3 clues to understanding your brain | VS Ramachandran

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Translator: Reviewer: Begoña Laka
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Well, as Chris pointed out, I study the human brain,
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Chrisek esan duenez, nik gizakiaren burmuina ikertzen dut,
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the functions and structure of the human brain.
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bere funtzionamendu eta antolaketa.
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And I just want you to think for a minute about what this entails.
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Pentsa ezazue minutu batez zer esan nahi duen honek.
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Here is this mass of jelly, three-pound mass of jelly
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Hona hemen gelatina masa hau, kilo eta erdikoa.
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you can hold in the palm of your hand,
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Zure eskuan sartzen da
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and it can contemplate the vastness of interstellar space.
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eta izarrarte amaigabeari so egon daiteke.
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It can contemplate the meaning of infinity
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Hausnar dezake infinituaren zentzuaz
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and it can contemplate itself contemplating on the meaning of infinity.
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eta bere burua infinituaren zentzuaz hausnartzen kontenplatu.
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And this peculiar recursive quality that we call self-awareness,
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Gaitasun errekurtsibo horri autokontzientzia deritzogu
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which I think is the holy grail of neuroscience, of neurology,
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eta uste dut dela neurozientzia eta neurologiaren Grial Santua.
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and hopefully, someday, we'll understand how that happens.
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Agian noizbait ulertuko dugu hori nola gertatzen den.
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OK, so how do you study this mysterious organ?
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Nola ikertu organo misteriotsu hau?
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I mean, you have 100 billion nerve cells,
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100.000 miloi neurona dauzka,
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little wisps of protoplasm, interacting with each other,
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protoplasma sorta txikiak elkarri eragiten,
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and from this activity emerges the whole spectrum of abilities
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eta haren jardueratik sortzen dira giza natura
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that we call human nature and human consciousness.
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eta giza-kontzientziaren gaitasun guztiak.
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How does this happen?
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Nola gertatzen da hori?
01:23
Well, there are many ways of approaching the functions of the human brain.
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Giza-burmuinaren funtzioak aztertzeko modu asko dago.
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One approach, the one we use mainly,
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Erabiliena hau da:
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is to look at patients with sustained damage to a small region of the brain,
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aztertzen ditugu burmuineko zatitxo baten kaltea duten gaixoak,
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where there's been a genetic change in a small region of the brain.
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aldaketa genetiko bat egon den lekua.
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What then happens is not an across-the-board reduction
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Kasu horietan, ez dira galtzen gaitasun mental guztiak,
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in all your mental capacities,
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a sort of blunting of your cognitive ability.
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funtzio bakar bat galtzen da
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What you get is a highly selective loss of one function,
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eta gainerako funtzioak ondo dabiltza.
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with other functions being preserved intact,
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and this gives you some confidence in asserting
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Horrela badakigu
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that that part of the brain is somehow involved in mediating that function.
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burmuineko zati hori galdutako funtzioari lotuta dagoela.
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So you can then map function onto structure,
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Horrela estrukturan kokatzen dugu funtzioa
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and then find out what the circuitry's doing
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eta jakin nola jardun diren zirkuituak
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to generate that particular function.
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funtzio berezi hori sortzeko.
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So that's what we're trying to do.
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Horretan ari gara.
02:05
So let me give you a few striking examples of this.
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Utzidazue adibide harrigarri batzuk jartzen.
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In fact, I'm giving you three examples, six minutes each, during this talk.
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Hitzaldian 3 adibide emango dizkizuet, sei minutukoa bakoitza.
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The first example is an extraordinary syndrome called Capgras syndrome.
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Lehen adibidea Capgras sindromea da, benetan ezohikoa eta txundigarria.
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If you look at the first slide there,
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Begiratu lehen diapositibari:
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that's the temporal lobes, frontal lobes, parietal lobes, OK --
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hor daude lobulu tenporalak, frontalak, parietalak,
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the lobes that constitute the brain.
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burmuina osatzen duten lobuluak.
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And if you look, tucked away inside the inner surface of the temporal lobes --
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Eta hemen, lobulu tenporalen azalaren azpian ezkutaturik
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you can't see it there --
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-ezin duzue ikusi-
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is a little structure called the fusiform gyrus.
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egitura txiki bat dago: zirkunboluzio fusiformea.
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And that's been called the face area in the brain,
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“Aurpegien kokagunea” ere esaten zaio,
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because when it's damaged, you can no longer recognize people's faces.
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kalteturik dagoenean ezin diezulako pertsonen aurpegiei antzeman.
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You can still recognize them from their voice
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Haien ahotsa entzunda, ezagut ditzakezu
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and say, "Oh yeah, that's Joe,"
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eta esan: “Bai, Jon da”.
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but you can't look at their face and know who it is, right?
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Baina ezin duzu jakin nor den aurpegia ikusita.
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You can't even recognize yourself in the mirror.
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Zeure burua ere ezin duzu ispiluan ezagutu.
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I mean, you know it's you because you wink and it winks,
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Badakizu zu zarela, kliskatu eta ispiluko irudiak ere kliskatzen baitu
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and you know it's a mirror,
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eta badakizu ispilua dela.
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but you don't really recognize yourself as yourself.
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Baina ez duzu benetan zeure burua ezagutzen.
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OK. Now that syndrome is well known as caused by damage to the fusiform gyrus.
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Sindrome horren jatorria zirkunboluzio fusiformean lesioa da.
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But there's another rare syndrome, so rare, in fact,
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Bada beste sindrome bat hain ezohikoa dela
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that very few physicians have heard about it, not even neurologists.
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ezen mediku eta neurologo gutxik entzun baitute hari buruz:
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This is called the Capgras delusion,
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Capgras eldarnioa.
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and that is a patient, who's otherwise completely normal,
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Horrelako gaixo batek, bestaldetik guztiz normala,
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has had a head injury, comes out of coma,
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buruko lesioa izan, komatik esnatu,
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otherwise completely normal, he looks at his mother
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itxuraz normal, eta ama ikustean,
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and says, "This looks exactly like my mother, this woman,
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dio: “Amaren antza osoa du emakume honek,
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but she's an impostor.
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baina inpostore bat da.
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She's some other woman pretending to be my mother."
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Beste emakume bat da amarena egiten".
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Now, why does this happen?
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Zergatik gertatzen da?
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Why would somebody -- and this person is perfectly lucid and intelligent
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Zergatik pertsona bati, bestela guztiz normala denari,
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in all other respects, but when he sees his mother,
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ama ikustean soilik
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his delusion kicks in and says, it's not mother.
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pizten zaio eldarnioa, eta orduan dio hori ez dela ama.
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Now, the most common interpretation of this,
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Freuden ikuspegitik
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which you find in all the psychiatry textbooks,
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interpretatu ohi da eldarnio hori
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is a Freudian view, and that is that this chap --
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psikiatria liburuetan. Horren arabera, gizon horrek --
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and the same argument applies to women, by the way,
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emakumeei buruz antzeko azalpena ematen dute,
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but I'll just talk about guys.
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baina gizonezkoez arituko gara.
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When you're a little baby, a young baby,
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Haur txikia zarenean,
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you had a strong sexual attraction to your mother.
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amarekiko erakarpen sexual handia duzu.
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This is the so-called Oedipus complex of Freud.
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Horretan datza Freuden Edipo konplexua.
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I'm not saying I believe this,
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Ez diot neuk horretan sinisten dudanik,
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but this is the standard Freudian view.
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baina Freuden irizpidea da hau.
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And then, as you grow up, the cortex develops,
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Handitzen zarenean, kortexa garatu egiten zaizu
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and inhibits these latent sexual urges towards your mother.
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eta amarekiko grina sexuala inhibitu egiten dizu kortexak.
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Thank God, or you would all be sexually aroused when you saw your mother.
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Eskerrak, zeren bestela ama ikustean berotuko zinateke.
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And then what happens is,
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Gero, kolpe batengatik edo,
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there's a blow to your head, damaging the cortex,
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kortexa kaltetzen bada,
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allowing these latent sexual urges to emerge,
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ezkutuko grina sexuala argitara ateratzen da berriro.
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flaming to the surface, and suddenly and inexplicably
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Bat-batean, ustekabean,
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you find yourself being sexually aroused by your mother.
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zeure amarekiko grina sexualak jota zaude.
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And you say, "My God, if this is my mom,
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Eta diozu: “Ene, hau ama bada,
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how come I'm being sexually turned on?
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nola liteke ni bero-bero egotea?
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She's some other woman. She's an impostor."
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Beste emakume bat da: inpostorea da”.
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It's the only interpretation that makes sense to your damaged brain.
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Zure burmuin kaltetuarentzat, hori da interpretazio zentzudun bakarra.
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This has never made much sense to me, this argument.
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Nire ustez horrek ez dauka zentzu handirik.
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It's very ingenious, as all Freudian arguments are --
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Zorrotza da, Freuden beste teoriak bezala.
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(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
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-- but didn't make much sense because I have seen the same delusion,
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Ez dauka zentzu handirik, eldarnio bera ikusi baitut
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a patient having the same delusion, about his pet poodle.
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gaixo bat eldarnio berberarekin baina bere canichearekiko.
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(Laughter)
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He'll say, "Doctor, this is not Fifi. It looks exactly like Fifi,
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(Barreak)
Zioen: “Doktorea, hau ez da Fifi. Haren itxura du,
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but it's some other dog." Right?
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baina beste txakur bat da”.
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Now, you try using the Freudian explanation there.
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Bada, azaldu hori ikuspegi freudianotik.
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(Laughter)
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You'll start talking about the latent bestiality in all humans,
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Gizakion bestialismorako joera ezkutuaz
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or some such thing, which is quite absurd, of course.
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hasi beharko zinatekete, eta hori nahiko absurdoa da.
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Now, what's really going on?
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Zer da benetan gertatzen ari dena?
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So, to explain this curious disorder,
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Gaitz bitxi hori azaltzeko,
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we look at the structure and functions of the normal visual pathways in the brain.
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burmuineko ikusmenaren ibilbideak aztertu behar ditugu.
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Normally, visual signals come in, into the eyeballs,
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Normalean, ikusmen-seinaleak begietan sartzen dira
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go to the visual areas in the brain.
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eta burmuineko ikusmen-eremuetara doaz.
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There are, in fact, 30 areas in the back of your brain concerned with just vision,
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Burmuineko atzealdean badaude 30 eremu, ikusmenari hertsiki lotuak.
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and after processing all that, the message goes to a small structure
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Behin hori prozesatu ondoren, mezua egitura txiki batera doa,
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called the fusiform gyrus, where you perceive faces.
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zirkunboluzio fusiformera, non azkenean aurpegiak hautematen dituzun.
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There are neurons there that are sensitive to faces.
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Han daude aurpegiei antzemateko neuronak.
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You can call it the face area of the brain, right?
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“Burmuineko aurpegien kokagunea” deritzo.
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I talked about that earlier.
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Arestian aipatu dut.
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Now, when that area's damaged, you lose the ability to see faces, right?
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Eremu hori kalteturik dagoenean, ez zara aurpegiak ezagutzeko gai.
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But from that area, the message cascades
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Eremu horretatik, mezua berrabiatzen da
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into a structure called the amygdala in the limbic system,
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sistema linbikoko “amigdala” izeneko egiturara,
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the emotional core of the brain,
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burmuinaren gune emozionala.
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and that structure, called the amygdala,
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Eta egitura horrek, amigdalak,
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gauges the emotional significance of what you're looking at.
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garrantzi emozionala balioesten du.
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Is it prey? Is it predator? Is it mate?
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Harrapakina al da? Harraparia? Nire kidea?
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Or is it something absolutely trivial, like a piece of lint,
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Edo zerbait arrunta: hauts pixka bat,
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or a piece of chalk, or a -- I don't want to point to that, but --
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klarion zatia -- ez dut hori seinalatu nahi, --
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or a shoe, or something like that? OK?
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izan daiteke zapata bat edo antzeko zerbait.
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Which you can completely ignore.
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Alde batera utz dezakezun zerbait.
Amigdala kitzikaturik badago eta hau garrantzizkoa da,
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So if the amygdala is excited, and this is something important,
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06:10
the messages then cascade into the autonomic nervous system.
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mezua nerbio-sistema autonomora desbideratzen da.
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Your heart starts beating faster.
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Bihotz-taupadak bizkortzen zaizkizu,
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You start sweating to dissipate the heat that you're going to
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izerditan hasten zara, ariketa fisikoaren ondoriozko
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create from muscular exertion.
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muskuluen beroa arintzeko.
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And that's fortunate, because we can put two electrodes on your palm
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Izerditan hasten zara. Beraz, esku-azpietan elektrodoak jar ditzakegu
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and measure the change in skin resistance produced by sweating.
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eta izerdiak sortutako larruazalaren konduktantzia neurtu.
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So I can determine, when you're looking at something,
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Horrela jakin dezaket zerbaiti so egiten diozunean
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whether you're excited or whether you're aroused, or not, OK?
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kitzikaturik zauden ala ez.
06:34
And I'll get to that in a minute.
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Geroxeago komentatuko dugu hau.
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So my idea was, when this chap looks at an object, when he looks at his --
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Nire susmoa da lagun honek zerbaiti begiratzen dionean,
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any object for that matter, it goes to the visual areas and,
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edozein gauzari, seinalea ikusmen-eremuetara joaten dela
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however, and it's processed in the fusiform gyrus,
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eta zirkunboluzio fusiformean prozesatzen dela.
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and you recognize it as a pea plant, or a table,
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Orduan hautematen duzu madariondoa, mahaia
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or your mother, for that matter, OK?
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edo zure ama, dena delakoa.
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And then the message cascades into the amygdala,
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Gero mezua amigdalara abiatzen da
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and then goes down the autonomic nervous system.
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eta, hortik, nerbio-sistema autonomora.
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But maybe, in this chap, that wire that goes from the amygdala to the limbic system,
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Baina agian, lagun horrengan, amigdalatik sistema linbikorako bidea,
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the emotional core of the brain, is cut by the accident.
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burmuineko gune emozionalerako bidea moztuta dago istripuagatik.
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So because the fusiform is intact,
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Fusiformea ondo dagoenez,
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the chap can still recognize his mother,
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bere ama ezagut dezake,
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and says, "Oh yeah, this looks like my mother."
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eta esaten du: “Tira, amaren antza osoa du”.
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But because the wire is cut to the emotional centers,
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Baina gune emozionaletarako bidea mozturik dagoenez,
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he says, "But how come, if it's my mother, I don't experience a warmth?"
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dio: “Baina ama bada, zergatik ez dut inolako maitasunik sentitzen?”
07:19
Or terror, as the case may be? Right?
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Edo ikara, akaso?
07:21
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
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And therefore, he says, "How do I account for this inexplicable lack of emotions?
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Beraz, esaten du: “Nola liteke hutsune emozional hori?
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This can't be my mother.
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Ezin da nire ama izan,
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It's some strange woman pretending to be my mother."
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emakume arrotza da, ama ematen badu ere".
07:32
How do you test this?
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Nola frogatu susmo hori?
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Well, what you do is, if you take any one of you here, and put you in front of a screen,
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Honela: zuetako bat hemen jartzen dugu, pantailaren aurrean,
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and measure your galvanic skin response,
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eta erantzun galbanikoa neurtzen dugu
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and show pictures on the screen,
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irudiak pantailan erakustean.
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I can measure how you sweat when you see an object,
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Jakin dezaket zenbat izerdi egiten duzun objektu bat ikustean.
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like a table or an umbrella. Of course, you don't sweat.
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Mahaia edo euritakoa bada ez zara izerditan hasiko.
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If I show you a picture of a lion, or a tiger, or a pinup, you start sweating, right?
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Lehoi baten edo biluzi baten irudia erakutsiz gero, izerditan hasiko zarete.
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And, believe it or not, if I show you a picture of your mother --
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Eta, sinistu ala ez, amaren irudia erakusten badizut
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I'm talking about normal people -- you start sweating.
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-pertsona arruntez ari naiz-, izerditan hasiko zara.
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You don't even have to be Jewish.
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Juduak izan ez arren.
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(Laughter)
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(Barreak).
08:01
Now, what happens if you show this patient?
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Aldiz, gaixo bati irudiak erakustean, zer gertatzen da?
08:05
You take the patient and show him pictures on the screen
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Irudiak pantailan erakutsi
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and measure his galvanic skin response.
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eta erantzun galbanikoa neurtuko dugu.
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Tables and chairs and lint, nothing happens, as in normal people,
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Mahaiak, aulkiak eta hautsa: ez da ezer gertatzen, jende normalarekin bezala.
08:16
but when you show him a picture of his mother,
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Baina amaren irudia erakusten badiozu,
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the galvanic skin response is flat.
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larruazalaren erantzun galbanikoa laua da ere.
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There's no emotional reaction to his mother,
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Ez du erantzun emozionalik amaren aurrean
08:22
because that wire going from the visual areas to the emotional centers is cut.
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ikusmen-eremuak eta emozioak lotzen dituen konexioa etenda duelako.
08:27
So his vision is normal because the visual areas are normal,
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Hortaz, ikusmena eta ikusmen-eremuak ondo dauzka.
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his emotions are normal -- he'll laugh, he'll cry, so on and so forth --
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Emozioak ere ondo ditu, barre, negar egingo du.
08:33
but the wire from vision to emotions is cut
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Ikusmena eta emozioen arteko konexioa, berriz, hautsirik dauka,
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and therefore he has this delusion that his mother is an impostor.
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eta, horren ondorioz, ama inpostorea delako eldarnioa du.
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It's a lovely example of the sort of thing we do:
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Adibide ona da egiten dugun lana ikusteko.
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take a bizarre, seemingly incomprehensible, neural psychiatric syndrome
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Psikiatriaren sindrome bitxi bat hartu, lehen itxuraz ulertezina.
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and say that the standard Freudian view is wrong,
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Irizpide freudianoa okerra dela erakutsi
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that, in fact, you can come up with a precise explanation
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eta, gainera azalpen zehatza topatu dugu,
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in terms of the known neural anatomy of the brain.
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burmuineko neurona-anatomian oinarrituta.
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By the way, if this patient then goes,
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Bestalde, gaixo horri
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and mother phones from an adjacent room -- phones him --
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amak telefonoz alboko gelatik deitzen badio,
telefonoa hartu eta erantzungo du: “Ama, nola zaude? Non zaude?”
09:01
and he picks up the phone, and he says, "Wow, mom, how are you? Where are you?"
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There's no delusion through the phone.
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Telefonoz, ez dago eldarniorik.
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Then, she approaches him after an hour, he says, "Who are you?
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Ordu bat geroago ama hurbiltzean: “Nor zara?
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You look just like my mother." OK?
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Amaren antza duzu!”.
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The reason is there's a separate pathway
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Izan ere, beste ibilbide bat dago,
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going from the hearing centers in the brain to the emotional centers,
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burmuineko entzumen-guneetatik emozioaren guneetara,
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and that's not been cut by the accident.
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eta ibilbide hori ez da hautsi istripuan.
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So this explains why through the phone he recognizes his mother, no problem.
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Horregatik ezagutzen du ama telefonoz arazorik gabe.
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When he sees her in person, he says it's an impostor.
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Aurrez aurre ikustean, berriz, inpostorea dela esaten du.
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OK, how is all this complex circuitry set up in the brain?
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Nola osatzen da zirkuitu multzo hori guztia burmuinean?
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Is it nature, genes, or is it nurture?
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Natura da, geneak, ala kultura?
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And we approach this problem
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Eztabaida hori argitzeko
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by considering another curious syndrome called phantom limb.
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ikus dezagun beste sindrome bitxia: gorputz-adar fantasma.
09:40
And you all know what a phantom limb is.
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Badakizue zer den gorputz-adar fantasma bat.
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When an arm is amputated, or a leg is amputated, for gangrene,
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Norbaiti besoa edo zangoa ebakitzen diotenean
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or you lose it in war -- for example, in the Iraq war,
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gerra, Irakekoa adibidez, edo gangrena dela eta,
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it's now a serious problem --
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arazo larria da.
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you continue to vividly feel the presence of that missing arm,
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Oraindik biziki sentitzen du galdutako besoaren presentzia.
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and that's called a phantom arm or a phantom leg.
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Horri deitzen diogu beso edo zango fantasma.
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In fact, you can get a phantom with almost any part of the body.
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Gorputzeko edozein zatiaren fantasma eduki dezakezu.
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Believe it or not, even with internal viscera.
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Sinistu ala ez, barne-organo batena ere.
10:01
I've had patients with the uterus removed -- hysterectomy --
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Benetako umetokia kendu ondoren, histerektomia,
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who have a phantom uterus, including phantom menstrual cramps
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umetoki fantasmadun gaixoak tratatu ditut,
menstruazio minekin eta guztiz.
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at the appropriate time of the month.
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10:12
And in fact, one student asked me the other day,
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Ikasle batek galdetu zidan:
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"Do they get phantom PMS?"
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“Ba al dute menstruazioaren aurreko sindromea?”
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(Laughter)
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A subject ripe for scientific enquiry, but we haven't pursued that.
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(Barreak)
Zientifikoki ikertzea mereziko luke, baina oraindik ez dugu egin.
10:21
OK, now the next question is,
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Hurrengo galdera zera da:
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what can you learn about phantom limbs by doing experiments?
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Nola ikertu gorputz-adar fantasmak esperimentuen bidez?
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One of the things we've found was,
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Hau aurkitu dugu:
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about half the patients with phantom limbs
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gorputz-adar fantasmadun gaixoen erdiek
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claim that they can move the phantom.
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diote gai direla fantasma mugitzeko.
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It'll pat his brother on the shoulder,
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“Zaplada emango diot bizkarrean adiskide honi.
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it'll answer the phone when it rings, it'll wave goodbye.
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Telefonoa hartuko dut. Eskuaz agurtuko dut”.
10:37
These are very compelling, vivid sensations.
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Sentipen hauek oso biziak dira, sinistu beharrekoak.
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The patient's not delusional.
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Gaixoak ez du eldarniorik.
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He knows that the arm is not there,
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Badaki besorik ez daukala.
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but, nevertheless, it's a compelling sensory experience for the patient.
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Hala ere, bizi-bizi sentitzen du hura.
10:47
But however, about half the patients, this doesn't happen.
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Gaixoen beste erdiei ez zaie halakorik gertatzen.
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The phantom limb -- they'll say, "But doctor, the phantom limb is paralyzed.
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Hau diote beso fantasmaz: “Doktorea, beso fantasma paralizaturik dago.
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It's fixed in a clenched spasm and it's excruciatingly painful.
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Espasmo gogorrean dago uzkurtuta, min ikaragarria ematen dit.
10:57
If only I could move it, maybe the pain will be relieved."
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Behintzat mugitzerik izango banu, mina arinduko litzaidake agian”.
11:00
Now, why would a phantom limb be paralyzed?
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Nola liteke gorputz-adar fantasma paralizatuta egotea?
11:03
It sounds like an oxymoron.
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Kontraesana ematen du.
11:05
But when we were looking at the case sheets, what we found was,
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Historia klinikoei begiratzean hau ikusi genuen:
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these people with the paralyzed phantom limbs,
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gorputz-adar fantasma paralizaturik dutenean,
11:10
the original arm was paralyzed because of the peripheral nerve injury.
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bere besoa ere egon zen paralizaturik nerbio periferikoaren lesioagatik.
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The actual nerve supplying the arm was severed,
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Besora heltzen den nerbioa moztuta zuten,
11:17
was cut, by say, a motorcycle accident.
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demagun motozikleta istripu batengatik.
11:19
So the patient had an actual arm, which is painful,
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Besoa euskarri bati lotuta izan zuten
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in a sling for a few months or a year, and then,
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hilabete edo urteetan zehar, mingarria dena
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in a misguided attempt to get rid of the pain in the arm,
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eta besoko mina kentzeko modu okerra dena.
11:29
the surgeon amputates the arm,
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Gero medikuak besoa anputatu du.
11:31
and then you get a phantom arm with the same pains, right?
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Hortaz, beso fantasma ere mingarria izango da.
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And this is a serious clinical problem.
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Hau arazo kliniko larria da.
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Patients become depressed.
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Gaixoak deprimitu egiten dira,
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Some of them are driven to suicide, OK?
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batzuk beren buruaz beste egiten dute.
11:41
So, how do you treat this syndrome?
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Nola tratatu sindrome hori?
11:43
Now, why do you get a paralyzed phantom limb?
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Zergatik sortzen da gorputz-adar fantasma paralizatua?
11:45
When I looked at the case sheet, I found that they had an actual arm,
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Historia klinikoei begiratuta, ikusi nuen
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and the nerves supplying the arm had been cut,
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benetako besoa maneiatzen duten nerbioak moztu zirela aurretik
11:52
and the actual arm had been paralyzed,
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eta benetako besoa paralizaturik egon zela,
11:55
and lying in a sling for several months before the amputation,
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euskarri baten hilabetetan gordeta, anputatu arte.
11:59
and this pain then gets carried over into the phantom itself.
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Orduko min hura beso fantasmara igaro zen.
12:05
Why does this happen?
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Zergatik gertatzen da hori?
Besoa osorik dagoenean, baina paralizatuta,
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When the arm was intact, but paralyzed,
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12:09
the brain sends commands to the arm, the front of the brain, saying, "Move,"
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burmuinaren aurrealdeak besoari agintzen dio: “Mugi”
12:12
but it's getting visual feedback saying, "No."
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Baina burmuinak ikusmen-feedback hau jasotzen du: “Ez”.
12:14
Move. No. Move. No. Move. No.
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Mugi. Ez. Mugi. Ez. Mugi. Ez
12:18
And this gets wired into the circuitry of the brain,
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Kontraesan hori grabatu egiten da burmuineko zirkuiterian.
12:21
and we call this learned paralysis, OK?
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Horri “ikasitako paralisia” deitzen diogu.
12:24
The brain learns, because of this Hebbian, associative link,
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Burmuinak lotura hebbiano hori egiten du,
12:28
that the mere command to move the arm
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eta, ondorioz, besoa mugitzeko aginduak berak
12:31
creates a sensation of a paralyzed arm.
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sortzen du paralisiaren sentsazioa.
12:33
And then, when you've amputated the arm,
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Horrez gero, besoa anputatzen badizute,
12:35
this learned paralysis carries over into your body image
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ikasitako paralisi hori dator ere zure gorputz-irudira,
12:39
and into your phantom, OK?
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eta zure fantasmara.
12:42
Now, how do you help these patients?
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Nola lagundu paziente hauei?
12:44
How do you unlearn the learned paralysis,
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Nola “desikasi” ikasitako paralisia,
12:46
so you can relieve him of this excruciating, clenching spasm
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nola askatu beso fantasma
12:50
of the phantom arm?
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uzkurdura mingarritik?
12:52
Well, we said, what if you now send the command to the phantom,
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Eta agindua fantasmari bidaltzen badiogu
12:57
but give him visual feedback that it's obeying his command, right?
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eta ikusmen-feedbacka eman agindua betetzen ari dela?
13:01
Maybe you can relieve the phantom pain, the phantom cramp.
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Agian horrela bare genezake fantasmaren mina eta gogordura.
13:04
How do you do that? Well, virtual reality.
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Nola egin? Bai, errealitate birtuala.
13:06
But that costs millions of dollars.
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Baina milioika euro kostatzen du.
13:08
So, I hit on a way of doing this for three dollars,
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3 eurogatik egiteko modua asmatu nuen,
13:11
but don't tell my funding agencies.
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baina ez esan nire diru-laguntzaileei.
13:13
(Laughter)
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(Barreak).
13:14
OK? What you do is you create what I call a mirror box.
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Ispilu-kutxa bat egin dugu.
13:18
You have a cardboard box with a mirror in the middle,
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Kartoizko kutxa baten erdian ispilua jarri,
13:20
and then you put the phantom -- so my first patient, Derek, came in.
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eta barruan beso fantasma kokatu. Derek, nire lehen pazientea sartu zen.
13:24
He had his arm amputated 10 years ago.
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Besoa orain dela 10 urte anputatu zioten.
13:27
He had a brachial avulsion, so the nerves were cut
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Besoa moztu zitzaion, nerbioak moztu,
13:30
and the arm was paralyzed, lying in a sling for a year, and then the arm was amputated.
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besoa paralizatu. Urte bat euskarrian izan ondoren, anputatu zioten.
13:34
He had a phantom arm, excruciatingly painful, and he couldn't move it.
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Beso fantasma bat zuen, paralizatuta eta sekulako minarekin.
13:36
It was a paralyzed phantom arm.
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Beso fantasma paralizatua.
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So he came there, and I gave him a mirror like that, in a box,
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Etorri zenean ispiludun kutxa bat eman nion,
13:42
which I call a mirror box, right?
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ispilu-kutxa deitzen dudana.
13:45
And the patient puts his phantom left arm,
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Gaixoak ezkerreko beso fantasma zurrun tolestua
13:48
which is clenched and in spasm, on the left side of the mirror,
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ispiluaren ezkerraldean jartzen du
13:50
and the normal hand on the right side of the mirror,
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eta esku normala ispiluaren eskuinaldean
13:52
and makes the same posture, the clenched posture,
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eta bestearen modu berean tolesten du.
13:56
and looks inside the mirror. And what does he experience?
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Ispiluari begiratzean, zer esperientzia izango du?
13:59
He looks at the phantom being resurrected,
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Beso fantasma berpiztu egin dela irudituko zaio,
14:02
because he's looking at the reflection of the normal arm in the mirror,
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beso normalaren ispiluko isla ikusten baitu,
14:06
and it looks like this phantom has been resurrected.
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eta badirudi beso fantasma bizirik dagoela.
14:08
"Now," I said, "now, look, wiggle your phantom --
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“Orain -esan nuen- astindu zure fantasma,
14:11
your real fingers, or move your real fingers while looking in the mirror."
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mugitu benetako atzamarrak, ispiluari begira”.
14:15
He's going to get the visual impression that the phantom is moving, right?
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Fantasma mugitzen dela irudituko zaio.
14:19
That's obvious, but the astonishing thing is,
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Baina begira zer gauza harrigarria
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the patient then says, "Oh my God, my phantom is moving again,
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esan zuen: “Ene! Nire fantasma berriro mugitzen da,
14:24
and the pain, the clenching spasm, is relieved."
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mina, uzkurduraren espasmoa arindu da”.
14:26
And remember, my first patient who came in --
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Gogoratu, niregana etorri zen lehen pazientea...
14:29
(Applause)
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(Txaloak)
14:30
-- thank you. (Applause)
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Eskerrik asko.
14:34
My first patient came in, and he looked in the mirror,
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Nire lehen pazienteak ispiluan begiratu zuen
14:37
and I said, "Look at your reflection of your phantom."
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eta esan nion: "Begiratu zure fantasmaren islari".
14:40
And he started giggling, he says, "I can see my phantom."
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Irri egin zuen: “Nire fantasma ikus dezaket”.
14:42
But he's not stupid. He knows it's not real.
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Ez da memeloa: badaki ez dela erreala.
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He knows it's a mirror reflection,
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Ispiluko isla dela,
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but it's a vivid sensory experience.
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baina bizi-bizia sentitzen du.
14:48
Now, I said, "Move your normal hand and phantom."
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Esan nion esku normala eta fantasma batera mugitzeko.
14:51
He said, "Oh, I can't move my phantom. You know that. It's painful."
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Berak: “Ezin dut fantasma mugitu, mingarria da”.
14:53
I said, "Move your normal hand."
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Esku normala mugitzeko esan nion.
14:55
And he says, "Oh my God, my phantom is moving again. I don't believe this!
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Eta berak: “Ene! Fantasma mugitzen da, ezin dut sinistu!
14:57
And my pain is being relieved." OK?
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Mina desagertu da!”.
15:00
And then I said, "Close your eyes."
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Eta nik: “Begiak itxi”. Begiak itxi zituen.
15:01
He closes his eyes.
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15:03
"And move your normal hand."
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- Esku normala mugitu.
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"Oh, nothing. It's clenched again."
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- Ai! Berriro uzkurtu da.
15:05
"OK, open your eyes."
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- Zabaldu begiak.
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"Oh my God, oh my God, it's moving again!"
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- Ene! Berriro mugitzen da!
15:08
So, he was like a kid in a candy store.
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Pozaren pozez zegoen.
15:10
So, I said, OK, this proves my theory about learned paralysis
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Horrek frogatzen du nire teoria ikasitako paralisiari buruz
15:15
and the critical role of visual input,
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eta ikusmen input-aren funtsezko eginkizuna.
15:17
but I'm not going to get a Nobel Prize
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Baina ez dut Nobel Saria jasoko
15:19
for getting somebody to move his phantom limb.
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norbaitek beso fantasma mugitzea lortu dudalako.
15:21
(Laughter)
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(Barreak) (Txaloak)
15:22
(Applause)
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15:23
It's a completely useless ability, if you think about it.
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Azken finean, guztiz alferrikakoa da gaitasun hori.
15:26
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
15:27
But then I started realizing, maybe other kinds of paralysis
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Baina pentsatu nuen neurologiako beste paralisi mota batzuetan ere
15:31
that you see in neurology, like stroke, focal dystonias --
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isurietan, foku-disfasietan,
15:36
there may be a learned component to this,
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egon zitekeela antzeko ikasitako osagairik,
15:38
which you can overcome with the simple device of using a mirror.
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ispilu soil baten bidez senda daitekeena.
15:41
So, I said, "Look, Derek" --
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Esan nion: "Tira, Derek" --
15:43
well, first of all, the guy can't just go around carrying a mirror to alleviate his pain --
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Ezin da batetik bestera ibili ispilu batekin, mina kentzeko.
15:46
I said, "Look, Derek, take it home and practice with it for a week or two.
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Esan nion: “Derek: etxera eraman eta aste pare batez praktikatu".
15:50
Maybe, after a period of practice,
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Praktikatu eta gero, agian,
15:52
you can dispense with the mirror, unlearn the paralysis,
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ispilua utzi, paralisia ‘desikasi’,
15:54
and start moving your paralyzed arm,
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zure beso paralizatua mugitzen berriro hasi
15:56
and then, relieve yourself of pain."
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eta minetik askatuko zara”.
15:58
So he said OK, and he took it home.
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Berak baietz esan eta etxera eraman zuen.
16:00
I said, "Look, it's, after all, two dollars. Take it home."
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Esan nion: “Bi euro dira, eraman etxera”.
16:02
So, he took it home, and after two weeks, he phones me,
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Bi aste geroago telefonoz deitu zidan:
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and he said, "Doctor, you're not going to believe this."
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- Doktorea, ez didazu sinistuko.
16:07
I said, "What?"
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- Zer?
16:08
He said, "It's gone."
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- Desagertu da.
16:10
I said, "What's gone?"
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- Zer desagertu da?
16:11
I thought maybe the mirror box was gone.
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Uste nuen agian ispilua izango zela.
16:13
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
16:14
He said, "No, no, no, you know this phantom I've had for the last 10 years?
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- Ez. Badakizu 10 urtetan izan dudan fantasma?
16:17
It's disappeared."
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Desagertu da!
16:19
And I said -- I got worried, I said, my God,
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Kezkatu nintzen.
16:21
I mean I've changed this guy's body image,
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Gizon honen gorputz-irudia aldatu dut.
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what about human subjects, ethics and all of that?
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Non dira etika, giza-arazo kontuak?
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And I said, "Derek, does this bother you?"
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Esan nion: - Gaizki zaude horregatik?
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He said, "No, last three days, I've not had a phantom arm
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- Ez, azken hiru egunetan ez dut beso fantasmarik izan,
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and therefore no phantom elbow pain, no clenching,
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ezta uzkurdurarik, ukondoko minik,
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no phantom forearm pain, all those pains are gone away.
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besaurreko minik. Min horiek guztiak joan zaizkit.
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But the problem is I still have my phantom fingers dangling from the shoulder,
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Arazoa da oraindik ditudala atzamar fantasmak lepotik eskegita,
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and your box doesn't reach."
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eta zure kutxa ez da haraino ailegatzen.
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(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
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"So, can you change the design and put it on my forehead,
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Kutxaren diseinua alda dezakezu, nire bekokian jarri
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so I can, you know, do this and eliminate my phantom fingers?"
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atzamar fantasmak ezabatzeko?
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He thought I was some kind of magician.
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Aztitzat hartzen ninduen nonbait.
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Now, why does this happen?
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Zergatik gertatzen da hau?
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It's because the brain is faced with tremendous sensory conflict.
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Zentzumen-gatazka itzelari aurre egiten dio burmuinak.
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It's getting messages from vision saying the phantom is back.
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Ikusmenak esaten dio besoa itzuli dela.
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On the other hand, there's no proprioception,
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Beste aldetik, muskuluek ez diote igortzen
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muscle signals saying that there is no arm, right?
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itzuleraren seinalerik.
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And your motor command saying there is an arm,
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Eta mugitzeko aginduek esaten dute besoa hor dagoela.
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and, because of this conflict, the brain says, to hell with it,
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Gatazka hori dela-eta, burmuinak erabakitzen du:
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there is no phantom, there is no arm, right?
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“Pikutara. Ez dago besorik. Ez dago fantasmarik”.
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It goes into a sort of denial -- it gates the signals.
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Uko egiten du, seinaleak ukatzen ditu.
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And when the arm disappears, the bonus is, the pain disappears
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Besoarekin batera mina ere desagertzen da,
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because you can't have disembodied pain floating out there, in space.
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ezin delako inongo kokapenik gabeko minik eduki.
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So, that's the bonus.
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Horixe da gertatzen dena.
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Now, this technique has been tried on dozens of patients
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Egun, teknika hori hamaika pazientekin probatu dute
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by other groups in Helsinki,
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Helsinkiko ikerlari batzuek.
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so it may prove to be valuable as a treatment for phantom pain,
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Frogatu dute baliagarria dela min fantasma tratatzeko.
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and indeed, people have tried it for stroke rehabilitation.
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Iktusaren errehabilitazioan ere probatu dute.
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Stroke you normally think of as damage to the fibers,
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Iktusean, normalean, zuntzen kaltea dagoenez
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nothing you can do about it.
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zereginik ez dagoela pentsatu ohi dugu.
17:39
But, it turns out some component of stroke paralysis is also learned paralysis,
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Baina paralisi horietako osagai bat ikasitakoa da,
17:44
and maybe that component can be overcome using mirrors.
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eta osagai hori, akaso, ispiluak erabiliz gaindi genezake.
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This has also gone through clinical trials,
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Ideia hori klinikoki ere probatu dute
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helping lots and lots of patients.
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eta gaixo askori lagundu dio.
17:51
OK, let me switch gears now to the third part of my talk,
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Abia gaitezen hitzaldiaren hirugarren parterantz.
17:55
which is about another curious phenomenon called synesthesia.
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Sinestesia izeneko fenomeno bitxiari buruzkoa da.
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This was discovered by Francis Galton in the nineteenth century.
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Francis Galtonek aurkitu zuen, XIX. mendean.
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He was a cousin of Charles Darwin.
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Charles Darwinen lehengusua zen.
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He pointed out that certain people in the population,
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Hura konturatu zen pertsona jakin batzuek,
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who are otherwise completely normal, had the following peculiarity:
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guztiz normalak izan arren, berezitasun hau dutela:
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every time they see a number, it's colored.
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zenbakiak koloreztaturik ikusten dituzte beti.
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Five is blue, seven is yellow, eight is chartreuse,
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Haientzat bosta urdina da, zazpia horia, zortzia berdexka,
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nine is indigo, OK?
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bederatzia morea.
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Bear in mind, these people are completely normal in other respects.
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Guztiz normalak dira gainerako arloetan.
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Or C sharp -- sometimes, tones evoke color.
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Edo, batzuetan, soinuek kolorea ekartzen diete gogora.
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C sharp is blue, F sharp is green,
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Do musika-notak urdina, Rek berdea,
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another tone might be yellow, right?
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beste nota batek horia.
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Why does this happen?
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Zergatik gertatzen da hori?
Sinestesia izena du. Galtonek horrela deitu zion:
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This is called synesthesia. Galton called it synesthesia,
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a mingling of the senses.
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zentzumenen nahastea.
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In us, all the senses are distinct.
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Oro har zentzumenak bereizita egoten dira.
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These people muddle up their senses.
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Baina pertsona horiengan nahastu egiten dira.
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Why does this happen?
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Zergatik?
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One of the two aspects of this problem are very intriguing.
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Ezaugarri interesgarri pare bat du.
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Synesthesia runs in families,
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Familien barruan hedatzen da.
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so Galton said this is a hereditary basis, a genetic basis.
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Horregatik Galtonek esan zuen oinarri genetikoa zuela.
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Secondly, synesthesia is about -- and this is what gets me to my point
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Bigarrenik, eta honek hitzaldiaren muinera garamatza,
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about the main theme of this lecture, which is about creativity --
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sormenera,
artista, poeta eta bestelako sortzaileen artean
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synesthesia is eight times more common among artists, poets, novelists
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zortzi aldiz gehiagotan gertatzen da
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and other creative people than in the general population.
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biztanleria osoaren artean baino.
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Why would that be?
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Zer dela eta?
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I'm going to answer that question.
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Galdera hori erantzungo dut.
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It's never been answered before.
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Sekula erantzun gabeko galdera da.
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OK, what is synesthesia? What causes it?
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Zer da sinestesia? Zerk sortzen du?
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Well, there are many theories.
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Teoria asko daude.
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One theory is they're just crazy.
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Teoria baten arabera, zoroak dira.
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Now, that's not really a scientific theory, so we can forget about it.
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Ez da benetako teoria zientifikoa, beraz bazter dezakegu.
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Another theory is they are acid junkies and potheads, right?
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Beste teoria baten arabera,
azido eta haxix-pipatzaileak dira.
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Now, there may be some truth to this,
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Baliteke egiaren bat egotea,
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because it's much more common here in the Bay Area than in San Diego.
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San Franciscon San Diegon baino ohikoagoa delako .
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(Laughter)
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(Barreak).
19:25
OK. Now, the third theory is that --
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Hirugarren teoria da…
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well, let's ask ourselves what's really going on in synesthesia. All right?
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Galde diezaiogun geure buruari zertan datzan sinestesia.
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So, we found that the color area and the number area
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Aurkitu genuen koloreen aldea eta zenbakien aldea
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are right next to each other in the brain, in the fusiform gyrus.
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pare-parean daudela burmuinean, zirkunboluzio fusiformean.
19:39
So we said, there's some accidental cross wiring
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Esan genuen: ezusteko kable gurutzatuak
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between color and numbers in the brain.
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daude burmuinean, kolore eta zenbakien artean.
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So, every time you see a number, you see a corresponding color,
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Zenbakia ikustean, dagokion kolorea ere ikusten duzu
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and that's why you get synesthesia.
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eta horregatik daukazu sinestesia.
19:49
Now remember -- why does this happen?
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Zergatik gertatzen da?
Zergatik kable-gurutzaketa pertsona batzuengan?
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Why would there be crossed wires in some people?
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19:53
Remember I said it runs in families?
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Ez al genuen esan familietan hedatzen dela?
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That gives you the clue.
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Horrek ematen dizu arrasto bat.
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And that is, there is an abnormal gene,
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Ezohiko gene batek,
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a mutation in the gene that causes this abnormal cross wiring.
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gene baten mutazioak sortzen du nerbio-gurutzaketa hori.
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In all of us, it turns out
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Izan ere, denok
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we are born with everything wired to everything else.
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jaiotzen garenean dena daukagu konektatuta.
20:08
So, every brain region is wired to every other region,
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Burmuineko alde bakoitza beste guztiekin dago konektatuta.
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and these are trimmed down to create
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Gero, konexio horiek kimatu egiten dira
20:13
the characteristic modular architecture of the adult brain.
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burmuin helduaren berezko arkitektura modularra sortzeko.
20:16
So, if there's a gene causing this trimming
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Kimaketa hori eragiten duen gene bat badago
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and if that gene mutates,
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eta genea mutatzen bada,
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then you get deficient trimming between adjacent brain areas.
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orduan kimatze urria edukiko duzu burmuineko alboko aldeen artean.
20:23
And if it's between number and color, you get number-color synesthesia.
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Zenbaki eta koloreen artean bada, zenbaki-kolore sinestesia duzu.
20:26
If it's between tone and color, you get tone-color synesthesia.
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Tonua eta kolorearen artean bada, tonu-kolore sinestesia.
20:29
So far, so good.
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Honaino, dena argi.
20:31
Now, what if this gene is expressed everywhere in the brain,
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Eta gene horrek burmuin osoan eragina balu,
20:33
so everything is cross-connected?
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eta dena konektatuta balego?
20:34
Well, think about what artists, novelists and poets have in common,
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Zer dute artista, nobelagile eta poeta guztiek?
20:40
the ability to engage in metaphorical thinking,
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Pentsamendu metaforikorako joera,
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linking seemingly unrelated ideas,
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itxuraz loturik gabeko ideiak lotzen.
20:45
such as, "It is the east, and Juliet is the Sun."
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Adibidez: “Hau Ekialdea eta Julieta Eguzkia”.
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Well, you don't say, Juliet is the sun,
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Ez duzu esaten Julieta eguzkia denik,
20:50
does that mean she's a glowing ball of fire?
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suzko bola gorri distiratsua denik.
20:52
I mean, schizophrenics do that, but it's a different story, right?
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Eskizofrenikoek ere egiten dute, baina hori beste kontua da.
20:55
Normal people say, she's warm like the sun,
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Jende arruntak dio Julieta eguzkia bezain beroa dela,
20:58
she's radiant like the sun, she's nurturing like the sun.
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eguzkia bezain distiratsua, suspergarria.
21:00
Instantly, you've found the links.
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Bat-batean egiten dituzu loturak.
21:02
Now, if you assume that this greater cross wiring
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Onartzen bada konexio-gurutzatze handiago hori
21:05
and concepts are also in different parts of the brain,
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eta kontzeptuak burmuinaren beste alde batzuetan ere daudela,
21:08
then it's going to create a greater propensity
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pentsamendu metaforikoa eta sorkuntzarako
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towards metaphorical thinking and creativity
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joera handiagoa aurkituko dugu
21:14
in people with synesthesia.
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sinestesia duten pertsonengan.
21:16
And, hence, the eight times more common incidence of synesthesia
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Eta, horregatik, sinestesia zortzi aldiz hedatuago egotea
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among poets, artists and novelists.
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poeta, artista eta nobelagileen artean.
21:21
OK, it's a very phrenological view of synesthesia.
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Sinestesiaren oso ikuspegi frenologikoa.
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The last demonstration -- can I take one minute?
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Azken froga - Minutu bat gehiago?
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(Applause)
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(Txaloak)
21:28
OK. I'm going to show you that you're all synesthetes, but you're in denial about it.
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Guztiak sinestetak zaretela erakutsiko dizuet, baina ukatzen duzue.
21:33
Here's what I call Martian alphabet. Just like your alphabet,
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Hona hemen “Marteko alfabetoa”. Zuen alfabetoaren gisakoa.
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A is A, B is B, C is C.
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A da A, B da B, C da C.
21:40
Different shapes for different phonemes, right?
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Zenbat forma, hainbat fonema, ezta?
21:43
Here, you've got Martian alphabet.
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Hemen duzue alfabeto martetarra.
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One of them is Kiki, one of them is Bouba.
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Bata Kiki da, eta bestea, Buba.
Zein Kiki eta zein Buba?
21:47
Which one is Kiki and which one is Bouba?
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Nork uste du hau Kiki dela eta hori Buba? Altxa eskua.
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How many of you think that's Kiki and that's Bouba? Raise your hands.
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21:51
Well, it's one or two mutants.
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Tira, mutante bat edo bi.
21:53
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
21:54
How many of you think that's Bouba, that's Kiki? Raise your hands.
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Nork uste du hau dela Buba eta hori Kiki?
21:56
Ninety-nine percent of you.
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Zuetako %99k.
21:58
Now, none of you is a Martian. How did you do that?
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Ez dago martetarrik zuen artean. Nola asmatu duzue?
22:00
It's because you're all doing a cross-model synesthetic abstraction,
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Guztiak ari zarete ereduak lotu eta abstrakzio sinestetikoa egiten.
22:05
meaning you're saying that that sharp inflection -- ki-ki,
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Adierazten duzuena da inflexio zorrotz horrek --ki-ki
22:09
in your auditory cortex, the hair cells being excited -- Kiki,
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entzumen kortexean zelula ziliatuak kitzikatzeak, Kiki,
imitatzen duela ikusmenaren inflexioa, horzdun formaren inflexioa.
22:14
mimics the visual inflection, sudden inflection of that jagged shape.
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22:17
Now, this is very important, because what it's telling you
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Hau oso garrantzitsua da, erakusten baitigu
22:20
is your brain is engaging in a primitive --
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burmuina jokaera primitiboan…
22:22
it's just -- it looks like a silly illusion,
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Badirudi ilusio inozoa dela,
22:24
but these photons in your eye are doing this shape,
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baina begiko fotoiek forma hau hartzen dute
22:28
and hair cells in your ear are exciting the auditory pattern,
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eta belarriko zelula ziliatuek entzumen-patroia kitzikatzen dute.
22:31
but the brain is able to extract the common denominator.
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Baina burmuinak bien arteko elementu komunak atera ditzake.
22:36
It's a primitive form of abstraction,
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Abstrakzioa egiteko modu primitibo bat da.
22:38
and we now know this happens in the fusiform gyrus of the brain,
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Egun badakigu zirkunboluzio fusiformean gertatzen dela,
22:43
because when that's damaged,
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hondatzen denean
22:44
these people lose the ability to engage in Bouba Kiki,
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Buba eta Kikiak erlazionatzeko gaitasuna galtzen delako.
22:48
but they also lose the ability to engage in metaphor.
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Baita ere metaforak egiteko gaitasuna.
22:50
If you ask this guy, what -- "all that glitters is not gold,"
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Galdetzen badiozu: “Ez da urrea distiratzen duen guztia.
22:54
what does that mean?"
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Zer esan nahi du honek?"
22:56
The patient says, "Well, if it's metallic and shiny, it doesn't mean it's gold.
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Gaixoak dio: “Metalikoa eta distiratsua, baina ez da zertan urrea izan behar.
22:58
You have to measure its specific gravity, OK?"
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Dentsitatea neurtu beharko duzu".
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So, they completely miss the metaphorical meaning.
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Zentzu metaforikoa guztiz galdu du.
23:04
So, this area is about eight times the size in higher --
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Alde hau zortzi aldiz handiagoa da primate garatuetan
23:07
especially in humans -- as in lower primates.
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gizakiarengan bereziki, ez garatuetan baino.
23:10
Something very interesting is going on here in the angular gyrus,
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Zerbait oso interesgarria gertatzen da zirkunboluzio angularrean,
23:13
because it's the crossroads between hearing, vision and touch,
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entzumena, ikusmena eta ukimenaren gurutzagunea baita.
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and it became enormous in humans. And something very interesting is going on.
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Izugarri handi bihurtu da gizakiongan - eta gauza interesgarria ari da gertatzen.
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And I think it's a basis of many uniquely human abilities
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Uste dut gizakiaren trebezia bereizgarrien kokagunea dela.
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like abstraction, metaphor and creativity.
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Abstrakzioarena, metaforarena eta sormenarena.
23:26
All of these questions that philosophers have been studying for millennia,
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Filosofoek milaka urtetan miatutako galderak
23:29
we scientists can begin to explore by doing brain imaging,
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zientzialariok azter ditzakegu burmuin-irudien bidez,
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and by studying patients and asking the right questions.
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gaixoak ikertzen eta galdera egokiak egiten.
23:35
Thank you.
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Eskerrik asko.
23:37
(Applause)
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(Txaloak)
23:38
Sorry about that.
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Barkatu horregatik.
23:39
(Laughter)
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(Barreak)
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