The secret to desire in a long-term relationship | Esther Perel | TED

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Per què sovint s'acaba el bon sexe
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So, why does good sex so often fade,
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tot i que la parella s'estimi tant com sempre?
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even for couples who continue to love each other as much as ever?
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And why does good intimacy not guarantee good sex,
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Per què una relació íntima no garanteix bon sexe,
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contrary to popular belief?
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en contra del que se sol pensar?
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Or, the next question would be,
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I la següent pregunta:
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can we want what we already have?
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Podem desitjar el que ja tenim?
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That's the million-dollar question, right?
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És la pregunta del milió, no?
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And why is the forbidden so erotic?
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Per què la prohibició és tan eròtica?
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What is it about transgression that makes desire so potent?
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Què té la transgressió que fa el desig tan potent?
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And why does sex make babies,
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Per què el sexe fa nadons
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and babies spell erotic disaster in couples?
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i aquests destrossen l'erotisme en la parella?
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(Laughter)
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It's kind of the fatal erotic blow, isn't it?
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És un cop fatal per a l'erotisme, no?
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And when you love, how does it feel?
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I quan s'estima, què se sent?
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And when you desire, how is it different?
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I quan es desitja, què té de diferent?
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These are some of the questions
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Aquestes són algunes
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that are at the center of my exploration on the nature of erotic desire
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de les preguntes centrals del meu estudi
sobre la natura del desig eròtic
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and its concomitant dilemmas in modern love.
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i els seus dilemes en l'amor modern.
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So I travel the globe,
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Viatjant pel món
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and what I'm noticing is that everywhere where romanticism has entered,
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he notat que
quan arriba el romanticisme
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there seems to be a crisis of desire.
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sembla que hi ha una crisi del desig.
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A crisis of desire, as in owning the wanting --
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Una crisi del desig per ja tenir el que es vol;
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desire as an expression of our individuality,
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desig com a expressió de la individualitat,
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of our free choice, of our preferences, of our identity --
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de la lliure elecció, de les preferències, de la identitat;
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desire that has become a central concept
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desig que ha esdevingut un concepte central
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as part of modern love and individualistic societies.
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com a part de l'amor modern i de les societats individualistes.
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You know, this is the first time in the history of humankind
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És la primera vegada en la història
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where we are trying to experience sexuality in the long term
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en què intentem experimentar la sexualitat a llarg termini,
no perquè vulguem 14 nens,
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not because we want 14 children,
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for which we need to have even more because many of them won't make it,
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que llavors ho hauríem de fer més per aconseguir-los,
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and not because it is exclusively a woman's marital duty.
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i no perquè és un deure conjugal de la dona.
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This is the first time that we want sex over time
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És el primer cop que volem el sexe
pel plaer i la connexió que deriven del desig.
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about pleasure and connection that is rooted in desire.
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02:07
So what sustains desire, and why is it so difficult?
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Però què manté el desig i per què és tan difícil?
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And at the heart of sustaining desire in a committed relationship,
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I la base de mantenir el desig en una relació
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I think, is the reconciliation of two fundamental human needs.
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és conciliar dues necessitats fonamentals.
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On the one hand, our need for security, for predictability,
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D'una banda, la necesitat de seguretat, de predictibilitat,
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for safety, for dependability,
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de dependença, de confiança, de permanència...
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for reliability, for permanence.
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All these anchoring, grounding experiences of our lives
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tots aquests sentiments que ens fan
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that we call home.
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sentir com a casa.
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But we also have an equally strong need -- men and women --
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Però tant homes com dones també necessitem
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for adventure, for novelty,
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l'aventura, la novetat, el misteri, el risc, el perill,
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for mystery, for risk, for danger,
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for the unknown, for the unexpected, surprise --
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el desconegut, l'inesperat, la sorpresa...
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you get the gist.
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tot això... viatjar.
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For journey, for travel.
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So reconciling our need for security and our need for adventure
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Conciliar la necessitat de seguretat
i la d'aventura en una relació,
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into one relationship,
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or what we today like to call a passionate marriage,
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o el que avui s'anomena <i>matrimoni amb passió</i>,
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used to be a contradiction in terms.
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solia ser una contradicció.
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Marriage was an economic institution
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El matrimoni era una institució econòmica
en què tenies un compromís vitalici
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in which you were given a partnership for life
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in terms of children and social status
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amb els nens, un estatus social,
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and succession and companionship.
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la successió i un company.
Ara volem que la parella ens doni tot això,
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But now we want our partner to still give us all these things,
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but in addition I want you to be my best friend
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però que també sigui el nostre millor amic
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and my trusted confidant and my passionate lover to boot,
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i el nostre confident i el nostre amant apassionat,
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and we live twice as long.
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i vivim el doble d'anys.
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(Laughter)
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(Riures)
Quan ens acostem a algú, li estem demanant
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So we come to one person, and we basically are asking them
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to give us what once an entire village used to provide.
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que ens doni el que abans donava un poble sencer:
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Give me belonging, give me identity,
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Vull ser part d'una cosa, una identitat i continuïtat,
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give me continuity,
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but give me transcendence and mystery and awe all in one.
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però vull transcendència i misteri i emocions tot alhora.
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Give me comfort, give me edge.
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Vull viure segura i al límit.
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Give me novelty, give me familiarity.
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Vull novetat i familiaritat.
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Give me predictability, give me surprise.
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Vull predictibilitat i sorpresa.
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And we think it's a given,
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I ho donem per fet i creiem que les joguines i la llenceria ens salvaran.
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and toys and lingerie are going to save us with that.
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03:58
(Laughter)
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(Aplaudiments)
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(Applause)
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Ara veiem la realitat existencial de la història, oi?
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So now we get to the existential reality of the story, right?
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04:08
Because I think, in some way --
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Perquè crec -i després tornaré a aquest punt-
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and I'll come back to that --
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04:14
but the crisis of desire is often a crisis of the imagination.
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que la crisi del desig és una crisi de la imaginació.
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So why does good sex so often fade?
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Per què el bon sexe s'acaba perdent?
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What is the relationship between love and desire?
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Quina és la relació entre l'amor i el desig?
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How do they relate, and how do they conflict?
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Com es relacionen i com entren en conflicte?
Aquí rau el misteri de l'erotisme.
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Because therein lies the mystery of eroticism.
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So if there is a verb, for me, that comes with love, it's "to have."
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Si hi ha un verb associat a l'amor, és <i>tenir</i>.
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And if there is a verb that comes with desire, it is "to want."
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I si hi ha un verb associat al desig, és <i>voler</i>.
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In love, we want to have, we want to know the beloved.
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En l'amor volem tenir i volem conèixer l'estimat.
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We want to minimize the distance.
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Volem minimitzar la distància, aproximar-nos-hi.
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We want to contract that gap.
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We want to neutralize the tensions.
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Volem eliminar les tensions. Volem proximitat.
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We want closeness.
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Però en el desig no volem tornar als llocs on ja hem estat.
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But in desire,
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we tend to not really want to go back to the places we've already gone.
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Forgone conclusion does not keep our interest.
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El desenllaç previsible no és atractiu.
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In desire, we want an Other,
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En el desig volem algú altre, algú a visitar a l'altre costat,
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somebody on the other side that we can go visit,
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amb qui puguem passar un temps,
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that we can go spend some time with,
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that we can go see what goes on in their red-light district.
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que puguem tafanejar el seu districte vermell.
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You know?
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En el desig volem un pont a creuar.
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In desire, we want a bridge to cross.
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Or in other words, I sometimes say, fire needs air.
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En altres paraules, el foc necessita aire.
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Desire needs space.
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El desig vol espai.
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And when it's said like that, it's often quite abstract.
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Quan es diu així, pot sonar abstracte.
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But then I took a question with me.
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I vaig agafar la meva pregunta
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And I've gone to more than 20 countries in the last few years
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i he visitat més de 20 països en els últims anys
amb el meu llibre sobre relacions preguntant:
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with "Mating in Captivity," and I asked people,
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when do you find yourself most drawn to your partner?
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"Quan sents que la teva parella t'atrau més?"
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Not attracted sexually, per Se, but most drawn.
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No l'atracció sexual, sinó en general.
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And across culture, across religion, and across gender -- except for one --
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I en diferents cultures, religions i gèneres
algunes respostes es repeteixen sempre.
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there are a few answers that just keep coming back.
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El primer grup és: M'atrau més quan no hi és,
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So the first group is:
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I am most drawn to my partner when she is away,
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quan estem separats, quan ens retrobem.
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when we are apart, when we reunite.
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Basically, when I get back in touch
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Això és quan recupero
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with my ability to imagine myself with my partner,
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l'habilitat d'imaginar-me amb la parella,
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when my imagination comes back in the picture,
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quan la imaginació torna a tenir un paper
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and when I can root it in absence and in longing,
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a causa de l'absència i l'enyorança,
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which is a major component of desire.
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el component principal del desig.
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But then the second group is even more interesting.
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El segon grup és encara més interessant:
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I am most drawn to my partner
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La meva parella m'atrau més
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when I see him in the studio,
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quan el veig a l'estudi, a l'escenari,
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when she is onstage,
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when he is in his element,
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en el seu element, quan fa una cosa que l'apassiona,
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when she's doing something she's passionate about,
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when I see him at a party and other people are really drawn to him,
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quan altra gent s'interessa per ell en una festa,
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when I see her hold court.
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quan és el centre d'atenció.
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Basically, when I look at my partner radiant and confident.
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És a dir, quan el veig radiant i confiat,
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Probably the biggest turn-on across the board.
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probablement, el més atractiu de tots.
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Radiant, as in self-sustaining.
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Radiant perquè és autosuficient.
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I look at this person -- by the way, in desire
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Miro aquesta persona... Per cert, en el desig
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people rarely talk about it, when we are blended into one,
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quasi mai parlem així d'aprop,
a 5 cm. No sé quant és en polzades.
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five centimeters from each other.
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I don't know in inches how much that is.
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But it's also not when the other person is that far apart
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Però tampoc no és quan l'altre és tan lluny
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that you no longer see them.
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que ja no el veiem.
És quan miro la parella d'una distància còmoda,
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It's when I'm looking at my partner from a comfortable distance,
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where this person that is already so familiar, so known,
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quan ja m'és familiar i coneguda,
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is momentarily once again somewhat mysterious, somewhat elusive.
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que es torna misteriosa i evasiva per un moment.
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And in this space between me and the other lies the erotic élan,
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I en aquest espai intermedi rau l'impuls eròtic,
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lies that movement toward the other.
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aquest moviment cap a l'altre.
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Because sometimes, as Proust says,
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Perquè a vegades, com deia Proust,
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mystery is not about traveling to new places,
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el misteri no és viatjar a llocs nous,
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but it's about looking with new eyes.
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sinó mirar amb uns altres ulls.
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And so, when I see my partner on his own or her own,
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Per això, quan veig la parella a la seva,
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doing something in which they are enveloped,
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submergida en alguna activitat,
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I look at this person and I momentarily get a shift in perception,
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tinc un canvi de percepció en veure-la
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and I stay open to the mysteries that are living right next to me.
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i m'obro al misteri que tinc al davant.
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And then, more importantly, in this description about the other
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El més important és que en aquesta descripció
de l'altre o de mi mateixa -és el mateix-
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or myself -- it's the same --
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what is most interesting is that there is no neediness in desire.
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no hi ha dependència en el desig.
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Nobody needs anybody.
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Ningú no necessita ningú.
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There is no caretaking in desire.
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No hi ha atencions en el desig.
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Caretaking is mightily loving.
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Les atencions enforteixen l'amor, però són un antiafrodisíac.
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It's a powerful anti-aphrodisiac.
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(Laughter)
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I have yet to see somebody who is so turned on
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Encara no he vist mai ningú excitat
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by somebody who needs them.
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per algú que el necessiti.
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Wanting them is one thing.
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Voler-lo és una cosa. Necessitar-lo destrempa
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Needing them is a shot down
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and women have known that forever,
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i les dones sempre ho han sabut
perquè tot el que porti a ser pares
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because anything that will bring up parenthood
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will usually decrease the erotic charge.
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disminuïrà la càrrega eròtica.
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(Laughter)
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For good reasons, right?
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Per bons motius, no?
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And then the third group of answers usually would be:
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I el tercer grup de respostes eren del tipus:
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when I'm surprised, when we laugh together,
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quan em sorprèn, quan riem junts.
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as somebody said to me in the office today,
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Com algú ha dit avui a l'oficina,
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when he's in his tux, so I said, you know,
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quan va amb esmòquing.
Un esmòquing o botes de vaquer;
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it's either the tux or the cowboy boots.
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es tracta bàsicament de la novetat.
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But basically it's when there is novelty.
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08:38
But novelty isn't about new positions.
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Però la novetat no són posicions noves o un repertori de tècniques.
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It isn't a repertoire of techniques.
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És: Quines parts de tu destaques?
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Novelty is, what parts of you do you bring out?
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08:46
What parts of you are just being seen?
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Quines parts són visibles?
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Because in some way one could say sex isn't something you do, eh?
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Perquè algú podria dir que el sexe
no és una cosa que es fa.
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Sex is a place you go.
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És un lloc on vas, un lloc on entres
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It's a space you enter
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inside yourself and with another, or others.
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dins teu i amb un altre, o altres.
On aneu en el sexe?
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So where do you go in sex?
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What parts of you do you connect to?
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Amb quines parts de vosaltres connecteu?
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What do you seek to express there?
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Què voleu expressar?
Hi ha lloc per a la unió trascendental i espiritual?
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Is it a place for transcendence and spiritual union?
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Is it a place for naughtiness and is it a place to be safely aggressive?
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O és per ser dolent i agressiu, però segur?
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Is it a place where you can finally surrender
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És per poder-vos rendir
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and not have to take responsibility for everything?
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i poder oblidar les responsabilitats?
És quan podeu expressar els desitjos infantils?
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Is it a place where you can express your infantile wishes?
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Què hi passa? És un llenguatge,
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What comes out there? It's a language.
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It isn't just a behavior.
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no només un comportament.
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And it's the poetic of that language that I'm interested in,
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I el que m'interessa d'aquest llenguatge és la poesia,
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which is why I began to explore this concept of erotic intelligence.
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per això em vaig posar a estudiar la intel·ligència eròtica.
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You know, animals have sex.
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Els animals tenen sexe.
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It's the pivot, it's biology, it's the natural instinct.
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És la base, és la biologia, és l'instint natural.
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We are the only ones who have an erotic life,
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Nosaltres som els únics amb erotisme,
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which means that it's sexuality transformed by the human imagination.
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la sexualitat tranformada per la imaginació humana.
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We are the only ones who can make love for hours,
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Som els únics que fem l'amor durant hores,
09:53
have a blissful time, multiple orgasms,
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ho passem bé i tenim múltiples orgasmes
09:55
and touch nobody, just because we can imagine it.
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sense tocar ningú, només amb la imaginació.
09:59
We can hint at it. We don't even have to do it.
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Ni tan sols ens fa falta fer-ho.
10:02
We can experience that powerful thing called anticipation,
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Gaudim del poder de predir i anticipar-nos,
10:06
which is a mortar to desire.
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una gran arma del desig,
10:08
The ability to imagine it, as if it's happening,
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l'habilitat d'imaginar com si passés,
de sentir-ho com si passés sense que passi,
10:12
to experience it as if it's happening,
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10:14
while nothing is happening
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10:16
and everything is happening, at the same time.
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però mentre tot passa alhora.
10:18
So when I began to think about eroticism,
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Al principi d'estudiar l'erotisme
10:21
I began to think about the poetics of sex.
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pensava en la poètica del sexe,
10:24
And if I look at it as an intelligence,
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i si ho considero com una intel·ligència,
10:27
then it's something that you cultivate.
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és una cosa que es pot cultivar.
10:29
What are the ingredients?
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Els ingredients? La imaginació, ser juganer,
10:30
Imagination, playfulness,
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10:33
novelty, curiosity, mystery.
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la novetat, la curiositat, el misteri.
Però l'agent central és la imaginació.
10:37
But the central agent is really that piece called the imagination.
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10:41
But more importantly, for me to begin to understand
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Però més important, per entendre
10:44
who are the couples who have an erotic spark,
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quines parelles mantenen la guspira
10:47
what sustains desire,
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i què manté el desig, vaig haver de tornar
10:49
I had to go back to the original definition of eroticism,
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a la definició original de l'erotisme,
10:52
the mystical definition,
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la definició mística. I vaig prendre
10:54
and I went through it through a bifurcation
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un desviament passant primer pel trauma,
10:56
by looking, actually, at trauma,
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which is the other side.
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que és l'oposat. El vaig observar
11:00
And I looked at it,
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11:01
looking at the community that I had grown up in,
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mirant la comunitat en què vaig créixer,
11:04
which was a community in Belgium, all Holocaust survivors,
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una comunitat belga, tots supervivents de l'Holocaust.
A la comunitat hi havia dos grups:
11:08
and in my community, there were two groups:
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those who didn't die, and those who came back to life.
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els que no van morir i els que van tornar a la vida.
11:14
And those who didn't die lived often very tethered to the ground,
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Els que no van morir estaven molt limitats,
11:17
could not experience pleasure, could not trust,
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no sentien plaer i desconfiaven.
11:21
because when you're vigilant, worried, anxious, and insecure,
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Perquè quan estàs vigilant, preocupat, neguitós
i insegur, no pots aixecar el cap
11:25
you can't lift your head to go and take off in space
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i enlairar-te i jugar, sentir-te segur i imaginar.
11:29
and be playful and safe and imaginative.
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11:32
Those who came back to life
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Els que van tornar a la vida
11:34
were those who understood the erotic as an antidote to death.
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van entendre l'erotisme com l'antídot de la mort.
11:37
They knew how to keep themselves alive.
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Sabien com mantenir-se vius.
11:41
And when I began to listen
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I escoltant l'asexualitat de les parelles amb què treballo,
11:42
to the sexlessness of the couples that I work with,
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11:45
I sometimes would hear people say, "I want more sex,"
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alguns diuen: "Vull més sexe."
Però la gent normalment vol millor sexe,
11:48
but generally, people want better sex,
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11:50
and better is to reconnect with that quality of aliveness,
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i millor és per reconnectar amb sentir-se viu,
11:54
of vibrancy, of renewal, of vitality,
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amb vibrar, renovar-se, la vitalitat, amb Eros i l'energia
11:56
of Eros, of energy
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11:58
that sex used to afford them,
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que el sexe els permetia, o que esperaven
12:00
or that they've hoped it would afford them.
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que els permetés.
12:02
And so I began to ask a different question.
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I vaig canviar a una pregunta diferent.
"M'aïllo quan..." era la nova pregunta.
12:06
"I shut myself off when ..." began to be the question.
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12:10
"I turn off my desires when ..."
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"Desconnecto els desitjos quan..." que no és el mateix que
12:12
Which is not the same question as,
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"Em desexcita que..." i "Tu em desexcites quan..."
12:14
"What turns me off is ..." and "You turn me off when ..."
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I la gent deia: "M'aïllo quan em sento
12:18
And people began to say, "I turn myself off when
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I feel dead inside, when I don't like my body,
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mort per dins, quan no m'agrada el meu cos,
em sento vell, no tinc temps per a mi,
12:24
when I feel old,
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12:25
when I haven't had time for myself,
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12:27
when I haven't had a chance to even check in with you,
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no he tingut l'oportunitat ni de parlar amb tu,
12:29
when I don't perform well at work,
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tinc mals resultats a la feina,
12:31
when I feel low self esteem,
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quan tinc poca autoestima, no em valoro gens,
12:33
when I don't have a sense of self-worth,
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quan no sento que tinc el dret de voler, de tenir
12:35
when I don't feel like I have a right to want, to take,
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12:37
to receive pleasure."
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o de rebre plaer."
12:40
And then I began to ask the reverse question.
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Llavors vaig invertir la pregunta.
12:42
"I turn myself on when ..."
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"M'activo quan..." Perquè generalment
12:44
Because most of the time, people like to ask the question,
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ens agrada preguntar "Tu m'excites quan..." o
12:47
"You turn me on, what turns me on,"
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"El que m'excita és..." i jo no en formo part.
12:49
and I'm out of the question, you know?
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12:51
Now, if you are dead inside,
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Si tu no hi participes, l'altre pot fer moltes coses per Sant Valentí
12:53
the other person can do a lot of things for Valentine's.
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12:56
It won't make a dent. There is nobody at the reception desk.
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i no servirà de res. No hi ha ningú a recepció.
(Riures)
12:59
(Laughter)
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13:00
So I turn myself on when,
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Per tant, jo m'activo quan,
13:02
I turn on my desires, I wake up when ...
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encenc els meus desitjos, em desperto quan...
13:06
Now, in this paradox between love and desire,
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En la paradoxa entre amor i desig,
13:11
what seems to be so puzzling
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sembla sorprenent que els ingredients
13:13
is that the very ingredients that nurture love --
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de l'amor -bidirecionalitat, reciprocitat,
13:17
mutuality, reciprocity,
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13:19
protection, worry, responsibility for the other --
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protecció, preocupació, responsabilitat-
13:23
are sometimes the very ingredients that stifle desire.
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són a vegades els que reprimeixen el desig.
13:27
Because desire comes with a host of feelings
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El desig ve amb un grup de sentiments
13:31
that are not always such favorites of love:
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que no són tan bons per a l'amor:
13:35
jealousy, possessiveness,
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gelosia, possessió, agressivitat, poder, domini,
13:37
aggression, power, dominance,
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atreviment, trapelleria.
13:40
naughtiness, mischief.
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13:41
Basically most of us will get turned on at night by the very same things
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De fet, la majoria ens excitarem de nit
per les coses contra les que ens manifestem de dia.
13:46
that we will demonstrate against during the day.
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13:48
You know, the erotic mind is not very politically correct.
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La ment eròtica no és gaire políticament correcta.
13:52
If everybody was fantasizing on a bed of roses,
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Si tothom fantasiés amb un llit de roses,
13:54
we wouldn't be having such interesting talks about this.
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no tindríem converses interessants sobre el tema.
13:57
(Laughter)
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13:58
But no, in our mind up there are a host of things going on
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No. En la nostra ment
hi passen moltes coses que no sempre sabem
14:03
that we don't always know how to bring to the person that we love,
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exposar a la persona que estimem
14:07
because we think love comes with selflessness
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perquè pensem que l'amor és altruista
14:09
and in fact desire comes with a certain amount of selfishness
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i, de fet, el desig conté cert egoisme,
14:13
in the best sense of the word:
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en el bon sentit de la paraula:
14:15
the ability to stay connected to one's self in the presence of another.
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l'habilitat de connectar amb un mateix
en presència de l'altre.
14:20
So I want to draw that little image for you,
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I us vull dibuixar aquesta imatge,
14:22
because this need to reconcile these two sets of needs,
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perquè hem nascut amb la necessitat de conciliar
14:26
we are born with that.
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aquests dos aspectes.
14:28
Our need for connection, our need for separateness,
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La necessitat de connexió i d'espai,
14:31
or our need for security and adventure,
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de seguretat i d'aventura,
14:33
or our need for togetherness and for autonomy,
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d'estar junts i ser autònoms.
Si penseu en un nen que us seu a la falda
14:36
and if you think about the little kid who sits on your lap
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càlidament, confiat, segur i còmode,
14:39
and who is cozily nested here and very secure and comfortable,
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14:43
and at some point all of us need to go out into the world
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algun dia tots hem de sortir al món
14:47
to discover and to explore.
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a explorar i descobrir.
14:49
That's the beginning of desire,
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Això és l'inici del desig:
14:51
that exploratory need, curiosity, discovery.
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l'exploració, la curiositat, la descoberta.
Algun dia el nen es girarà, et mirarà
14:56
And then at some point they turn around and they look at you.
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i si li dius
15:00
And if you tell them,
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15:01
"Hey kiddo, the world's a great place.
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"Ei, el món és un lloc genial. Vés.
15:03
Go for it. There's so much fun out there,"
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T'ho passaràs molt bé.",
15:06
then they can turn away and they can experience
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llavors podrà marxar i experimentar
15:08
connection and separateness at the same time.
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la connexió i l'autonomia alhora.
15:10
They can go off in their imagination, off in their body,
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Gaudirà de la imaginació, del seu cos
15:14
off in their playfulness,
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i dels jocs, sempre sabent
15:16
all the while knowing that there's somebody when they come back.
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que hi haurà algú quan torni.
15:19
But if on this side there is somebody who says,
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Però si hi ha algú que diu
15:22
"I'm worried. I'm anxious. I'm depressed.
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"Estic preocupat, negitós i deprimit.
15:25
My partner hasn't taken care of me in so long.
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La meva parella ja no té cura de mi.
Què hi ha allà a fora? No ho tenim tot
15:28
What's so good out there?
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15:29
Don't we have everything you need together, you and I?"
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estant junts tu i jo?",
15:32
then there are a few little reactions
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hi ha algunes reaccions
15:34
that all of us can pretty much recognize.
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que tots podem reconèixer.
15:38
Some of us will come back,
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Alguns tornarem o vam tornar ja fa temps.
15:41
came back a long time ago,
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15:42
and that little child who comes back
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I aquest nen que torna
15:45
is the child who will forgo a part of himself
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és el que renunciarà a una part d'ell mateix
per no perdre'n una altra.
15:48
in order not to lose the other.
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15:50
I will lose my freedom in order not to lose connection.
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Perdré la meva llibertat per no perdre la connexió.
15:54
And I will learn to love in a certain way
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Aprendré a estimar d'una manera
carregada de preocupacions de més
15:57
that will become burdened with extra worry
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16:01
and extra responsibility and extra protection,
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i responsabilitat i protecció de més
16:04
and I won't know how to leave you
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i no sabré com deixar-te
16:07
in order to go play, in order to go experience pleasure,
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per sortir a jugar, per experimentar el plaer,
16:10
in order to discover, to enter inside myself.
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per descobrir, per veure'm per dins.
16:13
Translate this into adult language.
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Traduïm-ho al llenguatge adult.
16:16
It starts very young.
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Comença de petit i continua en la vida sexual
16:18
It continues into our sex lives up to the end.
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fins al final.
16:22
Child number two comes back
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Un segon nen torna
16:24
but looks like that over their shoulder all the time.
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però aquest et mira de dalt a baix.
16:27
"Are you going to be there?
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"Et quedaràs aquí?
16:29
Are you going to curse me, scold me?
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M'alliçonaràs? Em renyaràs?
16:31
Are you going to be angry with me?"
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T'enfadaràs amb mi?"
16:33
And they may be gone, but they're never really away.
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I potser no hi són, però mai no marxen del tot,
16:36
And those are often the people that will tell you,
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i són els que sovint et diran
que al principi era molt excitant.
16:39
"In the beginning, it was super hot."
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16:41
Because in the beginning,
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Al principi, la intimitat creixent
16:43
the growing intimacy wasn't yet so strong
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no era tan forta
16:46
that it actually led to the decrease of desire.
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que pogués disminuir el desig.
16:49
The more connected I became, the more responsible I felt,
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Com més em connectava, més responsable em sentia
16:53
the less I was able to let go in your presence.
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i em cohibia més en la teva presència.
16:56
The third child doesn't really come back.
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Un tercer nen no torna.
16:59
So what happens, if you want to sustain desire,
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El que passa si vols mantenir el desig
17:03
it's that real dialectic piece.
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és aquest equilibri.
17:05
On the one hand you want the security in order to be able to go.
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D'una banda, vols seguretat per poder deixar-te anar.
17:08
On the other hand if you can't go, you can't have pleasure,
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D'altra banda, si no pots marxar, no obtindràs plaer,
17:12
you can't culminate, you don't have an orgasm,
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no podràs arribar a aconseguir un orgasme,
17:15
you don't get excited because you spend your time
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no t'excitaràs perquè et centraràs constantment
17:18
in the body and the head of the other and not in your own.
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en el cos i el cap de l'altre i no els teus propis.
17:21
So in this dilemma about reconciling these two sets of fundamental needs,
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En aquest dilema de conciliar
els dos grups de necessitats fonamentals,
17:27
there are a few things that I've come to understand erotic couples do.
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hi ha coses que he observat que les parelles eròtiques fan.
17:31
One, they have a lot of sexual privacy.
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Tenen molta privacitat sexual.
17:34
They understand that there is an erotic space
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Entenen que hi ha un espai eròtic
17:37
that belongs to each of them.
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que és personal de cada u.
17:39
They also understand that foreplay is not something you do
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També entenen que els preliminars no són només
17:42
five minutes before the real thing.
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cinc minuts abans del plat fort.
17:44
Foreplay pretty much starts at the end of the previous orgasm.
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Els preliminars comencen just després de l'orgasme previ.
També entenen que l'espai eròtic
17:48
They also understand that an erotic space isn't about,
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17:51
you begin to stroke the other.
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no és acariciar l'altre.
17:53
It's about you create a space where you leave Management Inc.,
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És crear un espai per desconnectar de la rutina,
17:56
maybe where you leave the Agile program --
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de deixar de tocar les tecles amb avorrida inèrcia,
17:59
(Laughter)
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(Riures)
i d'entrar en aquell lloc
18:02
And you actually just enter that place where you stop being the good citizen
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on ja no ets un bon ciutadà
18:06
who is taking care of things and being responsible.
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que té cura de coses i és responsable.
18:09
Responsibility and desire just butt heads.
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La responsabilitat i el desig es repel·leixen.
18:12
They don't really do well together.
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No funcionen bé junts.
18:15
Erotic couples also understand that passion waxes and wanes.
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Les parelles eròtiques saben que la passió va i ve.
18:19
It's pretty much like the moon.
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És com la lluna; té eclipsis intermitents.
18:21
It has intermittent eclipses.
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18:23
But what they know is they know how to resurrect it.
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Però també saben com ressucitar-la.
18:25
They know how to bring it back.
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Saben fer-la tornar
18:27
And they know how to bring it back
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i són capaços de fer-ho
perquè han desmitificat el gran mite,
18:29
because they have demystified one big myth,
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18:31
which is the myth of spontaneity,
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el mite de l'espontaneïtat, que diu
18:33
which is that it's just going to fall from heaven
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que et caurà del cel mentre plegues la roba
18:36
while you're folding the laundry like a deus ex machina,
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com una acció divina. Ells entenen
18:39
and in fact they understood
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que el que pugui passar
18:41
that whatever is going to just happen in a long-term relationship, already has.
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en una relació a llarg termini, ja ha passat.
18:46
Committed sex is premeditated sex.
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El sexe en el compromís és premeditat.
És voluntari, intencionat.
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It's willful. It's intentional.
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És perserverança i presència.
18:52
It's focus and presence.
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Feliç Sant Valentí.
18:55
Merry Valentine's.
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18:56
(Applause)
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(Aplaudiments)
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