This is what it's like to go undercover in North Korea | Suki Kim

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翻译人员: Gabriella Hu 校对人员: Li Li
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In 2011, during the final six months of Kim Jong-Il's life,
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2011年,金正日在世的最后6个月期间,
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I lived undercover in North Korea.
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我在朝鲜当卧底
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I was born and raised in South Korea, their enemy.
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我在韩国出生长大,朝鲜的敌国
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I live in America, their other enemy.
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我居住在美国,朝鲜的另一个敌国
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Since 2002, I had visited North Korea a few times.
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自从2002年,我访问朝鲜数次
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And I had come to realize that to write about it with any meaning,
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我认识到,如果要写出它任何的内涵,
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or to understand the place beyond the regime's propaganda,
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或者想要越过政权的宣传,去深度了解这个国度,
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the only option was total immersion.
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唯一的办法就是沉浸其中
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So I posed as a teacher and a missionary
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于是,我充当老师和传教士的角色,
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at an all-male university in Pyongyang.
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生活在平壤的一个全男子大学
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The Pyongyang University of Science and Technology
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平壤科技大学
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was founded by Evangelical Christians who cooperate with the regime
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是福音派基督徒和政权领导人联合创办的
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to educate the sons of the North Korean elite,
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为了教育朝鲜精英的子孙,
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without proselytizing, which is a capital crime there.
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禁止传教,因为在朝鲜这是一个死罪
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The students were 270 young men, expected to be the future leaders
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学校里有270名男生,有望成为未来的领导者
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of the most isolated and brutal dictatorship in existence.
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统治全球最孤立,残酷的独裁国家
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When I arrived, they became my students.
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当我到达时,他们就是我的学生们了
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2011 was a special year,
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2011是非常特殊的一年
01:49
marking the 100th anniversary of the birth of North Korea's original Great Leader,
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因为是朝鲜原伟大领袖,金日成的诞辰
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Kim Il-Sung.
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100周年
01:57
To celebrate the occasion, the regime shut down all universities,
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为了庆祝这个场合,朝鲜政权关闭了所有的大学
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and sent students off to the fields
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并且派学生去实地宣传
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to build the DPRK's much-heralded ideal
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朝鲜大肆赞扬的思想:
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as the world's most powerful and prosperous nation.
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他们是世界上最强大和富强的国家
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My students were the only ones spared from that fate.
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我的学生是唯一幸免的人
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North Korea is a gulag posing as a nation.
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朝鲜是古拉格(前苏联囚禁营),却冒充一个国家
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Everything there is about the Great Leader.
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那里的一切都是赞扬伟大领袖的
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Every book, every newspaper article, every song, every TV program --
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每一本书,每一篇报道,每一首歌,每一个电视节目--
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there is just one subject.
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都只有一个话题
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The flowers are named after him,
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花是以他的名字命名
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the mountains are carved with his slogans.
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山脉上刻着他的口号
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Every citizen wears the badge of the Great Leader at all times.
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每一个市民每时每刻都戴着伟大领袖的徽章
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Even their calendar system begins with the birth of Kim Il-Sung.
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朝鲜的日历甚至都是从金日成的诞辰算起
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The school was a heavily guarded prison, posing as a campus.
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学校就是一个戒备森严的监狱,冒充是一个校园
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Teachers could only leave on group outings accompanied by an official minder.
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老师只能在守卫伴随的团体出游才能离开学校
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Even then, our trips were limited to sanctioned national monuments
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即使是这样,我们的旅行也仅限于被批准的庆祝
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celebrating the Great Leader.
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伟大领袖的国家纪念碑
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The students were not allowed to leave the campus,
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学生不允许离开校园
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or communicate with their parents.
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或者与家长沟通
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Their days were meticulously mapped out, and any free time they had
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每天的安排都是精心计划好的,任何的空闲时间
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was devoted to honoring their Great Leader.
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都被用来纪念他们的伟大领袖
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Lesson plans had to meet the approval of North Korean staff,
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教案都必须被朝鲜部门批准
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every class was recorded and reported on, every room was bugged,
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每节课都被记录汇报,每一个房间都被窃听
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and every conversation, overheard.
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每一个对话都会被人听到
03:42
Every blank space was covered with the portraits of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il,
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每一个空间和间隙都被金日成和金正日的肖像填满
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like everywhere else in North Korea.
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朝鲜的每一个角落都是如此
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We were never allowed to discuss the outside world.
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我们被禁止讨论外面的世界
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As students of science and technology, many of them were computer majors
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作为研究科学和科技的学生,很多主修计算机专业,
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but they did not know the existence of the Internet.
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但是他们却不知道互联网的存在
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They had never heard of Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs.
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他们从未听说过马克·扎克伯格或者史蒂夫·乔布斯
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Facebook, Twitter -- none of those things would have meant a thing.
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脸谱网,推特--他们全然不知
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And I could not tell them.
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我也不能告诉他们
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I went there looking for truth.
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我去那里寻求真相
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But where do you even start when an entire nation's ideology,
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但是你又从何开始呢?当整个国家的思想
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my students' day-to-day realities,
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我的学生的日常面对的现实,
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and even my own position at the universities,
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甚至我在大学的职位
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were all built on lies?
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全都建立在谎言上?
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I started with a game.
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我先和学生们做了一个游戏
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We played "Truth and Lie."
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我们玩 “真相和谎言”
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A volunteer would write a sentence on the chalkboard,
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一个人志愿在黑板上写下一句话,
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and the other students had to guess
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另一个学生需要猜
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whether it was a truth or a lie.
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这句话是真相还是谎言
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Once a student wrote, "I visited China last year on vacation,"
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有一次,我的一个学生写道:“我去年到中国去度假。”
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and everyone shouted, "Lie!"
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每个人都大喊:“说谎!”
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They all knew this wasn't possible.
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他们都知道这是不可能的
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Virtually no North Korean is allowed to leave the country.
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朝鲜人是从来不能离开他们的国家的
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Even traveling within their own country requires a travel pass.
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即使是在朝鲜旅游,也需要一个通行证
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I had hoped that this game would reveal some truth about my students,
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我希望这个游戏能让我看出学生的真面目,
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because they lie so often and so easily,
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因为他们经常轻易地撒谎
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whether about the mythical accomplishments of their Great Leader,
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无论是关于他们伟大领袖的虚构的成就,
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or the strange claim that they cloned a rabbit as fifth graders.
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还是声称他们在五年级克隆了一只兔子
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The difference between truth and lies seemed at times hazy to them.
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真相和谎言的区别对他们来说很含糊
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It took me a while to understand the different types of lies;
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我过了一段时间才能分辨出不同类型的谎言
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they lie to shield their system from the world,
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他们撒谎去隐藏他们的统治系统
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or they were taught lies, and were just regurgitating them.
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有时,他们被灌输谎言,只是重复他们听到的话
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Or, at moments, they lied out of habit.
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或者,有时候,他们习惯性地撒谎
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But if all they have ever known were lies,
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但是如果他们所知道的一切都是谎言,
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how could we expect them to be otherwise?
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我们怎么能指望他们去改变呢?
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Next, I tried to teach them essay writing.
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接下来,我试图教他们写论文
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But that turned out to be nearly impossible.
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但是这几乎不可能
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Essays are about coming up with one's own thesis,
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论文需要每个人构思得出自己的论点
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and making an evidence-based argument to prove it.
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并且运用证据写出论据去证明观点
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These students, however, were simply told what to think,
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然而这些学生的思维从来都是被命令的
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and they obeyed.
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他们也一直服从
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In their world, critical thinking was not allowed.
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在他们的世界里,批判性思维是不允许的
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I also gave them the weekly assignment of writing a personal letter,
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我每周的作业是让他们写一封信,
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to anybody.
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可以写给任何人
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It took a long time, but eventually some of them began to write
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过了很长时间,才有人提笔开始
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to their mothers, their friends, their girlfriends.
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写信给妈妈,朋友,女友
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Although those were just homework,
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尽管这都只是作业,
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and would never reach their intended recipients,
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这些信也从来不会到收件人的手中,
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my students slowly began to reveal their true feelings in them.
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我的学生开始慢慢地展现出他们的内心感受
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They wrote that they were fed up with the sameness of everything.
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他们写道他们对一切的格式化忍无可忍了
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They were worried about their future.
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他们很担心自己的未来
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In those letters, they rarely ever mentioned their Great Leader.
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在那些信中,他们很少提到他们的伟大领袖
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I was spending all of my time with these young men.
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我整天和学生们相处
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We all ate meals together, played basketball together.
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我们一起吃饭,一起打篮球
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I often called them gentlemen, which made them giggle.
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我经常称他们 “绅士”, 这让他们暗笑
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They blushed at the mention of girls.
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他们谈到女生就很害羞
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And I came to adore them.
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我逐渐喜欢我的学生
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And watching them open up even in the tiniest of ways,
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看到他们打开心扉,哪怕就那么一点点,
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was deeply moving.
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都十分地感人
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But something also felt wrong.
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但是总感觉怪怪的
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During those months of living in their world,
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生活在他们的世界中的几个月期间,
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I often wondered if the truth would, in fact, improve their lives.
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我经常在想,知道真相会不会让他们的生活变得更好
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I wanted so much to tell them the truth,
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我十分想告诉他们真相,
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of their country and of the outside world,
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他们的国家以及外面的世界的真相
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where Arab youth were turning their rotten regime inside out,
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阿拉伯青年正在把他们腐败的政权翻得底朝天,
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using the power of social media,
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凭靠着社交媒体的力量,
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where everyone except them was connected through the world wide web,
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除了朝鲜,全世界的人们都通过互联网彼此相连,
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which wasn't worldwide after all.
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终究不是全世界的人能够这样
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But for them, the truth was dangerous.
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但是对他们而言,真相是危险的
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By encouraging them to run after it, I was putting them at risk --
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鼓励他们寻求真相就是把他们处于危险境地--
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of persecution,
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他们可能会遭到迫害,
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of heartbreak.
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他们可能会被痛苦折磨
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When you're not allowed to express anything in the open,
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当你不能随意表达自己的想法时,
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you become good at reading what is unspoken.
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你就会擅长读出潜在的含义
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In one of their personal letters to me, a student wrote that he understood
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在我的一个学生的信件中,他写道他懂得
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why I always called them gentlemen.
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为什么我说他们是 “绅士”,
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It was because I was wishing them to be gentle in life, he said.
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因为我希望他们能平和地面对生活
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On my last day in December of 2011,
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2011年的12月份,我在朝鲜的最后一天,
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the day Kim Jong-Il's death was announced,
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金正日的死讯被公布了,
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their world shattered.
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他们的世界破碎了
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I had to leave without a proper goodbye.
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我没有正式地告别就走了
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But I think they knew how sad I was for them.
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但是我觉得他们知道我为他们感到伤心
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Once, toward the end of my stay, a student said to me,
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在我快要离开之前,一个学生告诉我,
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"Professor, we never think of you as being different from us.
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“老师,我们从来没有认为你和我们是不同的”
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Our circumstances are different, but you're the same as us.
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“我们的境遇不同,但是你和我们都一样”
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We want you to know that we truly think of you as being the same."
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“我们想让您知道我们一直把您看做我们的一份子”
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Today, if I could respond to my students with a letter of my own,
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今天,如果我能写一封信回复我的学生们,
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which is of course impossible,
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当然这是不可能的,
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I would tell them this:
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我会告诉他们:
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"My dear gentlemen,
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“亲爱的绅士们,"
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It's been a bit over three years since I last saw you.
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"我上次见到你们已经是3年前了,"
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And now, you must be 22 -- maybe even as old as 23.
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“现在你们肯定已经过了22,23岁了”
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At our final class, I asked you if there was anything you wanted.
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“在最后一堂课上,我问你们有没有任何想要的东西”
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The only wish you expressed, the only thing you ever asked of me
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你们唯一的心愿,唯一问我的一件事
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in all those months we spent together,
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在我们一起度过的几个月中,
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was for me to speak to you in Korean.
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就是让我用朝鲜语跟你们对话
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Just once.
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就一次
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I was there to teach you English;
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我到那里去教你们英语,
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you knew it wasn't allowed.
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你们知道这是不允许的
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But I understood then, you wanted to share that bond of our mother tongue.
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但是我懂得你们想分享我们母语的纽带
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I called you my gentlemen,
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我称你们为 “绅士”,
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but I don't know if being gentle in Kim Jong-Un's merciless North Korea
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但是我不知道在金正恩统治的残忍的朝鲜,性情温和
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is a good thing.
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是否是一件好事
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I don't want you to lead a revolution --
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我不想你们引领一场革命 --
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let some other young person do it.
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让别的年轻人去做吧
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The rest of the world might casually encourage or even expect
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世界可能会鼓励,甚至期待
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some sort of North Korean Spring,
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朝鲜的跃进
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but I don't want you to do anything risky,
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但是我不希望你们做任何冒险的事,
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because I know in your world, someone is always watching.
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因为我知道在你们的世界里,总有人观察你们的一举一动
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I don't want to imagine what might happen to you.
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我不想去想象你们可能会有怎样的遭遇
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If my attempts to reach you have inspired something new in you,
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如果我所做的事启发了你,
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I would rather you forget me.
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我宁愿你们忘了我
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Become soldiers of your Great Leader, and live long, safe lives.
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成为你们伟大领袖的士兵,生活安稳,长寿
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You once asked me if I thought your city of Pyongyang was beautiful,
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你们曾经问我觉得平壤很美丽吗,
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and I could not answer truthfully then.
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我当时不能如实回答
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But I know why you asked.
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但是我知道你们为什么问这个问题
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I know that it was important for you to hear that I, your teacher,
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我知道这个对你们很重要,要从我,你们的老师的口中,
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the one who has seen the world that you are forbidden from,
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一个能看到你们看不到的世界的人,
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declare your city as the most beautiful.
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听到你们的城市是最美丽的
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I know hearing that would make your lives there a bit more bearable,
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我知道听到这句会让你们的生活更加好受一些
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but no, I don't find your capital beautiful.
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但是,不,我不觉得你们的首都很美丽
11:50
Not because it's monotone and concrete,
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不是因为它的单调无趣或随处可见的混凝土,
11:53
but because of what it symbolizes:
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而是它所象征的意义;
11:55
a monster that feeds off the rest of the country,
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一个侵蚀自己国家的怪兽
12:00
where citizens are soldiers and slaves.
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它的百姓都是士兵和奴隶
12:05
All I see there is darkness.
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我看到的一切都是黑暗的
12:09
But it's your home, so I cannot hate it.
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但是那是你们的家,我不能憎恨它
12:13
And I hope instead that you, my lovely young gentlemen,
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我依旧希望你们,我的绅士们,
12:18
will one day help make it beautiful.
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能有一天使它变得美丽
12:22
Thank you.
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谢谢!
12:24
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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