Etacude English Teachers Interview with Eric Wesch | Speak English Fluently with Steve Hatherly

Welcome to another edition of Speak English Fluently.

Welkom by nog 'n uitgawe van Praat vlot Engels.

I am your host, Steve Hatherly.

Ek is jou gasheer, Steve Hatherly. En ek bedank u dat u weereens by ons aangesluit het.

And I thank you for joining us once again.

I’m very excited today because my guest is Mr. Eric Wesch.

Ek is baie opgewonde vandag want my gas is meneer Eric Wesch.

He is originally from South Africa.

Hy is oorspronklik van Suid-Afrika. Hy is nou al sowat

He's been in Korea for about 10 years now, in total, teaching English.

10 jaar in Korea, in totaal en gee Engels. Maar in 2019, dit is toe dat Eric besluit het

But in 2019, that's when Eric decided to start a YouTube channel,

om 'n YouTube-kanaal te begin, en die kanaal heet Etacude.

and the channel is called Etacude.

Now, it's an interesting channel because it's about education.

Nou, dit is 'n interessante kanaal, want dit gaan oor onderwys.

Maar dit fokus op onderwysers. Dit is 'n kanaal wat toegewy

But it's focusing on teachers.

It's a channel that is dedicated to helping teachers become, quote, and I quote from the

is om onderwysers te help om te word, haal aan, en ek haal aan uit die YouTube-kanaal,

YouTube channel, “An unstoppable force in the classroom.”

"'n onstuitbare krag in die klaskamer." Mnr Eric Wesch,

Mr. Eric Wesch, thank you very much for joining me today.

baie dankie dat u vandag by my aangesluit het. Dit is 'n... dit is 'n ware plesier om jou te ontmoet.

It's a… it's a real pleasure to meet you.

Hi, Steve.

Hallo, Steve. Baie dankie dat jy my het.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's… it's a pleasure to be here today.

Dit is ... dit is 'n plesier om vandag hier te wees. Ek het pas gekom van die besoek van jou YouTube-kanaal

I’ve just come from visiting your YouTube channel and watching some of your videos

en van jou video's kyk en ons gaan baie oor Etacude praat.

and we're going to talk a lot about Etacude.

And… and what it is, and what it's for.

En … en wat dit is, en waarvoor dit is. Maar eers, kom ons begin deur oor jou te praat.

But first, let's start by talking about you.

You are from South Africa originally.

Jy is oorspronklik van Suid-Afrika. Watter … watter deel mag ek vra?

Which… which part may I ask?

Well, South Africa is very interesting.

Wel, Suid-Afrika is baie interessant. Um, jy het Johannesburg,

Um you've got Johannesburg, or Johannesburg at the… in the north, and then you've got

of Johannesburg by die … in die noorde, en dan het jy Kaapstad in die Suide.

Cape Town in the South.

Um die maklikste manier vir my om te verduidelik, is dat ek so 'n uur weg van

Um the easiest way for me to explain, is that I live about an hour away from Johannesburg.

Johannesburg af woon. Goed, baie goed.

Okay, very good.

Would that be considered the countryside a little bit?

Sou dit 'n bietjie as die platteland beskou word?

A little bit, yeah.

'n Bietjie, ja. Dit is … dit is nie 'n stad nie.

It's… it's not a city.

I grew up in a town with a population of 200,000 people so not very big.

Ek het grootgeword in 'n dorp met 'n bevolking van 200 000 mense so nie baie groot nie.

Well that's… that's huge.

Wel, dit is ... dit is groot. Ek het dit baie geniet.

I really enjoyed it.

It's big, yeah.

Dit is groot, ja. Baie goed.

Very good.

Uh… what made you come to Korea originally, I wonder?

Uh ... wat het jou oorspronklik na Korea laat kom, wonder ek?

Well, I started teaching in 2007.

Wel, ek het in 2007 begin skoolhou. En ek het vir 'n

And I taught in South Africa for a couple of years.

paar jaar in Suid-Afrika onderwys gegee. Goed.

Okay.

Maar, omdat Suid-Afrika so ver weg is van, wel, die res van die wêreld,

But, because South Africa is so far away from, well, the rest of the world, I wanted to explore

wou ek ander plekke verken en sien. So, ek het navorsing gedoen oor lande om te

and see other places.

So, I did some research on countries to travel and to teach at.

reis en om by te onderrig. En ek het 'n paar goeie dinge oor Suid-Korea gehoor.

And I heard some good things about South Korea.

And then, yeah, just came to South Korea to teach.

En toe, ja, het net na Suid-Korea gekom om te onderrig. En ek is sedertdien hier.

And I’ve been here ever since.

And you learned that all of those good things that you heard before were very very true,

En jy het geleer dat al daardie goeie dinge wat jy voorheen gehoor het, baie baie waar was, nie waar nie?

right?

Most of them, definitely.

Die meeste van hulle, beslis. Het jy Engels as

Were you teaching English as a second language in South Africa, or were you teaching in the

'n tweede taal in Suid-Afrika onderrig, of het jy in die openbare skoolstelsel onderrig gegee?

public school system?

I was teaching in the public school system.

Ek het in die openbare skoolstelsel onderrig gegee. En ek moes 'n paar onderwerpe onderrig, 'n paar vakke.

And I had to teach a few topics, a few subjects.

Uh one was, uh, English, and the other one was, um, I had to teach some social sciences.

Uh een was, uh, Engels, en die ander een was, um, ek moes 'n paar sosiale wetenskappe onderrig.

So I’ve uh I had a few classes, but it were… it was at a public school.

So ek het 'n paar klasse gehad, maar dit was ... dit was by 'n openbare skool.

I see.

Ek sien. Deur na jou YouTube-kanaal te kyk en

From looking at your YouTube channel, and reading your channel description, I saw, and

jou kanaalbeskrywing te lees, het ek gesien en geleer dat jy byna alle ouderdomme hier in die land onderrig het.

learned, that you've taught almost all ages here in the country.

I have.

Ek het. Uh, ek het.

Uh, I have.

I’m very fortunate to have taught all ages.

Ek is baie bevoorreg dat ek alle ouderdomme geleer het. Ek het kleuterskool onderrig.

I’ve taught kindergarten.

I’ve taught elementary school a lot.

Ek het al baie laerskool geleer. Ek het hoërskool gegee.

I’ve taught high school.

And now, currently, I’m teaching at a university.

En nou, tans, gee ek klas aan 'n universiteit. Um, ek het ook die geleentheid gehad om met

Um, I’ve also had the opportunity to work with adults to teach business, and other types

volwassenes te werk om besigheid te onderrig, en ook ander soorte loopbaanverwante onderwerpe.

of career related topics, too.

Very good.

Baie goed. Is daar enige spesifieke ouderdomsgroep

Is there any particular age group that stands out to you as your favorite?

wat vir jou uitstaan ​​as jou gunsteling? Wel, elke ouderdomsgroep het sy, uh, voordele

Well, every age group has its, uh, benefits and well also its struggles, or its challenges.

en wel ook sy stryd, of sy uitdagings. En ek voel met jonger leerders, hulle het baie

And I feel with younger learners, they have a lot of energy, and you can have fun with

energie, en jy kan pret hê met hulle. Maar dit is ook baie dreineerend.

them.

But, it's also very draining.

Dan met al die studente is hulle baie selfgemotiveerd.

Then with all the students, they are very self-motivated.

But… and you don't have to struggle with classroom management.

Maar … en jy hoef nie met klaskamerbestuur te sukkel nie.

Maar dit is soms moeilik om hulle te kry om te praat en opgewonde te wees oor 'n onderwerp.

But it's sometimes difficult to get them to talk and to be excited about a topic.

So, um, om jou vraag te beantwoord, verkies ek eintlik, op die oomblik, om volwassenes

So, um, to answer your question, I actually prefer, right now, to teach adults, or students

of studente te onderrig omdat dit baie makliker is. Maar, elke nou en dan hou ek daarvan om

because they are much easier.

But, every now and again, I like to go and work with young learners because they're so

met jong leerders te gaan werk, want hulle is soveel pret en dit is … dit is 'n … ons kan soveel speletjies speel,

much fun and uh it's… it's a… we can play so many games, and it's very engaging.

en dit is baie boeiend. So jy het

So you were teaching for about seven years in Korea and you're living down in Daegu now

omtrent sewe jaar lank in Korea onderrig gegee en jy woon nou in Daegu, is dit korrek?

is that correct?

That's right.

Dit is reg. Wel, ek het drie jaar in Suid-Afrika onderrig gegee.

Well I taught three years in South Africa.

Five years in Busan, where I taught at a science high school.

Vyf jaar in Busan, waar ek by 'n wetenskap hoërskool skoolgehou het.

I really enjoyed it, very smart students.

Ek het dit baie geniet, baie slim studente. En nou gee ek tans klas by Daegu.

And now I’m currently teaching at Daegu.

And I’ve been here for five years, so 10 years in Korea.

En ek is al vyf jaar hier, so 10 jaar in Korea.

If you're not familiar with the geography of Korea, Daegu is on the South Eastern side

As jy nie vertroud is met die geografie van Korea nie, is Daegu aan die Suidoostelike

of the country, right?

kant van die land, reg? Goeie geografie daar.

Great geography there.

I had to kind of check my memory first.

Ek moes soort van my geheue eers nagaan. Um, wel, soos ek bygekom het,

Um, well, like I was getting to, so you were in Korea for about seven years I guess when

so jy was vir omtrent sewe jaar in Korea toe jy besluit

you decided to make the YouTube channel called Etacude.

het om die YouTube-kanaal genaamd Etacude te maak. So kom ons praat oor daardie besluit

So let's talk about that decision to start a channel in the first place.

om in die eerste plek 'n kanaal te begin. En dan kan jy dalk probeer praat oor

And then maybe you can segue into talking about what the channel is actually about.

waaroor die kanaal eintlik gaan. Wel, ek wil graag.

Well, I’d love to.

Um, you know I’ve…

Um, jy weet ek het ... Ek gee al 'n lang tyd klas en ... en ek onthou

I’ve been teaching for a long time and… and I remember when I first started teaching.

toe ek die eerste keer begin skoolhou het. Ek was so desperaat om antwoorde te vind.

I was so desperate to find answers.

I was so…

Ek was so ... ek wou regtig hê iemand moet my help om ... om my te help, hoe hou ek 'n klas?

I really wanted someone to help me to… to help me, how do I run a class?

How do I deal with students?

Hoe gaan ek met studente om? Hoe maak ek lesplanne?

How do I make lesson plans?

What activities can I use with my students?

Watter aktiwiteite kan ek saam met my studente gebruik? En ek onthou, ek was … dit was terwyl

And I remember, I was …this was while I was studying.

ek gestudeer het. Ek was 'n student.

I was a student.

Baie jare gelede. Baie jare gelede, toe ek 'n student was.

Many years ago.

Many years ago, when I was a student.

And I was so desperate for help, and even though I had professors, and other teachers

En ek was so desperaat vir hulp, en alhoewel ek professore en ander onderwysers daar gehad het, het

there, I…

I felt like I still needed more support.

ek... ek het gevoel dat ek steeds meer ondersteuning nodig het. Ek het… ek het gevoel asof hulle my gefaal het.

I’ve…

I felt like, um, they have failed me.

Ek het probeer om boeke te lees, um, YouTube het nie destyds bestaan ​​nie.

I tried to read books, um, YouTube didn't exist back then.

But I was looking for information everywhere, and I just couldn't find it.

Maar ek het oral na inligting gesoek, en ek kon dit net nie kry nie.

En toe, vir jare, het ek net daardie gevoel gehad dat ek wil teruggee, want ek weet...

And then, for years, I just had that feeling of I want to give back because I know… how

it was to start without any help.

hoe dit was om sonder enige hulp te begin. En vir jare het ek hierdie gevoel gehad, o ek moet

And for years, I had this feeling, oh I need to try and find a way to… to help other

probeer om 'n manier te vind om... om ander onderwysers te help. Maar die probleem was ... die probleem was dat

teachers.

But the problem was… the problem was that I was deathly afraid, and… of being in front

ek doodbang was, en ... om voor 'n kamera te wees.

of a camera.

Oh, interesting.

O, interessant. Ek het die klank van my eie stem gehaat.

I hated the sound of my own voice.

It's still very bad.

Dit is nog steeds baie erg. En wanneer iemand '

And whenever somebody would take a video, I would almost run out of the room.

n video neem, het ek amper by die kamer uit gehardloop. En so, op 'n stadium, het ek net besef dat

And so, at some point, I just realized that, this need for me to try and help other teachers

hierdie behoefte vir my om ander onderwysers daar buite te probeer help,

out there, um, outweighed the… the… the fear of cameras.

um, swaarder weeg as die ... die ... die vrees vir kameras. En die vrees om iets nuuts te leer.

And the fear of learning something new.

So, eventually, I just bit the bullet.

So, uiteindelik het ek net die kol gebyt. Dit beteken, uh, ek het besluit om dit te doen.

That means, uh, I decided to do it.

And I started the channel.

En ek het die kanaal begin. En drie jaar later, hier is ek

And three years later, here I am not that afraid of video.

nie so bang vir video nie. Eintlik omhels dit, en leer

Actually embracing it, and learning something new about, um, video and audio, and, um, writing

iets nuuts oor, um, video en oudio, en, um, skryf skrifte en YouTube elke dag.

scripts and YouTube every single day.

Well I guess you are being a great teacher in that sense because you are leading by example.

Wel, ek dink jy is 'n goeie onderwyser in daardie sin, want jy lei deur voorbeeld.

You are showing your students that, hey, I was afraid to learn something new, but I did

Jy wys jou studente dat, hey, ek was bang om iets nuuts te leer, maar ek het dit gedoen,

it, so you can, too.

so jy kan ook. Ja, beslis.

Yeah, definitely.

Jy weet, as onderwysers, uh, ons is veronderstel om rolmodelle te wees, en ek dink as ons

You know, as teachers, uh, we are supposed to be role models, and I think if we can show

our students that, listen, here is this huge obstacle or, that I have to overcome, or this

vir ons studente kan wys dat, luister, hier is hierdie groot struikelblok of, wat ek moet oorkom,

wall between me and my goals if you apply yourself, and you work very hard, then you

of hierdie muur tussen my en my doelwitte as jy jouself toepas, en jy werk baie hard, dan kan jy

can cross that wall, and you can achieve your goals.

daardie muur oorsteek, en jy kan jou doelwitte bereik. So veral met taalleer, uh,

So especially with language learning, uh, one… one of my greatest skills, I believe,

een... een van my grootste vaardighede, glo ek, is een van my grootste vaardighede

one of my greatest skills is to try and get my students to talk.

om my studente te probeer kry om te praat. Want as 'n taalleerder ... as 'n

Because as a language learner… as a language teacher our students are very often shy or

taalonderwyser is ons studente baie dikwels skaam of hulle wil nie hardop praat nie.

they don't want to speak out loud.

They don't want to communicate with their friends.

Hulle wil nie met hul vriende kommunikeer nie. Hulle is ... hulle ... hulle haat openbare redevoering.

They are… they… they hate public speaking.

So um, een van my vaardighede is om dit uit my studente te probeer kry.

So um, one of my skills is to try and get that out of my students.

Um, I think it's so important to… to show them that you know… there's by… by applying

Um, ek dink dit is so belangrik om... om vir hulle te wys dat jy weet... daar is deur... deur jouself toe te pas

yourself by trying…

deur te probeer... nuwe dinge te probeer, uh, jy sal leer, en jy sal groei, en daar... daar is

trying new things, uh, you will learn, and you will grow, and there…

there's nothing to be afraid of, only you know, there's only success that will come

niks om voor bang te wees nie, net jy weet, daar is net sukses wat in die toekoms sal kom.

in the future.

I think you did a great thing by recognizing that there was a need for a channel like Etacude.

Ek dink jy het 'n wonderlike ding gedoen deur te erken dat daar 'n behoefte was aan 'n kanaal soos Etacude.

Want ek onthou, ek is nou al 20 jaar in Korea en ek het al

Because I remember, I’ve been in Korea for 20 years now and I haven't been, uh, teaching

in a classroom for… for quite some time now, but in the very beginning, when I first

'n geruime tyd lank nie meer in 'n klaskamer onderrig nie, maar aan die begin, toe ek die eerste keer gekom het,

came, I could have used all the help that I… that I could get.

kon ek gebruik het al die hulp wat ek... wat ek kon kry.

And there were no resources outside of like you said, uh, my co-workers and things like

En daar was geen hulpbronne buite soos jy gesê het nie, my medewerkers en sulke dinge.

that.

So jy het hierdie idee gehad, goed, so ek gaan 'n YouTube-kanaal maak wat toegewy is om onderwysers te help.

So you had this idea, okay, so I’m gonna make a YouTube channel dedicated to helping

teachers.

But that's a very broad, that's a very broad topic, so how did you decide where you were

Maar dit is 'n baie breë onderwerp, dit is 'n baie breë onderwerp, so hoe het jy besluit waar

going to start?

jy gaan begin? Wel ... wel dit ... dit is baie interessant, um ...

Well… well that… that's very interesting, um…

Wel voor ek begin het, het ek geweet dat my eerste video en my eerste idee nie perfek sal wees nie.

Well before I started, I knew that my first video and my first idea won't be perfect.

It won't be perfect, um, and I just decided to start making some videos on topics that

Dit sal nie perfek wees nie, en ek het net besluit om 'n paar video's te begin maak oor onderwerpe waarin

ek belangstel. En ook onderwerpe waarmee

I’m interested in.

And also, topics that I’ve heard people need some help with.

ek gehoor het dat mense hulp nodig het. Ek het begin met, dink ek, 'n paar, um,

I started out with, I think, a couple of, um, words in Korean for new teachers to use.

woorde in Koreaans vir nuwe onderwysers om te gebruik. Goed.

Okay.

Kom na Korea. So ek het 'n paar gedoen

Come to Korea.

So I did some even though my Korean isn't very good.

, al is my Koreaans nie baie goed nie. Ek ... ek wou 'n paar ... 'n paar wenke

I…

I wanted to share some… some tips and tricks to new teachers.

en truuks aan nuwe onderwysers deel. Daardie video's was nie baie goed nie,

Those videos weren't very good, but I was…

maar ek was ... ek was, um, ek was so trots op myself omdat ek voor 'n kamera was en probeer het.

I was, um, I was so proud of myself for being in front of a camera and trying.

And then after that, um, I started trying new things.

En toe daarna, um, het ek nuwe dinge begin probeer.

Um, trying to do videos on activities, or if somebody mentioned that they needed some

Um, om video's oor aktiwiteite te probeer doen, of as iemand genoem het dat hulle hulp nodig het met

help with the first day of class, I started making videos on whatever the need was.

die eerste dag van die klas, het ek begin om video's te maak oor wat ook al die behoefte was.

And now, I’ve got all these ideas of videos that I make.

En nou het ek al hierdie idees van video's wat ek maak.

And whenever someone suggests it, I do some research and I try to present something useful

En wanneer iemand dit ook al voorstel, doen ek navorsing en

probeer ek iets nuttigs aan hulle voorhou. Wel, dit is wonderlik, want jy het 'n gehoor

to them.

Well that's great because you have an audience of teachers who are constantly learning themselves

van onderwysers wat voortdurend hulself leer en jou vrae vra en dit help jou om

and asking you questions and that helps you create your content, right?

jou inhoud te skep, nie waar nie? 100%

100% Um, one of the things that I do is, for the

Um, een van die dinge wat ek doen is, vir die afgelope twee jaar,

past two years, every Sat… every Sunday night at 10 p.m.,

elke Sat … elke Sondagaand om 22:00, het ek 'n een uur regstreekse stroom.

I have a one hour live stream.

Where, um, I’ve got teachers joining and sharing what's going on in their lives and

Waar, um, ek het onderwysers wat aansluit en deel wat in hul

lewens en in hul klasse aangaan. Ek het Engelse leerders

in their classes.

I’ve got English learners coming to the live stream just to chat.

wat na die regstreekse stroom kom net om te gesels. En ek kry soveel idees van onderwysers wat sê,

And I get so many ideas from teachers saying, listen, I’m doing this in my class and it's

luister, ek doen dit in my klas en dit werk.

working.

Of ek het hierdie probleem, of wat … watter raad sal jy gee?

Or I’ve got this problem, or what…

what advice would you give?

So for…

So vir ... ek het amper klaar ... ek het 150 gedoen ... ek dink dit is 150.

I’ve almost done…

I’ve done 150…

I think it's 150.

Byna 150, um, regstreekse strome van net praat vir 'n uur.

Almost 150, um, live streams of just talking for an hour.

And I’ve learned so much from teachers, um, out there, you know…

En ek het so baie by onderwysers geleer, um, daar buite, jy weet...

When we're only one person, we've only got one experience.

Wanneer ons net een mens is, het ons net een ervaring.

But I’m so grateful to be able to talk to many teachers and learn from them.

Maar ek is so dankbaar dat ek met baie onderwysers kan praat en by hulle kan leer.

Dit is waar, want almal het 'n ander ervaring in die klaskamer, reg.

It's true because everybody has a different experience in the classroom, right.

Dit is regtig gaaf jy het 150 regstreekse strome gedoen. En dit is 'n goeie oefening vir jou om oor

That's really cool you've done 150 live streams.

And that's great practice for you to get over your fear of being in front of the camera

jou vrees om voor die kamera te wees wat jy natuurlik nie meer het nie, te oorkom.

that you obviously don't have anymore.

Yeah, I don't think I’ve got that fear anymore.

Ja, ek dink nie ek het meer daardie vrees nie. Ek... ek het net besef jy weet, ek het net besef dat

I…

I just realized you know, I just realized that whatever happens, just let go, um, relax,

wat ook al gebeur, laat gaan, um, ontspan, jy weet, en doen jou bes, jy weet, dis... dis

you know, and do your best, you know, that's… that's all that can be expected of you.

al wat van jou verwag kan word. Ek dink so ...

I think so…

So often we…

So dikwels dink ons ​​... ons ... ons dink dat ons dopgehou word of dat ons beter moet wees as wat ons

we…

we think that we're being watched or that we should be better than we are, but you know

is, maar jy weet ek kan net wees wie ek is op die oomblik en hopelik kan ek my bes doen, jy weet.

I can only be who I am in the moment and hopefully I can do my best, you know.

The channel now is doing extremely well.

Die kanaal doen nou baie goed.

Somewhere in the area of what almost 89,000 subscribers now.

Iewers in die omgewing van wat byna 89 000 intekenare nou.

I think was what was the number that I saw.

Ek dink dit was die nommer wat ek gesien het. Was dit onmiddellike sukses vir die kanaal,

Was that immediate success for the channel, or has it been growing consistently over the

of het dit konsekwent oor die drie jaar gegroei? Drie jaar vir 'n YouTube-kanaal is

three years?

Three years for a YouTube channel is not really a long time so you've… congratulations you've

nie regtig 'n lang tyd nie, so jy het ... baie geluk jy het regtig baie goed vir jouself gedoen.

done really really well for yourself.

Thank you so much.

Baie dankie. Um ja, ek het… Ek was… Ek was baie

Um yeah, I’ve…

I’ve been…

I’ve been very fortunate to have so many teachers support me.

gelukkig om so baie onderwysers my te ondersteun. Um, ek dink um ek… ek… al werk ek baie hard,

Um, I think um I…

I… even though I work very hard, I’m very fortunate to have many teachers out there.

is ek baie gelukkig om baie onderwysers daar buite te hê.

And also, English learners, um, so eager to learn new things and that has really pushed

En ook, Engelse leerders, um, so gretig om nuwe dinge te leer en dit het my regtig gedwing

me to… to be more active and to find more useful resources to share.

om ... meer aktief te wees en meer nuttige hulpbronne te vind om te deel.

So I think, um, you know, whenever we do something and it comes from, uh, from a place of trying

So ek dink, um, jy weet, wanneer ons ook al iets doen en dit kom van,

uh, van 'n plek van probeer om ander te help en by te staan, jy weet, jy sal net positiewe

to help and assist others, you know, you will only have positive results and that's… that's

resultate hê en dit is … dit het my aan die gang gehou. Etacude, en jy het my hiervan ingelig net

kept me going.

Etacude, and you informed me of this just before we started, and it was a kind of a

voor ons begin het, en dit was 'n soort van 'n opwindende oomblik vir my.

mind-blowing moment for me.

Uh, you can tell the audience what you told what you told me before we started today.

Uh, jy kan vir die gehoor vertel wat jy vertel het wat jy vir my gesê het voor ons vandag begin het.

Okay, so it's Etacude, e-t-a-c-u-d-e, um, I’ve had so many teachers say, “Eric,

Goed, so dit is Etacude, etacude, um, ek het al soveel onderwysers gehad wat gesê het: “Eric, dis so 'n

that's such an interesting word.

interessante woord. Wat beteken dit?" Ek het al lank kykers gehad wat

What does it mean?”

I’ve had long time viewers that have watched me for… for years saying Eric, um, and then

my al jare lank dopgehou het en gesê Eric, um, en dan in 'n regstreekse stroom sê hulle... hulle het my gevra Eric hoe het

in a live stream they say…

they asked me Eric how did you come up with the name?

jy aan die naam gekom? Wat beteken dit?

What does it mean?

En eintlik is Etacude, as jy dit agterstevoor lees, 'opvoed', nie waar nie?

And actually Etacude, if you read it backwards, is ‘educate,’ right?

And, um, I picked that up.

En, um, ek het dit opgetel. Ek is so bly om te kies dat daardie … daardie

I’m so happy to pick that that… that name, but you know what happens, Steve?

naam, maar weet jy wat gebeur, Steve? Dit is ... dit is eintlik snaaks,

It's… it's actually funny, um, uh, one of my friends, Robin Shaw actually gave me some

um, uh, een van my vriende, Robin Shaw het my eintlik goeie raad gegee.

good advice.

Originally, my YouTube channel's name was just Etacude.

Oorspronklik was my YouTube-kanaal se naam net Etacude.

Okay.

Goed. En ek het daarvan gehou.

And I liked it.

Ek het geweet wat dit beteken en dit was vir onderwysers. Dit was uniek.

I knew what it meant and it was for teachers.

It was unique.

And then my friend, Robin suggested, “Eric, I like the name but people don't know what

En toe het my vriend, Robin, voorgestel: "Eric, ek hou van die naam, maar mense weet nie

the channel is about.”

waaroor die kanaal gaan nie." So ek het gedink, ja, hy is reg.

So I thought, yeah, he's right.

And I changed the name to Etacude English Teachers.

En ek het die naam verander na Etacude English Teachers.

Now whenever someone sees the name, they know, okay well, this is about… this is for English

Nou wanneer iemand die naam sien, weet hulle, goed, dit gaan oor ... dit is vir Engelse

teachers.

onderwysers. En die ander probleem is, as iemand Etacude wou deursoek, um, hulle ... hulle sal dalk

And the other problem is, if somebody wanted to search Etacude, um, they… they might

not know what the what…

nie weet wat die wat ... wat die naam beteken nie, so dit kan moeilik wees om daarna te soek.

what the name means, so it might be difficult to search for it.

So, um, after changing the name, I’ve…

So, um, nadat ek die naam verander het, het ek... Ek het, um, ek het baie meer vordering gesien.

I’ve had, um, I’ve seen a lot more progress.

So I’m very grateful to Robin for giving me that advice.

So ek is baie dankbaar teenoor Robin wat my daardie raad gegee het.

Voorwaar goeie raad. So kom ons praat, uh,

Great advice indeed.

So let's talk, uh, a little bit more in detail about the channel.

'n bietjie meer in detail oor die kanaal. Watter soort video's kan onderwysers daar sien?

What kind of videos can teachers see there?

If the teachers or students, I should say, should they visit your channel?

As die onderwysers of studente, moet ek sê, moet hulle jou kanaal besoek?

Okay, my goal is to make useful videos for teachers.

Goed, my doel is om nuttige video's vir onderwysers te maak.

So whenever I have some tips, some activities, or free resources, I share it with the community.

So wanneer ek 'n paar wenke, 'n paar aktiwiteite of gratis hulpbronne het, deel ek dit met die gemeenskap.

When…

Toe ... toe Covid gebeur het, ek ... onderwysers aanlyn moes beweeg, so ek het 'n hele reeks geskep

when Covid happened, I… teachers had to move online, so I created a whole series about

how to teach online.

oor hoe om aanlyn te onderrig. En dan het ek ook video's oor aktiwiteite gedoen.

And then I’ve also done videos on activities.

Because teachers need to keep their students busy, so I did lots of videos on activities.

Omdat onderwysers hul studente besig moet hou, het ek baie video's oor aktiwiteite gedoen.

Ek hou veral van aktiwiteite oor alles behalwe aktiwiteite oor spesiale geleenthede, soos

Especially I like activities about everything but activities about special events, like

Christmas activities, or you know Halloween activities, so those are very popular.

Kersfeesaktiwiteite, of jy weet Halloween-aktiwiteite, so dit is baie gewild.

Vir myself hou ek ook daarvan om video's oor klaskamerbestuur te maak.

For myself, I also like making videos on classroom management.

Because when you start as a new teacher, you don't know how to control a class.

Want wanneer jy as ’n nuwe onderwyser begin, weet jy nie hoe om ’n klas te beheer nie.

So a lot of my videos that I enjoy making, is all about how to teach… a teacher to

So baie van my video's wat ek geniet om te maak, gaan alles oor hoe om te leer ... 'n

onderwyser om nie net streng te wees nie, maar 'n goeie onderwyser te wees en die klaskamer te beheer en hulle te help.

not just be strict, but be a good teacher and control the classroom and help them.

En so dit is die video's wat ek maak. Ek maak video's oor aktiwiteite en video's oor

And so those are the videos that I make.

I make videos on activities and videos on teaching tips, teaching online.

onderrigwenke, onderrig aanlyn. En in die toekoms

And in the future, I plan on making videos on how to teach grammar.

beplan ek om video's te maak oor hoe om grammatika te onderrig. So dit is iets waaraan ek

So that is something that I will be working on for the future is how to teach some topics

vir die toekoms sal werk, is hoe om 'n paar onderwerpe wat met grammatika verband hou, te onderrig.

related to grammar.

What is one tip?

Wat is een wenk? As jy vir ons 'n bietjie kan gee, uh,

If you could give us a little, uh, peek behind the curtain, if you will, in how to run a

kyk agter die gordyn, as jy wil, oor hoe om 'n klaskamer suksesvol te bestuur?

classroom successfully?

What is Eric Wesch's number one tip for teachers on that?

Wat is Eric Wesch se nommer een wenk vir onderwysers daaroor?

Okay, um, the first tip I would give, I’ve got a billion tips that I can share, but…

Goed, um, die eerste wenk wat ek sou gee, ek het 'n biljoen wenke wat ek kan deel, maar …

Well share as many…

Wel deel soveel … deel dan soveel as wat jy wil.

share as many as you like then.

I think the most important tip I can give anyone, is to, and this is going to sound

Ek dink die belangrikste wenk wat ek vir enigiemand kan gee, is om, en dit gaan baie corny klink,

very corny, but it's going to be believe in yourself.

maar dit gaan wees om in jouself te glo. Dit klink corny, maar laat ek verduidelik.

It sounds corny, but let me explain.

When a new teacher starts teaching, they look towards other teachers for advice.

Wanneer 'n nuwe onderwyser begin onderrig gee, kyk hulle na ander onderwysers vir raad.

They look towards someone to save them.

Hulle kyk na iemand om hulle te red. Iemand om vir hulle te sê wat om te doen.

Someone to tell them what to do.

Want hulle hele lewe ... toe hulle ... hulle hele lewe toe hulle studente was,

Because their whole lives…

when they was… their whole lives when they were students, they were told what to do.

is hulle vertel wat om te doen. Hulle was lys ... hulle

They were list…

they would listen to their teacher.

sou na hul onderwyser luister. Noudat hulle die onderwyser is,

Now that they are the teacher, they've never had the experience of control of teaching

het hulle nog nooit die ervaring van beheer van onderrigstudente gehad nie en nou moet hulle leer.

students and now they have to learn.

So what I would tell a teacher is trust yourself.

So wat ek vir 'n onderwyser sou sê, is vertrou jouself. Jy sal vinniger leer as jy verantwoordelikheid neem

You will learn faster if you take responsibility for your actions and you are the one in control

vir jou dade en jy is die een in beheer van die klas. En dit is 'n leierskap, um… um, wat

of the class.

And that is a leadership, um…

um, that is something to do with leadership where you're the one in control of the students,

iets te doen het met leierskap waar jy die een is in beheer van die studente, jy is die een

you're the one leading them, helping them to be successful.

wat hulle lei, wat hulle help om suksesvol te wees. So as jy in jouself vertrou, weet jy dat

So if you trust in yourself, you know that the more you're going to teach this class,

hoe meer jy hierdie klas gaan onderrig, hoe meer gaan jy leer.

the more you're going to learn.

You will grow and you will improve.

Jy sal groei en jy sal verbeter. En net daardie wete dat jy

And just that knowledge that you should believe in yourself, that you will improve, will give

in jouself moet glo, dat jy sal verbeter, sal jou die selfvertroue gee om 'n beter onderwyser te wees.

you the confidence to be a better teacher.

So that is probably my number one tip that I would give teachers out there.

So dit is seker my nommer een wenk wat ek onderwysers daar buite sal gee.

Well I feel motivated myself after hearing that speech.

Wel, ek voel self gemotiveerd nadat ek daardie toespraak gehoor het.

That was wonderful.

Dit was wonderlik. Um, is dit … dit is een van die

Um, is that… that's one of the challenges that new teachers face.

uitdagings wat nuwe onderwysers in die gesig staar. En jy het in die openbare

And you taught in the public education system in South Africa.

onderwysstelsel in Suid-Afrika onderrig gegee. En jy het baie verskillende vlakke hier geleer …

And you've taught many different levels here… age groups here in Korea.

ouderdomsgroepe hier in Korea. Wat dink jy is van die

What do you think are some of the challenges that teachers face, perhaps in general, or

uitdagings wat onderwysers in die gesig staar, miskien in die algemeen, of om Engels as 'n tweede taal te onderrig, al

teaching English as a second language, albeit here in Korea, or anywhere around the world?

is dit hier in Korea, of enige plek regoor die wêreld? Um, dit is ... dit is anders oor die wêreld.

Um, it's… it's different around the world.

Some things are similar, some things are different.

Sommige dinge is soortgelyk, sommige dinge is anders.

When you teach your younger learners, you have to engage them in a fun playful way because

Wanneer jy jou jonger leerders onderrig, moet jy hulle op 'n prettige speelse manier betrek, want

maybe they don't have that internal motivation to study language.

dalk het hulle nie daardie interne motivering om taal te studeer nie.

So you've got to engage them with your delivery, with your activities, with the content, you've

So jy moet hulle betrek by jou aflewering, met jou aktiwiteite, met die inhoud,

got to make it colorful.

jy moet dit kleurvol maak. En dan, met al die studente,

And then, with all the students, how you motivate them, is you're going to have to make it as

hoe jy hulle motiveer, gaan jy dit so nuttig as moontlik moet maak, dit prakties moet maak,

useful as possible, make it practical, so that they feel like they're learning.

sodat hulle voel dat hulle leer. Daarom is motivering oor die algemeen baie belangrik.

So motivation is very important across the board.

It… but it… it's different also the way that students are able to interact and do

Dit ... maar dit ... dit is ook anders die manier waarop studente in staat is om interaksie te hê en aktiwiteite te doen.

activities.

Byvoorbeeld, in Suid-Afrika, en ander lande, jy weet in die Weste,

For example, in South Africa, and other countries, you know in the West, we love talking about

praat ons graag oor onsself. Ons ... ons hou daarvan om oor onsself te praat.

ourselves.

We…

we love talking about ourselves.

Uh, jy weet, uh, en uh, ons hou daarvan, ons hou daarvan om ons ervarings te deel.

Um, you know, uh, and uh, we like, we love sharing our experiences.

We have no problem with talking to a group about who we are, you know.

Ons het geen probleem om met 'n groep te praat oor wie ons is nie, jy weet.

A very individualistic society.

'n Baie individualistiese samelewing. Terwyl die studente in Korea dalk

Whereas in Korea, the students might be shy because they might get judged in a group.

skaam is omdat hulle dalk in 'n groep beoordeel word. So, um, dit is ... dit is baie belangrik om

So, um, it's… it's very important to set up your class for success, to show the students

jou klas op te stel vir sukses, om die studente te wys dat jy in hierdie klas gaan pret hê,

that in this class you're going to have fun, but you have to speak and… and it's, it's

maar jy moet praat en ... en dit is, dit is baie belangrik om dit uit te kry van hulle.

very important to get that out of them.

So yeah, um, different challenges, some things are the same, but there are things that you

So ja, um, verskillende uitdagings, sommige dinge is dieselfde,

maar daar is dinge wat jy kan verander wat 'n bietjie verskil tussen die lande.

can change that are a little bit different between the countries.

Dit is 'n goeie punt, want ek onthou toe ek, uh, begin onderrig het.

That's a great point because I remember when I, uh, began teaching.

Um, I think it was middle school or high school students here in Korea, and I would ask them

Um, ek dink dit was middelskool- of hoërskoolleerlinge hier in Korea,

en ek sou hulle 'n vraag vra en verwag soos dit in Kanada sou wees, waar ek vandaan kom,

a question expecting like it would be in Canada, where I’m from, where you know many students

waar jy weet baie studente sal hul hand opsteek - en niemand sal steek hul hand op.

would raise their hand - and nobody would raise their hand.

And I thought, this is quite frustrating.

En ek het gedink, dit is nogal frustrerend. Ek weet nie hoekom nie... hoekom wil niemand

I don't know why…

why doesn't anyone want to answer me?

my antwoord nie? Ek verstaan ​​nie.

I don't understand.

And then a co-worker of mine said they're not being rude, they just… they're not used

En toe sê 'n medewerker van my hulle is nie onbeskof nie, hulle is net ... hulle is nie gewoond daaraan

to doing this type of thing in the classroom because that's not normal activity in a Korean

om hierdie tipe ding in die klaskamer te doen nie, want dit is nie normale aktiwiteit in 'n Koreaanse klaskamer nie.

classroom.

So ek dink nog een van die uitdagings sal ook wees om klein kulturele goedjies te verstaan, um,

So I guess another one of the challenges would be understanding little cultural tidbits,

too, um, when you're dealing with students in Korea, or wherever you are in the world.

wanneer jy met studente in Korea te doen het, of waar jy ook al in die wêreld is.

Understanding where the students are coming from can help you a lot, too, I guess.

Om te verstaan ​​waar die studente vandaan kom, kan jou ook baie help, dink ek.

100 percent.

100 persent. Um, ek dink

Um, I think this is an interesting concept in education and that is scaffolding.

dit is 'n interessante konsep in onderwys en dit is steierwerk.

‘scaffolding’ is basically when you build a house you want to you want to scaffold it

'steierwerk' is basies wanneer jy 'n huis bou wat jy wil hê jy wil dit

- you want to create certain parts first, and then add on top of that.

steier - jy wil eers sekere dele skep, en dan boonop byvoeg.

Now scaffolding, scaffolding, can be used in different ways.

Nou kan steierwerk, steierwerk, op verskillende maniere gebruik word.

When you scaffold a lesson for example, you can scaffold by first introducing some vocabulary,

Wanneer jy byvoorbeeld 'n les steier, kan jy steier deur eers 'n paar woordeskat bekend te stel.

Dan kan jy 'n paar voorbeelde in 'n sin gee. Dan kan jy 'n paar

Then you can give some examples in a sentence.

Then you can give some examples from your own life.

voorbeelde uit jou eie lewe gee. Jy gee … jy wys die studente hoe om dit te doen.

You give… you show the students how to do it.

You write it on the board and then you ask them simple questions so that, little by little,

Jy skryf dit op die bord en dan vra jy vir hulle eenvoudige vrae sodat hulle bietjie vir bietjie

they are learning instead of giving them a whole sentence, or a whole dialogue to do,

leer in plaas daarvan om vir hulle 'n hele sin te gee, of 'n hele dialoog om te doen,

you're doing it step by step.

jy doen dit stap vir stap. En dit is baie belangrik om te verstaan

And that is very important to understand when you teach any level of student.

​​wanneer jy enige vlak van student onderrig. As jy jong leerders onderrig, gaan jy

If you're teaching young learners, you're going to start in a very simple way and then

op 'n baie eenvoudige manier begin en dit dan opwerk. As jy gevorderde studente onderrig, dieselfde

work it up.

If you're teaching advanced students, the same concept, the same idea applies where

konsep, geld dieselfde idee waar jy hulle stap vir stap gaan leer.

you're going to teach them step by step.

And scaffolding, I believe, can also be applied to communication with students.

En steierwerk, glo ek, kan ook toegepas word op kommunikasie met studente.

When a student comes into class, you want to ask them simple questions to get them talking

Wanneer 'n student in die klas kom, wil jy vir hulle eenvoudige vrae vra

om hulle aan die praat te kry en hulle gemaklik te maak. So jy kan vra: "O, hoe was jou dag?"

and get them comfortable.

So you can ask, “Oh, how was your day?”

En hulle sal sê: “Dit was goed,” of uh, “Hou jy van … Het jy middagete geëet? Ja? Geen?"

And they will say, “It was fine,” or uh, “Do you like…

Did you eat lunch?

Yes?

No?”

So dit kry hulle aan die praat. Wanneer jy dan met die les begin,

So it gets them talking.

Then when you start the lesson, you're going to start off by asking simple questions, uh,

gaan jy begin deur eenvoudige vrae te vra, uh, eenvoudige dialoë te skep wat

creating simple dialogues making them comfortable to speak in class.

hulle gemaklik maak om in die klas te praat. Ek glo dit is 'n noodsaaklike vaardigheid

I believe that's a vital skill to learn is to scaffold the way that you teach and scaffold

om aan te leer, is om die manier waarop jy onderrig te steier en die manier waarop jy met ander kommunikeer, te steier.

the way that you communicate with others.

Very good.

Baie goed. So kom ons praat oor die regstreekse strome wat jy doen.

So let's talk about the live streams that you do.

Jy het dit kortliks aangeraak. Jy doen dit elke naweek.

You touched on it briefly.

You do them every single weekend.

Every Sunday night at 10 p.m.

Elke Sondagaand om 22:00 Om 22:00 korrek.

At 10 p.m. correct.

10 p.m. Korean time or 1 p.m. GMT.

22:00 Koreaanse tyd of 13:00 GMT. En dan doen jy dit vir ongeveer 'n uur elk ...

And then you do these for about an hour each… each time or does the time vary?

elke keer of verskil die tyd? Een uur presies.

One hour exactly.

And… and sometimes I invite other teachers, or interesting guests to come on.

En … en soms nooi ek ander onderwysers, of interessante gaste om te kom.

So byvoorbeeld, um, gister Di... wat is die datum vandag?

So for example, um, yesterday Tues… what's the date today?

Today's Tuesday.

Vandag se Dinsdag. Twee dae gelede, uh, het ek 'n

Two days ago, uh, I had an Indian teacher on and she was just brilliant sharing a lot

Indiese onderwyser gehad en sy was net briljant om baie kennis en wysheid met ons te deel.

of knowledge and wisdom with us.

Baie goed. So, soms is dit net ek wat

Very good.

So, sometimes, it's just me talking very fast and talking to other teachers.

baie vinnig praat en met ander onderwysers praat. En ander kere nooi ek gaste uit.

And other times, I invite guests on.

Fantastic, uh, what a wonderful resource for teachers and students alike.

Fantasties, uh, wat 'n wonderlike hulpbron vir onderwysers en studente.

And maybe you can talk about that a little bit because, uh, the website is not necessarily

En miskien kan jy 'n bietjie daaroor praat, want, uh, die webwerf is nie noodwendig

just for teachers, correct?

net vir onderwysers nie, reg? Of die kanaal, verskoon my?

Or the channel, excuse me?

Well, it's interesting.

Wel, dit is interessant. Baie taalleerders het by my kanaal aangesluit

Many language learners have joined my channel because they come for listening practice and

omdat hulle kom vir luisteroefening en hulle interaksie met my het.

they interact with me.

Hulle stuur vir my boodskappe, of hulle vra my vrae, of hulle deel dele van hul lewens.

They send me messages, or they ask me questions, or they share parts of their lives.

En ek dink ... ek hoop dat dit ook nuttig is vir hulle,

And I think…

I hope that it's useful for them, too, because a lot of the… the lessons and the videos

want baie van die ... die lesse en die video's wat ek uitstuur, kan ook deur taalleerders gebruik word.

I put out, can be used by language learners, too.

Dit is duidelik dat my… my kykers meestal onderwysers is omdat ek hulle probeer help, maar as dit nuttig

Obviously, my…

my viewers are mostly teachers because I try and help them, but if it's useful to language

is vir taalleerders, maak dit … dit maak … dit maak my bly dat ek ander mense ook kan help.

learners, it… it makes… it makes me happy that I can help other people, too.

Are there books as well?

Is daar boeke ook? Ek het 'n paar boeke.

I do have some books.

I’ve got one book that is 1,000 English Questions and Answers.

Ek het een boek wat 1 000 Engelse vrae en antwoorde is.

Oh, wow.

O, sjoe. So basies het ek 50 onderwerpe gevind en ek het

So basically, I found 50 topics and I wrote out 20 questions for each topic and 20 answers.

20 vrae vir elke onderwerp en 20 antwoorde uitgeskryf. En baie van my kykers, onderwysers,

And a lot of my viewers, teachers, use it in class with their students.

gebruik dit in die klas saam met hul studente. En baie Engelse leerders gebruik dit om te leer wat

And a lot of English learners use it to learn what are some… some basic questions and

sommige is ... 'n paar basiese vrae en hoe om dit te beantwoord. So dit is een van die boeke wat ek geskep het.

how to answer it.

So that is one of the books that I created.

Very cool.

Baie koel. Hoekom moet onderwysers, uh,

Why should teachers visit, uh, Etacude English Teachers?

Etacude English Teachers besoek? Wat is die nommer een hoofrede

What's the number one main reason teachers should visit your channel?

waarom onderwysers jou kanaal moet besoek? Ek glo dat, um, as jy 'n onderwyser is, jy

I believe that, um, if you're a teacher, you can come to the channel, and you're going

na die kanaal kan kom, en jy gaan interessante inligting oor onderwys uitvind.

to find out some interesting information about education.

You're going to find hundreds of activities that you can use in class.

Jy gaan honderde aktiwiteite vind wat jy in die klas kan gebruik.

You're going to find a community of teachers that support each other.

Jy gaan 'n gemeenskap van onderwysers vind wat mekaar ondersteun.

En baie gratis hulpbronne wat jy in jou klas kan gebruik om die

And a lot of free resources that you can use in your class to make life as a teacher just

lewe as onderwyser net baie beter te maak. Daar is letterlik geen rede om nie

much better.

There's literally no reason not to visit Etacude English teachers.

Etacude Engels-onderwysers te besoek nie. Almal is welkom.

Everyone's welcome.

Um, ek... Ek is so dankbaar vir elke onderwyser, en Engelse leerder, of persoon,

Um, I…

I’m so grateful for every teacher, and English learner, or person, or whoever wants to come

of wie ook al na die kanaal wil kom. Um, ek hou daarvan om te help en dit is waarvoor die

to the channel.

Um, I love to help and that's what the channel is for.

kanaal is. Baie goed.

Very good.

Well Mr. Eric Wesch, it was a pleasure to speak with you.

Wel, mnr. Eric Wesch, dit was 'n plesier om met jou te praat.

It was wonderful to learn about Etacude English Teachers.

Dit was wonderlik om van Etacude English Teachers te leer.

Baie geluk met jou sukses wat jy gehad het en ek wens jou meer daarvan in die toekoms.

Congratulations on your success that you've had and I wish you more of that in the future.

It was a real pleasure to meet you and… and chat with you today.

Dit was regtig 'n plesier om jou te ontmoet en... en met jou te gesels vandag.

And I thank you.

En ek sê dankie. Baie dankie

Thank you so much Steve for having me and everybody else out there watching that I hope

Steve dat jy my en almal anders daarbuite laat kyk het, ek hoop jy het 'n fantastiese week

you have a fantastic week and, uh, we'll see you next time.

en, uh, ons sien jou volgende keer. Besoek Eric se kanaal Etacude English Teachers.

Visit Eric's channel Etacude English Teachers.

And if you're looking for more of me, you can visit my own channel, called Story Time:

En as jy meer van my soek, kan jy my eie kanaal, genaamd Story Time: Steve

Steve Hatherly.

Hatherly, besoek. Jy kan dit ook op YouTube vind. Eric jy moet jy moet

You can find that on YouTube as well.

Eric you have to you have to subscribe to my channel for sure, yeah?

verseker op my kanaal inteken, ja? 100%.

100%.

Fantastic.

Fantasties. En ek sal... ek sal ook

And I'll…

die guns teruggee, uh, goed. Wel weereens baie dankie Eric.

I'll return the favor as well, uh, all right.

Well once again Eric thank you so much.

Wees veilig. Wees gelukkig.

Be safe.

Wees gesond en ek hoop om eendag weer met jou te gesels.

Be happy.

Totsiens.

Be healthy and I hope to chat with you again someday.

Bye.