Boyd Varty: What I learned from Nelson Mandela

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Translator: Nika Kotnik Reviewer: Klavdija Cernilogar
00:12
I'm a man who's trying to live from his heart,
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Sem človek, ki poskuša živeti s srcem na dlani,
00:16
and so just before I get going,
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tako da preden začnem,
00:19
I wanted to tell you as a South African
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vam želim povedati kot Južnoafričan,
00:21
that one of the men who has inspired me most
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da je eden izmed ljudi, ki so me najbolj navdihovali,
00:24
passed away a few hours ago.
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preminil pred nekaj urami.
00:27
Nelson Mandela has come to the end
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Nelson Mandela je prišel do konca
00:30
of his long walk to freedom.
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svoje dolge poti k svobodi.
00:33
And so this talk is going to be for him.
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Zato bo ta govor zanj.
00:40
I grew up in wonder.
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Odrasel sem v čudenju.
00:43
I grew up amongst those animals.
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Odrasel sem med temi živalmi.
00:47
I grew up in the wild eastern part of South Africa
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Odrasel sem v divjem vzhodnem delu Južne Afrike
00:51
at a place called Londolozi Game Reserve.
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v kraju imenovanem Rezervat divjine Londolozi.
00:54
It's a place where my family has been
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To je kraj, kjer je moja družina
00:57
in the safari business for four generations.
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v poslu safarijev že štiri generacije.
01:01
Now for as long as I can remember,
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Že odkar pomnim,
01:03
my job has been to take people out into nature,
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je moja naloga odpeljati ljudi v naravo
01:08
and so I think it's a lovely twist of fate today
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in mislim, da je to lep obrat usode
01:11
to have the opportunity
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da imam priložnost,
01:13
to bring some of my experiences out in nature
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da prinesem nekaj svojih izkušenj iz narave
01:16
in to this gathering.
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v tole srečanje.
01:18
Africa is a place
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Afrika je kraj,
01:20
where people still sit under starlit skies
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kjer ljudje še zmeraj sedijo pod zvezdnim nebom
01:23
and around campfires and tell stories,
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in okrog ognja in si pripovedujejo zgodbe,
01:27
and so what I have to share with you today
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in kar bom danes delil z vami,
01:29
is the simple medicine of a few campfire stories,
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je preprosto zdravilo, nekaj tabornih zgodb,
01:34
stories about heroes of heart.
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zgodb o herojih srca.
01:37
Now my stories are not the stories
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Moje zgodbe niso zgodbe,
01:39
that you'll hear on the news,
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ki jih slišite v novicah,
01:41
and while it's true that Africa is a harsh place,
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in medtem ko je res, da je Afrika grob kraj,
01:44
I also know it to be a place
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jaz prav tako vem, da je kraj,
01:46
where people, animals and ecosystems
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kjer nas ljudje, živali in ekosistemi
01:50
teach us about a more interconnected world.
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učijo o bolj med seboj povezanem svetu.
01:54
When I was nine years old,
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Ko sem bil star devet let,
01:56
President Mandela came to stay with my family.
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je predsednik Mandela prišel živet k moji družini.
01:59
He had just been released from his 27 years of incarceration,
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Bil je ravno izpuščen po 27 letih zapora
02:03
and was in a period of readjustment
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in se je ravno privajal
02:06
to his sudden global icon status.
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na svoj nenadni status globalne ikone.
02:08
Members of the African National Congress
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Člani Afriškega Nacionalnega Kongresa
02:11
thought that in the bush
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so menili, da bo v divjini
02:13
he would have time to rest and recuperate
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imel čas za počitek in okrevanje,
02:15
away from the public eye,
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proč od oči javnosti
02:17
and it's true that lions tend to be
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in res je, da so levi
02:20
a very good deterrent to press and paparazzi.
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zelo dobra obramba pred tiskom in paparaci.
02:24
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:26
But it was a defining time for me as a young boy.
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To je bil odločilen čas zame kot mladega fanta.
02:29
I would take him breakfast in bed,
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Prinesel sem mu zajtrk v posteljo,
02:31
and then, in an old track suit and slippers,
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in potem, v stari trenirki in natikačih,
02:33
he would go for a walk around the garden.
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je šel na sprehod po vrtu.
02:36
At night, I would sit with my family
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Zvečer sem sedel z družino
02:38
around the snowy, bunny-eared TV,
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okrog snežnega televizorja z zajčjimi ušesi
02:40
and watch images of that same
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in gledal slike tega istega
02:43
quiet man from the garden
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tihega moža z vrta,
02:45
surrounded by hundreds and thousands of people
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obdanega z na stotine in tisoče ljudi,
02:48
as scenes from his release were broadcast nightly.
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saj so prizore njegovega izpusta predvajali vsako noč.
02:51
He was bringing peace
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Prinašal je mir
02:53
to a divided and violent South Africa,
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v razdvojeno in nasilno Južno Afriko,
02:56
one man with an unbelievable sense of his humanity.
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en moški z neverjetnim občutkom za človečnost.
03:01
Mandela said often that the gift of prison
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Mandela je pogosto dejal, da je bilo darilo zapora
03:04
was the ability to go within and to think,
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zmožnost iti vase in razmišljati,
03:07
to create in himself
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ustvarjati v sebi
03:08
the things he most wanted for South Africa:
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stvari, ki si jih je najbolj želel za južno Afriko
03:11
peace, reconciliation, harmony.
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mir, spravo, harmonijo.
03:15
Through this act of immense open-heartedness,
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Skozi svoja neizmerna dejanja odprtega srca,
03:17
he was to become the embodiment
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je postal poosebljenje
03:20
of what in South Africa we call "ubuntu."
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tistega, čemur v Južni Afriki pravimo "ubuntu".
03:23
Ubuntu: I am because of you.
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Ubuntu: Jaz obstajam zaradi tebe.
03:26
Or, people are not people
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Ali, ljudje niso ljudje
03:29
without other people.
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brez drugih ljudi.
03:31
It's not a new idea or value
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To ni nova ideja ali vrednota,
03:33
but it's one that I certainly think at these times
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ampak je tista, na kateri je v teh časih
03:35
is worth building on.
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vredno graditi.
03:37
In fact, it is said that in the collective consciousness of Africa,
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Pravzaprav naj bi v kolektivni zavesti Afrike
03:40
we get to experience the deepest parts
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izkusili najgloblje dele
03:42
of our own humanity
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svoje lastne človečnosti
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through our interactions with others.
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skozi naše interakcije z drugimi.
03:46
Ubuntu is at play right now.
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Ubuntu se dogaja prav zdaj.
03:48
You are holding a space for me
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Zame imate poseben prostor,
03:50
to express the deepest truth of who I am.
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da izrazim najglobljo resnico o tem, kdo sem.
03:54
Without you, I'm just a guy talking to an empty room,
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Brez vas sem samo tip, ki govori prazni sobi,
03:56
and I spent a lot of time last week doing that,
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in prejšnji teden sem to pogosto počel,
03:59
and it's not the same as this.
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in ni enako kot tole.
04:02
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:05
If Mandela was the national and international embodiment,
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Če je bil Mandela nacionalna in mednarodna poosebitev,
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then the man who taught me the most
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je moški, ki me je naučil največ
04:10
about this value personally was this man,
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o tej vrednoti osebno,
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Solly Mhlongo.
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Solly Mhlongo.
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Solly was born under a tree
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Solly se je rodil pod drevesom,
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60 kilometers from where I grew up in Mozambique.
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60 km stran od mojega doma v Mozambiku.
04:18
He would never have a lot of money,
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Nikoli ni imel veliko denarja,
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but he was to be
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a postal je
04:21
one of the richest men I would ever meet.
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eden najbogatejših ljudi, kar sem jih srečal.
04:24
Solly grew up tending to his father's cattle.
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Solly je med odraščanjem skrbel za očetovo živino.
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Now, I can tell you, I don't know what it is about people who grow up looking after cattle,
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Povem vam, ne vem, kaj je z ljudmi, ki med odraščanjem skrbijo za živino,
04:31
but it makes for über-resourcefulness.
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ampak postanejo neverjetno iznajdljivi.
04:34
The first job that he ever got in the safari business
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Prva služba, ki jo je dobil v poslu safarijev,
04:36
was fixing the safari trucks.
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je bila popravljanje tovornjakov za safari.
04:39
Where he had learned to do that out in the bush
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Kje v divjini se je tega naučil, ne vem,
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I have no idea, but he could do it.
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a to je znal početi.
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He then moved across into what we called
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Nato se premaknil v nekaj, čemur pravimo
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the habitat team.
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ekipa habitata.
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These were the people on the reserve
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To so ljudje v rezervatu,
04:49
who were responsible for its well-being.
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ki so odgovorni za njegovo dobro stanje.
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He fixed roads, he mended wetlands,
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Popravljal je ceste, skrbel za mokrišča,
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he did some anti-poaching.
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boril se je proti krivolovu.
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And then one day we were out together,
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Nekega dne, ko sva bila skupaj zunaj,
04:57
and he came across the tracks of where a female leopard had walked.
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je naletel na sledi, kjer je hodila samica leoparda.
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And it was an old track,
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In bila je stara sled,
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but for fun he turned and he began to follow it,
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ampak za zabavo se je obrnil in ji začel slediti,
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and I tell you, I could tell by the speed
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in glede na hitrost premikanja
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at which he moved on those pad marks
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po teh sledeh, sem vedel,
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that this man was a Ph.D.-level tracker.
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da je ta človek diplomiran sledilec.
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If you drove past Solly
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Če si se peljal mimo Solly-a,
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somewhere out on the reserve,
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nekje v rezervatu,
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you look up in your rearview mirror,
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in pogledal v vzvratno ogledalo,
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you'd see he'd stopped the car
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si ga videl, kako je ustavil avto
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20, 50 meters down the road
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20, 50 metrov stran,
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just in case you need help with something.
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če bi slučajno potreboval pomoč.
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The only accusation I ever heard leveled at him
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Edina obtožba, ki je kdajkoli letela nanj,
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was when one of our clients said,
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je bila, ko je naših strank dejala,
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"Solly, you are pathologically helpful."
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"Solly, ti si patološko ustrežljiv."
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:34
When I started professionally guiding people
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Ko sem začel profesionalno voditi ljudi
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out into this environment,
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v to okolje,
05:38
Solly was my tracker.
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je bil Solly moj sledilec.
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We worked together as a team.
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Skupaj sva delala kot ekipa.
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And the first guests we ever got
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In prvi gosti, ki sva jih imela,
05:44
were a philanthropy group from your East Coast,
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so bili skupina dobrodelnikov z vaše Vzhode obale,
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and they said to Solly, on the side, they said,
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in rekli so Sollyu,
05:49
"Before we even go out to see lions and leopards,
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"Preden sploh gremo pogledat leve in leoparde,
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we want to see where you live."
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želimo videti, kje živiš."
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So we took them up to his house,
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Peljala sva jih do njegove hiše
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and this visit of the philanthropist to his house
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in ta obisk dobrodelnikov
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coincided with a time when Solly's wife,
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je sovpadal z obdobjem, ko je bila Sollyeva žena,
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who was learning English,
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ki se je učila angleško,
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was going through a phase where she would open the door
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v fazi, da je odprla vrata
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by saying, "Hello, I love you.
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z vzklikom, "Pozdravljen, rada te imam.
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Welcome, I love you." (Laughter)
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Dobrodošel, rada te imam." (Smeh)
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And there was something so beautifully African
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In v tem je bilo nekaj tako čudovito afriškega
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about it to me, this small house
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zame, ta mala hiša
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with a huge heart in it.
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z velikim srcem.
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Now on the day that Solly saved my life,
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Na dan, ko mi je Solly rešil življenje,
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he was already my hero.
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je bil že moj heroj.
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It was a hot day,
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Bil je vroč dan
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and we found ourselves down by the river.
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in znašla sva se ob reki.
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Because of the heat, I took my shoes off,
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Zaradi vročine sem si sezul čevlje,
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and I rolled up my pants,
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zavihal hlačnice
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and I walked into the water.
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in zakorakal v vodo.
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Solly remained on the bank.
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Solly je ostal na bregu.
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The water was clear running over sand,
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Voda je bila čista, tekla je nad peskom
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and we turned and we began to make our way upstream.
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in obrnila sva se in začela hoditi proti toku.
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And a few meters ahead of us,
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Nekaj metrov pred nama
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there was a place where a tree had fallen out of the bank,
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je bil kraj, kjer je drevo padlo z brega,
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and its branches were touching the water,
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in njegove veje so se dotikale vode
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and it was shadowy.
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in bilo je senčno.
06:52
And if had been a horror movie,
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In če bi to bila grozljivka,
06:55
people in the audience would have started saying,
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bi ljudje v občinstvu dejali,
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"Don't go in there. Don't go in there." (Laughter)
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"Ne pojdi tja. Ne pojdi tja." (Smeh)
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And of course, the crocodile was in the shadows.
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In seveda, v senci je bil krokodil.
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Now the first thing that you notice when a crocodile hits you
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Prva stvar, ki jo opaziš pri njegovem napadu
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is the ferocity of the bite.
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je silovitost ugriza.
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Wham! It hits me by my right leg.
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Bam! Ugrizne me naravnost v desno nogo.
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It pulls me. It turns. I throw my hand up. I'm able to grab a branch.
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Povleče me. Obrne se. Iztegnem roko. Uspe mi zagrabiti vejo.
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It's shaking me violently.
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Divje me trese.
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It's a very strange sensation
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Zelo čuden občutek je,
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having another creature try and eat you,
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ko te hoče neko drugo bitje pojesti,
07:19
and there are few things that promote vegetarianism like that.
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in malo je stvari, ki tako dobro promovirajo vegetarijanstvo.
07:23
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:24
Solly on the bank sees that I'm in trouble.
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Solly na bregu vidi, da sem v težavah.
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He turns. He begins to make his way to me.
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Obrne se. Odpravi se proti meni.
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The croc again continues to shake me.
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Krokodil me še zmeraj trese.
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It goes to bite me a second time.
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Hoče me še enkrat ugrizniti.
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I notice a slick of blood in the water around me
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Opazim madež krvi v vodi okoli mene,
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that gets washed downstream.
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ki teče po reki.
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As it bites the second time, I kick.
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Ko me drugič ugrizne, brcnem.
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My foot goes down its throat. It spits me out.
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Moja noga gre v njegovo grlo. Izpljune me.
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I pull myself up into the branches,
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Potegnem se med veje
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and as I come out of the water, I look over my shoulder.
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in ko pridem iz vode, pogledam čez ramo.
07:47
My leg from the knee down
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Moja noga je od kolena navzdol
07:49
is mangled beyond description.
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razmesarjena prek besed.
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The bone is cracked.
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Kost je polomljena.
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The meat is torn up.
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Meso raztrgano.
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I make an instant decision that I'll never look at that again.
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Takoj se odločim, da tega ne pogledam nikoli več.
07:59
As I come out of the water,
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Ko pridem vem iz vode,
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Solly arrives at a deep section,
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Solly prispe do globokega dela,
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a channel between us.
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kanala med nama.
08:05
He knows, he sees the state of my leg,
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Ve, vidi stanje moje noge,
08:07
he knows that between him and I
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ve, da je med nama
08:09
there is a crocodile,
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krokodil.
08:10
and I can tell you this man doesn't slow down for one second.
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Povem vam, ta človek se ne ustavi niti za sekundo.
08:13
He comes straight into the channel.
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Naravnost v kanal gre.
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He wades in to above his waist.
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Zabrede noter čez pas.
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He gets to me. He grabs me.
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Pride do mene. Zgrabi me.
08:18
I'm still in a vulnerable position.
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Še vedno sem v ranljivem položaju.
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He picks me and puts me on his shoulder.
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Pobere me in si me vrže na ramo.
08:21
This is the other thing about Solly, he's freakishly strong.
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Še ena stvar glede Sollya, neznansko je močan.
08:24
He turns. He walks me up the bank.
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Obrne se. Ponese me po bregu.
08:26
He lays me down. He pulls his shirt off.
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Položi me dol. Potegne si dol srajco.
08:28
He wraps it around my leg,
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Ovije jo okrog moje noge,
08:30
picks me up a second time,
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in me spet pobere,
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walks me to a vehicle,
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me ponese do vozila
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and he's able to get me to medical attention.
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in priskrbi zdravniško pomoč.
08:37
And I survive.
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In preživim.
08:40
Now — (Applause)
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Sedaj-- (Aplavz)
08:44
Now I don't know how many people you know
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,Ne vem, koliko ljudi poznate,
08:47
that go into a deep channel of water
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ki gredo v globoko vodo,
08:49
that they know has a crocodile in it
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vedoč, da je v njej krokodil,
08:51
to come and help you,
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da bi vam pomagali,
08:53
but for Solly, it was as natural as breathing.
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a za Sollya je bilo to tako naravno kot dihanje.
08:56
And he is one amazing example
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In on je samo en neverjeten primer
08:59
of what I have experienced all over Africa.
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tega, kar sem doživel po vsej Afriki.
09:02
In a more collective society,
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V bolj povezani družbi
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we realize from the inside
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spoznamo od znotraj,
09:07
that our own well-being is deeply tied
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da je naše dobro počutje globoko povezano
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to the well-being of others.
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z dobrim počutjem drugih.
09:13
Danger is shared. Pain is shared.
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Nevarnost se deli. Bolečina se deli.
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Joy is shared. Achievement is shared.
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Radost se deli. Dosežki se delijo.
09:20
Houses are shared. Food is shared.
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Hiše se delijo. Hrana se deli.
09:24
Ubuntu asks us to open our hearts
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Ubuntu nas prosi, naj odpremo svoja srca
09:27
and to share,
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in delimo,
09:29
and what Solly taught me that day
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in kar me je Solly naučil tistega dne,
09:31
is the essence of this value,
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je bistvo njegove vrednosti,
09:33
his animated, empathetic action
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njegove animirane, empatične akcije
09:36
in every moment.
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v vsakem trenutku.
09:38
Now although the root word is about people,
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Ker koren besede zadeva ljudi,
09:41
I thought that maybe ubuntu was only about people.
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sem mislil, da Ubuntu velja samo za ljudi.
09:44
And then I met this young lady.
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In potem sem spoznal to mlado damo.
09:48
Her name was Elvis.
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ime ji je Elvis.
09:49
In fact, Solly gave her the name Elvis
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Solly jo je poimenoval Elvis,
09:51
because he said she walked like she was doing
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ker je rekel, da hodi, kot da bi
09:54
the Elvis the pelvis dance.
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plesala kot Elvis.
09:57
She was born with very badly deformed back legs and pelvis.
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Rodila se je z zelo deformiranima zadnjima nogama in medenico.
10:01
She arrived at our reserve from a reserve
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Prispela je k nam iz rezervata
10:03
east of us on her migratory route.
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vzhodno od nas na njeni poti.
10:05
When I first saw her,
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Ko sem jo prvič videl,
10:07
I thought she would be dead in a matter of days.
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sem pomislil, da bo umrla v nekaj dneh.
10:10
And yet, for the next five years
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Ampak naslednjih 5 let
10:13
she returned in the winter months.
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se je vračala v zimskih mesecih.
10:15
And we would be so excited to be out in the bush
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In bili smo tako vznemirjeni, ko smo bili v divjini
10:17
and to come across this unusual track.
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in naleteli na to nenavadno sled.
10:20
It looked like an inverted bracket,
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Izgledala je kot narobe obrnjen oklepaj
10:21
and we would drop whatever we were doing and we would follow,
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in spustili smo vse iz rok in ji sledili
10:24
and then we would come around the corner,
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in potem smo prišli izza ovinka
10:26
and there she would be with her herd.
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in bila je tam s svojo čredo.
10:28
And that outpouring of emotion
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In izbruh čustev
10:30
from people on our safari trucks
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ljudi v naših safari tovornjakih,
10:32
as they saw her, it was this sense of kinship.
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ko so jo videli, je dal občutek povezanosti.
10:35
And it reminded me
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In opomnila me je,
10:37
that even people who grow up in cities
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da celo ljudje, ki so odrasli v mestih,
10:39
feel a natural connection
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čutijo naravno povezavo
10:42
with the natural world and with animals.
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s svetom narave in z živalmi.
10:45
And yet still I remained amazed that she was surviving.
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A še zmeraj sem bil osupel, da je preživela.
10:48
And then one day we came across them at this small water hole.
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In nekega dne smo jih srečali v neki mali luknji z vodo.
10:51
It was sort of a hollow in the ground.
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Bila je nekakšna vdolbina v tleh.
10:53
And I watched as the matriarch drank,
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Gledal sem, kako je matriarhinja pila
10:56
and then she turned in that beautiful slow motion of elephants,
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in se potem obrnila v tistem prelepem počasnem gibanju slonov,
10:59
looks like the arm in motion,
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ki izgleda kot roka v gibanju,
11:01
and she began to make her way up the steep bank.
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ter si začela utirati pot po strmem bregu.
11:04
The rest of the herd turned and began to follow.
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Ostali del črede se je obrnil in ji sledil.
11:08
And I watched young Elvis
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Gledal sem mlado Elvis,
11:10
begin to psych herself up for the hill.
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kako se je začela vzpenjati po hribu.
11:13
She got visibly -- ears came forward,
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Vidno se je trudila--ušesa je dala naprej,
11:17
she had a full go of it and halfway up,
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dobro ji je šlo in na pol poti
11:19
her legs gave way, and she fell backwards.
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so se njene noge vdale in padla je nazaj.
11:21
She attempted it a second time,
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Poskusila je znova
11:23
and again, halfway up, she fell backwards.
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in spet so se njene noge vdale na pol poti.
11:26
And on the third attempt,
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V tretjem poskusu
11:28
an amazing thing happened.
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se je zgodilo nekaj neverjetnega.
11:30
Halfway up the bank,
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Na pol poti po bregu
11:32
a young teenage elephant came in behind her,
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se je za njo postavil mlad najstniški slon,
11:35
and he propped his trunk underneath her,
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jo spodaj podprl z rilcem
11:38
and he began to shovel her up the bank.
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in jo začel potiskati po bregu.
11:41
And it occurred to me
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Spoznal sem,
11:42
that the rest of the herd
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da ostali člani črede
11:44
was in fact looking after this young elephant.
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pravzaprav skrbijo za to mlado slonico.
11:46
The next day I watched again
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Naslednji dan sem spet opazoval,
11:49
as the matriarch broke a branch
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ko je matriarhinja odlomila vejo
11:51
and she would put it in her mouth,
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in jo dala v usta,
11:53
and then she would break a second one
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nato odlomila še eno
11:55
and drop it on the ground.
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in jo spustila na tla.
11:58
And a consensus developed between all of us
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Med vodiči na tem območju
12:00
who were guiding people in that area
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se je razvilo splošno mnenje,
12:02
that that herd was in fact moving slower
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da se ta čreda premika počasneje,
12:05
to accommodate that elephant.
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da se prilagodi tej slonici.
12:09
What Elvis and the herd taught me
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Elvis in njena čreda so me naučili,
12:11
caused me to expand my definition of ubuntu,
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da sem razširil svoje razumevanje ubuntuja,
12:14
and I believe that in the cathedral of the wild,
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in verjamem, da v katedrali divjine
12:17
we get to see the most beautiful parts of ourselves
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vidimo naše najlepše dele,
12:19
reflected back at us.
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kako se zrcalijo nazaj v nas.
12:21
And it is not only through other people
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Ne izkusimo naše človeškosti
12:25
that we get to experience our humanity
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samo skozi druge ljudi,
12:28
but through all the creatures that live on this planet.
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ampak skozi vsa živa bitja, ki živijo na tem planetu.
12:32
If Africa has a gift to share,
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Če ima Afrika darilo, ki ga lahko deli,
12:34
it's a gift of a more collective society.
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je to darilo bolj povezane družbe.
12:38
And while it's true that ubuntu is an African idea,
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In čeprav je ubuntu afriška ideja,
12:42
what I see is the essence of that value
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vidim, da bistvo te ideje
12:47
being invented here.
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nastaja tu.
12:49
Thank you.
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Hvala.
12:51
(Applause)
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(Aplavz)
13:16
Pat Mitchell: So Boyd,
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Pat Mitchell: Torej, Boyd,
13:17
we know that you knew President Mandela
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vemo, da si predsednika Mandelo poznal
13:22
from early childhood
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od zgodnjega otroštva
13:24
and that you heard the news as we all did today,
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in da si novico slišal danes, tako kot mi vsi tu
13:27
and deeply distraught
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in si globoko pretresen,
13:30
and know the tragic loss that it is to the world.
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vemo, kakšna tragična izguba je to za svet.
13:34
But I just wondered if you wanted
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Ampak zanima me samo, če si želel
13:36
to share any additional thoughts,
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deliti kakšno dodatno misel,
13:38
because we know that you heard that news
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ker vemo, da si slišal novico,
13:40
just before coming in to do this session.
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tik preden si prišel sem na to seanso.
13:44
Boyd Varty: Well thanks, Pat.
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Boyd Varty: Hvala, Pat.
13:45
I'm so happy because it was time for him to pass on.
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Zelo sem vesel, ker je prišel njegov čas.
13:48
He was suffering.
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Trpel je.
13:50
And so of course there's the mixed emotions.
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In seveda so tu mešani občutki.
13:53
But I just think of so many occurrences
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Ampak spomnim se toliko različnih stvari,
13:55
like the time he went on the Oprah show
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na primer takrat, ko je odšel na Oprah show
13:57
and asked her what the show would be about.
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in jo vprašal, o čem bo oddaja govorila.
14:00
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:01
And she was like, "Well, it'll be about you."
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In rekla je,"No, o tebi bo govorila."
14:05
I mean, that's just incredible humility.
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Mislim, ta neverjetna skromnost.
14:07
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:11
He was the father of our nation
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Bil je oče našega naroda
14:14
and we've got a road to walk in South Africa.
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in imamo pot, ki ji moramo v Južni Afriki slediti.
14:21
And everything, they used to call it Madiba magic.
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Vsemu temu skupaj so rekli Madiba čarovnija.
14:24
You know, he used to go to a rugby match and we would win.
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Veste, šel je gledat tekmo ragbija in smo zmagali.
14:27
Anywhere he went, things went well.
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Kamorkoli je šel, so se stvari dobro odvile.
14:30
But I think that magic will be with us,
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Ampak mislim, da bo ta čarovnija z nami,
14:33
and the important thing is that we carry
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in pomembno je, da prenašamo naprej tisto,
14:36
what he stood for.
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kar je zagovarjal.
14:38
And so that's what I'm going to try and do,
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To je tisto, kar bom poskušal storiti
14:41
and that's what people all over South Africa are trying to do.
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in to poskušajo storiti ljudje po vsej Južni Afriki.
14:44
PM: And that's what you've done today. BV: Oh, thank you.
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PM: In to si storil danes. BV: Oh, hvala vam.
14:46
PM: Thank you. BV: Thank you. Thanks very much.
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PM: Hvala. BV: Hvala. Najlepša hvala.
14:50
(Applause)
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(Aplavz)
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