Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!

Translator: Klavdija Cernilogar Reviewer: Tilen Pigac - EFZG

Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.

Pozdravljeni. Ime mi je Hasan. Sem umetnik.

And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,

In ponavadi, ko ljudem povem, da sem umetnik,

they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"

me pogledajo in rečejo: "Ali slikate?"

or "What kind of medium do you work in?"

ali "S kakšnimi mediji delate?"

Well most of my work that I work with

No, večina mojega dela

is really a little bit about methodologies of working

ima pravzaprav nekaj zveze z metodologijo,

rather than actually a specific discipline

ne toliko s posamezno disciplino

or a specific technique.

ali specifično tehniko.

So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.

Kar me v resnici zanima, je kreativno reševanje problemov.

And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.

In pred nekaj leti sem imel manjši problem.

So let me show you a little of that.

Naj vam pojasnim.

So it started over here.

Začelo se je tukaj.

And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.

To je letališče v Detroitu 19. junija 2002.

I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.

Letel sem v ZDA z razstave v tujini.

And as I was coming back,

In ko sem se vračal,

well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,

me je prijel FBI, sprejel me je agent FBI,

and went into a little room

me odpeljal v majhno sobo

and he asked me all sorts of questions --

in me vprašal celo vrsto stvari ...

"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?

"Kje ste bili? Kaj ste počeli? S kom ste se pogovarjali?

Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --

Zakaj ste bili tam? Kdo plačuje vaša potovanja?"...

all these little details.

vse te majhne podrobnosti.

And then literally just out of nowhere,

In potem, kar naenkrat,

the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"

me je vprašal: "Kje ste bili 12. septembra?"

And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"

In večina med nami, ko nas vprašajo, kje smo bili 12. septembra,

or any date for that fact,

ali na katerikoli dan pač,

it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."

reče: "Ne spomnim se točno, lahko pa pogledam."

So I pulled out my little PDA,

Izvlekel sem svoj mali organizator

and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."

in dejal: "V redu, poglejmo moje obveznosti 12. septembra."

I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.

Bilo je tam ... med 10.00 in 10.30 sem plačal račun za skladišče.

From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.

Med 10.30 in 12.00 sem se sestal z Judith, ki je bila tedaj moja študentka.

From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,

Od 12.00 do 15.00 sem predaval prvim letnikom,

3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.

med 15.00 in 18.00 sem predaval višjim letnikom.

"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"

"Kje ste bili enajstega?" "Kje ste bili desetega?"

"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"

"Kje ste bili devetindvajsetega? Tridesetega?"

"Where were you October 5th?"

"Kje ste bili petega oktobra?"

We read about six months of my calendar.

Pregledala sva okoli šest mesecev mojega koledarja.

And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records

In mislim, da ni pričakoval, da bom imel tako podrobne podatke

of what I did.

o tem, kaj sem počel.

But good thing I did,

A še dobro, da sem jih imel,

because I don't look good in orange.

ker mi oranžna ne pristaja.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So he asked me --

Tako me je vprašal ...

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,

"Tole skladišče, za katerega ste plačali najemnino,

what did you have in it?"

kaj ste imeli v njem?"

This was in Tampa, Florida,

To je bilo v Tampi, na Floridi,

so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.

zato sem rekel: "Zimska oblačila, ki jih na Floridi ne potrebujem."

Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.

Pohištvo, za katerega ni prostora v mojem stanovanju.

Just assorted garage sale junk,

Različne stvari z garažnih razprodaj,

because I'm a pack rat."

saj zbiram kramo."

And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"

Precej zmedeno me je pogledal in rekel: "Nobenega eksploziva?"

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.

Odvrnil sem: "Ne, ne. Precej prepričan sem, da ni bilo eksploziva.

And if there were, I would have remembered that one."

Če pa bi bil, bi se ga spomnil."

And he's still a little confused,

Še vedno je bil malo zmeden,

but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes

a mislim, da vsak, ki se z mano pogovarja dlje kot nekaj minut,

realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.

ugotovi, da v resnici nisem teroristična grožnja.

And so we're sitting there,

Sedela sva torej tam

and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,

in po približno uri, uri in pol spraševanja

he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.

je dejal: "V redu, dovolj informacij sem dobil.

I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.

Poslal jih bom v urad v Tampi. Oni so pričeli ta postopek.

They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."

Oglasili se vam bodo in uredili bomo stvar."

I was like, "Great."

Rekel sem: "Odlično."

So I got home and the phone rings,

Vrnil sem se domov in zazvonil je telefon,

and a man introduced himself.

predstavil se je nek moški.

Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa

Tole je urad FBI v Tampi,

where I spent six months of my life --

kjer sem preživel šest mesecev...

back and forth, not six months continuously.

s prekinitvami, ne stalno.

By the way, you folks know that in the United States,

Aja, ali veste, da se v ZDA

you can't take photographs of federal buildings,

ne sme fotografirati federalnih stavb,

but Google can do it for you.

Google pa to lahko stori za vas.

So to the folks from Google, thank you.

Torej, ljudje z Googla, hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

So I spent a lot of time in this building.

Veliko časa sem preživel v tej stavbi.

Questions like:

Bila so vprašanja, kot recimo:

"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act

"Ste bili kdajkoli priča ali udeleženec v kakem dejanju,

that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"

ki bi lahko bilo uničujoče za ZDA ali drug narod?"

And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in

Vzemite v zakup, v kakšnem psihičnem stanju je človek,

when you're doing this.

ko to počne.

You're basically face-to-face with someone

Iz oči v oči ste z nekom,

that essentially decides life or death.

ki odloča o življenju in smrti.

Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,

Ali vprašanja, kot so ... pravzaprav, med testom na poligrafu,

which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --

s katerim se je po devetih rundah vse skupaj tudi končalo...

one of the polygraph questions was ...

eno od vprašanj na poligrafu je bilo...

well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."

prvo je bilo: "Vam je ime Hasan?" "Da."

"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."

"Smo na Floridi?" "Da." "Je danes torek?" "Je."

Because you have to base it on a yes or no.

Odgovor mora biti da ali ne.

Then, of course, the next question is:

Naslednje vprašanje je bilo:

"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"

"Ali pripadate kateri od skupin, ki želijo škoditi ZDA?"

I work at a university.

Delam na univerzi.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."

Zato sem rekel: "Mogoče je bolje, da vprašate moje kolege."

But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,

A odgovorili so: "V redu, poleg tega, o čemer smo se pogovarjali,

do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"

ali pripadate kateri od skupin, ki želijo škodovati ZDA?"

I was like, "No."

Rekel sem ne.

So at the end of six months of this

Po šestih mesecih tega

and nine consecutive polygraphs,

in devetih zaporednih poligrafih

they said, "Hey, everything's fine."

so rekli: "Hej, vse je v redu."

I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.

Jaz pa: "Vem. To sem vam že ves čas skušal dopovedati.

I know everything's fine."

Vem, da je vse v redu."

So they're looking at me really odd.

Čudno so me pogledali.

And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."

In rekel sem: "Glejte, veliko potujem."

This is with the FBI.

To je pri FBI.

And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,

Nadaljeval sem: "Vse, kar je treba, je da Aljaska ne dobi zadnje okrožnice,

and here we go all over again."

in vse se bo začelo znova."

And there was a sincere concern there.

To je bila resna skrb.

And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,

Rekel je: "Veste, če boste prišli v težave,

give us a call -- we'll take care of it."

nas pokličite ... rešili bomo stvar."

So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.

Od tedaj, preden sem potoval kamorkoli, sem vedno poklical FBI.

I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.

Povedal sem jim: "Hej, semle bom potoval. To je moj let.

Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle

Let sedem z Northwest s pristankom v Seattlu

on March 12th" or whatever.

12. marca" ali kadarkoli že.

A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.

Čez nekaj tednov sem spet poklical, jih obvestil.

It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.

Ni mi bilo treba, odločil sem se, da bom.

Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.

Hotel sem jim sporočiti: "Hej, fantje,

Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."

nočem dajati vtisa, da delam kakšne nenadne premike."

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.

"Nočem, da bi mislili, da želim pobegniti.

Just letting you know. Heads up."

Samo sporočam vam. Le pogumno!"

And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.

In to sem počel kar naprej.

And then the phone calls turned into emails,

Potem so se klici spremenili v elektronska sporočila,

and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...

ki so postajala vse daljša...

with pictures,

s fotografijami,

with travel tips.

z nasveti za potovanje.

Then I'd make websites.

Potem sem začel izdelovati spletne strani.

And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.

In nato sem zgradil tole. Naj se vrnem sem.

So I actually designed this back in 2003.

Tole sem oblikoval leta 2003.

So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.

Tole mi sledi v vsakem trenutku.

I wrote some code for my mobile phone.

Napravil sem kodo za svoj mobilni telefon.

Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.

V bistvu sem si rekel, v redu, fantje, hočete me nadzorovati, prav.

But I'll watch myself. It's okay.

A nadzoroval se bom sam, ni problema.

You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.

Ni vam treba trošiti energije ali sredstev.

And I'll help you out.

Pomagal vam bom.

So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?

V tem procesu sem začel razmišljati, kaj drugega bi lahko še vedeli o meni.

Well they probably have all my flight records,

Verjetno imajo podatke o vseh mojih letih,

so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.

zato sem se odločil, da bom vse tudi objavil.

So you can see, Delta 1252

Vidite, Delta 1252,

going from Kansas City to Atlanta.

let iz Kansas Cityja v Atlanto.

And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.

In tule, poglejte, je nekaj obrokov, ki sem jih dobil na letalih.

This was on Delta 719

To je bilo na letu Delta 719

going from JFK to San Francisco.

z letališča JFK v San Francisco.

See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,

Vidite tole? S tem ne smem na letalo,

but they'll give it to me on the plane.

a ko sem enkrat noter, mi ga dajo sami.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

These are the airports that I hang out in,

To so letališča, na katerih se zadržujem,

because I like airports.

ker so mi všeč.

That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.

To je letališče Kennedy, 19. maja, torek.

This is in Warsaw.

Tole je v Varšavi.

Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.

Singapur. Vidite, da so nekako prazna.

These images are shot really anonymously

Te fotografije so bile posnete naskrivaj,

to the point where it could be anyone.

tako da bi lahko šlo za kogarkoli.

But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,

A če jih primerjate z drugimi podatki,

then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent

potem igrate vlogo agenta FBI

and putting it all together.

in vse skupaj sestavljate v celoto.

And when you're in a situation

In ko ste v položaju,

where you have to justify every moment of your existence,

ko morate zagovarjati vsak trenutek svojega obstoja,

you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.

ste v situaciji, v kateri se obnašate zelo drugače.

At the time that this was going on,

Ko se je vse to dogajalo,

the last thing on my mind was "art project."

je bil "umetniški projekt" moja zadnja misel.

I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.

Vsekakor si nisem mislil, hej, tole je moje novo delo.

But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?

A ko sem šel skozi to, kaj se je pravzaprav zgodilo?

And after piecing together this, this and this,

Ko sem sestavil skupaj tole, tole in tole,

this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself

tale način ugotavljanja, kaj se je prevzaprav zgodilo,

eventually evolved into this,

se je sčasoma razvilo tole

and it actually became this project.

in postalo projekt.

So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --

To so trgovine, kjer nakupujem -- nekatere od njih --

because they need to know.

ker oni to pač morajo vedeti.

This is me buying some duck flavored paste

Tule kupujem pasto z okusom race

at the Ranch 99 in Daly City

v Ranch 99 v Daly Cityju

on Sunday, November 15th.

v nedeljo, 15. novembra.

At Coreana Supermarket

V supermarketu Coreana

buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.

kupujem kimči, ker mi je všeč.

And I bought some crabs too right around there,

Kupil sem tudi nekaj rakcev prav nekje tukaj,

and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.

in nekaj drobovine v Safewayu v Emoryvillu.

And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --

In perilo. Prašek za pranje perila v Zahodnem Oaklandu...

East Oakland, sorry.

oprostite, v Vzhodnem Oaklandu.

And then my pickled jellyfish

In vložene meduze

at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.

v Hong Kong supermarketu na Route 18 v Vzhodnem Brunswicku.

Now if you go to my bank records,

Če pogledamo moje bančne izpiske,

it'll actually show something from there,

bodo res pokazali nekaj iz teh krajev,

so you know that, on May 9th,

tako da veste, da sem 9. maja

that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.

kupil za 14,79 dolarjev goriva v Safewayu v Valleju.

So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,

Torej, ne samo da delim take informacije,

but now there's a third party,

vmešana je še tretja stran,

an independent third party, my bank,

neodvisna tretja stran, moja banka,

that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.

ki potrjuje, da sem v resnici takrat bil tam.

So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.

To so različne točke, ki jih je mogoče navzkrižno preveriti.

And there's a verification taking place.

Dogaja se verifikacija.

Sometimes they're really small purchases.

Včasih gre za res majhne nakupe.

So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.

Strošek mednarodne transakcije v višini 34 centov.

All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,

Vse to je mogoče videti direktno z mojih bančnih računov,

and everything pops up right away.

vse je takoj dosegljivo.

Sometimes there's a lot of information.

Včasih gre za veliko informacij.

This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.

Točno tule je stalo moje staro stanovanje v San Franciscu.

And then sometimes you get this.

In včasih potem dobite tole.

Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,

Včasih dobite tole, prazen hodnik v Salt Lake Cityju,

January 22nd.

22. januarja.

And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,

In lahko vam povem, s kom sem bil, kje sem bil,

because this is what I had to do with the FBI.

ker sem to moral povedati FBI-ju.

I had to tell them every little detail of everything.

Povedati sem jim moral vsako najmanjšo podrobnost.

I spend a lot of time on the road.

Veliko časa sem na poti.

This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada

Tole je parkirišče v Elku, v Nevadi,

off of Route 80

na izvozu z Route 80

at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.

19. avgusta ob 8.01 zvečer.

I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.

Veliko časa prebijem tudi na bencinskih črpalkah... praznih železniških postajah.

So there's multiple databases.

Tu je več baz podatkov.

And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.

In na tisoče in tisoče in tisoče fotografij.

There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,

V tem trenutku je na moji spletni strani 46.000 fotografij

and the FBI has seen all of them --

in FBI je videl vse...

at least I trust they've seen all of them.

vsaj mislim, da so videli vse.

And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,

In potem včasih ne dobite veliko informacij,

you just get this empty bed.

samo tole prazno posteljo.

And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.

In včasih gre le za besedilo brez vizualne informacije.

So you get something like this.

Dobite nekaj takega.

This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --

Tole, da veste, je lokacija moje najljubše prodajalne sendvičev v Kaliforniji...

Vietnamese sandwich.

vietnamski sendvič.

So there's different categorizations

Imam različne kategorije

of meals eaten outside

obrokov, ki sem jih jedel zunaj,

empty train stations, empty gas stations.

praznih železniških postaj, praznih bencinskih črpalk.

These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.

To je nekaj od jedi, ki sem jih skuhal doma.

So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?

In kako veste, da sem jih pojedel doma?

Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.

Ker se velikokrat pojavi isti krožnik.

So again, you have to do some detective work here.

Spet morate biti malo detektiva.

So sometimes the databases get so specific.

Včasih postanejo baze podatkov zelo specifične.

These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City

Tole so tacosi, ki sem jih jedel v Mexico Cityju

near a train station

blizu železniške postaje

on July fifth to July sixth.

5. in 6. julija.

At 11:39 a.m. was this one.

Tale je bil ob 11.39 dopoldne.

At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.

Ob 1.56 popoldne tale. Ob 4.59 popoldne pa tale.

So I time-stamp my life every few moments.

Svoje življenje tako dokumentiram vsakih nekaj trenutkov.

Every few moments I shoot the image.

Vsakih nekaj trenutkov posnamem fotografijo.

Now it's all done on my iPhone,

Zdaj vse to počnem z iPhonom,

and it all goes straight up to my server,

vse gre naravnost na moj server,

and my server does all the backend work

ki opravi vse delo

and categorizes things and puts everything together.

in razdeli stvari v kategorije ter vse skupaj sestavi.

They need to know where I'm doing my business,

Vedeti morajo, kje sem poslovno,

because they want to know about my business.

ker jih zanima, kaj počnem.

So on December 4th, I went here.

Četrtega decembra sem bil tu.

And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --

V nedeljo, 14. junija 2009...

this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon

bilo je pravzaprav okoli dveh popoldne

in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.

v Skowheganu, v Mainu ... tole je moje stanovanje.

So what you're basically seeing here

Kar v bistvu vidite tu,

is all bits and pieces and all this information.

so koščki informacij.

If you go to my site, there's tons of things.

Če obiščete mojo spletno stran, najdete na tone stvari.

And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.

In to res ni najbolj uporabniku prijazen posrednik.

It's actually quite user-unfriendly.

Pravzaprav je dokaj neprijazen.

And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,

Eden od razlogov in tudi del neprijaznosti do uporabnika je,

is that everything is there,

da je vse na voljo,

but you have to really work through it.

a prebiti se morate skozi.

So by me putting all this information out there,

S tem ko objavljam vse te informacije

what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.

vam dejansko povem vse.

But in this barrage of noise

A v tem hrupu,

that I'm putting out,

ki ga proizvajam,

I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.

pravzaprav živim neverjetno anonimno in zasebno življenje.

And you know very little about me actually.

In o meni veste zelo malo.

And really so I've come to the conclusion

Prišel sem do zaključka,

that the way you protect your privacy,

da za zaščito zasebnosti

particularly in an era where everything is cataloged

v obdobju, ko je vse katalogizirano

and everything is archived and everything is recorded,

in arhivirano in zabeleženo,

there's no need to delete information anymore.

ni več treba brisati informacij.

So what do you do when everything is out there?

Kaj storiti, ko je vse nekje zunaj?

Well you have to take control over it.

Vzemite nadzor v svoje roke.

And if I give you this information directly,

In če vam te podatke posredujem direktno,

it's a very different type of identity

gre za zelo drugačen tip identitete,

than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.

kot če bi sami poskušali pregledati vse in priti do informacij.

The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here

Druga zanimiva stvar, ki se dogaja, je,

is the fact that intelligence agencies --

da obveščevalne agencije,

and it doesn't matter who they are --

ne glede na to, katera,

they all operate in an industry

delujejo v branži,

where their commodity is information,

kjer je dobrina informacija

or restricted access to information.

ali omejen dostop do nje.

And the reason their information has any value

Razlog za to, da imajo njihove informacije kakršnokoli vrednost,

is, well, because no one else has access to it.

je, no, v tem, da nihče drug nima dostopa do njih.

And by me cutting out the middle man

In če jaz odstranim posrednika

and giving it straight to you,

in vam vse to ponudim sam,

the information that the FBI has has no value,

potem informacije, ki jih ima FBI, nimajo nobene vrednosti,

so thus devaluing their currency.

kar devalvira njihovo valuto.

And I understand that, on an individual level,

Razumem, da na ravni posameznika

it's purely symbolic.

gre za povsem simbolično stvar.

But if 300 million people in the U.S.

A če bi 300 milijonov ljudi v ZDA

started doing this,

začelo s tem,

we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system

bi morali preoblikovati ves obveščevalni sistem

from the ground up.

od začetka.

Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.

Kajti, če bi vsi delili vse, sistem ne bi deloval.

And we're getting to that.

In prihajamo do te točke.

When I first started this project,

Ko sem začel s projektom,

people were looking at me and saying,

so me ljudje gledali in govorili:

"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?

"Zakaj bi hotel vsem povedati, kaj počneš, kje si?

Why are you posting these photos?"

Zakaj objavljaš te fotografije?"

This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere

To je bilo, preden so ljudje povsod začeli s tvitanjem

and 750 million people

in preden je 750 milijonov ljudi

were posting status messages

objavljalo statuse

or poking people.

ali dregalo druge ljudi.

So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.

Na nek način sem vesel, da sem povsem zastarel.

I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,

Še vedno nadaljujem s projektom, a je zastarel,

because you're all doing it.

ker vsi to počnete.

This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,

To je nekaj, kar počnemo vsak dan,

whether we're aware of it or not.

pa če se tega zavedamo ali ne.

So we're creating our own archives and so on.

Ustvarjamo svoje lastne arhive in tako naprej.

And you know, some of my friends have always said,

In veste, nekateri prijatelji so vedno govorili:

"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?

"Ti si paranoičen. Zakaj to počneš?

Because no one's really watching.

Saj nihče v resnici ne gleda.

No one's really going to bother you."

Nihče te ne bo nadlegoval."

So one of the things that I do

Tako je ena od stvari, ki jih počnem,

is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.

da natančno pregledujem zapise na serverju.

Because it's about surveillance.

Kajti gre za nadzor.

I'm watching who's watching me.

Opazujem, kdo me opazuje.

And I came up with these.

In našel sem tele.

So these are some of my sample logs.

To so primeri zapisov.

And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.

Majhni koščki in nekaj stvari lahko vidite tule.

And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.

Seznam sem malo očistil, tako da lahko vidite.

So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --

Tako je očitno, da urad za notranjo varnost rad pride pogledat...

Department of Homeland Security.

urad za notranjo varnost.

You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.

Vidite, da nacionalna varnostna agencija rada pride mimo.

I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.

Pravzaprav sem se preselil v njihovo bližino. Živim v isti ulici.

Central Intelligence Agency.

Centralna obveščevalna agencija (CIA).

Executive Office of the President.

Izvršni urad predsednika.

Not really sure why they show up, but they do.

Ne vem, zakaj prihajajo, a tu so.

I think they kind of like to look at art.

Mislim, da radi gledajo umetnost.

And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.

In vesel sem, da imamo podpornike umetnosti na teh področjih.

So thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Tako da hvala lepa. To spoštujem.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.

Bruno Giussani: Hasan, nekaj me zanima.

You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"

Rekel si: "Zdaj gre vse avtomatsko z mojega iPhona,"

but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.

a v resnici ti posnameš fotografije in objaviš informacije.

So how many hours of the day does that take?

Koliko ur na dan ti to vzame?

HE: Almost none.

HE: Skoraj nič.

It's no different

Nič drugače ni

than sending a text.

kot poslati sporočilo.

It's no different than checking an email.

Nič drugače ni kot preveriti elektronsko pošto.

It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.

To je ena od stvari, čisto dobro nam je šlo, preden smo morali početi kaj od tega.

So it's just become another day.

Zato je postalo nekaj vsakdanjega.

I mean, when we update a status message,

Hočem reči, ko objavimo nov status,

we don't really think about how long that's going to take.

ne razmišljamo o tem, koliko časa nam bo vzelo.

So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,

Gre res samo za to, da parkrat pritisnem na telefon,

send, and then it's done.

pošljem in narejeno je.

And everything's automated at the other end.

Na drugi strani je vse avtomatizirano.

BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?

BG: In ko si nekje, kjer ni omrežja, ali FBI znori?

HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.

HE: Ne, pogledajo zadnjo lokacijo, kjer sem bil.

So it holds onto the very last point.

Vedno vedo za zadnjo lokacijo.

So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,

Če sem na 12-urnem poletu,

you'll see the last airport that I departed from.

boste videli, od kod sem poletel.

BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)

BG: Hasan, najlepša hvala. (HE: Hvala vam.)

(Applause)

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