This is what it's like to go undercover in North Korea | Suki Kim

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Translator: Doris Kos Reviewer: Klavdija Cernilogar
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In 2011, during the final six months of Kim Jong-Il's life,
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Leta 2011, v zadnjih 6 mesecih življenja Kim Jong Ila,
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I lived undercover in North Korea.
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sem pod krinko živela v Severni Koreji.
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I was born and raised in South Korea, their enemy.
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Rojena in vzgojena sem bila v Južni Koreji, pri sovražniku.
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I live in America, their other enemy.
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Živim v Ameriki, ki je njihov drugi sovražnik.
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Since 2002, I had visited North Korea a few times.
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Po letu 2002 sem večkrat obiskala Severno Korejo.
00:36
And I had come to realize that to write about it with any meaning,
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In ugotovila sem, da če hočem pisati o tem
00:42
or to understand the place beyond the regime's propaganda,
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ali razumeti dogajanje preko režimske propagande,
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the only option was total immersion.
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potrebujem popolno poglobitev.
00:54
So I posed as a teacher and a missionary
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Zato sem se izdajala za učiteljico in misijonarko
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at an all-male university in Pyongyang.
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na moški univerzi v Pjongjangu.
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The Pyongyang University of Science and Technology
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Pjongjanško univerzo za znanost in tehnologijo
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was founded by Evangelical Christians who cooperate with the regime
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so ustanovili evangeličanski kristjani, ki sodelujejo z režimom,
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to educate the sons of the North Korean elite,
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da bi izobrazili sinove severnokorejske elite,
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without proselytizing, which is a capital crime there.
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brez spreobračanja v vero, kar se tam kaznuje s smrtjo.
01:27
The students were 270 young men, expected to be the future leaders
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270 mladih fantov je študiralo tam, postali naj bili bodoči vodje
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of the most isolated and brutal dictatorship in existence.
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najbolj izolirane in brutalne diktature na svetu.
01:40
When I arrived, they became my students.
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Ko sem prispela, so postali moji študentje.
01:47
2011 was a special year,
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2011 je bilo posebno leto,
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marking the 100th anniversary of the birth of North Korea's original Great Leader,
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ki je zaznamovalo 100. obletnico rojstva prvega velikega vodje Severne Koreje,
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Kim Il-Sung.
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Kim Il Sunga.
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To celebrate the occasion, the regime shut down all universities,
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Ob tej priložnosti so zaprli vse univerze
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and sent students off to the fields
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in študente poslali na polja,
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to build the DPRK's much-heralded ideal
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da bi zgradili ideal, ki so ga na veliko napovedovali,
02:10
as the world's most powerful and prosperous nation.
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ideal najmočnejšega in najuspešnejšega naroda na svetu.
02:16
My students were the only ones spared from that fate.
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Samo mojim študentom je bilo to prihranjeno.
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North Korea is a gulag posing as a nation.
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Severna Koreja je gulag, ki se pretvarja, da je narod.
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Everything there is about the Great Leader.
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Tam se vse vrti okoli velikega vodje.
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Every book, every newspaper article, every song, every TV program --
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Vsaka knjiga, vsak članek, pesem, vsak TV program -
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there is just one subject.
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obstaja samo ena tema.
02:35
The flowers are named after him,
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Po njem so poimenovane rože,
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the mountains are carved with his slogans.
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v gorah so izklesani njegovi slogani.
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Every citizen wears the badge of the Great Leader at all times.
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Vsak državljan ves čas nosi njegovo značko.
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Even their calendar system begins with the birth of Kim Il-Sung.
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Celo koledar se začne z njegovim rojstvom.
02:51
The school was a heavily guarded prison, posing as a campus.
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Šola je bila močno varovan zapor, ki je izgledal kot kampus.
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Teachers could only leave on group outings accompanied by an official minder.
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Učitelji so na skupinske izlete lahko hodili le v uradnem spremstvu.
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Even then, our trips were limited to sanctioned national monuments
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In celo takrat smo bili omejeni na obiske državnih spomenikov
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celebrating the Great Leader.
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v čast velikemu vodji.
03:12
The students were not allowed to leave the campus,
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Študentje kampusa niso smeli zapuščati
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or communicate with their parents.
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niti niso smeli komunicirati s starši.
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Their days were meticulously mapped out, and any free time they had
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Njihovi dnevi so bili skrbno načrtovani in ves prosti čas
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was devoted to honoring their Great Leader.
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je bil namenjen čaščenju velikega vodje.
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Lesson plans had to meet the approval of North Korean staff,
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Učni načrt je moralo odobriti severnokorejsko osebje,
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every class was recorded and reported on, every room was bugged,
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predavanja so se snemala, sobe so ozvočili
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and every conversation, overheard.
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in poslušali vsak pogovor.
03:42
Every blank space was covered with the portraits of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il,
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Vsak prazen prostor je bil prekrit s portreti Kim Il Sunga ali Kim Jong Ila,
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like everywhere else in North Korea.
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tako kot povsod drugje v Severni Koreji.
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We were never allowed to discuss the outside world.
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Ni nam bilo dovoljeno govoriti o zunanjem svetu.
03:55
As students of science and technology, many of them were computer majors
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Kot študentje znanosti in tehnologije
so mnogi za glavni predmet imeli računalništvo,
04:01
but they did not know the existence of the Internet.
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a niso vedeli za obstoj interneta.
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They had never heard of Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs.
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Niso vedeli, kdo je Mark Zuckerberg ali Steve Jobs.
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Facebook, Twitter -- none of those things would have meant a thing.
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Facebook, Twitter - nič od tega zanje ni imelo pomena.
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And I could not tell them.
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In jaz jim nisem mogla povedati.
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I went there looking for truth.
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Tja sem šla z namenom, da bi poiskala resnico.
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But where do you even start when an entire nation's ideology,
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A kje začneš, ko je ideologija celotnega naroda,
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my students' day-to-day realities,
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dnevna resničnost mojih študentov,
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and even my own position at the universities,
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celo moj položaj na univerzi,
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were all built on lies?
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vse zgrajeno na lažeh?
04:37
I started with a game.
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Začela sem z igro.
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We played "Truth and Lie."
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Igrali smo se "Resnica ali laž".
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A volunteer would write a sentence on the chalkboard,
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Prostovoljec je na tablo napisal stavek,
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and the other students had to guess
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ostali študentje pa so ugibali,
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whether it was a truth or a lie.
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ali je bil resničen ali ne.
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Once a student wrote, "I visited China last year on vacation,"
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Nekoč je nekdo napisal: "Lani sem med počitnicami obiskal Kitajsko."
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and everyone shouted, "Lie!"
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In vsi so zakričali: "Laž!"
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They all knew this wasn't possible.
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Vsi so namreč vedeli, da to ni bilo mogoče.
05:01
Virtually no North Korean is allowed to leave the country.
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Skoraj nobenemu Severnokorejcu ni dovoljeno zapustiti države.
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Even traveling within their own country requires a travel pass.
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Že potovanje po državi zahteva prepustnico.
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I had hoped that this game would reveal some truth about my students,
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Upala sem, da bo igra razkrila kakšno resnico o mojih študentih,
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because they lie so often and so easily,
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ker lažejo zelo pogosto in enostavno,
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whether about the mythical accomplishments of their Great Leader,
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naj gre za dosežke njihovega velikega vodje
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or the strange claim that they cloned a rabbit as fifth graders.
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ali za čudne trditve, da so v 5. razredu klonirali zajca.
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The difference between truth and lies seemed at times hazy to them.
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Razlika med resnico in lažmi jim ni bila vedno jasna.
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It took me a while to understand the different types of lies;
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In vzelo mi je kar nekaj časa, da sem razumela različne tipe laži;
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they lie to shield their system from the world,
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lagali so, da bi zaščitili svoj sistem pred svetom,
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or they were taught lies, and were just regurgitating them.
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ali pa so jih teh laži naučili in so jih oni samo ponavljali.
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Or, at moments, they lied out of habit.
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Vsake toliko pa so lagali preprosto iz navade.
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But if all they have ever known were lies,
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A če je vse, kar so poznali, laž,
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how could we expect them to be otherwise?
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kako lahko od njih pričakujemo, da bodo drugačni?
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Next, I tried to teach them essay writing.
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Zatem sem jih poskušala naučiti pisanja esejev.
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But that turned out to be nearly impossible.
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Izkazalo se je, da je to praktično nemogoče.
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Essays are about coming up with one's own thesis,
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Bistvo esejev je, da si izmisliš svojo tezo
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and making an evidence-based argument to prove it.
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in jo na podlagi dokazov tudi argumentiraš.
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These students, however, were simply told what to think,
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Tem študentom pa so enostavno povedali, kaj morajo misliti,
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and they obeyed.
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in ubogali so.
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In their world, critical thinking was not allowed.
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V njihovem svetu kritično razmišljanje ni bilo dovoljeno.
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I also gave them the weekly assignment of writing a personal letter,
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Prav tako sem jim dala tedensko zadolžitev, da so napisali pismo,
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to anybody.
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komurkoli.
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It took a long time, but eventually some of them began to write
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Minilo je kar nekaj časa, preden jih je nekaj začelo pisati
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to their mothers, their friends, their girlfriends.
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svojim mamam, prijateljem, puncam.
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Although those were just homework,
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Čeprav je bila to samo domača naloga,
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and would never reach their intended recipients,
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ki nikoli ne bi dosegla končnega prejemnika,
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my students slowly began to reveal their true feelings in them.
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so moji študentje počasi začeli razkrivati svoja prava čustva.
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They wrote that they were fed up with the sameness of everything.
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Zapisali so, da so siti tega, da je vse vedno enako.
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They were worried about their future.
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Skrbelo jih je za svojo prihodnost.
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In those letters, they rarely ever mentioned their Great Leader.
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V pismih so redko omenjali velikega vodjo.
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I was spending all of my time with these young men.
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Preživljala sem ves svoj čas s temi mladimi fanti.
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We all ate meals together, played basketball together.
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Skupaj smo jedli, igrali košarko.
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I often called them gentlemen, which made them giggle.
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Pogosto sem jih klicala gospodje, kar jih je nasmejalo.
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They blushed at the mention of girls.
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Zardeli so ob omembi deklet.
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And I came to adore them.
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Začela sem jih oboževati
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And watching them open up even in the tiniest of ways,
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in opazovati, kako so se počasi odpirali,
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was deeply moving.
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je bilo zelo ganljivo.
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But something also felt wrong.
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A hkrati je bilo čutiti težave.
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During those months of living in their world,
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V času, ko sem bivala v njihovem svetu,
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I often wondered if the truth would, in fact, improve their lives.
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sem se pogosto spraševala, ali bi resnica izboljšala njihova življenja.
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I wanted so much to tell them the truth,
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Tako zelo močno sem jim želela povedati resnico
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of their country and of the outside world,
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o njihovi državi in zunanjem svetu,
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where Arab youth were turning their rotten regime inside out,
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kjer arabska mladina spreminja svoj režim
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using the power of social media,
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z uporabo družabnih medijev,
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where everyone except them was connected through the world wide web,
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kjer so vsi, razen njih, povezani preko spleta,
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which wasn't worldwide after all.
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ki pa le ni tako zelo svetovni.
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But for them, the truth was dangerous.
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A za njih je bila resnica nevarna.
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By encouraging them to run after it, I was putting them at risk --
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Če bi jih spodbujala, da jo odkrijejo, bi jih izpostavila -
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of persecution,
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preganjanju,
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of heartbreak.
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zlomu srca.
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When you're not allowed to express anything in the open,
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Ko ti ni dovoljeno, da bi karkoli javno izpostavil,
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you become good at reading what is unspoken.
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postaneš dober v prebiranju neizgovorjenega.
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In one of their personal letters to me, a student wrote that he understood
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V enem od osebnih pisem meni je študent napisal, da razume,
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why I always called them gentlemen.
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zakaj jih vedno kličem gospodje.
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It was because I was wishing them to be gentle in life, he said.
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Bilo naj bi zato, ker jim želim, da bi bili nežni v življenju.
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On my last day in December of 2011,
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Na moj zadnji dan, decembra 2011,
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the day Kim Jong-Il's death was announced,
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na dan, ko je bila objavljena smrt Kim Jonga Ila,
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their world shattered.
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se je njihov svet sesul.
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I had to leave without a proper goodbye.
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Morala sem oditi brez pravega slovesa.
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But I think they knew how sad I was for them.
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A mislim, da so vedeli, kako žalostna sem bila zanje.
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Once, toward the end of my stay, a student said to me,
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Nekoč mi je študent, proti koncu mojega bivanja tam, rekel:
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"Professor, we never think of you as being different from us.
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"Profesorica, o vas nikoli ne mislimo, da ste drugačni od nas.
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Our circumstances are different, but you're the same as us.
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Naše okoliščine so drugačne, a ste isti kot mi.
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We want you to know that we truly think of you as being the same."
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Želimo, da veste, da vas imamo resnično za nam enako."
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Today, if I could respond to my students with a letter of my own,
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Če bi jim danes lahko odgovorila v svojem pismu,
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which is of course impossible,
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kar je seveda nemogoče,
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I would tell them this:
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bi jim povedala sledeče:
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"My dear gentlemen,
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"Moji dragi gospodje,
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It's been a bit over three years since I last saw you.
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minila so že več kot tri leta, kar sem vas nazadnje videla.
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And now, you must be 22 -- maybe even as old as 23.
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Stari morate biti 22 - morda celo 23 let.
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At our final class, I asked you if there was anything you wanted.
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Na našem zadnjem predavanju sem vas vprašala, če si česa želite.
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The only wish you expressed, the only thing you ever asked of me
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Edina želja, ki ste jo izrazili, vse, kar ste me prosili
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in all those months we spent together,
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v vseh mesecih, ki smo jih preživeli skupaj, je,
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was for me to speak to you in Korean.
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da bi z vami govorila v korejščini.
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Just once.
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Vsaj enkrat.
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I was there to teach you English;
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Bila sem tam, da bi vas naučila angleško;
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you knew it wasn't allowed.
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vedeli ste, da tega ne smem storiti.
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But I understood then, you wanted to share that bond of our mother tongue.
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A sem razumela, da želite deliti vez našega maternega jezika.
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I called you my gentlemen,
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Klicala sem vas moji gospodje,
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but I don't know if being gentle in Kim Jong-Un's merciless North Korea
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a ne vem, če je nežnost v Kim Jong Unovi neusmiljeni Severni Koreji dobra stvar.
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is a good thing.
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10:39
I don't want you to lead a revolution --
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Nočem, da začnete revolucijo -
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let some other young person do it.
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dopustite, da jo začne nekdo drug.
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The rest of the world might casually encourage or even expect
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Preostali svet bi mimogrede morda spodbudil ali celo pričakoval
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some sort of North Korean Spring,
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neke vrste severnokorejsko pomlad,
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but I don't want you to do anything risky,
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a nočem, da naredite karkoli tveganega,
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because I know in your world, someone is always watching.
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ker vem, da vas v vašem svetu vedno nekdo opazuje.
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I don't want to imagine what might happen to you.
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Nočem si niti predstavljati, kaj bi se vam lahko zgodilo.
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If my attempts to reach you have inspired something new in you,
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Če so moji poskusi, da vas dosežem, navdihnili nekaj novega v vas,
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I would rather you forget me.
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bi raje videla, da me pozabite.
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Become soldiers of your Great Leader, and live long, safe lives.
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Postanite vojaki velikega vodje in živite dolga in varna življenja.
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You once asked me if I thought your city of Pyongyang was beautiful,
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Nekoč ste me vprašali, če mislim, da je vaš Pjongjang lep,
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and I could not answer truthfully then.
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in takrat vam resnično nisem mogla iskreno odgovoriti.
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But I know why you asked.
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A vem, zakaj ste me vprašali.
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I know that it was important for you to hear that I, your teacher,
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Vem, da vam je bilo pomembno slišati, da jaz, kot učiteljica,
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the one who has seen the world that you are forbidden from,
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kot nekdo, ki je videl svet, ki je vam prepovedan,
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declare your city as the most beautiful.
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razglasi vaše mesto za najlepše.
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I know hearing that would make your lives there a bit more bearable,
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Vem, da bi vam ta stavek malce olajšal življenje,
11:46
but no, I don't find your capital beautiful.
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a ne, žal se mi vaše glavno mesto ne zdi lepo.
11:50
Not because it's monotone and concrete,
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Ne zato, ker je monotono in iz betona,
11:53
but because of what it symbolizes:
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ampak zaradi tega, kar simbolizira:
11:55
a monster that feeds off the rest of the country,
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pošast, ki se hrani na preostalem delu države,
12:00
where citizens are soldiers and slaves.
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kjer so državljani vojaki in sužnji.
12:05
All I see there is darkness.
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Vse, kar vidim, je tema.
12:09
But it's your home, so I cannot hate it.
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A to je vaš dom, zato ga ne morem sovražiti.
12:13
And I hope instead that you, my lovely young gentlemen,
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In namesto tega upam, da ga boste vi, moji ljubi mladi gospodje,
12:18
will one day help make it beautiful.
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nekega dne naredili lepega."
12:22
Thank you.
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Hvala lepa.
12:24
(Applause)
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