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譯者: Coco Shen
審譯者: Yesbydefault 倪文娟
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Seventy-thousand years ago, our ancestors
were insignificant animals.
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七萬年前,我們的先祖
不過是各種動物中的一種。
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The most important thing to know
about prehistoric humans
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當你想到原人時,最重要的是
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is that they were unimportant.
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他們一點也不重要。
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Their impact on the world was not
much greater than that of jellyfish
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他們對世界的影響力
和水母、螢火蟲、啄木鳥差別不大。
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or fireflies or woodpeckers.
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Today, in contrast,
we control this planet.
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今天,我們卻變成地球的霸主。
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And the question is:
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所以問題是:
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How did we come from there to here?
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我們是怎麼走到這一步的?
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How did we turn ourselves
from insignificant apes,
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我們是如何從毫不起眼的人猿,
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minding their own business
in a corner of Africa,
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在非洲的角落自生自滅,
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into the rulers of planet Earth?
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搖身一變成為地球霸主的?
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Usually, we look for the difference
between us and all the other animals
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通常我們會在個體差異上
檢視我們與其它動物的分別,
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on the individual level.
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We want to believe -- I want to believe --
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我們想信 - 我想要相信
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that there is something special about me,
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我們與眾不同,
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about my body, about my brain,
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我的身體,我的大腦,
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that makes me so superior
to a dog or a pig, or a chimpanzee.
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讓我遠比狗、豬,或是黒猩猩優越。
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But the truth is that,
on the individual level,
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但事實是,就個體差異來說
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I'm embarrassingly similar
to a chimpanzee.
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我和黑猩猩驚人的相似。
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And if you take me and a chimpanzee
and put us together on some lonely island,
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如果你把我和一頭黒猩猩置於同一孤島
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and we had to struggle for survival
to see who survives better,
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看我們之中誰能存活的更好,
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I would definitely place my bet
on the chimpanzee, not on myself.
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我會把籌碼放在黒猩猩身上,
而不是我自己。
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And this is not something
wrong with me personally.
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這不是因為我個人的缺陷,
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I guess if they took almost any one
of you, and placed you alone
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我想如果有人把你們其中任何人
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with a chimpanzee on some island,
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與一頭黒猩猩一起放在孤島上,
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the chimpanzee would do much better.
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黑猩猩絕對會生存的更好。
01:50
The real difference between humans
and all other animals
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真正讓人類與其它動物分別開來的特質
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is not on the individual level;
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不是個體的,
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it's on the collective level.
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而是群體的。
01:59
Humans control the planet
because they are the only animals
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人類控制地球,
是因為我們是唯一
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that can cooperate both flexibly
and in very large numbers.
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可以大規模靈活合作的動物。
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Now, there are other animals --
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其它動物,
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like the social insects,
the bees, the ants --
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那些昆蟲,蜜蜂、螞蟻,
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that can cooperate in large numbers,
but they don't do so flexibly.
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牠們也可以大規模地合作,
但沒有像我們這樣靈活。
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Their cooperation is very rigid.
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牠們的合作方式是固定的。
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There is basically just one way
in which a beehive can function.
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蜂窩總是用同一種方式運作。
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And if there's a new opportunity
or a new danger,
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就算遇上新的機會、新的威脅,
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the bees cannot reinvent
the social system overnight.
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蜜蜂無法在一夜之間改變分工方式
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They cannot, for example,
execute the queen
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譬如說,牠們無法處死蜂后,
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and establish a republic of bees,
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建立蜜蜂共和國,
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or a communist dictatorship
of worker bees.
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工蜂也不能組成共產獨裁政權。
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Other animals, like the social mammals --
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其它動物,那些群居的哺乳類動物
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the wolves, the elephants,
the dolphins, the chimpanzees --
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狼、大象、海豚、黒猩猩 -
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they can cooperate much more flexibly,
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牠們的合作性更靈活,
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but they do so only in small numbers,
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但規模有限,
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because cooperation among chimpanzees
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因為黑猩猩合作的基礎是
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is based on intimate knowledge,
one of the other.
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對於彼此的瞭解與認知。
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I'm a chimpanzee and you're a chimpanzee,
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假設你我都是黒猩猩,
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and I want to cooperate with you.
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我想和你合作,
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I need to know you personally.
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我需要先認識你。
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What kind of chimpanzee are you?
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你是哪種黒猩猩?
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Are you a nice chimpanzee?
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你是頭善良的黒猩猩?
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Are you an evil chimpanzee?
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還是邪惡的黒猩猩?
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Are you trustworthy?
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你可靠嗎?
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If I don't know you, how can I
cooperate with you?
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如果我不認識你,
我怎麼和你合作呢?
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The only animal that can combine
the two abilities together
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唯一擁有這兩種特質
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and cooperate both flexibly
and still do so in very large numbers
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既能大規模合作,又能保持靈活的,
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is us, Homo sapiens.
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只有我們,智人。
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One versus one, or even 10 versus 10,
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一比一,甚至十比十,
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chimpanzees might be better than us.
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黒猩猩可能都比我們優秀。
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But, if you pit 1,000 humans
against 1,000 chimpanzees,
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但,如果數目提高到
一千個人和一千頭黒猩猩
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the humans will win easily,
for the simple reason
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人類就能輕易獲勝,
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that a thousand chimpanzees
cannot cooperate at all.
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因為上千頭黒猩猩無法共同合作。
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And if you now try to cram
100,000 chimpanzees
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如果你嘗試把十萬頭黒猩猩,
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into Oxford Street,
or into Wembley Stadium,
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塞進牛津街、溫布萊體育館
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or Tienanmen Square or the Vatican,
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天安門廣場或梵諦岡,
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you will get chaos, complete chaos.
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絕對會陷入一片混亂。
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Just imagine Wembley Stadium
with 100,000 chimpanzees.
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想像塞滿十萬頭黒猩猩的溫布萊體育館,
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Complete madness.
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那個景象將有多瘋狂。
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In contrast, humans normally
gather there in tens of thousands,
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相對的,成千上萬的人時常一同在那,
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and what we get is not chaos, usually.
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也通常不會陷入混亂。
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What we get is extremely sophisticated
and effective networks of cooperation.
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我們有效率、有制度地合作。
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All the huge achievements
of humankind throughout history,
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人類在歷史上達成的巨大成就,
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whether it's building the pyramids
or flying to the moon,
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無論是金字塔還是上月球,
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have been based not
on individual abilities,
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都不是建立在個體的能力,
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but on this ability to cooperate
flexibly in large numbers.
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而是群體的靈活合作。
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Think even about this very talk
that I'm giving now:
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就像現在,我在這裡演講,
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I'm standing here in front of an audience
of about 300 or 400 people,
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面對三、四百個觀眾,
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most of you are complete strangers to me.
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絕大多數我都不認識。
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Similarly, I don't really know
all the people who have organized
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同樣的,我不認識所有策劃
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and worked on this event.
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或參與這個活動的人員。
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I don't know the pilot
and the crew members of the plane
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我不認識昨日帶我飛抵倫敦的
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that brought me over here,
yesterday, to London.
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駕駛員和機組人員。
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I don't know the people
who invented and manufactured
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我不認識這些設備的發明和製造者,
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this microphone and these cameras,
which are recording what I'm saying.
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但錄影機和麥克風正在拍攝這段演講。
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I don't know the people
who wrote all the books and articles
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為了準備這段演講,
我讀了不少書和文章,
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that I read in preparation for this talk.
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卻不認識這些作者。
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And I certainly don't know all the people
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我當然更不認識這場演講的
網路觀眾,
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who might be watching this talk
over the Internet,
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05:32
somewhere in Buenos Aires or in New Delhi.
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此刻可能正在布宜諾斯艾利斯、
或新德里。
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Nevertheless, even though
we don't know each other,
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然而,我們雖不認識彼此,
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we can work together to create
this global exchange of ideas.
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卻能合作創造這個世界平台,
互相交流。
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This is something chimpanzees cannot do.
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這是黑猩猩所做不到的。
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They communicate, of course,
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當然,牠們也能溝通,
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but you will never catch a chimpanzee
traveling to some distant chimpanzee band
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但你絕不會看到一隻黑猩猩
遠渡重洋
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to give them a talk about bananas
or about elephants,
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對另一群黑猩猩講解香蕉或大象,
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or anything else that might
interest chimpanzees.
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或任何黑猩猩有興趣的事。
06:05
Now cooperation is, of course,
not always nice;
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合作自然不是只有好事,
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all the horrible things humans
have been doing throughout history --
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人類歷史上所有恐怖的事件 -
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and we have been doing
some very horrible things --
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我們的確做過一些非常恐怖的事 -
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all those things are also based
on large-scale cooperation.
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同樣也是用大規模合作達成的。
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Prisons are a system of cooperation;
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監獄是一種合作系統,
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slaughterhouses are a system
of cooperation;
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屠宰場是一種合作系統,
06:26
concentration camps
are a system of cooperation.
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集中營是一種合作系統,
06:29
Chimpanzees don't have slaughterhouses
and prisons and concentration camps.
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黒猩猩沒有屠宰場、監獄、或集中營。
06:36
Now suppose I've managed
to convince you perhaps that yes,
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現在或許我已經說服你
我們的確掌控了世界,
因為我們能大規模靈活合作。
06:40
we control the world because we can
cooperate flexibly in large numbers.
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06:45
The next question that immediately arises
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下一個問題隨之而來,
06:48
in the mind of an inquisitive listener is:
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好奇的聽眾心裡想:
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How, exactly, do we do it?
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我們是怎麼做到的?
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What enables us alone, of all the animals,
to cooperate in such a way?
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在所有動物中,
為什麼只有我們這樣合作?
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The answer is our imagination.
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答案是我們的想像力。
07:04
We can cooperate flexibly
with countless numbers of strangers,
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我們之所以能和無數陌生人
靈活的合作,
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because we alone, of all
the animals on the planet,
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因為在這星球上的所有動物中,
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can create and believe fictions,
fictional stories.
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只有我們能創造和相信虛構的故事。
07:19
And as long as everybody believes
in the same fiction,
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只要大家相信同一個故事,
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everybody obeys and follows
the same rules,
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每個人服從並執行一樣的規則,
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the same norms, the same values.
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一樣的基準,一樣的價值觀。
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All other animals use
their communication system
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其它動物的溝通,
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only to describe reality.
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只限於描述真實的物事。
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A chimpanzee may say, "Look!
There's a lion, let's run away!"
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黒猩猩說:「看啊!有獅子!快跑!」
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Or, "Look! There's a banana tree
over there! Let's go and get bananas!"
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或是:「看啊!有棵香蕉樹!
去摘香蕉吧!」
07:45
Humans, in contrast, use their language
not merely to describe reality,
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而人類呢,我們的語言
不只是用來描述現實,
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but also to create new realities,
fictional realities.
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更能用來創造新的現實,
想像的現實。
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A human can say, "Look,
there is a god above the clouds!
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人可以說:「看啊!雲上有神!
08:01
And if you don't do what I tell you to do,
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如果你不聽從命令,
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when you die, God will punish you
and send you to hell."
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你死後,神會懲罰你下地獄。」
08:06
And if you all believe this story
that I've invented,
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如果你們都相信我發明的故事,
08:10
then you will follow the same
norms and laws and values,
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就會依循一樣的基準、法則、價值觀,
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and you can cooperate.
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你們就會合作。
08:16
This is something only humans can do.
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這件事只有人類做得到。
08:19
You can never convince a chimpanzee
to give you a banana
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你永遠無法說服一隻黑猩猩交出香蕉,
08:23
by promising him, "... after you die,
you'll go to chimpanzee heaven ..."
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就算你承諾牠:「死後,
你會上黑猩猩天堂..... 」
08:26
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:27
"... and you'll receive lots and lots
of bananas for your good deeds.
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「... 到時候你的善行
會為你贏得無數的香蕉。
08:31
So now give me this banana."
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現在,快把香蕉給我。」
08:32
No chimpanzee will ever
believe such a story.
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沒有任何黑猩猩會相信這種故事,
08:35
Only humans believe such stories,
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只有人類會相信這種故事。
08:38
which is why we control the world,
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這就是我們稱霸世界,
08:40
whereas the chimpanzees are locked up
in zoos and research laboratories.
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而黑猩猩卻淪落到
動物園和實驗室的原因。
08:46
Now you may find it acceptable that yes,
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或許你同意,
08:49
in the religious field, humans cooperate
by believing in the same fictions.
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的確,在宗教領域,
人們因為信仰相同而彼此合作,
08:56
Millions of people come together
to build a cathedral or a mosque
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百萬人同心合力建造教堂、清真寺,
09:01
or fight in a crusade or a jihad, because
they all believe in the same stories
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奮身投入各種聖戰,
全都是因為對於
神、天堂與地獄有著相同的信仰。
09:06
about God and heaven and hell.
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09:09
But what I want to emphasize
is that exactly the same mechanism
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但我想說的是同樣的運作機制,
09:15
underlies all other forms
of mass-scale human cooperation,
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存在於所有人類的大規模合作,
09:21
not only in the religious field.
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不限於宗教領域。
09:23
Take, for example, the legal field.
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譬如,法治概念。
09:26
Most legal systems today in the world
are based on a belief in human rights.
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現在世界上大部分的法律,
都以人權為基礎。
09:33
But what are human rights?
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但人權是什麼?
09:35
Human rights, just like God and heaven,
are just a story that we've invented.
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人權,就像神和天堂,
都是我們發明的故事。
09:40
They are not an objective reality;
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不是客觀的事實;
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they are not some biological effect
about homo sapiens.
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也不是智人的某種生理反應。
09:46
Take a human being,
cut him open, look inside,
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解剖人體,往裡探看,
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you will find the heart, the kidneys,
neurons, hormones, DNA,
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裡面有心臟、腎臟、神經元、
荷爾蒙、基因,
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but you won't find any rights.
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但找不到什麼權利。
09:58
The only place you find rights
are in the stories
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權利只存在於故事裡,
10:02
that we have invented and spread around
over the last few centuries.
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我們在近代世紀裡創造、散播的故事。
10:06
They may be very positive stories,
very good stories,
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這些故事可能很正面、很好,
10:11
but they're still just fictional stories
that we've invented.
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但仍然是我們虛構的。
10:15
The same is true of the political field.
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政治領域也一樣。
10:18
The most important factors
in modern politics are states and nations.
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國族是今日政治裡最重要的元素。
10:25
But what are states and nations?
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但國族是什麼?
10:27
They are not an objective reality.
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它並不是客觀事實。
10:29
A mountain is an objective reality.
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山嶽才是客觀事實。
10:32
You can see it, you can touch it,
you can even smell it.
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你看得到,摸得到,甚至聞得到。
10:36
But a nation or a state,
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但國族,
10:38
like Israel or Iran or France or Germany,
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像以色列、伊朗、法國或德國,
10:41
this is just a story that we've invented
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只是我們創造的故事,
10:44
and became extremely attached to.
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並且變得深信不疑。
10:46
The same is true of the economic field.
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經濟領域也一樣。
10:49
The most important actors today
in the global economy
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今日全球經濟的主角
10:53
are companies and corporations.
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是公司和企業。
10:56
Many of you today, perhaps, work
for a corporation,
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你們當中可能有許多人為企業工作,
11:00
like Google or Toyota or McDonald's.
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像谷歌或豐田汽車或麥當勞。
11:03
What exactly are these things?
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這些到底是什麼?
11:05
They are what lawyers call legal fictions.
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律師叫它們法人。
11:10
They are stories invented and maintained
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是虛構並且需要維持的故事,
11:13
by the powerful wizards we call lawyers.
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由厲害的巫師負責-
不過我們叫他們律師。
11:17
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:18
And what do corporations do all day?
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企業都在做些什麼?
11:22
Mostly, they try to make money.
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他們最大的目的是賺錢圖利。
11:25
Yet, what is money?
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但錢是什麼?
11:26
Again, money is not an objective reality;
it has no objective value.
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錢也不是客觀事實;
沒有任何客觀價值。
11:31
Take this green piece
of paper, the dollar bill.
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這張綠色的紙,一元鈔票,
11:35
Look at it -- it has no value.
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根本一文不值。
11:37
You cannot eat it, you cannot drink it,
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不能拿來吃,不能拿來喝,
11:39
you cannot wear it.
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也不能穿在身上。
11:41
But then came along
these master storytellers --
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但這些故事高手出現了 -
11:45
the big bankers,
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大銀行家、
11:47
the finance ministers,
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各國的財政部長、
11:48
the prime ministers --
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總理、首相 -
11:50
and they tell us a very convincing story:
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他們說著同一個動人的故事:
11:52
"Look, you see this green piece of paper?
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「你們看到這張綠色的紙嗎?
11:54
It is actually worth 10 bananas."
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它可以換十根香蕉。」
11:57
And if I believe it, and you believe it,
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如果我信了,你也信了,
11:59
and everybody believes it,
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大家都信了,
12:01
it actually works.
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手段就成功了。
12:03
I can take this worthless piece of paper,
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我可以拿著這張一文不值的紙,
12:06
go to the supermarket,
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到任何超市,
12:07
give it to a complete stranger
whom I've never met before,
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把它交給一位素昧平生的陌生人,
12:11
and get, in exchange, real bananas
which I can actually eat.
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換到真的香蕉,可以給我吃。
12:16
This is something amazing.
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這未免太神奇了!
12:18
You could never do it with chimpanzees.
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黑猩猩可辦不到。
12:20
Chimpanzees trade, of course:
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當然,黑猩猩也懂得交換:
12:22
"Yes, you give me a coconut,
I'll give you a banana."
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「你給我一顆椰子,我給你一根香蕉」
12:25
That can work.
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也行。
12:26
But, you give me
a worthless piece of paper
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但如果你給我一張廢紙,
12:29
and you except me to give you a banana?
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然後要我給你一根香蕉?
12:31
No way!
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做夢吧你!
12:32
What do you think I am, a human?
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你把我當什麼了,人類嗎?
12:34
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
12:36
Money, in fact, is
the most successful story
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錢,其實是人類史上,
12:41
ever invented and told by humans,
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最成功的故事。
12:43
because it is the only story
everybody believes.
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因為它是唯一一個所有人都相信的故事。
12:48
Not everybody believes in God,
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不是每個人都相信神,
12:51
not everybody believes in human rights,
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不是每個人都追求人權,
12:54
not everybody believes in nationalism,
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不是每個人都愛國,
12:57
but everybody believes in money,
and in the dollar bill.
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但每個人都相信錢,相信現金。
13:01
Take, even, Osama Bin Laden.
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就像賓拉登。
13:03
He hated American politics
and American religion
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他憎恨美國的政策和信仰,
13:07
and American culture,
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美國文化,
13:08
but he had no objection
to American dollars.
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但他完全不排斥美金,
13:11
He was quite fond of them, actually.
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其實挺愛的。
13:13
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:16
To conclude, then:
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結論是:
13:17
We humans control the world
because we live in a dual reality.
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人類稱霸世界,
因為我們活在雙重現實裡。
13:24
All other animals live
in an objective reality.
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其它動物活在客觀事實裡。
13:28
Their reality consists
of objective entities,
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牠們的真實世界存在於客觀現實,
13:33
like rivers and trees
and lions and elephants.
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像河流、樹木、獅子和大象。
13:38
We humans, we also live
in an objective reality.
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我們人類也活在客觀現實裡。
13:41
In our world, too, there are rivers
and trees and lions and elephants.
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我們也有河流、樹木、獅子和大象。
13:47
But over the centuries,
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但幾個世紀來,
13:49
we have constructed on top
of this objective reality
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我們在客觀現實上,
13:54
a second layer of fictional reality,
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建構了另一個層次的虛構現實,
13:57
a reality made of fictional entities,
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一個由虛構元素組成的現實:
14:01
like nations, like gods,
like money, like corporations.
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國族、神、錢、企業。
14:06
And what is amazing is that
as history unfolded,
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厲害的是在歷史進程裡,
14:11
this fictional reality became
more and more powerful
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這一層虛構的現實日漸強大,
14:16
so that today, the most powerful
forces in the world
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直到今日,世界上最強大的力量,
14:21
are these fictional entities.
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已經被這些虛構的主體把持。
14:23
Today, the very survival of rivers
and trees and lions and elephants
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今天,河流、樹、獅子和大象的存亡,
14:30
depends on the decisions and wishes
of fictional entities,
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端賴於這些虛構主體的決策和慾望,
14:35
like the United States, like Google,
like the World Bank --
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像美國、谷歌、世界銀行 -
14:40
entities that exist only
in our own imagination.
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這些只存在於我們想像中的主體。
14:44
Thank you.
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謝謝各位。
14:46
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
14:56
Bruno Giussani: Yuval, you have
a new book out.
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Bruno Guissani:烏瓦爾,
你剛出版一本新書
14:58
After Sapiens, you wrote another one,
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《人類大歷史》
之後,你又寫了一本,
15:00
and it's out in Hebrew, but not
yet translated into ...
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希伯來文的版本已經出版了,
但還沒翻譯成...
15:02
Yuval Noah Harari: I'm working on
the translation as we speak.
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烏瓦爾:我現在正在翻譯。
15:05
BG: In the book, if I
understand it correctly,
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BG:在這本書裡,
如果我想得沒錯的話,
15:08
you argue that the amazing breakthroughs
that we are experiencing right now
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你認為,當今奇妙的科技突破,
15:13
not only will potentially
make our lives better,
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不只會讓我們的生活更好,
15:16
but they will create -- and I quote you --
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更有可能創造 - 你這麼說 -
15:18
"... new classes and new class struggles,
just as the industrial revolution did."
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「...新的階級和新的階級鬥爭,
就像工業革命時期一樣。」
15:22
Can you elaborate for us?
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你可以多說一點嗎?
15:24
YNH: Yes. In the industrial revolution,
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烏瓦爾:好的。
工業革命時期,
15:26
we saw the creation of a new class
of the urban proletariat.
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創造了城市中的無產階級,
15:31
And much of the political and social
history of the last 200 years involved
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過去兩百年的政治社會史
15:36
what to do with this class,
and the new problems and opportunities.
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都在處理由此而生的新問題和機會。
15:40
Now, we see the creation of a new
massive class of useless people.
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現在,沒有用處的人
又形成了一個龐大的新階級。
15:44
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
15:46
As computers become better and better
in more and more fields,
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隨著電腦在越來越多的領域壯大,
15:51
there is a distinct possibility that
computers will out-perform us
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電腦處理許多事務的能力
極可能勝過人類,
15:56
in most tasks and will make
humans redundant.
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進而取代人類。
15:59
And then the big political
and economic question
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這個世紀
最大的政治和經濟問題是,
16:02
of the 21st century will be,
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「我們需要人類做什麼?」
16:05
"What do we need humans for?",
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16:07
or at least, "What do we need
so many humans for?"
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至少是
「我們需要這麼多人做什麼?」
16:10
BG: Do you have an answer in the book?
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BG:書裡會找到答案嗎?
16:13
YNH: At present, the best guess
we have is to keep them happy
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烏瓦爾:目前別無他法,
要安頓這些人,
只能暫時用藥物和電腦遊戲吧。
16:17
with drugs and computer games ...
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16:19
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
16:20
but this doesn't sound
like a very appealing future.
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雖然這前景堪憂。
16:23
BG: Ok, so you're basically saying
in the book and now,
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BG:所以你在書裡和在此演講的看法是,
16:26
that for all the discussion
about the growing evidence
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這麼多攀升證據所顯示的
16:28
of significant economic inequality,
we are just kind of at the beginning
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貧富懸殊、經濟極端不平等,
都只是一個新巨變的開端而已?
16:32
of the process?
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16:34
YNH: Again, it's not a prophecy;
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烏瓦爾:我還是要說,這不是預言;
16:35
it's seeing all kinds
of possibilities before us.
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只是評估眼前的所有可能性。
16:39
One possibility is this creation
of a new massive class of useless people.
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其中一種可能是
龐大廢人階級的誕生。
16:44
Another possibility is
the division of humankind
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另一種可能是把人類分工,
16:47
into different biological castes,
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分成不同的生物階級。
16:50
with the rich being upgraded
into virtual gods,
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富人升級成神,
16:55
and the poor being degraded
to this level of useless people.
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窮人則貶到無用之人的階級。
16:59
BG: I feel there is another TED talk
coming up in a year or two.
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BG:我想一兩年內會有這個 TED 演說。
17:02
Thank you, Yuval, for making the trip.
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謝謝你遠道而來。
17:04
YNH: Thanks!
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烏瓦爾:謝謝!
17:05
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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