Bonnie Bassler: The secret, social lives of bacteria

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Prevodilac: Branislava Vajagić Lektor: Ivana Korom
Bakterije su najstariji živi organizmi na Zemlji.
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Bacteria are the oldest living organisms on the earth.
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They've been here for billions of years,
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Postoje ovde milijardama godina,
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and what they are are single-celled microscopic organisms.
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i one su ustvari jednoćelijski mikroskopski organizmi.
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So they're one cell
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Znači, one su samo jedna ćelija, i imaju jedno posebno svojstvo,
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and they have this special property that they only have one piece of DNA.
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da imaju samo jedan DNK molekul.
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So they have very few genes and genetic information
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Imaju veoma malo gena,
i genetskog materijala za ispisivanje svih sposobnosti koje nose.
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to encode all of the traits that they carry out.
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And the way bacteria make a living is that they consume nutrients
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A način na koji bakterije žive,
jeste taj da one uzimaju hranljive sastojke iz sredine,
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from the environment,
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they grow to twice their size,
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porastu duplo u odnosu na svoju veličinu, podele se po sredini,
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they cut themselves down in the middle,
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i jedna ćelija postaje dve, i tako dalje i tako dalje.
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and one cell becomes two, and so on and so on.
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They just grow and divide and grow and divide -- so a kind of boring life,
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One samo rastu i dele se, rastu i dele se - znači prilično dosadan život,
00:53
except that what I would argue is that you have an amazing interaction
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osim, što bih htela da vam pokažem, jeste da imate
fantastičnu interakciju sa ovim stvorenjima.
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with these critters.
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I know you guys think of yourself as humans,
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Znam da vi o sebi mislite kao o ljudima, a ovako ja otprilike mislim o vama.
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and this is sort of how I think of you.
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Ovaj čovek treba da predstavlja
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This man is supposed to represent a generic human being,
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ljudsko biće, generalno,
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and all of the circles in that man are all the cells that make up your body.
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i svi krugovi na tom čoveku su sve ćelije koje čine vaše telo.
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There's about a trillion human cells that make each one of us who we are
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Postoji otprilike trilion ljudskih ćelija, koje čine svakog od nas,
ko smo i šta smo sve sposobni da uradimo,
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and able to do all the things that we do.
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ali postoji 10 triliona bakterijskih ćelija
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But you have 10 trillion bacterial cells in you or on you
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u vama i na vama, u bilo kom trenutku vašeg života.
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at any moment in your life.
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So, 10 times more bacterial cells than human cells on a human being.
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Znači, 10 puta više bakterijskih ćelija
nego ljudskih ćelija na jednom ljudskom biću.
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And, of course, it's the DNA that counts,
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I naravno, DNK je ono što se računa,
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so here's all the A, T, Gs and Cs that make up your genetic code
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pa su tu svi A, T, G i C,
koji čine vaš genetski kod i daju vam sve vaše očaravajuće karakteristike.
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and give you all your charming characteristics.
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Vi imate otprilike 30.000 gena.
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You have about 30,000 genes.
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Well, it turns out you have 100 times more bacterial genes
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E pa, kako izgleda, imate 100 puta više bakterijskih gena,
koji igraju neku ulogu u vama ili na vama, tokom čitavog vašeg života.
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playing a role in you or on you all of your life.
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So at the best, you're 10 percent human; more likely, about one percent human,
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U najboljem slučaju, vi ste 10 procenata čovek,
ali verovatnije negde oko jednog procenta čovek,
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depending on which of these metrics you like.
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u zavisnosti od toga koja vam se od ovih metrika više dopada.
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I know you think of yourself as human beings,
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Znam da o sebi razmišljate kao o ljudskim bićima,
ali ja o vama razmišljam kao 90 ili 99 procenata bakterija.
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but I think of you as 90 or 99 percent bacterial.
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01:54
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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And these bacteria are not passive riders.
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Ove bakterije nisu samo pasivni putnici,
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These are incredibly important; they keep us alive.
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one su neverovatno važne, one nas održavaju u životu.
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They cover us in an invisible body armor
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One nas prekrivaju nevidljivim oklopom
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that keeps environmental insults out so that we stay healthy.
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koji nas štiti od različitih povreda okoline,
kako bismo ostali zdravi.
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They digest our food, they make our vitamins,
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One vare našu hranu, prave naše vitamine,
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they actually educate your immune system to keep bad microbes out.
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one ustvari uče vaš imuni sistem
da loše mikrobe drže napolju.
Znači, one rade sve ove neverovatne stvari,
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So they do all these amazing things
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koje nam pomažu i koje su neophodne kako bismo živeli,
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that help us and are vital for keeping us alive,
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and they never get any press for that.
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a nikada se ništa o tome ne piše.
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But they get a lot of press because they do a lot of terrible things as well.
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Ali se mnogo piše o njima, jer one isto tako prave
mnoge strašne stvari.
Znači, postoje različite vrste bakterija na Zemlji
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So there's all kinds of bacteria on the earth
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that have no business being in you or on you at any time,
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koje nemaju nikakve potrebe da budu u vama ili na vama, u bilo kom momentu,
a ako jesu, onda vas čine neverovatno bolesnim.
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and if they are, they make you incredibly sick.
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And so the question for my lab
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I tako je pitanje za moju laboratoriju da li želite da mislite o svim
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is whether you want to think about all the good things that bacteria do
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dobrim stvarima koje bakterije rade, ili svim lošim stvarima.
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or all the bad things that bacteria do.
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The question we had is: How could they do anything at all?
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Naše pitanje je bilo kako one uopšte mogu bilo šta da urade?
Mislim, one su neverovatno male,
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I mean, they're incredibly small.
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You have to have a microscope to see one.
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potreban vam je mikroskop da vidite jednu.
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They live this sort of boring life where they grow and divide,
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Žive taj neki dosadan život, u kom rastu i dele se,
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and they've always been considered to be these asocial, reclusive organisms.
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i oduvek se smatralo da su asocijalni, usamljeni organizmi.
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And so it seemed to us that they're just too small
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I tako nam se činilo da su isuviše mali da bi imali uticaja
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to have an impact on the environment
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na okolinu
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if they simply act as individuals.
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ako delaju pojedinačno.
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So we wanted to think if there couldn't be a different way that bacteria live.
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I hteli smo da razmišljamo o tome da li postoji drugačiji
način na koji bakterija živi.
Ideja je potekla od jedne morske bakterije,
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And the clue to this came from another marine bacterium,
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and it's a bacterium called "Vibrio fischeri."
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bakterije koja se zove Vibrio fischeri.
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What you're looking at on this slide is just a person from my lab
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Ono što vidite na ovom slajdu je samo jedna osoba iz moje laboratorije
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holding a flask of a liquid culture of a bacterium,
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kako drži bocu sa tečnom kulturom bakterije,
bezazlene, prelepe bakterije koja dolazi iz okeana,
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a harmless, beautiful bacterium that comes from the ocean,
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i zove se Vibrio fischeri.
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named Vibrio fischeri.
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And this bacterium has the special property that it makes light,
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Ova bakterija ima posebnu sposobnost da stvara svetlo,
i tako stvara bioluminiscenciju,
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so it makes bioluminescence,
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like fireflies make light.
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kao što svici stvaraju svetlost.
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We're not doing anything to the cells here,
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Mi ovde ništa ne radimo sa ćelijama.
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we just took the picture by turning the lights off in the room,
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Jednostavno smo napravili fotografiju kada smo isključili svetla u prostoriji
i ovo je ono što vidimo.
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and this is what we see.
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And what's actually interesting to us was not that the bacteria made light
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Ono što nam je ustvari bilo zanimljivo,
nije to da bakterija stvara svetlost,
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but when the bacteria made light.
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nego kada bakterija stvara svetlost.
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What we noticed is when the bacteria were alone,
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Ono što smo primetili jeste da kada su bakterije same,
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so when they were in dilute suspension,
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kada su bile u razblaženoj suspenziji, one nisu stvarale svetlost.
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they made no light.
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Ali kada se broj ćelija uvećao, do neke određene vrednosti,
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But when they grew to a certain cell number,
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sve bakterije su simultano uključile svetlo.
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all the bacteria turned on light simultaneously.
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So the question that we had is:
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Pitanje koje smo imali je kako bakterije, ti primitivni organizmi,
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How can bacteria, these primitive organisms,
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mogu da uoče razliku između toga kada su same,
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tell the difference from times when they're alone
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i kada su u zajednici,
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and times when they're in a community,
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i onda sve zajedno urade nešto.
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and then all do something together?
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Ono što smo shvatili, jeste da je način na koji to rade ustvari razgovor,
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And what we figured out is that the way they do that is they talk to each other,
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i da one razgovaraju jezikom hemije.
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and they talk with a chemical language.
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Ovo sada treba da bude moja bakterijska ćelija.
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So this is now supposed to be my bacterial cell.
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Kada je sama, ne pravi nikakvo svetlo.
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When it's alone, it doesn't make any light.
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But what it does do is to make and secrete small molecules
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Ali ono što radi je da stvara i luči male molekule,
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that you can think of like hormones,
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koje možete da zamislite kao hormone,
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and these are the red triangles.
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i to su ovi crveni trouglovi, i kada je bakterija sama
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And when the bacteria are alone, the molecules just float away,
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molekuli samo plutaju okolo i nema svetla.
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and so, no light.
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But when the bacteria grow and double
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Ali kada bakterija naraste i umnoži se,
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and they're all participating in making these molecules,
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i kada svi učestvuju u stvaranju ovih molekula,
molekul -- vanćelijska količina ovog molekula
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the molecule, the extracellular amount of that molecule,
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increases in proportion to cell number.
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povećava se proporcionalno broju ćelija.
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And when the molecule hits a certain amount
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I kada molekuli dođu do određenog broja
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that tells the bacteria how many neighbors there are,
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to govori bakteriji koliko suseda ima,
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they recognize that molecule
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one prepoznaju taj molekul
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and all of the bacteria turn on light in synchrony.
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i sve bakterije uključe svetlo, sinhronizovano.
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And so that's how bioluminescence works --
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Tako funkcioniše bioluminiscencija --
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they're talking with these chemical words.
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one razgovaraju ovim hemijskim rečima.
Razlog zbog kojeg Vibrio fischeri to radi, dolazi iz biologije.
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The reason Vibrio fischeri is doing that comes from the biology --
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again, another plug for the animals in the ocean.
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Opet, još jedan utikač za životinje u okeanu,
Vibrio fischeri živi u ovoj sipi.
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Vibrio fischeri lives in this squid.
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What you're looking at is the Hawaiian bobtail squid.
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Ono što vidite je Hawaiian Bobtail sipa,
koja je okrenuta na leđa,
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It's been turned on its back,
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and what I hope you can see are these two glowing lobes.
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i ono što se nadam da možete da vidite, su ova krila koja sijaju,
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These house the Vibrio fischeri cells.
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i u kojima su smeštene ćelije Vibrio fischeri,
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They live in there, at high cell number.
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one tu žive i kada je visok broj ćelija,
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That molecule is there, and they're making light.
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taj molekul je prisutan i one stvaraju svetlost.
Razlog zbog kojeg sipa prihvata ove podvale
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And the reason the squid is willing to put up with these shenanigans
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je zato što želi to svetlo.
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is because it wants that light.
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Ova simbioza funkcioniše jer
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The way that this symbiosis works
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ove male sipe žive uz samu obalu Havaja,
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is that this little squid lives just off the coast of Hawaii,
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just in sort of shallow knee-deep water.
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u plitkoj vodi, dubine kolena.
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And the squid is nocturnal,
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Sipa je noćno stvorenje, tako da tokom dana
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so during the day, it buries itself in the sand and sleeps.
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spava zakopana u pesku,
ali noću, ona mora da izađe kako bi lovila.
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But then at night, it has to come out to hunt.
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So on bright nights
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Tokom vedrih noći, kada ima dosta mesečine i svetlosti zvezda,
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when there's lots of starlight or moonlight,
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ta svetlost može da se probije kroz vodu
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that light can penetrate the depth of the water the squid lives in,
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u kojoj sipa živi, pošto se nalazi u plićaku.
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since it's just in those couple feet of water.
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Ono što je sipa razvila, jeste neka vrsta zatvarača
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What the squid has developed is a shutter that can open and close
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koji može da se otvori i zatovri, iznad ovog specijalnog organa gde su bakterije.
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over the specialized light organ housing the bacteria.
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Na leđima ima detektore
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And then it has detectors on its back
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kako bi mogla da oseti koliko mesečine pada na njena leđa.
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so it can sense how much starlight or moonlight is hitting its back.
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And it opens and closes the shutter
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I zatim otvara i zatvara ovaj zatvarač
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so the amount of light coming out of the bottom,
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tako da količina svetla koja dolazi sa dna --
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which is made by the bacterium,
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a koju stvaraju bakterije --
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exactly matches how much light hits the squid's back,
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bude ista kao količina svetla koja pada sipi na leđa,
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so the squid doesn't make a shadow.
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kako ne bi napravila senku.
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So it actually uses the light from the bacteria
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Ona ustvari koristi svetlost bakterija
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to counter-illuminate itself in an antipredation device,
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kao sredstvo kontra-svetla, kao sistem zaštite
kako predatori ne bi mogli da vide njenu senku,
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so predators can't see its shadow,
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izračunaju njenu putanju i pojedu je.
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calculate its trajectory and eat it.
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Ovo je nešto kao stelt bombarder okeana.
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So this is like the stealth bomber of the ocean.
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06:27
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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But then if you think about it, this squid has this terrible problem,
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Ali ako malo bolje razmislite, sipa ima ovaj strašan problem
jer ima ovu umiruću, gustu kulturu bakterija
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because it's got this dying, thick culture of bacteria,
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and it can't sustain that.
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koju ne može da održava.
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And so what happens is, every morning when the sun comes up,
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I šta se onda dešava, svako jutro kada se pojavi sunce
sipa odlazi da spava, zakopavajući se u pesak,
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the squid goes back to sleep, it buries itself in the sand,
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i ima pumpu koja je spojena sa njenim svakodnevnim ritmom,
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and it's got a pump that's attached to its circadian rhythm.
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i kada sunce izađe, ona ispumpa nekih 95 procenata bakterije.
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And when the sun comes up, it pumps out, like, 95 percent of the bacteria.
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So now the bacteria are dilute,
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Sada su bakterije razređene, onaj mali hormonski molekul je nestao,
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that little hormone molecule is gone, so they're not making light.
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pa one ne stvaraju svetlost --
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But, of course, the squid doesn't care, it's asleep in the sand.
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ali sipu naravno nije ni briga. Ona spava u pesku.
I kako dan odmiče, bakterije se umnožavaju,
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And as the day goes by, the bacteria double,
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ispuštaju molekul i svetlo se pojavljuje
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they release the molecule, and then light comes on at night,
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uveče, baš onda kada je sipi potrebno.
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exactly when the squid wants it.
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So first, we figured out how this bacterium does this,
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Prvo smo shvatili kako to ova bakterija radi,
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but then we brought the tools of molecular biology to this
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a onda smo uzeli alate molekularne biologije
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to figure out, really, what's the mechanism.
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da zaista shvatimo kakav je to mehanizam.
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And what we found -- so this is now supposed to be my bacterial cell --
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I ono što smo pronašli -- ovo je ponovo moja bakterijska ćelija --
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is that Vibrio fischeri has a protein.
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je to da Vibrio fischeri ima protein --
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That's the red box --
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to je ova crvena kutijica -- to je enzim koji čini
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it's an enzyme that makes that little hormone molecule,
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ovaj mali hormonski molekul -- crveni trougao.
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the red triangle.
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And then as the cells grow,
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A zatim, kako broj ćelija raste, sve one ispuštaju taj molekul
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they're all releasing that molecule into the environment,
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u svoju sredinu, pa tako ima mnogo molekula.
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so there's lots of molecule there.
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A bakterija takođe ima receptor na površini ćelije
07:30
And the bacteria also have a receptor on their cell surface
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that fits like a lock and key with that molecule.
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koji se uklapa kao brava s ključem, sa tim molekulom.
07:36
These are just like the receptors on the surfaces of your cells.
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Ovi receptori su isti kao i oni na površini vaših ćelija.
Kada se broj molekula poveća do određenog broja --
07:40
So when the molecule increases to a certain amount,
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which says something about the number of cells,
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što govori o broju ćelija --
07:44
it locks down into that receptor
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on se zaključava u taj receptor
07:46
and information comes into the cells
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i informacija dolazi u ćelije
i govori ćelijama da uključe
07:49
that tells the cells to turn on this collective behavior of making light.
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to kolektivno ponašanje da prave svetlost.
07:53
Why this is interesting is because in the past decade,
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Ovo je interesantno zbog toga što smo u prošloj deceniji
07:56
we have found that this is not just some anomaly
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otkrili da ovo nije samo neka anomalija
07:58
of this ridiculous, glow-in-the-dark bacterium that lives in the ocean --
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ove smešne sija-u-mraku bakterije, koja živi u okeanu --
sve bakterije imaju ovakve sisteme.
08:02
all bacteria have systems like this.
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08:04
So now what we understand is that all bacteria can talk to each other.
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Ono što sada shvatamo jeste da sve bakterije mogu da razgovaraju međusobno.
08:07
They make chemical words, they recognize those words,
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One prave hemijske reči, prepoznaju te reči,
08:10
and they turn on group behaviors
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i uključuju grupno ponašanje,
08:12
that are only successful when all of the cells participate in unison.
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koje uspešno funkcioniše kada sve ćelije učestvuju zajedno.
08:17
So now we have a fancy name for this: we call it "quorum sensing."
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Imamo fensi ime za ovo, zovemo to kvorumska percepcija.
08:20
They vote with these chemical votes,
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Oni glasaju ovim hemijskim glasovima,
08:22
the vote gets counted, and then everybody responds to the vote.
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glasovi se prebroje i onda svi odgovore na ono što je izglasano.
08:26
What's important for today's talk is we know there are hundreds of behaviors
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Ono što je važno za današnji govor,
jeste to da znamo da postoji stotine ponašanja
08:30
that bacteria carry out in these collective fashions.
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koje bakterije sprovode na ovaj zajednički način.
08:33
But the one that's probably the most important to you is virulence.
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Ali ono koje je vama verovatno najvažnije jeste zaraza.
Nije to kao da nekoliko bakterija uđe u vaš organizam
08:37
It's not like a couple bacteria get in you and start secreting some toxins --
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i počne da proizvodi neke toksine --
08:41
you're enormous; that would have no effect on you, you're huge.
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vi ste ogromni, to ne bi imalo nikakvog efekta na vas. Vi ste ogromni.
Ono što one rade, a to sada razumemo,
08:45
But what they do, we now understand,
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is they get in you, they wait, they start growing,
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jeste da uđu u vaš organizam, čekaju, počnu da rastu,
08:50
they count themselves with these little molecules,
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prebrojavaju se uz pomoć ovih malih molekula,
08:52
and they recognize when they have the right cell number
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i prepoznaju kada imaju odgovarajući broj ćelija
da ako sve bakterije zajedno otpočnu svoj napad zaraze,
08:55
that if all of the bacteria launch their virulence attack together,
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they're going to be successful at overcoming an enormous host.
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onda uspešno mogu da savladaju ogromnog domaćina.
09:02
So bacteria always control pathogenicity with quorum sensing.
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Bakterije uvek kontrolišu oboljevanje ovom kvorumskom percepcijom.
Tako to funkcioniše.
09:07
So that's how it works.
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Zatim smo želeli da pogledamo šta su ustvari ovi molekuli --
09:09
We also then went to look at what are these molecules.
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09:11
These were the red triangles on my slides before.
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to su bili oni crveni trouglovi na prošlom slajdu.
09:14
This is the Vibrio fischeri molecule.
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Ovo je molekul Vibrio fischeri.
09:16
This is the word that it talks with.
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Ovo je reč uz pomoć koje govori.
09:18
And then we started to look at other bacteria,
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Onda smo počeli da posmatramo druge bakterije,
09:20
and these are just a smattering of the molecules that we've discovered.
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i ovo je samo deo molekula koje smo otkrili.
Ono što se nadam da možete da vidite
09:24
What I hope you can see is that the molecules are related.
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jeste da su molekuli povezani.
09:27
The left-hand part of the molecule is identical
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Deo molekula s leve strane je identičan
09:29
in every single species of bacteria.
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kod svih vrsta bakterija.
09:32
But the right-hand part of the molecule is a little bit different
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Ali desni deo molekula je pomalo drugačiji kod svake pojedinačne vrste.
09:35
in every single species.
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To je ono što ustvari daje
09:37
What that does is to confer exquisite species specificities to these languages.
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odabranoj vrsti specifičnosti njihovih jezika.
09:42
So each molecule fits into its partner receptor
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Svaki molekul uklapa se sa svojim partnerskim receptorom i ni jednim drugim.
09:45
and no other.
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Tako da su ovo privatni, tajni razgovori.
09:47
So these are private, secret conversations.
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09:49
These conversations are for intraspecies communication.
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Ovi razgovori su samo za komunikaciju u okviru vrste.
09:53
Each bacteria uses a particular molecule that's its language
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Svaka bakterija koristi poseban molekul, koji je njen jezik,
09:57
that allows it to count its own siblings.
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koji omogućava prebrojavanje svojih rođaka.
Kada smo dotle došli, mislili smo
10:02
Once we got that far,
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we thought we were starting to understand that bacteria have these social behaviors.
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da smo na početku shvatanja da bakterije imaju društveno ponašanje.
Ali ono o čemu smo zaista razmišljali jeste da većinu vremena
10:07
But what we were really thinking about is that most of the time,
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bakterije ne žive same, već žive u neverovatnim mešavinama
10:10
bacteria don't live by themselves, they live in incredible mixtures,
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sa stotinama ili hiljadama drugih vrsta bakterija.
10:13
with hundreds or thousands of other species of bacteria.
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10:16
And that's depicted on this slide.
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I to je prikazano na ovom slajdu. Ovo je vaša koža.
10:18
This is your skin.
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10:19
So this is just a picture -- a micrograph of your skin.
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Ovo je znači samo slika -- mikrograf vaše kože.
10:22
Anywhere on your body, it looks pretty much like this.
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Bilo gde na vašem telu, to izgleda manje više ovako,
i ono što se nadam da možete da vidite, jeste da tu ima raznih vrsta bakterija.
10:25
What I hope you can see
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is that there's all kinds of bacteria there.
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10:28
And so we started to think, if this really is about communication in bacteria,
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Počeli smo da razmišljamo da li je ovo zaista vezano za komunikaciju među bakterijama
10:32
and it's about counting your neighbors,
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i o brojanju svojih suseda,
10:34
it's not enough to be able to only talk within your species.
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i kako nije dovoljno da samo možete da razgovarate u okviru svoje vrste.
Mora da postoji način da se napravi popis
10:38
There has to be a way to take a census
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ostalih bakterija u okviru populacije.
10:40
of the rest of the bacteria in the population.
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Zato smo se vratili molekularnoj biologiji
10:43
So we went back to molecular biology
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i počeli da proučavamo različite bakterije,
10:45
and started studying different bacteria.
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i ono što smo otkrili jeste da su
10:47
And what we've found now is that, in fact, bacteria are multilingual.
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bakterije ustvari multilingvalne
Sve one imaju sistem koji je specifičan za vrstu --
10:51
They all have a species-specific system,
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one imaju molekul koji kaže "ja".
10:54
they have a molecule that says "me."
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10:55
But then running in parallel to that is a second system
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Ali pored tog, one imaju drugi, paralelan, sistem,
10:58
that we've discovered, that's generic.
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koji smo otrkili, koji je opšti.
11:00
So they have a second enzyme that makes a second signal,
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Znači, imaju drugi enzim koji daje drugi signal
11:03
and it has its own receptor,
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i koji ima svoj sopstveni receptor,
11:05
and this molecule is the trade language of bacteria.
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i taj molekul je bakterijski jezik razmene.
Koriste ga sve različite bakterije,
11:09
It's used by all different bacteria,
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i to je jezik komunikacije među vrstama.
11:11
and it's the language of interspecies communication.
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11:14
What happens is that bacteria are able to count
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Ono što se događa, jeste da bakterije mogu da prebroje
koliko ima "mene" i koliko ima "tebe".
11:18
how many of "me" and how many of "you."
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11:20
And they take that information inside,
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One prihvataju tu informaciju,
11:22
and they decide what tasks to carry out
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i odlučuju koji će zadatak da obave,
u zavisnosti od toga ko je u manjini, a ko u većini
11:25
depending on who's in the minority and who's in the majority
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11:28
of any given population.
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u okviru date populacije.
11:30
Then, again, we turned to chemistry,
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Onda smo se ponovo okrenuli hemiji,
11:32
and we figured out what this generic molecule is --
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i shvatili smo šta je ovaj opšti molekul --
11:35
that was the pink ovals on my last slide, this is it.
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to su bili roze ovalni oblici na poslednjem slajdu, to je to.
11:38
It's a very small, five-carbon molecule.
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To je veoma mali molekul C5.
Ono što je važno jeste da smo naučili,
11:41
And what the important thing is that we learned
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is that every bacterium has exactly the same enzyme
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da svaka bakterija ima isti enzim
11:46
and makes exactly the same molecule.
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i pravi potpuno isti molekul.
11:48
So they're all using this molecule for interspecies communication.
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Znači sve one koriste ovaj molekul
za komunikaciju među vrstama.
11:52
This is the bacterial Esperanto.
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To je bakterijski Esperanto.
11:55
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:56
So once we got that far,
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Kada smo dotle stigli, počeli smo da učimo
11:58
we started to learn that bacteria can talk to each other
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da bakterije razgovaraju međusobno uz pomoć ovog hemijskog jezika.
12:00
with this chemical language.
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Ali počeli smo da mislimo da možda postoji nešto
12:02
But we started to think
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that maybe there is something practical that we can do here as well.
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praktično, što ovde možemo da uradimo.
Rekla sam vam da bakterije imaju razna društvena ponašanja,
12:06
I've told you that bacteria have all these social behaviors,
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da komuniciraju uz pomoć ovih molekula.
12:09
that they communicate with these molecules.
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12:11
Of course, I've also told you that one of the important things they do
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Takođe sam vam rekla da jedna od važnih stvari koju rade
jeste izazivanje bolesti uz pomoć kvorumske percepcije.
12:15
is to initiate pathogenicity using quorum sensing.
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Mislili smo, šta ako napravimo da bakterije
12:18
So we thought:
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12:19
What if we made these bacteria so they can't talk or they can't hear?
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ne mogu da pričaju ili ne mogu da čuju?
Zar to ne bi bila nova vrsta antibiotika?
12:23
Couldn't these be new kinds of antibiotics?
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12:25
And of course, you've just heard and you already know
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Naravno, upravo ste čuli i već znate
da nam ponestaje antibiotika.
12:28
that we're running out of antibiotics.
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Bakterije su trenutno veoma otporne na razne vrste lekova,
12:30
Bacteria are incredibly multi-drug-resistant right now,
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12:32
and that's because all of the antibiotics that we use kill bacteria.
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a to je zato što svi antibiotici koje koristimo ubijaju bakterije.
12:36
They either pop the bacterial membrane,
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Oni razbijaju membranu bakterije,
12:38
they make the bacterium so it can't replicate its DNA.
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i bakterija ne može ponovo da napravi svoj DNK.
12:41
We kill bacteria with traditional antibiotics,
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Mi ubijamo bakterije sa tradicionalnim antibioticima
12:44
and that selects for resistant mutants.
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a to stvara otporne mutante.
12:46
And so now, of course, we have this global problem
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I zato sada imamo ovaj globalni problem
12:49
in infectious diseases.
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kada su infektivne bolesti u pitanju.
12:51
So we thought, what if we could sort of do behavior modifications,
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Mislili smo, šta ako bismo mogli da napravimo promene u ponašanju,
12:54
just make these bacteria so they can't talk, they can't count,
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da onemogućimo bakterije da razgovaraju, da ne mogu da se prebroje,
i tako ne znaju da lansiraju svoj otrov.
12:58
and they don't know to launch virulence?
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13:00
So that's exactly what we've done,
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I to je upravo ono što smo uradili i napravili smo dve strategije.
13:02
and we've sort of taken two strategies.
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Prva je da smo ciljali
13:04
The first one is, we've targeted the intraspecies communication system.
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na sistem komunikacije između vrsta.
13:08
So we made molecules that look kind of like the real molecules, which you saw,
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Napravili smo molekule koji izgledaju kao pravi molekuli --
koje ste videli -- ali su malo drugačiji.
13:12
but they're a little bit different.
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I tako se oni uklope sa receptorima,
13:14
And so they lock into those receptors,
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i blokiraju prepoznavanje prave stvari.
13:16
and they jam recognition of the real thing.
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13:18
So by targeting the red system,
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Ciljajući crveni sistem,
13:20
what we are able to do is make species-specific, or disease-specific,
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možemo da napravimo
određenu vrstu, ili anti-kvorumske molekule za određenu bolest.
13:25
anti-quorum-sensing molecules.
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13:27
We've also done the same thing with the pink system.
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Isto smo uradili i sa rozim sistemom.
13:30
We've taken that universal molecule and turned it around a little bit
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Uzeli smo univerzalni molekul i malo ga promenili,
13:33
so that we've made antagonists of the interspecies communication system.
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tako što smo napravili protivnike
komunikacionom sistemu između vrsta.
Nadamo se da će ovo biti upotrebljeno za različite vrste antibiotika
13:38
The hope is that these will be used as broad-spectrum antibiotics
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13:42
that work against all bacteria.
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koji rade protiv bakterija.
13:44
And so to finish, I'll show you the strategy.
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Za kraj ću vam samo pokazati strategiju.
13:47
In this one, I'm just using the interspecies molecule,
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U ovoj koristim samo molekule različitih vrsta
13:49
but the logic is exactly the same.
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ali je princip potpuno isti.
13:51
So what you know is that when that bacterium gets into the animal --
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Ono što znate je da kada bakterija uđe u životinju,
u ovom slučaju u miša.
13:55
in this case, a mouse --
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13:56
it doesn't initiate virulence right away.
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ona ne pušta otrov odmah.
13:58
It gets in, it starts growing,
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Ona uđe unutra, počne da raste, počne da emituje
14:00
it starts secreting its quorum-sensing molecules.
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svoje molekule za kvorumsku percepciju.
14:03
It recognizes when it has enough bacteria
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Prepoznaje kada ima dovoljno bakterija
14:05
that now they're going to launch their attack,
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da može da lansira svoj napad,
i životinja umire.
14:08
and the animal dies.
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14:09
And so what we've been able to do is to give these virulent infections,
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Ono što smo uspeli da uradimo jeste da damo ove otrovne infekcije,
14:12
but we give them in conjunction with our anti-quorum-sensing molecules.
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ali smo ih dali zajedno sa anti-kvorumskim molekulima percepcije --
14:16
So these are molecules that look kind of like the real thing,
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to su molekuli koji izgledaju kao prava stvar,
ali su malo drugačiji, što sam predstavila na ovom slajdu.
14:19
but they're a little different, which I've depicted on this slide.
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Ono što sada znamo, jeste da ako lečimo životinju
14:22
What we now know is that if we treat the animal with a pathogenic bacterium --
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sa patogenom bakterijom -- patogena bakterija otporna na spektar lekova --
14:26
a multi-drug-resistant pathogenic bacterium --
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14:28
in the same time we give our anti-quorum-sensing molecule,
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a u isto vreme joj dajemo naš anti-kvorumski molekul percepcije,
14:32
in fact, the animal lives.
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životinja će, ipak, preživeti.
14:34
And so we think that this is the next generation of antibiotics,
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Mislimo da je ovo nova generacija antibiotika,
14:38
and it's going to get us around, at least initially,
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i bar u početku ćemo uspeti da zaobiđemo
14:40
this big problem of resistance.
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ovaj veliki problem otpora.
14:42
What I hope you think is that bacteria can talk to each other,
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Nadam se da mislite da bakterije mogu da razgovaraju međusobno,
da koriste hemikalije kao reči,
14:46
they use chemicals as their words,
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14:48
they have an incredibly complicated chemical lexicon
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da imaju neverovatno komplikovan hemijski leksikon,
14:51
that we're just now starting to learn about.
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koji tek sada počinjemo da učimo.
Naravno, to omogućava bakterijama
14:54
Of course, what that allows bacteria to do is to be multicellular.
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da budu višećelijske.
14:58
So in the spirit of TED,
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I u duhu TED-a one zajedno rade stvari
15:00
they're doing things together because it makes a difference.
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jer to je ono što menja stvari.
Ono što se dešava jeste da bakterije imaju ova kolektivna ponašanja,
15:04
What happens is that bacteria have these collective behaviors,
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15:07
and they can carry out tasks
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i mogu da izvršavaju zadatke
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that they could never accomplish if they simply acted as individuals.
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koje nikada ne bi mogle da urade
kada bi delovale pojedinačno.
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What I would hope that I could further argue to you
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Ono, što se nadam, da mogu dalje da vas uverim,
jeste da je ovo višećelijski izum.
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is that this is the invention of multicellularity.
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Bacteria have been on the earth for billions of years;
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Bakterije su na Zemlji milijardama godina.
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humans, couple hundred thousand.
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Ljudi -- nekoliko stotina hiljada.
15:25
So we think bacteria made the rules for how multicellular organization works.
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Mi mislimo da su bakterije napravile pravila
za funkcionisanje višećelijske organizacije.
Mi mislimo, da ćemo proučavajući bakterije,
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And we think by studying bacteria,
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we're going to be able to have insight about multicellularity in the human body.
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moći da steknemo uvid u to kako višećelijsko funkcioniše u ljudskom telu.
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So we know that the principles and the rules,
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Znamo da principi i pravila,
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if we can figure them out in these sort of primitive organisms,
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ukoliko ih shvatimo kod ovih primitivnih organizama,
moći će, nadamo se, da se primene i
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the hope is that they will be applied
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na druge bolesti čoveka, kao i na ponašanje čoveka.
15:44
to other human diseases and human behaviors as well.
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Nadam se da je ono što ste naučili
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I hope that what you've learned
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is that bacteria can distinguish self from other.
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to da bakterija može da razlikuje sebe od drugih.
15:52
So by using these two molecules,
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Koristeći ova dva molekula, one mogu da kažu "ja" i mogu da kažu "ti".
15:53
they can say "me" and they can say "you."
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Opet, naravno, to je ono što i mi radimo
15:56
And again, of course, that's what we do,
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i na molekularnom nivou,
15:58
both in a molecular way, and also in an outward way,
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kao i na onom spoljašnjem, vidljivom nivou,
16:01
but I think about the molecular stuff.
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ali ja razmišljam o molekularnim stvarima.
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This is exactly what happens in your body.
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Ovo je upravo ono što se dešava u vašem telu.
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It's not like your heart cells and kidney cells get all mixed up every day,
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Nije kao da se ćelije vašeg srca i bubrega pomešaju svakog dana,
a to je sve zbog ove hemije,
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and that's because there's all of this chemistry going on,
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these molecules that say who each of these groups of cells is
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ovih molekula koji govore koja je tačno koja grupa ćelija,
i koji je njihov zadatak.
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and what their tasks should be.
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So again, we think bacteria invented that,
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Opet, mi mislimo da su bakterije to izmislile,
a vi ste samo evoluirali dalje,
16:20
and you've just evolved a few more bells and whistles,
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but all of the ideas are in these simple systems that we can study.
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ali sve ideje su u ovim jednostavnim sistemima koje možemo da proučavamo.
16:26
And the final thing is, just to reiterate that there's this practical part,
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Poslednja stvar je, da ponovim da postoji taj praktični deo,
16:30
and so we've made these anti-quorum-sensing molecules
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da smo napravili ove anti-kvorumske molekule percepcije
16:33
that are being developed as new kinds of therapeutics.
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koji se razvijaju kao nova vrsta lekova.
16:36
But then, to finish with a plug for all the good and miraculous bacteria
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Ali, da završim sa priključkom za sve dobre i čudesne bakterije
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that live on the earth,
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koje žive na Zemlji,
16:41
we've also made pro-quorum-sensing molecules.
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takođe smo napravili i pro-kvorumske molekule percepcije.
16:43
So we've targeted those systems to make the molecules work better.
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Ciljali smo na one sisteme zbog kojih će molekuli raditi bolje.
Setite se da imate 10 puta ili više bakterijskih ćelija
16:47
So remember, you have these 10 times or more bacterial cells
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in you or on you, keeping you healthy.
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u sebi ili na sebi, koje vas održavaju zdravima.
16:52
What we're also trying to do is to beef up the conversation
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Ono što takođe pokušavamo da uradimo, jeste da pojačamo razgovore
bakterija koje žive u zajednici sa vama,
16:56
of the bacteria that live as mutualists with you,
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16:58
in the hopes of making you more healthy,
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kako bismo vas učinili zdravijim,
poboljšavajući te razgovore,
17:01
making those conversations better,
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so bacteria can do things that we want them to do
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kako bi bakterije radile ono što mi hoćemo
17:05
better than they would be on their own.
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bolje nego što bi to one same uradile.
17:08
Finally, I wanted to show you --
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Na kraju, htela sam da vam pokažem
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this is my gang at Princeton, New Jersey.
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ovo je moje društvo na Prinstonu, Nju Džerzi.
Sve što sam vam ispirčala otkrio je neko ko se nalazi na toj slici.
17:13
Everything I told you about was discovered by someone in that picture.
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Nadam se da kada učite stvari,
17:17
And I hope when you learn things, like about how the natural world works --
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kao na primer o tome kako funkcioniše svet prirode --
17:20
I just want to say that whenever you read something in the newspaper
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hoću samo da kažem da kad god pročitate nešto u novinama
17:23
or you hear some talk about something ridiculous in the natural world,
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ili čujete nekog da priča o nečem smešnom u svetu prirode,
to je uradilo dete.
17:27
it was done by a child.
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17:28
So science is done by that demographic.
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Nauku stvara taj deo populacije.
Svi ti ljudi su između 20 i 30 godina starosti,
17:31
All of those people are between 20 and 30 years old,
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17:34
and they are the engine that drives scientific discovery in this country.
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i oni su motor koji pokreće naučna otkrića u ovoj zemlji.
To je veoma srećna populacija s kojom može da se radi.
17:39
And it's a really lucky demographic to work with.
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17:41
(Applause)
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Ja stalno starim i starim, a oni su uvek istih godina,
17:42
I keep getting older and older, and they're always the same age.
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i to je jedan ludo izvrstan posao.
17:45
And it's just a crazy, delightful job.
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17:47
And I want to thank you for inviting me here,
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Želim da vam se zahvalim što ste me pozvali ovde.
17:49
it's a big treat for me to get to come to this conference.
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Velika je poslastica za mene da budem na ovoj konferenciji.
17:52
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
17:57
Thanks.
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Hvala.
17:58
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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