The hilarious art of book design | Chip Kidd

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譯者: I-Hsiang Lin 審譯者: Nova Upinel Altesse
00:21
Hi.
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哈囉。
00:23
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:25
I did that for two reasons.
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我這麼做有兩個原因。
00:28
First of all, I wanted to give you
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第一,我要給你們一個
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a good visual first impression.
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好的第一視覺印象。
00:34
But the main reason I did it is that
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但主要原因是
00:37
that's what happens to me when I'm forced to wear
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這是當我被迫戴上女神卡卡怪異的麥克風時
00:40
a Lady Gaga skanky mic.
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就會做出來的事。
00:43
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:46
I'm used to a stationary mic.
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我習慣用定點式麥克風。
00:50
It's the sensible shoe of public address.
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那是公共演說的合理配備。
00:53
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:59
But you clamp this thing on my head, and something happens.
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但你把這東西夾在我頭上,有些事就發生了。
01:02
I just become skanky.
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我變得很怪。
01:05
(Laughter) So I'm sorry about that.
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(笑聲)所以我很抱歉。
01:09
And I'm already off-message.
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而且我已經偏離主題了。
01:12
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:15
Ladies and gentlemen,
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先生女士們,
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I have devoted the past 25 years of my life
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我奉獻我生命中過去的25年
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to designing books.
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用來設計書。
01:24
("Yes, BOOKS. You know, the bound volumes with ink on paper.
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「對,書本。你知道,油墨印刷在紙張上集結成冊的東西,
01:26
You cannot turn them off with a switch.
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你不能按開關把它關起來。
01:28
Tell your kids.")
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告訴你的孩子們。」
01:30
It all sort of started as a benign mistake,
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這一切的開始其實有點像是個良性的錯誤,
01:34
like penicillin. (Laughter)
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像盤尼西林。(笑聲)
01:37
What I really wanted
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當時我其實想要
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was to be a graphic designer
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成為一位平面設計師,
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at one of the big design firms in New York City.
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在紐約其中一家最大的設計公司工作。
01:44
But upon arrival there,
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但當我到了那裡,
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in the fall of 1986, and doing a lot of interviews,
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那是1986年的秋天,我參加了很多面試,
01:51
I found that the only thing I was offered
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而我唯一入取的職位是
01:54
was to be Assistant to the Art Director at Alfred A. Knopf,
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克諾普夫出版社(Alfred A. Knopf)藝術總監
01:57
a book publisher.
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的助理。
01:59
Now I was stupid,
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我當時很笨,
02:02
but not so stupid that I turned it down.
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但沒有笨到拒絕接受這個職位。
02:05
I had absolutely no idea
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我完全不知道
02:08
what I was about to become part of,
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我將要參與其中的是什麼,
02:10
and I was incredibly lucky.
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所以我是極為幸運。
02:12
Soon, it had occurred to me what my job was.
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很快地,我知道我的工作是什麼。
02:16
My job was to ask this question:
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我的工作是問這個問題:
02:19
"What do the stories look like?"
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「這些故事看起來是怎麼樣子?」
02:20
Because that is what Knopf is.
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因為這就是克諾普夫出版社的存在價值。
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It is the story factory, one of the very best in the world.
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它是個全世界最好的故事工廠之一。
02:26
We bring stories to the public.
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我們把故事帶給大眾。
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The stories can be anything,
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故事可以是任何東西,
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and some of them are actually true.
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當中有些甚至是真實的。
02:34
But they all have one thing in common:
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但它們都有個共同點。
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They all need to look like something.
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它們都長的像某個東西。
02:42
They all need a face.
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它們都需要一張臉。
02:45
Why? To give you a first impression
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為什麼?為了給你一個
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of what you are about to get into.
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你將得到的資訊的第一印象。
02:52
A book designer gives form to content,
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封面設計者賦予內容形體,
02:56
but also
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同時,
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manages a very careful balance between the two.
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小心地在兩者間取得平衡。
03:01
Now, the first day
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當我第一天
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of my graphic design training at Penn State University,
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在賓州州立大學上圖面設計課程時,
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the teacher, Lanny Sommese, came into the room
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我的教授,Lanny Sommese,走進教室,
03:09
and he drew a picture of an apple on the blackboard,
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在黑板上畫了一顆蘋果,
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and wrote the word "Apple" underneath,
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接著在下面寫上「蘋果」字樣,
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and he said, "OK. Lesson one. Listen up."
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然後他說,「好,第一課,聽好。」
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And he covered up the picture and he said,
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他把蘋果圖案遮起來,他說:
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"You either say this," and then he covered up the word,
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「你要不就這樣表現,」然後他把字遮起來,
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"or you show this.
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「不然就是這樣表現。
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But you don't do this."
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但你不能這麼做。」
03:29
Because this is treating your audience like a moron.
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因為這像是在說你的觀眾是傻瓜。
03:34
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:37
And they deserve better.
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而你的觀眾值得更好的。
03:40
And lo and behold, soon enough,
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於是你瞧,很快地,
03:42
I was able to put this theory to the test
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我可以將這個理論
03:45
on two books that I was working on for Knopf.
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用來測試我在克諾普夫出版社作的兩本書。
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The first was Katharine Hepburn's memoirs,
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第一本是Katharine Hepburn的回憶錄,
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and the second was a biography of Marlene Dietrich.
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第二本是Marlene Dietrich的傳記。
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Now the Hepburn book
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Hepburn這本書
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was written in a very conversational style,
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是用會話體寫成,
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it was like she was sitting across a table telling it all to you.
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就像是她坐在桌子另一邊告訴你全部的事。
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The Dietrich book was an observation
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Dietrich這本書
04:08
by her daughter; it was a biography.
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則是她女兒的觀察;是本傳記。
04:10
So the Hepburn story is words
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所以Hepburn的故事是字,
04:13
and the Dietrich story is pictures, and so we did this.
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Dietrich的故事是圖片,於是我們這麼做。
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So there you are.
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你可以看到。
04:20
Pure content and pure form, side by side.
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純萃的內容和形體,兩個擺在一起。
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No fighting, ladies.
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女士們,不要吵架。
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("What's a Jurassic Park?")
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「侏儸紀公園是什麼?」
04:28
Now, what is the story here?
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現在來看這個故事是什麼?
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Someone
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有人
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is re-engineering dinosaurs
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藉由提取
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by extracting their DNA
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史前時代琥珀中恐龍的DNA,
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from prehistoric amber.
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重新設計製造恐龍。
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Genius!
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真是天才!
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:50
Now, luckily for me,
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幸運的是,
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I live and work in New York City,
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我住在紐約,也在這裡工作,
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where there are plenty of dinosaurs.
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這裡有很多恐龍。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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So,
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於是,
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I went to the Museum of Natural History,
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我去了自然歷史博物館,
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and I checked out the bones, and I went to the gift shop,
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看了些骨頭,然後去禮品店,
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and I bought a book.
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買了一本書。
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And I was particularly taken with this page of the book,
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書中這一頁特別引起我的注意力,
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and more specifically the lower right-hand corner.
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尤其是右下角這部分。
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Now I took this diagram,
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於是我取這個圖表,
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and I put it in a Photostat machine,
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將它放在一台直接複印機上,
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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and I took a piece of tracing paper,
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然後我拿了一張描圖紙,
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and I taped it over the Photostat
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用3M思高膠帶
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with a piece of Scotch tape -- stop me if I'm going too fast --
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將它貼在複印紙上-- 阻止我如果我說太快 --
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(Laughter) --
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(笑聲)
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and then I took a Rapidograph pen --
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接著我拿一支工程針筆(Rapidograph) --
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explain it to the youngsters --
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跟年輕人解釋一下這是什麼 --
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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and I just started to reconstitute the dinosaur.
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於是我開始重新架構這隻恐龍。
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I had no idea what I was doing,
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我不知道我在做什麼,
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I had no idea where I was going,
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我不知道我的方向,
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but at some point, I stopped --
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但在某個時間點,我停下來 --
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when to keep going would seem like I was going too far.
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這時候再繼續似乎就會過頭了。
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And what I ended up with was a graphic representation
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於是我用這個我們看來是
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of us seeing this animal coming into being.
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動物活過來的圖像設計做為定案。
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We're in the middle of the process.
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我們正在設計過程的一半。
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And then I just threw some typography on it.
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接著我做了一些排版。
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Very basic stuff,
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非常基本的東西,
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slightly suggestive of public park signage.
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有點令人聯想到公共停車場招牌。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:37
Everybody in house loved it,
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公司內每個人都很喜歡,
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and so off it goes to the author.
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於是我們把它提交給作者。
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And even back then,
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即使在當時,
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Michael was on the cutting edge.
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Michael是非常前衛的。
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("Michael Crichton responds by fax:")
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「Michael Crichton用傳真回覆:」
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("Wow! Fucking Fantastic Jacket")
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「哇賽!真他媽的好的封面。」
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑聲)(掌聲)
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That was a relief to see that pour out of the machine.
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看到這張傳真從機器跑出來時真令人鬆了一口氣。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:05
I miss Michael.
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我想念Michael。
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And sure enough, somebody from MCA Universal
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想當然,環球影業
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calls our legal department to see if they can
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打電話給我們的法律部門,
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maybe look into buying the rights to the image,
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詢問他們是否能購買此圖像的版權,
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just in case they might want to use it.
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以供他們之後使用。
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Well, they used it.
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嗯,他們的確用了。
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑聲)(掌聲)
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And I was thrilled.
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我當時真的非常興奮。
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We all know it was an amazing movie,
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我們都知道這是一部驚人的電影,
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and it was so interesting to see it
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能看到它步入文化中,成為一個現象,
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go out into the culture and become this phenomenon
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而且看到它轉換變成各種不同的形體,
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and to see all the different permutations of it.
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真的非常有趣。
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But not too long ago,
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但不久之前,
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I came upon this on the Web.
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我在網路上到看這個。
07:47
No, that is not me.
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不,這不是我。
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But whoever it is,
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但無論這是誰,
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I can't help but thinking they woke up one day like,
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我忍不住想像有一天他們醒來時發現,
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"Oh my God, that wasn't there last night. Ooooohh!
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「我的天阿,昨天晚上還沒有這東西阿。噢!
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I was so wasted."
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我醉得一蹋糊塗。」
08:02
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:05
But if you think about it, from my head
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但如果你想想,從我的腦袋
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to my hands to his leg.
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到我的手,再到他的腳。
08:11
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:16
That's a responsibility.
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這是有責任的。
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And it's a responsibility that I don't take lightly.
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而且我不輕看這個責任。
08:22
The book designer's responsibility is threefold:
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書本封面設計者的責任是三重的:
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to the reader, to the publisher and, most of all, to the author.
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對讀者,對出版社,還有最重要的,對作者。
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I want you to look at the author's book
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我要你看到一個作者的書,
08:32
and say, "Wow! I need to read that."
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然後說:「哇!我一定要讀這個。」
08:35
David Sedaris is one of my favorite writers,
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David Sedaris是我最喜歡的作者之一,
08:38
and the title essay
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而這本散文集的主要隨筆
08:41
in this collection is about his trip to a nudist colony.
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是有關他去一個裸體主義的聚居地旅行。
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And the reason he went is because
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他去的原因是因為
08:46
he had a fear of his body image,
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他害怕他自己的身體影像,
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and he wanted to explore what was underlying that.
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而他想要探索隱藏其中的原因。
08:51
For me, it was simply an excuse to design a book
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對我而言,這只是一個可以名正言順
08:54
that you could literally take the pants off of.
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設計脫下內褲的封面的理由。
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But when you do,
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但當你這麼做時,
09:00
you don't get what you expect.
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你達到的不同於預期。
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You get something that goes much deeper than that.
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你挖掘到更深層的東西。
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And David especially loved this design
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David常常要簽書,
09:08
because at book signings, which he does a lot of,
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他特別喜歡這個設計,因為當他簽書時,
09:11
he could take a magic marker and do this.
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他可以用魔術筆畫這個。
09:14
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:20
Hello!
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哈囉!
09:23
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:26
Augusten Burroughs wrote a memoir
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Augusten Burroughs寫了一本回憶錄,
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called ["Dry"], and it's about his time in rehab.
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書名為「乾」("DRY"),有關他戒酒的日子。
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In his 20s, he was a hotshot ad executive,
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當他二十幾歲時,他是個很有能力的廣告公司經理,
09:37
and as Mad Men has told us, a raging alcoholic.
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就如同影集廣告狂人(Mad Men)中告訴我們的,他是一個憤怒的酗酒狂。
09:40
He did not think so, however,
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然而,他自己不這麼認為,
09:43
but his coworkers did an intervention and they said,
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但他的同事開了一個協調會,他們說,
09:46
"You are going to rehab, or you will be fired and you will die."
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「你要不就戒酒,不然你會被開除而且你會死。」
09:50
Now to me, this was always going to be a typographic solution,
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到了我手上時,我用文字編排來設計這個封面,
09:54
what I would call the opposite of Type 101.
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我稱這個為文字編排學第一門課的相反。
09:56
What does that mean?
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這是什麼意思?
09:58
Usually on the first day of Introduction to Typography,
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通常上第一堂文字編排學的課時,
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you get the assignment of, select a word
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你有一個作業,選一個字,
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and make it look like what it says it is. So that's Type 101, right?
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讓它看起來像它要表達的意思。所以這是文字編排學的第一堂課,對吧?
10:06
Very simple stuff.
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非常簡單的東西。
10:08
This is going to be the opposite of that.
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而這就是它的相反。
10:11
I want this book to look like it's lying to you,
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我要這本書看起來像是在對你撒謊,
10:14
desperately and hopelessly, the way an alcoholic would.
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歇斯底里且絕望地,像個酒精中毒者會做的事。
10:18
The answer was the most low-tech thing you can imagine.
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於是我用了你可以想像到最低階的設計方法。
10:21
I set up the type, I printed it out on an Epson printer
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我設定好字體,用愛普生印表機
10:25
with water-soluble ink, taped it to the wall
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的水溶性墨水將它印出來,把它貼在牆上,
10:28
and threw a bucket of water at it. Presto!
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然後取一桶水往上灑。立即成效!
10:31
Then when we went to press,
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接著我們進行印刷,
10:33
the printer put a spot gloss on the ink
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印刷業者在油墨部分局部上光,
10:35
and it really looked like it was running.
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所以看起來真的很像在流動。
10:37
Not long after it came out, Augusten was waylaid in an airport
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在這本書上市後不久,Augusten埋伏在機場裡,
10:40
and he was hiding out in the bookstore
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他躲在書店中
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spying on who was buying his books.
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暗中監看買他書的人。
10:44
And this woman came up to it,
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一位女士走到書前,
10:47
and she squinted, and she took it to the register,
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瞇著眼看著書,然後把它拿到結帳台,
10:49
and she said to the man behind the counter, "This one's ruined."
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她告訴站在櫃台後的男士:「這本書毀了。」
10:52
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:56
And the guy behind the counter said, "I know, lady. They all came in that way."
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然後在櫃台後的那傢伙說:「我知道,女士。全部的書送來時都這樣。」
11:01
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:06
Now, that's a good printing job.
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這印刷做的可真是好阿。
11:09
A book cover
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一個書本封面
11:12
is a distillation.
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是精華。
11:15
It is a haiku,
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如果你認同的話,
11:18
if you will, of the story.
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它就是故事的三行俳句詩。
11:21
This particular story
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Osama Tezuka
11:24
by Osama Tezuka
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寫的這個故事
11:27
is his epic life of the Buddha,
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是佛陀的傳奇一生。
11:30
and it's eight volumes in all. But the best thing is
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總共有八冊。但最棒的事是
11:33
when it's on your shelf, you get a shelf life
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當你把它放到書櫃,佛陀的生命展現在書架上,
11:37
of the Buddha, moving from one age to the next.
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從一個年紀轉變到下一個年紀。
11:44
All of these solutions
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全部這些封面設計想法
11:47
derive their origins from the text of the book,
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都源自書的內容,
11:51
but once the book designer has read the text,
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但是一旦封面設計者讀過內文,
11:54
then he has to be an interpreter
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他必須身兼解說者
11:57
and a translator.
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和翻譯者。
12:00
This story was a real puzzle.
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這個故事是個真正的謎題。
12:03
This is what it's about.
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故事的內容是:
12:06
("Intrigue and murder among 16th century Ottoman court painters.")
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「16世紀土耳其宮廷畫家間的陰謀和謀殺。」
12:09
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
12:12
All right, so I got a collection of the paintings together
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於是我找了這些畫作的合輯,
12:16
and I looked at them and I deconstructed them
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我看著它們,解構它們,
12:18
and I put them back together.
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再把它們集合在一起。
12:20
And so, here's the design, right?
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所以,這就是設計,對吧?
12:22
And so here's the front and the spine, and it's flat.
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這是封面和書脊攤平的樣子。
12:25
But the real story starts when you wrap it around a book and put it on the shelf.
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但當你把它包到書上放到書櫃時,真正的故事才開始。
12:28
Ahh! We come upon them,
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噢!遇到他們了,
12:32
the clandestine lovers. Let's draw them out.
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暗通款曲的戀人們。把他們抓出來。
12:35
Huhh! They've been discovered by the sultan.
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喝!他們被蘇丹王發現了。
12:40
He will not be pleased.
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他可不會開心。
12:43
Huhh! And now the sultan is in danger.
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喝!現在蘇丹王很生氣。
12:46
And now, we have to open it up
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現在,我們必須把書本打開,
12:49
to find out what's going to happen next.
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才能知道接下來發生的事情。
12:52
Try experiencing that on a Kindle.
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試著用Kindle(亞馬遜書店電子閱讀器)體驗看看。
12:55
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:02
Don't get me started.
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別讓我打開話匣子。
13:05
Seriously.
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嚴格說來。
13:08
Much is to be gained by eBooks:
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電子書有很多好處:
13:12
ease, convenience, portability.
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簡單,方便,好攜帶。
13:15
But something is definitely lost: tradition,
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但當中有些東西絕對被遺失了:傳統,
13:18
a sensual experience, the comfort of thingy-ness --
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感官體驗,物質存在的安心感 --
13:23
a little bit of humanity.
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一點點的人性。
13:26
Do you know what John Updike used to do
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你知道當由克諾普夫出版社發行John Updike的新書時,
13:29
the first thing when he would get a copy
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作者拿到書的時候,
13:31
of one of his new books from Alfred A. Knopf?
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首先會做的事是什麼嗎?
13:33
He'd smell it.
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他會聞它。
13:36
Then he'd run his hand over the rag paper,
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然後他用手滑過紙張,
13:40
and the pungent ink and the deckled edges of the pages.
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碰觸刺激的油墨,和書頁帶有毛邊的邊緣。
13:43
All those years, all those books, he never got tired of it.
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這麼多年,這麼多書,他從不厭倦。
13:48
Now, I am all for the iPad,
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我支持iPad,
13:52
but trust me -- smelling it will get you nowhere.
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但相信我 -- 再怎麼聞它,你也聞不出東西來。
13:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:59
Now the Apple guys are texting,
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現在蘋果電腦的員工正在打簡訊,
14:02
"Develop odor emission plug-in."
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「研發內建氣味發射器。」
14:05
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
14:10
And the last story I'm going to talk about is quite a story.
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接著我要說的最後一個故事可不簡單。
14:13
A woman
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在日本,
14:16
named Aomame in 1984 Japan finds herself
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1984年時,一個名叫Anomame的女人
14:19
negotiating down a spiral staircase
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正要穿過一個下高架公路的
14:22
off an elevated highway. When she gets to the bottom,
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螺旋狀樓梯。當她走到底部時,
14:25
she can't help but feel that, all of a sudden,
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她不由得感覺到,突然間,
14:27
she's entered a new reality
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她進入一個新的現實環境中,
14:29
that's just slightly different from the one that she left,
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這跟她剛離開那個只有一點點不一樣,
14:32
but very similar, but different.
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但是非常類似,卻又不同。
14:34
And so, we're talking about parallel planes of existence,
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於是,我們講到存在的平行平面,
14:37
sort of like a book jacket and the book that it covers.
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有點像是書套和它覆蓋的書。
14:41
So how do we show this?
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所以要怎麼展現這個?
14:44
We go back to Hepburn and Dietrich, but now we merge them.
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我們回歸到Hepburn和Dietrich封面設計想法,但現在我們將它們合併。
14:48
So we're talking about different planes, different pieces of paper.
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我們現在在說的是不同的平面,不同的紙張。
14:52
So this is on a semi-transparent piece of velum.
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外面是一張半透明牛皮紙。
14:55
It's one part of the form and content.
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這是形體和內容的一部分。
14:58
When it's on top of the paper board,
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把它覆蓋到印刷相反的書本紙板外面時,
15:01
which is the opposite, it forms this.
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它變成這個樣子。
15:04
So even if you don't know anything about this book,
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因此即使你對這本書一無所知,
15:08
you are forced to consider a single person
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你被迫會認為
15:11
straddling two planes of existence.
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一個人兩腳分別踏在兩個存在的平面裡。
15:14
And the object itself invited exploration
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而這個設計本身就是要引起探索,
15:19
interaction, consideration
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互動,關心
15:24
and touch.
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和觸碰。
15:27
This debuted at number two
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這本書一上市就登上
15:29
on the New York Times Best Seller list.
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紐約時報暢銷書排行榜第二名。
15:31
This is unheard of,
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這對身為出版社的我們和這位作者而言,
15:33
both for us the publisher, and the author.
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都是第一次的體驗。
15:35
We're talking a 900-page book
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我們在說的事一本900頁的書,
15:37
that is as weird as it is compelling,
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內容既奇特又令人信服,
15:39
and featuring a climactic scene
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還包含了一個高潮情節,
15:41
in which a horde of tiny people
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有一群小人
15:43
emerge from the mouth of a sleeping girl
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從一個睡著的女孩口中冒出來,
15:45
and cause a German Shepherd to explode.
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還造成一隻德國牧羊犬爆炸。
15:47
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
15:55
Not exactly Jackie Collins.
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這和Jackie Collins(英國暢銷女作家)的類型不太一樣。
15:58
Fourteen weeks on the Best Seller list,
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這本書在暢銷榜上停留14週,
16:01
eight printings, and still going strong.
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已經印刷八次,銷售量依然強勁。
16:04
So even though we love publishing as an art,
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即使我們將出版業當作藝術般喜愛,
16:07
we very much know it's a business too,
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我們也十分了解這是樁生意。
16:10
and that if we do our jobs right and get a little lucky,
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如果我們做好工作,幸運的話,
16:13
that great art can be great business.
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好的藝術也可以成為很棒的生意。
16:16
So that's my story. To be continued.
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所以這就是我的故事,未完待續。
16:19
What does it look like?
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它看起來像什麼?
16:22
Yes. It can, it does and it will,
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是的,它可以是,它的確是,它將會是。
16:27
but for this book designer,
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但對這本書的封面設計者,
16:30
page-turner,
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這是引人入勝的,
16:33
dog-eared place-holder,
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會折頁做記號的,
16:36
notes in the margins-taker,
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可以做很多筆記的,
16:39
ink-sniffer,
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可以聞油墨的,
16:42
the story looks like this.
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這故事長的就像這樣。
16:46
Thank you.
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謝謝。
16:49
(Applause)
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