
08:32
This is the big question today.
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To je veliko pitanje današnjice.
08:34
There they are today.
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Ovde su danas.
Dakle, šta znači to što -
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Now what does it mean that the --
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08:41
the averages there -- this is the average of China.
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prosečne vrednosti - ovo je prosek Kine.
08:44
If I would split China, look here,
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Kada bih podelio Kinu, pogledajte ovde,
08:46
Shanghai has already catched up.
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Šangaj je već sustigao.
08:49
Shanghai is already there.
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Šangaj je već tamo.
08:51
And it's healthier than the United States.
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I još je zdraviji od SAD-a.
08:55
But on the other hand, Guizhou, one of the poorest
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Ali, sa druge strane, Guejdžou, jedna od siromašnijih,
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inland provinces of China, is there.
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kontinentalnih provincija Kine, je tamo.
09:01
And if I split Guizhou into urban and rural,
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A ako podelim Guejdžou na urbani i ruralni,
09:05
the rural part of Guizhou goes down there.
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ruralni deo Guejdžoua je tamo dole.
09:08
You see this enormous inequity in China,
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Primetite ove ogromne razlike unutar Kine,
09:11
in the midst of fast economic growth.
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usred brzog ekonomskog rasta.
09:13
And if I would also look at India,
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Kada pogledamo Indiju,
09:15
you have another type of inequity, actually, in India.
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ona zapravo poseduje drugu vrstu nejednakosti.
09:18
The geographical, macro-geographical difference is not so big.
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Geografska, makrogeografska razlika nije toliko velika.
Utar Pradeš, najveća pokrajina ovde,
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Uttar Pradesh, the biggest of the states here,
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09:25
is poorer and has a lower health than the rest of India.
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je siromašnija i lošijeg je zdravlja od ostatka Indije.
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Kerala is flying on top there,
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Kerala leti tamo na vrhu,
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matching United States in health,
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dostigavši SAD po zdravlju,
09:33
but not in economy.
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ali ne i ekonomiji.
09:35
And here, Maharashtra, with Mumbai,
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A ovde, Maharaštra, u kojoj je Mumbaj,
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is forging forward.
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grabi napred.
09:39
Now in India, the big inequities are within the state,
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Dakle, u Indiji su velike nejednakosti unutar pokrajina,
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rather than between the states.
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a ne između njih.
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And that is not a bad thing, in itself.
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Samo po sebi to nije loša stvar.
09:47
If you have a lot inequity, macro-geographical inequities
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Ako imate puno nejednakosti, makrogeografske nejednakosti
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can be more difficult in the long term to deal with,
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mogu biti teže za rešavanje na dugi period
nego ako je nejednakost unutar oblasti,
09:54
than if it is in the same area where you have a growth center
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gde je centar rasta
09:57
relatively close to where poor people are living.
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relativno blizu mesta gde žive siromašni ljudi.
10:00
No, there is one more inequity. Look there, United States.
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No, postoji još jedna nejednakost. Pogledaje tamo, SAD.
10:03
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:04
Oh, they broke my frame.
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Oh, probili su mi okvir stranice.
10:06
Washington, D.C. went out here.
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Grad Vašington je ovde.
(Smeh)
10:09
My friends at Gapminder wanted me to show this
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Moji prijatelji u "Gapminder"-u su me zamolili da pokažem ovo
10:12
because there is a new leader in Washington
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zato što se u Vašingtonu nalazi novi lider
10:14
who is really concerned about the health system.
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koji je zaista zabrinut za zdravstveni sistem.
10:16
And I can understand him, because Washington, D.C.
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Ja ga razumem, budući da je Vašington toliko bogat,
10:19
is so rich over there
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10:22
but they are not as healthy as Kerala.
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ali manje zdrav od Kerale.
10:24
It's quite interesting, isn't it?
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To je veoma interesantno, zar ne?
(Smeh)
10:26
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(Aplauz)
10:31
I can see a business opportunity for Kerala,
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Vidim poslovnu priliku za Keralu,
10:34
helping fix the health system in the United States.
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pomaganje SAD-u oko popravki zdravstvenog sistema.
10:36
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:38
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
10:40
Now here we have the whole world. You have the legend down there.
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Ovde imamo celi svet.
U donjem uglu je mapa.
10:43
And when you see the two giant cats here, pushing forward,
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Kada posmatrate dve velike mačke ovde kako guraju napred,
10:47
you see that in between them
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možete primetiti da se između njih
10:49
and ahead of them,
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i ispred njih nalazi cela skupina uzdižućih ekonomija sveta,
10:51
is the whole emerging economies of the world,
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10:53
which Thomas Friedman so correctly called the "flat world."
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što je Tomas Fridman veoma ispravno nazvao "ravnim svetom".
10:57
You can see that in health and education,
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Uočite da veliki deo svetske populacije
10:59
a large part of the world population is putting forward,
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gura napred što se tiče zdravlja i obrazovanja,
11:02
but in Africa, and other parts,
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ali da u Africi i nekim drugim mestima,
11:04
as in rural Guizhou in China,
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kao što je ruralni Guejdžou u Kini,
11:06
there is still people with low health and very low economy.
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ljudi i dalje žive u lošim zdravstvenim i ekonomskim uslovima.
11:09
We have an enormous disparity in the world.
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Postoje ogromne nejednakosti u svetu.
11:11
But most of the world in the middle are pushing forwards very fast.
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Ali veći deo sveta koji se nalazi u sredini veoma žuri napred.
11:16
Now, back to my projections.
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Vratimo se mojim predviđanjima.
11:18
When will it catch up? I have to go back to very conventional graph.
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Kada će sustići?
Moramo se vratiti konvencionalnom grafu.
11:23
I will show income per person on this axis instead,
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Na ovoj osi je dohodak po stanovniku,
11:26
poor down here, rich up there.
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siromašni su dole, bogati gore.
11:28
And then time here, from 1858
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A ovde je vremenska osa, od 1858.
11:30
I start the world.
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Pokrećem svet.
11:32
And we shall see what will happen with these countries.
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Videćemo šta će se dešavati sa ovim zemljama.
11:35
You see, China under foreign domination
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Vidite, u Kini pod stranom vlašću
11:38
actually lowered their income and came down to the Indian level here.
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dohodak je zapravo pao na nivo Indije ovde.
11:41
Whereas U.K. and United States is getting richer and richer.
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Za to vreme Velika Britanija i SAD postaju sve bogatije.
11:45
And after Second World War, United States is richer than U.K.
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Posle Drugog svetskog rata, SAD su bogatije od Britanije.
11:48
But independence is coming here.
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Nazavisnost dolazi.
11:50
Growth is starting, economic reform.
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Počinje rast, ekonomska reforma.
11:52
Growth is faster, and with projection from IMF
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Rast ubrzava i pomoću projekcija MMF-a
11:55
you can see where you expect them to be in 2014.
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možete videti kakvo stanje se očekuje 2014.
Pitanje je kada će se dogoditi sustizanje?
11:59
Now, the question is, "When will the catch up take place?"
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12:04
Look at, look at the United States.
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Pogledajte SAD.
12:06
Can you see the bubble?
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Vidite li mehur?
12:08
The bubbles, not my bubbles,
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Mehurove, ne moje balončiće,
12:10
but the financial bubbles.
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već finansijske mehurove.
12:12
That's the dot com bubble. This is the Lehman Brothers doorstep there.
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Ovo je "dot com" mehur.
Ovo je "stepenik" za koji su zašlužni "Lehman Brothers".
12:17
You see it came down there.
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Vidite kako je dohodak odjednom pao.
12:19
And it seems this is another rock coming down there, you know.
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Izgleda da je i ovde i "Northern Rock".
12:24
So they doesn't seem to go this way, these countries.
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Dakle, izgleda da ove zemlje ne idu ovim putem.
Izgleda da imaju mnogo umereniji rast, znate.
12:27
They seem to go in a more humble growth way, you know.
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12:30
And people interested in growth
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Ljudi koje interesuje rast
12:32
are turning their eyes towards Asia.
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počinju da gledaju ka Aziji.
12:35
I can compare to Japan. This is Japan coming up.
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Uporedimo sa Japanom. Ovo je uzdizanje Japana.
Vidite, Japan je to uradio na ovaj način.
12:38
You see, Japan did it like that.
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12:40
We add Japan to it.
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Dodajmo Japan.
12:42
And there is no doubt that fast catch up
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Nema sumnje da se brzo sustizanje može desiti.
12:45
can take place.
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Vidite li šta je Japan uradio?
12:47
Can you see here what Japan did?
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12:49
Japan did it like this, until full catch up,
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Japan je to činio ovako dok nisu sustigli,
12:51
and then they follow with the other high-income economies.
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a zatim prate ostale bogate ekonomije.
12:55
But the real projections for those ones,
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Ali prave projekcije za ovu grupu zemalja
12:58
I would like to give it like this.
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bih hteo da dam na ovaj način.
13:03
Can be worse, can be better.
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Može lošije, može bolje.
13:05
It's always difficult to predict, especially about the future.
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Uvek je teško predviđati, pogotovo kad je u pitanju budućnost.
Jedan istoričar mi je rekao da je još teže predviđati prošlost.
13:09
Now, a historian tells me it's even more difficult to predict about the past.
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13:12
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:14
I think I'm in a difficult position here.
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Mislim da sam u teškom položaju ovde.
13:17
Inequalities in China and India
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Nejednakosti u Kini i Indiji
13:19
I consider really the big obstacle
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smatram zaista velikom preprekom,
13:23
because to bring the entire population into growth and prosperity
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budući da je "uvlačenje" kompletnog stanovništva u rast i prosperitet
13:27
is what will create a domestic market,
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ono što će stvoriti domaće tržište,
13:29
what will avoid social instability,
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omogućiti društvenu stabilnost
13:32
and which will make use of the entire capacity
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i iskoristiti pun kapacitet stanovništva.
13:35
of the population.
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13:37
So, social investments in health, education and infrastructure,
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Dakle, društvena ulaganja u zdravstvo, obrazovanje i infrastrukturu,
13:41
and electricity is really what is needed in India and China.
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i elektrifikaciju su ono što je zaista neophodno Indiji i Kini.
13:47
You know the climate. We have great international experts
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Upoznati ste sa klimom.
Internacionalni eksperti iz Indije poručuju da se klima menja
13:50
within India telling us that the climate is changing,
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13:53
and actions has to be taken,
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i da moramo delati,
13:55
otherwise China and India would be the countries
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inače će Kina i Indija biti zemlje
13:58
most to suffer from climate change.
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koje će najviše pogoditi klimatske promene.
14:00
And I consider India and China the best partners in the world
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Smatram da su Indija i Kina najbolji partneri na svetu
14:03
in a good global climate policy.
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po pitanju dobre globalne klimatske politike.
14:06
But they ain't going to pay
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Ali oni neće plaćati
14:08
for what others, who have more money,
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ono što su drugi, koji imaju više novca,
14:10
have largely created, and I can agree on that.
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uglavnom stvorili i ja se mogu složiti sa time.
14:13
But what I'm really worried about is war.
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Ali ono što me istinski brine je rat.
14:16
Will the former rich countries really accept
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Da li će bivše bogate zemlje zaista prihvatiti
14:18
a completely changed world economy,
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da se svetska ekonomija potpuno promeni
14:21
and a shift of power away from where it has been
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i da se moć premesti sa mesta na kojima je bila
14:24
the last 50 to 100 to 150 years,
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prethodnih 50, 100, pa i 150 godina,
14:26
back to Asia?
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nazad u Aziju?
14:28
And will Asia be able to handle that
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I da li će Azija biti u stanju da se nosi
14:30
new position of being in charge
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sa novom vodećom pozicijom,
14:32
of being the most mighty, and the governors of the world?
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pozicijom najmoćnijeg i svetskog vladara?
14:35
So, always avoid war,
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Uvek treba izbeći rat,
14:37
because that always pushes human beings backward.
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rat gurne ljude unazad.
14:40
Now if these inequalities, climate and war can be avoided,
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Dakle, ako rešimo probleme nejednakosti, klime i ratovanje,
14:44
get ready for a world in equity,
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spremite se za svet jednakosti.
14:47
because this is what seems to be happening.
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Po svemu sudeći to se dešava.
14:50
And that vision that I got as a young student,
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I ta vizija koju sam imao kao mladi student 1972. godine,
14:52
1972, that Indians can be much better than Swedes,
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kako Indijci mogu biti daleko bolji od Šveđana,
14:58
is just about to happen.
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će se uskoro desiti.
15:00
And it will happen precisely
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A desiće se tačno
15:03
the year 2048
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2048. godine
15:07
in the later part of the summer, in July,
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u kasnijem delu leta, u julu,
15:10
more precisely, the 27th of July.
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tačnije 27. jula.
15:13
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
15:21
The 27th of July, 2048
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27. jul 2048.
15:25
is my 100th birthday.
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je moj 100. rođendan.
15:27
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
15:29
And I expect to speak
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I očekujem da ću govoriti
15:31
in the first session of the 39th TED India.
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u prvoj sesiji na 39. konferenciji TED India.
15:35
Get your bookings in time. Thank you very much.
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Rezervišite karte na vreme.
Mnogo vam hvala.
15:38
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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