Misha Glenny: Hire the hackers!

Prevodilac: Predrag Djordjevic Lektor: Mateja Nenadovic

Now this is a very un-TED-like thing to do,

Ovo nije stvar koja nalikuje TED-u

but let's kick off the afternoon

ali hajde da započnemo

with a message

ovo popodne

from a mystery sponsor.

porukom misterioznog sponzora.

Anonymous: Dear Fox News,

Anonimus: Drage Foks vesti

it has come to our unfortunate attention

na naše razočarenje, došli smo do saznanja

that both the name and nature of Anonymous

da su ime i priroda Anonimusa

has been ravaged.

i priroda Anonimusa izvrgnuti ruglu.

We are everyone. We are no one.

Mi smo svako i mi smo niko.

We are anonymous. We are legion.

Mi smo anonimni. Mi smo legija.

We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Mi ne opraštamo. Mi ne zaboravljamo.

We are but the base of chaos.

Mi smo temelj haosa.

Misha Glenny: Anonymous, ladies and gentlemen --

Miša Gleni: Anonimus, dame i gospodo,

a sophisticated group

je sofisticirana grupa

of politically motivated hackers

politički motivisanih hakera

who have emerged in 2011.

koja se uzdigla 2011.

And they're pretty scary.

Prilično su strašni.

You never know when they're going to attack next,

Nikada ne znate kada ili koga će sledeći put da napadnu,

who or what the consequences will be.

i kakve će posledice biti.

But interestingly,

Međutim, ono što je zanimljivo,

they have a sense of humor.

jeste da imaju smisla za humor.

These guys hacked into Fox News' Twitter account

Ovi momci su hakovali Tviter profil Foks vesti

to announce President Obama's assassination.

da najave atentat na predsednika Obamu.

Now you can imagine the panic that would have generated

Možete da zamislite kakvu je to paniku

in the newsroom at Fox.

izazvalo u redakciji Foksa.

"What do we do now?

"Šta ćemo sada da radimo?

Put on a black armband, or crack open the champagne?"

Hoćemo li obući crninu ili otvoriti šampanjac?"

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And of course, who could escape the irony

Naravno, kome može da promakne ironija da je, za promenu,

of a member of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

član Njuz korporacije Ruperta Murdoka

being a victim of hacking for a change.

bio žrtva hakerskog napada.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Sometimes you turn on the news

Ponekad, kada pogledate vesti, prosto se zapitate:

and you say, "Is there anyone left to hack?"

"Da li je ostao još neko ko bi mogao biti hakovan?"

Sony Playstation Network -- done,

Soni plejstejšn mreža -- urađeno,

the government of Turkey -- tick,

vlada Turske -- štiklirano,

Britain's Serious Organized Crime Agency -- a breeze,

Britanska agencija za borbu protiv organizovanog kriminala - prosto kao pasulj

the CIA -- falling off a log.

CIA -- ništa lakše.

In fact, a friend of mine from the security industry

U stvari, moj prijatelj iz bezbednosne industrije

told me the other day

rekao mi je pre neki dan

that there are two types of companies in the world:

da na svetu postoje dve vrste kompanija:

those that know they've been hacked, and those that don't.

one koje znaju da su hakovane i one koje to ne znaju.

I mean three companies

Ja mislim da su tri kompanije

providing cybersecurity services to the FBI

koje FBI-u pružaju usluge sajber sigurnosti

have been hacked.

bile hakovane.

Is nothing sacred anymore, for heaven's sake?

Zar više ništa nije sveto, zaboga?

Anyway, this mysterious group Anonymous --

Uglavnom, ova misteriozna grupa Anonimus --

and they would say this themselves --

a ovo bi oni i sami za sebe rekli --

they are providing a service

čine nam uslugu

by demonstrating how useless companies are

time što nam pokazuje koliko kompanije nisu vične

at protecting our data.

zaštiti naših podataka.

But there is also a very serious aspect to Anonymous --

Postoji i veoma bitan aspekt Anonimusa --

they are ideologically driven.

njih pokreće ideologija.

They claim that they are battling

Oni tvrde da se bore protiv

a dastardly conspiracy.

zle i okrutne zavere.

They say that governments are trying

Po njihovom mišljenju, vlade se trude

to take over the Internet and control it,

da preuzmu internet i kontrolišu ga

and that they, Anonymous,

a oni, Anonimus,

are the authentic voice of resistance --

su jedinstveni glas otpora,

be it against Middle Eastern dictatorships,

bilo protiv diktatora na Srednjem Istoku,

against global media corporations,

protiv globalnih medijskih kuća,

or against intelligence agencies,

obaveštajnih agencija,

or whoever it is.

ili bilo koga drugog.

And their politics are not entirely unattractive.

Njihova politika nije potpuno neprivlačna.

Okay, they're a little inchoate.

Dobro, oni jesu pomalo nejasni.

There's a strong whiff

Vezan za njih, postoji

of half-baked anarchism about them.

jak trag polu-anarhizma.

But one thing is true:

Međutim, postoji jedna istina:

we are at the beginning

to je da smo mi na početku

of a mighty struggle

velike bitke

for control of the Internet.

za prevlast na internetu.

The Web links everything,

Mreža povezuje sve

and very soon

i uskoro će

it will mediate most human activity.

posredovati većini ljudskih aktivnosti,

Because the Internet has fashioned

zato što je internet oblikovao

a new and complicated environment

novo i komplikovano okruženje

for an old-age dilemma

za jednu staru dilemu,

that pits the demands of security

koje zahteve za sigurnošću

with the desire for freedom.

suprotstavlja želji za slobodom.

Now this is a very complicated struggle.

Ovo je veoma komplikovana borba.

And unfortunately, for mortals like you and me,

Nažalost, smrtnici kao što smo vi i ja,

we probably can't understand it very well.

verovatno ne mogu dobro da je razumeju.

Nonetheless,

Pa ipak,

in an unexpected attack of hubris

u jednom neočekivanom napadu oholosti,

a couple of years ago,

pre nekoliko godina,

I decided I would try and do that.

odlučio sam da probam baš to.

And I sort of get it.

I donekle sam ukapirao.

These were the various things that I was looking at

Ovo su razne stvari kojima sam posvetio pažnju

as I was trying to understand it.

dok sam pokušavao da razumem tu bitku.

But in order to try and explain the whole thing,

Ali, da bih vam objasnio celu tu priču,

I would need another 18 minutes or so to do it,

bilo bi mi neophodno još nekih 18 minuta,

so you're just going to have to take it on trust from me on this occasion,

tako da ćete morati da mi verujete ovom prilikom,

and let me assure you that all of these issues

kada vam kažem da su svi ovi problemi

are involved in cybersecurity and control of the Internet

umešani u sajber bezbednost i kontrolu interneta,

one way or the other,

na jedan ili drugi način,

but in a configuration

a u takvoj konfiguraciji

that even Stephen Hawking would probably have difficulty

koju bi čak i Stiven Hoking,

trying to get his head around.

razumeo sa velikim poteškoćama.

So there you are.

Evo nas.

And as you see, in the middle,

Kao što možete da vidite,

there is our old friend, the hacker.

tu je naš stari prijatelj, haker.

The hacker is absolutely central

Haker je apsolutni centar

to many of the political, social

većine političkih, socijalnih i

and economic issues affecting the Net.

ekonomskih problema koji pogađaju Mrežu.

And so I thought to myself,

I tako sam jednom prilikom pomislio:

"Well, these are the guys who I want to talk to."

"Ovo su momci sa kojima želim da razgovaram".

And what do you know,

Znate šta,

nobody else does talk to the hackers.

niko drugi ne priča sa hakerima.

They're completely anonymous, as it were.

Oni su potpuno anonimni.

So despite the fact

Uprkos činjenici

that we are beginning to pour billions,

da ulažemo milijarde,

hundreds of billions of dollars,

stotine milijardi dolara

into cybersecurity --

u sajber bezbednost --

for the most extraordinary technical solutions --

za najneverovatnija tehnička rešenja --

no one wants to talk

niko ne želi da priča

to these guys, the hackers,

sa ovim momcima, hakerima,

who are doing everything.

od kojih svi problemi potiču.

Instead, we prefer these really dazzling technological solutions,

Umesto toga, preferiramo zbunjujuća tehnološka rešenja,

which cost a huge amount of money.

koja nas koštaju ogromne svote novca.

And so nothing is going into the hackers.

Tako da se ništa ne ulaže u hakere.

Well, I say nothing,

Iako sam rekao ništa,

but actually there is one teeny weeny little research unit

zapravo postoji jedna jako mala istraživačka jedinica

in Turin, Italy

u Torinu, u Italiji

called the Hackers Profiling Project.

nazvana "Projekat profilisanja hakera".

And they are doing some fantastic research

Oni vrše fantastično istraživanje

into the characteristics,

o osobinama,

into the abilities

mogućnostima

and the socialization of hackers.

i socijalizaciji hakera.

But because they're a U.N. operation,

Oni posluju pod pokroviteljstvom Ujedinjenih Nacija

maybe that's why governments and corporations

i možda je to razlog zašto vlade i korporacije

are not that interested in them.

nisu zainteresovane za njih.

Because it's a U.N. operation,

Zbog toga što su deo Ujedinjenih Nacija,

of course, it lacks funding.

nedostaju im investicije.

But I think they're doing very important work.

Ali, po mom mišljenju, oni se bave veoma bitnim poslom,

Because where we have a surplus of technology

zato što tamo gde imamo višak tehnologije

in the cybersecurity industry,

u industriji sajber sigurnosti,

we have a definite lack of --

ono što nam nedostaje --

call me old-fashioned --

slobodno me nazovite staromodnim--

human intelligence.

je ljudska inteligencija.

Now, so far I've mentioned

Do sada sam pomenuo

the hackers Anonymous

samo hakere Anonimusa

who are a politically motivated hacking group.

koji su politički motivisana grupa hakera.

Of course, the criminal justice system

Naravno, naš pravosudni sistem

treats them as common old garden criminals.

njih tretira kao obične kriminalce.

But interestingly,

Međutim, interesantno je da

Anonymous does not make use of its hacked information

Anonimus ne koristi hakovane informacije

for financial gain.

za finansijsku dobit.

But what about the real cybercriminals?

Šta su zapravo sajber kriminalci?

Well real organized crime on the Internet

Pravi organizovani kriminal na internetu

goes back about 10 years

može se pratiti 10 godina u prošlost,

when a group of gifted Ukrainian hackers

kada je grupa nadarenih hakera iz Ukrajine

developed a website,

razvila veb sajt

which led to the industrialization

koji nas je odveo u industrijalizaciju

of cybercrime.

sajber kriminala.

Welcome to the now forgotten realm of CarderPlanet.

Dobrodošli u sada zaboravljeno carstvo Karder Planeta.

This is how they were advertising themselves

Ovako su se oni reklamirali na internetu

a decade ago on the Net.

pre jedne decenije.

Now CarderPlanet was very interesting.

Karder Planeta je bila veoma zanimljiva.

Cybercriminals would go there

Sajber kriminalci su odlazili tamo

to buy and sell stolen credit card details,

da bi prodali i kupili informacije o ukradenim kreditnim karticama

to exchange information

i razmenili informacije

about new malware that was out there.

o novom, zlonamernom softveru.

And remember, this is a time

Zapamtite, tada smo se po prvi put

when we're seeing for the first time

sreli sa gotovim,

so-called off-the-shelf malware.

zlonamernim softverom.

This is ready for use, out-of-the-box stuff,

Ovaj softver je spreman za upotrebu čim ga kupite

which you can deploy

i možete ga koristiti

even if you're not a terribly sophisticated hacker.

čak iako niste jako sofisticirani haker.

And so CarderPlanet became a sort of supermarket

I tako je KarderPlaneta postala neka vrsta supermarketa

for cybercriminals.

za sajber kriminalce.

And its creators

Njegovi kreatori

were incredibly smart and entrepreneurial,

su bili neverovatno pametni i preduzimljivi

because they were faced

zato što su se suočavali

with one enormous challenge as cybercriminals.

sa neverovatnim izazovom, tj. sajber kriminalciima.

And that challenge is:

Izazov leži u sledećem:

How do you do business,

Kako voditi posao

how do you trust

i kako verovati nekome

somebody on the Web who you want to do business with

sa kime želite da poslujete preko interneta

when you know that they're a criminal?

kada znate da su oni kriminalci?

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

It's axiomatic that they're dodgy,

Očigledno je da su nepošteni

and they're going to want to try and rip you off.

i da će želeti da vas prevare.

So the family, as the inner core of CarderPlanet was known,

Tako je "porodica", najuži krug KarderPlanete,

came up with this brilliant idea

došla na neverovatnu ideju

called the escrow system.

koju su nazvali "Eskrou" sistem.

They appointed an officer

Postavili su jednog službenika

who would mediate between the vendor and the purchaser.

koji je posredovao između prodavca i kupca.

The vendor, say, had stolen credit card details;

Recimo da prodavac ima ukradene detalje o kreditnoj kartici;

the purchaser wanted to get a hold of them.

kupac želi da ih se domogne.

The purchaser would send the administrative officer

Kupac bi službeniku poslao

some dollars digitally,

nešto novca elektronskim putem,

and the vendor would sell the stolen credit card details.

a prodavac bi mu prodao detalje o ukradenoj kartici.

And the officer would then verify

Službenik bi onda proverio

if the stolen credit card worked.

da li ukradena kartica radi.

And if they did,

Ako kartica radi,

he then passed on the money to the vendor

novac bi poslao prodavcu,

and the stolen credit card details to the purchaser.

a detalje o kartici kupcu.

And it was this

Upravo je ovo izazvalo kompletnu revoluciju

which completely revolutionized cybercrime on the Web.

sajber kriminala na Mreži.

And after that, it just went wild.

Nakon toga, to je postalo nezaustavljivo.

We had a champagne decade

Nastupila je decenija slavlja

for people who we know as Carders.

za ljude koje danas znamo kao Kardere.

Now I spoke to one of these Carders

Ja sam razgovarao sa jednim od njih,

who we'll call RedBrigade --

nazovimo ga CrvenaBrigada,

although that wasn't even his proper nickname --

iako to nije bio njegov pravi nadimak,

but I promised I wouldn't reveal who he was.

ali sam mu obećao da neću otkriti ko je on.

And he explained to me how in 2003 and 2004

Objasnio mi je kako je 2003. i 2004.

he would go on sprees in New York,

u Njujorku često obilazio bankomate,

taking out $10,000 from an ATM here,

uzimajući 10 hiljada dolara sa jednog bankomata,

$30,000 from an ATM there,

30 hiljada dolara sa drugog,

using cloned credit cards.

a sve to koristeći falsifikovane platne kartice.

He was making, on average a week,

U proseku je nedeljno zarađivao

$150,000 --

150 hiljada dolara.

tax free of course.

Naravno, sve je bilo oslobođeno poreza.

And he said

Rekao mi je da je u jednom trenutku

that he had so much money

imao toliko novca u svom stanu

stashed in his upper-East side apartment at one point

u bogataškom kraju Njujorka

that he just didn't know what to do with it

da nije znao šta da radi sa njim

and actually fell into a depression.

i zato je pao u depresiju.

But that's a slightly different story,

Međutim, to je malo drugačija priča,

which I won't go into now.

u koju sada neću da zalazim.

Now the interesting thing about RedBrigade

Ono što je interesantno kod CrveneBrigade

is that he wasn't an advanced hacker.

jeste da on nije bio napredni haker.

He sort of understood the technology,

Donekle je razumeo tehnologiju

and he realized that security was very important

i shvatio je da je bezbednost veoma bitna

if you were going to be a Carder,

ako želite da budete Karder,

but he didn't spend his days and nights

ali nije provodio dane i noći

bent over a computer, eating pizza,

ispred kompjutera, jedući picu,

drinking coke and that sort of thing.

pijući kolu i slično.

He was out there on the town

Ne, on se u stvari provodio u gradu

having a fab time enjoying the high life.

uživajući u životu na visokoj nozi.

And this is because

Ovo je zato što su hakeri

hackers are only one element

samo jedan od elemenata

in a cybercriminal enterprise.

sajber kriminala.

And often they're the most vulnerable element of all.

Najčešće su i najranjiviji deo od svih.

And I want to explain this to you

Želim da vam objasnim ovo

by introducing you to six characters

time što ću vas upoznati sa 6 osoba

who I met

koje sam upoznao

while I was doing this research.

dok sam radio na ovom istraživanju.

Dimitry Golubov, aka SCRIPT --

Dimitrij Golubov, poznatiji kao SKRIPTA--

born in Odessa, Ukraine in 1982.

rođen je u Odesi, u Ukrajini 1982.

Now he developed his social and moral compass

Razvio je svoje socijalne i moralne norme

on the Black Sea port during the 1990s.

u ovoj luci na obali Crnog mora 1990tih.

This was a sink-or-swim environment

Ovo je bilo jedno okrutno okruženje

where involvement in criminal or corrupt activities

gde ste morali biti umešani

was entirely necessary

u korupciju i kriminalne aktivnosti

if you wanted to survive.

ako ste želeli da preživite.

As an accomplished computer user,

Ono što je Dimitrij uradio,

what Dimitry did

kao ostvareni kompjuteraš,

was to transfer the gangster capitalism of his hometown

jeste da je premestio gangsterski kapitalizam

onto the Worldwide Web.

svog rodnog grada na Mrežu.

And he did a great job in it.

To je zaista dobro uradio.

You have to understand though

Treba da razumemo

that from his ninth birthday,

da je gangsterizam

the only environment he knew

jedino okruženje za koje je on znao

was gangsterism.

od svog devetog rođendana.

He knew no other way of making a living

Nije poznavao nijedan drugi način preživljavanja

and making money.

ili zarađivanja novca.

Then we have Renukanth Subramaniam,

Dalje imamo Renakanta Sabramaniama,

aka JiLsi --

bolje poznatog kao DžiLzi--

founder of DarkMarket,

on je tvorac CrnogTržišta,

born in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

rođen u Kolombu, na Šri Lanki.

As an eight year-old,

Kao osmogodišnjak

he and his parents fled the Sri Lankan capital

sa roditeljima je pobegao iz glavnog grada Šri Lanke

because Singhalese mobs were roaming the city,

zato što su rulje Singaleza preplavile grad

looking for Tamils like Renu to murder.

u potrazi za Tamilima, kojima je Rena pripadao, da bi ih ubili.

At 11, he was interrogated by the Sri Lankan military,

Sa 11 godina je bio ispitivan od strane policije Šri Lanke

accused of being a terrorist,

i optužen da je terorista.

and his parents sent him on his own to Britain

Njegovi roditelji su ga poslali u Britaniju

as a refugee seeking political asylum.

da kao politički izbeglica zatraži azil.

At 13,

Sa trinaest godina znao je veoma malo engleskog

with only little English and being bullied at school,

i bio je zlostavljan u školi,

he escaped into a world of computers

tako da je pobegao u svet kompjutera,

where he showed great technical ability,

gde je pokazao ogromne tehničke sposobnosti,

but he was soon being seduced

ali je uskoro bio zaveden

by people on the Internet.

od strane ljudi na Internetu.

He was convicted of mortgage and credit card fraud,

Osuđen je za falsifikovanje kreditnih kartica i hipoteka

and he will be released from Wormwood Scrubs jail in London

i biće oslobođen iz Vormvud zatvora u Londonu

in 2012.

2012. godine.

Matrix001,

Matriks001

who was an administrator at DarkMarket.

je bio jedan od administratora CrnogTržišta.

Born in Southern Germany

Rođen je u južnoj Nemačkoj

to a stable and well-respected middle class family,

u dobrostojećoj i uglednoj porodici iz srednje klase.

his obsession with gaming as a teenager

Kao tinejdžer, bio je opsednut igranjem igara

led him to hacking.

što ga je na kraju dovelo do hakovanja.

And he was soon controlling huge servers around the world

Nedugo potom, kontrolisao je ogromne servere širom sveta,

where he stored his games

na kojima je čuvao piratizovane verzije igara

that he had cracked and pirated.

koje je sam krekovao.

His slide into criminality

Njegov ulazak u kriminal

was incremental.

bio je postepen.

And when he finally woke up to his situation

Kada je konačno shvatio u kakvoj se situaciji nalazi

and understood the implications,

i kada je razumeo implikacije

he was already in too deep.

već je bio preduboko zagazio u svet kriminala.

Max Vision, aka ICEMAN --

Maks Vižn, poznatiji kao AJSMEN,

mastermind of CardersMarket.

bio je tvorac KardersTržišta,

Born in Meridian, Idaho.

rođen u Meridijanu, u državi Ajdaho.

Max Vision was one of the best penetration testers

Maks Vižn je bio jedan od najboljih istraživača

working out of Santa Clara, California

mogućih tačaka upada. Radio je u Santa Klari, u Kaliforniji

in the late 90s for private companies

tokom 90tih, za privatne kompanije

and voluntarily for the FBI.

i kao volonter, za FBI.

Now in the late 1990s,

Tokom kasnih 1990.

he discovered a vulnerability

otkrio je slabe tačke

on all U.S. government networks,

u svim mrežama vlade Sjedinjenih Država

and he went in and patched it up --

i zakrpio ih je-- zbog toga što su one obuhvatale

because this included nuclear research facilities --

i postrojenja za nuklearna istraživanja--

sparing the American government

time čuvajući američku vladu

a huge security embarrassment.

od velike sramote vezane za bezbednost.

But also, because he was an inveterate hacker,

Isto tako, zato što je bio okoreli hakeraš,

he left a tiny digital wormhole

ostavio je mali digitalni prolaz

through which he alone could crawl.

kroz koji je samo on znao da se provuče.

But this was spotted by an eagle-eye investigator,

Međutim, ovo je primetio jedan oštrooki istraživač,

and he was convicted.

a on je osuđen.

At his open prison,

U njegovom zatvoru sa minimalnim obezbeđenjem

he came under the influence of financial fraudsters,

dospeo je pod uticaj ljudi koji su se bavili finansijskim prevarama

and those financial fraudsters

i upravo su ga ti ljudi

persuaded him to work for them

ubedili da radi za njih

on his release.

nakon njegovog puštanja iz zatvora.

And this man with a planetary-sized brain

Sada je ovaj neverovatno inteligentan čovek

is now serving a 13-year sentence

na trinaestogodišnjem izdržavanju kazne

in California.

u Kaliforniji.

Adewale Taiwo, aka FreddyBB --

Edivalej Taivo, poznatiji kao FediBiBi

master bank account cracker

iz Abudže u Nigeriji,

from Abuja in Nigeria.

provaljivao je u bankovne račune.

He set up his prosaically entitled newsgroup,

Postavio je grupu za razmenu vesti sa veoma dosadnim nazivom

[email protected]

[email protected] ([email protected])

before arriving in Britain

pre dolaska u Britaniju

in 2005

u 2005.

to take a Masters in chemical engineering

gde je dobio Master diplomu hemijskog inženjeringa

at Manchester University.

na Univerzitu u Mančesteru.

He impressed in the private sector,

Ostavio je jak trag u privatnom sektoru

developing chemical applications for the oil industry

gde je razvijao hemijske premaze za naftnu industriju

while simultaneously running

dok je istovremeno, širom sveta, radio na bankarskim prevarama

a worldwide bank and credit card fraud operation that was worth millions

i prevarama sa kreditnim karticama koje su mu donele milione

until his arrest in 2008.

dok nije uhapšen 2008.

And then finally, Cagatay Evyapan,

I konačno, Kagatej Eviapan,

aka Cha0 --

poznatiji kao Ča0 --

one of the most remarkable hackers ever,

jedan od najizvanrednijih hakera ikada

from Ankara in Turkey.

iz Ankare u Turskoj.

He combined the tremendous skills of a geek

On je kombinovao neverovatne veštine štrebera

with the suave social engineering skills

sa umilnim socijalnim veštinama

of the master criminal.

velikog kriminalca.

One of the smartest people I've ever met.

On je jedan od najpametnijih ljudi koje sam ikada upoznao.

He also had the most effective

Takodje je posedovao najefektivniju

virtual private network security arrangement

zaštitu virtuelne privatne mreže

the police have ever encountered

sa kojom se policija ikada susrela

amongst global cybercriminals.

među svetskim sajber-kriminalcima.

Now the important thing

Sada, ono što je važno

about all of these people

a što se tiče svih ovih ljudi

is they share certain characteristics

jeste da oni dele izvesne osobine,

despite the fact that they come from very different environments.

bez obzira na to da dolaze iz veoma različitih sredina.

They are all people who learned their hacking skills

Svi su oni naučili veštine hakovanja kao veoma mladi,

in their early to mid-teens.

najkasnije do 15. godine.

They are all people

Svi oni pokazuju

who demonstrate advanced ability

izuzetno napredne sposobnosti

in maths and the sciences.

za matematiku i druge nauke.

Remember that, when they developed those hacking skills,

Takođe upamtite da dok su razvijali ove veštine,

their moral compass had not yet developed.

još uvek nisu imali razvijeni moralni kompas.

And most of them, with the exception of SCRIPT and Cha0,

Isto tako, većina njih, sa izuzetkom SKRIPT-a i Ča0,

they did not demonstrate

nije pokazivala

any real social skills in the outside world --

nikakve društvene veštine u stvarnom svetu--

only on the Web.

samo na Mreži.

And the other thing is

Druga bitna stvar

the high incidence of hackers like these

je učestalost hakera koji imaju

who have characteristics which are consistent

osobine dosledne onima

with Asperger's syndrome.

koje se javljaju kod Aspergerovog sindroma.

Now I discussed this

Diskutovao sam o ovome

with Professor Simon Baron-Cohen

sa profesorom Sajmonom Baron-Kohenom,

who's the professor of developmental psychopathology at Cambridge.

profesorom razvojne psihopatologije na Kembridžu.

And he has done path-breaking work on autism

Sproveo je revolucionaran rad na polju istraživanja autizma

and confirmed, also for the authorities here,

i potvrdio, takođe i za ovdašnje vlasti,

that Gary McKinnon --

da Geri MekKinon--

who is wanted by the United States

za kojim je izdata poternica u Sjedinjenim Državama

for hacking into the Pentagon --

zbog hakovanja Pentagona--

suffers from Asperger's

boluje od Aspergerovog sindroma

and a secondary condition

i sekudarnog stanja

of depression.

depresije.

And Baron-Cohen explained

Baron-Kohen je takođe objasnio

that certain disabilities

da se neke nesposobnosti

can manifest themselves in the hacking and computing world

mogu pokazati kao neverovatne veštine

as tremendous skills,

u svetu hakovanja i kompjutera

and that we should not be throwing in jail

i da ne bi trebali da zatvaramo ljude

people who have such disabilities and skills

koji pate od takvih nesposobnosti i veština

because they have lost their way socially

samo zbog toga što su izgubili svoj put u društvu

or been duped.

ili zato što su bili prevareni.

Now I think we're missing a trick here,

Mislim da propuštamo jednu bitnu činjenicu,

because I don't think people like Max Vision should be in jail.

pošto ja ne mislim da ljudi kao Maks Vižn treba da budu u zatvoru.

And let me be blunt about this.

Dozvolite mi da budem otvoren.

In China, in Russia and in loads of other countries

U Kini, Rusiji i mnoštvu drugih zemalja u kojima se javlja

that are developing cyber-offensive capabilities,

ponašanje koje se opisuje kao sajber-opasno,

this is exactly what they are doing.

čini se upravo sledeća stvar.

They are recruiting hackers

Oni regrutuju hakere

both before and after they become involved

pre i nakon što oni postanu umešani

in criminal and industrial espionage activities --

u kriminal i industrijsku špijunažu--

are mobilizing them

i mobilišu ih

on behalf of the state.

zarad dobrobiti države.

We need to engage

Moramo da se uključimo

and find ways of offering guidance

i pronađemo načine da ovim mladim ljudima

to these young people,

ponudimo vodilju,

because they are a remarkable breed.

zato što oni čine jednu neverovatnu grupu ljudi.

And if we rely, as we do at the moment,

Ako nastavimo da se oslanjamo, kao i do sada

solely on the criminal justice system

samo na pravosudni sistem

and the threat of punitive sentences,

i pretnju kažnjavanjem,

we will be nurturing a monster we cannot tame.

odgajićemo čudovište koje nećemo moći da savladamo.

Thank you very much for listening.

Hvala vam puno što ste me saslušali.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Chris Anderson: So your idea worth spreading

Kris Anderson: Dakle, tvoja ideja vredna širenja

is hire hackers.

jeste da treba zaposliti hakere.

How would someone get over that kind of fear

Kako neko može da prevaziđe strah

that the hacker they hire

da hakeri koje je unajmio neće ostaviti

might preserve that little teensy wormhole?

takvu malenu rupu kroz koju mogu da se provuku?

MG: I think to an extent,

Miša Gleni: Mislim da donekle

you have to understand

treba da razumemo

that it's axiomatic among hackers that they do that.

da su to očigledne stvari koje hakeri rade.

They're just relentless and obsessive

Jako su uporni i opsednuti

about what they do.

onime što rade.

But all of the people who I've spoken to

Ali, svi ljudi sa kojima sam razgovarao,

who have fallen foul of the law,

svi koji su prekršili zakon,

they have all said, "Please, please give us a chance

rekli su: "Molimo vas, dajte nam šansu

to work in the legitimate industry.

da radimo nešto u legalnoj industriji.

We just never knew how to get there, what we were doing.

Nikada nismo znali kako da dođemo do toga, nismo znali

We want to work with you."

šta radimo. Mi želimo da radimo sa vama."

Chris Anderson: Okay, well that makes sense. Thanks a lot Misha.

Kris Anderson: Dobro, to ima smisla. Hvala mnogo, Miša.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)