The world needs all kinds of minds | Temple Grandin

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Traducător: Traian Pop Corector: Laszlo Kereszturi
00:15
I think I'll start out and just talk a little bit
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Cred ca voi incepe prin a vorbi un pic despre
ce inseamna autismul mai exact.
00:18
about what exactly autism is.
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00:19
Autism is a very big continuum
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Autismul este un continuum foarte mare
00:22
that goes from very severe -- the child remains nonverbal --
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care merge de la o extrema foarte severa, in care copilul ramane non-verbal,
00:25
all the way up to brilliant scientists and engineers.
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si pana la cealalta extrema, unde intalnim oameni de stiinta si ingineri stralucitori.
00:28
And I actually feel at home here,
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De fapt, ma simt foarte comfortabil aici.
00:30
because there's a lot of autism genetics here.
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Pentru ca exista foarte mult material genetic autistic aici.
00:32
(Laughter)
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N-ati avea nici...
00:33
You wouldn't have any --
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(Aplauze)
00:35
(Applause)
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00:38
It's a continuum of traits.
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Este un spectru continuu de trasaturi.
00:40
When does a nerd turn into Asperger, which is just mild autism?
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Cand se transforma un ciudat intr-o persoana cu
Asperger, care este o forma usoara de autism?
00:45
I mean, Einstein and Mozart and Tesla would all be probably diagnosed
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Vreau sa spun ca Einstein si Mozart
si Tesla, toti ar fi fost probabil diagnosticati in ziua de azi
00:50
as autistic spectrum today.
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ca fiind autisti.
00:52
And one of the things that is really going to concern me
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Iar unul din lucrurile care ma preocupa cu adevarat este
cum sa ii facem pe acesti copii sa fie cei care vor inventa
00:56
is getting these kids to be the ones
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00:58
that are going to invent the next energy things
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lucrurile legate de energia viitorului,
despre care Bill Gates a vorbit azi dimineata.
01:01
that Bill Gates talked about this morning.
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01:04
OK, now, if you want to understand autism: animals.
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Bun. Acum, daca vreti sa intelegeti
autismul, animalele.
01:07
I want to talk to you now about different ways of thinking.
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Si vreau sa va vorbesc despre diverse moduri de gandire.
01:10
You have to get away from verbal language.
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Trebuie sa va indepartati de limbajul verbal.
01:13
I think in pictures. I don't think in language.
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Eu gandesc in imagini.
Eu nu gandesc in cuvinte.
01:18
Now, the thing about the autistic mind is it attends to details.
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Acum, ideea cu mintea autistica
este ca se concentreaza pe detalii.
01:23
This is a test where you either have to pick out the big letters
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Bun, acesta este un test unde trebuie fie sa
alegi literele mari, fie sa alegi literele mai mici.
01:26
or the little letters,
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01:27
and the autistic mind picks out the little letters more quickly.
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Iar mintea autistica alege
literele mai mici mult mai repede.
01:31
And the thing is, the normal brain ignores the details.
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Ideea este ca un creier normal ignora detaliile.
01:35
Well, if you're building a bridge, details are pretty important
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Acum, daca vrei sa construiesti un pod, detaliile sunt importante
pentru ca podul se va darama daca ignori detaliile.
01:38
because it'll fall down if you ignore the details.
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Una din marile mele framantari legate de politicile din ziua astazi
01:41
And one of my big concerns with a lot of policy things today
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este ca lucrurile tind sa devina prea abstracte.
01:44
is things are getting too abstract.
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01:45
People are getting away from doing hands-on stuff.
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Oamenii se indeparteaza de
lucrul manual.
01:49
I'm really concerned that a lot of the schools
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Sunt ingrijorata ca o multime de scoli au eliminat
01:51
have taken out the hands-on classes, because art, and classes like that --
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orele de lucru manual
findca orele de arta si altele similare
01:55
those are the classes where I excelled.
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au fost orele la care am fost foarte buna.
01:57
In my work with cattle,
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OK, in munca mea cu vitele,
01:59
I noticed a lot of little things that most people don't notice
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am observat ca o multime de lucruri marunte pe care majoritatea oamenilor nu le sesizeaza.
02:02
would make the cattle balk.
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le fac pe vite sa se opreasca. Cum ar fi de exemplu
02:04
For example, this flag waving right in front of the veterinary facility.
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aces steag care flutura chiar in fata clinicii veterinare.
02:07
This feed yard was going to tear down their whole veterinary facility;
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Ei se gandeau sa demoleze intreaga cladire veterinara,
02:10
all they needed to do was move the flag.
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cand tot ce a fost nevoie sa se faca a fost sa se mute steagul.
02:12
Rapid movement, contrast.
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Miscare rapida, contrast.
02:14
In the early '70s when I started, I got right down in the chutes
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La inceputul anilor '70, cand am inceput, intram direct
in canalele acestea ca sa vad ce vedeau vitele.
02:18
to see what cattle were seeing.
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02:19
People thought that was crazy.
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Oamenii credeau ca sunt nebuna. O simpla haina pe un gard le facea pe vite sa se opreasca si sa nu mai inainteze.
02:21
A coat on a fence would make them balk, shadows would make them balk,
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Umbrele le faceau sa se opreasca, un furtun pe podea.
02:24
a hose on the floor -- people weren't noticing these things.
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Oamenii nu observau aceste lucruri,
02:27
A chain hanging down ...
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un lant atarnand,
02:28
And that's shown very, very nicely in the movie.
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si totul este prezentat foarte frumos in film.
02:31
In fact, I loved the movie, how they duplicated all my projects.
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Chiar mi-a placut ca in film au
replicat toate proiectele mele. Aceea este
02:34
That's the geek side.
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Schitele mele au aparut si ele in film.
02:36
My drawings got to star in the movie, too.
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02:38
And, actually, it's called "Temple Grandin,"
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Iar filmul se cheama de fapt "Temple Grandin",
02:40
not "Thinking in Pictures."
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si nu "Gandind in imagini".
02:42
So what is thinking in pictures?
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Deci, ce inseamna sa gandesti in imagini? Pur si simplu inseamna
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It's literally movies in your head.
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sa ai filme in capul tau.
02:46
My mind works like Google for images.
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Mintea mea functioneaza ca un Google pentru imagini.
Cand eram copil nu stiam ca modul meu de gandire este diferit-
02:49
When I was a young kid, I didn't know my thinking was different.
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Credeam ca toata lumea gandeste in imagini.
02:52
I thought everybody thought in pictures.
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Iar apoi cand am scris cartea, "Gandind in imagini",
02:54
Then when I did my book, "Thinking in Pictures,"
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Am inceput sa iau interviuri oamenilor in legatura cu modul in care ei gandesc.
02:56
I started interviewing people about how they think.
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02:58
And I was shocked to find out that my thinking was quite different.
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Si am fost socata sa aflu ca modul meu de gandire
era destul de diferit. De exemplu, daca as spune,
03:02
Like if I say, "Think about a church steeple,"
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"Ganditi-va la turnul unei biserici"
03:04
most people get this sort of generalized generic one.
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cei mai mult oameni se gandesc la unul foarte generic.
03:06
Now, maybe that's not true in this room,
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Acum, poate nu e adevarat pentru sala aceasta,
03:08
but it's going to be true in a lot of different places.
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dar e adevarat pentru o gramada de alte locuri.
03:12
I see only specific pictures.
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Eu vad doar imagini specifice.
03:14
They flash up into my memory, just like Google for pictures.
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Imi apar din memorie, exact ca in Google pentru imagini.
03:18
And in the movie, they've got a great scene in there,
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Iar in film, exista o secventa nemaipomenita,
unde cuvantul "pantof" este spus, iar eu imi imaginez
03:21
where the word "shoe" is said, and a whole bunch of '50s and '60s shoes
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03:24
pop into my imagination.
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o gramada de pantofi din anii '50 si '60
03:26
OK, there's my childhood church; that's specific.
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OK, exista biserica mea din copilarie.
Asta e ceva specific. Inca una, Fort Collins.
03:29
There's some more, Fort Collins.
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03:31
OK, how about famous ones?
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OK, ce spuneti de cele faimoase?
03:33
And they just kind of come up, kind of like this.
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Si pur si simplu imi apar in minte, in genul acesta.
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Just really quickly, like Google for pictures.
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Foarte repede, ca Google pentru imagini.
03:39
And they come up one at a time,
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Si imi apar una cate una.
03:40
and then I think, "OK, well, maybe we can have it snow,
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Iar apoi ma gandesc, bine, poate am putea avea niste zapada,
03:43
or we can have a thunderstorm,"
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sau o furtuna cu fulgere si tunete,
03:45
and I can hold it there and turn them into videos.
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si le pot mentine acolo si transforma in filme.
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Now, visual thinking was a tremendous asset
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Acum, gandirea vizuala a fost un lucru nemaipomenit de care am beneficiat
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in my work designing cattle-handling facilities.
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in munca mea de proiectare a cladirilor pentru procesarea vitelor.
03:54
And I've worked really hard on improving how cattle are treated
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Si am lucrat din greu pentru a imbunatati
modul in care vitele sunt tratate in abator.
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at the slaughter plant.
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Nu va voi prezenta nici o imagine gretoasa de la abator.
03:59
I'm not going to go into any gucky slaughter slides.
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04:01
I've got that stuff up on YouTube, if you want to look at it.
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Puteti gasi pe Youtube tot ce am pus acolo daca sunteti interesati.
Dar, unul din lucrurile de care eram capabila in munca mea de proiectare
04:04
(Laughter)
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04:05
But one of the things that I was able to do in my design work
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era sa efectuez efectiv un test mental
04:08
is I could test-run a piece of equipment in my mind,
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al unei piese de echipament,
04:11
just like a virtual reality computer system.
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asa cum ar face-o un sistem computerizat de realitate virtuala.
04:14
And this is an aerial view of a recreation of one of my projects
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Iar aceasta este o vedere aeriana
a unei reproduceri dupa unul din proiectele mele care a fost folosit in film.
04:18
that was used in the movie.
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04:19
That was like just so super cool.
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A fost pur si simplu "super cool".
04:21
And there were a lot of, kind of, Asperger types and autism types
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Si erau o gramada de persoane cu Asperger,
si cu autism, care lucrau si ei acolo pe platoul de filmare.
04:25
working out there on the movie set, too.
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(Rasete)
04:27
(Laughter)
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04:28
But one of the things that really worries me is:
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Dar unul dintre lucrurile care ma ingrijoreaza,
este directia in care se vor duce tinerii cu astfel de afectiuni in ziua de azi.
04:31
Where's the younger version of those kids going today?
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04:34
They're not ending up in Silicon Valley,
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Nu vor ajunge in Silicon Valley, acolo unde le este locul.
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where they belong.
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(Rasete)
04:38
(Laughter)
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04:40
(Applause)
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(Aplauze)
04:45
One of the things I learned very early on because I wasn't that social,
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Acum, unul din lucrurile pe care le-am invatat foarte devreme pentru ca nu eram prea sociala
04:48
is I had to sell my work, and not myself.
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a fost ca a trebuit sa imi promovez munca si nu persoana.
04:52
And the way I sold livestock jobs is I showed off my drawings,
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Iar modul in care mi-am vandut proiectele pentru vite
a fost ca mi-am aratat desenele, am aratat imagini cu aceste lucruri.
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I showed off pictures of things.
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04:57
Another thing that helped me as a little kid
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Un alt lucru ce m-a ajutat ca mic copil
04:59
is, boy, in the '50s, you were taught manners.
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a fost ca in anii '50 erai invatata bunele maniere.
05:01
You were taught you can't pull the merchandise off the shelves
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Erai invatata ca nu puteai sa iei marfa depe rafturi
din magazin si sa o arunci in jur.
05:05
in the store and throw it around.
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Acum, cand copiii ajung in clasa a 3-a sau a 4-a,
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When kids get to be in third or fourth grade,
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05:08
you might see that this kid's going to be a visual thinker,
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probabil vei observa ca acel copil va deveni un ganditor vizual,
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drawing in perspective.
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desenand in perspectiva. Acum, doresc sa
05:13
Now, I want to emphasize
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subliniez ca nu orice copil autistic
05:14
that not every autistic kid is going to be a visual thinker.
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va deveni un ganditor vizual.
05:17
Now, I had this brain scan done several years ago,
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Acum, am avut aceasta tomografie a creierului in urma cu cativa ani,
05:21
and I used to joke around about having a gigantic Internet trunk line
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si obisnuiam sa glumesc ca aveam
o linie gigantica de internet
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going deep into my visual cortex.
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conectata adanc in cortexul meu vizual.
05:27
This is tensor imaging.
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Aceasta este imagine vectoriala.
05:29
And my great big Internet trunk line is twice as big as the control's.
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Iar linia mea mareata de internet
este de doua ori mai mare decat cea a persoanei de referinta.
05:33
The red lines there are me,
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Liniile rosii sunt ale mele,
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and the blue lines are the sex and age-matched control.
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iar cele albastre sunt pentru comparatii cu subiecti de aceeasi varsta si sex.
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And there I got a gigantic one,
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Iar aici am avut una gigantica,
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and the control over there, the blue one, has got a really small one.
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iar persoana de referinta, cea albastra,
are una foarte mica.
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And some of the research now is showing
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Si exista studii care arata
05:49
that people on the spectrum actually think with the primary visual cortex.
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ca persoanele din spectul autismului gandesc de fapt cu cotexul vizual primar.
05:53
Now, the thing is, the visual thinker is just one kind of mind.
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Acum insa, ganditorul vizual reprezinta doar unul din tipurile mentale.
05:56
You see, the autistic mind tends to be a specialist mind --
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Vedeti dumneavoastra, mintea autistica tinde sa fie o minte specializata.
05:59
good at one thing, bad at something else.
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Buna la ceva, rea la altceva.
06:03
And where I was bad was algebra.
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Iar eu am stat foarte prost la algebra. Si nu am fost niciodata
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And I was never allowed to take geometry or trig.
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lasata sa invat geometrie sau trigonometrie.
06:07
Gigantic mistake.
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Greseala gigantica. Descopar o gramada de copii care au nevoie sa sara peste algebra
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I'm finding a lot of kids who need to skip algebra,
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06:10
go right to geometry and trig.
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si sa treaca direct la geometrie si trigonometrie.
06:12
Now, another kind of mind is the pattern thinker.
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Acum, un alt tip mental este ganditorul in tipare.
06:15
More abstract.
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Mult mai abstract. Acestia sunt inginerii dumneavoastra,
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These are your engineers, your computer programmers.
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programatorii dumneavoastra pe calculator.
06:19
This is pattern thinking.
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Acum, aceasta este gandirea in tipare. Acea calugarita
06:20
That praying mantis is made from a single sheet of paper --
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este creata dintr-o singura foaie de hartie.
06:23
no scotch tape, no cuts.
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fara banda adeziva, fara taieturi.
06:25
And there in the background is the pattern for folding it.
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Iar in fundal se afla tiparul pentru obtinerea ei.
06:28
Here are the types of thinking:
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Iata tipurile de gandire,
06:30
photo-realistic visual thinkers, like me;
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ganditori vizuali, ca si mine.
06:33
pattern thinkers, music and math minds.
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Ganditori in tipare, minti de muzicieni si matematicieni.
06:37
Some of these oftentimes have problems with reading.
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Unii dintre acestia au probleme cu cititul.
06:39
You also will see these kind of problems with kids that are dyslexic.
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Puteti gasi astfel de probleme si la
copii care sunt dislexici.
06:44
You'll see these different kinds of minds.
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Puteti gasi toate aceste tipuri diferite de gandire.
06:46
And then there's a verbal mind, they know every fact about everything.
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Iar apoi exista si gandirea verbal. Acestia stiu orice detaliu despre tot.
Acum, un alt lucru sunt aspectele senzoriale.
06:50
Now, another thing is the sensory issues.
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Am fost foarte ingrijorata cand a trebuit sa port microfonul acesta pe fata.
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I was really concerned about having to wear this gadget on my face.
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06:55
And I came in half an hour beforehand
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Si am sosit cu jumatate de ora inainte
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so I could have it put on and kind of get used to it,
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ca sa il port si sa ma obisnuiesc cu el.
07:00
and they got it bent so it's not hitting my chin.
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Si l-au indoit ca sa nu ma loveasca in barbie.
07:03
But sensory is an issue.
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Dar senzorii sunt o problema. Unii copii sunt deranjati de lampi fluorescente;
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Some kids are bothered by fluorescent lights;
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others have problems with sound sensitivity.
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altii au probleme cu senzitivitatea la sunete.
07:09
You know, it's going to be variable.
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Stiti, variaza de la caz la caz.
07:12
Now, visual thinking gave me a whole lot of insight
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Acum, gandirea vizuala mi-a oferit destula perspectiva
07:16
into the animal mind.
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in modul de gandire al animalelor.
07:18
Because think about it: an animal is a sensory-based thinker,
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Si iata de ce. Un animal gandeste pe baza senzatiilor,
07:21
not verbal -- thinks in pictures, thinks in sounds, thinks in smells.
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nu este verbal. Gandeste in imagini.
Gandeste in sunete. Gandeste in mirosuri.
07:28
Think about how much information there is on the local fire hydrant.
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Imaginati-va cata informatie se afla pe hidrantul de pe strada.
07:31
He knows who's been there --
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Stie cine a fost acolo, cand a fost acolo,
07:32
(Laughter)
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07:33
When they were there.
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daca este prieten sau dusman, daca este cineva cu care se va imperechea.
07:35
Are they friend or foe? Is there anybody he can go mate with?
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07:37
There's a ton of information on that fire hydrant.
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Exista o tona de informatii pe acel hidrant.
07:40
It's all very detailed information.
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Si este o informatie foarte detaliata.
07:43
And looking at these kind of details gave me a lot of insight into animals.
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Iar, uitandu-ma la toate aceste feluri de detalii
am obtinut foarte multa intelegere in lumea animalelor.
07:48
Now, the animal mind, and also my mind,
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Acum, mintea unui animal, ca si mintea mea
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puts sensory-based information into categories.
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aseaza informatia senzoriala
in categorii.
07:56
Man on a horse,
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Om calare pe un cal,
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and a man on the ground --
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si om la pamant,
08:00
that is viewed as two totally different things.
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aceste situatii sunt plasate in categorii diferite.
08:02
You could have a horse that's been abused by a rider.
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Ai putea avea un cal care a fost abuzat de un calaret.
08:05
They'll be absolutely fine with the veterinarian
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Astfel de cai nu ar avea absolut nimic cu un doctor veterinar,
08:07
and with the horseshoer, but you can't ride him.
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sau cu un potcovar, insa nimeni nu l-ar putea calari.
08:10
You have another horse, where maybe the horseshoer beat him up,
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Ai putea avea un cal pe care probabil potcovarul l-a batut,
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and he'll be terrible for anything on the ground with the veterinarian,
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si ar avea mari probleme cu oricine aflat pe pamant,
cu un veterinar de exemplu, dar o persoana l-ar putea calari.
08:17
but a person can ride him.
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Vitele sunt la fel.
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Cattle are the same way.
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Man on a horse, a man on foot -- they're two different things.
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Om calare pe un cal,
un om mergand pe jos, doua lucruri diferite.
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You see, it's a different picture.
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Intelegeti, este o imagine diferita.
08:26
See, I want you to think about just how specific this is.
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Intelegeti, vreau sa va ganditi cat de specifice sunt aceste detalii.
08:29
Now, this ability to put information into categories,
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Acum, aceasta abilitate de a pune informatia in categorii,
08:33
I find a lot of people are not very good at this.
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aflu ca o gramada de oameni nu sunt prea buni la asa ceva.
08:36
When I'm out troubleshooting equipment
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Cand merg pe teren sa diagnostichez utilaje
08:38
or problems with something in a plant,
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sau probleme cu ceva in vreo fabrica,
08:40
they don't seem to be able to figure out:
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oamenii se pare ca nu isi dau seama: "Avem probleme cu personalul, cu oamenii?
08:42
"Do I have a training-people issue?
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Or do I have something wrong with the equipment?"
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Sau avem probleme cu utilajul?"
08:46
In other words, categorize equipment problem from a people problem.
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Cu alte cuvinte, trebuie distins intre probleme de utilaj
si probleme cu oamenii care il folosesc.
08:50
I find a lot of people have difficulty doing that.
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Si aflu ca multi oameni au mari greutati sa faca asa ceva.
08:53
Now, let's say I figure out it's an equipment problem.
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Acum, sa presupunem ca aflu ca este o problema cu utilajul.
08:56
Is it a minor problem, with something simple I can fix?
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Este o problema minora, cu ceva simplu pe care il pot repara?
Sau este o problema cu intregul proiect al sistemului?
08:59
Or is the whole design of the system wrong?
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People have a hard time figuring that out.
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Oamenii au mari probleme sa inteleaga asa ceva.
09:04
Let's just look at something like, you know,
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Haideti sa ne uitam la ceva gen, stiti,
09:06
solving problems with making airlines safer.
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cum sa facem liniile aeriene mai sigure.
09:08
Yeah, I'm a million-mile flier.
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Da, am zburat mai mult de 1 milion de mile.
09:10
I do lots and lots of flying,
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Zbor foarte mult,
09:12
and if I was at the FAA,
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si daca as fi fost in FAA,
09:15
what would I be doing a lot of direct observation of?
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pe ce mi-as concentra majoritatea observatiilor?
09:19
It would be their airplane tails.
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Pe cozile avioanelor.
09:21
You know, five fatal wrecks in the last 20 years,
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Stiti, 5 accidente fatale in ultimii 20 de ani,
09:24
the tail either came off,
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fie coada s-a rupt, sau mecanismul de control din interior s-a rupt
09:26
or steering stuff inside the tail broke in some way.
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in vreun fel.
09:30
It's tails, pure and simple.
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Pur si simplu, sunt cozile de vina.
09:32
And when the pilots walk around the plane, guess what?
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Iar cand pilotii inspecteaza avionul, ghiciti ce? Ei nu pot sa vada
09:34
They can't see that stuff inside the tail.
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ce este in interiorul cozii.
09:36
Now as I think about that,
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Stiti, cum stau acum si ma gandesc,
09:38
I'm pulling up all of that specific information.
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extrag toata acea informatia specifica din memorie.
09:41
It's specific.
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Este specifica. Asa ca intelegeti, gandirea mea este de jos in sus.
09:42
See, my thinking's bottom-up.
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I take all the little pieces and I put the pieces together like a puzzle.
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Iau toate aceste piese mici si le pun impreuna ca intr-un puzzle.
09:48
Now, here is a horse that was deathly afraid of black cowboy hats.
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Acum, iata un cal caruia ii era frica de moarte
de palarii negre de cowbow.
09:51
He'd been abused by somebody with a black cowboy hat.
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Fusese maltratat de cineva cu o palarie neagra de cowbow.
09:54
White cowboy hats, that was absolutely fine.
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Palarii albe de cowboy, cu ele nu avea nimic.
09:57
Now, the thing is, the world is going to need
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Acum, chestia este, lumea va avea nevoie
10:00
all of the different kinds of minds to work together.
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de toate tipurile de gandire
sa lucreze impreuna.
10:04
We've got to work on developing all these different kinds of minds.
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Va trebui sa lucram sa dezvoltam toate aceste tipuri de gandire.
10:07
And one of the things that is driving me really crazy
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Iar unul dintre lucrurile ce pur si simplu ma scoate din sarite,
10:10
as I travel around and I do autism meetings,
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in timp ce calatoresc si merg la prezentari de autism,
10:12
is I'm seeing a lot of smart, geeky, nerdy kids,
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este ca vad o gramada de copii destepti si ciudati.
10:15
and they just aren't very social,
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Iar singura lor problema este ca nu sunt prea sociali.
10:18
and nobody's working on developing their interest
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Si nimeni nu lucreaza sa le dezvolte interesul
in ceva cum ar fi stiinta.
10:21
in something like science.
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10:22
And this brings up the whole thing of my science teacher.
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Iar asta imi aminteste toata povestea cu profesorul meu de stiinte naturale.
10:25
My science teacher is shown absolutely beautifully in the movie.
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Profesorul meu de stiinte naturale este prezentat nemaipomenit de frumos in film.
10:28
I was a goofball student when I was in high school.
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Eram o eleva aiurita. Cand eram in liceu
nu imi pasa deloc sa invat,
10:31
I just didn't care at all about studying,
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10:33
until I had Mr. Carlock's science class.
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pana cand am avut ore de stiinte naturale cu domnul Carlock.
10:36
He was now Dr. Carlock in the movie.
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El care este acum Dr. Carlock in film.
10:39
And he got me challenged to figure out an optical illusion room.
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El a fost cel care m-a provocat
sa inteleg o camera de iluzii optice.
10:45
This brings up the whole thing of you've got to show kids
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Asta aduce in prim plan faptul ca trebuie sa le arati copiilor
10:47
interesting stuff.
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lucruri interesante.
10:49
You know, one of the things that I think maybe TED ought to do
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Stiti, unul din lucrurile pe care TED ar trebui sa le faca
10:52
is tell all the schools about all the great lectures that are on TED,
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este sa spuna tuturor scolilor despre prezentarile nemaipomenite care sunt la TED,
si exista o multime de lucruri nemaipomenite pe internet
10:56
and there's all kinds of great stuff on the Internet
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care sa le trezeasca interesul acestor copiilor.
10:58
to get these kids turned on.
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Pentru ca vad o multime de astfel de copii inteligenti
11:00
Because I'm seeing a lot of these geeky, nerdy kids,
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11:02
and the teachers out in the Midwest and other parts of the country
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iar profesorii in alte parti ale tarii
11:05
when you get away from these tech areas,
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departe de aceste zone tehnologice
11:07
they don't know what to do with these kids.
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ei nu stiu ce sa faca cu acesti copii.
11:09
And they're not going down the right path.
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Si nu merg pe calea care trebuie.
11:11
The thing is, you can make a mind
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Ideea este, poti face o minte
11:13
to be more of a thinking and cognitive mind,
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sa fie mai ganditoare sau mai cognitiva.
11:16
or your mind can be wired to be more social.
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Sau mintea ta poate fi facuta sa fie mai sociala.
11:18
And what some of the research now has shown in autism
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Iar ceea ce ne arata acum niste studii despre autism,
11:21
is there may by extra wiring back here in the really brilliant mind,
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este ca avem o gramada de circuite extra aici,
in mintea super stralucitoare, si ca avem mai putine circuite sociale aici.
11:25
and we lose a few social circuits here.
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Este un fel de compromis intre gandire si partea sociala.
11:27
It's kind of a trade-off between thinking and social.
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11:30
And then you can get to the point where it's so severe,
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Si poti ajunge la punctul in care totul este atat de sever
11:32
you're going to have a person that's going to be non-verbal.
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incat vei avea parte de o persoana care va fi non-verbala.
11:35
In the normal human mind,
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11:37
language covers up the visual thinking we share with animals.
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limbajul acopera gandirea vizuala pe care o avem in comun cu animalele.
11:40
This is the work of Dr. Bruce Miller.
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Aceasta este munca doctorului Bruce Miller.
El a studiat pacienti cu Alzheimer
11:44
He studied Alzheimer's patients that had frontal temporal lobe dementia.
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care au suferit de dementa lobului frontal temporal.
11:48
And the dementia ate out the language parts of the brain.
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Iar dementa le-a mancat din partile de limbaj ale creierului,
11:51
And then this artwork came out of somebody
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iar aceasta opera de arta a fost produsa de cineva care obisnuia sa instaleze sisteme stereo in autoturisme.
11:53
who used to install stereos in cars.
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11:56
Now, Van Gogh doesn't know anything about physics,
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Acum, Van Gogh nu stia nimic despre fizica.
12:00
but I think it's very interesting that there was some work done
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Dar este foarte interesant
ca exista niste studii ce arata ca
12:03
to show that this eddy pattern in this painting
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acest vartej in pictura sa
12:06
followed a statistical model of turbulence,
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respecta un model statistic de turbulenta.
12:09
which brings up the whole interesting idea
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Ceea ce ne duce la toata aceasta idee interesanta
12:11
of maybe some of this mathematical patterns is in our own head.
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ca poate o parte din aceste tipare matematice
exista in propriul tau cap.
12:15
And the Wolfram stuff --
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Si lucrurile despre Wolfram pentru care luam
12:17
I was taking notes and writing down all the search words I could use,
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notite si scriam toate
cuvintele cheie de cautare pe care le-as putea folosi
12:21
because I think that's going to go on in my autism lectures.
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deoarece cred ca vor fi puse in prezentarile mele despre autism.
12:25
We've got to show these kids interesting stuff.
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Trebuie sa le aratam acestor copii lucruri interesante.
12:27
And they've taken out the auto-shop class
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Iar ei au eliminat orele de mecanica auto
12:29
and the drafting class and the art class.
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si de lucru manual, si de arte.
12:31
I mean, art was my best subject in school.
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Vreau sa spun ca artele erau subiectul meu preferat la scoala.
12:34
We've got to think about all these different kinds of minds,
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Trebuie sa ne gandim la toate aceste feluri diferite de gandire.
Si trebuie sa lucram neaparat cu aceste feluri de gandire,
12:37
and we've got to absolutely work with these kind of minds,
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12:39
because we absolutely are going to need
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pentru ca inevitabil vom avea nevoie
12:42
these kinds of people in the future.
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de astfel de oameni in viitor.
12:45
And let's talk about jobs.
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Si haideti sa vorbim despre slujbe.
12:47
OK, my science teacher got me studying,
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OK, profesorul meu de stiinte naturale m-a facut sa invat
12:49
because I was a goofball that didn't want to study.
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pentru ca eram aiurita si nu voiam sa invat.
12:52
But you know what? I was getting work experience.
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Dar stiti ce? Am obtinut experienta de munca.
12:54
I'm seeing too many of these smart kids who haven't learned basic things,
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Vad mult prea multi dintre acesti copii destepti care nu au invatat lucruri elementare,
gen cum sa fii punctual.
12:58
like how to be on time -- I was taught that when I was eight years old.
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Eu am fost invatata asa ceva cand aveam opt ani.
Sau stiti, cum sa ai bune maniere la masa la petrecerea de duminica a bunicii.
13:01
How to have table manners at granny's Sunday party.
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Am fost invatata asa ceva cand eram foarte foarte tanara
13:04
I was taught that when I was very, very young.
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13:06
And when I was 13, I had a job at a dressmaker's shop sewing clothes.
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Iar cand aveam 13 ani, am avut o slujba la un croitor de rochii
unde vindeam haine.
13:11
I did internships in college,
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Am lucrat in practica in timpul facultatii.
13:14
I was building things,
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Construiam lucruri.
13:17
and I also had to learn how to do assignments.
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Si am fost nevoita sa invat cum sa imi fac temele.
13:20
You know, all I wanted to do was draw pictures of horses when I was little.
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Stiti, cand eram mica, tot ce imi doream era sa desenez cai.
13:24
My mother said, "Well let's do a picture of something else."
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Iar mama imi spunea: "Hai sa desenam si altceva"
Ei trebuie sa invete cum sa faca si altceva.
13:27
They've got to learn how to do something else.
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Sa presupunem ca un copil este fixat pe jocul de Lego.
13:29
Let's say the kid is fixated on Legos.
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Haideti sa il facem interesat sa lucreze la constructia unor diverse lucruri.
13:31
Let's get him working on building different things.
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13:33
The thing about the autistic mind is it tends to be fixated.
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Unul din aspectele mintii autiste
este ca tinde sa se fixeze pe anumite lucruri.
13:37
Like if the kid loves race cars, let's use race cars for math.
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Asa ca daca un copil iubeste masinile de curse
haideti sa folosim masini de curse ca sa il invatam matematica.
13:41
Let's figure out how long it takes a race car to go a certain distance.
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Sa calculam cat ii ia unei masini de curse pentru a strabate o anumita distanta.
13:44
In other words, use that fixation
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Cu alte cuvinte, folositi acea fixatie
13:47
in order to motivate that kid, that's one of the things we need to do.
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ca sa va motivati copilul, asta este unul din lucrurile pe care trebuie sa le facem.
13:51
I really get fed up when the teachers,
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Sunt pur si simplu exasperata cand ei, stiti, profesorii,
13:54
especially when you get away from this part of the country,
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in special cand te duci departe de partea asta a tarii,
13:57
they don't know what to do with these smart kids.
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ei nu stiu ce sa faca in legatura cu acesti copii inteligenti.
Pur si simplu ma innebuneste.
14:00
It just drives me crazy.
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14:01
What can visual thinkers do when they grow up?
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Ce pot face ganditorii vizuali cand vor creste?
14:03
They can do graphic design, all kinds of stuff with computers,
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Pot face design grafic, tot felul de lucruri pe calculator,
14:06
photography, industrial design.
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fotografie, design industrial.
14:11
The pattern thinkers -- they're the ones that are going to be your mathematicians,
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Ganditorii in tipare, ei sunt cei ce vor deveni
pentru dumneavoastra matematicieni, ingineri software,
14:15
your software engineers, your computer programmers,
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programatori pe calculator, tot felul de astfel de profesii.
14:18
all of those kinds of jobs.
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14:20
And then you've got the word minds; they make great journalists,
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Iar apoi avem mintile verbale. Ei vor deveni foarte buni jurnalisti.
14:23
and they also make really, really good stage actors.
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Si tot ei pot deveni actori de scena extrem de buni.
14:26
Because the thing about being autistic is,
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Pentru ca unul din aspectele legate de autism este ca
14:28
I had to learn social skills like being in a play.
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a trebuit sa invat deprinderi sociale ca si cum as fi intr-o piesa de teatru.
14:31
You just kind of ... you just have to learn it.
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Pur si simplu, a trebuit sa le invat.
14:34
And we need to be working with these students.
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Si va trebui sa lucram cu acesti studenti.
14:37
And this brings up mentors.
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Iar asta ne duce sa discutam despre mentori.
14:39
You know, my science teacher was not an accredited teacher.
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Stiti, profesorul meu de stiinte naturale nu era un profesor acreditat.
14:42
He was a NASA space scientist.
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Era un cercetator de la NASA.
14:44
Some states now are getting it to where, if you have a degree in biology
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Acum, unele state au ajuns la punctul in care
daca ai o diploma in biologie sau o diploma in chimie
14:47
or in chemistry,
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14:48
you can come into the school and teach biology or chemistry.
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poti veni la scoala sa predai biologie sau chimie.
14:51
We need to be doing that.
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Trebuie sa facem asa ceva.
14:53
Because what I'm observing is,
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Pentru ca ce observ eu este ca
14:55
the good teachers, for a lot of these kids,
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profesorii buni, pentru multi din acesti copii,
14:57
are out in the community colleges.
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sunt cei care ies de pe bancile universitatilor de stat.
14:59
But we need to be getting some of these good teachers
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Trebuie sa aducem in licee pe unii dintre acesti buni profesori.
15:01
into the high schools.
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Un alt lucru, ce poate fi de foarte-foarte mare succes este ca
15:03
Another thing that can be very, very, very successful is:
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multi oameni s-au pensionat
15:06
there's a lot of people that may have retired
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15:08
from working in the software industry,
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nu mai lucreaza in industria software, iar ei iti pot invata copilul.
15:10
and they can teach your kid.
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Si nu conteaza ca ceea ce ii invata este invechit,
15:12
And it doesn't matter if what they teach them is old,
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15:14
because what you're doing is you're lighting the spark.
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pentru ca ce faceti este sa aprindeti o scanteie.
15:17
You're getting that kid turned on.
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Aduceti copilul sa fie interesat.
15:20
And you get him turned on, then you'll learn all the new stuff.
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Iar cand il faceti interesat, va invata toate lucrurile noi.
15:23
Mentors are just essential.
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Mentorii sunt pur si simplu esentiali.
15:25
I cannot emphasize enough what my science teacher did for me.
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Nu pot sublinia indeajuns
ce a facut profesorul meu de stiinte naturale pentru mine.
15:30
And we've got to mentor them, hire them.
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Si trebuie sa le oferim mentori, sa ii angajam.
15:33
And if you bring them in for internships in your companies,
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Iar daca ii aduceti pentru practica in companiile dumneavoastra,
ideea despre autism, tipul mental gen Asperger,
15:36
the thing about the autism, Asperger-y kind of mind,
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you've got to give them a specific task.
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trebuie sa le dati sarcini specifice. Nu le spuneti doar "Proiecteaza software nou".
15:40
Don't just say, "Design new software."
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Trebuie sa fiti mult mai specifici.
15:42
You've got to tell them something more specific:
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"Ei bine, noi cream software pentru un telefon
15:44
"We're designing software for a phone
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15:46
and it has to do some specific thing,
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si trebuie sa faca un lucru anume.
15:48
and it can only use so much memory."
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Si poate folosi doar atata memorie".
15:50
That's the kind of specificity you need.
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Asta este nivelul de detaliu de care au ei nevoie.
15:52
Well, that's the end of my talk.
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Ei bine, acesta este sfarsitul prezentarii mele.
15:54
And I just want to thank everybody for coming.
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Si doresc sa multumesc tuturor celor prezenti.
15:56
It was great to be here.
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A fost minunat sa ma aflu aici.
15:58
(Applause)
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(Aplauze)
16:09
(Applause ends)
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Aveti intrebari pentru mine? Ok.
16:12
Oh -- you have a question for me? OK.
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16:13
(Applause)
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(Aplauze)
Chris Anderson: Multumim mult pentru tot.
16:16
Chris Anderson: Thank you so much for that.
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16:18
You know, you once wrote -- I like this quote:
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Stiti, ati scris odata, imi place citatul acesta:
16:20
"If by some magic, autism had been eradicated from the face of the Earth,
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"Daca printr-o minune, autismul ar fi
eradicat de pe fata pamantului,
16:25
then men would still be socializing in front of a wood fire
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atunci oamenii inca s-ar socializa in fata unui foc de lemne
16:28
at the entrance to a cave."
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la gura unei pesteri".
16:29
(Laughter)
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Temple Grandin: Because who do you think made the first stone spear?
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Temple Grandin: Pai cine credeti ca a facut prima lance cu varf de piatra?
Tipul cu Asperger. Iar daca ati elimina toate genele autismului
16:33
It was the Asperger guy,
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and if you were to get rid of all the autism genetics,
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nu ar mai exista Silicon Valley,
16:37
there'd be no more Silicon Valley, and the energy crisis would not be solved.
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iar criza energetica nu ar mai fi rezolvata.
(Aplauze)
16:41
(Applause)
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16:42
CA: I want to ask you a couple other questions,
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CA: Asa, doream sa va pun inca vreo doua intrebari.
si daca simtiti ca unele sunt stanjenitoare
16:45
and if any of these feel inappropriate, it's OK just to say, "Next question."
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puteti spune pur si simplu "Intrebarea urmatoare".
16:48
But if there is someone here who has an autistic child,
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Dar daca exista cineva aici
care are un copil autistic,
16:52
or knows an autistic child and feels kind of cut off from them,
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sau care cunoaste un copil cu autism
si se simte cumva ignorat de acesti copii,
16:57
what advice would you give them?
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ce sfat le-ati da?
16:59
TG: Well, first of all, we've got to look at age.
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TG: Pentru inceput, trebuie sa va uitati la varsta.
Daca aveti un copil de doi, trei sau patru ani
17:02
If you have a two, three or four-year-old, no speech, no social interaction,
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stiti, care nu vorbeste, care nu interactioneaza social,
17:05
I can't emphasize enough: Don't wait.
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nu pot sublinia cu destula tarie
nu asteptati, aveti nevoie de minim 20 de ore saptamanal de antrenament unu-la-unu.
17:08
You need at least 20 hours a week of one-to-one teaching.
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17:11
The thing is, autism comes in different degrees.
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Stiti, ideea este ca autismul are diverse grade de afectiune.
17:14
About half of the people on the spectrum are not going to learn to talk,
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Vor fi probabil in jur de jumatate din oamenii din spectru
care nu vor invata sa vorbeasca, si nu vor putea munci
17:17
and they won't be working in Silicon Valley.
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in Silicon Valley, pentru ca nu ar fi un lucru adecvat pentru ei.
17:19
That would not be a reasonable thing for them to do.
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Dar mai sunt si copiii destepti
17:22
But then you get these smart, geeky kids with a touch of autism,
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care au doar o urma de autism,
17:25
and that's where you've got to get them turned on
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si pe ei trebuie sa te concentrezi ca sa ii faci preocupati
17:27
with doing interesting things.
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de lucruri interesante.
17:29
I got social interaction through shared interests --
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Am avut parte de interactiune sociala prin interese in comun.
17:32
I rode horses with other kids, I made model rockets with other kids,
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Am calarit cai cu alti copii. Am facut rachetomodele cu alti copii,
17:36
did electronics lab with other kids.
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am facut laborator de electronica impreuna cu alti copii,
17:38
And in the '60s, it was gluing mirrors onto a rubber membrane on a speaker
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iar asta in anii '60 insemna sa lipesti oglinzi
pe o membrana de cauciuc pe un difuzor ca sa obtii un spectacol de lumini.
17:42
to make a light show.
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17:43
That was, like, we considered that super cool.
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Aia era ce consideram noi atunci "super cool".
17:46
(Laughter)
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CA: Este cumva nerealist pentru ei
17:47
CA: Is it unrealistic for them
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17:48
to hope or think that that child loves them, as some might, as most, wish?
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sa spere sau sa creada ca acel copil
ii iubeste, asa cum poate, asa cum cei mai multi isi doresc?
17:53
TG: Well, I tell you, that child will be loyal,
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TG: Lasati-ma sa va spun ca acel copil va fi loial.
17:55
and if your house is burning down, they're going to get you out of it.
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Iar daca va arde casa ei o sa va scoata afara din ea.
CA: Incredibil. Cei mai multi oameni, daca ii intrebi,
17:59
CA: Wow. So most people, if you ask them what they're most passionate about,
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ce ii pasioneaza cel mai mult, vor raspunde cu lucruri de genul
18:02
they'd say things like, "My kids" or "My lover."
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"Copiii mei" sau "Iubita mea".
Ce va pasioneaza pe dumneavoastra cel mai mult?
18:06
What are you most passionate about?
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18:08
TG: I'm passionate about that the things I do
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TG: Ma pasioneaza ca lucrurile pe care le fac
vor face ca lumea sa devina un loc mai bun.
18:11
are going to make the world a better place.
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Cand o mama de copil autistic imi spune
18:13
When I have a mother of an autistic child say,
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"Copilul meu a mers la facultate din cauza cartii dumneavoastra,
18:15
"My kid went to college because of your book
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sau din cauza uneia din prezentarile dumneavoastra", lucrul acela ma face fericita.
18:17
or one of your lectures,"
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18:18
that makes me happy.
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Stiti, abatoarele, am lucrat cu ele
18:19
You know, the slaughter plants I worked with in the '80s;
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in anii '80; erau pur si simplu ingrozitoare.
18:22
they were absolutely awful.
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18:23
I developed a really simple scoring system for slaughter plants,
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Am dezvoltat un sistem de puncte foarte simplu pentru abatoare
18:27
where you just measure outcomes:
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unde se masurau doar rezultatele: cate vite cadeau,
18:28
How many cattle fell down?
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cate vite erau impunse cu batul electric,
18:30
How many got poked with the prodder?
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18:31
How many cattle are mooing their heads off?
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cate vite mugeau in nestire.
Si e foarte simplu.
18:34
And it's very, very simple.
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18:35
You directly observe a few simple things.
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Observi direct cateva lucruri foarte simple.
18:37
It's worked really well.
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A functionat foarte bine. Primesc o gramada de satisfactii
18:38
I get satisfaction out of seeing stuff
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vazand lucruri care pot face diferente majore
18:41
that makes real change in the real world.
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in viata reala.
18:43
We need a lot more of that, and a lot less abstract stuff.
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si mult mai putina de lucruri abstracte.
18:46
CA: Totally.
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(Aplauze)
18:47
(Applause)
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18:52
CA: When we were talking on the phone, one of the things you said
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CA: Cand am vorbit la telefon, unul dintre lucrurile pe care le-ati spus
si care m-au uimit a fost ca ati spus un lucru
18:56
that really astonished me
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18:57
was that one thing you were passionate about was server farms.
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cat de pasionata sunteti in legatura cu fermele de servere. Spuneti-mi despre asta.
19:01
Tell me about that.
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TG: Motivul pentru care am devenit foarte interesata cand am citit despre asa ceva
19:02
TG: Well, the reason why I got really excited when I read about that,
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este deoarece contine informatii.
19:05
it contains knowledge.
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19:07
It's libraries.
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Sunt biblioteci.
19:09
And to me, knowledge is something that is extremely valuable.
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Iar pentru mine asta inseamna
ceva extrem de valoros. Si, poate, in urma cu 10 ani
19:12
So, maybe over 10 years ago now, our library got flooded.
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biblioteca noastra a fost inundata.
19:15
This is before the Internet got really big.
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Iar asta s-a intamplat inainte ca internetul sa devina atat de mare.
19:17
And I was really upset about all the books being wrecked,
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Iar eu am fost foarte suparata pentru toate cartile care au fost stricate,
pentru ca o gramada de informatii au fost distruse.
19:20
because it was knowledge being destroyed.
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Iar fermele de servere, sau centrele de date
19:22
And server farms, or data centers, are great libraries of knowledge.
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sunt biblioteci imense de informatii.
19:26
CA: Temple, can I just say,
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CA: Temple, pot sa spun ca a fost o placere absoluta sa te avem aici la TED.
19:28
it's an absolute delight to have you at TED.
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TG: Ei bine, multumesc foarte mult. Va multumesc.
19:30
Thank you so much.
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19:31
TG: Well, thank you so much. Thank you.
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(Aplauze)
19:33
(Applause)
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