Misha Glenny: Hire the hackers!

Prevoditelj: Tilen Pigac - EFZG Recezent: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG

Now this is a very un-TED-like thing to do,

Ovo je vrlo ne-TED-ovska stvar za napraviti,

but let's kick off the afternoon

ali započnimo ovo popodne

with a message

s porukom

from a mystery sponsor.

od tajanstvenog sponzora.

Anonymous: Dear Fox News,

Anonimus: Drage Fox vijesti,

it has come to our unfortunate attention

opazili smo nažalost

that both the name and nature of Anonymous

kako su i ime i priroda Anonimusa

has been ravaged.

oštečeni.

We are everyone. We are no one.

Mi smo svi. Mi smo nitko.

We are anonymous. We are legion.

Mi smo anonimus. Mi smo legija.

We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Mi ne opraštamo. Mi ne zaboravljamo.

We are but the base of chaos.

Mi smo osnova kaosa.

Misha Glenny: Anonymous, ladies and gentlemen --

Misha Glenny: Anonimus, dame i gospodo --

a sophisticated group

sofisticirana grupa

of politically motivated hackers

politički motiviranih hakera

who have emerged in 2011.

koji su nastali 2011.

And they're pretty scary.

I oni su prilično strašni.

You never know when they're going to attack next,

Ne znate kada će idući put napasti,

who or what the consequences will be.

koga ili koje će biti posljedice.

But interestingly,

Ali zanimljivo,

they have a sense of humor.

imaju smisao za humor.

These guys hacked into Fox News' Twitter account

Ti momci su hakirali Twitter račun Fox vijesti

to announce President Obama's assassination.

kako bi najavili atentat na predsjednika Obamu.

Now you can imagine the panic that would have generated

Sada možete zamisliti paniku koju bi to moglo uzrokovati

in the newsroom at Fox.

u sobi za vijesti na Foxu.

"What do we do now?

"Što da učinimo sada?

Put on a black armband, or crack open the champagne?"

Stavimo crni povez za ruku ili otvorimo šampanjac?"

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And of course, who could escape the irony

I, naravno, tko bi mogao pobjeći ironiji

of a member of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

člana Rupert Murdochove korporacije za vijesti

being a victim of hacking for a change.

koji je za promjenu žrtva hakiranja.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Sometimes you turn on the news

Ponekad upalite vijesti

and you say, "Is there anyone left to hack?"

i kažete, "Postoji li još netko koga se može hakirati?"

Sony Playstation Network -- done,

Sony Playstation mreža -- učinjeno,

the government of Turkey -- tick,

Turska vlada -- obilježeno,

Britain's Serious Organized Crime Agency -- a breeze,

Britanska agencija za ozbiljan organizirani kriminal -- vrlo lako,

the CIA -- falling off a log.

CIA -- prelako.

In fact, a friend of mine from the security industry

Zapravo, moj prijatelj iz industrije osiguranja

told me the other day

rekao mi je neki dan

that there are two types of companies in the world:

kako postoje dvije vrste kompanija na svijetu:

those that know they've been hacked, and those that don't.

one koje znaju kako su bile hakirane, i one koje ne znaju.

I mean three companies

Mislim, tri kompanije

providing cybersecurity services to the FBI

koje pružaju uslugu internetske zaštite FBI-u

have been hacked.

su bile hakirane.

Is nothing sacred anymore, for heaven's sake?

Ne postoji li više išta sveto, za Boga miloga?

Anyway, this mysterious group Anonymous --

Kakobilo, ta tajanstvena grupa Anonimus --

and they would say this themselves --

i oni bi to rekli za sebe --

they are providing a service

oni pružaju uslugu

by demonstrating how useless companies are

demonstrirajući koliko su nemoćne kompanije

at protecting our data.

u zaštiti svojih podataka.

But there is also a very serious aspect to Anonymous --

Ali postoji isto i veoma ozbiljan aspekt Anonimusa --

they are ideologically driven.

oni su vođeni ideologijom.

They claim that they are battling

Oni tvrde kako se bore protiv

a dastardly conspiracy.

kukavičke zavjere.

They say that governments are trying

Oni tvrde kako vlade pokušavaju

to take over the Internet and control it,

preuzeti Internet i kontrolirati ih,

and that they, Anonymous,

a oni, Anonimus,

are the authentic voice of resistance --

predstavljaju autentičan glas otpora --

be it against Middle Eastern dictatorships,

bilo to protiv diktatura Bliskog istoka,

against global media corporations,

protiv globalnih medijskih korporacija,

or against intelligence agencies,

ili protiv obavještajnih agencija,

or whoever it is.

ili koga god već.

And their politics are not entirely unattractive.

A njihova politika nije potpuno neprivlačna.

Okay, they're a little inchoate.

U redu, malo su novi.

There's a strong whiff

Postoji snažan dašak

of half-baked anarchism about them.

polupečenog anarhizma u njima.

But one thing is true:

Ali jedna stvar je istinita:

we are at the beginning

nalazimo se na početku

of a mighty struggle

velike borbe

for control of the Internet.

za kontrolu Interneta.

The Web links everything,

Internet sve povezuje,

and very soon

i vrlo brzo

it will mediate most human activity.

će posredovati u većini ljudskih aktivnosti.

Because the Internet has fashioned

Jer je Internet donio

a new and complicated environment

novo i komplicirano okruženje

for an old-age dilemma

za dilemu starog vijeka

that pits the demands of security

koje suprotstavlja potrebu za sigurnošću

with the desire for freedom.

sa željom za slobodom.

Now this is a very complicated struggle.

To je jako komplicirana borba.

And unfortunately, for mortals like you and me,

I nažalost, za smrtnike kao što ste vi i ja,

we probably can't understand it very well.

mi vjerojatno ne možemo to dobro shvatiti.

Nonetheless,

No, bez obzira,

in an unexpected attack of hubris

u neočekivanom napadu oholosti

a couple of years ago,

prije par godina,

I decided I would try and do that.

odlučio sam kako ću pokušati to učiniti.

And I sort of get it.

I na neki način shvaćam.

These were the various things that I was looking at

Ovo su bile neke od raznih stvari koje sam promatrao

as I was trying to understand it.

kada sam ih pokušavao shvatiti.

But in order to try and explain the whole thing,

Ali kako bih pokušao objasniti cijelu stvar,

I would need another 18 minutes or so to do it,

biti će mi potrebno otprilike dodatnih 18 minuta kako bih to učinio,

so you're just going to have to take it on trust from me on this occasion,

tako da ćete mi ovaj put morati vjerovati na riječ,

and let me assure you that all of these issues

i dopustiti mi da vas uvjerim kako su sve te stvari

are involved in cybersecurity and control of the Internet

uključene u Internetsku zaštitu i kontrolu Interneta

one way or the other,

na ovaj ili onaj način,

but in a configuration

ali u konfiguraciji

that even Stephen Hawking would probably have difficulty

koju bi čak i Stephen Hawking s teškoćom

trying to get his head around.

mogao shvatiti.

So there you are.

Dakle, ovdje ste.

And as you see, in the middle,

I kao što vidite, u sredini,

there is our old friend, the hacker.

je naš stari prijatelj, haker.

The hacker is absolutely central

Haker je u potpunosti ključan

to many of the political, social

za mnoga politička, društvena

and economic issues affecting the Net.

i ekonomska pitanja koja utječu na Internet.

And so I thought to myself,

I stoga sam pomislio,

"Well, these are the guys who I want to talk to."

"Pa, ovdje su momci s kojima želim razgovarati."

And what do you know,

I pazite ovo,

nobody else does talk to the hackers.

nitko drugi ne razgovara s hakerima.

They're completely anonymous, as it were.

Oni su u potpunosti anonimni.

So despite the fact

Dakle, bez obzira

that we are beginning to pour billions,

što počinjemo ulijevati milijarde,

hundreds of billions of dollars,

stotine milijardi dolara,

into cybersecurity --

u zaštitu na Internetu --

for the most extraordinary technical solutions --

za najnaprednija tehnološka rješenja --

no one wants to talk

nitko ne želi razgovarati

to these guys, the hackers,

s tim momcima, hakerima,

who are doing everything.

koji sve rade.

Instead, we prefer these really dazzling technological solutions,

Umjesto, mi preferiramo ta doista zaslijepljujuća tehnološka rješenja,

which cost a huge amount of money.

koja koštaju puno novaca.

And so nothing is going into the hackers.

I tako ništa ne odlazi hakerima.

Well, I say nothing,

Pa, kažem ništa,

but actually there is one teeny weeny little research unit

ali zapravo postoji sićušni, maleni odjel za istraživanje

in Turin, Italy

u Torinu, Italiji

called the Hackers Profiling Project.

zvan Projekt profiliranja hakera.

And they are doing some fantastic research

I oni rade neka fantastična istraživanja

into the characteristics,

o karakteristikama,

into the abilities

sposobnostima

and the socialization of hackers.

i društvenosti hakera.

But because they're a U.N. operation,

Ali zato jer su oni operacija UN-a,

maybe that's why governments and corporations

možda zato vlade i korporacije

are not that interested in them.

nisu zainteresirane za njih.

Because it's a U.N. operation,

Zato jer je to operacija UN-a,

of course, it lacks funding.

naravno, nema dovoljno financijskih sredstava.

But I think they're doing very important work.

Ali mislim kako oni rade jako važan posao.

Because where we have a surplus of technology

Jer tamo gdje mi imamo višak tehnologije

in the cybersecurity industry,

u industriji internetske zaštite,

we have a definite lack of --

imamo definitivni manjak --

call me old-fashioned --

zovite me staromodnim --

human intelligence.

ljudske inteligencije.

Now, so far I've mentioned

Dosad sam spomenuo

the hackers Anonymous

Anonimus hakere

who are a politically motivated hacking group.

koji su politički motivirana grupa hakera.

Of course, the criminal justice system

Naravno, sustav kaznenog prava

treats them as common old garden criminals.

ih tretira kao obične staromodne kriminalce.

But interestingly,

Ali zanimljivo,

Anonymous does not make use of its hacked information

Anonimus ne koristi hakirane informacije

for financial gain.

za financijsku korist.

But what about the real cybercriminals?

Ali što je s pravim internetskim kriminalcima?

Well real organized crime on the Internet

Pa, stvaran organiziran kriminal na Internetu

goes back about 10 years

datira od prije 10 godina

when a group of gifted Ukrainian hackers

kada je grupa darovitih hakera iz Ukrajine

developed a website,

razvila web stranicu,

which led to the industrialization

koja je vodila do industrijalizacije

of cybercrime.

Internetskog zločina.

Welcome to the now forgotten realm of CarderPlanet.

Dobrodošli u sada zaboravljenu stvarnost 'Planeta kartica'.

This is how they were advertising themselves

Tako su se oglašavali

a decade ago on the Net.

prije 10 godina na Internetu.

Now CarderPlanet was very interesting.

'Planet kartica' je bio jako zanimljiv.

Cybercriminals would go there

Internetski kriminalci bi odlazili tamo

to buy and sell stolen credit card details,

kako bi kupili i prodavali ukradene detalje s kreditnih kartica,

to exchange information

kako bi razmjenili informacije

about new malware that was out there.

o novo izašlim zlonamjernim softverima.

And remember, this is a time

I upamtite, to je doba

when we're seeing for the first time

kada po prvi put opažamo

so-called off-the-shelf malware.

tako zvani zlobni softver s polica.

This is ready for use, out-of-the-box stuff,

To je roba spremna za korištenje, iz kutije,

which you can deploy

koju možete razviti

even if you're not a terribly sophisticated hacker.

čak i ako niste strašno sofisticiran haker.

And so CarderPlanet became a sort of supermarket

I tako je 'Planet kartica' postao neka vrsta supermarketa

for cybercriminals.

za internetske kriminalce.

And its creators

I njegovi kreatori

were incredibly smart and entrepreneurial,

su bili nevjerojatno pametni i poduzetni,

because they were faced

jer su bili suočeni

with one enormous challenge as cybercriminals.

s jednim ogromnim izazovom kao internetski kriminalci.

And that challenge is:

A taj izazov je:

How do you do business,

Kako poslujete,

how do you trust

kako vjerujete

somebody on the Web who you want to do business with

nekome na Internetu tko želi poslovati s vama

when you know that they're a criminal?

kada znate kada su oni kriminalci?

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

It's axiomatic that they're dodgy,

Aksiomatično je kako su oni sumnjivi,

and they're going to want to try and rip you off.

i kako će vas pokušati okrasti.

So the family, as the inner core of CarderPlanet was known,

Stoga je obitelj, tako se nazivala unutarnja jezgra 'Planeta kartica',

came up with this brilliant idea

došla do briljantne ideje

called the escrow system.

zvane sustav obveznica.

They appointed an officer

Postavili su službenika

who would mediate between the vendor and the purchaser.

koji bi posredovao između prodavača i kupca.

The vendor, say, had stolen credit card details;

Prodavač je, recimo, imao detalje ukradene kreditne kartice;

the purchaser wanted to get a hold of them.

kupac je želio doći do njih.

The purchaser would send the administrative officer

Kupac bi poslao administrativnom službeniku

some dollars digitally,

nekoliko dolara digitalno,

and the vendor would sell the stolen credit card details.

a prodavatelj bi prodao detalje ukradene kreditne kartice.

And the officer would then verify

A službenik bi tada potvrdio

if the stolen credit card worked.

funkcionira li ukradena kreditna kartica.

And if they did,

I ako bi,

he then passed on the money to the vendor

on bi zatim proslijedio novac prodavaču

and the stolen credit card details to the purchaser.

i detalje ukradene kreditne kartice kupcu.

And it was this

I to je bilo ono

which completely revolutionized cybercrime on the Web.

što je u potpunosti revolucionariziralo internetski kriminal.

And after that, it just went wild.

I nakon toga, samo je podivljalo.

We had a champagne decade

Imali smo dekadu šampanjca

for people who we know as Carders.

za ljude koje znamo kao 'Kartice'.

Now I spoke to one of these Carders

Pričao sam s jednom 'Karticom'

who we'll call RedBrigade --

kojeg ćemo zvati CrvenaBrigada --

although that wasn't even his proper nickname --

iako to nije bio ni njegov pravi nadimak --

but I promised I wouldn't reveal who he was.

ali obećao sam kako neću otkriti tko je on.

And he explained to me how in 2003 and 2004

I objasnio mi je kako bi 2003. i 2004.

he would go on sprees in New York,

otišao na pohode u New York,

taking out $10,000 from an ATM here,

uzimajući 10.000 dolara iz bankomata ovdje,

$30,000 from an ATM there,

30.000 dolara iz bankomata tamo,

using cloned credit cards.

koristeći klonirane kreditne kartice.

He was making, on average a week,

Zarađivao je, prosječno na tjedan,

$150,000 --

150.000 dolara --

tax free of course.

bez poreza, naravno.

And he said

I rekao je

that he had so much money

kako je imao toliko novaca

stashed in his upper-East side apartment at one point

spremljenog u jednom trenutku u svom stanu na upper-East side-u

that he just didn't know what to do with it

kako jednostavno nije znao što bi s njime

and actually fell into a depression.

i zapravo je pao u depresiju.

But that's a slightly different story,

Ali to je malo drugačija priča,

which I won't go into now.

u koju neću sada ulaziti.

Now the interesting thing about RedBrigade

Sada, zanimljiva stvar o CrvenojBrigadi

is that he wasn't an advanced hacker.

je kako on nije bio napredan haker.

He sort of understood the technology,

On je shvaćao tehnologiju,

and he realized that security was very important

i shvatio je kako je sigurnost jako važna

if you were going to be a Carder,

ukoliko želite biti 'Kartica',

but he didn't spend his days and nights

ali nije provodio svoje dane i noći

bent over a computer, eating pizza,

nad računalom, jedući picu,

drinking coke and that sort of thing.

pijući kolu i te stvari.

He was out there on the town

On je bio vani po gradu

having a fab time enjoying the high life.

super se provodeći uživajući u životu na visokoj nozi.

And this is because

A to je zato

hackers are only one element

jer su hakeri samo jedan element

in a cybercriminal enterprise.

u poduzeću internetskog kriminala.

And often they're the most vulnerable element of all.

I najčešće su oni najranjivi element od svih.

And I want to explain this to you

I želim vam to objasniti

by introducing you to six characters

predstavljajući vam šest likova

who I met

koje sam upoznao

while I was doing this research.

kada sam provodio ovo istraživanje.

Dimitry Golubov, aka SCRIPT --

Dimitry Golubov, ili SCRIPT --

born in Odessa, Ukraine in 1982.

rođen u Odessi, Ukrajina 1982.

Now he developed his social and moral compass

On je razvio svoj društveni i moralni kompas

on the Black Sea port during the 1990s.

u luci Crnog mora tijekom 1990-ih.

This was a sink-or-swim environment

To je bilo potoni-ili-plivaj okruženje

where involvement in criminal or corrupt activities

gdje je uključenost u kriminal ili korumpirane aktivnosti

was entirely necessary

bilo apsolutno potrebno

if you wanted to survive.

ako ste željeli preživjeti.

As an accomplished computer user,

Kao potvrđeni računalni korisnik,

what Dimitry did

Dimitry je

was to transfer the gangster capitalism of his hometown

transferirao kapitalizam gangstera svog rodnog grada

onto the Worldwide Web.

na World Wide Web.

And he did a great job in it.

I on je napravio sjajan posao.

You have to understand though

Ipak morate shvatiti

that from his ninth birthday,

kako je od njegova devetog rođendana,

the only environment he knew

jedino okruženje koje je poznavao

was gangsterism.

bilo gangsterizam.

He knew no other way of making a living

Nije znao niti jedan drugi način življenja

and making money.

i zarađivanja novca.

Then we have Renukanth Subramaniam,

Zatim imamo Renukantha Subramaniama,

aka JiLsi --

ili JiLsi --

founder of DarkMarket,

osnivača TamnogTržišta,

born in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

rođenog u Kolombu, Šri Lanci.

As an eight year-old,

Kao osmogodišnjak,

he and his parents fled the Sri Lankan capital

on i njegovi roditelji su napustili glavni grad Šri Lanke

because Singhalese mobs were roaming the city,

jer je Singalska mafija harala gradom,

looking for Tamils like Renu to murder.

u potrazi za Tamilima kao što je Renu kako bi ih ubila.

At 11, he was interrogated by the Sri Lankan military,

U dobi od 11, vojska Šri Lanke ga je ispitivala,

accused of being a terrorist,

optužila da je terorist,

and his parents sent him on his own to Britain

i roditelji su ga poslali samoga u Britaniju

as a refugee seeking political asylum.

kao izbjeglicu koja traži politički azil.

At 13,

U dobi od 13 godina,

with only little English and being bullied at school,

sa samo malo engleskog i maltretiranja u školi,

he escaped into a world of computers

pobjegao je u svijet računala

where he showed great technical ability,

gdje je pokazao veliku tehničku sposobnost,

but he was soon being seduced

ali je ubrzo zaveden

by people on the Internet.

od ljudi na Internetu.

He was convicted of mortgage and credit card fraud,

Optužen je za hipotekarnu i kartičnu prijevaru,

and he will be released from Wormwood Scrubs jail in London

i biti će pušten iz Wormwood Scrubs zatvora u Londonu

in 2012.

2012. godine.

Matrix001,

Matrix001,

who was an administrator at DarkMarket.

bio je administrator u TamnomTržištu.

Born in Southern Germany

Rođen u južnoj Njemačkoj

to a stable and well-respected middle class family,

u stabilnu i visoko poštovanu obitelj srednjeg sloja,

his obsession with gaming as a teenager

njegova opsjednutost video igricama kao tinejdžera

led him to hacking.

odvela ga je do hakiranja.

And he was soon controlling huge servers around the world

I ubrzo je kontrolirao ogromne servere diljem svijeta

where he stored his games

gdje je pohranjivao svoje igre

that he had cracked and pirated.

koje je krekirao i bespravno presnimavao.

His slide into criminality

Njegov ulazak u kriminal

was incremental.

je bio inkrementalan.

And when he finally woke up to his situation

I kada je napokon postao svjestan svoje situacije

and understood the implications,

i shvatio implikacije,

he was already in too deep.

već je bio preduboko u tome.

Max Vision, aka ICEMAN --

Max Vision, ili ICEMAN --

mastermind of CardersMarket.

vrhovni um kartičnogTržišta.

Born in Meridian, Idaho.

Rođen u Meridianu, Idaho.

Max Vision was one of the best penetration testers

Max Vision je bio jedan od najboljih testera penetracije

working out of Santa Clara, California

koji je radio iz Santa Clare, Kalifornija,

in the late 90s for private companies

u kasnim 90-im za privatne kompanije

and voluntarily for the FBI.

i dobrovoljno za FBI.

Now in the late 1990s,

Sada, u kasnim 1990-im,

he discovered a vulnerability

otkrio je ranjivost

on all U.S. government networks,

na svim mrežama vlade SAD-a,

and he went in and patched it up --

i ušao je unutra i zakrpao ih --

because this included nuclear research facilities --

jer je to uključivalo postrojenja za istraživanje nuklearne energije --

sparing the American government

pošteđujući američku vladu

a huge security embarrassment.

velike sigurnosne sramote.

But also, because he was an inveterate hacker,

Ali ujedno, jer je bio okorjeli haker,

he left a tiny digital wormhole

ostavio je sićušan digitalni rupu

through which he alone could crawl.

kroz koju bi se on sam mogao provući.

But this was spotted by an eagle-eye investigator,

Ali to je primjetio istražitelj s okom sokolovim,

and he was convicted.

i bio je optužen.

At his open prison,

U svom otvorenom zatvoru,

he came under the influence of financial fraudsters,

došao je pod utjecaj financijskih prevaranata,

and those financial fraudsters

i ti financijski prevaranti

persuaded him to work for them

uvjerili su ga da radi za njih

on his release.

nakon njegova puštanja.

And this man with a planetary-sized brain

I taj čovjek s mozgom veličine planeta

is now serving a 13-year sentence

odležava sada 13-godišnju kaznu

in California.

u Kaliforniji.

Adewale Taiwo, aka FreddyBB --

Adewale Taiwo, ili FeddyBB --

master bank account cracker

majstor dešifiranja bankovnih računa

from Abuja in Nigeria.

iz Abuje u Nigeriji.

He set up his prosaically entitled newsgroup,

Postavio je svoju prozaično naslovljenu grupu,

[email protected]

[email protected]

before arriving in Britain

prije dolaska u Britaniju

in 2005

2005. godine

to take a Masters in chemical engineering

kako bi otišao na magisterij kemijskog inženjeringa

at Manchester University.

na Sveučilištu Manchester.

He impressed in the private sector,

On je impresionirao u privatnom sektoru,

developing chemical applications for the oil industry

razvijajući kemijske aplikacije za industriju nafte

while simultaneously running

dok je simultano vodio

a worldwide bank and credit card fraud operation that was worth millions

svjetsku operaciju bankovnih i kartičnih prijevara koja je bila vrijedna milijune

until his arrest in 2008.

sve do njegova uhićenja 2008. godine.

And then finally, Cagatay Evyapan,

I naposljetku, Cagatay Evyapan,

aka Cha0 --

ili Cha0 --

one of the most remarkable hackers ever,

jedan od najnevjerojatnijih hakera ikada,

from Ankara in Turkey.

iz Ankare u Turskoj.

He combined the tremendous skills of a geek

On je kombinirao ogromne vještine štrebera

with the suave social engineering skills

s ljubaznim vještinama društvenog inženjeringa

of the master criminal.

majstorskog kriminalca.

One of the smartest people I've ever met.

Jedan od najpametnijih ljudi koje sam ikada upoznao.

He also had the most effective

On je ujedno imao i najučinkovitiju

virtual private network security arrangement

virtualnu privatnu mrežu sigurnosti

the police have ever encountered

na koju je policija ikada naišla

amongst global cybercriminals.

među globalnim internetskim kriminalcima.

Now the important thing

Sada, važna stvar

about all of these people

o svim tim ljudima

is they share certain characteristics

je kako dijele određene karakteristike

despite the fact that they come from very different environments.

unatoč činjenici kako dolaze iz vrlo različitih okruženja.

They are all people who learned their hacking skills

To su sve ljudi koji su naučili svoje vještine hakiranja

in their early to mid-teens.

u svojim ranim i srednjim tinejdžerskim godinama.

They are all people

To su sve ljudi

who demonstrate advanced ability

koji pokazuju naprednu sposobnost

in maths and the sciences.

u matematici i znanostima.

Remember that, when they developed those hacking skills,

Upamtite, kada su razvili te vještine hakiranja,

their moral compass had not yet developed.

njihov moralni kompas još nije bio razvijen.

And most of them, with the exception of SCRIPT and Cha0,

I većina njih, uz inimku SCRIPT-a i Cha0-a,

they did not demonstrate

nisu demonstrirali

any real social skills in the outside world --

neke prave društvene vještine u vanjskom svijetu --

only on the Web.

samo na Internetu.

And the other thing is

A druga stvar je

the high incidence of hackers like these

visoka učestalost hakera poput ovih

who have characteristics which are consistent

koji imaju karakteristike koje su konzistentne

with Asperger's syndrome.

s Aspergerovim sindromom.

Now I discussed this

Sada, razgovarao sam o tome

with Professor Simon Baron-Cohen

s profesorom Simonom Baron-Cohenom

who's the professor of developmental psychopathology at Cambridge.

koji je profesor razvojne psihopatologije na Cambridgeu.

And he has done path-breaking work on autism

I on je napravio rad od iznimnog značaja za autizam

and confirmed, also for the authorities here,

i potvrdio, ujedno i za nadležne ovdje,

that Gary McKinnon --

kako Gary McKinnon --

who is wanted by the United States

koji je tražen od Sjedinjenih Država

for hacking into the Pentagon --

za hakiranje u Pentagon --

suffers from Asperger's

boluje od Aspergera

and a secondary condition

i drugog stupnja

of depression.

depresije.

And Baron-Cohen explained

I Baron-Cohen je objasnio

that certain disabilities

kako se određene poteškoće

can manifest themselves in the hacking and computing world

mogu manifestirati u svijetu hakiranja i računalstva

as tremendous skills,

kao ogromne vještine,

and that we should not be throwing in jail

i kako ne bismo smjeli bacati u zatvor

people who have such disabilities and skills

ljude s takvim poteškoćama i vještinama

because they have lost their way socially

jer su izgubili svoj društveni put

or been duped.

ili su bili nasamareni.

Now I think we're missing a trick here,

Mislim kako smo previdjeli jedan trik ovdje,

because I don't think people like Max Vision should be in jail.

jer mislim kako ljudi poput Max Visiona ne bi trebali biti u zatvoru.

And let me be blunt about this.

I dopustite mi da budem iskren o tome.

In China, in Russia and in loads of other countries

U Kini, Rusiji i hrpi drugih država

that are developing cyber-offensive capabilities,

koje razvijaju sposobnosti internetskog napada,

this is exactly what they are doing.

to je upravo ono što rade.

They are recruiting hackers

One regrutiraju hakere

both before and after they become involved

prije i nakon što postaju uključeni

in criminal and industrial espionage activities --

u kriminalne i aktivnosti industrijske špijunaže --

are mobilizing them

mobiliziraju ih

on behalf of the state.

od strane države.

We need to engage

Moramo se uključiti

and find ways of offering guidance

i pronaći načine pružanja smjernica

to these young people,

tim mladim ljudima,

because they are a remarkable breed.

jer oni su nevjerojatna sorta.

And if we rely, as we do at the moment,

I ako se oslanjamo, kao što to činimo sada,

solely on the criminal justice system

isključivo na sustav kaznenog prava

and the threat of punitive sentences,

i prijetnju kaznenim osudama,

we will be nurturing a monster we cannot tame.

uzgajat ćemo čudovište koje ne možemo ukrotiti.

Thank you very much for listening.

Hvala vam puno za slušanje.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Chris Anderson: So your idea worth spreading

Chris Anderson: Dakle, tvoja ideja koja je vrijedna širenja

is hire hackers.

je unajmiti hakere.

How would someone get over that kind of fear

Kako će netko prevladati strah

that the hacker they hire

kako će hakeri koje unajme

might preserve that little teensy wormhole?

možda zadržati malu, sićušnu crvotočinu?

MG: I think to an extent,

MG: Mislim, do neke krajnosti,

you have to understand

morate razumijeti

that it's axiomatic among hackers that they do that.

kako je to aksiomatično kod hakera koji to rade.

They're just relentless and obsessive

Oni su jednostavno nemilosrdni i opsjednuti

about what they do.

time što rade.

But all of the people who I've spoken to

Ali svi ljudi s kojima sam razgovarao,

who have fallen foul of the law,

koji su završili onkraj zakona,

they have all said, "Please, please give us a chance

svi su oni rekli, "Molim vas, molim vas, dajte nam šansu

to work in the legitimate industry.

da radimo u legitimnoj industriji.

We just never knew how to get there, what we were doing.

Mi jednostavno nikada nismo znali kako doći tamo, što radimo.

We want to work with you."

Mi želimo raditi s vama".

Chris Anderson: Okay, well that makes sense. Thanks a lot Misha.

Chris Anderson: U redu, to ima smisla. Puno ti hvala Misha.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)