Lesley Hazleton: A "tourist" reads the Koran

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Prevodilac: Natalija Maric Lektor: Ana Zivanovic-Nenadovic
00:16
You may have heard about the Koran's idea of paradise
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Možda ste čuli
da u Kuranu ideja raja
00:19
being 72 virgins,
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jesu 72 device.
I obećavam da ću se kasnije vratiti na te device.
00:22
and I promise I will come back to those virgins.
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Ali zapravo, ovde na severozapadu,
00:25
But in fact, here in the Northwest, we're living very close
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živimo veoma blizu
00:28
to the real Koranic idea of paradise,
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pravoj kuranskoj slici raja,
00:30
defined 36 times as "gardens watered by running streams."
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36 puta definisanoj
kao "vrtovi koji su prožeti tekućim potocima.".
00:37
Since I live on a houseboat on the running stream of Lake Union,
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Pošto ja živim na splavu, na tekućoj pritoci jezera Junion,
meni je to savršeno smisleno.
00:41
this makes perfect sense to me.
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00:43
But the thing is, how come it's news to most people?
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Stvar je u tome, otkud ovo može biti novost za većinu ljudi?
00:47
I know many well-intentioned non-Muslims
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Znam mnoge dobronamerne nemuslimane
00:50
who've begun reading the Koran, but given up,
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koji su počeli da čitaju Kuran, ali su odustali,
00:52
disconcerted by its "otherness."
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uznemireni njegovom različitošću.
00:56
The historian Thomas Carlyle considered Muhammad
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Istoričar Tomas Karlajl
smatrao je Muhameda jednim od najvećih heroja na svetu,
00:58
one of the world's greatest heroes,
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01:00
yet even he called the Koran
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pa ipak, čak i on je nazvao Kuran
"Najnapornijim štivom koje sam ikada uzeo,
01:03
"as toilsome reading as I ever undertook; a wearisome, confused jumble."
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zamoran, zbunjuć, zbrkan.".
01:08
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Deo problema, ja mislim,
01:11
Part of the problem, I think, is that we imagine
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jeste u tome što zamišljamo da se Kuran može pročitati
01:14
that the Koran can be read as we usually read a book --
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kao što mi obično čitamo knjige -
01:17
as though we can curl up with it on a rainy afternoon
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misleći da se možemo sklupčati uz nju jednog kišnog popodneva
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with a bowl of popcorn within reach,
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sa činijom kokica na dohvat,
01:22
as though God --
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kao da je bog -
01:24
and the Koran is entirely in the voice of God speaking to Muhammad --
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a čitav Kuran je božiji glas koji se obraća Muhamedu -
samo još jedan autor na listi best selera.
01:28
were just another author on the best-seller list.
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01:32
Yet, the fact that so few people do actually read the Koran
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Pa ipak zato što tako malo ljudi
zapravo čita Kuran
je upravo ono zbog čega ga je lako citirati -
01:37
is precisely why it's so easy to quote -- that is, to misquote.
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to jest, pogrešno citirati.
01:42
(Laughter)
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Fraze i komadići uzeti iz konteksta
01:43
Phrases and snippets taken out of context
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01:45
in what I call the "highlighter version,"
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su ono što ja zovem sažetom verzijom,
01:47
which is the one favored by both Muslim fundamentalists
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koju favorizuju i muslimanski fundamentalisti
01:50
and anti-Muslim Islamophobes.
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i antimuslimanski islamofobici.
01:54
So this past spring,
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I tako prošlog proleća,
dok sam se pripremala
01:56
as I was gearing up to begin writing a biography of Muhammad,
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da počnem pisanje Muhamedove biografije,
02:00
I realized I needed to read the Koran properly --
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shvatila sam da moram da pročitam Kuran kako dolikuje -
to jest, koliko god dolično to budem mogla.
02:04
as properly as I could, that is.
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02:07
My Arabic is reduced by now to wielding a dictionary,
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Moj arapski je do sada sveden
na listanje rečnika,
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so I took four well-known translations
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zato sam uzela četiri dobro poznata prevoda
02:12
and decided to read them side by side, verse by verse,
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i odlučila da ih čitam paralelno,
stih po stih
02:16
along with a transliteration and the original seventh-century Arabic.
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zajedno sa transliteracijom
i originalnim arapskim iz sedmog veka.
02:24
Now, I did have an advantage.
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E sad, imala sam prednost.
02:27
My last book was about the story behind the Shi'a-Sunni split,
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Moja poslednja knjiga
je bila o raskolu između Šiita i Sunita,
02:32
and for that, I'd worked closely with the earliest Islamic histories,
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i zbog toga sam radila dosta sa najranijim islamskim istorijama,
02:35
so I knew the events to which the Koran constantly refers,
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pa sam znala događaje
na koje se Kuran konstantno poziva,
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its frame of reference.
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njegovu okvirnu odrednicu.
02:41
I knew enough, that is, to know that I'd be a tourist in the Koran --
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Znala sam dovoljno, to jest, da bih znala
da ću biti turistkinja u Kuranu -
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an informed one,
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jedna od informisanih,
02:48
an experienced one, even,
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čak i jedna od onih sa iskustvom,
02:50
but still an outsider,
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ali ipak stranac,
02:52
an agnostic Jew reading someone else's holy book.
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agnostička Jevrejka
koja čita tuđu svetu knjigu.
02:56
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:58
So I read slowly.
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Zato sam čitala polako.
03:00
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:04
I'd set aside three weeks for this project,
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Odvojila sam tri nedelje za ovaj projekat,
03:07
and that, I think, is what is meant by "hubris" --
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i to je, ono što mislim da se podrazumeva rečju oholost.
(Smeh)
03:10
(Laughter)
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03:14
because it turned out to be three months.
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Zato što se to pretvorilo u tri meseca.
03:16
(Laughter)
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03:18
I did resist the temptation to skip to the back,
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Odolela sam iskušenju da preskočim na kraj
gde su kraća i očigledno mističnija poglavlja.
03:21
where the shorter and more clearly mystical chapters are.
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Ali svaki put kad sam pomislila da počinjem
03:24
But every time I thought I was beginning to get a handle on the Koran --
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da razumem Kuran -
03:27
that feeling of "I get it now" --
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taj osećaj "sad kapiram" -
bi iskliznuo preko noći.
03:30
it would slip away overnight,
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I vratila bih se ujutru
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and I'd come back in the morning,
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03:33
wondering if I wasn't lost in a strange land.
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pitajući se da li sam izgubljena u čudnoj zemlji.
A opet, teren je bio veoma poznat.
03:37
And yet, the terrain was very familiar.
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03:40
The Koran declares that it comes to renew the message
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Kuran tvrdi da dolazi
da obnovi poruke Tore i Jevanđelja.
03:43
of the Torah and the Gospels.
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03:44
So one-third of it reprises the stories of Biblical figures
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Tako da jedna trećina
reprizira priče o biblijskim ličnostima
03:48
like Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Mary, Jesus.
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kao što su Abraham, Mojsije,
Jozef, Marija, Isus.
Bog je bio potpuno poznat
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God himself was utterly familiar
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03:56
from his earlier manifestation as Yahweh,
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iz svoje pređašnje manifestacije kao Jahve -
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jealously insisting on no other gods.
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ljubomorno insistirajući na nemanju drugih bogova.
04:03
The presence of camels, mountains, desert wells and springs
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Prisustvo kamila, planina,
pustinjskih bunara izvora
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took me back to the year I spent wandering the Sinai Desert.
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vratilo me je nazad u godinu koju sam provela
lutajući Sinajskom pustinjom.
A onda je tu bio jezik,
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And then there was the language, the rhythmic cadence of it,
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stopa njegovog rimovanja,
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reminding me of evenings spent listening to Bedouin elders
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podsetila me je na večeri provedene u slušanju beduinskih starešina
koji recituju višesatne, duge narativne pesme
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recite hours-long narrative poems
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potpuno iz sećanja.
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entirely from memory.
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04:26
And I began to grasp why it's said
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I onda sam počela da shvatam
zašto se kaže
04:30
that the Koran is really the Koran only in Arabic.
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da je Kuran stvarno Kuran
samo na arapskom.
04:35
Take the Fatihah, the seven-verse opening chapter
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Uzmimo Fatihah,
sedam strofa dugo uvodno poglavlje
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that is the Lord's Prayer and the Shema Yisrael of Islam combined.
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koje je očenaš i "Šema Izrael" islama u kombinaciji.
04:44
It's just 29 words in Arabic,
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To je samo 29 reči na arapskom,
ali 65 do 72 reči u prevodu.
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but anywhere from 65 to 72 in translation.
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A opet, što više dodaš,
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And yet the more you add, the more seems to go missing.
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više izgleda da fali.
Arapski ima čaroban,
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The Arabic has an incantatory, almost hypnotic quality
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skoro hipnotički kvalitet,
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that begs to be heard rather than read,
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koji bukvalno preklinje da bude slušan, umesto pročitan,
doživljen, više nego analiziran.
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felt more than analyzed.
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05:06
It wants to be chanted out loud,
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Želi da bude uzvikivan glasno,
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to sound its music in the ear and on the tongue.
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da oglasi svoju muziku u uhu i na jeziku.
Tako da je Kuran na engleskom
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So the Koran in English is a kind of shadow of itself,
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na neki način sopstvena senka
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or as Arthur Arberry called his version,
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ili kako je Artur Arberi nazvao svoju verziju,
05:19
"an interpretation."
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"interpretacija".
05:22
But all is not lost in translation.
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Ali nije sve izgubljeno u prevodu.
Kao što Kuran obećava, strpljenje je nagrađeno,
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As the Koran promises, patience is rewarded,
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05:28
and there are many surprises --
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i postoje mnoga iznenađenja -
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a degree of environmental awareness, for instance,
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stepen ekološke svesti na primer
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and of humans as mere stewards of God's creation,
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i ljudi kao puki čuvari božijeg stvaranja,
05:37
unmatched in the Bible.
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bez premca u Bibliji.
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And where the Bible is addressed exclusively to men,
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I dok se Biblija obraća isključivo muškarcima,
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using the second- and third-person masculine,
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koristeći drugo i treće lice muškog roda,
Kuran uključuje žene -
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the Koran includes women --
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05:47
talking, for instance,
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govoreći, na primer,
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of believing men and believing women,
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o muškarcima vernicima i ženama vernicama -
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honorable men and honorable women.
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časnim muškarcima i časnim ženama.
05:56
Or take the infamous verse about killing the unbelievers.
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Ili uzmimo neslavni stih
o ubijanju nevernika.
Da, zaista kaže to,
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Yes, it does say that,
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but in a very specific context:
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ali u veoma određenom kontekstu:
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the anticipated conquest of the sanctuary city of Mecca,
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za očekivano osvanjanje
svetog grada Meke
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where fighting was usually forbidden.
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gde je borba obično bila zabranjena.
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And the permission comes hedged about with qualifiers.
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A dozvola je ograničena određenim uslovima.
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Not "You must kill unbelievers in Mecca,"
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Ne kaže, morate ubiti nevernike u Meki,
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but you can, you are allowed to,
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već možete, dozvoljeno vam je,
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but only after a grace period is over,
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ali samo nakon isteka perioda milosrdnog odlaganja
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and only if there's no other pact in place,
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i samo ako se ne može pronaći drugi dogovor
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and only if they try to stop you getting to the Kaaba,
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i samo ako te sprečavaju da dođeš do Kabe,
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and only if they attack you first.
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i samo ako te prvi napadnu.
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And even then -- God is merciful;
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Čak i tada - bog je milostiv,
oproštaj je uzvišen -
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forgiveness is supreme --
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06:40
and so, essentially,
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i tako, u suštni,
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better if you don't.
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bolje je da to ne radiš.
06:44
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:47
This was perhaps the biggest surprise --
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To je možda najveće iznenađenje -
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how flexible the Koran is,
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koliko je Kuran fleksibilan,
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at least in minds that are not fundamentally inflexible.
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makar u umovima koji nisu
fundamentalno nefleksibilni.
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"Some of these verses are definite in meaning," it says,
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"Neki od ovih stihova su određeni u svom značenju", kaže,
"a drugi su dvosmisleni.
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"and others are ambiguous."
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Oni izopačeni u srcu
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The perverse at heart will seek out the ambiguities,
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će tražiti dvosmislene,
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trying to create discord by pinning down meanings of their own.
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pokušavajući da stvore neslogu
dodavanjem svojih značenja.
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Only God knows the true meaning.
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Samo bog zna pravo zančenje."
07:16
The phrase "God is subtle" appears again and again,
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Fraza "Bog je suptilan"
se pojavljuje iznova i iznova.
07:20
and indeed, the whole of the Koran is far more subtle
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I zaista, ceo Kuran je daleko suptilniji
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than most of us have been led to believe.
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nego što je većina nas navedena da misli.
Kao, na primer,
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As in, for instance, that little matter of virgins and paradise.
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ta mala stvar
o devicama i raju.
07:31
Old-fashioned orientalism comes into play here.
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Staromodni orijentalizam ovde stupa na scenu.
07:35
The word used four times is "houris,"
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Četiri puta upotrebljena reč
Houris,
07:40
rendered as dark-eyed maidens with swelling breasts,
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predstavljena je kao
tamnooke deve sa nateklim grudima,
07:44
or as fair, high-bosomed virgins.
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ili kao plavokose, prsate device.
Ipak, sve što ima u originalnom arapskom
07:49
Yet all there is in the original Arabic is that one word: houris.
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je ta jedna reč: Houris.
07:54
Not a swelling breast or high bosom in sight.
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Nema otekle dojke ili bujnog poprsja na vidiku.
07:57
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:59
Now this may be a way of saying "pure beings," like in angels,
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Sad, ovo može biti način da se kaže
čista bića - kao anđeli -
ili može biti kao grčki "kurosi" ili "kore",
08:04
or it may be like the Greek "kouros" or "kore,"
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08:07
an eternal youth.
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večna mladost.
08:08
But the truth is, nobody really knows.
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Ali istina je da niko zapravo ne zna,
08:11
And that's the point.
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i u tome je poenta.
08:13
Because the Koran is quite clear
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Zato što je Kuran prilično jasan
08:15
when it says that you'll be "a new creation in paradise,"
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kada kaže da ćeš biti,
"nova tvorevina u raju",
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and that you will be "recreated in a form unknown to you,"
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i da ćeš biti "ponovo napravljen
u obliku koji ti je nepoznat",
08:25
which seems to me a far more appealing prospect
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što mi deluje kao daleko privlačniji izgled
08:28
than a virgin.
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od device.
08:30
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:38
And that number 72 never appears.
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A taj broj 72 se nigde ne pojavljuje.
08:41
There are no 72 virgins in the Koran.
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Ne postoje 72 device
u Kuranu.
08:45
That idea only came into being 300 years later,
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Ta ideja je došla tek 300 godina kasnije,
08:48
and most Islamic scholars see it as the equivalent
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i većina islamskih učenjaka to vidi kao poistovećenje
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of people with wings sitting on clouds and strumming harps.
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sa ljudima sa krilima koji sede na oblacima
i sviraju harfe.
08:56
Paradise is quite the opposite.
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Raj je potpuna suprotnost.
09:00
It's not virginity;
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Nije nevinost,
09:01
it's fecundity;
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već je plodnost,
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it's plenty.
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on je obilje,
to su vrtovi prožeti
09:06
It's gardens watered by running streams.
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tekućim potocima.
09:11
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
09:12
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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