This is what it's like to go undercover in North Korea | Suki Kim

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2015-06-08 ・ TED


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This is what it's like to go undercover in North Korea | Suki Kim

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Prevoditelj: Maja Covic Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
00:12
In 2011, during the final six months of Kim Jong-Il's life,
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Godine 2011., tijekom zadnjih šest mjeseci Kim Jong-Ilova života,
00:19
I lived undercover in North Korea.
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živjela sam tajno u Sjevernoj Koreji.
00:23
I was born and raised in South Korea, their enemy.
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Rođena sam i odrasla u Južnoj Koreji, njihovom neprijatelju.
00:28
I live in America, their other enemy.
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Živim u Americi, njihovom drugom neprijatelju.
00:32
Since 2002, I had visited North Korea a few times.
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Od 2002. godine posjetila sam Sjevernu Koreju nekoliko puta.
00:36
And I had come to realize that to write about it with any meaning,
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Shvatila sam da ako želim smisleno o njoj pisati,
00:42
or to understand the place beyond the regime's propaganda,
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ili razumijeti tu zemlju izvan konteksta režimske propagande,
00:47
the only option was total immersion.
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jedina opcija bila je da se potpuno uklopim.
00:54
So I posed as a teacher and a missionary
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Pretvarala sam se da sam predavačica i misionarka
00:58
at an all-male university in Pyongyang.
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na muškom sveučilištu u Pjongjangu.
01:06
The Pyongyang University of Science and Technology
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Znanstveno i tehnološko sveučiliše u Pjongjangu
01:10
was founded by Evangelical Christians who cooperate with the regime
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osnovali su evangelisti koji surađuju s režimom
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to educate the sons of the North Korean elite,
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kako bi obrazovali sinove sjevernokorejske elite,
01:21
without proselytizing, which is a capital crime there.
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bez pokušaja da ih preobrate, što se kažnjava smrću.
01:27
The students were 270 young men, expected to be the future leaders
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Tamo je studiralo 270 mladića, koji su trebali biti budući vođe
01:33
of the most isolated and brutal dictatorship in existence.
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najizoliranije i najbrutalnije postojeće diktature.
01:40
When I arrived, they became my students.
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Kada sam stigla, postali su moji studenti.
01:47
2011 was a special year,
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2011. godina bila je posebna,
01:49
marking the 100th anniversary of the birth of North Korea's original Great Leader,
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zbog stote obljetnice rođenja prvotnog sjevernokorejskog Velikog vođe.
01:55
Kim Il-Sung.
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Kim Il-sunga.
01:57
To celebrate the occasion, the regime shut down all universities,
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Kako bi proslavili tu obljetnicu, režim je pozatvarao sva sveučilišta,
02:03
and sent students off to the fields
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i poslao studente na teren,
02:06
to build the DPRK's much-heralded ideal
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da izgrade sjevernokorejski izuzetno naglašavan ideal
02:10
as the world's most powerful and prosperous nation.
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kao najmoćnija i najnaprednija zemlja na svijetu.
02:16
My students were the only ones spared from that fate.
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Jedino su moji studenti bili pošteđeni toga.
02:21
North Korea is a gulag posing as a nation.
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Sjeverna Koreja je gulag koji se predstavlja kao zemlja.
02:26
Everything there is about the Great Leader.
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Tamo se sve vrti jedino oko Velikog vođe.
02:28
Every book, every newspaper article, every song, every TV program --
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Svaka knjiga, novinski članak, pjesma, TV program --
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there is just one subject.
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ima samo jednu temu.
02:35
The flowers are named after him,
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Cvijeće se naziva po njemu,
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the mountains are carved with his slogans.
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njegove slogane urezuju u planine.
02:40
Every citizen wears the badge of the Great Leader at all times.
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Svaki građanin u svakom trenutku nosi bedž Velikog vođe.
02:45
Even their calendar system begins with the birth of Kim Il-Sung.
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Čak im i kalendar počinje rođenjem Kim Il-Sunga.
02:51
The school was a heavily guarded prison, posing as a campus.
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Fakultet je bio dobro čuvan zatvor, kojeg se predstavljalo kao kampus.
02:56
Teachers could only leave on group outings accompanied by an official minder.
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Nastavnici su mogli izlaziti samo u grupama u pratnji službenog čuvara.
03:03
Even then, our trips were limited to sanctioned national monuments
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Čak i tada su naši izlasci bili ograničeni na nacionalne spomenike
03:09
celebrating the Great Leader.
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koji slave Velikog Vođu.
03:12
The students were not allowed to leave the campus,
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Studenti nisu smjeli napuštati kampus,
03:16
or communicate with their parents.
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niti komunicirati s roditeljima.
03:20
Their days were meticulously mapped out, and any free time they had
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Njihovi dani bili su utanko isplanirani, a svako slobodno vrijeme
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was devoted to honoring their Great Leader.
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posvećivalo se čašćenju njihova Velikog vođe.
03:29
Lesson plans had to meet the approval of North Korean staff,
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Nastavne planove moralo je odobriti sjevernokorejsko osoblje,
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every class was recorded and reported on, every room was bugged,
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svaki sat se snimao i podonosio se izvještaj, svaka soba je bila ozvučena,
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and every conversation, overheard.
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a svaki razgovor se presluškivao.
03:42
Every blank space was covered with the portraits of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il,
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Svaki slobodan prostor prekrivao se portretima Kim Il-Sunga i Kim Jong-Ila,
03:48
like everywhere else in North Korea.
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kao i sve ostalo u Sjevernoj Koreji.
03:53
We were never allowed to discuss the outside world.
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Ni u jednom trenu nismo smjeli govoriti o vanjskom svijetu.
03:55
As students of science and technology, many of them were computer majors
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Kao studenti znanosti i tehnologije, mnogima je glavni predmet bio kompjuter
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but they did not know the existence of the Internet.
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no nisu znali da postoji Internet.
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They had never heard of Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs.
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Nikada nisu čuli za Marka Zuckerberga ili Stevea Jobsa.
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Facebook, Twitter -- none of those things would have meant a thing.
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Facebook, Twitter, nijedno od toga im ne bi ništa značilo.
04:14
And I could not tell them.
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A ja im nisam smjela ništa reći.
04:18
I went there looking for truth.
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Otišla sam tamo tražeći istinu.
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But where do you even start when an entire nation's ideology,
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No gdje započeti kada je ideologija cijele nacije,
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my students' day-to-day realities,
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svakodnevnica mojih studenata,
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and even my own position at the universities,
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čak i moj posao na sveučilištu,
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were all built on lies?
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izgrađen na lažima.
04:37
I started with a game.
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Započela sam s igrom.
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We played "Truth and Lie."
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Igrali smo "Istina ili laž".
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A volunteer would write a sentence on the chalkboard,
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Dragovoljac bi napisao rečenicu na ploču,
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and the other students had to guess
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a ostali su morali pogoditi
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whether it was a truth or a lie.
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je li ona istina ili laž.
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Once a student wrote, "I visited China last year on vacation,"
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Jednom prilikom je jedan student napisao da je prethodne godine posjetio Kinu,
04:55
and everyone shouted, "Lie!"
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a svi su uzviknuli da je to laž.
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They all knew this wasn't possible.
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Znali su da je to nemoguće.
05:01
Virtually no North Korean is allowed to leave the country.
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Nijedan sjevernokorejac ne smije napustiti zemlju.
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Even traveling within their own country requires a travel pass.
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Čak im za putovanje unutar zemlje treba putna dozvola.
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I had hoped that this game would reveal some truth about my students,
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Nadala sam se da će ova igra otkriti neku istinu o mojim studentima,
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because they lie so often and so easily,
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jer lažu vrlo često i vrlo lako,
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whether about the mythical accomplishments of their Great Leader,
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bilo da govore o legendarnim postignućima svoga Velikog vođe,
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or the strange claim that they cloned a rabbit as fifth graders.
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ili kako su u petom razredu uspjeli klonirati zeca.
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The difference between truth and lies seemed at times hazy to them.
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Razlika između istine i laži ponekad im nije bila jasna.
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It took me a while to understand the different types of lies;
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Trebalo mi je vremena da shvatim različite vrste laži;
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they lie to shield their system from the world,
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lažu kako bi zaštitili svoj sustav od ostatka svijeta,
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or they were taught lies, and were just regurgitating them.
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ili su ih podučavali lažima, pa su ih oni samo ponavljali.
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Or, at moments, they lied out of habit.
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Ponekad su lagali iz navike.
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But if all they have ever known were lies,
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No, ako je sve što su ikada poznavali laž,
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how could we expect them to be otherwise?
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kako bismo mogli očekivati da su iskreni?
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Next, I tried to teach them essay writing.
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Potom sam ih pokušala podučiti pisanju eseja.
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But that turned out to be nearly impossible.
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To se pokazalo kao gotovo nemoguće.
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Essays are about coming up with one's own thesis,
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Za eseje je bitno smisliti vlastitu tezu,
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and making an evidence-based argument to prove it.
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i dokazati je na temelju činjeničnih argumenata.
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These students, however, were simply told what to think,
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Međutim, tim studentima se govorilo što moraju misliti,
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and they obeyed.
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a oni su tako i činili.
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In their world, critical thinking was not allowed.
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Kritičko razmišljanje nije dozvoljeno u njihovom svijetu.
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I also gave them the weekly assignment of writing a personal letter,
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Kao tjednu zadaću zadavala sam im pisanje osobnih pisama,
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to anybody.
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bilo kome.
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It took a long time, but eventually some of them began to write
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Trebalo je mnogo vremena, no naposljetku su neki od njih počeli pisati
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to their mothers, their friends, their girlfriends.
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svojim majkama, prijateljima i djevojkama.
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Although those were just homework,
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Iako je to bila samo zadaća,
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and would never reach their intended recipients,
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i nikada nije dospjela do primatelja,
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my students slowly began to reveal their true feelings in them.
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moji studenti su pomalo počeli otkrivati svoje prave osjećaje.
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They wrote that they were fed up with the sameness of everything.
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Pisali su kako im je dosta sveopće jednoličnosti.
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They were worried about their future.
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Bili su zabrinuti za svoju budućnost.
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In those letters, they rarely ever mentioned their Great Leader.
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U tim pismima gotovo nikada nisu spominjali svoga Velikog vođu.
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I was spending all of my time with these young men.
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Cijelo svoje vrijeme provodila sam s tim mladićima.
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We all ate meals together, played basketball together.
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Zajedno smo objedovali i igrali košarku.
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I often called them gentlemen, which made them giggle.
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Često sam ih zvala gospodom, zbog čega su se smijuljili.
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They blushed at the mention of girls.
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Pocrvenili bi na spomen djevojaka.
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And I came to adore them.
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Zavoljela sam ih.
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And watching them open up even in the tiniest of ways,
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A gledati ih kako se otvaraju, makar i u najmanjoj mjeri,
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was deeply moving.
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bilo mi je jako dirljivo.
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But something also felt wrong.
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No, činilo se da nešto nije uredu.
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During those months of living in their world,
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Tijekom tih mjeseci života u njihovom svijetu,
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I often wondered if the truth would, in fact, improve their lives.
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često sam se pitala bi li istina poboljšala njihove živote.
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I wanted so much to tell them the truth,
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Silno sam ih željela reći istinu,
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of their country and of the outside world,
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o njihovoj zemlji i vanjskom svijetu,
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where Arab youth were turning their rotten regime inside out,
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gdje je arapska mladež preokretala cijeli truli režimski poredak,
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using the power of social media,
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koristeći se društvenim mrežama,
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where everyone except them was connected through the world wide web,
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gdje su svi izuzev njih bili povezani globalnom mrežom,
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which wasn't worldwide after all.
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što znači da i nije globalna.
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But for them, the truth was dangerous.
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No za njih je istina bila opasna.
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By encouraging them to run after it, I was putting them at risk --
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Ohrabrujući ih da tragaju za njom, izlagala sam ih opasnosti
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of persecution,
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od progona,
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of heartbreak.
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i od slomljenog srca.
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When you're not allowed to express anything in the open,
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Kada vam je zabranjeno išta otvoreno izražavati,
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you become good at reading what is unspoken.
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postanete dobri u čitanju neizgovorenog.
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In one of their personal letters to me, a student wrote that he understood
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U jednom osobnom pismu upućenom meni, student je napisao kako razumije
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why I always called them gentlemen.
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zašto ih uvijek zovem gospodom.
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It was because I was wishing them to be gentle in life, he said.
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Zato što sam željela da budu nježni (gentle) u životu.
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On my last day in December of 2011,
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Mog posljednjeg dana u prosincu 2011.
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the day Kim Jong-Il's death was announced,
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bila je objavljena smrt Kim Jong-Ila,
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their world shattered.
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i njegov svijet se srušio.
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I had to leave without a proper goodbye.
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Morala sam otići bez pravog oproštaja.
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But I think they knew how sad I was for them.
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No vjerujem da su znali koliko sam bila žalosna zbog njih.
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Once, toward the end of my stay, a student said to me,
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Jednom, pred kraj mog boravka, jedan student mi je rekao,
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"Professor, we never think of you as being different from us.
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"Profesorice, mi nikada ne mislimo da ste drukčiji od nas.
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Our circumstances are different, but you're the same as us.
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Naše su okolnosti drukčije, ali vi ste isti kao i mi.
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We want you to know that we truly think of you as being the same."
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Želimo da znate da vas zaista smatramo jednakima nama."
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Today, if I could respond to my students with a letter of my own,
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Ako bih im danas mogla odgovoriti svojim pismom,
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which is of course impossible,
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što naravno nije moguće,
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I would tell them this:
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rekla bih im ovo:
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"My dear gentlemen,
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"Draga moja gospodo,
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It's been a bit over three years since I last saw you.
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prošlo je više od tri godine od kad sam vas zadnji put vidjela.
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And now, you must be 22 -- maybe even as old as 23.
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Sada imate 22 ili čak 23 godine.
10:00
At our final class, I asked you if there was anything you wanted.
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Na našem zadnjem satu, pitala sam vas želite li išta.
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The only wish you expressed, the only thing you ever asked of me
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Jedina vaša želja, jedina stvar koju ste me ikada pitali,
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in all those months we spent together,
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tijekom svih tih zajedničkih mjeseci,
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was for me to speak to you in Korean.
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bila je da vam se obratim na korejskom.
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Just once.
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Samo jednom.
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I was there to teach you English;
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Bila sam tamo da vas podučim engleski;
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you knew it wasn't allowed.
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znali ste da to nije bilo dozvoljeno.
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But I understood then, you wanted to share that bond of our mother tongue.
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No shvatila sam tada da želite podijeliti tu posebnu vezu našeg materinjeg jezika.
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I called you my gentlemen,
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Zvala sam vas gospodom,
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but I don't know if being gentle in Kim Jong-Un's merciless North Korea
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no ne znam je li nježnost u nemilosrdnoj Sjevernoj Koreji Kim Jong-Ila
10:37
is a good thing.
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dobra stvar.
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I don't want you to lead a revolution --
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Ne želim da vodite revoluciju,
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let some other young person do it.
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prepustite to nekim drugim mladim ljudima.
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The rest of the world might casually encourage or even expect
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Ostatak svijeta može ležerno poticati ili čak očekivati
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some sort of North Korean Spring,
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neku vrstu sjevernokorejskog proljeća,
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but I don't want you to do anything risky,
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ali ja ne želim da napravite išta riskantno,
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because I know in your world, someone is always watching.
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jer znam da u vašem svijetu netko uvijek promatra.
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I don't want to imagine what might happen to you.
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Ne želim ni zamisliti što bi vam se moglo dogoditi.
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If my attempts to reach you have inspired something new in you,
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Ako su moji pokušaji da doprem do vas u vama potaknuli nešto novo,
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I would rather you forget me.
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radije bih da me zaboravite.
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Become soldiers of your Great Leader, and live long, safe lives.
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Postanite vojnici vašeg Velikog Vođe, i živite dug i sretan život.
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You once asked me if I thought your city of Pyongyang was beautiful,
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Jednom ste me pitali smatram li vaš grad Pjongjang predivnim,
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and I could not answer truthfully then.
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i tada vam nisam mogla iskreno odgovoriti.
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But I know why you asked.
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Znam zašto ste to pitali.
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I know that it was important for you to hear that I, your teacher,
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Znam da vam je bilo bitno čuti da ja, vaša učiteljica,
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the one who has seen the world that you are forbidden from,
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koja sam vidjela svijet koji vam je zabranjen,
11:35
declare your city as the most beautiful.
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smatram vaš grad najljepšim.
11:41
I know hearing that would make your lives there a bit more bearable,
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Znam da bi vam to učinilo tamnošnji život podnošljivijim,
11:46
but no, I don't find your capital beautiful.
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ali ne, ne mislim da vam je grad predivan.
11:50
Not because it's monotone and concrete,
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Ne zato što je monoton i izbetoniran,
11:53
but because of what it symbolizes:
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već zbog toga što on predstavlja:
11:55
a monster that feeds off the rest of the country,
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čudovište koje se hrani ostatkom zemlje,
12:00
where citizens are soldiers and slaves.
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gdje su građani vojnici i robovi.
12:05
All I see there is darkness.
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Jedino što tamo vidim je tama.
12:09
But it's your home, so I cannot hate it.
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No to je vaš dom, tako da ga ne mogu mrziti.
12:13
And I hope instead that you, my lovely young gentlemen,
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Umjesto toga se nadam da ćete vi, moja draga gospoda,
12:18
will one day help make it beautiful.
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jednoga dana pridonijeti tome da je on predivan."
12:22
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
12:24
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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