Boyd Varty: What I learned from Nelson Mandela

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Translator: Jayson Ford Reviewer: Ingrid Lezar
00:12
I'm a man who's trying to live from his heart,
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Ek's ’n man wat uit sy hart uit probeer lewe,
00:16
and so just before I get going,
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so net voor ek begin,
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I wanted to tell you as a South African
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wou ek julle vertel, as ’n Suid-Afrikaaner,
00:21
that one of the men who has inspired me most
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dat een van die mans wat my die meeste geïnspireer het
00:24
passed away a few hours ago.
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’n paar uur gelede oorlede is.
00:27
Nelson Mandela has come to the end
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Nelson Mandela het die einde
00:30
of his long walk to freedom.
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van sy "long walk to freedom" bereik.
00:33
And so this talk is going to be for him.
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So hierdie praatjie is vir hom.
00:40
I grew up in wonder.
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Ek't in verwondering grootgeword,
00:43
I grew up amongst those animals.
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tussen daardie diere,
00:47
I grew up in the wild eastern part of South Africa
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in die wilde oostelike deel van Suid-Afrika,
00:51
at a place called Londolozi Game Reserve.
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op ’n plek genaamd Londolozi Wildreservaat.
00:54
It's a place where my family has been
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Dis waar my familie
00:57
in the safari business for four generations.
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al vir vier generasies in die safari-bedryf is.
01:01
Now for as long as I can remember,
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Vir so lank as wat ek kan onthou,
01:03
my job has been to take people out into nature,
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was dit my werk om mense in die natuur uit te neem,
01:08
and so I think it's a lovely twist of fate today
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so dit was seker my voorland
01:11
to have the opportunity
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om die geleentheid te hê
01:13
to bring some of my experiences out in nature
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om van my natuurervarings daar buite
01:16
in to this gathering.
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in hierdie byeenkoms in te bring.
01:18
Africa is a place
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Afrika is ’n plek
01:20
where people still sit under starlit skies
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waar mense nog onder die sterre sit
01:23
and around campfires and tell stories,
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en om kampvure stories vertel.
01:27
and so what I have to share with you today
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So wat ek vandag met julle deel
01:29
is the simple medicine of a few campfire stories,
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is die eenvoudige medisyne van ’n paar kampvuurstories,
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stories about heroes of heart.
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stories oor helde van die hart.
01:37
Now my stories are not the stories
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My stories is nie die stories
01:39
that you'll hear on the news,
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wat julle op die nuus sal hoor nie.
01:41
and while it's true that Africa is a harsh place,
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Dis waar dat Afrika ’n harde plek is,
01:44
I also know it to be a place
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maar ek weet ook
01:46
where people, animals and ecosystems
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dat Afrika se mense, diere en ekosisteme
01:50
teach us about a more interconnected world.
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ons kan leer oor ’n wedersyds verbonde wêreld.
01:54
When I was nine years old,
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Toe ek nege jaar oud was,
01:56
President Mandela came to stay with my family.
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het President Mandela by my gesin kom bly.
01:59
He had just been released from his 27 years of incarceration,
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Hy was pas vrygelaat na 27 jaar in aanhouding,
02:03
and was in a period of readjustment
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en dit was ’n tyd van aanpassing
02:06
to his sudden global icon status.
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tot sy skielike status as globale ikoon.
02:08
Members of the African National Congress
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Lede van die ANC
02:11
thought that in the bush
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het gedink dat hy in die bos
02:13
he would have time to rest and recuperate
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tyd sou hê om te rus en herstel,
02:15
away from the public eye,
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uit die publieke oog,
02:17
and it's true that lions tend to be
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en dis waar dat leeus geneig is om
02:20
a very good deterrent to press and paparazzi.
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’n baie goeie afskrikmiddel vir die pers en paparazzi te wees.
02:24
(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
02:26
But it was a defining time for me as a young boy.
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Maar dit was ’n bepalende tyd vir my as ’n jong seun.
02:29
I would take him breakfast in bed,
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Ek't vir hom ontbyt in die bed geneem;
02:31
and then, in an old track suit and slippers,
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daarna, in ’n ou sweetpak en pantoffels,
02:33
he would go for a walk around the garden.
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het hy in die tuin gaan wandel.
02:36
At night, I would sit with my family
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Saans het ek met my familie gesit
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around the snowy, bunny-eared TV,
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om die haasoorantenna-TV, vol sneeu, en gekyk na beelde
02:40
and watch images of that same
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van dieselfde stil man in die tuin
02:43
quiet man from the garden
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surrounded by hundreds and thousands of people
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omring deur groot skares,
02:48
as scenes from his release were broadcast nightly.
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soos tonele van sy vrylating elke aand uitgesaai is.
02:51
He was bringing peace
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Hy was besig om vrede te bring
02:53
to a divided and violent South Africa,
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na ’n verdeelde en onstuimige Suid-Afrika,
02:56
one man with an unbelievable sense of his humanity.
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een man met ’n ongelooflike sin vir sy menslikheid.
03:01
Mandela said often that the gift of prison
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Mandela het dikwels gesê
dat sy vonnis hom die vermoë gegee het
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was the ability to go within and to think,
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om na binne te keer en te dink,
03:07
to create in himself
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om binne-in homself
03:08
the things he most wanted for South Africa:
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die dinge wat hy vir Suid -Afrika begeer het, te skep:
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peace, reconciliation, harmony.
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vrede, versoening, harmonie.
03:15
Through this act of immense open-heartedness,
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Deur hierdie daad van ontsaglike openhartigheid
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he was to become the embodiment
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het hy gestalte gegee aan
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of what in South Africa we call "ubuntu."
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wat ons in Suid-Afrika "ubuntu" noem.
03:23
Ubuntu: I am because of you.
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Ubuntu: Ek is, deur jou.
03:26
Or, people are not people
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Of, mense is nie mense
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without other people.
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sonder ander mense nie.
03:31
It's not a new idea or value
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Dis nie ’n nuwe idee of waarde nie,
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but it's one that I certainly think at these times
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maar dit is een waarop ons in hierdie tye
03:35
is worth building on.
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beslis kan bou.
03:37
In fact, it is said that in the collective consciousness of Africa,
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Daar word selfs gesê dat in die kollektiewe bewussyn van Afrika,
03:40
we get to experience the deepest parts
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ons die diepste dele ervaar
03:42
of our own humanity
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van ons eie menslikheid
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through our interactions with others.
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deur ons interaksies met ander.
03:46
Ubuntu is at play right now.
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Ubuntu is nou in hierdie kamer.
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You are holding a space for me
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Julle skep ’n ruimte vir my
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to express the deepest truth of who I am.
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om die diepste waarheid van wie ek is, uit te druk.
03:54
Without you, I'm just a guy talking to an empty room,
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Sonder julle is ek net ’n man wat praat met ’n leë kamer,
03:56
and I spent a lot of time last week doing that,
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en ek't verlede week baie tyd daaraan spandeer,
03:59
and it's not the same as this.
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en dis niks soos dié nie.
04:02
(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
04:05
If Mandela was the national and international embodiment,
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As Mandela die nasionale en internasionale ubuntu-vergestalting was,
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then the man who taught me the most
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dan is die man wat my persoonlik die meeste oor die waarde geleer het
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about this value personally was this man,
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04:12
Solly Mhlongo.
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dié man, Solly Mhlongo.
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Solly was born under a tree
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Solly is onder ’n boom gebore
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60 kilometers from where I grew up in Mozambique.
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60 kilometer van waar ek grootgeword het in Mosambiek.
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He would never have a lot of money,
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Hy sou nooit baie geld hê nie,
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but he was to be
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maar hy was een van die rykste mans wat ek ooit ontmoet het.
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one of the richest men I would ever meet.
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04:24
Solly grew up tending to his father's cattle.
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Solly het as kind sy pa se beeste opgepas.
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Now, I can tell you, I don't know what it is about people who grow up looking after cattle,
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Ek weet nie wat dit is aan mense wat grootword met vee-oppas nie,
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but it makes for über-resourcefulness.
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maar dit maak vir über-vindingrykheid.
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The first job that he ever got in the safari business
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Sy eerste werk in die safari-bedryf
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was fixing the safari trucks.
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was om safari-bakkies te herstel.
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Where he had learned to do that out in the bush
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Ek weet nie waar in die bos hy dit geleer het nie,
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I have no idea, but he could do it.
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maar hy kon dit doen.
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He then moved across into what we called
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Toe het hy oorbeweeg
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the habitat team.
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na wat ons die habitatspan noem.
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These were the people on the reserve
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Dié mense is verantwoordelik
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who were responsible for its well-being.
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vir die reservaat se instandhouding.
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He fixed roads, he mended wetlands,
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Hy het paaie herstel, hy het vleilande heelgemaak,
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he did some anti-poaching.
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hy het wildstroping bekamp.
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And then one day we were out together,
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En toe was ons eendag saam uit,
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and he came across the tracks of where a female leopard had walked.
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en hy't afgekom op ’n luiperdwyfie se spoor.
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And it was an old track,
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Dit was ’n ou spoor,
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but for fun he turned and he began to follow it,
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maar net vir die pret het hy dit begin volg,
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and I tell you, I could tell by the speed
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en ek sê vir julle, om met sulke spoed
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at which he moved on those pad marks
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’n spoor te volg
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that this man was a Ph.D.-level tracker.
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maak die man ’n professor in spoorsny.
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If you drove past Solly
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As jy verby Solly gery het,
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somewhere out on the reserve,
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iewers op die reservaat,
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you look up in your rearview mirror,
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en in jou truspieël gekyk het,
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you'd see he'd stopped the car
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sou jy sy motor sien stilhou,
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20, 50 meters down the road
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20, 50 meter af in die pad,
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just in case you need help with something.
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net ingeval jy hulp met iets nodig gehad het.
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The only accusation I ever heard leveled at him
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Die enigste ding waarvan hy ooit beskuldig is,
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was when one of our clients said,
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is toe een van ons kliënte gesê het,
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"Solly, you are pathologically helpful."
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"Solly, jy is amper té behulpsaam."
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(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
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When I started professionally guiding people
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Toe ek ’n professionele gids geword het,
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out into this environment,
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om mense in die natuur in te neem,
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Solly was my tracker.
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was Solly my spoorsnyer.
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We worked together as a team.
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Ons het saamgewerk as ’n span.
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And the first guests we ever got
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Die eerste gaste wat ons ooit ontvang het
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were a philanthropy group from your East Coast,
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was 'n filantropiese groep van die VSA se ooskus.
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and they said to Solly, on the side, they said,
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Hulle het vir Solly gesê, so eenkant:
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"Before we even go out to see lions and leopards,
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"Voor ons uitgaan om leeus en luiperds te sien,
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we want to see where you live."
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wil ons sien waar jy woon."
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So we took them up to his house,
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So toe vat ons hulle na sy huis toe,
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and this visit of the philanthropist to his house
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en die besoek was toe op ’n tyd
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coincided with a time when Solly's wife,
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toe Solly se vrou,
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who was learning English,
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wat besig was om Engels te leer,
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was going through a phase where she would open the door
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deur ’n fase gegaan het, waar sy altyd die deur oopmaak
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by saying, "Hello, I love you.
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en sê: "Hello, I love you.
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Welcome, I love you." (Laughter)
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Welcome, I love you." (Gelag)
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And there was something so beautifully African
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En dit was so pragtig en eg aan Afrika:
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about it to me, this small house
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die klein huisie
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with a huge heart in it.
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met die groot hart daarin.
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Now on the day that Solly saved my life,
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Die dag wat Solly my lewe gered het,
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he was already my hero.
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was hy alreeds my held.
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It was a hot day,
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Dit was ’n warm dag,
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and we found ourselves down by the river.
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en ons was onder by die rivier.
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Because of the heat, I took my shoes off,
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As gevolg van die hitte, het ek my skoene uitgetrek
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and I rolled up my pants,
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en my broekspype opgerol,
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and I walked into the water.
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en toe loop ek in die water in.
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Solly remained on the bank.
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Solly het op die oewer gebly.
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The water was clear running over sand,
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Die helder water het oor die sand gestroom,
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and we turned and we began to make our way upstream.
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ons't gedraai en stroomop begin beweeg.
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And a few meters ahead of us,
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En ’n paar meter voor ons
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there was a place where a tree had fallen out of the bank,
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was daar ’n plek waar ’n boom uit die oewer ontwortel het
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and its branches were touching the water,
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en sy takke het aan die water geraak,
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and it was shadowy.
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en dit was skaduagtig.
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And if had been a horror movie,
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En as dit ’n gruwelfliek was,
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people in the audience would have started saying,
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sou mense in die gehoor nou begin sê het:
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"Don't go in there. Don't go in there." (Laughter)
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"Moenie daar in gaan nie."
(Gelag)
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And of course, the crocodile was in the shadows.
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En natuurlik was daar ’n krokodil in die skaduwee.
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Now the first thing that you notice when a crocodile hits you
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Die eerste ding wat jy oplet as ’n krokodil jou beetkry
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is the ferocity of the bite.
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is hoe heftig hy byt.
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Wham! It hits me by my right leg.
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Bam! My regterbeen getref.
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It pulls me. It turns. I throw my hand up. I'm able to grab a branch.
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Hy trek my. Hy draai. Ek steek my hand uit. Ek kry ’n tak gegryp.
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It's shaking me violently.
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Hy skud my wild rond.
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It's a very strange sensation
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Dit voel baie vreemd
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having another creature try and eat you,
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as ’n ander wese jou probeer eet
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and there are few things that promote vegetarianism like that.
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en min dinge sal vegetarisme so doeltreffend bevorder.
07:23
(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
07:24
Solly on the bank sees that I'm in trouble.
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Solly op die oewer sien dat ek in die moeilikheid is.
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He turns. He begins to make his way to me.
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Hy draai. Hy kom na my toe.
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The croc again continues to shake me.
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Die krokodil hou aan om my te skud.
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It goes to bite me a second time.
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Hy kom in vir 'n tweede hap.
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I notice a slick of blood in the water around me
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Ek sien blink bloed in die water om my
07:35
that gets washed downstream.
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wat stroomaf gespoel word.
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As it bites the second time, I kick.
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Toe hy my die tweede keer byt, skop ek hom.
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My foot goes down its throat. It spits me out.
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My voet gaan in sy keel af. Hy spoeg my uit.
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I pull myself up into the branches,
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Ek trek myself op in die takke in,
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and as I come out of the water, I look over my shoulder.
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en soos ek uit die water kom, kyk ek oor my skouer.
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My leg from the knee down
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Van die knie af ondertoe
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is mangled beyond description.
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is my been onbeskryflik vermink.
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The bone is cracked.
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Die been is gekraak.
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The meat is torn up.
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Die vleis is geskeur.
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I make an instant decision that I'll never look at that again.
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Ek besluit op die daad om nooit weer daarna te kyk nie.
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As I come out of the water,
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Soos ek uit die water uit kom,
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Solly arrives at a deep section,
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kom Solly by ’n diep deel aan,
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a channel between us.
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daar's ’n kanaal tussen ons.
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He knows, he sees the state of my leg,
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Hy weet, hy sien die toestand van my been,
08:07
he knows that between him and I
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hy weet dat daar tussen ons
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there is a crocodile,
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’n krokodil is
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and I can tell you this man doesn't slow down for one second.
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en sê julle: hy't nie vir ’n oomblik gehuiwer nie.
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He comes straight into the channel.
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Hy loop reguit in die kanaal in.
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He wades in to above his waist.
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Die water kom tot bo sy middellyf.
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He gets to me. He grabs me.
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Hy kom tot by my. Hy gryp my.
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I'm still in a vulnerable position.
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Ek's steeds kwesbaar.
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He picks me and puts me on his shoulder.
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Hy sit my op sy skouers.
08:21
This is the other thing about Solly, he's freakishly strong.
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Dis die ander ding oor Solly: hy's belaglik sterk.
08:24
He turns. He walks me up the bank.
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Hy draai. Hy loop met my teen die oewer uit.
08:26
He lays me down. He pulls his shirt off.
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Hy lê my neer. Hy trek sy hemp uit.
08:28
He wraps it around my leg,
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Hy vou dit om my been,
08:30
picks me up a second time,
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tel my weer op,
08:31
walks me to a vehicle,
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dra my na ’n voertuig toe,
08:33
and he's able to get me to medical attention.
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en hy kry my tot waar ek mediese behandeling kan ontvang.
08:37
And I survive.
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En ek oorleef.
(Gelag)
08:40
Now — (Applause)
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Nou -- (Applous)
08:44
Now I don't know how many people you know
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Nou ek weet nie hoeveel mense julle ken
08:47
that go into a deep channel of water
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wat deur ’n diep kanaal sal loop
08:49
that they know has a crocodile in it
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waar hulle weet ’n krokodil is
08:51
to come and help you,
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om julle te kom help nie,
08:53
but for Solly, it was as natural as breathing.
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maar vir Solly was dit so natuurlik soos asemhaal.
08:56
And he is one amazing example
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En hy is een uitsonderlike voorbeeld
08:59
of what I have experienced all over Africa.
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van wat ek oral in Afrika ervaar het.
09:02
In a more collective society,
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In ’n meer kollektiewe samelewing
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we realize from the inside
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is die besef binne-in ons
09:07
that our own well-being is deeply tied
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dat ons eie welsyn
eng met die welsyn van ander verbonde is.
09:10
to the well-being of others.
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09:13
Danger is shared. Pain is shared.
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Gevaar word gedeel. Pyn word gedeel.
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Joy is shared. Achievement is shared.
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Blydskap word gedeel. Prestasie word gedeel.
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Houses are shared. Food is shared.
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Huise word gedeel. Kos word gedeel.
09:24
Ubuntu asks us to open our hearts
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Ubuntu vra ons om ons harte oop te maak
09:27
and to share,
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en om te deel,
09:29
and what Solly taught me that day
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en wat Solly my daai dag geleer het
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is the essence of this value,
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is die kern van hierdie waarde,
09:33
his animated, empathetic action
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sy vurige, empatiese aksie
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in every moment.
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in elke oomblik.
09:38
Now although the root word is about people,
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Nou, die woordstam gaan oor mense.
09:41
I thought that maybe ubuntu was only about people.
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So ek dag eers ubuntu gaan net oor mense.
09:44
And then I met this young lady.
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Maar toe ontmoet ek hierdie jong dame.
09:48
Her name was Elvis.
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Haar naam was Elvis.
09:49
In fact, Solly gave her the name Elvis
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Solly het haar die naam gegee,
09:51
because he said she walked like she was doing
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want hy't gesê sy loop asof sy
09:54
the Elvis the pelvis dance.
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Elvis se bekkendans doen.
09:57
She was born with very badly deformed back legs and pelvis.
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Sy's gebore met sleg misvormde agterpote en bekken.
10:01
She arrived at our reserve from a reserve
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Sy't van ’n ander reservaat na ons s'n toe gekom --
10:03
east of us on her migratory route.
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oos van ons op haar trekroete.
10:05
When I first saw her,
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Toe ek haar die eerste keer sien,
10:07
I thought she would be dead in a matter of days.
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het ek gedink sy sou binne ’n kwessie van dae dood wees.
10:10
And yet, for the next five years
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En tog, vir die volgende vyf jaar
10:13
she returned in the winter months.
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het sy in die wintermaande teruggekeer.
10:15
And we would be so excited to be out in the bush
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En ons was so opgewonde as ons in die bos was
10:17
and to come across this unusual track.
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en op dié ongewone spoor afgekom het --
10:20
It looked like an inverted bracket,
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soos ’n omgekeerde hakie.
10:21
and we would drop whatever we were doing and we would follow,
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En ons't alles net so gelos om dit te volg,
10:24
and then we would come around the corner,
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en dan kom ons om die draai,
10:26
and there she would be with her herd.
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en daar staan sy met haar trop.
10:28
And that outpouring of emotion
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En die uitstorting van emosie
10:30
from people on our safari trucks
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van mense op ons safari-bakkies
10:32
as they saw her, it was this sense of kinship.
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as hulle haar sien; dit was ’n gevoel van verwantskap.
10:35
And it reminded me
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En dit het my herinner
10:37
that even people who grow up in cities
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dat selfs mense wat in stede grootword
10:39
feel a natural connection
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’n natuurlike verbinding
10:42
with the natural world and with animals.
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tot die natuur en tot diere aanvoel.
10:45
And yet still I remained amazed that she was surviving.
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En tog was ek oor en oor verbaas dat sy aanhou leef het.
10:48
And then one day we came across them at this small water hole.
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En toe kom ons eendag op hulle af by ’n klein watergat.
10:51
It was sort of a hollow in the ground.
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Dit was ’n holte van soort in die grond.
10:53
And I watched as the matriarch drank,
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En ek't gekyk hoe die matriarg drink,
10:56
and then she turned in that beautiful slow motion of elephants,
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en toe draai sy, met daai pragtige stadige beweging van olifante,
10:59
looks like the arm in motion,
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lyk soos ’n arm in beweging,
11:01
and she began to make her way up the steep bank.
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en sy begin die steil wal uitklim.
11:04
The rest of the herd turned and began to follow.
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Die res van die trop draai om en begin haar volg.
11:08
And I watched young Elvis
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En ek kyk hoe jong Elvis
11:10
begin to psych herself up for the hill.
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haarself begin opwarm vir die heuwel.
11:13
She got visibly -- ears came forward,
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Mens kon sien -- hare ore na vore,
11:17
she had a full go of it and halfway up,
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sy't hard probeer en halfpad op
11:19
her legs gave way, and she fell backwards.
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het haar bene ingegee, en sy't agteroor geval.
11:21
She attempted it a second time,
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Sy't ’n tweede keer probeer,
11:23
and again, halfway up, she fell backwards.
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en weer halfpad agteroor geval.
11:26
And on the third attempt,
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En op die derde poging,
11:28
an amazing thing happened.
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het ’n ongelooflike ding gebeur.
11:30
Halfway up the bank,
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Halfpad teen die wal op,
11:32
a young teenage elephant came in behind her,
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het ’n jong tienerolifant agter haar ingekom,
11:35
and he propped his trunk underneath her,
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en met sy stam onder haar gestut,
11:38
and he began to shovel her up the bank.
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en haar by die wal begin opstoot.
11:41
And it occurred to me
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En ek't besef
11:42
that the rest of the herd
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dat die res van die trop
11:44
was in fact looking after this young elephant.
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hierdie jong olifant oppas.
11:46
The next day I watched again
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Die volgende dag het ek gesien
11:49
as the matriarch broke a branch
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hoe die matriarg ’n tak breek
11:51
and she would put it in her mouth,
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en dit in haar mond sit,
11:53
and then she would break a second one
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en dan ’n tweede een breek
11:55
and drop it on the ground.
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en dit op die grond gooi.
11:58
And a consensus developed between all of us
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En ons gidse wat in die gebied gewerk het,
12:00
who were guiding people in that area
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het begin saamstem
12:02
that that herd was in fact moving slower
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dat dié trop stadiger beweeg
12:05
to accommodate that elephant.
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om daai olifant te akkommodeer.
12:09
What Elvis and the herd taught me
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Wat Elvis en die trop my geleer het,
12:11
caused me to expand my definition of ubuntu,
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het veroorsaak dat ek my definisie van ubuntu moes uitbrei,
12:14
and I believe that in the cathedral of the wild,
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en ek glo dat ons in die teater van die natuur
12:17
we get to see the most beautiful parts of ourselves
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die weerspieëling van die mooiste dele van onsself sien.
12:19
reflected back at us.
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12:21
And it is not only through other people
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En dis nie net deur ander mense
12:25
that we get to experience our humanity
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wat ons ons menslikheid kan ervaar nie,
12:28
but through all the creatures that live on this planet.
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maar deur al die wesens wat op hierdie planeet woon.
12:32
If Africa has a gift to share,
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As Afrika ’n gawe het om te deel,
12:34
it's a gift of a more collective society.
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is dit die gawe van ’n meer kollektiewe samelewing.
12:38
And while it's true that ubuntu is an African idea,
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En terwyl dit waar is dat ubuntu is 'n Afrika-idee is,
12:42
what I see is the essence of that value
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sien ek die essensie van dié waarde
12:47
being invented here.
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hier ook aan't uitbroei.
12:49
Thank you.
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Dankie.
12:51
(Applause)
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(Applous)
13:16
Pat Mitchell: So Boyd,
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Pat Mitchell: So Boyd,
13:17
we know that you knew President Mandela
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ons weet dat jy President Mandela geken het
13:22
from early childhood
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van jou vroeë kindheid af
13:24
and that you heard the news as we all did today,
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en dat jy vandag die nuus, nes ons almal, gehoor het,
13:27
and deeply distraught
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en diep ontsteld is
13:30
and know the tragic loss that it is to the world.
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en weet dat dit ’n tragiese verlies vir die wêreld is.
13:34
But I just wondered if you wanted
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Maar ek't net gewonder of jy dalk
13:36
to share any additional thoughts,
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nog gedagtes wou deel,
13:38
because we know that you heard that news
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omdat ons weet dat jy die nuus gehoor het
13:40
just before coming in to do this session.
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net voor jy hierdie sessie kom doen het.
13:44
Boyd Varty: Well thanks, Pat.
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Boyd Varty: Wel, dankie, Pat.
13:45
I'm so happy because it was time for him to pass on.
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Ek is so gelukkig, want dit was tyd vir hom om aan te beweeg.
13:48
He was suffering.
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Hy het gely.
13:50
And so of course there's the mixed emotions.
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So daar's natuurlik gemengde gevoelens.
13:53
But I just think of so many occurrences
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Maar ek dink net aan so baie voorvalle
13:55
like the time he went on the Oprah show
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soos toe hy op "Oprah" was
13:57
and asked her what the show would be about.
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en haar gevra het waaroor die program sou wees.
14:00
(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
14:01
And she was like, "Well, it'll be about you."
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En sy was soos: "Wel, oor jou."
14:05
I mean, that's just incredible humility.
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Ek bedoel, dis net ongelooflike nederigheid.
14:07
(Laughter)
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(Gelag)
14:11
He was the father of our nation
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Hy was die vader van ons nasie
14:14
and we've got a road to walk in South Africa.
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en ons't ’n pad om te loop in Suid-Afrika.
14:21
And everything, they used to call it Madiba magic.
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En alles, hulle't dit Madiba Magic genoem.
14:24
You know, he used to go to a rugby match and we would win.
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As hy by ’n rugbywedstryd was, sou ons wen.
14:27
Anywhere he went, things went well.
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Oral waar hy gegaan het, het dinge goed gegaan.
14:30
But I think that magic will be with us,
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Maar ek dink die Magic sal met ons wees,
14:33
and the important thing is that we carry
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en die belangrike ding is
14:36
what he stood for.
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dit waarvoor hy gestaan ​​het verder dra.
14:38
And so that's what I'm going to try and do,
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So dis wat ek gaan probeer doen,
14:41
and that's what people all over South Africa are trying to do.
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en dis wat mense regoor Suid-Afrika probeer doen.
14:44
PM: And that's what you've done today. BV: Oh, thank you.
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PM: En dis wat jy vandag gedoen het. BV: Ag, dankie.
14:46
PM: Thank you. BV: Thank you. Thanks very much.
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PM: Dankie. BV: Dankie. Baie dankie.
14:50
(Applause)
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(Applous)
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